Full Transcript Introduction to Mitochondria and the Podcast 0:00 Mitochondria is the reason we are alive. 0:02 So, if I take mitochondria out of your cell, your cells has no capacity to make more mitochondrion. 0:08 Your mitochondrial decides whether the cell will live or die. 0:12 A cell won't die till the mitochondriac decides the cells needs to die, so that tells you it does everything. 0:19 If you're overwhelmed with chronic health symptoms and still don't have answers, you are not alone. 0:23 I'm Dr. 0:24 Javan and on redefining wellness with Dr Javin, we'll be exploring root causes like Lyme disease, mold and parasites and I'll guide you with simple and 0:33 practical steps towards real healing. 0:37 Welcome to the redefining wellness podcast. 0:39 I'm your host, Dr. 0:39 Jay Moore. 0:40 Today, I am with Dr Sundeep. 0:42 He is an expert on the mitochondria, the bacteria in your body that you can't live without, and you need to know more because this is your powerhouse, 0:50 right? 0:51 But it's so much more than that. 0:52 Without the You don't recover. 0:55 You have energy to think, you don' have an immune system. 0:57 By the way, it also controls hormones, your response to everything in the world. 1:03 So we're going to dig into this and then some major research breakthroughs that he's been able to put to the forefront with a product that. 1:12 He's saying is going change the game. 1:15 Thank you for joining us. 1:17 I'm really excited to talk about mitochondria because The cell danger response is something that we'll get into. 1:22 This is a response that the mitochondria has that you're going to be able to explain way better than I can. 1:28 But if you have histamine responses, if have a brain fog type or something, a detox reaction, If your body just doesn't act normally, 1:38 that might be cell-danger response. 1:41 If you are dealing with chronic infections that keep coming back, and if your dealing chronic fatigue, you need to know this, 1:49 chronic Epstein-Barr, or chronic Lyme. 1:50 I mean, the mitochondria are the root of everything. 1:53 What made you want to study this? 1:55 Well, I got introduced to this field in 2009. And to tell you frankly, before that I did not know much about mitochondrion. 2:03 Even though I've spent 39 years in the pharma world, mitochondrial was still peripheral to our understanding. 2:12 But in 2009, I was looking at some data and then it was like a two-year-old in me wanted to ask the question, why is this happening? 2:22 She alluded to the fact that, okay, you get repetitious infection, all the various things. 2:29 You have to question why it is happening. 2:33 What is it happening in your body that makes you have the infections again or as leading to brain fog, et cetera, or even chronic diseases like diabetes? 2:46 So people say, okay, if you have a bad gene or you'll have bad nutrition, these are the things that happen. 2:55 But let's keep going deeper. 2:58 Why does it happen?
Why Mitochondria Drive Health and Chronic Symptoms 3:00 Why is it that we don't get infections all the time? 3:04 Because every day you're exposed to viruses and bacteria. 3:08 You don' live in a sterile world. 3:11 Well, I just want to add to that is there's people that get sick all the time. 3:15 There's, people, that don't like for me, this is for, me. 3:19 If people are sick, all around me I don' care. 3:21 I'm like, i'm not going to get, sick. 3:23 So the mitochondria are playing a role in this. 3:25 That's it. 3:25 Because they are your defense and sentinel. 3:29 We, mitochondrion entered the part of our life and existence about two and a half billion years ago. 3:39 And as nature and life evolved on planet Earth, there's one thing that we share in common with every oxygen consuming species on Planet Earth. 3:50 And that includes plants. 3:52 We all have mitochondria. 3:56 You were saying to me earlier that there are two organisms that depend on, and we're basically going to die without. 4:05 And they're both bacteria, right? 4:07 Yes. 4:08 So we have a bacteria in our bodies, mitochondria, that if we don't take care of it, then we all have energy. 4:17 We're dependent on bacteria. 4:19 Correct. 4:19 All the germophobes out there right now are going, wait a minute, what? 4:22 Exactly. 4:23 There are two kinds, of course, doesn't mean all bacteria are good for you. 4:28 Right? 4:28 So of course there are bacteria that will hurt you, but to keep you healthy. 4:33 So often we look at it like the anti-sense, right? 4:37 Anti-bacterial. 4:39 But that doesn't mean all bacteria are bad for you. 4:41 We have to really recalibrate our thinking a little bit. 4:44 Right. 4:45 That I'm not suggesting go get any kind of bacteria, But there two bacteria in your body that function to, keep your healthy, 4:53 The one in your gut, the microbiome, and the other one, in every cell of your body, except the red blood cell. 5:02 Every cell in the body has the mitochondria. 5:04 Except the Red Blood Cell. 5:06 And their sole function is to keep that cell functioning, alive, doing what that cells needs to do. 5:14 So it'll make sure that your heart cells do what they need to do, your liver cells, do they what need do. 5:21 But they all are able to because the mitochondria are sensing the state of that cell. 5:29 It's not just providing energy, it's also sensing any insult that may be coming in. 5:34 And it is dealing with it. 5:36 Its dealing it by initiating cellular processes. 5:40 Your genes cannot make proteins. 5:44 unless the mitochondria tell it to and give it the energy to do. 5:50 So let me ask this because mitochondrion, the powerhouse of the cell, if you even know what they are at all, that's the understanding that the majority 5:58 of people have. 5:59 If you gave me the bullet pointed list, just like a couple of words for each bullet point, what are all the functions of mitochondrial? 6:08 So that's a pretty long question, but let me put it this way. 6:13 Mitochondria is the reason we're alive. 6:16 So if I take mitochondria out of your cell, your cells has no capacity to make more mitochondrion. 6:24 Your mitochondrial decides whether the cell will live or die. 6:28 A cell we'll not die till the mitochondrian decide the sell needs to die So that tells you it does everything. 6:38 When you change cells, for example, in your gut, you get rid of old cells and new ones are being made. 6:44 It's the mitochondria that is doing the turnover. 6:48 So the Mitochondria are monitoring the functioning of every cell. 6:52 Some cells don't turn over like your heart. 6:56 They keep the cardiomyocytes alive or the heart cells alive. 7:00 Right? 7:00 So when, if you ask me a question, what do they do? 7:03 They do everything within the cell that needs to be done. 7:08 They will initiate protein synthesis, they will stop protein syntheses. 7:12 If you have an infection, there are the ones that respond to the infection. 7:16 if You have any other nutrition coming in, They deal with the nutrition. 7:23 Because what you eat is processed by the mitochondria in your body. 7:28 So basically you're saying is mitochondria the operating system of the body? 7:32 Pretty much. 7:33 They're running operations, they're telling everything else what to do, where to go, how to. 7:37 Exactly. 7:37 Okay. 7:38 And just to clarify mitochondria are bacteria. 7:41 Correct. 7:42 We live in the antibacterial world. 7:44 Yes. 7:45 Because everything we do everything, we buy everything. 7:47 we put on our clothes and our mouths pretty much today has some sort of antibactyrials something on it. 7:53 So no wonder we're living in a world with chronic disease because that's what I treat in my clinic. 7:59 That's what I work with. 8:00 And I want to make sure we get there, but I really am thankful that you were able to explain a little bit more of what mitochondria do, 8:05 because it's such a misnomer out there of the effects that the world is having on our body due to all this antibacterial stuff. 8:15 Like everywhere you go during COVID was put all of this anti-bacteria all over your body. 8:20 I'm like, what about the microbiome on my hands? 8:24 What's going to happen when I killed that off? 8:26 Yeah, that's not a good thing. 8:28 So then when it comes to mitochondria and you've done, you said 39 years of pharma and last, how many years has it been? 8:38 16 years in mitochondrion. 8:39 16 Years in Mitochondria. 8:42 I was reading something that I think you had on one of your pamphlets and he said something like mitochondrial If you can get your mitochondria working, 8:51 who cares about the gym? 8:52 Your body's going to build on its own. 8:56 You're going build muscle and brain tissue and thought. 8:58 So how do you actually get mitochondrion healthy?
How Mitochondria Support Energy, Immunity, and Cell Function 9:03 Because mitochondries causing all these symptoms we mentioned before. 9:06 How do get them healthy. 9:09 Mitochondria are in your cell, only are there to respond to the needs of the cell. 9:16 Okay. 9:17 So if you don't use it, you will lose it. 9:21 Right? 9:21 So when you say, even with muscles, with your brain, say use, it or lose, right? 9:26 Yeah. 9:28 Mitochondria work on demand and the best way to keep them healthy and enough of mitochondria is to, keep putting demand on it okay. 9:39 Which means be physically active, read and sleep. 9:44 And here's another interesting thing. 9:46 that your body uses mitochondria for every function. 9:53 And your brain is only 2% of your weight, but it uses 20% percent of its energy. 10:02 Right? 10:03 And you know, when is the most energy consumption of the brain? 10:07 Not when you're awake. 10:09 It's when you're sleeping. 10:11 Interesting. 10:12 So when are going into REM sleep is the highest consumption of energy by your brain. 10:18 What's your brain doing? 10:19 It's going into this neuroplastic zone and processing your day, your previous day. 10:27 It your other day is laying down your short-term memory. 10:30 Its washing off trivial information, right? 10:34 So it's laying on all these things and it in such intense use of its energy that the rest of your body is actually in paralysis. 10:43 Your body energy is so focused on the brain, it lets go of the rest of your body. 10:49 So if you want to lose weight, get to REM sleep. 10:53 That might be a little simplistic. 10:55 Simplistic. 10:56 But this is the reason we say if you have a good night's sleep, it's actually good for you because you're allowing your brain to process the things. 11:04 And that's why sleep is so important. 11:07 Then again, that energy component is important because if don't have it, you don' t get into this REM sleep. 11:15 You don t sleep well. 11:17 And you have this deficit of energy in the morning because you've not been able to process things in your brain. 11:24 And it's all done by the mitochondria. 11:27 So to stay healthy, to keep mitochondrion healthy. 11:30 Sleep well. 11:31 That's your Brain exercising. 11:33 and physically move and be active during the day. 11:37 And that's your periphery exercising. 11:40 And, that is the really only natural way to keep your mitochondria level up and functioning well. 11:49 Now, a lot of people say fasting works on mitochondrious. 11:54 Correct. 11:54 Or what about all these tools like red light or hyperbaric chambers? 11:59 There's a lotta claims around mitochondrion. 12:01 Are you seeing data that backs? 12:03 devices of any kind or diets of kind to positively have outcomes on mitochondria in a significant way. 12:11 Correct. 12:12 So yes, these are responses the body will have. 12:17 For example, the whole issue of restricted diet is basically you're not overloading the system. 12:27 Let me give you an example. 12:28 If you were to have a fireplace, Right. 12:31 And you want to light a fire and you put three logs in it, you'll get a good fire. 12:36 Right? 12:36 Now suddenly you've put 15 in there. 12:38 Now you got a problem. 12:41 Yeah. 12:42 So what we do is we don't give the body to process the food the right way when we overload ourselves with the system. 12:50 The mitochondria are distressed. 12:52 They are not really functioning at their optimum set because it's a balance. 12:57 Right. 12:58 They don't, it does not necessarily create new mitochondria the way exercise does, but it allows your current mitochondrion to function better. 13:08 Okay. 13:09 So restrictive diets take the pressure off, allow them to focus and do their thing. 13:14 Yeah. 13:15 What about all the technologies? 13:17 So yes, so the idea here is that when you have red light, okay. 13:22 So when have read light or even ultra sound perturbations, the mitochondria look at it as an external, quote unquote, perturbation of exercise. 13:36 If you were to think like a quasi, right. 13:39 And the Mitochondria ramp up their activity. 13:43 Yeah. 13:43 Okay. 13:44 And if the cells are perturbed, then they will create a process of energy deficit and the cell will make more mitochondria. 13:54 But the most effective way is exercise because red lights don't penetrate deep. 14:04 And at the same time, it's not your internal whole entire body. 14:10 This is one of the questions I asked early on. 14:13 That what is so key about exercise that makes more mitochondria, right? 14:21 That's your natural way. 14:23 And if you look historically, most of us who have been physically active tend to stay healthier. 14:31 That not a debate. 14:32 and that's healthy, not just by physical function, but by brain function. 14:37 So exercise is the fountain of youth. 14:40 Or the fountain of good health. 14:42 The fountain, yes. 14:44 All right. 14:44 So I'm kind of taking us down this path because there are so many claims about mitochondria out there. 14:50 And without proper mitochondrion, all chronic disease exists. 14:54 With good mitochondry, a whole lot less exists, so that's just a simplistic statement. 14:59 What about all these supplements?
Exercise, Sleep, and Lifestyle for Mitochondrial Health 15:01 There are a million supplements and a billion, let's say, ingredients that are claimed to be mitochondrial supportive. 15:09 Whether you're talking about CoQ10 or NAD, or for that matter, people lump in butathions and B vitamins. 15:20 What are you seeing with some of these more common mitochondria ingredients? 15:25 Are they effective? 15:26 Do they do anything? 15:27 Yeah. 15:28 No, I think they do. 15:30 I thing they have a role. 15:31 Uh, so what it is that in the absence of good nutrition, these are the nutrition for your mitochondria. 15:41 Okay. 15:42 Now there's two components to this. 15:44 It's the yin and the yang, right? 15:47 You can have X number of mitochondrion and make them function better. 15:53 Yeah. 15:54 But if your, mitochondrial are already depleting, And you make them function better. 16:00 You cannot achieve that better cellular state because you don't have enough mitochondria. 16:06 So when you say depleted, just to clarify, when, you've not used your mitochondrial enough, then they've reduced the number because didn't use it. 16:16 Correct. 16:17 All the supplementation may make what you have worked better, but they don' make new ones. 16:22 But they don't make new ones. 16:23 The only way to do that is either get out and exercise. 16:25 Correct. 16:26 Or some research that you've done has said that this product, which you created. 16:30 Yes. 16:30 Can do. 16:31 Exactly. 16:32 And that was the goal of the thing. 16:34 So to preface that, let me say that eight, 20 to 21 is when you'll have peak mitochondrial level. 16:44 That is up until then your body is growing. 16:47 Think about that growth as internal exercise, Your bones are growing, your muscles are going, Your brain is growing and the body needs the energy internally 16:57 to grow. 16:58 At age about 20, 21, you stop growing. 17:00 From then on, You lose about 10th to 15% mitochondria naturally every decade. 17:09 That's called aging. 17:11 Okay. 17:12 What if you're exercising and doing those things? 17:14 Then you can slow it down. 17:15 Okay? 17:16 So, but most of us do. 17:18 But then there are other components. 17:19 Your bad diet, your other things, diseases will cause mitochondrial decrease even more. 17:27 Right? 17:27 Yeah. 17:30 Now what happens often is that either you're not able to exercise or you don't exercise enough. 17:36 And that was the fundamental question we were asking that how does the body make new mitochondria when you exercise? 17:47 So, all right, let's just go with that. 17:51 With 16 years of mitochondrial research, What would you say are the three things that you've learned to create the most mitochondrial growth? 18:01 Well, actually I could shell it down to one, exercise. 18:05 Well yeah, but we've said that one of the top three. 18:10 Eat good food to protect the ones you have, right? 18:15 But I can tell you that nature gave you this resource to use to live health and gave. 18:22 You a one reason is use it or lose it. 18:25 Okay. 18:27 There is no real other way. 18:28 Yeah. 18:30 Other is all temporary. 18:31 The real way is to. 18:35 So exercise is number one. 18:37 It's the thing that grows them, but I know with your product, you've talked about. 18:43 You found an ingredient that actually causes mitochondrial growth. 18:46 And what is that? 18:47 So it's called epicatechin. 18:50 Now the reason is, that what we were able to figure out is the mechanism under which your body makes more mitochondria when you exercise. 19:02 We're the first ones to identify a new human steroid that the mitochondrion make. 19:10 when you exercise. 19:12 So when your exercise, mitochondria put out this steroid, it is a signal to the cell, let's make more mitochondrion because there's an energy demand. 19:26 This signal goes to nucleus, and between the nucleus and the mitochondry cells now make mitochondrial without cell division. 19:37 And this particular steroid is the key signal that comes out of the mitochondria when you exercise to initiate this process. 19:47 This natural product we figured out exists in green tea and cacao. 19:54 And we fished it out with that and we studied its properties, both in human studies and preclinical studies to show exactly what it does. 20:04 It does exactly, what that steroi does, So this follows the mechanism of generating mitochondria without you having to exercise. 20:17 So if you imagine kids who cannot, who have primary mitochondrial disease or elderly folks or even young ones or the middle-aged people who had chronic diseases, 20:32 And they cannot exercise. 20:34 Supplementation of the mitochondria provides them the bio-energetic resources to address these pathologies. 20:45 And it helps you rebalance your body back to a healthier phenotype. 20:51 We've shown that in multiple clinical studies, in a variety of clinicals studies that if you do that, your bodies tends to respond. 20:59 Because this goes to what you raised early on, the cell danger response.
Supplements, Red Light, and Mitochondrial Support 21:03 When you have a chronic disease, your cells are stuck in that cell, danger, response, and they don't have enough energy to address that self danger to 21:11 come out of it. 21:13 What you're doing is providing them that energy. 21:15 They can address the issue and come outta the self-danger response Well, let's dive into that topic a little bit. 21:23 Let's talk about more of that complex chronic illness state. 21:28 And you said cell danger response, bringing people out of. 21:32 One of the first questions I asked when I saw your product and they're like, well, this is exercising a pill right here. 21:37 This is exercise in a pillow. 21:39 So this just creating a steroid that triggers you to make more mitochondria. 21:45 Therefore you can create more energy. 21:47 I go, what happens to a person that's in so danger of response that with the slightest stimulation. 21:55 I'm not talking about we go and have them do a major workout. 22:01 We give them some significant supplementation change. 22:05 The wind blows funny. 22:07 They put a little red light on their body. 22:10 a few granules of a pill, if they have a degranulation of mast cells that creates a symptom profile where they feel like they're sick, 22:20 they've been getting the flu. 22:22 If I give them something like this that create more energy, and correct me if I'm wrong, but part of what this will also do is when we give this ingredient, 22:36 It's going to tell the cell make more mitochondria and if it can't, then we're going go to apoptosis. 22:41 Is that right? 22:42 So the mitochondrion induces apopptosis, so the apoplectic pathway is when the cells has become dysfunctional, say through a gene mutation. 22:53 Yeah. 22:54 Like a cancer cell. 22:56 So when you do this, and we've shown that in studies, it will stop the tumor from growing. 23:03 Okay. 23:04 Okay? 23:05 And what it does is that peripheral cells of the tumor, as they're maturing, those mitochondria gets forced back into the oxidative normal phenotype. 23:18 And because the gene is mutated, this cell goes into apoptosis. 23:22 Okay. 23:23 All right? 23:24 So you're right. 23:25 The idea here is when the mutation is there, the mitochondrion cannot fix the genetic mutation. 23:34 Right. 23:34 So every day in our body, we create mutant cells every, but we don't get cancer because you're healthy and your mitochondria in those mutated cells induce 23:48 apoptosis and the cells die. 23:50 As those mitochondrial get weaker and are not able to get rid of those mutant cell, those cells incorporate themselves. 24:00 And when they multiply, they multiplied more mutant cells and they keep going faster and faster. 24:05 Now, if you trigger them to create the steroid, then that puts them out of the overproductive gene state. 24:17 Well, and how does that happen is that the cancer cells, because they want to replicate really fast, yeah. 24:27 They tend to burn sugar. 24:29 Okay. 24:30 Rather than fat. 24:32 Humans, mitochondria love to burn fat, but fat processing takes time. 24:38 And these cells want to multiply really fast. 24:41 So they burn sugar and they keep burning sugar. 24:43 Okay? 24:45 And when you induce exercise or this external impulse, you create mitochondrion that wants to go back to burning fat And when as soon as those healthy 24:56 mitochondria level goes up, they induce apoptosis and the cells die.
Epicatechin and Triggering Mitochondrial Growth 25:00 Correct? 25:01 So the main key is what is the fuel there? 25:06 It's the sugar versus fat. 25:09 And so sugar continuously burning is a bad thing. 25:13 That's why if you see epidemiologically, people with diabetes tend to have worse cancer outcomes. 25:22 Yeah. 25:22 Right. 25:23 People who exercise regularly have less cancer. 25:26 Yeah, right. 25:28 So those things are known because it's the, when you have diabetes, you'll have extra glucose for the cells to burn. 25:38 Interesting. 25:39 so if I give this to somebody that's that extremely hypersensitive state and it triggers a shift away from sugar into a shift in the fat and the cells 25:55 that were damaged due to let's say uranium, radium, mold toxicity, all the junk in world that we bring in, those cells are likely going to head toward 26:06 apoptosis because we shifted them out of the negative pattern. 26:08 Exactly. 26:10 I guess my concern is If I do that and they're already in this state of hyperreactivity, if we slow dose up with your ingredient, 26:20 it's going to go, we just have to pace it at the right pace to get enough turned out of cell danger response. 26:26 Yeah. 26:27 So on that one, there's an interesting phenomenon in our body called cellular hormesis. 26:33 Okay. 26:34 All right. 26:36 Cells have a hermetic control. 26:40 that each cell within the different tissue has a balanced state of existence. 26:48 Okay. 26:49 And what that means is that if you try to go beyond that, the cells will resist. 26:55 Yeah. 26:55 All right. 26:57 The prime example of hermesis is things like, say, your body temperature. 27:03 Your body, basal body's temperature is 98.4 degrees Fahrenheit. 27:10 It's the mitochondria that maintain it. 27:14 Exquisitely. 27:15 Because just 0.6 degrees Fahrenheit higher at 99 degrees, Fahrenheit, you're already feeling febrile. 27:23 Not well. 27:24 At 100 degrees you have a full-blown fever. 27:27 And what happens is that is done by the Mitochondria. 27:31 to affect infection because it's stating the body base and temperature to address an infection. 27:38 That's when you get the temperature. 27:40 So if you think about these other contaminants or insults that have come in, that has gone in and you apply the system, and we have shown this. 27:48 If you take too much of it, it stops working. 27:52 It's the same thing. 27:53 Exercise to a limited is healthy for you. 27:56 Beyond that, either it won't work. 28:00 or it'll be damaging to you. 28:03 Correct. 28:03 So finding out what your hermetic stress level and tolerance is with this or something else is going to be key. 28:10 Yeah. 28:10 But you said it will stop working. 28:12 Let's say I have a very sensitive person. 28:14 I pour a bunch of it into a cup and they drink it. 28:17 It can only go to its threshold or will that take somebody too far? 28:22 No, it won't take them too far. 28:23 It just won' hurt them. 28:26 Okay. 28:26 So the part about this molecule is that it wont hurt you. 28:32 But if you take too much of it. 28:34 It won't help you. 28:36 And that's why we spent many years pre-clinically and clinically to understand what is a good dose. 28:43 So you don't have to be at the ideal dose range. 28:46 You have ideal dosage, you have be in a Good dose Range. 28:50 But it's the same thing when you go exercise, right? 28:53 It's not like there's a prescription, whether you should do 10 reps or 20 reps. 28:58 You figured out for yourself, what's your body's best rep, right?
Cell Danger Response, Apoptosis, and Chronic Illness 29:03 We did similar studies and what we found that for normal adults above 35, 40 kilos, you're looking at a hundred milligrams a day. 29:14 If you below that, it's 50 milligrams ago. 29:18 And what that does is that keeps you in that quadrant. 29:22 the top 10 percentile, 15 percentiles where you will respond to it. 29:27 Now, remember one thing also that it's not one and done because your mitochondria have a half life. 29:34 They're not there forever. 29:35 Each cell, you have mitochondrial today and they have half a life, anywhere between 28 days to 30 days or 40 days, depending on the cell type. 29:45 So the cells have to turn over mitochondrion and make new one just to live. 29:51 So even if you don't exercise, there's still energy requirement of your body. 29:57 So if I'm dealing with some of that's pans pandas, autistic, mast cell, chronic Lyme. 30:05 What you just said to me is very interesting because if your turning over your mitochondria every 28 days, but these people oftentimes have gotten sick 30:13 enough that they're not very high functioning physically, so they are not exercising. 30:18 But those mitochondrial that are damaged. 30:21 are going away and being remade. 30:23 So there's hope that if we can just start moving the needle to start pushing a little bit, you're going to get new tissue every month. 30:31 Every month you should be able to take a step forward and a stop forward. 30:36 And with them using this product to help have that steroid production to create new mitochondria, getting them into exercise as quickly as you can get 30:47 them out there to doing it. 30:48 Of course, feeding them appropriately, keeping them away from the antibacterial things that can damage mitochondrion are all going to be a piece of the 30:58 pie that helps to pull somebody out of that. 31:00 And I agree as a clinician, these are huge pieces of a puzzle. 31:04 But as we're getting close to the end here, I'm curious, have you done many studies with the populations I just mentioned? 31:12 PANS, PANDAS, autism, what are you seeing? 31:14 Yeah, so we are doing studies. 31:16 So we looked at ME, CFS patients. 31:19 We've looked that other dystrophic patients, primary mitochondrial patients I I am not sure some of the clinicians have looked Pans, 31:29 Pandas or not. 31:31 I think we've look at Lyme disease patients and yes, we see a response. 31:38 And now this is not a big study because it's all open label observational studies, but to the point you're made is absolutely correct because they have 31:50 an external insult to their mitochondria, so the cellular infection. 31:54 And since they cannot move, they're spiraling down. 31:56 All right. 31:59 And if you can give them some help to combat, your body, I mean, this is a word coined by a good colleague of mine, Professor Bob Naviel called saligenesis. 32:12 Your body has an inherent capacity to heal itself. 32:17 Okay. 32:19 It is when it loses that capacity is, when chronic diseases show up or infectious become chronic disease. 32:27 Yeah. 32:27 All right. 32:29 It may not be cured of the disease itself. 32:32 So, but it will help you address the comorbidities or help with your natural life. 32:42 In short, our podcast is this sentence. 32:46 Chronic disease and infections is the absence of mitochondrial regeneration. 32:53 And particularly mitochondria depletion and dysfunction. 32:58 Love it. 32:59 Well, how do people find more out about your product and who you are?
Clinical Applications and Where to Learn More 33:03 So you can go to our website, BlueOakNX.com. 33:09 We have a lot of literature. 33:12 we are very clinically, scientifically driven. 33:16 There's an email. 33:20 If you send us a note, we'd love to talk with you. 33:23 But one of the things we're doing is really giving the product a very serious clinical scientific base also, so that we also fully understand. 33:37 For example, we are doing six plus clinical studies right now, everything from muscle teostotes and osteotosis to myopathies, 33:48 and we going to continue to look at that. 33:50 We're working with clinicians as our lead advocates because we want to make sure that people who use this product have a third party, 33:59 independent party also making an assessment. 34:02 But we also have people, who do it for their own health. 34:07 I take it myself. 34:10 And that's how you learn more about us. 34:14 I love it. 34:15 Well, I really appreciate you giving us your time and thank you so much. 34:22 Thank you for tuning in to redefining wellness with Dr. 34:24 Javen. 34:25 If this episode spoke to you, please follow and share this podcast with someone who is ready to take control of their chronic health symptoms. 34:33 Also, consider leaving a review. 34:35 It helps more people find the show. 34:37 See you here again.
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