The Shine Protocol

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Rodger. My pleasure. And again, being on CNN and Fox and all those things, that’s nice. But the main thing that qualified me to be involved in this area is back in medical school in 1975, I came down with Post-Viral Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. It knocked me out of medical school, left me homeless. I was sleeping in parks in Tulsa. And when I got to, I’d wander over to Oral Roberts just to see what was going on there. And people are sweet as can be sometimes. I got fed, but homeless. Sleeping in parks with this disease is how I really learned about the illness and how myself, how I learned to recover from it. My key focus for the last four or five years has been researching and writing about effective treatments for this illness. And this is now a very, very, very treatable illness. I published double blind placebo controlled study showed that 91% of people improve with a 90% increase in quality of life with the treatments we’re going to talk about today. So whether you have general fatigue, CFS or fibromyalgia or even long COVID, we are going to teach you how to get your life back today.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Wonderful. Fantastic. So I got to ask, because we were talking a little bit before we started the recording, what’s the connection between chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, now long hauler? There’s a thread that weaves through these three conditions. Right?

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Well, there’s a big difference between CFS and formal myalgia. If you go to a medical office building and you go to the infectious disease doctor’s office and come out, you’re going to have a diagnosis of chronic fatigue syndrome. If you walk right next door into the archeologists office and come out, you’ll have a diagnosis of fibromyalgia. So for most people, if there is widespread pain and shakiness, it’s the same thing. Basically, these conditions represent an energy crisis where you took a circuit breaker called the hypothalamus, the brain. We’ll talk about that as we go on. Numerous things, numerous fungal infections, numerous other infections can throw up that circuit breaker. COVID is just one more of a long line. So Long-Covid is simply Post-Viral chronic fatigue syndrome. But it does have the kicker that we will see more specific organ damage. Sometimes heart’s a collapsed lung, sometimes brain that needs to be addressed or other things. So we’ll talk today about specific things for long COVID, but then the overall shine protocol, sleep hormones, infection and nutrition exercise we’re going to talk about. We have our peak very effective for long COVID as well.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Do you see now I know you’re getting out of active practice. You’re doing a lot of research, which I’m excited to hear about. But are you hearing from other practitioners that long hauler that those are fibromyalgia or more likely to be vulnerable to long, long hauler, COVID?

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

While the people who but here’s the thing, the people that I treat or have treated before I retired in November were no more likely than anybody else. I mean, they would get it, but they would get a little bit of they get a flare. And that’s okay because we’ll just give them a quick turn up and they’d be fine. Yeah. So but I suspect that people who had it, who are not being treated, which means they were just on the ropes and were more vulnerable and were more likely to get knocked out of the ring when they got the long running out to COVID.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah, you know, I guess I’m kind of tainted in a way that what I’m hearing is from patients that actually been on my protocols, which are similar to yours, and they seem to do fairly well, although I do see, you know, quite, quite a number of long haulers right now. It can we go in and talk a little bit about some of the protocols for long haul and then we’ll get into Shine because I’d like to kind of Bob, while that’s fresh on our conversation list right here, I don’t know about you, but I’m seeing that some of my patients who have done really well in the past, I’m getting contacted them saying, oh, Dr. Murphree, I’ve had this flare, I’ve got long hauler and I’ve got, you know, I’ve got a few patients with kidney damage, which you know, the cytokine, you know, attack, the storm attacked and they were told that, you know, you’re going to have to have dialysis. We turn that around, you know, with the right protocols. And they go back to urologists after a bit of time. They’ve been told they’re fine. But there is a growing list of folks who have fibro. And, as you said, get this flare they develop long hauler and but there’s some you know, as you know all too well, you teach them teach this. There’s there’s protocols that work very well for this condition.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Mm hmm. So let’s take a look at the long haulers, the crappiest diagnostic label in history. Pretty close, because basically it says anything, any symptom. Right. Persists more than 2 to 3 months after the disease, whether it’s loss of smell or whether a bed bound with competition syndrome or whether you have kidney failure, it’s all the same disease. No, it’s not. Okay. You have to treat each plaque separately to, number one, those if it was shortness of breath, it’s usually not dangerous unless you had shock, longer cardiomyopathy from a heart attack or something like that. Easiest things. Email me my write down my email address. It’s a fatigue effort. You’ll D.O.C. like Dr. Fatigue. Dr. Malcolm, ask for the shortness of breath information sheet. We take an hour to talk about that. It’ll talk about what to do, how to tell all of that. So you won’t be sitting there scared witless and you’ll know what to do. 

The shackling again. The general thing is, I want to do what I’m going to turn off the inflammation. I’m going to use something called Cura Med, which is a highly absorbed curcumin. Yeah. Shut down the cycle oxygenates. I’m going to use Boswell here to shut down the low x inflammation system. So I’ll even a combination called cure. I’ve been have both together regular cooking humans not absorbed enough. I will turn off the hour by accident the oxidative cascade with the antioxidant clinical glue to file. I want to shut down the two key arms that are driving up. There’s a coagulation arm to it. That’s a little long for the talk today, but we’ll adjust that in the more severe cases. I’m going to go with those two for about three months. That makes a nice big difference. I will go with low dose naltrexone by prescription from a compounding pharmacy for the brain fog, if that’s a precedent for my critically ill activation. So that’s a general thing for those of you who really had heart disease, most chest pain in this disease is not cardiac alone. It’s from the tight muscles, trigger points and tight muscles of the chest all through. Push over the rib and reproduce the pain. It’s muscle pain that’s myofascial pain. But the if there’s a real cardiac injury I’m going to go have if you look at my cure’s A to Z for now it’s a free options to to back up great but for the heart disease all the information from the free app I’ll look up heart disease it’ll go through a recipe that dramatically improves cardiac function. So if you have the heart failure, how do you know whether it’s ribose content, gluten free vitamins, magnesium, hawthorn, all these things that dramatically improve cardiac function, easy to do, six weeks. Most people be feeling a lot better. So for those components, I would go with that. But what I’d love to hear, Rodger, what do you do for kidney failure?

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Well, so what it turns out is a combination. This patient had lupus years ago, along with their fibro. And I had helped her get over that. She’d been in remission for seven years. And it turns out she moved into a moldy house a year ago. And it was just the combination of the mold, toxins and the coating that that was the the storm, you know, was the straw that broke the camel’s back. So I got her on paektu of if you’re familiar with Isaac Elias, he wrote a book called The Paradox The Paradox Dilemma, The Paradox Dilemma. But it’s all about the cell danger theory, basically, really kind of what it is. But his research shows that one of the things that happens is we have this chemical called Galectin three, which is turned on anytime the body feels threatened. So it’s a positive thing. 

I mean, I’ve got a broken wrist right now. So it’s part you know, when you got inflammation, it’s good and bad. But for some folks, especially with COVID, it never turns off. So it was a combination of the more toxins in the colon and it started to, you know, affect your kidney cells. But this paektu saw that in helping her with the activated charcoal and binders and liposomal gluten, Dr. Shoemaker’s mole protocol turned around and in a month. So I was shocked. She was shocked. And then I had a second patient, very similar hers. It turns out it wasn’t mold. She’d had an accident and that center in the flare. And then she had this thing, that same thing put her on the Paektu Sol modified citrus pectin and it totally turned her around. I still think I can figure out.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

That how to get the kidney failure because guess I’m not. I don’t have a lot for so. Well, thank you.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Your life. It was amazing. I mean, I told her, you know, we’re going do everything we can. I’m going to you know, but we got her on that and and both of their urologists when they went back said, I know what you’re doing, but keep it up. So you’re telling them they were telling you you’re going to be you know, you’re going to have a dialysis and all this stuff. That’s where you’re headed in the next year or two and scared of death.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

So the modified citrus pack then.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

I think that was a key that in both of them one of them had the mole. What I think was a big part of it to the other was just the drama. So for those of you listening, we’re not going to talk too much about Mole today, like that’s a whole other show. And you feel richer and healed ethanol or any of those. But for those who are worried about when you suspect mole, if you have some beer anxiety, I mean, it’s kind of unnatural anxiety and severe sensitivities. You know, the things in the environment.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Think Mole. There’s a book called Toxic by Dr. Neal Nathan, which is awesome. My book Nod32 Fantastic, has a large section on substantive to everything. We’ll talk about cell activation, food sensitivities and mole toxins. It’s all laid out in there. So I don’t want to go too far into that because that’s yeah.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

That’s easy. Yeah, we could talk an hour, Neal. And actually, Neal, Dr. Nathan is going to be on the summit at all. His work is dynamite. Yeah, yeah. So, so less so. Now, one thing you mentioned earlier, before we started recording is some of the prescription things you’d also recommend. And one of those is ivermectin. You know, and I think we need to put that out there and let people know that we’re both in agreement, that there’s a time and place for that medication.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Whether people come in with long COVID or even post vaccine coverage when they get I’m not anti-vaccine, I’m just for vaccines being used wisely, which we don’t always do. And I do see people coming in post COVID vaccine with long COVID. It makes no sense that the ivermectin would work, but it works brilliantly. 27 milligrams a day, usually a little less of a person is always under 120 pounds for five days. Repeat as needed. I can’t explain why it would work. I just have found that applies and it works really well. So one of my mentors was Doctor Janet Travel. She was White House physician for president, a kind of chain kind of thing. Well, the trigger point manual and see what these first see what is don’t try to explain it to see what’s happening. And you can try to explain it because if you only see what you understand and most of what’s happening here. So my politics, I’m either right or left. I think a healthy society is 40% of people are reversed ability or conservative 40% like change their liberal and like a tree. Well the roots and growing edges a healthy tree as well 40% of each with 20% of the bottle as independents. I’m kind of in the independent range. Yeah. So I don’t have a political ax to grind the research. Contrary to the misinformation that’s been staggering out there, the ivermectin does work. I, I had covid, i took it. I use it for people with COVID. It seems to shorten the disease and improve outcomes. The research shows that does to the just the studies are underpowered or best designed. The ones that are signed properly show that it works.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah well so puts you on the spot. We ain’t talked about this at all that. What do you think about Paxil slogan do you think that that is?

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

I think in elderly people with high risk factors who don’t mind the risk of that coming back later. Yeah, I think it’s a reasonable medication. The other medication by the other company was that creates mutations is utter insanity. I’m happy to see I don’t want to name names because I don’t think in a libel suit, but I’m happy to see that that medication is dying. Excellent. That’s a reasonable medication. But I didn’t take it when I had COVID. I have a very nice four day benign course. I took the ivermectin, I took Pepcid, I stayed hydrated, had my Kindle, and it was a very enjoyable four days.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Now, you mentioned Pepcid, which is interesting because I have for years and I don’t even know where I got this protocol for shingles where you take Tagamet. So you take Tagamet, which blocks the replication of the viruses at the same thing with Pepcid.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Pepcid and talk about and the Zantac all is still on the market. How powerful immune modulating effects which is why it’s very good for Epstein-Barr virus and for the COVID virus. It helps the immune system kick the viruses out. So again, I, when I, I think 20 milligrams of 40 milligrams twice a day during the symptoms and people will and the book and we’ll talk about how to treat Epstein-Barr virus more found or Celebrex combined with the overall side protocol that let’s go ahead Brilinta but the Pepcid can be helpful without as well.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah. So let’s talk about our favorite subject, which is fibromyalgia and so years have, you know, 45 years. I think it should be 50 years. I don’t know. You don’t look like you know, what you start practicing when you’re six.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

I’m sorry, I’m 31.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

There you go. So you’ve you have pioneered a lot of the protocols that people have put into place. Unfortunately, we don’t still have enough physicians that really understand fibromyalgia. Don’t we don’t have enough of them. But let’s talk about your shine protocol. Let’s talk a bit about that. So where is that? Is I going to start with sleep?

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Yeah. So let’s go ahead. I mean, because for those who’d like good research driven protocols, the Shine Protocol was studied on a randomized, double blind, placebo controlled study. The P-value was less than 2.0001 for the primary outcome measures and for all for outcome measures. The degree of effect was up 91% of people approved, with an average 90% increase in quality of life. Using Shine, a Shine stands for sleep hormones, immunity and infections. Nutritional support for the H. It’s also hypertension was like parts and things like that done small use exercise as enable not this big heavy exercise craziness. So it’s going to trigger pulses of malaise. But that wasn’t a study that both treatment group and placebo group got to see walking, maintain conditioning. So the rest of the protocol was highly effective. So proving not only is this very treatable, but it also treat approves. That’s a very real disease. Placebo group did not do well.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah so sleep is where I start. Everybody. I really believe if you don’t get that right, you just can’t get any traction whatsoever. But and it only makes sense if you’re not sleeping through the night, you’re going to be tired. You’re going to have brain, you know, fibro, fog. You’re going to you increase your inflammatory chemicals by 40% is what the research shows. Low moods, weight gain. I mean, it just the list goes on and on. You’ve got to get that right. Right.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Absolutely. And your immune system will suffer for lack of sleep. One of the most powerful ways to immune suppressing animals, sleep deprived. So what happens in five of myalgia is that you blew you had an energy crisis where you took the circuit breaker called the hypothalamus an almond sized area right below this sur. It controlled sleep hormones and autonomic function at the last one. Not at all. Because when you stand up a big bag of water, lots of blood down to our legs, the autonomic systems. What, Stanford? Back up to heart, brain and lungs. So the all three of those areas are not working. So sleep number one, how do you get sleep when your sleep something’s not working? There’s certainly you want to use good hygiene, but there’s not a sleep hygiene issue. I will get melatonin. I’ll give up epi, a 20 sustained release, ten milligram melatonin, a sort of take myself at bedtime and I will also use a mix of herbs called the revitalizing sleep formula as another mix of essential oils called prefixes. 

All of these can be taken together and a book goes through, well, dozens literally of things. For the medications I will use trazodone 25 to 50 milligrams, gabapentin 100 or so. You know, some of are saying, well, I tried it out and made me feel like crap that don’t do so I but a whole bunch of others of you will I’ve tried it and find that it works. Flex to all of these are three very at low dose these are good things to begin with Ambien for initiating sleep can be helpful transitions I know but a can’t be helpful so what the key thing is that if you try want to get one thing to get you sleep all night you have to get such a high dose it will knock it out of your body to late afternoon and you’ll be hungover all day. Or if you use a tiny dose of five, six, seven things, just a very low dose, each of them is out of the body by morning and they can go up to get this sleeping during the night. But they’re cleared out the next morning, so you’re not hungover. That’s what works best for people with this almost.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah. So I’m more of the more natural approach for there’s definitely a time and a play, no doubt about it. When push comes to shove, my patients say, Well, Dr. Murphree, I don’t want to take anything that’s a prescription are. But you know what? If you’re not sleeping, you’re going to be miserable. So there is a time and a place, you know. So. All right. So we talk a bit about the importance of sleep and then the next one is hormones. So let’s talk about those.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Okay. So first of all, the blood tests, medical board suck people. Most doctors have no idea what the normal range for blood test comes from or it means. Yeah, I think that while the test is normal range, there is an organization of wise, older or big white beards out here. And Assad looked look through all the research and said, well, you know, if this test falls in this vein, there’s no problem. But the person and the impression were given a med school never overtly said it. And finally, after about ten, 20 years medicine, I said, where the hell did they come up with these things? But I looked it up and the national labs now what they do is they take 100 healthy people, they do the test and it’s two standard deviations. The 95 in the middle are defined as normal, and then the highest and lowest amount, Apple said, are abnormal. You put that an easier to understand terms. If I wanted to make a medical normal range for shoe sizes, it would be size 5 to 13. If I wanted a normal range for income, an income of 80 $100 a year would be normal. Poverty, 16,000. So that something is normal doesn’t mean it’s okay. And your doctor says normal range. 

Give them a size six shoe. Tell them this isn’t the normal range. Please wear this one explicitly. Understand how I feel, but that’s kind of the same thing. It’s normal range is helpful to know the test. You know we’re out of 100 people a person is but they got to go buy symptoms. Thyroid tests is the most worst deadly piece of crap test that I’ve ever seen in 50 years of medicine. When you have hypothalamic dysfunction, it is a useless test. Yeah, simply this is from the key research in fibromyalgia and thyroid. I asked him point blank. We were lecturing together. Is TSA unreliable? And fibromyalgia, professor? I got. Then he said, Absolutely not. And he’s right. So how do I treat how do I diagnose thyroid tired, achy weight gain cold, intolerant, unexplained negativity, miscarriages, constipation, any two of those. I’m going to give a trial of thyroid and fibromyalgia. I’ll try different forms. I will adjust it what feels best. I will not adjust it based on the TSA. I will adjust it. And as long as typically T4 test, although that hormone is not and the upper 20% of the normal range, I’m fine adjusting to 12 feels that will keep it safe. I don’t care if the T4 is low. Yeah. Adrenal. And that’s our stress handler. 

How do I diagnose that? Well, I do the blood tests, of course, during a mock panel for all these things. Yeah, but the way I diagnose low adrenal is do you get hangry, irritable when hungry? Get these, feed me now or I’ll kill your moments if you’re not sure after your problem. Don’t get irritable while you’re in a foghorn and you’re fired. When you get start getting hungry. They’re all hiding the closet. Yeah. So adrenal plex. Nice, simple mix, support, optimize, adrenal function. I will use very low dose quote at all, which is quite safe, up to 20 milligrams a day. Higher doses a problem. And estrogen, progesterone, if your symptoms are for about 40 years old and her symptoms are fibro symptoms are worse around your menses. I will consider bioidentical hormones regardless of that.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah, I think it’s great that you bring that up about the testing because I think that a lot of people on this one, one of the things that I hear is all my tests came back normal. So what’s the matter with me, you know, and it comes back normal. What? What’s normal? I mean, you just share with us there. It’s really it’s it’s it’s different for everybody. So William Rodgers, I think, May missed his first name, who worked with Sherak and actress Raskin here at University of Alabama. Very and did a lot of research on nutrition and individual nutrients that are needed. It was different on the inside as we’re on the outside. And so because it had one person needs 800 milligrams of magnesium, which is a natural muscle relaxer, relaxes the colon to have a bomb, and another person can take 100 milligrams and they can get out of the bathroom. So there’s a difference there that has to be and that’s part of what we do figure out what’s optimal for that individual. And the testing can really kind of clown that sometimes.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

The testing doesn’t tell you I can give you a shoe size of nine that’s in the normal range, but it cost me nothing.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

If some absolute guide without looking at the person measuring their foot, you know if a person is a size nine and they’re five foot tall, £10 and they say, my shoe feels big. Yeah, no, I think it’s big if they’re a six foot £8,320 and they say, my foot, my shoe feels tight, that same size nine shoe, I’m going to presume a small.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah, yeah, but I find about 70% of the patients that I work with have something wrong with your thyroid. Either they’re on the wrong medication or they’re not properly diagnosed. They have Hashimoto’s has never been properly diagnosed, not been properly treated. So I think it’s a big issue for fibro and I’m trying to think of the you probably know, but I just can’t having a memory loss blank moment here Dr. Lahoud past several years ago we wrote a big textbook that I got through years.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Ago.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

John. John. And he did a lot of research on how to pull all of that together and that really kind of early. It was helpful for me to see that and start using thyroid with my patients and get some good results.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

He was right on the mark that a lot of people have thyroid receptor resistance to have very high dose of T3. Let’s say we could do a whole talk show on thyroid. The book goes through each of the different kinds of thyroid treatment and protocols and will make everybody want people to do it now.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

So we did ask for sleep, but at age four, hormones, which is several, we.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Just went through hypertension. The second stage of especially long COVID, that autonomic dysfunction is a major player. What happens is, like I say, stand up, light goes to your legs, it stays there. And this is your last two units of blood. So most doctors don’t even think of it on the testing. Once you’ve had the disease for five years, the testing is not reliable. But there are. There’s a Mayo Clinic Journal quiz you can do at home and a simple pulse test you can do at home. That’s very easy. That is an excellent screening for orthostatic intolerance spots and I may pick a name if you email me at Fatigue D.O.C. Fatigue Doc catching a welcome ask for the low blood pressure sheet. I will send you that in the article on long and CFS and Fibro. It’ll have the two tests. It’ll also tell you how to take care of that. So like I said, that’s a whole hour, but it’s a form. Do you feel what.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Do you find that goes hand in hand with adrenal fatigue? I mean, that’s kind of one of the ways that screen is a sport, this orthostatic pressure test lying down and standing up and then also looking in a mirror shot, you know, cover when I shine a light.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Yeah.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

That’s a little trick, too. I mean, I do. I’m like you. I did the blood work. I did the saliva test, but those are nice little tests to see how people are doing and absolutely kind of get an idea of where they’re at. All right. So now we’re on to infections. Yeah.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Yeah. So again, there are dozens of infections that I got covered. We talked about a bit. Most common infections would be one Candida overgrowth. There was no test. I would give a nickel for that. How do I tell nasal congestion post nasal drip, chronic sinusitis, irritable bowel syndrome, gas, bloating, diarrhea, constipation? That tells me the person has candida. I will give them a natural antifungal like berberine botox. I’ll put them on a good probiotic. I like the pearls I lead, but there’s many good ones and I will put them on the flew, count the medication 200 milligrams a day for 6 to 10 weeks. Yeah, I at least three day courses. Nothing. Not do anything. Yeah. With us. And you’ll see that about week five, this whole thing starts clearing the gutters, clearing symptoms improve. I sometimes have to go slow because people will flare when you kill off infections so the candidates and is one of the major infections post Lyme. 

There’s no real test that’s reliable for chronic Lyme. I will go based on symptoms and instead of giving the diagnosis of chronic Lyme which can be health I’m going to give, are they to do they have antibiotic sensitive or they’re likely to improve with antibiotics? And instead of doing the tests that aren’t reliable, what I will look at is are they allergic to three or more different, unrelated antibiotics and nothing else or almost nothing else? That’s not allergy. That’s another die off action. Do they have low grade fevers? Do they have chronic lung congestion? Do they get scalp scabs? That’s a marker for some reason that they improve visitor AMAX. Do they have a history of taking an antibiotic like after dental work or something? And chronic fatigue syndrome, in a way, blows my mind after all these people have come on. Well, I took a little bit of a box so on after my dental work, my kind of he used around one went away for a week and I said, Well, did they put you back? I don’t know why.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

So that kind of a history, I’m going to go with the antibiotic, six months even. But others need it viral. Do they have an answer to the viral illness to their chronic flu like symptoms? I’m going to be going. And those you’re going to see, especially the orthostatic hypotension of that group, blood pressure, that’s when they stand out. I’m going with a former Celebrex protocol. This is all in the book was kind of laid out. An information sheet will give a good bit of it that’ll be setting out. So these are all things you have to look at the different infections and treat them parasites. If you have a lot of gas, you can fill a weather balloon, but not much of a small usually. Candido, if you have a lot of gas. Andrew Mom, a silent. But at least in grade school, that’s sulfur like smell. Yeah, that’s bacterial or parasitic. A small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, which at the end of the day very often comes from low fibroid, oddly enough, triggering decreased flow in the intestines. Appalls that doesn’t wash. All the bacteria downstream in the large intestine builds up in the small intestine. And that’s why don’t you keep getting SIBO coming back. You need your thyroid optimized.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah how do you so easy access to everybody for four years and I’m with you I’m not sure that’s always accurate. It’s not a test in two ways. One with a stool test so they can culture it. And then the other was a food allergy test just to see if they have a reaction to it. But push comes to shove. It’s all about taking a good history and listening and in having the intuitive wherewithal to know, okay, this is what’s going up. But I find that most of my patients have problem with yeast. Now, the other thing I see as a lot of times is a history of Epstein-Barr bad case of mono as an adolescent, and that can rear its ugly head as they get older and.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

They never felt quite the same after.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah, they’re.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Able to walk but they weren’t in the sports so much softer as never never quite recovered.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah so with these folks that have these conditions you’re trying to use from natural or you try to go more natural than.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

I start.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Natural cycle of era Valtrex or some of these other I mean there’s a time and place for those but.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

I go natural but that I will I basically I what I call comprehensive medicine. I use the best of both and again you have the biochemical which is natural to four main arms of healing bio includes biochemical which is herbals, nutrients and medications. It includes the structural which will include things like surgery, chiropractic, other forms of manipulation, myofascial release. You’ve got the biophysics, which is like acupuncture and frequency specific microcurrent. Then you’ve got the mind body components and you need to address all four of those. And I’m going to use as many in that toolkit as I can add. You may have more of the structural training to go along with the biochemical training. I have some of the biophysics come out and everybody has their own mix of what they bring to it. Yeah, right. Everybody to bring the best mix that they have, that’s when people get better.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Don’t you think that has a lot to do to it? Just with hope. I mean, you know, it really has no hope.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

No.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

You know, I’m I’m I’m dead in the water, right? I mean, so they got you. They got to have hope. And part of that is being able to share with them. You understand what they’re going through, right?

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Yeah. Once they get I mean, I just describe I have chronic fatigue syndrome, like not about school left me homeless people and ask, how do I know what pain, how do I understand the pain? Fog is difficulty, reward, finding words, substitution or short term memory. Because I have that, how do I understand it? It feels like you’re on the deck of a ship of the disequilibrium that under. In assets. Yes, I had it. How do I understand? So, you know, once they get the they’re understood and heard. But here’s the next thing. Can you imagine if we went to an old voodoo celebration, had somebody in robes, came in and the fire is going, you will not get better. You are hopelessly. They will be dead forever. You will never. That’s called putting a curse on somebody. I don’t care what the person has shaman robes, you know, in a voodoo ceremony or has a white coat and a voodoo academic ceremony when the person says there is nothing anybody can do for you, tell them, thank you for letting me know. There’s nothing you can do for me. I want to go find somebody who can help me out now. Goodbye. And if you go to Doctor Who implies I don’t know what’s wrong with you, so you must be crazy and applies that to the family. And you, I recommend you get up very nicely, walk over to they’re towering over them, some on the top of the head and say thank you very loudly so they can here in the waiting room for letting me know right away what an abusive idiot you are so I don’t waste my time with you. Walk out, take your family with you, slam the door, look at everybody in the waiting room and say that doctor is an abusive quack. I would leave now. Gulp. There’s no excuse for somebody saying or implying. I don’t know what’s wrong. You’re crazy. It is totally not acceptable. It is abuse of. No.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah. It always blows me away that folks will stick with a doctor for a decade. And when I ask him, okay, well, what is he or she done for you over the last decade? Nothing. I mean, it’s one drug after the next with no really results. And then they hear about your work or my work or Jennifer Lipton, somebody that’s really in this field, you know, working with fibromyalgia. And we choose to use a mix of prescription and naturals. And they’re down on that because they’re not up on it. But they want to ask their doctors it okay to take drivers or, you know, to take something over the counter because they’re concerned they may not. And their doctor says, why don’t you think about you shouldn’t take it. This is the same doctor that hasn’t helped him. Or the other thing that drives me crazy is people will say, well, you know that test the doctor title, mom want a mediator? Dr. Murphree wanted me to get in their book. I went to my doctor and asked for He won’t do it yet another doctor. I mean, get it. You got to be your own advocate because if you’re not, you’re just going to be left behind. You’ve got to be your own advocate. You got to be proactive.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

And there’s nothing wrong with your doctor saying, I’m sorry. I don’t know what’s wrong with you.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

I just don’t understand.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Somebody who does. If you come to me for a heart bypass surgery and you say, I want to do that doctor to and I say, I don’t know how to do that. Right. And you say, but here’s the book from Bypass the Fantastic and a Scalpel. I’m still going to say I don’t know how to do that doesn’t make me better, doctor. But if I’m saying there’s no such thing as a human heart, nobody nobody has ever shown me a human heart. It doesn’t exist. It’s like, oh, yeah. So anyway, let’s take a look at nutrition.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

And so let’s look at, I guess, you know, nutrition can be micro or macro. It can be both, right?

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Absolutely. So for the diet, the main thing is increase salt intake. If you salt restrict with this disease, you will crash and burn. Even those with high blood pressure, I will usually increase the salt heart failure or. But high blood pressure is not a hypertensive problem. If you salt restrict horribly with high blood pressure, all you do is drop your blood pressure one millimeter. If you’re Caucasian at three millimeters of your black, it’s negligible. Low potassium causes, high blood pressure, low magnesium less so. But also it’s not a high salt issue. You do not I do not recommend people salt restrict with this disease. They need to eat as much salt their body wants more water, avoid sugar, stevia is fine and then more. Most people do better with a high protein, low carb diet. But go with what feels best to you and use common sense. Put food in your body instead of junk. Yeah. So on a macro level, on a micro level, beyond that, see what feels the best to you? As I’ve mentioned, on a micro level, people ask what nutrient you need and the answer is not vitamin mineral. All of them by definition. There’s a multivitamin called clinical essentials, like how people take two of those a day, plus one via a pro. Those three tablets together give amazing overall nutritional support. I will use something called Smart Energy System, which in our recent study they were getting ready for publication. Now increased stamina, an average of 80%.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Well, fantastic.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

It was amazing. And on another herb called HRT 80 red ginseng has to be the surgery. 80 used to chewables. It’ll cost a quarter as much, just one one half to one tablet days planning and just as needed. Even that increased energy about 60% and a study that we’ve already had published happy to send the link. Study these studies if you want. Yeah, they’ll be great.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

There’s a physician, you may know him. He’s a Ph.D., but again, my brain just being tired from all these interviews today he’s UAB. He’s pretty well known I cannot I just I’m drawing a blank I’m just but he did he did research on ginseng as well. Now, I don’t know how far they advance. You’re obviously very advanced in your, you know, where you are in your research results. But I think there was something they were talking about a couple of years ago. I don’t know how far they got. Yeah.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Yeah. It was the dramatic benefit of I mean, if you look at my desk here, the one thing that I keep on it is my HGH regimens and chewable tablets. So if I’m having a busy day, I just reach over, take half a tablet and it tastes good. My inner child goes, Give me, I want that. So there’s some things people are saying, Well, what are you starting with all this? I would start with the clinical essentials, the associated red ginseng and the smart energy system, and find out and philly.com. I think you’ll find all of these on Amazon. They’re pretty readily available and it’s just, you know, give it six weeks and seeing the improvement that’ll start even just with those can help motivate people to do the rest. But I want to finish up with one more thing, especially those of you. Well, two more things that have a PTSD kind of thing or severe stress, because you’ll find so many of you have lives that are so trustful they could make a movie that would be a drama about everything you’ve gone through. You know, if I gave you my life story, it would be like, no wonder you blew a Fuze. 

You know, I’m part of healing. We talked about the four components biochemistry, biophysics, structural, and the mind body. Well, turning on the autonomic system to the mind body, there are several techniques. My favorite would be things like s rewire by Dabney, for there would be dynamic neural retraining system by Addie Hopper. There’s a Gupta protocol but several one look at all three she was from the language feels more of a fit for you but again it will take two months of regularly doing it. But the effect can be dramatic. It’s funny. In fact, I have a patient who I treated who was so sensitive she couldn’t take anything. And I put her on the nurse and see what she pulled from the tube, which is there. How about a nine, which is a healthy person just with a heart attack? It’s ironic she’s flying at the time asking her husband that I am going out to dinner tonight. I get great.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yes, it’s great.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

It’s so generous and asked why are these things? Yeah. Especially for those who can’t tolerate anything out. It’s a one time fee and that does not ongoing things. It allows you to wean off of many of most of the treatments. A big difference. If you have PTSD, read my book. It’ll go through how to clear the PTSD too. Yeah, but here’s the main thing I want to leave people with today. Rather, if you use the information that I’m giving you, the doctor is giving you that all of us are giving you to help you get well. So you go back to what made you sick in the first. Your body is going to find another way to take you out of the game. But your boss. I said so many people’s I felt so much about. I love you. I felt great. Know what happened. I went back to the crappy job I hated and I got hit by a truck, literally. I’m not kidding. And now I’m out of the game again. So use the energies. You feel better to do things that you love, things that are authentic to you, things that feel good not to be going well. I should do this. I should do that. But good human beings should do this. That’s called shooting on yourself. I’m going to invite you to let that stuff go. Yeah, all those bags of paperwork you haven’t done if he’s not been arrested or homeless for not doing those of throwing them away, you’ll see energy for what feels good for your body loves. Then your psyche will trust you to free up more and more energy safely.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah, that’s beautiful. And, you know, a game changer for me last year was learning in-depth about the cell danger theory and the paradox dilemma, paradox dilemma, where the body, when it feels threatened, you know, it goes overboard. And it’s creating a lot of the symptoms just as a defensive mechanism. So anything you can do to nurture yourself and I talk about our power or half an hour or even a quarter hour power meditation and positive journaling and reading, you know, whether that Scripture or Wayne Dyer, zigzag or whatever, that feeds your soul to allow your you know, to give yourself that nurturing that you so need and deserve. I think that’s a big part of the equation, are putting the puzzle back together and it’s oftentimes neglected never even talked about. And as I get older and in this longer, I see that the people that I can get only so far the way that I get them to the next level is exactly what you’re talking about, is focusing on the mind body. And that’s a big part of the equation.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

Not to do the whole thing. I don’t care if it’s cancer, multiple sclerosis, lupus or chronic fatigue syndrome. You’ve got to treat the whole being so give yourself permission to go with what feels best to you. If it feels better to do one versus the other, start with that goal. But to the multivitamin and the things that feel better with the mind body stuff, you feel better combining the two trust your own instincts, your feels as you see what works for you and you’ll know.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah. So you’ve mentioned so many clinical pearls and things that you’ve talked about. What if you know what’s the best website? They should just go to your website and they can access a lot of this material. Right.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

I’ll give you two sites. Yeah. Three actually. Vitality 101. com. We’ll take you through a three step process that will walk you through it. There’ll be articles that’ll be a quick quiz to confirm how CFS and fibromyalgia. But then there’s also an online quiz. It’s a three hour questionnaire. Analyze your lab, test the and lab tests if you have those available. But you don’t need laptops because sometimes the labs point to the same thing and it’ll tell you and your case these, like I said, I have that you need to buy thyroid nutrition. I’ll tell you what is causing your energy crisis and how to optimize energy production. You can also go straight to the energy analysis program dot com and find a quiz and on first supplements by end fatigue dot com any I’m sorry and like Nancy D like David fatigue AT&T you ecom these are the supplements from companies all over the world that I found to be most helpful. And the people I treat, I carry them. But I think pretty much everything there is readily available everywhere. So, you know, go where it feels comfortable to you. But again, brown batters for different things. So what I noticed notice a specific product like CoQ10, I’m going to use your pharma chewables because 100 milligrams is lot of like 700 milligrams of both coconut channels. We got ginseng, I’m only going to use HKT acetyl carnitine. I don’t much care which brand I’m going to use. Like use whatever good company is cheapest. Yeah. So.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah, yeah. Well, as always, it’s been great. I wish we had more time to dove in as well. We’ll have to. I have to get you on my podcast, too, so I have to do that. Is there anything that you that that we talked briefly before we got down here, and I’m just trying to give you anything else that you want to share as we wrap up our just as we wrap it up here.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

You know, all pain is optional. I’ve almost everybody with chronic pain can be pain free unless they go to an M.D. And of course, our training in pain management, there’s nothing I go to chiropractor. You have much? Not a chance. But the book of Family Fantastic has a large part on it, on how to go through each kind of pain and how to use the best of natural prescription options to get pain free. It’ll explain to you why you’re in pain and how to make the pain go away.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah. Great, fantastic, wonderful. No pun intended, but fantastic. Thanks, Jacob. This has been great, as always. Thank you so much for what you’ve done for the fibromyalgia community. You’ve been really a beacon of light and a world of darkness for so many people. So thank you so much.

Jacob Teitelbaum, MD

My honor and pleasure, Rodger, everybody. You can get well, really, really treatable type to get your life back in.