Heart Watch: The Power Of Wearables To Prevent Palpitations And Atrial Fibrillation

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Thank you. Thank you for having me, Dr. Khan.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

I’m talking to you from suburban Detroit, and you’re in suburban San Francisco, in Redwood City, and you are CEO of an amazing company called Biotricity. And I’m just gonna set the stage, if it’s okay with you. Read a little bit about Biotricity, but we’re gonna talk, people who are listening don’t need to worry too much about that. We’re gonna ask you to remember an even easier word called Bioheart, but not yet. So, Biotricity is a modern medical technology company, focused on delivering innovative, remote biometric monitoring solutions to the medical and consumer market. And those listening, you’re the consumer market. 

Diagnostic and post-diagnostic solutions for chronic conditions and lifestyle improvement. So basically, it’s a technology company in the medical sector, looking at measuring various parameters of health and obviously, looking to focus, as you say, on preventive healthcare. And so many people listening to this summit are interested in prevention and ounce of prevention, is worth a pound of cure. So I told you, I had to ask you, I’m from Detroit, why are you not an automotive engineer? What was it about healthcare that had you take your PhD and your engineering background and apply it to improving our health? That’s such a great thing, but why’d you do that?

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

No, great question. So, you know, I think it was kind of like, with all engineering stories, it was a bit of a twisted road, but my interest really started when I was in grad school. I was doing some work on sensory networks, working with Cisco, working with the DOD, and really looking at remote monitoring of environments in a secure way, collecting data, and basically, being able to make real time decisions. And so one of the applications that sparked my interest that I got really deep into was the idea of monitoring people’s stress levels, right? So, when you’re doing decision-making, obviously, so think, in a NASA command center, how is the stress level there, something’s going wrong, should they really be making that decision or not?

And so, the idea was how do we track and how do we look at optimum performance of an individual, bring that data back, and then be able to do real-time decision-making and combine both individual monitoring along with environmental monitoring? So, that was kind of what got my interest and I kind of left that, did the big cloud computing thing. And then I went to investment banking for a while, and when I was looking at that, I saw a lot of these technologies coming out in consumer, this idea of transformation healthcare. And I saw that there’s a big gap in really looking at the clinical quality of wearables and looking at like, how does that relate to improvement? You know, obviously we’re talking about prevention here, and your focus as a cardiologist and looking at what you’ve been really talking about, which is how do we really improve our core lifestyle so that we can actually focus on better health, better outcomes and and lifestyle? So, that’s what directed me towards the healthcare market, seeing that gap and that research that I originally did during grad school.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

I often quote an automotive engineer guru, Edward Deming, which “You can’t measure, you can’t change.” And we’re getting better in my field of cardiology and measuring things precisely, but you are talking about exactly that. I mean, a whole lot of people are listening to this and they want optimal health and we don’t want guesswork, we want metrics, we want measurements, we want precision, we wanna see trends. And you’re the guy that can take your engineering background and actually measure stuff. So, maybe before we get deep in the weeds, there could be a person or two that just is not familiar with the term wearables, and you know, maybe you just wanna break that down a little bit before we go any further.

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, wearables really came from this idea of quantified self. So, the idea was, what is the future of individual healthcare? And actually lifestyle, it really started from a lifestyle angle. And so, it started originally with activity trackers, right? Something very simple, how am I gonna walk around? How many steps am I gonna do? And this whole caloric concept. And then what we realized, well, that is only a drop in the bucket in terms of really managing individual health because healthcare in and of itself, is really around disease management, and really around prevention because you don’t wanna actually develop the disease. And in order to do that, an activity tracker’s not enough, right? You have to layer that on with additional information. So, the concept of wearables came in and saying, “Okay, what else can we collect from noninvasive sensors?” So I wanna be very specific here. The idea and the topic of wearables in the industry is, what can we do that’s external to our body, collecting data from sensors? And these sensors can pick up different information. So, you know, it could be something as simple as how many steps I’m taking to something as complex as, what is my heart statistics? 

Bring this into the cloud, summarize that and bring that into something that is actionable and consumable for an individual to basically manage their lifestyle or in the best case, if they’ve been diagnosed with the condition, manage their condition. And so, that is the concept and as the realm of wearables, and now that has of course gone into multiple sectors. So, you have wearables that are around, you know, infant monitoring wearables around, activity monitoring wearables around, heart monitoring, diabetes and so on and so forth.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

Okay, well, that was great. So you’re right, I kind of forgot, we started with a clip on our belt that would tell us, when I was head of an employee wellness department 13 years ago, our employees getting 5,000, 7,000, 10,000 steps a day. And those things were two, $3 little plastic devices, but they had a accelerometer that allowed you to measure that, and a lot of people will remember wearing those to basically, now our smartphone is a wearable in that it often tracks many health parameters and that is always increasing. I was just gonna show a little bit. I’ve got a ring on my right hand because I got a wedding band on my left, but that’s a wearable that tracks sleep and breathing parameters, and it’s a very popular one people know about. I brought with me, I have from online in China, a blood pressure watch which is a wearable, except I have to say this is so needed and I hope actually Biotricity can come up with a wearable blood pressure monitor. But this breaks and breaks and breaks over and over, so I can’t really endorse it to anyone yet. I will sometimes be seen with a wearable that is an ear plug in my left ear that is something to do with stress. 

And there’s another wearable on my wrist, I don’t wear all these all the time called the Apollo Neuro that also manages stress. But we’re our heart summit, and stress is clearly in the main bullseye of prevention and stress wearables and reminders to breathe, and reminders to de-breathe, they’re key. But with Biotricity and a subdivision, you call Bioheart, and I certainly want to focus and talk because many people will be fascinated. I’ll give you an example. I have a very high-end patient, businessman. I talked to him today on my way home about a clinical question, and he’s totally up to date on his smartphone. He uses every parameter and all, but he was experiencing a bit of a palpitation during exercise. Well, you may have a smartphone, but you’re not gonna carry it and look at it during exercise usually. You may have certain devices where you put your finger on a device that it tells you, even runs an electric cardiogram, but you’re not gonna run the treadmill and do that. And I told him about this, I told him about a device called Bioheart. Well, this happens to be the device you engineered and that you produce and that’s commercially available and it’s a strap. I didn’t wanna take my shirt off for this summit interview, but I understand you have your Bioheart on, but it’s a very comfortable strap you wear and there’s, of course, an app, and an application on your phone, and you can actually have your phone, show you your electrocardiogram in real-time. 

And this is, for me as a cardiologist, actually, my research project long ago was on the history of electrocardiography, and the first electrocardiogram now is about 120, maybe 130 years ago. And those pioneers in Europe, in the United States, and actually in Ann Arbor, Michigan, could see that you have developed, Dr. Al-Siddiq, you know, this real-time electrocardiogram, very cost-favorable device that all you gotta do is look at your phone and watch your electrocardiogram, and then maybe send a strip to a test center or to your physician or your health practitioner. So, tell us about Bioheart. Maybe even if it’s possible you have your smartphone with you, show us your own EKG as it goes by. I would, but I can’t ’cause I’m holding it, it’s not on my chest. But I mean, what are the capabilities and how are you expanding that into biocare and disease management? What are people listening, how are they gonna benefit from having this core heart wearable called Bioheart that is clearly unique on the market?

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

No, excellent question. So, I’ll kind of break that down, and really talk about the inspiration behind it. So, we cut our teeth in cardiac diagnostics. So you know, diagnosing cardiac patients for arrhythmias with the smart monitor, which is prescribed, that doctors prescribed to a patient, collect that data, you know, from 48 hours all the way up to 30 days, but two, three weeks. And so the question is, you know, at the core of it, why are cardiologists collecting this data, right? Because patients are primarily intermittent and asymptomatic, which means it’s very, very hard to find what is going on with somebody’s heart. Like, the individual that you mentioned who had palpitations, that’s a fantastic example of somebody who’s symptomatic, but there’s a lot less patients that are symptomatic as compared to asymptomatic. And so, in the world of cardiac, you always need long-term monitors, right? So, you’re talking about Holter monitors, real-time cardiac monitors that are used 23 hours a day, seven days a week for up to a period of time, the prescribed period. 

But insurance will only pay for a maximum of 30 days. So then, you diagnose a patient and then what does the patient have? They have a medication, they have a procedure, but they’re basically left to their own vices, unless they’ve got a really engaged cardiologist, like yourself, who’s really focusing on prevention. So, they’re basically left to their own vices. They are told, “You know, exercise do the right things.” And then every six months or so they’re back into the office to look at what the update is and what the data is and they’ll get a new ECG. And so what we found was diabetics have a glucometer, but the number one killer in the world, there’s nothing. There’s that device that you can put on your phone and collect 30 seconds of your ECG. And in most cases, like you said, if you’re on a treadmill, how are you gonna stop the treadmill, pull the device out, collect the 30 seconds, and is the symptom even going to be there, or what about if you’re sleeping? It’s three o’clock in the morning, now, you wake up with some chest pain, are you gonna go fumble around for that device and collect 30 seconds and send it to your doctor. So, what we did was we took all of our diagnostic technology and implemented a consumer non-prescription based product for long-term data collection on your heart. And that’s what the Bioheart is, right? 

It is the first of its kind, you can record months, you can record a year of your data. And what it’s really doing, and this will go right into what you’re talking about and where we see the product going in the future of it is that as you collect trends, when you’re coming back to your physician, you can have a summary of your data over months. You can set triggers on the Bioheart saying that, “Okay, if my heart rate is above this, I want to automatically create a diary.” What’s unique about the product is if you’re wearing, it’s recording. You don’t have to push anything, you don’t have to take a recording, it’s automatically recording all the time. As long as you’re wearing it and it’s charged, it’s automatically recording. 

So, what you can do then is you can go back into time. So, let’s say you’re running, you’re wearing the Bioheart and you’re like, “Oh I think I felt something in the middle of my workout.” Well, you can go back to that data in the middle of your workout and look if there was a peak or a trough and then take a snapshot of that and share it. You can automatically share it with your doctor. But where we really see is that it’s really gonna move into prevention, right? And helping patients with the number one problem that they’re having, which is they don’t have feedback, right? They come to their physician, the physician says, “Hey, you need to exercise, you need to do this.” But until they see it, right? And like you said about being able, if you can’t measure it, right, okay, what do you do?

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

You can change it.

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Yeah, so patients need to be able to, and individuals need to be able to measure the improvement, right? Because the doctors are always saying, “Exercise,” but if you exercise and you see that your resting heart rate is improving at nighttime, is lower, that means that you’re doing better. And so, that is what we envision with the Bioheart, and what we’re doing with the product is adding more and more and analytics to it, more and more triggers to it, so that we can help guide individuals in their care program. It’s going to get fully integrated with our disease management program, which you already mentioned, which is the biocare. It’s an entire holistic program. Again, first of its kind, there’s been no program that has been developed for chronic disease management focused on cardiac. So, everybody has disease management, but it’s very generic. So, we’ve created, a cardiac focused disease management program and Bioheart is the core of that because it allows you to collect so much data long-term over a patient. And you know, things like what I’m doing right now, I’m chatting with you and you just mentioned, you can see my ECG. It’s says–

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

Keep that right there. That is so powerful. So that’s, you’re wearing a strap under your shirt, the Bioheart strap that I showed, that’s your app live. And you know, if you weren’t looking at it, and let’s say you were in a power meeting and you’re negotiating and you felt a little flutter or you felt a flop or you felt a skip or you felt a pain, when the meeting’s over, you can go back and look at the last 30 minutes.

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

You know, and that’s exactly right. So, one of the things that we’re able to do and you know, I’ll show you guys another screen. So, here’s an example of me going back in history. And so I’m like, “Oh, what’s that going on over there?” So, I can go and click one of these dots and I can go back and I can actually see that ECG, and I say, “Oh, well that looks funny,” and I can immediately right now create a PDF and send it to Dr. Kahn if he’s willing to look at it.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

It looks pretty healthy, looks pretty healthy, you’re in good shape, doc.

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Well, that’s good. So, for individuals that that you know, and you can go and we can see so much, you know, there’s have hours and hours and months and months of data. And what we’ve done really here is to create a tool for individuals to manage. Because with diabetics, how do they manage their eating, right? They take a prick, they check their blood. If the blood is high or blood is low, the glucose higher or low, they make decisions. And so this is the first tool that we’ve created for long-term patient information. And it’s what we’ve seen is that for individuals that have bought or have heart conditions, it’s actually making it change because they’re able to see changes in what they’re doing. And I think that is the most powerful thing, and that’s what wearables really are about, right? It’s how do we collect something that’s clinically relevant to give feedback to an individual so that they actually listen to their doctor, right?

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

No, I think it’s brilliant, and I don’t know if anybody’s ever used this term, but a lot of the audience will have heard of CGM, continuous glucose monitors, you mentioned it, a little device you might wear on the back of your arm for two weeks, and you can look at your phone every 15 minutes and get a estimated tissue glucose and find out how you’re doing and how your food’s affecting you. But this is like a CHRM, I don’t know if anybody’s using that, continuous heart rate monitor, and it’s a vital sign, certainly as important as blood sugar, blood glucose. You know, ample data, I can think of so many examples, the one I gave you of the phone call to a patient who’s experiencing a flip-flop, a race, a skip, a pause, “Nighttime I roll over on my left side, I feel my heartbeat, is that normal or not?” Now, you got data you can share with your healthcare team or maybe you have the sophistication to look at it on your own, but how about just the importance of heart rate as a vital sign? You know, as you mentioned, I saw your heart rates in the 60s, that’s a more positive and helpful vital sign than somebody who’s resting, heart rate is 90 continuously over time. 

If your resting heart heart is 90, there’s questions to be asked about your health status, your thyroid status, and the rest. How about people that start medication, beta blockers, calcium blockers, medications, diuretics that can lower heart rate, raise heart rate? And now you have a parameter, my mother, just an example, turning 90 called me her heart rate’s off in 48, but that’s the 15 seconds she’s checking her blood pressure. That’s not as you said, a 12 hour, 24 hour, let alone a week snapshot. So, I think we’re gonna have to loan her my Bioheart, she’s quite a tech savvy, 90-year old mom, and let her get a little bigger picture on her heart rate, so many implications. And I just wanna say before we leave the diabetic comment, ’cause you brought up diabetes management. You know, a diabetic of which are obviously millions in the United States, and the numbers growing sadly and fantastic, a diabetic with a high-risk in heart rate, is a high-risk diabetic. It’s a sign of a neuropathy of the heart, and it’s very hard to measure and it’s largely ignored by clinicians. 

But if you have a device like the Bioheart where you can actually get some real-time and kinda longer term, you know, hours, days, weeks, even months of data, you know, that’s how a patient that needs real intense diabetic therapy and cardiovascular evaluation for risk management. If a diabetic has a resting heart rate in 90 or 95, it should be down there like yours in the 60s or 50s, and you know, it drops at night. It’s no problem if your heart rate’s in the 40s at night if you’re asymptomatic, but now we have this great tool. So, you mentioned constantly innovating, what can you see? Anything that you’d add on to the Bioheart or the Bioheart 2, what would be the next moonshot? ‘Cause you’ve clearly created moonshot one, which is, I can tell you, having used your device, I mean I hook patients up for 48-hour monitors, and it costs two to $300. You have a device that’s less than that, but you can use it basically for perpetuity, until it falls apart, I mean, literally years. So, it’s in a tremendous value. But what’s moonshot number two for Biotricity or Bioheart?

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

No, it’s a great question. So, what we’re looking at with Bioheart 2 and even actually the existing one we’re constantly making changes is we’re really gonna be moving into optimizing heart rate ranges, based on activities, right? So, we look at sleep and you mentioned, you know, resting heart rate while you’re sleeping can be different, than resting heart rate while you’re sitting or walking or what your baseline is, how you’re running. And also what people don’t realize is the transition, right? How does your heart rate spike or increase when you go from sitting on the couch to doing your exercise. And so, looking at those transitions. So, what we’re really diving deep into is looking at, okay, let’s break up your day into activities, you know, sleeping being one of them. Let’s look at what your ranges are within sleeping. Let’s bring in some an analysis and link that to what is defined as healthy from clinical research per perspectives, and then set flags because the flag that is, you know, during the day may be very different, than a flag at night because just the status of your body. 

And the same thing is a flag while you’re running and performing exercise should be very different, than a flag of while you’re sitting and working. And so, what we’re trying to do is we’re trying to push it and looking at performance optimization in the context of healthcare, right? So, what is optimum sleep and where is sleeping optimized in terms of heart rates? Where is respiration optimized and how do we link all of this to the heart? And so that’s kind of the next evolution of the Bioheart product. And then we’re also looking at, you know, how do we integrate this with diagnostics? So, if a doctor really wants to say, “Hey, I wanna actually look at the details of an individual ECG?” Just like they would do a Holter analysis, you know, how much information do we need? What level in quality do we need that in? And can we bring that data, output it, and turn it into a clinical diagnostic report, so that right now, what’s the workflow a patient puts on the Bioheart? They feel something, they share it with you, they come you, you’ll make either clinical decision or you might say, “Hey, I need more information so I’m gonna prescribe a Holter monitor or the diagnostic monitor that costs a couple 100 bucks. And now they’re gone and they’re on that monitor.” So, is there a way to shortcut that? And so what we really see in Bioheart 2 is that it’ll be a combination of a lifestyle and a diagnostic in one.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

Yeah, that’s excellent. And in case there are any clinicians listening to this summit and this presentation, they should check out at biotricity.com, Biocare, because there actually is a reimbursement pathway that won’t pertain to the consumer listening, but may pertain to the clinician where they can use Bioheart for continuous health monitoring and have appropriate diagnostic code. So, be sure you check that out. It’s very provocative clinical application. What would you add on? Can you ever foresee a oxygen sensor on the back of the Bioheart strap, or I don’t think we’re gonna get blood pressure off of this, but can you do HRV, heart rate variability, algorithms off of the data? Is that already available? I should know, but–

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Great question. So, heart rate variability is going to be out there in the next release.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

Okay.

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

And yes, oxygen saturation, we’re adding in to the next gen device, so I’m already testing with an oxygen saturation device.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

Wow, wow.

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

And we’re also looking at how do we integrate with other devices? So, though blood pressure watches are not around, there are blood pressure cuffs. Some of these patients, like you said, cardiac patients have hypertension. If they’re buying a blood pressure cuff, can we integrate and pull that data and yank it in? So, we’re looking at all that to create a more and more holistic picture of the individual. And so, whatever we can pack into the device, we will. And I think, people always ask me, and I’m sure it comes up with you as well, “You know, why not an Apple Watch? Why not a device?” And why the heart has been so difficult to monitor and why you need a chest is, you actually have to go across the heart. And watches and these other devices, because they’re sitting on one wrist, you can’t actually collect a data across the heart without closing the circuit, which means you need your second hand to touch the watch to essentially go across your heart, which is a manual process. 

So, if you wanted to record ECG for 24 hours or even for one hour on your watch, you’d have to hold your watch with the opposite hand for an hour. And so, the form factor of a chest trap is super critical in order to get long-term heart data. So now, we’re trying to figure out, okay, what else can we collect from their posture analysis? Because sometimes posture actually tells you, along with heart rate, that if your posture is declining, it means you’re actually becoming more unhealthy. And if your heart rate is actually also increasing in terms of resting, the correlation is there that you should probably start engaging more in physical activity. So, those are some of the different parameters that we’re trying to bring altogether. And the heart being the center point, but also the verifying point of saying, “Yes, if there’s an alert over here on this item, the change in your heart rate variability or your heart rate is verifying that is a problem.”

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

All right, and I just wanna reiterate one thing and you’re absolutely right, knowing the history of monitoring and electrocardiograms, everybody knows you get a strap when you’re at the doctor’s office, on your ankles, on your wrists, and a number across the chest. You know, the Apple Watch, it’s a fascinating breakthrough but it’s just sitting on your wrist. You have on the back of the Bioheart, I believe there are four, you can almost see them there, electrodes. So, you actually are creating these little triangles of electrical access and that’s why you actually are monitoring how many leads as we call them in cardiology, when you showed us your phone?

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Three.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

Three. So you know, when you wanna know, I mean these critical questions, “Doctor, my heart was racing,” and I have to say was it atrial fibrillation which causes a stroke risk? Was it sinus tachycardia ’cause you’re stressed out having dreams or drank too much? You know, was it a premature beat because maybe your magnesium and potassium low? You want high quality electrocardiograms, having these four electrodes on the back of the Bioheart is quantum increase in accuracy, and it’s very comfortable to wear. Maybe in the last few minutes, you just give us a spectrum. I mean, you have no competition really in your field of continuous, comfortable, wearable, cost-affordable electrocardiogram monitoring for all these reasons we talked about the Bioheart. But just the whole spectrum, I mean, what wearables, and you can include even glucose ones if you want, do you think are meaningful and maybe even enviable from your engineering and business standpoint and you know, ones either you personally wear or try have used?

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Yeah, no, absolutely. So I mean, I’m always playing around with these things, so I’ve been playing around with the same ring that you are using, and I think that that is a fantastic, very interesting device. I think a lot of people are very enamored with it. I think where they need to push the envelope is that you’re a clinician, I’m an engineer, that is quite astute with clinical data. So like, I can interpret and analyze that, but a lot of other individuals, it’s got all of this data, but it’s not intuitive, and for individuals to really understand or how to optimize. I think a big part of that is because they’re a consumer company, and I think that bringing sleep apnea and COPD, these are major issues. We need to bring it closer to the clinical outcomes. So, what I think is very exciting is the fact that a product like that is out there, but then pushing it to the next level would be to really bring in the clinical efficacy. And there is a company called Night Owl, which has done some really good stuff on PAT, which is another alternative to doing sleep diagnostic studies at home.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

Oh yeah, sure.

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Yeah, but they–

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

If that’s right, I use PAT at home for sleep studies, very much often.

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Right, so nine-hour built, one, that’s like a finger-based PAT device. The issue that I find, which I love that technology, I would love to have that or access to it or developed it, and they’re using it for diagnostics, but they’re not bringing it into the consumer world for consumers to consume, right? So, and I really think that the exciting areas are kind of like that middle ground where you can get the clinical data, clinical value, but then also bring it into the consumer. And I think the best, most recent technology, that is done is actually CGM. Blood pressure is another area that is very clinical, but they’ve made it in a way that individuals can consume it on a regular basis and make decision-making. And I think that doing that for COPD, sleep apnea and also kidney disease, that’s another area that I’m very excited about, I’m looking at. You know, we know dialysis is moving back into the home, but how do we measure the other levels, right? Like, increasing potassium levels in kidney patients is a big problem. Many kidney patients who have CKD have cardiac issues. So, how do you combine potassium levels, plus they do water retention. So that means that you need to look at impedance monitoring or weight and then align that with heart potassium, and have kind of this four-pronged approach. So you know, I’m very much investigating the types of sensors that are clinical that can be applied in a consumer way in the sleep and COPD space.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

Well, I just recommend for those that are listening, that they do check out Bioheart, Biotricity, but there is a website bioheart.com, correct?

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Yeah, there is in need.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

Right, for the device itself, Biotricity, the parent company. And I’d really encourage if we have any athletes, ’cause you could mount your phone on your bike either, whether it’s in your gym or whether you’re out on the road. If you’re have any concerns, you’d actually be able, don’t take your eyes off the road, but be watching your electrocardiogram real-time. And if you were an athlete or a exercise or having a concern about your heart rate or a skip feeling, you’d be able to watch it. But even if you don’t watch it, you’ll have this recording to go back when you’re done with your exercise, review it. 

And again, I wanna emphasize, patients send me these recordings, these PDFs, you know, look at two o’clock, I was doing a walk, run, walk, run out workout, and I felt a little fluttered to use anything. And you know, it’s really a breakthrough that patients are so involved and engaged. So, it’s a great, great opportunity. So again, tell us where the consumer that says, “You know, this sounds excellent and I wanna bring one into my wearable menu at home.” They go to what site to get the Bioheart?

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

They can go to www.bioheart.com. And if you wanna learn more about our company and if there’s clinicians out there, all of our products are insurance reimbursable and you can learn about them at biotricity.com.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

Excellent, excellent. Well, I appreciate you taking the time. We’ve learned a lot. I can say from personal experience, it’s absolutely breakthrough, comfortable too. I wanna say how comfortable it is to wear it. I love, you don’t have to shave your chest hair, guys. I mean, there’s a lot of monitors you wear where you do have to, so this is something you can wear, while workouts during the day. You wear it at night and look back. It’s kind of a really, really practical wearable for optimal heart health and natural heart health, and really optimizing. And, you know, maybe you’ve engaged in a lifestyle program and you’re working out and you’re meditating and you’re trying to eat better and maybe lose some weight and you want a parameter to measure. Well, measuring your resting heart rate like this, is an absolutely solid scientific way to do that. So, thank you so much Dr. Al-Siddiq, and we look forward to seeing, all these great breakthroughs you’re talking about, oxygen sensors, high rate variability, new iterations, and integrating it into the office, so that doctors have better tools. We definitely need better tools in the office. Thank you so much.

Dr. Waqaas Al-Siddiq

Yeah, thank you Dr. Khan.

Joel Kahn, MD, FACC

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