Full Transcript Introduction to peptides and the Glow Up Stack 0:00 Peptides are chains of amino acids, typically ranging between 2 and 50 amino assets. 0:06 They are chemical messengers, and they direct a particular part of the body to do a particularly task. 0:13 So they're signaling molecules, actually. 0:16 Signaling molecules. 0:18 Peptides, are essentially instruction messangers that tell the to body do stuff. 0:25 That is correct. 0:27 Your health is shaped by more than symptoms. 0:30 Through real stories and expert insights, we explore how your genetics, environment, and daily choices affect your wellbeing. 0:39 We uncover root causes and share practical tools to help you find the healing you need. 0:45 Welcome to the Forum Health Integrative Medicine Podcast. 0:50 Welcome back to the Forum Health Integrative Medicine podcast. 0:54 If you've been hearing the word peptides everywhere lately, from social media to longevity clinics, and wondering whether they're hype or the future of 1:03 regenerative medicine, this episode is for you. 1:06 Today I'm joined by Dr. 1:08 Lenise Lawson, board certified by the American Academy of Anti-Aging and Regenerative We're breaking down the science behind peptide stacking, 1:17 specifically the glow up combination of BPC 157, GHK, CU and TB 500. What they actually do in the body, who they're for and what patients need to know 1:30 before jumping in. 1:31 Let's get started. 1:33 Dr. 1:33 Lawson, thank you so much for joining me. 1:35 I'm so excited to talk about peptides and the Glow Up Stack today. 1:41 How are you doing? 1:43 Doing well, thank you. 1:44 Good, good, well I can't wait to dive in. 1:48 So if you're good let's, are you ready to dove in with me about peptides in the glow up stack? 1:53 I'm ready. 1:54 Let's do it. 1:55 All right, so first I want to start with peptide. 1:59 What are they? 2:00 Can you give me the 30 second elevator pitch on what peptids are? 2:04 Peptides are chains of amino acids, typically ranging between 2 and 50 amino assets. 2:11 They are chemical messengers, and they direct a particular part of the body to do a particularly task. 2:21 So they're signaling molecules, actually. 2:25 Signaling molecules. 2:27 So peptides are essentially instruction messengers that tell the body to do stuff. 2:35 That is correct. 2:36 Perfect. 2:36 Awesome. 2:38 Today we're going to be talking about three peptide combined together that make up this glow up stack. 2:46 and putting all these three peptides together is stacking peptide.
What peptides are and why stacking works 2:51 So stacking peptides, what does that mean and why do people do it? 2:56 So, stacking Peptides means you're using more than one peptid, so you are using different peptids to get a desired effect or outcome. 3:07 For example, with the glow up stack, it is a combination of BPC157, GHKCU, which is a copper tripeptide, and TB500, a fragment of thymus and beta-4. 3:21 So all of them work synergistically together. 3:24 For example, the GH KCU is really good for promoting collagen and elastin production. 3:32 The BPC 157 is more for repair. 3:38 And then the TB 500 has some regenerative properties. 3:42 So the three of them together really work well to improve the integrity and firmness of the scan. 3:50 It helps to reduce fine lines and wrinkles. 3:53 Again, it helps the body, actually, to produce more collagen and elastin. 4:00 So we already make collagen and elastin, but as we age, we don't make as much collagen in elastics. 4:07 So the peptides, particularly the glow-up stack, it tells the body to do that task of making more collagen, and improving the skin integrity. 4:20 Awesome. 4:21 Stacking these three peptide together actually creates more synergy. 4:26 The concept of stacking peptides together is putting peptide that have a specific goal or outcome, putting them together to create more synergy. 4:40 Essentially not one plus one, plus equals three. 4:43 It's more like one-plus-one- plus- one equals 10 or 11 because you get this amplified signaling cascade going on. 4:52 That would be correct. 4:53 That's exactly what they do. 4:55 So for example, now I have used the glow up stack and my primary purpose for using it was to improve my skin. 5:06 But what I found was that I had been having some back pain and I think because of the TB 500 and the BPC 157, my backpain actually improved. 5:19 Yeah, it's a great combination. 5:21 It really is. 5:22 Awesome. 5:22 So the glow up stack, which is made up of three peptides, is the outcome and the goal, kind of what it sounds like, to have a little glow-up, 5:32 right? 5:33 To age gracefully. 5:35 It's not necessarily just about the outward appearance, but it is about regenerative signaling. 5:41 These three peptides send regenerating signals to the entire body. 5:46 The glow up is happening not just outwardly, but regenerating other areas of the body. 5:54 That is correct. 5:57 Very cool. 5:58 So let's break down each of peptides that are in the glow-up stack. 6:04 Let's start with GHKCU. 6:07 What does that peptide do? 6:11 So it's a copper tripeptide and it signals the body to make more collagen and elastin. 6:17 So as we age, women notice that their skin doesn't look as plump and firm as it once did. 6:27 The GHKCU actually has a significant benefit on skin regeneration. 6:36 Okay. 6:36 So yeah, so that one can be used alone or it can used in the stack that we're discussing today. 6:52 is known for collagen stimulation, skin regeneration, hair support, and cellular signaling for repair. 7:00 And some of the benefits that you can see or expect would be visible skin benefits, anti-inflammatory, signaling your body to rebuild healthier tissue,
GHK-Cu for collagen, skin, and hair support 7:15 and you notice that outwardly because of the elastin in the collagen stimulation. 7:20 That is correct. 7:21 And GHKCU has been beneficial for, for example, there's another peptide that people are using and it's the GLP ones and the glp agonist and many people 7:34 who lose weight rapidly will experience significant hair loss. 7:39 So the GHKCU in particular and even combined with that glow stack can even help to improve and and uh the hair lost. 7:50 Very cool. 7:51 Would that also, so with GLP ones, a lot of people who are experiencing rapid weight loss also are starting to see a little bit of like the sunken in face. 8:02 Could GHK see you also help with that? 8:07 Actually, I think probably, maybe a little bit, but probably- But that's more fat loss. 8:12 Yeah, the people are not consuming enough calories, are really consuming not enough protein. 8:17 But yeah, you've got to really maintain your caloric intake and exercise when you're using a GLP agonist. 8:27 That makes sense. 8:30 Second peptide to discuss that's part of this stack is TB500. 8:37 What is it known for? 8:38 TB 500, I said earlier, it's a fragment of thymus and beta 4, and it has a lot of recovery benefits. 8:48 So if, say for example, someone had an extensive shoulder injury, they might have torn a labrum and have significant pain. 8:58 So the TB 500 can really help with recovery. 9:03 So now it also helps to repair. 9:07 But when combined with the BPC 157, you get decrease in inflammation in the tendons, ligaments, and joints, but you better recovery when you add the Tb 500 9:21 to that particular peptide. 9:24 They work in synergy together. 9:28 Right. 9:28 They definitely work synergistically together. 9:31 And depending on the condition, the peptide dosing is not a one-size-fits-all. 9:39 So, for growth stacks, so for example, most of the stacks contain two milligrams of GHKCU and then 500 micrograms of TB500 and 500 of the BPC 157. But 9:56 for someone who has had a significant injury, you can even increase the dose of TB 500 even up to two milligrams. 10:05 So you don't just, if someone had an injury I would say the glow stack would not be appropriate for them. 10:12 We would have to change your dosing and maybe not use that particular stack, but the two, the TB 500 and the BPC 157 definitely work quite well together. 10:26 Wonderful. 10:29 At Forum Health, we uncover the why behind your symptoms. 10:33 With advanced lab testing, hormone optimization, and cutting-edge therapies, We help you heal and perform your best. 10:41 And now, through shopforumhealth.com, you can access physician-grade supplements trusted by our providers, supporting everything from adrenal health to 10:52 focus and longevity. 10:54 Learn more at forumhealth.com and explore supplements at shopforumhealth .com. 11:01 So we were just talking about TB 500, what it is and what the benefits are. 11:08 Do you want to kind of back up just a little bit Dr. 11:11 Lawson and kind start around what is TB500 and can patients expect results wise from taking that? 11:22 So TB500 is a fragment of thymus and beta-4. 11:26 It has a lot of regenerative and recovery benefits. 11:30 So if someone had a significant injury, they would use a larger dose of the TB 500, whereas if it's just being used for skin benefits and having a glow up, 11:43 then you would that in a lower dose. 11:46 As I was saying before, there's not just a one dose fits all.
TB-500 for recovery and tissue repair 11:50 You really have to look at each person's condition and dose them accordingly. 11:56 But, you know, I have a colleague who really injured his shoulder significantly and he had to use the TB 500 and the BPC 157 for about three months, 12:07 but he'd had significant recovery And he used the two at a higher dose. 12:13 So that particular stack would be called the Wolverine stack. 12:17 There are different combinations of peptides that can be used for different conditions. 12:23 Right. 12:24 TB500 is definitely known for its regenerative qualities. 12:29 increasing recovery time. 12:31 And when you look at it in the glow stack, depending on what goal or outcome you're looking for, you might have a lower dose of the TB 500, but TB500 can 12:42 be used for a lot more than just the Glow Up Stack and it works very well synergistically with BPC. 12:50 excuse me, BPC 157. So at higher doses, you're looking at more injury recovery, things like that in the glow up stack for the TB 500. You're more looking 13:01 for overall regeneration of the tissues and supporting the cellular processes of Right, skin rejuvenation. 13:10 Now, I tell people it's not going to be, you're not gonna get the results that you would get with a baselift, but it does definitely improve the clarity 13:22 of the skin. 13:22 Skin texture, firmness, having a little bit like more useful glow to the Right. 13:34 Beautiful. 13:36 But again, you know, they don't work by themselves. 13:40 You know you have to have a good diet. 13:42 you've got to use good skin care. 13:44 So it's just a part of the regimen to Yeah, that TB 500 works really synergistically with BPC 157, which is the third peptide of this glow up stack. 14:03 So Bpc 15 7, what is that peptides and what does it do in the body? 14:10 So BPC-157 is made up of a gastric protein. 14:17 So not only does it have some benefits of decreasing inflammation, in the skin, it also helps to heal the gut. 14:30 So not only do I use it for people who are doing the glow up stack, if I have someone with ulcerative colitis or Crohn's disease, 14:39 I will use the BPC 157 in that patient as well. 14:44 Again, you use them for different purposes and different conditions, and the way you used them depends on what you combine with them, 14:53 which other peptide you combined. 14:55 BPC-157, I've seen being used as a very popular peptide for gut health and gut healing. 15:05 And that makes sense in the glow up peptides stack because I think a lot of times as integrative and regenerative practitioners, 15:13 your skin is a reflection of your inside, right? 15:18 So it makes sense, BPC-157 being part of the glow up sack, not just because it's the body protection compound and systemically, 15:27 it is just helping your whole body with repair signaling and things like that, but it also a really great peptide for GI conditions. 15:36 And again, Glow up peptide is kind of sounds like more of like a vein vanity type of a peptides stack. 15:44 But when you look at the peptids in the glow up stack, yes, you're getting more elastin collagen in this nice outward appearance and this glow. 15:55 but a lot of this has to do with like just. 15:58 healing and providing regenerative signals to the body and the end result is a really nice outward complexion and you feel really good about how you look. 16:12 Yeah, I think that that's a really important thing to understand is that when people look great because their skin and their hair are looking really good, 16:20 they have to have a certain amount of internal microbiological and cellular health in order to achieve that, right? 16:30 I wouldn't say that I use TB 500 primarily for looking good. 16:36 I used it for repair, right? 16:38 Like Dr. 16:38 Lawson was saying about this friend of hers that used for several months at a higher dose. 16:43 That doesn't mean it doesn' work for that. 16:44 It works great. 16:45 Like you're going to look great because your body's repairing a little better. 16:48 And if you're generally healthy, I think a glow stack, you gonna get really impressive results because you generally are healthy. 16:55 If you are injured, your gonna use that glowstack. 16:58 It's gonna help you repair. 16:59 You might not glow quite as quick because your gotta get all the repair done first before you start to really glow. 17:04 And I love BPC 157. I had a guy I gave it to. 17:10 A week ago, he had pulled his hamstring, an older guy. 17:14 He was going on a trip, I think to Germany or something. 17:19 We just injected in the three places where it hurt the most. 17:22 And he actually contacted me immediately.
BPC-157 for gut healing and inflammation 17:28 I did it on Friday. 17:28 On Monday, this stuff is the best ever. 17:31 Where do I get more? 17:33 That fast. 17:34 So, you know, it's a great recommended for a guy who had not been able to work out. 17:41 He had low back pain. 17:43 I don't remember exactly what the injury was and he was doing physical therapy. 17:48 And I said to him, why don't you try the Wolverine stack with the combination of the TB 500 and the BPC 157? And, I spoke to them earlier in the week and 17:58 he said, my back is completely normal. 18:01 I'm able to get back in to gym. 18:03 He said this is amazing. 18:04 And he was very happy. 18:05 It maybe took about two to three months, so it wasn't immediate. 18:09 because he had significant pain, but it really is amazing. 18:13 And I'm a believer because now I use the Glow Up Stack because when I look at myself on Zoom all day long, you get to look up your skin and I thought, 18:24 okay, well look. 18:26 But you look amazing, Lenise. 18:28 Oh, thank you, because of the glow up. 18:32 But I had been experiencing back pain for about a year and, you know, I was taking my loxacam, getting tight massages and trying to stretch and nothing 18:44 really worked. 18:45 I mean, still had significant pain. 18:48 And after about 30 days of using the glow-up stack, I noticed that I really didn't have any pain anymore. 18:54 So I'm not using glow up stack currently. 18:58 I am just using BPC 157 and TB 500. But I cannot believe how much better I feel. 19:06 So I started using thymus and beta-4 primarily for patients that had chronic illness. 19:14 And that's because it lowers pro-inflammatory cytokines, right? 19:18 It lowers interleukin-1-beta, it lower TNF-alpha, and it then lowers Interleucin 6. Those are all sorts of things that will be high when people have chronic 19:28 fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia. 19:33 But that's also part of why it is giving you anti-inflammatory repair signaling, right? 19:38 So that the beauty of this is it can be used for longevity, but it could also be use for chronic illness recovery. 19:46 And people are like, well, those are two opposite things. 19:48 No, actually those were the same exact pathway. 19:50 We're talking about the, you know, these, immune cascades that happen and either they keep us sick because we get stuck in that pathway or you need to 20:01 reduce that acutely so that we can then recover and repair. 20:03 So, You know I have to look at myself after being recorded for the podcast and all that stuff and I use different peptides for different reasons and one 20:18 Setting up the expectation for when to start noticing these results is one thing that I wanted to jump into, but it's the inflammation markers that when 20:28 you start seeing those lower and lower your body starts to become less puffy and puff and I actually noticed a relationship between my outward glow up 20:42 and my inflammatory markers. 20:44 So I was watching my HSCRP markers and I watching the inflammation continue to go down, down using the BPC157 and even the GLP ones. 20:55 I do microdosing of that to help with lowering inflammation. 21:00 And I can notice the glow up in my face, the decrease in the puffiness, brightness, and even just like the more energy that I feel, 21:09 the less pain, if the lesson brain fog and fatigue, like those are all also markers of longevity and regeneration, which I think is more of the core of 21:19 what the glow up stack is. 21:20 It's not necessarily just this outward look it's decreasing inflammation and giving the body these repair signals. 21:27 Like that's the Glow Up and you get to look nice at the same time. 21:32 Right. 21:33 It's interesting that you said that. 21:34 You brought up that point about the cardio CRP being elevated. 21:38 So I saw a patient today and her cardio crp was 8.4 and she said it had been elevated for many years. 21:47 Now she had had some mold exposures and I checked her melanocytes stimulating hormone level and it was less than 8 and should be at 35 or above. 21:57 And she had some gut issues as well. 22:00 So I told her that she should probably add the KPV to that stack because that's a three amino acid fragment of melanocyte stimulating hormone. 22:14 And when your stimulating hormones is low, then you are going to have more inflammation, so the KPV actually even enhances the decrease, 22:26 well, enhances decreasing inflammation. 22:31 So I had to, I thought about doing the glow up, and then I said, Well, okay, let's do the KPV and the BPC-157. 22:40 Now the good thing about Bpc- 157 is if somebody really is anti-injection, it does come in an oral capsule. 22:49 So I did a combination of the BPC 157 and the KPV and a capsule for her. 22:56 And then I also, because she also had a lot of back pain and knee pain, so we're going to do the TB 500 in a much higher dose. 23:06 We're gonna do, rather than doing the 500 micrograms, which is what's normally given in that glow stack, we are going double that dose and give her a milligram 23:17 per day of TB 500. Sounds like you kind of personalized somebody else's glow stack. 23:26 So commercially, we know that the glow-stack is these three peptides, but it sounds like, you're able to kind-of personalize a glow, 23:34 stack up to each patient and swap out one peptide for the other based on the patient's needs for their glow up stack? 23:44 Right. 23:45 So that's another good reason why having a doctor be involved in this is a good idea because Dr. 23:52 Lawson is able to check what somebody's melanocytes stimulating hormone is and then give them the right, the ideal peptide rather than just probably work peptides. 24:01 Right. 24:02 And I told her the glow stack would probably work nicely and she would get some benefit from it. 24:09 She said, well, what's going to decrease my inflammation the most? 24:12 She asked, is there enough BPC-157 and TB-500 in that stack to really lower my information?
Personalizing peptide stacks and setting expectations 24:20 I said there was not. 24:22 So she said I don't really care how I look right now. 24:26 I just want to feel better. 24:29 It's nice to understand what the benefits of each peptide are and not just blanketly, you know, prescribe the same regimen for everybody. 24:41 You really need to personalize that regimens for the person. 24:46 One person's glow up might be outwardly another person's glow up might be working on the inside and their energy and the hormones. 24:54 So first you have to understand what does your glow-up look like. 25:00 And then it sounds like you've had to find the right practitioner to. 25:04 Understand how all these peptides work together. 25:06 You want to put peptide that works synergistically together because not all peptids do work synergetically together and then match that to the patient's 25:17 outcomes and needs. 25:18 Correct. 25:19 Right. 25:20 So I'm excited for this patient. 25:22 I think within the next two, maybe two to three months, she will have significant improvements. 25:29 It's just another tool in the box, but you have to always get to the root cause of what that person's illness really is triggered by. 25:39 Yeah. 25:41 I wanted to, we kind of touched on this a little bit, setting up expectations for patients who are on peptides or who're going to be engaging in a peptide journey. 25:51 So I've seen people being frustrated with peptids because they saw a peptide, decided to try it out. 26:03 They tried it for a month or so, didn't see the results that they wanted too, and so now they've written that off. 26:10 So when you're talking or prescribing peptides to patients, how do you set them up for success? 26:18 Well, for example, if they just want more aesthetic benefits from the Glow Up Stack, I tell them that they will probably notice some differences in four 26:30 to six weeks. 26:32 But I also steer them to be on the right skincare regimen and not just use Dove. 26:38 So you have to really As you age, you really have to do everything. 26:44 You have the lifestyle. 26:46 It's not just about providing the peptides, it's really looking at the whole picture. 26:53 Exactly. 26:54 But the peptides definitely have been amazing. 26:58 I've seen amazing results with them. 27:00 So yeah, I'm happy that we're able to use them and that some of them have come off of the do not compound list. 27:09 Yeah, that is so exciting. 27:11 Right. 27:11 It is exciting and another thing that, you know, people might be experiencing when they're not getting the results that they want or thought they were 27:22 going to achieve with doing the peptides, it could have been where they resourced. 27:29 So a lot of people will buy them online from a research-only facility, and you don't really know what's in that vial. 27:40 You don't know what kind of contaminants are there. 27:43 You do not know if the actual raw ingredient is what they say it is. 27:48 So they have to be sourced properly as well. 27:53 When you're talking to patients and setting up their expectations, first you look at what's going on in their lifestyle, 27:59 not just prescribing peptides. 28:01 you have understand the whole story to make sure that if you want Goal X, peptides are the instructions to your body to get there. 28:12 Let's look at what kind of signal, other signals and ingredients you're giving your. 28:16 So skincare, are you putting on toxic hormone disrupting skincare? 28:21 That's not going to benefit your journey. 28:24 Also, even your food and your intake, these are messengers and you're body needs the appropriate ingredients and fuel in order to do something with those messages. 28:34 And so there is more to getting the results that you want leveraging peptides. 28:40 You have to have all these other steps in place. 28:43 Um, and then the next thing you had mentioned is making sure you have the right quality and sourcing for the peptide. 28:51 Correct. 28:53 Awesome. 28:54 I love that. 28:56 If you guys could add one other peptide to the stack. 29:00 So we've got the GHKCU, the BPC157, The TB500. 29:07 We did talk a little bit about the KPV peptides. 29:12 if there was another peptid you could to add to this stack, what would it be? 29:16 I do like the CJC1295 and ipomerelin because that helps to improve lean body mass. 29:23 It helps people to lose body fat. 29:27 And it has a lot of anti-inflammatory and regenerative properties as well. 29:32 Now, it gets expensive if you do everything, but the combination of Now, I think probably the best combination would be the KPV, 29:43 the BXP 157, TB 500 and GHKCU. 29:48 And then the CJC 1295 and Ipamerelin is a good addition to that stack. 29:55 Roger Lawson, you versus the, uh, CJ C Ippamarelin versus Tessamorelin. 30:01 Do you, what do you see in your experience between those two? 30:05 Anything different? 30:07 The Tessamerelin is more effective. 30:11 You know, that's what I'm using right now. 30:14 So I do like that. 30:16 And, you know I talked to one of the reps from the pharmacies that I use and he says people are really getting amazing results with the Tessa morellin. 30:27 It's definitely a good addition as well. 30:30 But you don't necessarily see that one is superior to the other, or do you? 30:38 Yeah, we haven't seen that personally at this point, because the test of morelin is much more expensive than the CJC-1295 and ipamorelin. 30:48 So I definitely see more patients on that, the Cjc- 1295. I see. 30:54 Maybe it is more effective. 30:55 It's a question of is it, you know, cost effective compared to it. 31:00 It is more expensive. 31:01 Yeah, the one that I would say I like that. 31:04 I. 31:04 Would add maybe this is cause I'm an old man, but the C max and C like for brain health. 31:10 Oh, I love those. 31:15 I'm probably more worried about becoming forgetful than ugly. 31:21 Yes, I am on the C-max right now. 31:23 And you want to know what, i'm a big fan of cycling my peptides. 31:27 So I like, you don't, a lot of the peptide protocols are like four to six weeks and then you take a break, but you're always taking breaks and cycling
Lifestyle, sourcing, and cycling peptides 31:39 with a of these peptidde protocols. 31:42 I just did a round of, cause To your point, Dr. 31:45 Peterson, I am brain health and that is an important part of aging to me. 31:51 Right now, my family has a history of Alzheimer's, so I like to be very proactive in that area. 31:57 So I just did a round of cerebral lysine and then my next peptide, instead of going right back to cerebral lysine, right now I'm doing a around of CMAX. 32:08 the next one that I'm gonna do. 32:09 And so I just don't feel like I need to do everything all at once. 32:13 But I do know that, I want to consistently support those different areas in my body. 32:20 So I cycle different peptides to support the different area that's I am concerned about as I age. 32:28 That's how I my glow up. 32:30 Yeah, and that makes sense to me. 32:32 I don't think we have enough data to say that that's the best way, but it makes the most sense we should be moving towards to saying, 32:41 look, yeah, you could use BPC-157, TB-500 and GHK-CU continuously for the next three years, that's fine. 32:50 But if you can't afford to do everything all the time, then give your brain a little boost, and give you growth hormone a boost and then your immune system 32:59 a bit boost. 33:00 You can cycle through these things and I think get a lot of benefit rather than focus on only one part of your body because otherwise we end up seeming 33:09 a You're, you know, I, the way we fractured healthcare into ologists, i'm a cardiologist or a nephrologist or gastroenterologist. 33:17 It's silly. 33:18 I've only got one body, right? 33:19 You need to pay attention to all those things. 33:22 And so I think the idea of saying, Hey, did this for a month, maybe two, three months, and then I'm going to switch. 33:31 And a lot of the recommendations, you know, they're, there are no standardized recommendations. 33:36 But what a of experts say is that. 33:39 So for example, with the glow up, sometimes they'll say, I've read that you use it for two months on, and then maybe take a month off, 33:46 so you cycle these things. 33:48 You, focus on one area first. 33:52 And then when you cycled off of it, then you add in another peptide that addresses some of other areas of concern. 34:01 And just again, you get the best of both worlds when you are able to use everything that addresses all of your concerns. 34:12 And personally, I can feel it. 34:14 There's a peptide, a sublingual peptides blend that maybe you've heard of, Dr. 34:18 Lawson, what's it called, BioPro. 34:22 And I'll use Bio Pro for two months in a row, and then I take six months or two month off. 34:28 I could tell when I'm like, ooh, it's going down, might need to get another box of Let's start again. 34:34 I think it's the same thing with these other peptides of, you know, I'm using this. 34:39 The only one that I don't feel a difference in is the growth hormone, the CJC epimoral line. 34:48 Maybe it is because I am not, my weight is fine, and I not trying to lose weight, but I just don' t notice it. 34:55 But I notice the other ones and that doesn't mean that i don t use it, i still use because i figure well i need growth hormones, 35:00 need to repair sometimes. 35:03 And maybe your IGF level was good to start, and so you didn't get a lot of benefits. 35:09 You're just supporting the body. 35:10 I think, too, with peptides like CJC and epimoralin, if your goal and your outcome is to increase your muscle mass or if you have specific body composition goals, 35:24 I think one of the biggest things that you to do with your patients or just as a person using peptides is track your goals. 35:31 Like you should be hopping on an in-body once a month. 35:34 You should making sure that your getting a high intake of protein. 35:39 Your should make sure you're doing muscle resistance and things are promoting and adding to the peptide because I wanted to bust this myth before we ended. 35:50 Myth or truth, peptides replace healthy habits. 35:55 Absolutely a myth. 35:57 Definitely a myth. 35:59 If you're smoking and drinking alcohol and eating your processed foods, you might have to waste your money on the peptides. 36:08 You really need to be committed to doing everything. 36:11 I mean, nobody's going to get all of the time, but you need be pretty consistent about your lifestyle and living a healthy lifestyle about 80 to 90% of time. 36:24 Exactly. 36:27 Mandy, you could think about it like building a house. 36:30 If I have twice as many framers, plumbers, and HVAC guys show up, but they don't have any two by fours or pipe or wire, they're not getting more work done. 36:40 Right. 36:40 And so peptides you take, if you don' have the basic building blocks and your autonomic nervous system is not in a state where it can say, 36:49 let's repair, it's not going to work. 36:51 if I'm in fight or flight state, my autonomal nervous systems says, Hey, we got to escape from the tiger. 36:56 Well, it won't help me that much that I took Tessamoralin. 37:00 It'd be a good time to take BPC 157 and calm down the fear, right? 37:05 And that's why you want to see a doctor to help you do this. 37:08 Cause if you're taking a peptide without doing all those other steps, they're just really expensive. 37:16 And that was my myth or truth. 37:18 Peptides replace healthy habits. 37:21 Absolutely not. 37:22 It is 100% false. 37:24 it is a myth. 37:25 And people should be, if you are taking a peptide, what is your goal? 37:31 You need to ask yourself, What is the outcome you were looking for with this peptides? 37:35 And you should tracking it. 37:38 When you're taking that peptid, CJC and ipamoralin is really great example. 37:42 If you looking to goal, increase your muscle mass because that is a recomposition body type of a peptide. 37:51 You need to make sure that you're following the lifestyle to support the peptides and the outcome that your going for. 37:58 Peptides are the messengers, you still have to have the right tools and ingredients in the body for those messages to happen action and result at the end 38:07 of the day. 38:07 Yeah, I agree, 100%. Well, this was such a powerful conversation. 38:13 Thank you guys so much. 38:15 My big takeaways are one, I learned so about the glow up stack and GHKCU, TB 500, BPC 157, but also just the overall concept of stacking and what the Glow 38:29 Up Stack means in general is you're looking to have a glow-up. 38:34 And if you are looking for a Glowe Up, it doesn't have to be just these three. 38:39 But working with a practitioner can really one, customize the peptide stack to your outcome and goals and make sure that those peptides work synergistically together. 38:49 So you are maximizing your. 38:52 Absolutely. 38:54 I love it. 38:57 You should let me join. 38:58 Uh, I really appreciate Dr. 39:01 Lawson, your expertise on this. 39:03 Um, it's really, It's great for the organization. 39:05 And I know it was great. 39:06 For your patients. 39:07 Yeah. 39:08 I'm really happy that we have that in our toolbox. 39:11 It makes a huge difference because, you know, again, I've heard, had two people say to me, oh my goodness, that these peptides, 39:21 well, particularly the BPC 157 and the TB 500 have changed my life. 39:27 So that's, it's good to hear. 39:29 You always hear the negative, but it'd nice to here something positive. 39:33 Yep. 39:34 Amen. 39:34 Absolutely. 39:35 Well, you can find practitioners like Dr. 39:37 Lawson and Dr Peterson on our website at formhealth.com. 39:41 Thank you so much for listening and stay tuned for next week's episode. 39:47 If you liked this, don't forget to like, comment, and share with somebody who can benefit from this podcast also. 39:53 Thanks so Thank you for joining us on the Forum Health Integrative Medicine podcast. 40:03 Each episode, we help you understand your health from every angle and inspire your lifelong wellness journey. 40:10 Follow the show, share it with someone who needs hope, leave a review, and take the next step toward feeling your best at forumhealth.com.
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