The Most Egregious Treatment For Hypothyroidism

Hi everyone, welcome back to DrTalks. I’m Dr. Kelly Halderman your host on our series on thyroid health and we have very special guests today, my friend and colleague Dr. Dr. Jay Goodbinder. Welcome Dr. Goodbinder. 

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

Thank you so much for having me. I’m super excited to be here.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Yes and thank you for taking the time. I know you’re at a very very large conference right now, one of the best functional medicine conferences that I know of and I know you’re very busy in, your staff’s very busy so I appreciate you sitting down because really I think of functional medicine, you know my go to doctors and you’re definitely one of them. You know every time we see sit down you drop information and I heard you’re going to drop some information today about the thyroid, about health in general because we are really sick. I mean we are living in a very very tumultuous time right now. People need our help. So why don’t you start off with telling us how you got into functional medicine?

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

I mean I think I got the function medicine pretty much in a similar fashion to I think most doctors which is I’m disgruntled with the process that I’ve gone through so I want to fix it in my case. Um you know I didn’t really see any hope for me because I was disabled. I had psoriatic arthritis that my hands were swollen up like basketballs had scabs and scales all over my skin. Um I mean I look in the mirror, like a disgusting human being I felt like at the time and I’m just like, you know what, what does life have for me and the doctor saying, I’m sorry, you’re unlucky, it’s genetic, you learn how to live with it. Um and that wasn’t good enough for me. And so um you know, I’m like, we’ll never get married, I’ll never have kids on the real play ball with my kids if I did, because I can’t use my hands, I’m literally disabled. They’re saying sorry, this is forever, enjoy your steroids, enjoy your biologics. So I became a doctor to fix myself and while I was on six medications that they just 23, um I’m on no medications anymore. I feel amazing. Jump out of bed like a line to serve my purpose every single day.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

And your hands look like not like basketballs, look at those, those look like normal hands. Yeah, I think that a lot of us in functional medicine, we share that we share that we were giving not a lot of hope and um be sorry, you know, it’s just gonna be the life that you’re going to live. And you know, we’re like, no, that’s that’s not, we’re not gonna stop with that and then we bring this gift that we learn to heal our so, and so we keep going with it, we keep learning because again we can be the empathic person who’s not only been the patient, you know now you get to be a doctor and educate, so I appreciate every doctor that I think that is on their a game that’s doing the best work our doctors like you would with the story you have and we have that similar story. And so I do see, you know, a lot of um I see a lot of great reviews and I know personally a couple of people um really really been very lucky to see you and to come down to your clinic will get into your clinic later because I mean there’s no better place in the midwest, you know, I mean like that’s the clinic to go to um you know, when I was asking you for some questions that we could discuss about thyroid, how Dr. Goodbinder you are. Funny. Um one of your questions said uh let’s discuss the most egregious treatment I see in medicine and I mean there are a lot that we could go into but we’re going to talk about, you know, thyroid health go into that for us.

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

I think that in medicine it’s a lot of symptomatic attacks, like you have this, you have that, so give you a symptomatic attack. But a lot of the time what happens within medicine is the way we’re attacking a symptom is more making the problem more permanent, like we’re gonna make your problem worse, but you won’t feel it. So then the next symptom comes up, we’ll give you another drug, it’s called a continuity model of care. But we talk about egregious treatments. You know, one of the things that we know about thyroid issues is if your thyroid is low, a lot of things go wrong in the body and you may see cholesterol levels go up a lot. And so just because your cholesterol is up, doesn’t mean you’re gonna have a heart attack, doesn’t mean you have heart disease. It’s not really well correlated. But I’ll see a patient come into my office and they had high cholesterol and the doctor took a TSH thyroid stimulating hormone, which is really a pituitary hormone. It’s not even a thyroid hormone. And they’ll go, hey, your TSH s finals is great. 

You know what? Your cholesterol, Let’s get on a statin drug. Can you go, you got on a statin drug when your cardiac risk ratio was great. Anyways, um but anyways, you understand drugs, your cluster was a little bit high and all they did was test your TSH. So we test the fire and you go, wow, your most active form of thyroid, all your thyroid hormones are super low. They literally are treating you for a cholesterol that went up because your thyroid is low and didn’t even touch your thyroid. So yeah, you’re tired, you can’t sleep, you have anxiety, you have osteoporosis, you have all these other issues now, but at least they’re lowering your cholesterol, which is gonna make you not think as well have more pains. You’re not going to hell at the cellular level, You’re not gonna make your hormones right? They’ve ruined everything. But at least you feel bad, You know, that’s egregious.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Yeah, that Dr. Eric Balcavage and I in our book, the thyroid debacle, we call that whack a mole medicine, right? Where you just are literally, symptoms are popping up and you’re just like, hammering them down and you’re not fixing anything, right? You’re really not fixing the physiology. And that’s where I don’t know about you, but I loved biochemistry and physiology in undergrad and medical school. Absolutely loved it. And then I felt like we just threw that out. Like we just threw out our detective skills, we throughout our knowledge of pathways and how, you know, you do one thing and it’s going to affect another and we just continue to use drugs and medication to again, like cover up symptoms that made things worse, right? And like you said, countless people are going to their doctor and tell me if you agree with this or not, they’re going in, they have all this signs of hypothyroidism. Like you said, maybe an elevation in cholesterol, maybe some blood sugar dysregulation, starting to pop up, but your TSH is fine. I mean, their hair could be falling out dry skin gaining weight, but they’re not taken seriously and I feel like I too was really one of those people even having a white coat on and literally looking at my car colleagues and saying, I realized my TSH is find you guys. But is there anything else that we can check and not, not, not even knowing at that point what a full thyroid panel looks like. So first of all, do you agree with that exhortation that we’re missing? A lot of, a lot of by definition cellular hypothyroidism, we’re not using the right labs and then kind of talk about what you do in your practice.

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

Yeah, 100%. We’re missing everyone. No one does enough labs and no one, no one has the time to in the tip in the typical McDonald’s of medicine. Hey, I use insurance model. Hey, you know, they’ll pay me this much for 50 for 10 minutes with a patient. That’s what I’ll do. They’ll pay for this lab, that’s what I’ll do and they pay for this prescription. That’s what I’ll do. Insurance makes more money if you’re sick than if you’re healthy. So the whole system is broken anyways and if you are using your insurance and the doctor specifically, um, they count on insurance for your payment, you are getting the bottom rung McDonald’s of medicine and it’s crazy to me. So you know when you, when you look at things like you mentioned blood sugars mean things self proliferate, you know with high blood sugars a lot of time, your growth hormone goes up as well in growth hormone is the opposite of something called T three. Like when growth hormone goes up, T three goes down, you know that, by the way, that’s really interesting actually. I thought that was really cool gym. 

But you know, my clinic, the goal is, you do literally the most in depth. You do the most expansive lab testing. So you get it right the first time and the patients like, well, we’re doing a lot. Yeah, we are. How would you like to not suffer in the shortest amount of time? Like in the shortest amount of time we can get you better. How about that? Instead of, let’s, let’s just one off some tests here and there and then, like three or four years, then we’ll talk about maybe you feel a little better. That’s a terrible approach. Just gonna listen, bite the bullet shotgun, let’s get it all done. And maybe in 68 months you’re off all your meds and you feel great. Yeah, we keep stats at our clinic and we’re a little under 98.2% of our patients getting at least 80% of symptoms resolved within eight months, which is extraordinary. It’s amazing. Now. It’s still that 1.8% of patients that’s not, I still feel terrible about don’t get me wrong, but it’s amazing when you actually do everything, you gotta listen. It’s gonna be on you anyways. I’m gonna show you exactly why this is happening exactly how to fix it. You’re gonna have to do it though. That’s the catch 22. It sounds too good to be true. Well no not exactly you still have to do it you know but you know things are missed because they don’t do everything and so inevitably they treat something that doesn’t exist or that really isn’t the root cause and it makes everything else worse. Um I think it’s really interesting you know sugars go up, growth hormones up T. Three goes down. T. Three T four Goes to the liver to convert to T. three. And I know you’re aware of all this it converts to T. Three by by this big enzyme. This big scary word called five prime D. Iohannis. 

And if one. So what is when when your stress level goes up, when cortisol goes up what happens to sugar Sugar goes up there directly related. So as your sugars going up sure enough T three goes down because you’re converting instead of under lots of stress that big fancy word. Five prime diabetes. Five prime diabetes. Under high stress cortisol that’ll turn over to five G. IOT. There’s no more prime. So instead of turning T. Four and T. Three when you turn it into reverse T. Three which now we’re going to block your thigh and you’re gonna have less convert inside of your gut tissue. So is it important to get testing on Hey you got gut infections? You have bacterial dysbiosis. You have CFO fungal overgrowth. All those things are gonna make your liver enzymes worse anyways liver is going to be focused on that now. You can’t convert to your liver anyways. Oh and you can’t convert into your gut to the most active form free T. Three of thyroid. You have to know all those things that if you miss anything you miss everything because then you get discouraged. I’ve worked on this for a year now and nothing is getting better. Nothing but my doctor must be right. I should just be on medication the rest of my life and maybe yeah my hair is still falling out. Maybe I have no libido. No sex drive. I can’t sleep. I got anxiety. It’s all these things just mount and then they quit. You give up because no one did it right in the first place. And I think that’s what will separate from a lot of clinics which is we’re going to do it all right initially and we’ll give you the answers and we’ll try to support you as you change.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Yeah I really like that approach and it is shocking when one goes from a traditional al empathic approach where it’s a 15 minute visit of an application of oh no you’re fine. You know, do you need another medication for your anxiety or do you need another medication and you’re right there’s just so little blood work that’s drawn and done and I really hate to say it because I do have an M. D. F. My name but I just don’t think the al empathic doctors are trained to even understand the full panels unfortunately. And so I don’t practice traditional medicine any more and more of an educator. But I was in that way, quote, I understood what I was taught. Doctors are great people. But yes, like that Mcdonald’s of medicine is much as like it’s funny. It’s true, it’s absolutely true. And so that’s why Dr. Eric and I wrote that book and that’s why I like I love having you on this on this podcast because you’re a functional medicine study and like you get it and you’re applying it and yet it is a little bit of a shock, I’m sure for people to come in and have to do these labs. But again it’s not really have to get to, they actually get to know what’s going on in their body, they get to have someone who knows what to do about it, right? It’s one thing to, you know, I know, you know those doctors where they draw all kinds of labs and they have pages and they don’t know what they have no idea. They just they have absolutely no idea right.

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

It’s consistent thing. Like people will bring me, I’ve been to three functional doctors before naturopath. I’ve been to six endocrinologists. I’ve been before primary care. And I’m like, well, let me see the labs and I’m like, well, did they tell you this and this? And it’s like, well, no, they never said that and they didn’t even break this down. I don’t even know why I got this lab. And I’m like, how are they drawing these things? That’s right. You know, what are you doing?

Dr. Kelly Halderman

What are you doing? They’re wasting a lot of money. And that’s why it’s like maybe even some of the people who come out of the ala path models started to pay for care and understand you might have to pay for care if you want better care going to the wrong practitioner who draws all these labs. But then again, I cannot interpret them. I mean, that’s why again, it’s like we spent a lot of time and money, postdoc, post doctorate learning, all these other educational pieces that continue to come out. I mean, the new England Journal Medicine says that we’re 17 years behind in translating the strong clinical studies into clinical practice. And so I really tried to be that the translationist the person who really helps translate that into help people today. And I feel like you’re literally doing that every day in your clinic, you’re taking that education that you have gone above and beyond. And I think that we as practitioners, we deserve a little bit of recognition and not to toot our own horn, but it takes a lot of work to know what we know to have to write a book on thyroid. You’ve written books, you’ve been on, CNN you’ve been, I mean, so many things that you’ve done, um it takes a really skilled practitioner to be able to suss out what is abnormal and doctor, he puts it really nicely and I’ll show you agree. It’s like your labs what’s abnormal. 

But normal because like, like if you’re walking around eating jelly donuts all day, Mcdonald’s, if your blood sugar is abnormal, that’s appropriate, right? So that’s appropriate. You have a normal, so you have a normal lab, but you’re walking around eating jelly donuts and you’re inactive and you’re stressed out and your labs are normal. That’s inappropriate. You know? So people say to me like, oh look, you know, my fasting blood sugar is 99. Like, I’m good, I’m super good and I’m like, no, no, you’re you’re about to fall off the cliff, right? You are literally approaching the cliff and you’re going to fall off of it. So I’m sure a lot of your patients when they come in, they’ve probably been told these lies these, I mean, not lies, I guess, you know, a person who was interpreted didn’t understand that, But do you see that, Do you see where people have been even told with with the ranges that we have for some labs that know, you’re doing fine sally jo or you’re doing fine mike like these labs are good. And tell me about like how you look at those and what is your kind of plan of action for these people?

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

So one, 100% agree about the model where these doctors don’t even know what to do with things like you know four times you’re actually I have a weekend out in Florida where I train a whole bunch of doctors for 24 hours on how to read labs, how to communicate what they mean to patients so that patients are confused and um read labs, communicate and really treat appropriately. So it’s not overwhelming to people how to support people. It’s it’s a lost art on how to support when people are making changes the big deal. Um with that being said with regards to uh labs and things of that nature and treatment. What was your question I forgot.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Yeah. So I was thinking like I know I kind of took us down a rabbit hole with the whole, you know functional medicine versus medicine but you know I’m thinking about the people who come in and and you know they know that they’re not feeling well, they know that their their care is not working but they’re convinced that oh you know um my blood sugar, my fasting blood sugar is I’m not prediabetic or I’m not you know like is it to the lab speak for themselves because you’re so eloquent about determining. Are you able to just articulate a way for them to understand like, hey, we need to make some changes. You know, like you said, a lot of this is your coach to, well you’re, you’re really getting into the, the psychology of change. And so I have used to have a lot of people who come in and, and they were just in denial. So that’s kind of want to, I want to, do you have any tricks on how to or tips on how to kind of convert people into more of understanding? Is it, is it teaching? Is it just teaching, you know them what’s going on? I mean, it really, it’s, it’s way simpler than a lot of people make it. 

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

Hey, first off on the labs, hey, I’m within range. Hey, you know, my, my doctor said, you know, I’m a little low on white blood cells, but I’m still in normal range. I’m OK, well, you know, one, I have to explain 95% of people fit with a healthy 5% are outliers and they’re considered sick. It’s a bell curve is how they create a lab range and we know that about 50% of our entire population has at least one chronic disease. So yeah, you can be sick. Like everybody else. Congratulations. Yeah, it’s fine. You’re sick, but everyone else’s too, just like everyone else? Um, so that’s really not okay. It’s not a really okay process to deal with? But yeah, it’s, it’s just explaining you go, hey, they said everything is normal. Do you feel okay? Do you feel great? Because I don’t believe everybody in this world is meant to be sick for the rest of their life. I think you have a purpose and I think you need to fulfill that purpose. And I think that if you feel bad every day, the chances of you fulfilling that purpose, our minimum minimal. 

You know, I’m not joking when I say, I feel great every morning, I get up and I’m like, okay, what do I get to do? I get to see my patients, I’m in my office by five in the morning every day because I get to read charts for 2.5 hours before my staff gets there. So I don’t have to interact with anyone. All I do is break down the labs and figure out how to fix people and it’s so much fun. And then I always tell him, right, listen, I can do all these great things. I’m very proud of all this stuff. I’m not trying to be modest, but I’m really proud of everything I do, it is up to you to implement and I want you to get better because I only feel good when you get better and they’re like, hey, so how long do I have to do this? Like how long you have to do this lifestyle thing like two months, three months, how long is it gonna take you? Well, it may take two or three months to feel better and to get you in a good place. But the goal is to help you feel great the rest of your life and live indulgently, but anti inflammatory, live like a human being. I want you to eat real food and things like that and it can still be indulgent, you don’t have to suffer. But once we get you in that place you’ll be just fine. And I got it. I get it.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

That’s awesome. Yeah, that’s a lot of support for them. A lot of reality and a lot of hope. I think some practitioners, they are very, very strict and they don’t really ever use the word indulge. And I think that’s important. You know, we’re humans right. We really, we don’t want to have everything taken away from us and feel even more depressed than like than, than our society is. So that’s cool. That’s very good. Thanks for, for really, you know, laying that out. And so then now I want to ask you specifically when you have thyroid patients, let’s just say someone’s coming in and they’ve been diagnosed with Hashimoto’s like, where do you start? What do you do?

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

Well, first, I mean, so I would sit down with patient. I do this consistently. We’re very, very busy practice. Um, but I’ll sit down with patients and I just talked to him. I’ll set aside an hour and I go all right I’m gonna ask you a million questions I’m gonna have you fill out more paperwork than you’ve ever filled out for anyone any doctor in your entire life. I promise you it’s gonna take at least an hour if you really focus on I’m gonna go over that in depth before you even sit down with me. Then we have a hashi motivation coming we’ll say hashimoto’s because we’ll see people from M. S. To rheumatoid arthritis colitis to crones disease to diabetes. But thyroid to me at this point is so amazing. It’s so empowering because it’s one of the worst treated conditions in the world. Just traditional medical models awful on it. And uh so I sit down and I’ll ask questions. I’ll find out about their microbiome or the gut bacteria. The makeup because that’s where your immune system starts. That’s how everything works, how you absorb that you assimilate. 

It creates so much of your body is the way your gut health is. So you know finding out have they used a lot of antibiotics where they breast fed child where they have vaginal delivery. Do I need to run a bunch of gut panel oh my gosh you have diarrhea constipation all these things. Okay so I’m gonna run multiple tests on just your gut to understand the physiology of the gut. That’s 1. 2. Hey we want to run a big medical panel and understand the physiology of each of these organs associated with the conversion and utilization of fiber. That’s really important. I have to understand that. I also have to understand your antibodies are because I like objective testing. Hey your T. P. O. Antibodies, your thyroid proxies are at 500 I want to blow nine. Okay so we know where objectively. I know that in a couple months I’m gonna retest and I want that down at 200. 100. Oh well we’re making progress. I don’t feel better. That’s okay. I can objectively tell you are getting better. It’s just a matter of time until you actually get that result subjectively. Um So we may look at things like uh like heavy metals. You know if you have a lot of lead toxicity in your body, it’ll stop you from absorbing your iron. If your iron doesn’t get absorbed, your fair eternal drop. Unless you have lots of inflammation or infection in which case it will look high but your iron will be low, very interesting. Um but without appropriate iron stores your thyroid can’t work without a normal iodine level. Like it depends on the person. So I’m not saying one treatments better than other but I always test I’m not someone to super dose something just to make thyroid get better. So for me iodine I take a serum iodine and I want to know if you have enough in your body and you know, obviously there’s functional ranges and there’s regular leverages just because you’re just inside iodine doesn’t mean you’re, iodine is okay. But I would dose iodine if it’s low, I’d raise it up to a sufficient level. I don’t need to hyper dose.

I know there’s other doctors out there that do lots and lots of iodine to push thyroid. It’s not what I do. That’s more to me it’s more of a natural medicine. I believe in epigenetic or functional medicine. My clinic is the epigenetic ceiling center. Um it’s about getting it right and not having to be on a million pills the rest of your life. So our whole goal is to fix the problem. Get out and let you live a normal life, teach you all parts of it. But yeah, it’s really sitting down figuring which labs are there and while people are waiting to get their labs done, we put you on a very specific eating protocol supplementation regimen for four weeks while we’re waiting to get the labs back. And typically they lose between 5 15 £20 in that first four weeks poop, better sleep better, have more energy. And by the time I get the labs back there already, like my gosh, most of my problems are gone. I go all right, that’s true. I I hear you, these are the things that we actually have to take care of so that those problems don’t come back and it’s really it’s a miraculous process. It’s mean for the patients transcendent, it brings them to a whole nother place they’ve never been before.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Sounds very precise. Sounds like you’re giving each human being sitting in front of you, not a protocol, but you’re basing your decision on the principles around functional medicine and not like here’s your detox box. You know, you’re looking at what is their individual, what are their stressors? And you And I could talk about this cell danger response all day long but basically, you know what has set off their body to go into this danger mode and how do we reverse that? And it is different from person to person. I mean, you know, it can be heavy metals for one person and coupled with other, you know, a couple of things and it could be, you know, emotional stress with another couple of things there. So I really admire what you’re really getting. You’re taking such a detailed history and I’m sure that your some of your patients are shocked probably at hall in depth. But all those questions matter. Yes. You were born 45 years ago. But I do care if you were breast fed or bottle fed and I do care if your C. Section. It’s all little pieces of the puzzle and then when you take that and I’m sure that you get results faster. You’re personalizing. So you’re really taking into account again, I love what you said about, we’re not just stopping here because you feel better. We’re going to continue on this path and we can continue to optimize your body, thereby optimizing your brain and thereby having them do their purpose. I mean really, that’s really what my philosophy is to is that, you know, when we’re sick and we can’t get out of bed and we can’t care for our loved ones and we, you know, we can’t do any sort of rewarding thing in life. Like that is the worst right. That is the absolute worst.

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

Being dependent instead of being responsible for your loved ones as a problem. I’m dependent on my loved one to take care of me. I don’t want that. I want to be responsible for my loved ones. I want to be the care taker.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. And I think there’s just so many people like, like you said, undergoing egregious treatment for a problem that is just not being identified. We didn’t learn in medical school how to identify root causes. We didn’t have anyone like you doctor good buyer who head to toe and then some right of digging and digging and that is where true healing lives. That is where you literally, you probably lose a lot of patients along the way because they’re like, I’m good, you know, like after they get they get it right, they get it and you probably don’t want to see them, you know, for so long because you’ve done your job effectively. You put them on the right protocol with keeping in mind everything and then there’s bumps in the road, like someone gets Covid and then they get step back, right? But they’re much better able. 

I’m sure after having you come in with your clinic and your staff much better able to literally get through things like that, you know, get through all these illnesses that we have right now that are facing us and that’s super important. I think people are realizing that we really have to get our bodies in tip top shape. I mean, you know, like, I think that we’re just kind of the walking unwell as jim Lovell would say, you know, like if you really look at a regular person walking down the street, I have no medical problems and then you dig in you if you look at their labs and the resting heart rate and the HR V. And so on and so forth, they’re they’re a mess. Right? And so again, you go back to telepathic medicine is not good at digging, digging and digging into that.

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

To save your life. It’s wonderful. It just does not give it back. Well, you know, we mentioned the like how important it is for the microbiome with the breastfeeding in vaginal delivery. Like people don’t realize like a hospital is not a place for a miracle to happen. It’s a place to save lives. It’s for sick people and you have a baby there and you go, hey, it’s gonna be a C section. Great. So we didn’t go through the vaginal canal. We didn’t get vaginal mucus in our nose and our mouth that we didn’t give coding to create good roots for good bacteria. Well guess what you got, you got the microbiome of whatever is in the hospital that day. We have sick people laying in hospital beds who are completely dependent on drugs and surgery and £400 on diabetic medications and viruses and bacterial infections and you go, here you go, baby. You just get this. I mean it’s scary scary. What’s going on?

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Very scary. Um so yeah, I mean definitely that comes down to that microbiome. It all goes, it all goes back to that because if you just don’t have that optimized, we could do a whole other, we could do a series of talks on the microbiome, but I don’t want to keep you too long. I know that you have a conference to get back to. So you know in parting thoughts, there any stories you want to share in particular or any sort of tips that you do personally to to really maintain your vibrant health because I will tell you people he really does wake up in the morning with all this energy every single time, like ready to go ready. I mean you’re, you’re no joke, you walk the walk and it’s awesome.

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

So well, so yes, so first the most important is like we talked about living indulgently well, being healthy. We, this term, I love to use it over and over and over again, which is I like to indulge by making better bad choices. I want to make a better bad choice. So hey, I’m going to cheat tonight. We’re gonna party. Okay, well I’m gonna have maybe I, I decided to introduce some grains into my diet because I typically don’t recommend grain ingestion. Um, so I’ll do gluten free organic grain, you know, I’ll be like, let’s have some gluten free brown rice, pasta, organic and I put some grass fed grass finished pasture raised meat balls and some organic marinara over the top. I’m indulging and going wild, This is great.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

You’re better bad choice. That’s awesome. And that can be applied to like so many things, right? Because like you’re gonna have a cocktail, like do some high end tequila. I don’t really know which one. Right, right.

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

Tequila, It’s my favorite. I don’t drink very often because I really do feel good. I don’t want to, I don’t want to mess with it. I like going, I have energy for days and I want to hang out and talk to people and I’m not so introverted, I have the extrovert thing is here. But yeah, I mean like I will have a sipper dark tequila and sit there and sip on it with some probiotics, lower sugars and just be like here we are I found my spot. But yeah better what are you gonna sit there and go bang down a beer full of gluten and yeast and all these things and get you all bloated and gassy with all that carbon. I mean it’s just it’s not the best thing or hey you know what I want a pizza tonight Check this one pizza maybe do the cauliflower crust which is fine. And then for the cheese you get a raw grass fed a to yogurt cheese now that’s a lot of things to remember. You catch all there’s a lot of things so we do like it’s grass fed so you have a lot of C. L. A. S. 

Anti inflammatory fats, you do um the yogurt cheese that you have the probiotic cultures to eat up some of the lactose and you get an A. Too. So you don’t get the case in a one protein which causes all the auto immunity taste exactly the same. Tastes amazing, stretchy cheese on cauliflower crust literally almost no gastrointestinal distress. You know you can still feel you go home with your loved one. You go home with whoever your friend you’re not gassy and bloated, you can still feel sexy and you’re like hey I’m hanging out with my whoever and yeah you can lean on me, don’t worry about there’s no smell coming out, we’re okay. How’s your microbiome smell? You know, you know we don’t need to expose other people to the smell of our microbiome.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

That’s right, that’s right. Just be kind right because do not let that happen. Well right and then I think that right now when we’re recording this, it’s the holiday season and this is so applicable to the choices we make right now we pay like help for them if we don’t opt for the better bad choice. I mean just having that in mind really can just really take people and elevate their health if they just do that. Like really that’s just like a hot tip right there just doing that will really get you, you know, your time’s worth and your money’s worth because what you just said with the C. L. A. S. And the probiotics and all that that’s called food is medicine people right right there, that’s food as medicine because all of those things are actually healthy. There’s a lot of food choices that you know we can turn into delicious goodies and things all keeping them healthy. So a very very good tip. Their doctor good binder. Well I have so much enjoyed this conversation every time we talk. You know it’s very enlightening for me. I really need to come down to one of your, your trainings do tell the audience tell us about how we can find you if you’re a doctor, how we can enroll in your course.

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

So one thing as patients just go to DrGoodbinder.com. DRGoodbinder.com and you can check out our website, see what we do. It really is it’s life changing. I mean I did it for myself. I’ve done for thousands people had patients from 18 different countries come to Kansas city for our care. Um And as far as doctors are concerned you can go to our website too and just contact us and say hey I want to be part of Dr. Goodbinder’s transformation weekend where you really learn how to become a real functional doctor. I know you want to you may do hormones, you may do I. V. S. Or peptides. You want to do something different. You don’t know how to get there. I’m telling you a comprehensive whole weekend with me going like this literally all day long every day intensive uh to really teach you how to communicate with patients and help them to understand you aren’t like everybody else. You are gonna look physiologically down beneath the labs and go these labs indicate this about this and this and this and this may be the problem actually creating that number. 

It’s not just hey my enzymes are high. Let’s get on a liver cleaner. That’s not functional medicine that’s green Al apathy that’s not functional medicine. Anyways get on my website DrGoodbinder.com dot com, you can contact me through there just like my patients do and say, hey I wanna be part of dr transformation weekend, it’s gonna be on Miami Beach, it’s beautiful, it’s an incredible resort. It’ll be eight hours of super intense mind blowing experience, like completely changing the way you see everything, and then at night it will be just the beauty of the ocean, white sand beach, just a gorgeous wonderful restaurants. Oh there’s this uh this Argentinean place, I’ve never had sweet bread before, it’s like this glandular meat that comes like the thymus gland crispy on the outside, soft and chewy on the inside with these amazing sauces, oh I’m verklempt, it’s amazing. Um But yeah, you really can and I try to actually care about you, I want you to succeed. Um I feel like your success is um indicative of how successful I was. So my patients are the same way if I don’t have a patient that doesn’t get a result, I feel like I fail, I do not want you to fail. I’m a perfectionist. Same thing with doctors, I want you to be the most successful doctor in the world and I’m gonna do everything I can to get you there as well. So that’s how you get a hold of me, drgoodbinder.com either way and let’s get you better whether it’s in practice or your health.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Perfect, well thank you so much for your time, Dr. Goodbinder. Have a great rest of your conference and I’m sure we will talk soon.

Jay Goodbinder, NC, DC, DABCI

Absolutely look forward to it. Thank you so much for having me.