Uncover Your Body’s Natural Language For Health And Healing

John Kortum

Michael, I am delighted to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

You just flew in from Germany?

John Kortum

Yes. I just came back from Berlin a few hours ago.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes.  I am impressed. You are still up and at it and, yes, able to focus. On what I want to do for people to understand John developed a technique. He is the sole developer of a cutting-edge medical assessment called the Kortum Technique. John’s examination of the human sensory system culminated in a new comprehensive model of care that offers detection, correction, and prevention of health imbalances. All based on his intuitive conversation with human biology and I just want to hear his book, The Kortum Technique. I just want to read in the back of a book because that pretty much sums it up the best. I am opposed to your natural biological design including the hidden blueprint of your body’s function and vitality. I suppose this blueprint could warn you before health problems or illnesses occur without expensive or end-based laboratory testing. Suppose this blueprint is universal and then extends to every man, woman, and child. What if you discovered the key that translates this biological code, knowing that it is available to anyone who is trained to read it? 

The Kortum Technique is a visual assessment process that decodes the metabolic cues that relate to biology and well-being, which translates the body’s vocabulary of health data, which appears in a visible lexicon of symbols that are known as indicators. This is something that you are by intuitive discoveries. You have achieved major media attention i.e.: Biography Channel, Ivanhoe Broadcast News, ABC News, and NBC News. The Dr. Oz Show, Dr. Man Alvarez Show, Fox News, and countless radio interviews. and you have been doing this for people all over the world. Fortune 500 executives, celebrities, military officers, on and on. This is pretty amazing. This is a breakthrough. I am excited to talk about it. Thanks so much, John.

John Kortum

Well, thank you, Michael. Yes.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Tell me, this is something that started when you were just a little kid and you were starting to see things that you thought were normal. But when nobody else is talking about it and nobody is telling you that anything is different, then you just think this is normal, right?

John Kortum

Yes. I would say that we, as children, think that how we perceive the world is how everybody else perceives the world. We do not necessarily know that anything is different. But it was not until I was around six or seven years old. I would notice that when I would look at people, not everyone, but some people looked a little different to me. Again, I do not see colors, I do not see auras, I do not see chakras, and I do not look into the body on an MRI or an X-ray. I just noticed that people had a certain appearance that was not the same as everyone else. Eventually, I began to recognize these differences in appearance in terms of texture. Some people might appear to me as wet. Some people might appear to me as dry. Some people might appear to me as powderish. Some people might appear to me as dense or concentrated. Some people might appear to me as porous. Some people appear to me as having a frame around them, like an iron, a barbed wire, or just a wire around them, that I did not see with other people. Then, as time went by, I found out they were having health challenges. 

When you are six or seven years old, by and large, adults do not discuss their health challenges with you unless they know your mom and dad have an illness. Of course, your parents would tell you that they had that. But I would notice it was about my school teachers, and I just did not think to say anything. One day we had to show up to class, have a substitute teacher, and be like, Well, Mrs. Jones is not going to be teaching for a while. She is in the hospital. I would say, Well, okay, Mrs. Jones had one of those strange textures. Then, when I found out that Mrs. Jones was having thyroid surgery or breast cancer, that is when I was, so when I see that texture, it relates to the breast, or when I see that texture related to the thyroid. Now I have to wait until I see that again and ask someone to see if they also have a thyroid or a breast imbalance. It was a long period, through the early 70s and 80s, where I just watched and waited and collected data until 2001, when I approached the conventional medical community to say, Okay, I think I have pretty clearly identified about 15 or 20 of the major textures that relate to the major bodies and systems. I can come to your doctor’s office. You already know what your patients are diagnosed with. I will just look at them. They do not get to talk to me. They cannot discuss their health history, their complaints, or their symptoms. They just sit in silence. I will tell you what I see, and then you can tell me whether or not I am correct. On that particular day, when I was in the office in Bethesda, I was correct in every circumstance of health that I evaluated. That is when that particular medical team said, Okay, we would be interested in teaming up with you in our office and seeing what we discover.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Because you ran, first a little test run with you, but then you established a study with these doctors where they presented. You had a group of people, and they then measured your accuracy regarding the fact that they had a pre-diagnosed disease. You did not talk to them; you just looked, and they said that this is what I see. Then you evaluated the accuracy based on what you saw and how that correlated with the disease, correct?

John Kortum

Yes. The way the protocol was set up is within the patient pool. Of course, they ask for people to volunteer. People who were participating in the study were aware that they were participating for ethical reasons. The way it was set up is that you will come to the office at 10 a.m. or 11 a.m., whatever the scheduled appointment is, you will receive a conventional evaluation from the conventional physician on staff, and then you will receive an evaluation from John. Then those two evaluations will be compared. The way a hit was registered was, and keep in mind, the patient may have been there for evaluation, but they also had a health history on the patient’s side. If I looked at someone and said, I see, I just want to clarify, Michael: I do not see illness indicators. I see organ indicators. I see there is something with the thyroid, and there is something with the liver. I do not see hepatitis; I do not see Graves disease. I just know something is going on with those organs. But I can give some information about the level or degree of imbalance. But since I am not a doctor, I do not go in that direction. I do not diagnose. I can just point to the organ that the body’s telling me about. In those instances, the protocol of the study was that if I looked at someone and said they had a thyroid indication and their conventional tests showed hypothyroid thyroid is Hashimoto’s disease, Graves disease, something was going on with the T levels, that would be considered a hit.

Now, if I looked at someone and said, When I look at you, I pick up that something is going on with your hearing. The physician said, Well, all conventional tests to date have said his hearing is fine. If the patient spoke up and said, I do not know; I have been having trouble with my ear over the last four months. I do not hear as well. Well, patient testimony is not a diagnosis, so that would still be considered a miss. Even though I was picking up on information, if I looked at someone and said, Okay, I see you have a thyroid indication, They are like, Nope, all the blood tests are normal, everything’s fine, everything’s great. But then six months later, that patient came back to the doctor’s office and had another checkup or a blood test. Then it showed that they had elevated or hypothyroidism, which was still considered a miss because it had to be at the time of observation. You could not go back six months and go back and change John’s answer to correct. But even with those parameters for the protocol, I was still 93.9347 accurate in terms of what I could detect. However the medical team did recognize the value of well-being if the body can communicate these imbalances before our medical tests do, and there is something important there.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

That is pretty incredible. So the question is, you had this ability to see an individual and cannot see these indicators, these organ indicators. How is that something that is a gift that only you have or is this a gift that people can learn and be able to use themselves?

John Kortum

Well, yes, that is the answer. Because, after my first day in the office in Bethesda, they said the doctor said, Okay, well, are you the only one that can do this? If that is the case, thanks for stopping by and showing us what you could do. But your reach is very limited. If you are the only one that can do this. However, if you can teach healthcare providers how to do what you do, then we would be very interested in working with you because that would extend the reach. I said, Well, I am not sure how I would teach someone, but I will begin that, generating that idea and again, that was 20 years ago. Now, I do workshops and I show people within the medical community and I show people who have absolutely no medical training whatsoever myself. 

If you go on YouTube, you will see some testimonies where I interview people before they start the workshop. Who are you? Where are you from? Why are you here? What are your credentials or what is your background? Some people are in the healthcare field, but some people are in hospitality management, some people are automotive mechanics, some people are plumbers, and some people are lawyers. Then at the end of the the weekend workshop, I re-interview them again and say, okay, how did your weekend go? I say, Well, over the weekend I learned how to see blood indications, thyroid indications, digestive medications, and liver indications. Then someone else might say something, Well, I learned to see respiratory indications, reproductive indications, muscular skeletal indications. Not everyone learns the same thing. It is unique to each person what they learn. I just provide them with a spectrum of indicators and what they can learn in a weekend.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

I always think about the story you had I cannot remember what the Spaniards were discovering, the new America or discovering America. You had the Indians that were looking out or the natives at that time looking out. The shaman, the spiritual leader, was able to see these things out on the ocean, that were the boats. But yes, the other tribe members say they would never see a boat, they did not know what it looked like, and they could not see it. But it took a while for them that as the shaman was pointing it out then, then all of a sudden they were starting to recognize, yes, there is something there, there is a boat. Yes. To me, this is then a capacity that each individual can have. All they need to do is just have somebody pointing it out and then with that they can more able to see changes in people’s health and also within their health, I would assume as well. Then use that as a guide and as they are making changes in their protocols and hopefully getting better or if they are doing something that getting worse, they can see those things.

John Kortum

Yes, absolutely.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Tell me a little bit about what goes through some of the indicators and what is it that you see. This we are going to focus on and this summit is on cancer. But, cancer can happen in any organ. What would be some examples of indicators that people can recognize?

John Kortum

Well, I can give my description. Sometimes photographs work. I would say that when I look at people who have digestive imbalances, I learn to perceive a density or concentration about them. When I look at their face, I want to be sure to say that I do not look at the area of the body where the organ is located. I get all this information just by looking at people’s faces. When I meet with people in a doctor’s office or as clients, it is in a conversational setting. We just sit down and we just talk as you and I are now. They do not get into gowns or they do not have to disrobe. I do not look at the area of the liver, where the liver is. I just get all the information from people’s faces. For people that have what I perceive as a density or concentration when I look at their face, it tells you about their digestive system. Now, the more dense it is, the lower down the track. It is towards the colon and large intestine. If it is what I would call a lighter density, then it relates to the upper intestinal tract and stomach. For people who appear to be ashy, that can relate to their respiratory system. Blood shows up to me in many ways. Blood shows up to me as a tension on the skin, a veneer, a very thin veneer. If you can think of a suit of armor, but it is very thin. Again, I do not see it. I feel it when I look at people. I blend my eyesight with my sense of touch. That is how I perceive texture.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

It is almost like looking at a 3-D painting in a way and not exactly that. But it is you are not focusing you are looking differently on the face. You are seeing the texture rather than the. I do not know if I am explaining myself appropriately. You are looking at it differently.

John Kortum

Yes. If I perceive a tension on the face, there are two ways that I see blood indications. One, if there is a blood illness like leukemia or lymphomas, but then there is one that relates to just blood ingredients. How’s the potassium? How’s the iron? How’s the cholesterol? How’s the sugar? The body starts with an indication and then it runs out into a lot of detail, and I have learned. Some of the examples that you and I have talked about when I perceive people with a type two diabetic experience, still appear to me to have a chalk dust to powdered sugar appearance to them with people that may have darker complexions. It may appear to me as cinnamon, a dusting of cinnamon.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Do you have any? I know you have a couple of photos to share. Do you mind just showing it so people can get a visual?

John Kortum

That now?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, I think that would be great since we were talking about it. Just, just so that people can have a little bit of a connection. Well, what the, what it is. Yes. Just hit the play button. Yes.

John Kortum

Here’s an example of someone that I would say is pastel chalky: the woman who has been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, I can see that as having that powdery look to it.

John Kortum

Here is someone with a darker complexion. Here’s where I perceive some cinnamon. This is a photograph of a man testing his blood sugar with a device on his finger.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes. That is disabling.

John Kortum

When you look at it, Michael, Again, has powderedness but it does not have a full saturation to his skin. There is a comparison there if that makes sense to you. Let me see here, we go down here. Let me go down and compare.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Go a little higher. Yes. Let us go. We want to go higher up.

John Kortum

Is that working?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, let us. Because you are talking. Yes, here we are talking about and this is fascinating in regards to cancer and because you are these are two people dealing with cancer. But here you talk about something different. There is a moisture level that you also saw. In addition to the the indicators that that.

John Kortum

Yes. Here is a real opportunity to notice some distinctions between people’s faces and what you might see when you look now. The woman on the right has been identified as a cancer survivor. They have both been, these are cancer patients. The woman on the right identified as a cancer survivor. The woman on the left also had cancer. But you may notice a little bit of a variation in terms of what I would call the moisture, where the woman on the might appear more saturated, where the woman on the left might appear less saturated if that makes sense to you.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, absolutely. It is very distinct.

John Kortum

I am going to say that if I go back, I will think of honey as the moisture of life. Whenever I look at people’s faces, I perceive this as just the nice moisture or glycerin that people have when they are healthy. It reminds me of seeing honeycombs full of honey. If you have ever seen a beehive or a wasp nest that is been abandoned and it looks like a dry comb, that is what I see when people have reduced levels of moisture. We have talked about these, too. But now here would be an example of someone who is in a very reduced state of moisture.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes.  So with that moisture I have, it seems it represents life in a way where if you have more moisture, you have more vitality, more life, and a better possibility of living in a certain way.

John Kortum

Yes. Everybody has a lifespan moisture level. Just because you have robust or healthy moisture does not mean that you are free and clear of illness or any disease. You still could have some challenges, but your moisture level matters when you get into cancer and complex diseases. Now, counter to that, people who have really good moisture will suffer a cardiac arrest. But because that is a specific organ function, when cancer starts coming into the body and the body environment starts getting aware of all this, that is when it starts affecting the whole system. At least that is my understanding of it currently. But I do know people who have had really good moisture and can still have a heart attack. Moisture releases most of it into cancer and complex diseases. When I meet with people who have been diagnosed with cancer and they have good moisture, I pretty much say they should be okay. Probably going to work out for you. 

When I meet people who have cancer and their moisture is not as good, I would say that you’ve got some challenges ahead of you, and you probably need to move on this quickly. You probably do not have a whole lot of time to wait six or eight months to decide whether or not you are going to do this treatment, whether or not you are going to do that treatment, or what you are going to do. I never hurry anyone into any form of treatment. I know there are certainly a lot of questions about chemotherapy. I would say eight out of my eight out of ten friends who receive chemotherapy are deceased. Perhaps two lived. But I am going to suggest something else may have been responsible for why they left, not necessarily the chemo. I know a lot of people would be dying to hear me say that, but that is when it gets into a lot about what the body talks about. further on that we have not gotten to yet.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Have you seen people with dry moisture levels improve? It does not mean that it cannot happen, but I am just curious if you have seen it.

John Kortum

I have seen people’s moisture levels improve, but it is not necessarily cited that I started juicing, doing this, or doing that. It would seem to be more about their own body’s function, and moisture is not to be confused with hydration. How much water you drink has nothing to do with your moisture level. Moisturizing creams have nothing to do with your moisture level. This is something that is sourced within the body. I understand there is still some unknown information about the moisture level because, as we discussed earlier, I have repeatedly reached out to the medical community to assist me in finding the biomarker that relates to the moisture level. I think if we could identify that, we could at least learn how to perhaps enhance it and sustain it, or if we do not fully understand it, perhaps we could at least stabilize people’s moisture as they go through the devastating treatments of cancer so they can at least survive because once the moisture level starts going down for the cancer treatments, then it is just both the cancer and the chemotherapy bringing people down.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

It is fascinating. As you were doing the honeycomb, it reminded me of when I do a dry blood sample and we do these blood cell analyses. Then you also can do a dry blood sample where you do a little blotch on the screen or a slide and then look under the microscope. You can see then the tissue integrity of that sample. If it looks like a seam meaning that a good tissue integrity would look like a cross-section of a tree without any termite holes in it. Yes, it would just be nicely knitted, strong tissue and then you have somebody with cancer that is gone further used you see that tissue as does not have that integrity the big holes that big wide holes yes big termite holes so to say, and that and that is fascinating. That is what I was thinking there when I saw that it was interesting. I had a patient several years ago that it was bad enough that I said, You should go and go to run these different tests. She did and she had lymphoma. Yes. It is interesting how tissue integrity and vitality.  

John Kortum

I also know the lifespan moisture level, which physicians or anyone would know is jaundice. By the time someone’s jaundiced, it is a little too late. For me, I can learn how to see the lifespan moisture level before it gets to that intensity of state. Are you still there?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

I am still there. Okay. Yes.

John Kortum

I am confident that there is a biomarker because I have asked physicians. I said, Look, if someone is jaundiced, their skin is yellow, and the white of their eyes is yellow. If you took their blood and it looked normal? No, there is no way someone could have jaundice and their blood test results would be, You look great. But by the time again, having jaundice is too late. By the time again, there is so much lost moisture. It is too late. Perhaps you have noticed and I have talked to other physicians that have worked in cancer wards with people in the in stages of their life. They agree that many people, not everyone because I do know people that are, in their nineties and still have good moisture just because as you get older does not mean you are going to lose moisture. But when people are in the end stages of their life, they go, yes, I as a physician, could look at them and go, they look arid, they look dry. The purpose of what I want to share with people is you need to begin to see that when it starts happening, not when it already happens. If we could find out what that biomarker is, to me, that would be of tremendous import.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Have you noticed anything or any changes that an individual can make to be able to stop the depletion of this moisture level?

John Kortum

As of now, no, because I have reached out to medical science for laboratory technologies and support, and just thinking about it is not going to provide the solution.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Also going down to the different organs, say here we have organ indicators, and let us say somebody has pancreatic cancer. The organ we are dealing with is the pancreas. We still have both the moisture levels, but we also have the organ itself. Then you would see that there is something there as an indicator of the pancreas. But would you then be able to determine? I know that you have got to, as time has gone by, fine-tune what you are seeing. Are you able to see the difference between something as severe as cancer versus inflammation of the pancreas or just digestive issues?

John Kortum

Well, I can use an example. When it comes to organ indicators, yes, the body provides information for people on how to restore their health. We are comparing that to how to restore moisture. I do not know how to restore moisture just yet, but for example, I was working with a gentleman from Central America who had liver tumors and some pancreatic enzymes or information that was not looking good. When I talk to him about, Okay, here’s what you can do to improve your liver function and pancreatic function, but again, it has nothing to do with diet, fitness, lifestyle, meditation, yoga, or anything else. Here is what your body is telling me to tell you to do. He contacted me a few months ago, and he said, Well, my doctors were afraid to operate because everything was going on. He said, I just got back from the doctor, and my tumors are gone. but he had good moisture at the same time. Again, that is where the body’s letting me know when you have good moisture, and then there is a lot to work with.

I have not seen too many people rebound from low moisture, but when it comes, to the people that just have hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism and it is not cancer, then yes, when I tell them what their body says, here is what you need to do to get well. If they listen and follow that information, they get well; a lot of people do not because they have several reasons why they will not get well. For example, I met with a woman on the West Coast, and she said, I do not love my husband, but I am not getting a divorce. I hate my job, but I am not quitting it. I do not know where I live, but I am not moving now. Fix me. Well, there is a lot to work with there, and it is setting the bar pretty high because your body wants you to be fulfilled and happy in life. If you are saying you are unwilling to make any changes whatsoever, where can you go? Perhaps you have encountered that yourself. I do not know. But a gentleman in Costa Rica was open to the changes that he needed to make.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, I have had patients come in and deal with severe cancer, and I said, Well, you got to quit eating that and quit eating that. You have got to make this life change. that life changed and said, Well, I had ice cream all my life, every night, and I have been fine. I cannot stop eating my ice cream. Then yes, I do not want to stop doing this. I have smoked all my life. I do not want to stop smoking, and my mom smoked till she was 90, and she was fine. It is, and so they do not make life changes. then they choose. I tell them, Well, you can choose between your ice cream or your life. A number of them say I would rather have my ice cream. Life is very much shortened. But yes, it is always fascinating.

John Kortum

Yes, I am still pursuing the life-span moisture level. I am writing about it in the next book. I do not have all the answers, but, just in the general sense, I think that what is important to the body’s moisture is, at least for my understanding now, from a physiological perspective, not from a spiritual or cosmic perspective just yet, but from a physiological perspective. As long as you can keep the lymph system and the blood moving and not just become inactive, and when I say keeping the lymph system moving, you need to break a sweat. You need to go for a walk. Okay, that is great. Probably not going to affect your moisture level. My understanding now is that you want to at least keep the fluid in the plumbing system of the body moving. You want to keep the limbs flowing, filtering, and clear. The way I would say that is, to engage in an activity that has you breaking a sweat, whether that is swimming, running, tennis, or anything else that can move the lymph system. Because I think for a lot of people, especially in our 9-to-5 world, which is 7-to-7 now, they are just sitting at desks. Anything you can do to get the circulatory system moving, get the blood moving, and get the blood filtering is the only thing I know now that would best support your lifespan moisture, but I have no clinical evidence of that whatsoever.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

It is just anecdotal. Observational, yes. I am also curious about what you talked about. As you were talking to the organ, what does that look like? Yes, you talked about the gentleman with the liver tumors, and you were talking about his organ. What does that mean?

John Kortum

Well, as I see indicators, I blend my sense of sight with my sense of touch. I would say about two-thirds of the way through the study. I was in the Bethesda study for about 16 months. I want to say about ten months. The doctor said, Okay, this is great that you can see this, but can you tell us why people are getting sick? We have Vega yoga and yoga teachers in their 30s with cancer, and then we have people in their 50s and 60s who do not exercise. They admit to toxin consumption, and they are pretty much doing great now. We do not know how it is going to end for them, but as of now, they are doing better than the Vega yoga teachers. Can you tell us why people are not well, why the medications are not working, why the chemo is not working, and so on? That is when I learned to blend my hearing with my eyesight and touch.

To me, it was even in a clinical environment, sitting in a trinity of meeting the health care practitioner and the patient in an examination room, which is small, like stepping into a dark auditorium. I do not know; I just played it like a theater of their lives. I start getting imagery of memories. I get soundbites of conversations, and I start hearing about stuff that has happened in their past that tells me how they have positioned themselves in their lives, which is eroding that specific organ function. For example, when it comes to liver function and pancreatic function, the body talks about these as the organs that hold performance expectations. We do not have to look too far into our world of media to look at people in the I.T. field or Hollywood, performing actors, where people have perhaps had some performance expectations placed on them or themselves. Certainly, you can think of someone who has designed some computers that succumb to pancreatic cancer. They probably had some performance expectations, and it can show up in a couple of ways. People can have very high expectations of themselves but very relaxed standards for the people around them, or they can reverse it and have very relaxed standards for themselves but expect perfection from people around them, or they will do both. They expect perfection from themselves and the people around them.

That is just to cover the spectrum of how that might show up. If you can think of some athletes, perhaps some football players, that have succumbed to liver disease and it is just sighted as steroids, I am going to say that the steroids are just a cover for what is going on. As I have worked with a lot of attorneys, they say there is a high level of liver disease or liver complications in the legal field because we have so much performance anxiety placed on us that we never really get to celebrate anything we accomplish. Consequently, they will decompress from their performance-based expectations for the use of alcohol. So then, when they go to the doctor and they have been told, funny, they have liver disease, they say, Well, yes, I drink that. They stop there. That’s it. Connect the dots. Done. They do not look at the drinking. Is it just the symptoms or the cover of what is going on? In that gentleman’s situation in Central America, you start looking at the performance and expectations that his parents had placed on him, and then he absorbed them too, and as he began to break free from that, within about nine months, the tumor started going away. This is what I tell people to do. 

A lot of people will come to me and expect that they are going to get well over the weekend. What I say to people is that your body’s awareness is not going to be full. When we make New Year’s Eve resolutions on January 1st, Oh, we are all going to lose weight and go work out at the gym. From January 1st to January 6th, the gym is packed. People are all over there. Come February 1st, not so much. What the body’s saying is, we are not going to be lulled into a false sense of promise. We want to know if this is going to be an enduring pattern. This is going to be the new behavior. So that is why people notice changes that I work with every six to nine months. I have a really good video on YouTube about a gentleman who was on active duty on 9/11 and at a high-ranking level within the government in the Navy, where he then developed an enlarged prostate and elevated PSA. When we started talking about his fear of 9/11 and everything that happened on 9/11 and his fear of why he was in the military in terms of defending the United States, within about six months, his prostate returned to normal. PSA levels went to normal without diet, fitness, lifestyle, surgery, treatment, or anything but just taking a look at his fear. Once the body is heard, and I want to suggest that too, Michael, that is why medications cause side effects—just because the body wants to be heard, not doped, not slammed. That is why the body resists in the form of side effects.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes. The body is trying to communicate through physical symptoms, and you then reach for a pharmaceutical medication, alcohol, or something else recreational, or, as you put it, just duct tape over the mouth of the body so it cannot communicate. Now you have the frustration of not being able to communicate, but you still have the initial issue.

John Kortum

The way the body decompresses is through side effects.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes.

John Kortum

Because it cannot be released from here, it starts releasing everywhere else.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

This is fascinating. We got a performance reminder again. For liver,

John Kortum

Liver, pancreas.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Okay. Then the prostate was a fear?

John Kortum

It is about security in the world. Is the world a safe place, or is the world a dangerous place?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Do you mind going through some of the different organs? Because this is fascinating. Then let us say breasts, for instance. There are a lot of breast cancers out there. What?

John Kortum

Well, let me go back to the prostate for just a second, because I went through a long period translating a lot about what the body had to say about each of the organs. Then, once I found out, I started doing some research to see how accurate this was. With the prostate, with fear or security in the world, there are extremely high levels there. There are higher levels of prostate imbalances for people in the military, police, firefighting, and other dangerous occupations. Now, you do not necessarily have to be a soldier in combat, in the Pentagon, or just in a military office. That whole consciousness about women in a defense role is subject to attack. It is a dangerous place, and the US is going to be attacked. We have to stop that. Just that whole conversation. There are higher rates of prostate imbalance in occupations such as the military, police, and firefighting compared to any other occupation. I think that’s pretty. I have looked at stuff on the Internet that seems to confirm that they noticed that. Now they look at, well, what were the soldiers eating when they were in boot camp? What chemicals are the firefighters exposed to, and what is their firefighting foam? They are not looking at the larger perspective again. It is still very much more of a physical cause and effect than a perceptual cause and effect. How do we perceive the world? Because all my friends and I know that their husbands are in the Pentagon and stuff, How’s their prostate? He is on medication. Yes, no surprise. 

Breasts would go to nurture. That can again show up in a few ways: women can be very self-critical, all about the way they have been nurtured in their lives, or they are resistant to being nurtured. They do not want to be dependent on or in a nurturing situation with someone. They want to be a one-woman island, and they just want to handle it all. They are just, they just isolate themselves and do not allow themselves to be nurtured, or they are critical or beat themselves up about how they raised their kids. Now I know maybe they had kids in their twenties and thirties and now in their fifties and sixties and look back and they go, well, maybe I did not do as good a job as I could have done it. Whatever the considerations and conversations are, they might have a lot of evidence to beat themselves up. What I always tell women is that it is never too late to reconnect with your children and positively nurture them. I am not saying we parent them as if your children are now adults, but you can still reconnect and nurture your children in ways that would be meaningful to them without parenting them. If you would like to work on your breast health in terms of reclaiming your breast health.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

It is fascinating. Now that we are seeing a lot of colorectal, I see a lot of colorectal coming through my practice. It seems to be younger and younger, which I think is extremely sad and upsetting. What would you say? Well, what would be there? Sorry for putting you on the spot.

John Kortum

I can tell you exactly what is going to be there, but I am going to tell you that I will probably get creamed on the medical circuit for saying this. First of all, we have to talk about the digestive system, and then we can talk about why young people are having that happen now. Because, as you and I have known, colorectal cancer was something that occurred to people in their 60s and 70s. It did not happen to people in their younger years. Now, all of a sudden, it’s happening. Millennials are getting colon cancer. What is conventional science doing? What are they eating or not eating? Again, it has a very limited horizon. In my conversations with the body, the digestive system is a very long organ in the body, a long track talks about how just as the body digests food for nutrition for the body functions, how are we digesting our experiences? By and large, people are conditioned, Michael, to perceive our experiences as good or bad, positive or negative, reward or regret. You, advance or mistake. As we know, no one’s upset about the positive experiences in their life. We are pretty easy with the fulfilling experiences we have; pretty much we are we can be hung up on, what we have called negative experiences, and what the body would say is that all experiences, positive and negative, have nutrition for your life.

But if you deem them negative and stop there, you cease the digestion of that experience; it gets locked or it gets held. The body says, Go back and take a look through your life, and for some people, there can be some big volcanoes. I know people who were married and had a tumultuous divorce. But ten to 20 years later, they are still angry about that divorce. I know people who had divorces and have moved on. They are free and clear. It is all about how we look at and digest our experiences. It does not necessarily have to be a big volcano or a tumultuous divorce. It can be a series of small bumps along the way. But either way, those tend to set up patterns that will position us to be disempowered, disrespected, dissatisfied, and unfulfilled. What the body says is that you need to recognize, go back, and recognize those moments that you have deemed negative and never looked any further to find out what the positive nutrition is in those moments. Even if you were, we are told that was a horrible experience. That was awful. You can at least say, I am looking at it from a bigger perspective. I can now acknowledge those people who played a role in helping me see how I allowed myself to be disempowered by the fact that that pattern is functioning in my life, whether I am aware of it or not. But now that I am aware of it, I can take action and acknowledge those people. That is the positive nutrition that I would say.

Now, as I have also worked with people who have come from childhood abuse, we can get into the many details of how childhood abuse can show up for some of those people. They have said to me, Look, if you are going to ask me to forgive those people, you can leave the room now. I am just saying that what happened was unforgivable, and there is no excuse for what they did. My response to that is, Okay, that may be true, but if you are telling me that you are unwilling to forgive them, chances are you are unwilling to forgive yourself on many levels as well. Because if you look at your bank account of your life, if you only have $50,000 and someone comes to you and says, I need $100,000 of forgiveness and you only have $50,000, you cannot forgive them at that level, which I am going to say means that you have also limited your forgiveness.

We do not have to talk about forgiving those people now. Let us focus on forgiving ourselves and let us flex that muscle, because chances are, how you do anything is how you do everything. If you are not forgiving them, you are not forgiving yourself. When it comes to millennials or younger people, I am going to say I am going to assert that in today’s handheld device world, the Internet world, people are so related and just commentary that young people today are not fully digesting their experiences. I know this is where I am going to get green biomedical science. I am going to say that they have somehow become detached because you and I come from an environment where there was no internet as we were growing up. We relate to people.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, we did not even have answer machines.

John Kortum

We do not ghost people. You and I did not ghost people. We had to work it out, or at least bring a friendship to closure, but we just did not ghost people. I am just saying that people just disconnect so easily now. That is the assertion I am going to make: if people of any age can learn how to best digest their experiences, that is going to be supportive of their digestive health.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

That is interesting. Because they just cannot scroll, one upsetting thing after another, or they are just scrolling through and getting all these impressions, and they do not have time to process any of it because they are hit by it, one after another, continually.

John Kortum

Well, I do not have children, but I have friends of mine who do. They say they will be driving in the car. But my kids will not talk to me, but they will text me from the backseat. Even though we are in the car together, rather than talk to me, they will just text me, and I am. There is an interruption to flow there.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Talk to me about anything else that I know we cannot go through every organ. Yes, it would be cool, but I am sure that you are working on a book or something. Where were you going to go through all of this at some point? Is there another one that sticks out to you that you feel is really important to point out?

John Kortum

Well, I will speak to the respiratory system about injustice, unfairness in the world, or inequality. If you know people in your life who have asthma or respiratory complications, how do they perceive it? It can show up in several ways. Again, it could be on a global scale. All we have to do is turn on the nightly news and see how unfair the world is. One group of people always treats another group of people unfairly, or it could be on their level; they just always feel they are behind the eight ball. They cannot get ahead. I just never get the good breaks, whatever the conversation is, and in the way you can support people, that is to interrupt that conversation and say, Look, there is some equality in the world. Let us focus on that. There have been some opportunities in your life. Let us focus on the fact that rather than just the spiraling-down narrative. 

Thyroid disease for women is power in organs, and thyroid imbalances of thyroid disease for women worldwide are rampant. Now, what I think is interesting is that when we look at third-world countries like India, they attribute thyroid imbalances to the low levels of iodine or salts in the diet. It is, well, wait a minute. Here we are in the United States with a very salt-rich diet, and we have lots of thyroid disease. Oh, in the United States, it is an autoimmune disease. Well, wait a minute. If we send salt to India, will everybody get well, or will they convert to an autoimmune disease instead of getting one? But there is certainly enough information in the world to know that women come up against glass ceilings in politics and business. It is a powerful organ for women. I always work when I work with people. I always talk about women. Let us take a look at your position. Are you positioning yourself to be empowered or disempowered?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Fascinating. Well, John, I know we can. You do several-day workshops where you teach these different techniques. People can go to a website to learn more about where they can find these workshops. Also, yes, this book is awesome. I would highly suggest that people read it. It is a great book, and it gets you going in that direction. I feel that, as individuals, we do not understand the powers and abilities we have. To be able to look at these types of techniques that are outside the norm, we then start to learn more about ourselves and our environment. Then I think we are gaining them. It is empowering in itself, and that puts us in a place where we do not become victims and then drives us towards health diseases that we do not think we should have.

John Kortum

Absolutely.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Well, John, thank you. This was amazing.

John Kortum

Well, thank you, Michael. I am delighted and honored to be on your show. Thank you so much.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, can you tell me where they can find you? Let us know, what is your website.

John Kortum

Well, my website is just my name. It is johnkortum.com and I have a YouTube channel that has a lot of videos that will show live demonstrations and stuff we are talking about. I currently teach a weekend workshop introducing people to the organ indicators. I am working on a second book now. I am not teaching as much. I am just doing a few workshops a year, but I still travel around the world with clients. I also do Zoom meetings for people who live in remote locations or whatever. 

However, I am focused on getting this second manuscript published so that it will be possible; you do not need to be able to see an indicator to get the value from my second book. The first book is about how to see indicators and how well they perform in a clinical environment and why that is important. But this is really about resources for whatever health imbalance you may be experiencing. This will give you information about how to move off of that. Your current position and moving to a place of power

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Love it. Thank you so much.

John Kortum

Thank you, Michael.