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  • A deep dive on IV therapy.
  • Dr. Ghen’s go-to for Lyme Disease.
  • Herxing help.
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Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey everybody, it’s Robby Besner and we’re back with the Healthy Hotline, and we’re showcasing our Lyme series, and today I have a amazing guest. He’s one of the smartest guys I know. I think he’s a genius, frankly. He’s my go-to doctor, and my spiritual leader, and and and and and, Dr. Mitch Ghen. He has a clinic in Florida. He specializes in IV therapy, but he’s a keynote speaker internationally, he’s an author, he’s an osteopathic doctor, he’s got a syndicated radio show, he’s got a TV show. I don’t think there’s a thing that Dr. Ghen hasn’t done, and if so, I think I’m just gonna be, he’ll find it and do it. So let me introduce my dear friend, for many years actually, probably three decades, Dr. Mitch Ghen to the Healthy Hotline. How are ya, Dr. Mitch?



Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

Doing good. I like the way you said and, and, and, so I think that’ll be your new way of referring to me, as and. I like that.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Well, it’s either that or so it is, but regardless, it serves you well. So, you know,


Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

Thank you.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

for everybody that’s listening today that may not know you, could you give us sort of a little backdrop of, I know your research background is extensive, so just kinda spend a couple of minutes with a little backdrop of Dr. Mitch, and then bring us forward to what you focus on today in your clinic and kind of in your research and so forth.


Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

Okay, I appreciate that Robby, and thank you so much for having me as one of the 30 people on this 30-day quest to pretty much outline and help folks that have Lyme, which we used to think wasn’t a big deal and now we really know it’s a big deal. So it’s very much appreciated down here. I’ve been doing integrative type medicine for 40, maybe even 41 years at this point. I’ve had the privilege, I’ve written four textbooks for physicians. The only textbook on IV nutrition I know of is the textbook I wrote, which is a very nice place for me to be and I will talk about that in a little bit. 

I have also hosted and listed hundreds of other articles, and of course you know, I do the number one health talk show, which is live and it’s television, in North Carolina, South Carolina and parts of North Georgia, and I have also the very great privilege of being in the Pharmacy department as a clinical assistant professor at Nova Southeastern University where I teach pretty much three to four times a year the post-doc pharmacists, and just, actually just got finished doing a course for them as well, and again, the other thing which I’m very privileged to have is I have lectured and taught probably over 3,000 physicians in my career, this integrative medical space, and also probably have well over 450 doctors that consult and ask me when they themselves have their own personal problems and they call me. So with that, I mean where am I today, I’ve been doing this kind of medicine, as I said, for a very long time. 

I am not just in the Lyme space. I don’t wanna say that I am. I’m not. I mean, I get, typically, the tough cases from all over when other doctors have difficulty with a specific individual case and it may not be Lyme, it could be Lyme, it could be Epstein-Barr, it could be other viruses, it could be cancer, and so I try to put that space where others where they’ve gone to either other integrative doctors and not been able to get answers that they were looking for or they themselves have availed themself of the conventional system, which of course is an important part of mine as well because I am a physician, and when that hasn’t worked, and typically I’m the doctor that tries to look for those areas where there have been failures and hopefully fill those gaps for those individuals, and I do that by utilizing pretty much anything from conventional medicine, repurposed medicine, IV nutritional medicine, hormone replacement, et cetera, et cetera, ’cause as, you know, and I think the folks that are watching this, a disease of any sort does not affect just one system. 

It will affect everything, from a psychological issue all the way down to multiple physiologic issues. And we know the folks that have Lyme, it’s not just the Lyme. It’s the debilitation of a Lyme, it’s the psychological overlie, it’s the pain, it’s the neurologic consequence. It goes down a line, ’cause we know that Lyme, which is in that spirochete category usually isn’t picked up by most until it’s already in stage two, when if we look at syphilis, we’ve known that for a long time. A spirochete is a spirochete, and course syphilis falls into that, and by that point, we’re already way advanced in the disorder by most of the time. 

It’d be great if someone was bit by a tick or something else that transmitted this disease and we immediately took the antibiotic in 48 hours, we’d wipe it out. Unfortunately that’s not the normal case, and so it requires what would I call a multi-prong approach to help these folks to at least be able to not only get better. I love to use the word cure, but, and, but we also wanna use the word, become functional again, to get to their, through their daily activity, to be able to become functional in society, hold a job, not to be depressed, and those are the things that we try so hard to produce, but again, it’s not just a one-prong approach. You can’t just do one thing and expect all the others, you need to do everything simultaneously.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Cool. Wow. By the way, I should’ve said this in the beginning, you can get to Dr. Mitch by just simply, you can write him an email at Dr., D-R, Mitch@mitchghen, spelled G-H-E-N, .com. You can actually call his practice directly at 561-674-0555. It’s a state-of-the-art clinic by the way in Boca Raton, and he does do some telemedicine. It’s limited because he is a practitioner. By the rules, he can work with you virtually and he’ll tell you exactly how far he can go, but certainly that support and coaching is super valuable. He is doing, like he mentioned just briefly, a three-part seminar that’s affiliated with the pharmacy school in Nova University, and you get CEUs, if you are interested in doing that, you can contact his office and there’ll be more information that we’ll post on this to get a hold of him and the things that he’s doing. 

I actually sat in one of his seminars. He did 800 slides in three days. That’s like a world record. I think it’s actually held by Guinness right now. So, amazing, amazing. So Dr. Mitch, I’m a Lyme patient, I’m not feeling great, I just, I’m herxing, and I’m not quite sure the best way to get myself better or feel a little better. Could you offer me a couple of sorta hints or suggestions that could either allow me, from what, I know it’s very specific, Lyme, it affects people differently, but could you give me some kind of fundamental or basic primal kinds of things I can do to maybe prevent myself from getting a herx reaction, or when I do get one, just sort of help myself kinda claw back out? I know it may be a hard question to ask or to ask you because it’s a general question, and it’s specific to the individual, but maybe there are some tips that you can offer everybody out there listening today.


Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

Okay, well I think first we have to recognize that this is an organism. We can clearly see it under the microscope. Most of the time it’s been diagnosed by dark-field microscopy. We used to be able to culture it. I don’t believe that Philadelphia company is any longer available, and as everyone who’s watching knows even better than I do, that there’s a great difficulty in trying to get the bands positive, whether you’re using western blot or using one of the specialty labs, it is difficult, very difficult to maintain that finding. However, once there is that combination of some sorta laboratory and symptomatology that suggests it’s Lyme, I am one of the folks that I truly believe that you have to reduce the load, if not kill the load that’s, of that which is that spirochete that makes up Lyme, and regardless if it’s the regular Lyme so to speak or one of the cousins, we need to use something that particularly lowers and gets rid of that colony. 

Without doing that, no matter what you do, it will continue to hold. Now, when you think about that, you have to think about, okay, I’ve tried the antibiotics, I’m sure most people watching the program have done their share of antibiotics, and lots have done it probably for one, two, three years and are disappointed and I’ve seen many patients just like that. The thing is, you have to think of, what can we use that not only will destroy the Lyme but will be able to penetrate into the tissues where Lyme’s reservoirs are, and will be able to, definitely be able to find and go through biofilms, ’cause we know, for those listen that may not know what that is, but pretty much all bacterium do go into the system together as a sort of a group and they protect each other, and so they have these biofilms, so you have to find something that, A, could kill this on contact, go through the biofilms and go deep enough to get into the different tissues that could possibly be affected. 

Now, through my career in the 41 years, I’ve really found only one substance that I’ve been confident in that I’ve seen over and over again to be able to do that, and that’s a nanoparticularized silver. And the proper dose of nanoparticularized silver will do exactly what I said. It will pretty much destroy Lyme on contact. It does go through both RNA and DNA biofilms, which you want it to be able to do, and it’s so small because nanotechnology, you’re talking about billionths of a meter, it will go through not only the biofilm, but it will go through deep and penetrate the tissues. And with that, if it’s treated with enough dosage in the right fashion in slow enough fashion not to create more Herxheimer’s reaction which originally was discussed as you know with using penicillin in syphilis use, that these folks can get better. Now with that, there’s no question, you still have to treat all the other issues that I said earlier, the hormone balances and the inflammation has to be, because once you have any disease that’s been in place for any length of time, it’s now caused dysfunction in other metabolic functions, so you have to think, what are the other metabolic functions, how can we make those work properly? 

So you could use, for example, a nanoparticularized silver under the tongue at home if you are home, and again, here’s the problem with silver. I always like to give the positive and negative. I was trained when I was a Pennsylvania karate champion a long time ago, you need to know what the positives are and what the negatives are of everything you do because nothing’s perfect, and we know that. So if you wanna use a nanoparticularized silver, you can literally put it under your tongue, a teaspoon and hold it for three, four, five minutes if you’re able to, and that will go deep into the tissues, several of the tissues. 

It, very little of that, maybe 5% actually gets into the blood stream unfortunately, but it will hit some of the reservoirs and perhaps take the population down a little bit, but silver only works while it’s wet, so for example, if you had something on the skin and you were using a topical silver which was one of the main things we did originally when we discovered silver, when it was wet it works, when it’s not wet, the ions are not active and don’t do their job as killing. So it’s best to try to keep it wet, meaning that if you’re going to dose under the tongue at home, you need to keep it by your bedside and put it under your tongue and just do it as often as possible. 

Some folks may say, well wait, Dr. Mitch, am I’m gonna get argyria, am I gonna turn blue, and the answer is not really at all. I’ve never seen it in my entire career, thank god. That’s as long as you’re not making colloidal silver out of your bathtub. Colloidal silver’s very different, and it is a colloid, and colloids have other metals to them, but if it’s a 99.999% pure silver in a liquid, a water, or distilled water, something of that nature, under your tongue, it really will not cause it. 

You couldn’t use enough, and of course with Lyme, because of all its presence, as a tip, you wanna be able to put it everywhere possible. There are some folks, as you know Robby, that see the spirochete when they move their eyes, so you have to put it in your nose, in the eyes, under your tongue, vaginally, all these areas are important to use the silver regularly. Now, will that be the end all? No. I truly believe that a good month of silver intravenous, on a stepwise scale, starting off low so the body gets used to it and doesn’t particularly cause any Herxheimer’s reaction, that along with the same thing you’re doing orally, eye, so forth, that makes a huge difference, and then fixing those other things like we talked about, inflammation, hormones, et cetera, the folks do extremely well and I have found pretty much in my career that almost all patients do extremely well within one month, five weeks, sometimes six maximum, they really are back on their feet, their life comes back, and they’re able to then go ahead with their life fairly normally. 

Are there some residual? Yeah, I mean I would be ridiculous to tell you someone who had a second or even tertiary stage of Lyme could not have some residual problem, but the residual problem is manageable enough so they can retain their life, gain gainful employment again and do the things that they wanna do, so yes, at least to start, I would try to get with whatever you’re doing, at least a nanoparticularized silver and begin using it in all the areas that I described, if it’s okay with your physician of course and see, and that by the way goes along pretty much with whatever else you’re doing, it does not interfere with anything else. 

It doesn’t even interfere if you’re on an antibiotic treatment program. As a matter of fact, there is even in the British Medical Journal many years ago, showing in many organisms that there’s a synergy between the silver and other antibiotic type medications, so I would say that it’s perfectly okay to use it together, but again, the intravenous route on a somewhat of a step framework of getting more and more are going to give you the best result that I’ve seen, and I’ve had the privilege of seeing some really, really bad cases throughout the United States, as I said, I typically get the ones that are not doing well to anything else and this seems to really do a great job.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Well, you know it’s so interesting, and I truly appreciate your low and slow approach, because many doctors, and I mostly hear this from my patients that we coach and we see through our business, that the doctors, they kinda like, they, it’s almost, I wanna say almost an ego thing, I’m a Lyme doctor, and I wanna show you that the stuff I’m gonna do works, so I’m gonna do this protocol but the way you’re gonna know, this is the doctor talking, the way you’re gonna know that it’s working is because you’re gonna feel like crap. 

You know, that’s the herx reaction, that’s the reaction that’s sort of flu-like, achy, and in some cases very extreme which is really just a detox response. So I so appreciate the fact that you’re cognizant, and the people out there viewing today are aware that the reason why you’re symptomatic is because you’re toxic, and then toxicity and inflammation, they sorta travel on the same highway, so you can have all those symptoms going on, and by doing a simply protocol like you mentioned with a specialized silver, silver’s been used for decades to be, to get in and kill bacterias and viruses and so forth, so this is super cool and important. 

People can do this at home, but they can’t, when you get people that are chronic, they’re so sick of being sick, they have a tendency to overdo it, and to really offer that, slow down, it took you a while to gain enough toxicity in a sense to become symptomatic, so the kind of approach to come down that toxic mountain and lose some of those symptoms, regain your life back, is a, should be a low and, a slower process for it to be done the healthy way. And that’s a true expectation, and I truly, I mean I love the fact that you brought that up because many of the people that are listening today, they’re anxious. 

They wanna get started and they wanna do something and they wanna be able to do something that’s gonna get rid of everything immediately, and this isn’t the case. But the idea, in three weeks, five weeks, six weeks, you can start gaining a lot of your life back in a sense. And then of course, the best way is always the way that you’ve really kinda built an entire empire around through IV intervention, when you can go directly into the bloodstream, then you’re now getting 100%, 98% of the substrate absorbed into your blood, that’s gonna affect your tissues and your cells, and in this case, go after the underlying source, so you really hit the nail on the head and I think that it’s so important for people to understand that there’s guys out there that are really doing this and that are fixing people. 

I know you don’t like to use the word cure, and even in my own experience, I’ve always looked at it like, sorta like malaria or hepatitis, you may always have it but if it doesn’t interrupt your lifestyle or the things you’re going after, like either working or your bliss, your purpose, whatever that is, then it’s just a label, it’s just something else in the background like we all have in some degree, but you’ve learned, and basically through your practice, have created a method to rebalance the microbiome with all these organisms so that we can live in sympathy and live purposefully in our lives, and that’s so important for people to know.


Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

I appreciate that. Yeah, I don’t see any treatment, Rob, being anything that we do, toxicity being a good thing, and I think if there’s any takeaway from the people that are watching the program today and listening to me is, any type of treatment that makes you toxic and sick is probably not a good treatment. That means it’s doing more damage to the cells, and some will say, well isn’t that true for example in cancer, chemotherapy, but yes, that isn’t good either when you’re causing the good cells to be toxic. 

The idea is, of course, to take out the cells that are sick and leave our good cells. By making someone toxic, overly sick, nauseous, vomiting, not feeling good, hardly is a good way of going. We have enough things that make us toxic as it is. Doing some sort of therapy that lends itself that way is not good. I have a interesting thing to tell the folks, is it okay, about, something about silver which is kind of interesting. There’s something called the zombie effect. I don’t know if I’ve ever told you this, did I?


Robby Besner PSc.D.

No, no, let me hear.


Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

Yeah, this is kind of neat. I think folks would like this. I always tell folks that after they leave the clinic, I always tell them, oh, once I’ve given the oral program, don’t worry, for the next three weeks, the silver is going to continue doing its job, and they’ll say, well wait, didn’t you say the half-life is only maybe 18 hours intravenously, orally maybe 20, 24? I, yes, that’s true, but did you hear about the zombie effect? And they’ll go, what do you mean? So I say, well the Israelis actually did a study with one of the other bacteria called Pseudomonas. It’s a pretty ugly bacteria as well. 

What they did was they took the Pseudomonas and they put silver, and of course it killed all the colonies which silver does, pretty much kills everything, it’s pathologic, and then they took the dead colonies now, not the silver, just the dead colonies, and they placed them with live colonies, and they found that the dead colonies that went in with the live colonies killed all the live colonies too. And you’d say, how is that possible? And that’s because as the Pseudomonas, as the bacteria dies, it then opens and releases the silver to the rest of the area.


Robby Besner PSc.D.



Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

So you get a, even though the half-life’s very short in considering most drugs and things, the physiologic effect, the killing effect goes on for weeks afterwards because of the fact that it will now open these cells, the dead ones that are in there will now open and they’ll do the rest of the job for you. It’s kinda neat, isn’t it?


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Yeah, it’s like shedding and sharing, right? The silver, and it just keeps


Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

There you go.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

going on, wow, that’s awesome. You know, I’m actually proud of myself because prior to this call we didn’t discuss this, but prophylactically, every day, when I brush my teeth, I orally spray silver in my mouth, I spray it in my nose, I spray it in my ears because any of the non-beneficial bacteria living in my mouth, they’re gonna run up to my sinuses, so spraying the silver there, they get up there and they go, oh no, I can’t hide here, so yeah, it’s kind of interesting that you brought that up, and I think it’s the perfect solution for the people listening, because these are real practical things that are relatively inexpensive that they can start doing right away to help them either, make them feel better, if they’re really on their heels right now, but also the guys that are out there, the Lymies that are out there that are, basically kinda got it down, their lifestyle down, their diet down, and they just have episodes every so often but wanna keep raising the bar on optimal health, so doing something like a protocol like silver every day at least is gonna keep them in check, and I think that that is a marvelous suggestion. Thank you for offering that.


Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

You’re welcome.


Robby Besner PSc.D.



Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

I think the most important thing that anyone can do with any type of disorder is really two things, one is to realize there’s no such thing as an impossibly or incurable disorder. No matter how bad you feel or how awful it is, there is something for you out there, and there is nobody that has not walked away from every disease on the Earth. Every disease on the Earth, someone has walked away from, even the ones that people have said are not curable. 

So don’t listen to the crowd or to anybody else that says this is not gonna, cannot be cured, I can’t, you can’t get better, that’s total nonsense. If you believe that, you will not get better. And the other thing I think is really important to impart today is what you see is what you create. If you see yourself getting better in a week, in two weeks, in three weeks, in four weeks, see the cup half full as I always do, and that there is something better, and you can see there is a light at the end of the tunnel, that’s what you’re going to get. 

You’re gonna get a light at the end of the tunnel, but you have to reach out for it, just like anything else. If you don’t reach for it, you’re not going to get it, so there are many things out there that probably you have not tried that do work, and I know it’s always, well what should I do, how should I do it, I think, when I look back over what we said today, I think I told you very well and correctly saying is first, you need to destroy the organism. Simultaneously, you need to fix all the systems that have been broken by the organism’s presence for so long, and that’s probably the, and then third, know, not believe, know, big difference between knowing and believing, people always think they believe it’s going to get better, you have to know you’ll get better. The difference is very clear between those two, and that will get you to where you need to be.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Wow, how inspirational. Man, I was gonna say, is there anything else you have to say, but I almost wanna end right now, because you gave us a summary that was so perfect. Listen, everybody out there, Dr. Mitch Ghen, he’s the go-to guy. He’s the one that everybody goes to when they can’t figure out what to do. Dr. Mitch, before we go, earlier you mentioned about your talk show, how do, and the radio show, how do people find you? Like if they’re in the area or dial in?


Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

Oh that’s easy, on Fridays at five Eastern Time to six Eastern Time, if you live in either good parts of the South Carolina, North Carolina, parts of North Georgia, I do a television show, if you’re in there, you can actually turn it on, I believe it’s channel 16 but it changes, but if you go to WGGS16.com, WGGSTV16.com, on Friday at five Eastern Time, it is a very fast show. It’s very difficult to get in. We have about 85,000, we believe, that watch the show every week, and it basically is, people call me, they ask questions, we go back and forth, and we’re like, it’s just a fun show, and they ask questions about anything and everything.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Yeah, that’s great. I’ve been on the show, I’ve been, you invited me to actually sit next to you in your, in some of your radio studios which was really so much fun for me, and I know, the guys that follow you are, they’re almost like groupies, Dr. Mitch, they can’t wait ’til the next episode so they can get on, hear what you’re gonna talk about, share their life experiences, and of course, generally you have a topic each week, but people call and it could be off-topic, it doesn’t matter. You’re such a walking volume of information that you’re well-versed on so many things, it’s easy to get to you and easy for you to share your knowledge with people and you’re happy to do that, and there’s not that many guys out there that are like Dr. Mitch that I’ve met in my entire life. 

So you can get to him, Dr. Mitch, at MitchGhen, G-H-E-N, .com. You can call his office at 561-674-0555, make an appointment, you can talk to his staff, they’re all friendly and amazing, and then they can put you in touch with Dr. Mitch. If you can’t, if you don’t live locally, by the way, people fly in from everywhere to see Dr. Mitch so that they can be in his clinic, they can get treated, they’re there locally, so it isn’t so hard to get to him and get his expert work and advice and information, and of course his treatment plans. Dr. Mitch, thank you so much for joining us today. You’re just a beacon of information and I’m happy to just have you on my inner core circle of best buddies, and we appreciate you and we appreciate your knowledge and everything you’ve done to the healthcare community, and certainly to the Lyme community at large today, they’re listening. Thanks again Dr. Mitch.


Mitchell Ghen, D.O., PhD.

Thank you Robby, what a pleasure to have been here today. God bless everyone.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey everyone, it’s Robby Besner. Thanks so much for joining us today. Please share this content with anyone that you think might benefit from it, and we’re looking forward to having you with us tomorrow for another great interview.


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