Full Transcript Introduction to Chronic Illness and Thyroid Health 0:00 But now you can fight those infections 0:02 because you look at like chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, 0:05 chronic Lyme. 0:07 We say chronic Lyme. And, you know, 0:09 air quotes because he was a blind. 0:11 But basically but now that we're activating infections 0:14 and, well, what's the problem? 0:16 Did they catch all these things? 0:17 Amos. 0:18 Chronic fatigue syndrome patients Alzheimer's patients are affected 0:22 all over. 0:24 No, the body can't suppress it. 0:26 So once you fix that now, 0:30 if you have to take any biotics, they'll work. 0:33 And oftentimes you don't need to. 0:35 So you're lowering all that inflammation, which is kind of reversing that vicious 0:40 cycle of the, like the territory, 0:43 probably the hormone mitochondrial dysfunction. 0:47 It makes it makes everything worse. 0:50 The immune activation formulation. 0:53 And so the first virtually all that we found, it's like, 0:58 a way to cheat on these patients, actually. 1:01 Welcome to Doctor Talks, the podcast, where every episode leads 1:05 to a healthier you. 1:07 Join us as we navigate the world of optimal health, 1:10 uncovering groundbreaking strategies to conquer chronic disease. 1:14 In each episode, we'll bring you the latest insights 1:17 from leading health experts, medical innovators, and wellness warriors. 1:21 If you you're seeking to transform your health journey, or if you're 1:24 looking for answers to burning questions, you've come to the right place. 1:28 Get ready to unlock the secrets of lifelong health and vitality. 1:32 This is Doctor Talks real talk from real doctors 1:36 on the issues that matter to you most. 1:41 Hi. Welcome back to the Integrative Health Podcast with Doctor Jen. 1:44 I'm Doctor Jen Fletcher, and today we're exploring a topic that affects so many. 1:48 But it's often misunderstood 1:50 the complex relationship between chronic illnesses and thyroid health. 1:54 Joining me is Doctor Ken Rosoff, a pioneer in integrative medicine 1:58 who's dedicated his career to helping patients 2:01 find answers where traditional medicine often falls short. 2:04 Doctor Horace's own health journey from battling chronic Lyme syndrome 2:09 and Lyme disease chronic fatigue syndrome, 2:12 to discovering cutting edge treatments that restore vitality. 2:18 This has 2:18 fueled his mission to uncover the root cause of chronic illnesses. 2:22 Through his innovative work at Horton Medical Group, is transforming lives 2:26 with treatments that go beyond masking symptoms to deliver real, 2:30 lasting health improvements. 2:33 Could the mystery of your thyroid 2:35 be the key to understanding your chronic illness? 2:38 Get ready for eye opening 2:40 discussion packed with insights you won't hear anywhere else. 2:44 Let's dive in. Oh, thanks so much. 2:46 No, it's really nice because, you know, my first passion was thyroid. 2:50 And, you know, we have the National 2:51 Academy of Hypothyroid is a nonprofit that we've had for a number of years 2:55 to educate doctors and patients about how the diagnosis 2:59 and treatment of hypothyroidism and low thyroid, this country is wrong. 3:04 You know, it's just missing so many people that can be, 3:08 can benefit. 3:09 That's at 3:11 na hypothyroidism.org, 3:15 National Academy of Hypothyroidism. 3:16 But, a lot of studies and things on there. 3:20 But yeah, no, it's nice because, 3:22 can combine my two passions and I'm trying to develop 3:26 a new thyroid assay that I know will replace the TSH, 3:30 but we keep getting about 90% of the way I've been trying to do about 15 years. 3:34 But the technology is advanced that we're we're close at that. So,
Doctor Jen Introduces the Guest and Episode Theme 3:41 Yeah, again, my first love, the straight T3, say 3:44 save me the first round. 3:48 And from being bedbound and 3:51 and then peptides came along and saved me for the second round 3:54 with the chronic Lyme, Bubka, Bartonella and heart failure and all that. 3:59 So yeah, these two therapies are near and dear to my heart. 4:03 And this is not something that you go to your regular 4:06 GP general practitioner and ask about, because this is not stuff 4:10 we learn in medical school, which brings up the fact that doctors 4:14 should keep thriving for information and new treatments that that is studied. 4:19 I mean, this is not snake oil. 4:21 There's a lot of research around what we're going to talk about today. 4:24 Oh yeah. 4:24 And that's when I especially first gave these talks. 4:27 It was people are like, wait a minute, why haven't I heard of this? 4:30 You got hundreds of references, you know, and 4:33 and the thing is, like, I used to get mad at doctors to you. 4:37 If I'm sure seeing this, when you have a patient 4:40 who's been sick for ten years seeing this doctor, 4:42 they love their doctor, 4:44 but they haven't gotten better and you send them back better. 4:46 You think the doctor is going to be happy? 4:48 No. They're mad. 4:49 They'll say you're no longer my patient. 4:52 If you keep seeing that quack person that cured you or, you know, helped you. 4:57 It's very interesting. 4:58 But because, you know, the problem is or even with very rarely, 5:03 we'll have a doctor call and say, hey, what did you do to help that person? 5:07 And then if you tell them, you tell them, like, let's say it's, hey, 5:10 we use these peptides or gave thyroid and and they go, oh, I can't do that, 5:16 you know, or I remember with the thyroid they go, oh, that will take 20 minutes. 5:19 Like I can't do that. 5:22 And so it's, you know, 5:24 the doctors and the doctors are feeling trapped in standard medicine. 5:28 They are they are miserable. 5:30 But they don't know how to get out. 5:32 So they're stuck in this system where, you know, like I know. 5:36 Kaiser will basically judge the lowest 20% 5:39 of people who, the least, cost effectiveness, 5:43 which means don't do any labs, just get patients out very quickly. 5:48 Just see volume. 5:49 You everyone, any press and you know and and don't cost a lot 5:54 unless there's some like procedures that they make money on. 5:58 And so there's this big incentive to do nothing and don't look into anything. 6:03 And we have a lot of diagnosis now everyone's you know, with chronic 6:07 multi-system illness, chronically syndrome, fibromyalgia, PTSD, 6:11 all these things and those doctors don't want to see that's going to clog up their, 6:16 you know, waiting room they don't have like, 6:18 we'll spend three hours on the patient if we need to. 6:21 We've been seeing a lot of, you know, with our veterans program, 6:24 they take take a long time, but they don't have that option. 6:27 And there's like, oh, my gosh, I'm going to look bad. 6:29 And then, you know, comes the end of the year. 6:30 My bonus is going to go away for not doing anything. 6:34 And we can't get them oftentimes to do a few labs where the patient means 6:38 they're covered through Kaiser. 6:40 No, go against me. You know. 6:42 So it's a very different model. 6:45 And it's it's scary depending on, you know, some doctors are willing 6:50 let patients just, like, get away with no work up and go. 6:54 You'll be you'll be okay. Here's a oh, then I get it. 6:57 You know, a bonus for doing statins. 7:01 And and things. 7:02 So, it's, it's kind of crazy out there. 7:06 It is. It's like the Wild West. 7:08 And I think, though, for those listening, you're taking control 7:12 watching this summit and watching other summits. 7:15 So just know that you are on the right track. 7:18 Keep fighting for your health. 7:19 But I agree with you that like, I just had a patient today 7:23 that she stopped taking her Ritalin and she took, some supplements instead. 7:27 And her psychiatrist was like, oh, okay, that's cool, keep doing that. 7:32 But didn't ask, like what it was or, you know, and I told her, 7:36 I'm like, give her, give her my office number. 7:38 I'll I'll teach her. I'll talk to her. 7:41 So there's there's better things out there. 7:43 But at the same time, there's this lack of drive for for doctors 7:48 because of the medical model. 7:49 They're not rewarded like, oh, you fix them. 7:52 Good job. So I don't know. 7:54 My goal is to get patients into my practice, teach them how to get better. 7:58 And then I, I don't really want to see them again. 8:00 I want them to live healthy. 8:02 Yeah, I 8:03 think it's it's a lofty goal and it's just and I was really big in 8:08 health care reform was on a lot of the media tour doing that. 8:11 And I put together, I spent a lot of time with this in-depth health 8:15 care reform proposal, and I was trying to get it to someone in Congress. 8:19 I ended up being, 8:22 I was named speaker of the House, where? 8:25 Republican. 8:27 Like I said, I'm like, now, 8:31 will it will come to me. 8:32 But anyway, so I just signed a thing saying I won't quote him. 8:35 And then he, you know, after several months and back, I saying,
Why Standard Thyroid Testing Misses Patients 8:40 this is very interesting. 8:41 Can you have, it's, well thought out, 8:44 but you must realize that this will go nowhere. 8:48 Do you know how many people are slurping off the trough of health care? 8:55 Yeah. 8:56 Yeah. 8:57 So and that's the funny I just think more and more it's just so money 9:00 money money you know, and they've got the Covid stuff and 9:05 which I won't go into. But 9:07 yeah getting the word out is so important. 9:10 And you have the na hypothyroidism.com the National Academy of Hypothyroidism. 9:16 So could you go into detail a little bit why you think this, 9:21 you know, standard and current model regarding Hashimoto's. 9:25 Like why it's not true. 9:28 Yeah. And and so it's it's wrong. 9:30 So when I was in medical school when I started just getting sick and, 9:36 growing up like, one I when pupils are 9:40 is bigger than the other half my body be sweating the other half 9:44 like freezing my arm would just stop working with vigor out. 9:48 Well it turned out like the whole family was infected with Lyme, but Basia, 9:52 Bartonella, and my mom, they discovered the sweating machine from Bubka. 9:58 But, you know, you have a good immune system and you're still functioning. 10:02 But then as you get older and stress 10:04 running, stress is a killer to your immune system. 10:08 People think, oh, it lowers your immune system, but it doesn't. 10:12 What it does is it modulates it in a 10:15 aging way, in a sickness way. 10:18 And if you think of two different sides or immunity, there's one and two. 10:23 It's an oversimplification, but it's a good way to look at it. 10:26 Each one step inside the cell takes this outside cell. 10:29 Now, as you're fighting this in volutes early on, 10:31 we about nine and starts, you know, basically just shrinking up 10:36 that that controls that kind of the balance. So, 10:41 as you get 10:41 older, I just starts going like this where the one drops down. 10:45 Now, you can't fight intracellular infection, but two goes up. 10:49 Now you have all this autoimmunity, inflammation, 10:53 you know, which can cause, you know, carnivorous carrier disease, 10:57 you know, all the, signs of aging or all those age associated diseases. 11:03 And so a key we found is to, snap that back. 11:08 We've become really an immune modulatory clinic. 11:10 Like, there's a lot of there's been a lot of hype. 11:14 About the, 11:16 hit trial work where they, 11:18 reinvigorated the thymus with growth hormone. 11:21 And they gave DHEA and metformin to kind of counteract the side effects. 11:27 But it it kind of plumped up the thymus and like, oh my gosh, 11:30 the people lost like, you know, a year's worth of age in a couple of years. But 11:38 it's like 11:39 dude's like, just give buy him 11:42 peptides, you know, and and modulate that. 11:46 So really any stress, toxin. 11:50 Everyone's so full of toxins, 11:52 chronic infection. 11:55 You know, Bay empaths, 11:58 where any inflammation and, you know, so many things 12:01 social with aging are going to just drive the immune system like this. 12:06 And then all of a sudden now you get, it's a kind of vicious cycle. 12:10 You get hypothalamic pituitary, 12:14 you know, pineal, hypothalamic pituitary hormone dysfunction. 12:17 So you have like a low thyroid, but the TSH looks normal 12:20 because it's like central, hypothyroidism. 12:24 You get low growth hormone, you get, hypothalamic pituitary 12:29 adrenal axis dysfunction, auditory article and chronic fatigue syndrome. 12:32 Fibromyalgia found 90% of them had low adrenal function, 12:37 even though their standard tests like normal. 12:39 All the review articles on mask of hypothyroidism 12:42 show that a standard blood test 12:46 is misses 80% of people. 12:49 You know, the only reason the where the TSA is accurate is 12:53 if a person is totally healthy young, 12:57 no toxins, no stress, no chronic illness. 13:02 You know, find me that person. 13:04 And other than that, it is the TSH 13:08 is just leading doctors astray. 13:12 But if there's a lot of pushback because doctors have been doing 13:16 certain things certain way and it's easy and, you know, patients. 13:20 So here's 50 studies. 13:21 You know, there's actually 502 studies, review articles. 13:26 So a thousand study. 13:27 Here's a thousand studies showing the way we're doing it is wrong. 13:30 No, my patients are fine. 13:32 And there's been a lot of articles and, 13:35 like New York 13:36 Times, Annals of Internal Medicine, like what doctors know. 13:39 And they found that most doctors are practicing 10 13:41 to 20 years behind what's available in the medical literature. 13:45 They say, well, why is that? 13:46 Well, one, they don't read medical literature. 13:48 They don't. 13:49 They say they do. 13:51 But the biggest that's not even the biggest issue. 13:54 The biggest issue is if you give them 50 study showing, you know, hey, 13:58 this is here's a new proven way that is better than what you're doing. 14:02 No, no no no, no, my patients are fine. 14:05 I don't believe those 50 studies, you know, so, 14:09 it's. 14:10 The doctors aren't following the science. 14:13 Like they're not evidence based. 14:15 In fact, again, the Covid thing is, but, 14:20 and so it's, you know, we, 14:23 we think is evidence based is not. 14:26 And that's, you know, I was ingrained in me 14:28 in medical school, don't do anything alternative, 14:32 anything outside of the university because it's there's no evidence. 14:37 And when I started getting sicker and sicker, I'm like, 14:40 I don't know if I can continue. 14:41 And I went to anesthesia because talking to a patient was so fatiguing 14:45 that while they're asleep, maybe I can do this. 14:48 And it was a it was my, my specialty ever. 14:50 But, no offense to an ecologist, but, 14:54 and then 14:55 I snuck off to an alternative, cause I don't want to tell anyone. 14:58 I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is more evidence based than what 15:01 they're teaching me in in residency, you know? 15:05 And, and that's where I really got 15:07 into, T3, the thyroid replacement, especially thyroid 15:11 and hormone optimization, 15:14 and then moved into, as I found out, that 15:18 I had chronic Lyme and those things and, and show you, like, stress. 15:22 So I was functioning with the thyroid just made a huge difference. 15:26 I had some immune modulators, but, you know, thyroid and growth hormone 15:31 and testosterone and, adrenal support, mitochondria support the a lot of things. 15:37 I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm a new person. 15:39 And so for me, it's easier when family practice. 15:43 And then I went through a very nasty divorce. 15:47 And, you know, she hired Gloria all right as a consultant. 15:49 But it was and, 15:53 and then it just put me in bed 15:55 bedbound and night sweats. 15:59 I had LSD, restless legs, 16:03 went into heart failure, and I could not, like, walk up the stairs. 16:08 It took me, like, 2 or 3 hours walking a flight of stairs. 16:11 I couldn't stand upright. 16:13 And the other cardiologist. 16:14 And he's like, your height, your heart's fibrosis. 16:19 And, then I didn't know that then. 16:22 But I know why. 16:23 Because I had the super high THC, which, if you look at human growth 16:27 factor, beta, it causes fibrosis. 16:31 And he said, maybe in ten years if you get 10% better. 16:34 And so my but I was going I would not live like that. 16:39 It was just terrible. 16:40 So I was gonna ask myself some way. 16:44 And the next year I was playing Halloween for whatever reason. But 16:48 and said, I'll give it a shot and went around the world looking for therapies. 16:52 And, a lot of the things were, well, I was on stem cells, a lot of things 16:57 help, but nothing was kind of the magic bullet. 17:01 Belgium. 17:02 I did peptides, but I didn't think they're going to do anything. 17:04 And, 3 or 4 days later, I'm like, okay, let's see, where am I gonna go? 17:08 And I walked up. 17:10 I just walked up the stairs, up right. 17:11 I'm like, wait, what the heck happened? 17:13 And so I kind of went backwards and, you know, brought a bunch home. 17:18 I couldn't use them on patients yet. 17:20 But then then that opened up and it just opened up, 17:24 a new 17:25 talk about a new tool kit for patients. 17:29 And, and that's where we, you know, been doing ever since 17:33 it made everything from, you know, 17:36 the patient just wants to be healthy or lose weight to the sickest. 17:40 They were treat 17:41 and have a veterans program where we're treating the special forces. 17:44 And they are the kind of when essential canary in the coal mine. 17:50 And they're looking just like all our chronic Lyme patients. 17:54 They have tons of, infection, signs of immune dysfunction. 17:59 Every single that we've tested thus far, we're in total toxins. 18:04 The, you know, and with the vaccines that they're getting, 18:07 their immune systems are just shot, and they all have. 18:12 And, we've tested thus far, antibodies against their brain, 18:16 against receptors in their brain. 18:17 You wonder why all these treatments for PTSD and depression and, 18:22 you know, the special forces that, 18:24 like, you know, butts a gun in his mouth and kills 18:28 himself, like, you know, every minute or so. 18:33 And it's 18:34 it's crazy, but we've made such great, 18:39 basic turnaround on on these guys
Personal Health Journey and Immune Dysfunction 18:41 that someone heard about a director and they wanted to do a four part 18:45 docu series, and I got funding 18:48 and distribution on like, 18:51 Hulu and Amazon and Netflix and all that. 18:55 So we've been filming that. 18:56 It's been kind of crazy, but, 18:59 it's these guys are so great. 19:01 They're just so humble and, and and what they've been through and, 19:05 and the problem is they also don't seek treatments because they're like, 19:07 oh, like, I, I can take it in their life just crumbling around them. 19:11 So, where was I? 19:15 I don't even know. 19:16 That's so amazing what important work you're doing, especially with the vets 19:20 and the fact that, yeah, a lot of these, 19:23 they're put on all these meds and antidepressants 19:25 and things for anxiety, but that's not what they need. 19:27 That's not the root cause of what's going on. 19:30 And you talked a little bit about, antibodies in the brain. 19:34 Can you mention antiplatelet 19:37 antibodies that can also be found in Hashimoto's patients. 19:40 Yeah. 19:41 Yeah. 19:41 So, and that's what, you know, with Hashimoto's, we, we think about 19:46 oh, it's just, you know, the body starts making antibodies to the thyroid. 19:50 You wait till it destroys enough, then you get thyroid. 19:53 It is so much more complex than that. 19:56 There are multiple high incidence of antibodies 20:00 to the pituitary 20:02 to diagnose type two to mitochondria. 20:06 A number of studies showed every hoshi patient 20:09 has mitochondria, significant mitochondrial dysfunction, 20:13 and most harshest patients 20:16 don't have antibodies to the thyroid. 20:19 So it's you know, people say, oh, we have Hashimoto's. 20:22 Or if someone has Hashimoto's, that's you thyroid. 20:27 Yeah. Well, your thyroid is at low enough. 20:30 That because they're TSH just suppressed because of 20:34 like the anti pituitary antibody which is going to suppress 20:39 PSA and other other hormones. 20:42 It also an antibody to GI RNAs type 20:44 two which they have a high incidence. 20:48 But it actually stimulates sinus type two. 20:49 And again this form and is an appropriate try to go through all that. 20:55 But the that what that does is increase T4 or T3 conversion in the pituitary. 21:01 So now the pituitary sees more thyroid but not the rest of the body. 21:06 And the TSH goes down further. 21:08 So all these, Hashimoto's patients are low thyroid. 21:14 It doesn't matter if they're TSH age is is normal. 21:20 That and also a studies 21:22 show that giving thyroid I mean especially T3 which goes along 21:27 with the transport in the cell because the mitochondrial dysfunction and 21:32 T4, T3 21:33 doesn't just diffuse into the cells, it's actually actively transporter. 21:37 The T4 transporter is more needs more energy. 21:40 So Hashimoto's patients are are low mitochondria. 21:44 They go into anaerobic, 21:47 metabolism very quickly. 21:49 So poor endurance, a lot of brain fog, depression, muscle aches, 21:55 you know, gut issues. 21:58 One study, showing 40 22:01 or that 40% of patients have Sibo 22:05 versus 1.5% a normal population. But, 22:10 so they have all these antibodies 22:11 that these can't be tested in, in a clinical, lab. 22:16 There has to be a research lab, but it's causing all these other problems 22:20 that you don't know about and another doctor doesn't know about. 22:25 Oh, well, why do those tests look normal? 22:28 You know? 22:29 Well, well, they're they're just normal or low? 22:32 Normal. 22:33 Well, another study out of, Jama. 22:39 General Randall's internal medicine show. 22:41 They looked at the risk for heart disease with someone who just low normal thyroid, 22:45 like a low. 22:46 You're fine. You're just low normal. 22:49 There's a higher heart. 22:50 Risk for heart disease. 22:52 And if you have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, you smoke or have diabetes. 22:58 So just treating not as are going to get the Hashimoto's better. 23:03 It's it's going to reduce all your 23:08 risk for heart disease and, 23:10 and chronic illness. 23:13 And and, 23:15 and finding with that and also a lot of these patients 23:19 don't have myeloid antibodies, but they have Hashimoto's. 23:24 One study in The Lancet, you know, top five international journal, 23:28 the thyroid biopsy, just people who are chronically fatigued. 23:32 And they analyzed that they found 40% of 23:35 patients had lymphocytic, thyroiditis. 23:38 And but only 40% of those would be detected. 23:42 Antibody testing and found 23:45 that they all benefited from treatment 23:49 regardless of their thyroid function tests. 23:55 So, you know, and there's 23:56 all there's oh, giving thyroid to normal teres h levels. 24:00 And it's but it's appropriate. 24:04 It's you know to not is malpractice. 24:09 And so many cases and especially we look at the case 24:12 I'm talking about pediatric obesity which is just rampant. 24:18 Study in the Journal of an allergy, metabolism. 24:22 I could tell you a joke. 24:25 How do you hide something from endocrinologist? 24:28 Put in their journal, but, 24:31 but anyways, I'm just kidding me. 24:35 It's all in good taste. The. 24:36 Well, I have a bunch of. 24:38 And Bedser and the chronologies as well. 24:43 They found that 60% 24:45 if the 60% of obese children had Hashimoto's 24:49 versus one, the 2% controls. 24:53 And so they found that the, 24:57 the Hashimoto's was caused by the excessive fat, 25:00 which caused immune dysfunction, which then caused the Hashimoto's. 25:05 Now there. Right. 25:06 A number of studies show that if you 25:08 if you're able to get that child to lose the weight, 25:12 the Hashimoto's is better than the thyroid gets better. 25:14 It doesn't go back to normal. 25:17 But so they don't like to treat. 25:18 And I've seen pediatric endocrinologist like, you know, TSH of ten. 25:24 The kid's got 80 and OCD fatigue obesity 25:30 and they won't treat and they won't test in general even for Hashimoto's. 25:35 Even though here the study and in major medical journals are 60% 25:40 because they don't think you can do anything about it, 25:42 but you can do a lot about it. 25:44 And like I was saying that giving thyroid, 25:48 especially T3, which maybe we'll, we'll get into, but 25:53 is, is totally appropriate 25:56 and you're not going 25:57 to get these kids to lose weight because their basal metabolic rate is so low 26:01 because they have mitochondria dysfunction. 26:03 You have low thyroid on top of that, which which burns at, you know, 26:06 the amount of energy. 26:07 So we'll check that. 26:08 And everyone that comes through 26:09 their basal metabolic rate, how many calories they're burning per day. 26:14 And, oh like 25% low, on average. 26:18 You know, there's a difference. But 26:21 and so that's like 500 calories a day, 26:25 you know, oh, they got to eat that, much less just to stay even. 26:28 And if you problem is, if you diet, studies show 26:32 like three rounds of dieting now it lowers your thyroid. 26:36 The body goes, hey, we're starving. 26:38 Goes in the starvation mode, and lowers 26:41 the age, lowers the, basal metabolic 26:45 rate, raises your appetite, tells the body to store fat instead of burning fat. 26:50 So it's it's a, vicious cycle. 26:53 But the only way you can keep these kids from becoming an obese 26:59 child is going to be an obese adult with all the, 27:03 you know, 27:04 comorbidities, even just from the, obesity, 27:07 from a strictly clinical medical standpoint, 27:11 not even mentioning all the bullying, 27:14 you know, self-esteem issues. 27:18 And so it's it's a big battle. 27:20 And we find all these kids with ADHD, OCD, 27:26 they respond great to thyroid. 27:29 One of our doctors, children, very high 27:32 achieving was that, major university cheerleader. 27:36 But she kept pulling out all our eyebrows. 27:38 I just stress, and that's what we're fighting with so many kids. 27:41 And we gave her, some thyroid, some T3, and, 27:46 five amino one MQ, which is a, 27:50 mitochondrial booster. 27:52 And in two days start pulling out our eyebrows. 27:56 It's amazing. 27:56 I love me some five amino on, Q it's a good, 28:01 it's in my bag 24 over seven and 28:04 but I don't always use it. 28:05 I don't know, I don't usually need it, but, 28:08 Yeah. 28:08 So that's, That's amazing. 28:11 And the problem, though, that you. 28:14 I don't think it's going to change, and you couldn't even get it through, 28:17 you know, the health committees because, you know, these obese kids
Hashimoto's, Antibodies, and Hidden Thyroid Issues 28:20 are going to turn into obese adults that are going to get heart disease, 28:23 that are going to be on statins and Plavix and Eliquis and, 28:28 you know, I just it's it's like we're running in circles, unfortunately. 28:32 But everyone's so yeah, now and it's like, you know, when I go to parties 28:38 you have to bring lab slips and it's like, oh, I'm sick, my daughter's sick. 28:43 My husband my, you know, and, it's it's terrible. 28:48 And you're like, what, 28:50 what treatment are you getting? 28:51 And interestingly, they'll, they'll say, you mentioned some things. 28:54 Oh, my doctor says it's not it. 28:55 I'm like, how's that working for you, you know. 28:59 Right. 28:59 And you're feeling like crap. 29:01 Maybe you should change something. 29:02 Yeah. 29:03 And and we'll get to the bottom of what if you don't find anything? 29:06 Well, you know, they go to the doctor and they do a CBC, chem 29:10 panel, maybe a TSA, or maybe some, thyroid test. 29:16 But and they go, oh, you're fine. 29:19 Oh, your cholesterol is a little high. 29:21 You need to take a statin, like, which is malpractice. 29:24 I mean, so, I mean, so many studies show double blind, placebo controlled 29:30 meta analysis, which does combine all the data, show 29:34 that high cholesterol is protective 29:37 against heart disease and especially, 29:40 all cause mortality because you get increased, 29:44 you know, dementia, you get increased diabetes on statins. 29:49 It's just it it's one of those things that doctors just keep doing. 29:52 And and I'm like, you don't like, 29:56 read the literature, you don't care about the literature. 29:59 You're like, I don't know. 30:01 That just blows me away. 30:03 Yeah. 30:03 The statins, it's just it doesn't really make sense. 30:07 And then if you put men on standards and drive their cholesterol so low, 30:10 they're not going to make their testosterone. 30:12 Yeah, I just I just don't like my wife. 30:15 Yeah. 30:17 So many 30:18 issues and they cause mitochondrial dysfunction and, 30:22 you know, you're looking at we're treating, 30:23 you know, all swimmers with these new mitochondrial boosters and, 30:28 you know, all these diseases of aging, 30:31 a major component is there a disease of energy production. 30:36 And people can't make enough energy, especially, for the immune system. 30:42 And so you get reactivating infections like with Alzheimer's, you get 30:46 and then now the HSV one, which so many people have, it goes, hey, 30:51 I'm going to go up the olfactory nerve and into the brain, you know, 30:55 and studied by a, 30:58 who ran the Harvard brain bank, did biopsies 31:01 and all these Alzheimer's patients found the majority had chronic Lyme. 31:06 They wouldn't 31:06 let him publish because they said it will, you know, basically caused. 31:11 Yeah, panic. 31:12 Like, okay, that's good medicine. 31:15 But it's, but it's crazy. 31:19 It really is crazy. 31:21 So would you mind just giving a, like, 31:24 a brief explanation for the audience on 31:27 what is a peptide and let's dive in a little bit 31:30 because some people have never heard of this there. 31:32 And I always have to explain this in my office, you know, basically every day. 31:37 Yeah. Yeah. 31:38 So and you want to say, well, everyone knows what happened, but yeah. 31:42 So peptide is simply a chain of amino acids. 31:46 The government decided if it's under 50 or for you. 31:49 Depends who you ask. It's a peptide. 31:51 If it's over that length, it's a protein. 31:55 But what they have found 31:57 is that the small molecular 32:01 weight peptides that they didn't thing 32:04 did anything actually are profoundly effective. 32:08 And that we think of okay, what kind of control is your body? 32:12 Well, you know, maybe hormones and, you know, and, 32:17 and so you have all these different hormones doing these things, 32:21 and, but there's a layer above that with peptides. 32:26 They're kind of fine tuned everything, and they're smart in that. 32:31 They're kind of like smart meds. 32:33 For instance, Bpcl 157, probably the most used peptide 32:38 because it's considered a gut peptide, lowers inflammation, 32:43 rejuvenate so many things, protects the body from so many things, 32:47 whether it's, in the gut or, 32:51 systemically, orally will work systemically. 32:54 One study they did for, celiac 32:57 and mice and it then it worked for both, 33:03 you name it. 33:04 Like it will, 33:06 caused nerves to regenerate if you don't give it, it, it won't. 33:09 Peripheral nerves. 33:10 Works for, central nervous disorders. 33:15 It will protect the liver or reverse Nash. 33:20 I mean, there's just so many things that the that it that it does. 33:25 But let's say you have high blood pressure. 33:27 It lowers it. 33:28 If you have low blood pressure, it raises it. 33:31 If you're hyper coagulant, which so many people are now from 33:35 Covid and the vaccine and chronic infections 33:40 that it will actually become fibrin clinic, 33:43 it will break down that fibrin gunk that's laying down and causing 33:47 lack of oxygen to get in the cells, and the lack of nutrients 33:51 and a lack of waste products getting out. 33:56 But if you, 33:58 but if you bleed, if you have a problem with quite glacial 34:02 till you get overdose, the heparin, it will actually keep you from bleeding. 34:05 So and so many peptides are like that. 34:07 They're they're smart in that. 34:09 They're modulators, you know, that they're kind of like, 34:14 you know, a number of, of the supplements, 34:17 adaptogens and things like that, 34:20 but much more potent, much more, powerful. 34:25 But overwhelming majority of peptides, 34:28 they can't find a toxic dose. 34:31 So they give people, you know, a thousand, 10,000 times 34:35 the dose IB and they're like, no toxic effects. 34:41 You know, try that with milk or water. 34:46 You know what? You're gonna overdose. 34:48 Try with any medication of of course. 34:51 But so the nice thing is they're very, very safe. 34:56 And and can make all the difference in, for instance, 34:59 like when I had this chronic Lyme and, it was kind of, 35:03 you know, with at that time the, the treatment is massive antibiotics. 35:08 I was like seven, eight, nine different antibiotics at a time. 35:11 Highest dose. 35:12 I gave myself five times the max dose trying to get rid of this thing. 35:16 Nothing. 35:17 And like I'm in the ICU and the nurse like, 35:21 oh, this is that Aids patient who keeps turning up negative for HIV. 35:25 I had no natural killer cell function, which is at t one 35:29 and B, so you can't take enough antibiotics to kill anything. 35:33 Your body has to respond and take over. 35:37 And so that's where it was so powerful. 35:42 With our clinic, we found that our 35:44 patients have, you know, chronic Lyme and Sears and, 35:49 all love for you to hand out, 35:52 the, peptide protocol for the rapid treatment, series 35:56 that you can give out as a gift for anyone. 36:02 But, so, 36:05 so really, you know, doing these, these peptides, 36:09 erasing that one just makes all the difference 36:13 in lowering the value of all that reduction and inflammation. 36:17 But now you can fight those infections 36:19 because you look at like chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, 36:23 chronic Lyme, we say chronic Lyme. 36:26 We, you know, with, airports because of Lyme, but busy Bartonella 36:29 reactivating infections and, well, what's the problem? 36:33 Did they catch all these things? 36:35 Same with chronic fatigue syndrome patients. 36:38 Alzheimer's patients are infected all over. 36:41 No, the body can't suppress it. 36:44 So why don't you fix that now? 36:47 If you have to take antibiotics, they'll work. 36:50 And oftentimes you don't need to. 36:53 So you're lowering all that inflammation, which is kind of reversing 36:58 that vicious cycle of the pituitary, and causing 37:02 low hormones and mitochondrial dysfunction when it makes everything, 37:06 makes everything worse. 37:08 The immune activation of coagulation, you know, so 37:11 you're versing all that we found, it's like, 37:16 way to cheat on these patients, actually. 37:19 And, you know, not have to give two, three years of antibiotic use. 37:24 And you look at, for instance, with Lyme, the if you were to give it, 10 to 14 days 37:30 of, antibiotics for a sinus infection 37:33 because Lyme replicates so slow. 37:36 So antibiotics generally work when the replicating you have 37:39 to give antibiotics equivalent to 10 to 14 days is 2 to 3 years. 37:44 So just right off the bat on there. 37:47 So and the antibodies cause so many different problems and stuff. 37:50 So we'll, we'll use them but very, very short 37:54 small doses if we need them. 37:58 Yeah. 37:58 And one thing during Covid 38:00 I thought was really interesting because I would just read every night. 38:03 That's what I would do 38:04 is read about Covid and Covid studies because we I felt so helpless. 38:09 I was still working in the E.R., but you kind of feel hopeless. 38:12 And I would just dive into the research. 38:13 And they were using thymus, an alpha one, which is a thymic 38:17 peptide made in China, like pretty routinely.
Peptides as Immune Modulators 38:20 And, you know, I used it on patients 38:23 that it that I needed to in the States. 38:26 But this is this is a peptide that, you know, 38:30 all the FDA banned it and turned it into a biological pharmaceutical. 38:33 So thank goodness we have other thymic peptides. 38:36 That will work, which I'd love for you to talk about. 38:39 But it's, it's it was so frustrating to me that we had a way to balance that immune 38:45 system, you know, balance out the one, 38:48 help people recover faster from Covid. 38:51 And we're not being used in the US. 38:55 And we had such a high death rate. 38:57 So could you talk a little about these thymic peptides. 39:00 Yeah. 39:01 So the the same as basically is is in your breast bone. 39:07 And it starts and it 39:10 basically directs this kind of want to balance. 39:14 And, but at adrenaline nine it starts in ballooning and start dropping. 39:20 And a number of things will cause that to happen faster. 39:24 You know, obesity, toxins, 39:28 different hormones. 39:30 And so as we get older, we get this age, phenotype. 39:35 I mean, your, your base, your system's aging, the immune system's aging. 39:38 This one, 39:41 basically can't fight interstellar infections. 39:45 Age to all this inflammation starts. 39:48 And so the lowest point is right around 39:51 age for most people, right around 4045. 39:55 Okay. 39:55 And when do all these diseases of aging start occurring? 39:59 You know, about five years after that. 40:02 And, and, and so again, I mentioned the one study where they rejuvenate 40:07 the thymus and we're all excited, but you can just give dynamic peptides, 40:14 and the, 40:16 the they so they're easy, they're safe. 40:19 And the famous and alpha one made the mistake of doing 40:22 a study on Covid, and it was safe and effective. 40:25 So if they would allow it to stay on the market, they could not have 40:30 brought the vaccines out as emergency care because there is now a treatment, 40:35 effective, safe and effective treatment for Covid. 40:38 And it's approved in 45 or so, 47 different countries 40:43 as an anti-infective, as anti-cancer, 40:46 and, you know, huge therapeutic window and and low side effects. 40:52 So, it, it kind of started 40:56 everything off because they actually had a number of studies, 40:59 but so famous and the famous and, well, number different, 41:03 they secreted from your thymus and actually elsewhere as well. 41:07 They'll bring the one up and the two down. 41:13 So yeah, thymus and Alpha one is the one that's been, you know, 41:17 approved it. 41:18 It got a, 41:21 orphan drug, approval, 41:24 which was a little strange, but, 41:27 it was a commonly used. 41:30 Now, we look at we have a lot of, options in this thymus in beta four. 41:36 So you think a famous an alpha one is AT1 booster? 41:39 Thymus and beta four will also. 41:42 But you think of it as a two, booster lowering Th2, 41:46 but also providing more growth factors, more rejuvenation. 41:53 And there's stimulant which is much more anti-inflammatory. 41:57 Is is so great for auto immunity, 42:01 great for her eczema reactions. 42:04 And so we looked at these and, you know, the, 42:09 FDA still, you know, they hate compounding pharmacies 42:13 and injectables and, so we looked and said, okay, you know what? 42:17 Oral peptides that we can legally market as supplements? 42:22 We're not we won't alter them. 42:24 The are in the food chain, 42:27 naturally in your body. 42:29 And, so there's a fragment of thymus 42:33 in beta for called TV4 Active Fragment. 42:37 And so many studies show again now 42:40 I think it's going to boost that to one to lower the T two. 42:45 But it's great at lowering t H2, especially when you have what's called 42:49 human factor beta, which we're finding is the key marker for too much too. 42:55 And I know it very well because mine was so high. 42:59 And that's what caused the fibrosis in my heart. 43:02 So it's it's a marker that and see for a 43:06 and like some people say well how do you determine h1 h2 and. 43:10 Well by the way how Hashimoto's is, if you look at the textbook 43:14 H one dominant illness. 43:18 Absolutely not. 43:19 It's a and and I always like I remember like 20 years ago thinking 43:25 if this is H1 grades as to why do they respond to the same 43:30 treat meds, you know and what it is they couldn't determine, they couldn't 43:37 differentiate from t 43:39 one cytokines and t h 17, which is the auto immune, cytokine. 43:45 But you also the cytokine test can really throw you astray 43:50 because it's like let's say the body's trying to raise the T one, 43:54 but because of all these roadblocks, it's just like doesn't 43:59 work, doesn't work, doesn't work. So those levels go up. 44:01 It's kind of like the same principle of let's say TSH 44:06 stimulates the thyroid. 44:08 If you test the TSH, oh, it's high like you do cytokines, 44:12 you're going to say, well, this person is thyroid dominant 44:15 because they have high TSH. 44:17 But it's the opposite. 44:19 So there's some some tests out there 44:24 that will, you know, and still claim that Hashimoto's are one. 44:29 So don't listen to it. 44:32 Don't, attitude. 44:33 But so, you know, modulating and and we looked at okay 44:38 what orally can can we give. 44:40 So the PV for active Prague. 44:45 Then we looked at, hey, is there an isomer that's naturally occurring. 44:50 And use that and it's 100 times more. 44:54 Active, active at the receptor site. 44:58 It is much more resistant to enzymatic degradation 45:03 because the problem peptide generally and this is with big pharma and 45:07 and everything is that they get broken down in the digestive juices 45:12 and especially the enzyme will break down most peptides. 45:16 But what the body will do is it will, 45:22 called capping as the, kind of slang for a C delayed. 45:27 And he'll put caps on the peptides. 45:29 And if it's a critical peptide, but it does it for most of them. 45:34 And that depending on the class of peptide 60 to 85%, 45:39 90% of peptides are a C naturally 45:42 a C related or imitated, as is like BPC. 45:46 And there's a push out there. 45:48 I won't get too much into it, but they call it stable. 45:50 BPC is arginine BPC. 45:52 The company had a patent on a C the lated, but it ran out. 45:56 So they did a study when arginine 45:59 salt of it and said that it's last longer in the stomach. 46:04 You know even if that is true, which it's not, because numerous third 46:08 party studies showed a C related sits in the gut for 24 hours, had no breakdown, 46:12 but okay, use it in coated capsule. 46:15 But that when you also acetylation imitate it as 46:19 the body will do to protect it. 46:20 But it also now it loses a charge on each end. 46:25 So now it can go in through the lipid bilayer 46:30 where before it's going to be stuck in the lumen of the gut and not absorbed. 46:35 So really the stable BPC ring BPC 46:39 should be called unstable PBC. 46:43 And so I'm gonna put a bunch of studies out and I actually, 46:46 we have in the process, 46:49 we're going to do comparative, 46:53 analysis of the bioavailability of each one 46:56 just to compare to people asking, go, well, so-and-so said, you know, 47:00 well, it's they may it's the company here 47:03 that lost their patent on a c related a made this other. 47:06 But anyways, 47:07 and then so it so other thymic peptides, 47:12 I imagine which is it's considered a bio regulator just because it's small. 47:16 It's two amino acids only. 47:18 It's 100 times as potent as by meal in. 47:22 And there's another peptide we call immune peptide eight to as we'll call it Mylan. 47:28 But that's its trademark.
Thymic Peptides and Immune Balance 47:30 So we call it I mean peptides to put those together. 47:33 And found that we wanted something to replace Thymus and Alpha one 47:37 and found that it's actually much more potent. And 47:43 and you get that, you know, immune modulatory effect. 47:45 Then you look at things the lower the T two 47:51 BPC 157 K pv, 47:54 which is the last three amino acids of melanocytes stimulating hormone. 48:00 And people are using that for like lime to reduce inflammation. 48:03 But the problem is you get and you think, well that's great. 48:07 Yeah. If you're younger you get tan. 48:10 But if you're older you get kind of, splotchy. 48:14 And I'm very not everyone likes that. They're worried. 48:17 And I see is is amazing 48:21 that a lot of I'm sorry kvp I mean oh yeah. 48:25 It's, I think it's an overtake BPC it's so anti-inflammatory. 48:30 So, Marcelle, it's very anti-microbial. 48:33 It outperforms fluconazole. 48:35 And anybody attacks, 48:38 and it doesn't pause stimulation of the melanocytes, like when I take 48:43 melanoma tan and it's called like the Barbie doll peptide 48:47 because you get tan, you increase libido and you lose weight. 48:52 But and so I'm doing it there delay. 48:54 And all of a sudden I am like, someone painted me with a black brush, 48:58 you know, and I'm like, oh my God. 49:01 But, the cape, you've got to worry about that. 49:04 Then we use a natural isomer of that 49:09 which was again shown to be 100 times more potent and capped. 49:15 So it resists degradation. 49:17 And the feedback on all these, like the, 49:20 the lineage in Alpha one, has just been amazing. 49:26 PV at mast 49:27 cell patients, chronically ill patients. 49:30 And, you know, everyone has leaky gut. 49:32 Now, you know, from all this stuff we're eating all the inflammation, b3 c 49:37 is shown to heal the gut. 49:40 And now, the arginine BPC guys, 49:43 because they're the rate, the realizing it doesn't absorb very well. 49:47 So they're giving like snack, which breaks open the tight junctions 49:52 and messes up the integrity of the gut, 49:56 like, oh, wait a minute, that's what you're trying to fix. 49:59 And these people know all the controversy. 50:02 Even in the big pharma world. 50:04 They say, well, you know, healthy people will restore it and save that. 50:08 And, yeah, but I don't know, I don't have a lot of people in my practice 50:12 and they can't fix it without it reaching out long term. 50:15 You just breaking down the the gut membrane for that. 50:19 Let's just say it did heal. 50:20 But there's no evidence that with sickbay they never do sick patients. 50:23 You know, they paling like all this LPs and other things 50:27 like getting cars allergies and auto immunity. 50:31 Are are getting in. 50:33 And then the KP, the tb4 frag 50:36 will actually work on the tight junctions specifically. 50:40 And the Cfpb is wonderfully 50:43 anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial 50:46 and great at you know, it actually is a great 50:51 at suppressing active mast cells and it works. 50:57 If you compare it to cortisone you get like that 51:01 reduction in allergies and inflammation. 51:06 But you're actually improving your immune system. 51:09 So it's yeah, it's 51:12 going to be I think, you know, a lot of doctors use it. 51:15 But I think more and more, they're finding that, you know, 51:20 so many people have all this inflammation and mast cell activation 51:25 and for instance, like people like with Pots, 51:27 like they've been everywhere, they can't help 51:29 but we don't even think about we give them these, 51:32 peptides. 51:33 And also bio regulators are great. 51:35 And, and it goes away. 51:38 And so it's made a lot of our to have our, our gum 51:42 much easier that we're like constantly in other things 51:45 and all these symptoms that are so difficult. 51:48 Oh shoot and resist the treatment. 51:50 Just get better. 51:52 Yeah. It's really exciting to watch too. 51:55 And patients are just amazed. 51:56 And these aren't medications or peptides and they're working with your own body. 52:01 So it's like a natural kind of treatment which is amazing. 52:05 And with the thyroid you know we talked a little bit about mitochondrial peptides 52:10 and five amino one in Q is one of them also might see 52:14 so why don't you touch a little bit on mitochondrial peptides. 52:17 Because that really ties into thyroid health. 52:20 Yeah. Oh it really does. 52:22 Now just modulate the immune system. 52:24 So you look at the studies on you know BPC and TB for frag. 52:29 Time again they are 52:30 going to boost mitochondrial function. 52:33 Now one kind of new concept is as the body ages 52:39 and that one immunity goes down to the heart of the natural killer. 52:43 So function one is to get rid of these cells that are worn out. 52:48 They aren't they aren't playing nice. 52:50 They got they're dysfunctional. 52:52 And the cells going out what's called cell danger response where 52:56 the mitochondria instead of making energy 52:59 it starts making more oxidative species. 53:03 And so it's trying to protect itself from infections and other things 53:07 that it recruits. 53:08 So now it becomes resistant to, autophagy. 53:13 It's called you start hearing that word a lot more because as we get older, 53:17 especially if we're sick or have chronic illness or low one, 53:21 the body can't clean up and reuse all those cells. 53:27 So you have end up having a bunch of these cells around 53:31 that aren't only not doing what they're supposed to, but they're, 53:36 you know, basically just create all this information 53:39 and creating, we call them zombie cells, more zombie cells. 53:43 So but if you raise that one now, the body went and raised 53:48 the mitochondrial, you get mitochondria back to where where they have the energy. 53:52 The body can start killing those. 53:54 But there is a negative to boosting the mitochondria, 53:57 especially in a chronically ill aged person. 54:01 Is that because their mitochondria aren't working 54:04 and you stimulate that mitochondria, you're not stimulating energy. 54:07 You're stimulating more inflammation.
Mitochondrial Peptides and Cellular Energy 54:10 So but the nice thing is, is that we now 54:14 have in our toolbox ways to selectively 54:19 make those cells so the body can now clean them up, now called syn analytics. 54:26 And one combination 54:30 is the satnav and and a, 54:34 a Pi setting or basically, 54:38 you know, polyphenol or humanoid at high dose. 54:43 They also will wipe out two pathways that are resistant. 54:46 And now the body can clean those up. 54:48 And if you look at, like, chronic, 54:52 heart failure, they have tons of these, 54:55 senescent cells and just getting rid of them, 54:58 all of a sudden, the heart failure dramatically better diabetes. 55:02 They have a ton of senescent cells. 55:05 And all of a sudden, the day the diabetes is, 55:08 is dramatically better. 55:11 All the neurodegenerative diseases, 55:14 every single one of them have severe mitochondrial 55:19 dysfunction and number of papers a major article is saying, 55:22 is this a know are these diseases is, energy production. 55:27 And there's one mitochondrial peptide called human in 55:30 and they call it human M because it 55:33 makes, all Samus patients human. 55:36 Again. 55:37 And then there's a version that's 100 times 55:40 more potent than and more potent than that. And, 55:44 so it's an exciting time. 55:47 And, and for instance, there's in Israel, 55:50 they found a drug that's like killing every cancer without side effects. 55:54 But the US is trying to get it out of a 55:58 and knock it out, but many ways. 56:01 Yeah. 56:01 So boosting the mitochondria, 56:04 with, lots C 5,000,001 56:07 MQ makes more nad available 56:11 to to the cells and with that patient, which was interesting. 56:14 So we gave her a number of different mitochondrial peptides 56:18 and, and all of a sudden it stopped working. 56:21 We're like oh shoot. 56:22 And I think we overachieved her mitochondria. 56:25 So we basically, 56:28 gave her back SS 31, 56:30 which is another mitochondrial peptide that works. 56:33 It works in a different manner. 56:36 It kind of really says like an antioxidant for the, mitochondria. 56:42 And people think, mitochondria, PQ, CoQ10 to do that, 56:47 but they barely get into like pokey ten. 56:51 We'll just get into the membrane doesn't get inside the mitochondria. 56:55 Same with might have Q 56:57 this will actually partition 5000 times 57:03 more in the mitochondria than the serum. 57:06 So it just keeps going in. 57:08 So that's why a number of studies and you know, phase three, 57:12 now trials for especially, neurodegenerative diseases, 57:17 but in, in protecting the, the mitochondria as well. 57:22 And that's what they're finding is that the mitochondria 57:25 with these neurodegenerative diseases, you get an infection a so dangerous fun. 57:28 And so those are apoptosis. 57:31 So these mitochondrial peptides not only produce more energy 57:35 they'll protect the cells from going into apoptosis. 57:39 So you don't lose all your cells like in Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. 57:44 But if they go into the other pathway into senescence 57:48 now they're zombie cells. 57:51 You do want to get rid of those in the body actually gets gets much better. 57:57 So that's the it's amazing. 58:00 And this is just the body healing itself. 58:03 And not just covering up symptoms. 58:06 And I could talk to you all day long doctor. 58:08 Hole off like oh your brain is so amazing 58:12 and we're so blessed to have you on the summit. 58:16 How do the listeners 58:18 find you, your company, in your companies? 58:22 Peptides. Could you give us all that awesome information? 58:25 Yeah, I just want to mention kind of a closing in that, you know, like thyroid. 58:31 Anyone who's Hashimoto's, you need thyroid treatment. 58:35 Okay. 58:36 T4 often won't work very well. 58:39 And studies have shown that 58:40 like in depression and even the largest study done on anti presence, 58:45 they took all these antidepressants 58:46 and used them as they're used clinically and they put T3 in there. 58:51 T3 outperformed all the anti antidepressants with less side effects. 58:55 But they didn't put in the abstract 58:56 because they didn't contribute to the cost of the study. 59:00 Another one bipolar patients hundred and 35 by treatment resistant 59:03 bipolar patients who took on average 14 different meds with no response. 59:09 They gave them all T3, didn't matter what the levels were, right. 59:13 85% responded 59:14 and 30 plus percent total resolution of symptoms. 59:18 But so Hashimoto's 59:20 patients need to be treated, but you want to treat them with T3. 59:23 Again, we didn't get into the exact reason why, but you can find all those studies 59:27 on the National Academy of Hypothyroidism and hypothyroidism.org. 59:34 Our clinic is home to our Mediacom. 59:37 We are starting and hopefully two and a half months, 59:41 a yearlong, peptide training course, 59:45 which will be, my better medicine.com, but you'll, 59:50 can can check it out and hold their med 59:52 and integrative peptides, integrative peptides.com. 59:57 You can sign up there and we'll send information and 1:00:02 all those things and that number of products 1:00:04 and we have like cerebral pap, which another med that the FDA found to be 1:00:09 safe and effective. 1:00:10 It's, porcine brain peptides and just the, the testimonials, 1:00:16 you know, people say, oh my gosh, I had this, you know, brain injury. 1:00:20 And I for years like, couldn't get better. 1:00:23 And this worked. 1:00:25 And I gave it to my stepson. 1:00:28 His brother's like, he's just being an ass, you know? 1:00:30 And I'm like, yeah, whatever. 1:00:32 But so him some people use it and they're like, 1:00:35 oh my God, he's back to his old self. 1:00:38 So, his mom going to kill me, but, 1:00:43 yeah. 1:00:43 So it's just been really fun. 1:00:45 And, we're going to have a lot of new products. 1:00:48 We're combining bio regulators. 1:00:49 Let's talk about bio regulars real quick.
Bio Regulators and Closing Resources 1:00:52 So bio regulators are called that because they're small molecular 1:00:57 weight peptides, or they're more specific to a particular tissue 1:01:02 like you have heart, cartilage, brain, 1:01:07 number of brain, pituitary, 1:01:11 thyroid. 1:01:12 So you have the thyroid bio regulator, which will actually 1:01:17 stimulate your thyroid. 1:01:18 And we found that it does increase your TSH 1:01:20 because that's suppressed with, with chronic illness. 1:01:25 And then another study on the pineal peptide upper talen, 1:01:29 which also called a bio regulator, is, 1:01:32 orally bioavailable, 1:01:35 that they took, I don't know, people do some weird things. 1:01:38 They took the, pituitary gland out of chickens and they. 1:01:43 So without the pituitary gland, the the thyroid just starts, you know, atrophying. 1:01:49 They gave them a talon, which is above. 1:01:52 So the pineal hypothalamus. 1:01:55 But now there's no but to Atari to secrete 1:01:58 TSH to stimulate the thyroid. 1:02:03 But it did anyways. 1:02:04 TSH levels went up to 43 levels went up. 1:02:08 And well we'll find if you come to the trainings 1:02:11 like how these chronically ill patients. 1:02:13 Another layer layers low control thyroid where the difference raises 1:02:17 the body will, you know, convert T4 to T3. 1:02:20 They you do it differently in the brain and elsewhere. 1:02:23 But it normalized the differences too. 1:02:27 So, there's a lot of cool things that, 1:02:30 that the, can be done with, with, with all the peptides and, 1:02:35 and the bio regulation of vascular ones is great. 1:02:39 And, we're having some great results. 1:02:42 It'll be a big study where they gave people just by our regulators 1:02:45 for two years, and they found they did, you know, the age, 1:02:50 biologic age. 1:02:52 And they found they lost on average, seven years 1:02:56 with those two years on their biologic age, which is really nine years. 1:03:02 Compared to the, 1:03:04 standard controls that got two years older. 1:03:07 So, it is really nice. 1:03:11 And, an easy 1:03:13 way to, improve different things. 1:03:16 I would with my mom. 1:03:17 I still had this little low level, 1:03:21 chronic kidney disease, and I took the kidney bio regulator, 1:03:25 and I can tell it's a little TMI, but, 1:03:29 I would have foaming urine because I would dump a little bit 1:03:31 of protein and, in the urine and take that. 1:03:37 No foamy urine. 1:03:38 So, you know, you know, it's working. 1:03:41 Yeah. So it's cool stuff. 1:03:43 So, so cool and exciting. 1:03:46 So thank you so much for being here. 1:03:48 I really appreciate it. 1:03:49 It was such an an informative discussion. 1:03:52 Great. Hey thank you so much. Keep it up. 1:03:55 And yeah look, look forward to, 1:04:00 we have a chance to, to work together. 1:04:02 I think you're just, love all the stuff and follow what you do, so, 1:04:06 the appreciate it. 1:04:07 And thank you for having me. 1:04:08 Thank you, 1:04:09 Kent Horowitz, for guiding us through the complexities of thyroid physiology, 1:04:15 chronic illness. 1:04:16 It's always eye opening to learn from such expertise. 1:04:20 If you love this episode, due 1:04:23 to the integrative Health podcast with Doctor Jen and leave a review. 1:04:27 See you next time.
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