Unlock The Healing Pharmacy Within You

Ann Shippy, MD

Welcome to the Mold, Mycotoxin, and Chronic Illness Summit. I am your host, Dr. Ann Shippy. Today we get to talk with one of my favorite humans on the planet. I could get teary-eyed just by introducing him. He brings together some of my favorite topics: quantum physics, neuroscience, and hard-core medical research. He teaches people how to truly tap into their innate ability to heal or optimize their health. Thank you so much, Dr Joe, for joining us today.

Dr Joe Dispenza

I am so happy to be with you, Dr. Ann. I am happy to be here.

Ann Shippy, MD

When I was making my wish list, you were at the top of the list because, more than anybody on the planet, I feel you give people hope. That is what this summit is about. A lot of our listeners are extremely ill from environmental toxicity, and they are losing hope. What I find is that for those of us who are doing our work, it just changes so much in our lives and helps our biology or biochemistry to work so much better that we can heal so much more quickly.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Sure. Not only biochemistry but down to the immune system, which is just another system that gets robust when we get back in balance.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes. You have had some pretty exciting things happen this year. It would be fun. I know a lot of our listeners are familiar with your work, but if you want to talk a little bit about some of these exciting things that have been happening with the research.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes, the whole reason that I got interested in doing research was because we were watching transformations take place before our eyes. Changing form, changing biology, changing chemistry, and changing gene expression. When you see somebody, for example, M.S., who has been on the throne in a wheelchair for ten years, all of a sudden walk around your event and dance around, I think that was the moment where I started realizing something was happening, and we have to be able to measure that, whatever that effect is. The whole impetus behind doing all the research was to quantitatively substantiate what was happening in human testimony. We started seeing people having dramatic changes in their health, and that was happening inwardly. So we wanted to demystify the process to see exactly what was happening. If you look at most people’s brains, they do not work right. 

How do you make the brain work better? How do you get your heart back into balance, order, and coherence instead of living with survival and stress? If genes are just a library of potential, is there a way then to see if that person downregulated the gene for arms and began to upregulate genes for health and immunity, and then looking at the blood and studying thousands of metabolites, the information in the blood that was not there before that experience is now that something inwardly is happening in their nervous systems, making a pharmacy of chemicals that causes the body to move back into balance and homeostasis? We studied the immune system, and we wanted to see what exactly strengthens the immune system from that inward state, not from a gluten-free vegan, low-stress caveman diet, which I don’t have a problem with to get yourself back into chemical balance. But what about that emotional balance that seems to keep the brain and body out of homeostasis and out of order?

We started looking to see: if could you upregulate the immune function as well. We started looking at urine, saliva, and breast milk in terms of facial expressions, language, and the microbiome. The idea was and what I pitched to the scientists: if we think 90% of our thoughts are the same thoughts as the day before and the same thoughts lead to the same choices and the same choices lead to the same behaviors, the same behaviors create the same experiences, and the same experiences produce the same feelings and emotions, and those same feelings. Emotions tend to influence the very same thoughts to go through that cycle again. Then I said that the research was our biology, nerve circuitry, chemistry, hormones, or immune function and that gene expression should stay the same because we are the same. Then is it possible to give people new information and give them new science as that language of transformation and change? They learned that information. They could wire in their brains; they could think differently. That new thought should lead to a new choice. That new choice should lead to a new behavior. A new behavior should create a new experience. A new experience should produce a new feeling and a new emotion. Is it possible that new emotions can inspire new thoughts?

I would think that would be evolution. But when we started doing the research in the last five years, were we sunk in at the university level? I never thought we would see the type of changes we would see in human biology just by applying that simple principle and immersing people for seven days in the experience of change—to change what we do, the inner work to change ourselves.

Now, if you think differently and act differently, you will feel differently. You have a different personality. A different personality should have a different biological expression than the personality who is living by the thoughts. I can. It is too hard. I will never change. I hate my life. I complain, I blame, and I make excuses. I feel sorry for myself. These are unconscious programs because we have practiced them so many times. Different behaviors. Yes, all the way back to when we learned that from somebody else and then felt the same feelings and emotions. Then my life should stay the same. Nothing changes in my life until I change. We start to see if people develop different personalities over time. Their disease did not exist in that personality. They existed somewhere else. If you look at our data around the microbiome as an example now, and this conference is about mold and environmental toxins, you cannot talk about that without talking about the microbiome, so if you look at a person’s microbiome at the end of seven days, our weeklong event, and you see the significant changes that are taking place without changing their diet, without eating low-sugar, low-stress foods, taking probiotics, or taking samples, they are doing none of those things.

Normally, that process is an elongated one because you have to keep making the same choices every day to keep your body moving back into chemical balance. There is nothing wrong with that. But if you are still reacting to your coworker and you are still in stress, in traffic, and living in anxiety, you are out of emotional and chemical balance in the long run anyway. But if you get it right and you go 60 to 90 days, you may see some changes in the microbiome. We see dramatic changes in the microbiome in seven days without going through any of those conventional means. I am sitting with the researchers in Vienna, and we were talking about this, and I said to them, What do you think? What do you think is happening? They were, well, we do not know, and that is always where we start. One of our guys just said the microbiome changes because they are not the same person. The different person has a different microbiome, the old person has the same microbiome, and we all scratched our heads, and we are. There is brilliance in that, and then there is understanding.

If our response to getting the answer to the question is to the environment, your coworker, our traffic, the news, your emails, your best friend, your kids, your spouse, or your partner, if our response to those conditions in your outer world or our response to the very thoughts that you think are producing the emotions that are derived from the hormones of stress, then our response is weakening the organism. and you have three types of stress: physical, chemical, and emotional, which means you now have three types of balance: physical, chemical, and emotional. With human beings, that emotional response is the most immediate thing that moves the body out of homeostasis because living in stress and living in survival means switching on that sympathetic nervous system. The sympathetic nervous system moves the body out of balance intentionally to survive, and it recruits all of its resources for that threat, real or imagined.

In the short term, all organisms can tolerate that. But with the long-term effects of living under stress and survival, there is no growth or repair. Now there is autonomic dysregulation. That means when there is autonomic dysregulation, the signal from the limbic brain is incoherent. It is out of order. It is not balanced. There is no rhythm, there is no cadence, and there is no information making it to the cell. You look at the digestive system. Well, not a time to digest if your response to the environment is always an emergency. So you start secreting fewer acids, or you start hypersecreting acids. But now digestion is compromised, and timing is compromised. If you are not in that balance, you can have all kinds of systemic effects that are taking place in the digestive tract. That’s where its origins are. But now it is in the blood, and everybody here knows the rest of the story. That chronic state is what’s causing the microbiome to change in its least favorable way because the organisms are proliferating in a host that is weakened. The compromise is that the good bacteria tend to be suppressed and the good bacteria tend to grow, or the microorganisms tend to grow. Now that you are here, your body is weakened to anything you can do just because your response to the environment is causing you to be a victim of the environment, and you are weakened by your environment. You are more susceptible. We thought, Okay, so if we teach people to have different feelings and different emotions, they can do that independently of their environment.

Ann Shippy, MD

Be aware of them. I think a lot of times we are not even aware until we get to go through this process. 

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. Because 95% of it is unaware, it is unconscious or subconscious. The first step is to become aware of those unconscious thoughts, behaviors, and emotions. It is the unlearning process. We discover that when people sit with themselves long enough to catch those thoughts and no longer accept them, believe them, or surrender to them, you notice how they are behaving and acting and look at how they are feeling regularly. You are no longer the program; you are the consciousness observing the program, and you start to objectify your subject self.

Ann Shippy, MD

I have had the honor of getting to do your weeklong with each of my sons individually and then do some of the Cause with them together. It was so fascinating to watch. They are young men. 

Dr Joe Dispenza

I saw them, yes.

Ann Shippy, MD

One was 20 and one was 24 when they first went through. To see them go through that period where they were sitting with their thoughts was not easy. I was so in awe of them that they kept saying they were brave. They just kept going. The things that they said once they were through it and the changes that happened in their lives—to be driving and somebody cut them off or whatever and not react or anything—they just felt they were a kinder, gentler, more loving person. They learned that they could navigate through the world with their hearts wide open and know the difference.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. Wow, you learned that at a young enough age. It becomes a valuable tool when you react. The real question is: how long? Anyway, so we thought, okay, if we can teach people how to stop responding and reacting and sit with those emotions instead of getting up and saying, I think I am too busy, I cannot meditate, this is too hard to sit through and ask if there is anything on the other side. I had to sit with it long enough to train the body and condition the body for a new mind. When they finally get beyond that emotion. They are mastering their creations by getting beyond their past because emotions are a record of the past. If you can teach a person now to say, Okay, let us move out of survival, and this goes against everything you have ever done, this is practice opening your heart.

Let us practice feeling the emotions that will open the heart. Let us breathe. Let us take the body out of survival, and we can start feeling those elevated emotions. Could you change your biology without needing anything outside of you? Typically, the environment signals the gene, and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion. When we live by the same emotions, we are signaling the same genes and making the same proteins in our biology. Okay, so give up the resentment, give up the impatience, and give up the frustration. Yes, I know it is easy to feel all those things, justified or not. It is not doing you any good. There is a story that goes along with the past. Let us stop telling that story and start telling a new one. Get that person to feel the emotion, unlearn that old emotion, and recondition their body to a new emotion. Is it possible that the body is so objective that it does not know the difference between the real-life experience that is creating that emotion and the emotion that a person creates by thought alone? If the environment signals the gene and the end product of the experience, and the environment is emotion, could you signal genes ahead of the environment and begin to upregulate health and downregulate disease?

We have seen across the board that you can make your heart work better when you do that, and you can make your immune system work. IgG levels went up by 50% in just four days. You could signal new genes in new ways, release a host of metabolites in your body that begin to promote growth and repair, and not only emotionally feel that emotion, but can you make your brain work better and get it more coherent instead of dysregulated and incoherent? We have figured out how to do that. If you can make your brain work better, could you have a better intention about the faint thoughts you do want to hold on to and believe in? Can you practice rehearsing how you are going to be when you return to your life with your children, with your partner, with your job, with your colleagues, with your cousins, with your family members, with your dog, or with whoever? Could you rehearse how you can be a better person? What’s the greatest example of yourself that you would present to the world? The act of closing your eyes and rehearsing the behavior changes the brain into thinking you have already done it. Now you prime the brain for the behavior. Get good at doing that with your eyes open as well as closed. Your life should change. To answer your question, when we started on this journey, we just never thought that we would see what we are seeing in terms of wonderful and elegant brain states independent of what you eat, independent of your age, independent of where you are from, your social status, or your profession. You can make your brain work better if you just learn how to do that. Could you make your heart work better? Yes. We have thousands of scans to say that you can.

Ann Shippy, MD

I think it can be intimidating for people to even start meditating, much less for a week. But I have to say that what you shared with the responses that you have seen sometimes is even better if you have not. if you just go in and start. Yes. Nobody wants to be intimidated by meditation. Just dive in.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. That is a great conversation because there are a lot of times that spouses come to an event, men and women, where the partner is into the work and they have heard them lecture them up one side and down the other, and they finally come. nothing about meditation. I have never meditated on their lives. They have some of the most profound changes in their bodies simply because they do exactly what you tell them to do. They do not expect much to happen. our data shows that when you don’t expect much to happen, the unexpected is going to happen. That is how it works. We had almost no experience with certain people because we did not do any traditional meditations that were based on culture, religion, or tradition. We look at the data, and we know what works. We know the music that works, the words that work, and the process. We know a whole lot about how to train the brain to a greater rate of state of order.

The exciting part is that whoever you are and whatever you have done in your life, you can make your brain work better and your heart work better. If you understand that when you feel the emotion of your future before it happens, you practice opening your heart, and you have the intention that if you feel this emotion, I could select and instruct new genes to change your biology, if you have that intention as to why you are opening your heart, you will assign meaning to the task, and you will produce a greater outcome. Our data shows that 100% of the people who do that will change the very chemical they think they are fabricating in their autonomic nervous system. What 2% of people are doing is crazy. Our data correlates a lot with human potential. It is, and it is showing that there are so many biological changes, even for novice meditators who have never meditated at all, and that I am curious but skeptical that they come to our events at the end of seven days when we study the metabolites in their blood. There is so much upregulation of so many metabolites, and it is not just a few people; the majority, 77% of the communities are experiencing this dramatic change. Their biology looks like they are living in a different environment, and they are in a ballroom.

Ann Shippy, MD

We are.

Dr Joe Dispenza

There is not too much excitement in the ballroom, but somewhere there is some type of change that is taking place to suggest that they are in a different life or a different environment because the inward changes are producing pharmacies of chemicals that support growth and repair. We have data to show that, while we just came across it, I was just talking to those researchers, and we have data to show that for that one intervention, meditation, we don’t do meditation to heal; we do meditation to change.  When you change, you heal. That is exactly how it works. We demystify the process so that people have those tools within their reach. One intervention, several different diseases, and several different diseases are responding to one intervention, one unusual drug, and 60 different diseases. We study psychosis. Yes, it is crazy.

Then we started looking at pain levels, and across every single disease, at the end of seven days, there was a dramatic reduction in physical and somatic pain. There is a lot of emotional pain that goes with those dramatic changes in pain. We are sitting around dinner, and we are just a bunch of people trying to figure it out. Well, if their pain levels are dropping, are they making that endogenous morphine or endogenous opiate? Let us measure opiates. Again, once we look at the data, 100% of the people, whether novice or advanced meditators, increase their endogenous opiates. There was one particular opiate called diamorphine that was in such high concentrations that the researchers had to dilute the substance to be able to measure it and then multiply that by multiplying the deviations. It is insane because they are making their natural pain relievers. Their nervous system is producing a pharmacy of chemicals that is working better than a drug than an actual exogenous substance. We see changes in the microbiome. We see changes in all these wonderful chemicals. We just published the paper that was recently published on COVID, and we…

Ann Shippy, MD

Congratulations. That is a big deal.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes, we got it, and we got it through. Again, we just looked at our first preliminary studies. We are looking at blood metabolites. We see this one guy in our first test subject. His changes were so dramatic in terms of exosomes and metabolites that we just said, Well, the lab closed because of COVID and we had the blood and we were, let us create a pseudovirus and see if his cell is greater than the environment, just to see if that is possible. Advanced meditators produce this protein that inhibits the virus from entering the cell. It was not just one person. After some time, we saw it across the board, and so you can create a robust immunity when you are not responding to someone cutting you off because your body’s not being weakened by your response to that condition or your very thoughts. Our thoughts produce chemicals, and our chemicals make us feel certain ways. That is a thought, a feeling, an image, an emotion, a stimulus, and a response. You are conditioning the body into the past, which is why change is hard you have to get beyond those emotions. That means you have to get beyond your past.

That takes energy and awareness to be able to do that. the data across the board, yes, in practice. I think that is what a seven-day event does not mean because you are going to sit with you long enough, and so you start liking yourself. then when you realize that nobody’s making you happy but you are free and you don’t need anybody to be happy in you or anything to be happy, and changing your internal state independent of your outer world is why we use meditation in and to change is our model for changes to be greater than nobody that has been conditioned emotionally into the past by remembering events and feeling the emotions. That is an automatic process, and the body believes that it is living in the past all the time. When someone feels that way, they are going to behave and act in sync, and the person’s going to be living in their past and nothing new is going to happen in their life. They are going to be in the known get-up and run-through routine every single day, and you lose their free will to a set of programs, and your body’s dragging them into that predictable future based on what you did in the past. Now, in a sense, you are on autopilot. If the habit is when the body becomes the mind and you practice something so many times that it knows how to do it, but in your conscious mind, then you better be greater than that habit and execute a will that is greater than the program. Human beings have the spirit if they are willing to get present by catching themselves, defaulting in that way, and being uncompromising to the familiar pass, which is the known, or the predictable future, which is known, and settle into the unknown, which is the present moment.

That is very scary when you are living for survival because the unknown means danger. It is unpredictable. Yet if you teach people how to do that, the body starts liberating energy to change, to be greater than your body, to be greater than your environment. Every person, every object, and everything that you have experienced that is known to you is mapped. There are neurological networks in your brain. You have a neurological network for your partner, for your kids, for your home, for your cell phone, for where you sit, where you sleep, and where you work. For the most part, our environment controls how we feel and think because we have a neurological network for everything we have experienced that was known to us, and if we have experienced it, we have an emotion associated with that person. Or are those people, that place, that circumstance, or that thing? To change is to think, act, and feel differently in the same environment. That is the only way you are going to change that thing.

Ann Shippy, MD

It has been so fun to do this with my kids because they see me changing how I respond. They will sometimes poke the bear a little bit like this. Yes, I get to react and see a different response instead of just that preprogram. But the ship is going to be such a gift.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. I think as a parent, the greatest thing we could show our kids is to stop lecturing them and show them what love does, show them what joy looks like, show them what greatness is, show them what restraint and being greater look like, and take the high road. They will notice that in two seconds. That is the greatest teaching tool. In this example, there are mirror neurons; that is the process. Anyway, so to be greater than the environment is to think, act, and feel in the same conditions and not let that person or that circumstance cause you to feel and think equal to their memory and the emotion you have associated with them. Because the moment you do that, you are back to the old personality seamlessly defaulting, back to thinking the same way, acting the same way, and feeling the same way, and nothing changes in your life again. Then you have got to be able to be greater than the environment, and you have got to be able to sit in that present moment and be greater than time.

That is our change model. So we use meditation to disconnect from the environment, to get beyond the emotions, habits, and drives of the body and not let it get up and feel, experience, smell, taste, see, hear, shut up, shut out your outer world, get beyond your body, and get into the present moment. That is what we use meditation for. Then we used to also use the model of meditation not only to change, not only to be greater in our body environment over time because that is what it means to change, but also to change our brainwave states. We have got to get out of the thinking brain and the analytical mind. We had to learn how to get into that state where we are out of survival, and people are not just in a certain state when they are in their conscious mind. Sometimes they are driven by hormone stress. Their brain is highly modulated and compartmentalized. They are shifting their attention to one person, one problem, one thing, one place, another problem, another person, another thing, and their cell phone. They are all over the board, and their brains are very disintegrated. It is modulated; it is firing in compartments. so they are over-focused and in a very narrow focus. They drive their brains further out of balance into these high, aroused states just by thought alone. Analyzing your life within that disturbing emotion is going to make your brain worse 100% of the time. How do you get people out of those analytical programs?

Ann Shippy, MD

It is so easy to snowball.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. Then we have discovered that when you teach people how to broaden their awareness and when they sense and stop thinking and they take their attention off everything, physical and material, everything is known, and they keep practicing that process, they start to integrate their brain into more synchronized patterns. The brain becomes much less modulated, more holistic, much less compartmentalized, and more balanced. They can get out of survival, get out of stress, and move into those more creative brainwave states and meditation we use as a way to get beyond the analytical mind. What separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind is the analytical mind, the conscious mind is 5% and the subconscious is 95% of who we are, of those habits, those emotional responses. Then the only way you are going to get into the operating system to rewrite your program is to get out of that thinking brain. We have figured out a way to do that so that people can get into the operating system to rehearse a new way to rewrite a new program. They change their emotional response in practice and their minds.

Lo and behold, you start installing the software. Then the person comes back to conscious awareness. On some level, they are more conscious of their unconscious selves, and they have consciously programmed themselves into a new state. The word meditation means to become familiar with your old self-conscious subconscious that you do go on; don’t go unconscious to those thoughts, behaviors, and emotions in your waking day. Then to became familiar with the new way of thinking, fire, and wire. Those circuits make it more of a software program by keeping doing it; they give it a new voice, a new belief that is taking place in your head. Practice how you are going to behave and not respond to the same conditions in the same way. Rehearse that in your mind. Take the high road and rehearse how you are going to be in certain circumstances, priming your brain for that behavior. Keep doing it. You will do it more easily with your eyes open. Trade fear for love. Practice feeling love. Keep feeling that feeling and keep bringing it up over and over again. You bring it up on your own.

Become so familiar with it that you are making different chemical chemistry in your brain. Keep practicing; you could become somebody else. So we use meditation as a model to change—to change our brainwaves, to get into the operating system, and to be greater than our body environments in time. When people start figuring that out, it becomes very practical. I want it to be practical for people. Because, as we said, if the theme of this course is about mold and fungus and environmental toxins, is it possible then that if you get you if you can have physical stress, which is trauma, accidents, injuries, falls, and sunburns, you could have chemical stress, environmental toxins, molds, chemicals, pesticides, viruses, pollutants, preservatives, bacteria, hangovers, and nutritional deficiencies? There is a chemical imbalance. Then let us talk about emotional or psychological stress. 75 to 90% of every person who walks into a healthcare facility walks in because of psychological and emotional stress. That is four out of five people. Then you can get your body physically in balance.

You can do yoga, you can do interval training, you can do weights, you can do cardio, you can do sprints, you can do massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, and all those things that get you back into physical balance. You could take all the vitamins, take all the probiotics, eliminate certain foods that make your body out of balance, avoid environmental conditions, and keep your body in chemical balance. But if the signal to the cell is fear, rigidity, control, anger, self-judgment, or frustration, and that is the person’s emotional state, then their bodies believe they are living in a harsh environment. The body’s not going to sustain homeostasis because that person is constantly keeping the body out of balance. Now, there is nothing wrong with doing those other things. But if the person does not take care of self-regulation and understanding, justified or not, that emotion, the only person that is harming is you. That is the bottom line here. Get the body out of homeostasis and get back into autonomic regulation. Can it begin to write itself back into balance? Could the body naturally release those chemicals that can suppress those molds and funguses and create 

Ann Shippy, MD

More things are better.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Just more robust responses and resilience? So the interest is to be able to teach people how to do that and shorten the refractory period of their emotional responses. Now, in typical clinical settings, get somebody more physically balanced and chemically balanced. Their ultimate goal is to be more chemically balanced. That is how we should see the model. I do not care if you have to use pharmaceuticals or whatever to get the person back into emotional balance. No one’s a master at this yet, but the reliance on something outside of us and our becoming independent to change our internal state excludes our ability to take care of that emotional component. We have to be able to address a psychological and emotional stress imbalance. Many people who have immune-mediated conditions have had some trauma or some strong event that has knocked them out of homeostasis and balance, and they have not been able to get back to that point. In a chronic condition, the physical and chemical changes are not going to ultimately make the change that the person wants until they actively become aware that they have to participate in their emotional responses and shorten the refractory period of those emotional reactions.

Most people do not think they can do that. But I promise you, if you sit in meditation and your body is raging and it is frustrated and it is patient and it is angry and it wants to quit, you are not going to let it be the mind and you keep lowering the volume to that emotion. You keep bringing your body back into the present moment that you are telling your body. You are no longer the mind; you are the mind. If you keep doing that, sooner or later, the body is going to surrender. When it does, it is freeing itself from the past. Now take that person—your kids—as an example and have them be driving down the road when somebody cuts them off, and they just don’t have it in there anymore. They are not trying to be spiritual; they are not trying to forgive; they are not trying to be a good person. They feel so good that they do not want to lose the feeling. That is all. I am going to stay here. This feels much better than feeling the other way. So we see oxytocin levels go up in the body that signals nitric oxide, and then the heart starts to open with and thus the derive relaxing factor, and the person feels more love and the more giving and the more caring, and everybody in their life starts to notice there is something different about this person because they are happy for no reason. They are just okay. They are not passing judgment on anyone. They are not talking gossip or trash. They would never do that because they knew that they would lose the feeling, and they just spent seven days overcoming that very program. Why would you want to bring that up again? It is.

Ann Shippy, MD

I feel it is one of the greatest gifts I have given to my kids, and my kids have received it. I am so grateful for you. I love that, as you are talking, I keep having flashbacks to the young man who gave his testimony and leaned in and had muscular dystrophy. To me, that is to have a neurodegenerative genetic disorder when that thing can be reversed. To me, everything else is gravy after that. As you were talking, I was just remembering that he had changed his personality and kept hope, even though he had had years and years since he was a young boy. I would love for you to talk about the genetic changes that can occur.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Well, first of all, I watched that testimony 100 times. I watched it 100 times because, just like the scientists, I keep telling myself I cannot believe this is the truth. I love it when they run the study five, six, or seven times and get the same outcome. They are changing their beliefs. They are discovering something new at that moment. The testimonies that I have seen in the last two years and I have just, I cannot go to sleep at night because I cannot believe this is the truth, you have somebody with a degenerative condition called muscular dystrophy. Now, this guy had it as a child, and his parents knew he had it, but they never told him until he started falling over, and he could not stand up and mount up in a wheelchair. He tried everything and read on the internet that there is no cure, studied it, and learned how to live with it. But the other reason why people do this work is not only to change; they meditate to change, but they meditate to change their beliefs. I talked to some people who had healed from serious chronic health conditions backstage before they got on stage—the four-minute mile for the audience. I asked them, What happened?

They told me the story, and they said I was doing my meditations three times a day, and I was doing them three times a day. That is a lot. what? They said the chemo was not working, the radiation did not work, and the surgery did not change it. The drug trial did not do it; the diet did not do it; and the fasting did not do it. The gluten-free did not do it. Nothing was changing because they were changing. I asked them why, three times a day. they said because I started to doubt. I started to disbelieve, and I had to go in and change my state to believe again that it was possible. What a profound thing, because you cannot believe in the future unless you feel that, from the emotion that is connected to it, you always believe in the past more than the future. This kid was practicing the work three times a day because nothing was working. He never gave up. He was uncompromising, which is a profound statement about who you are as a person. He started doing his meditations, noticing during the week-long event in London that he started having some sensory changes and some motor changes in his body.

He got super excited. Now is the time to bring this collective group of 2,500 people together, and we are all doing it together, and the energy and spirit of the room caused him to start having these profound changes. His skill levels went up quite a bit. The moment you notice the change, you notice the smallest, tiniest, hey, I can feel my toes, or, hmm, I don’t have that feeling of pain any longer or that stiffness, or that when you do, you need one of those, and then you are going to do what you are doing with more intention? You can open your heart more. You are going to create more brain coherence; you are going to surrender more; you are going to connect more. You are going to do what? Because now your belief in that outcome is even greater. We do these healings during our week-long events. You have experienced it, and he was in the river of change, and he was at that moment where he started feeling changes in his biology. He was so grateful, he was so happy, and, I don’t know, seven to eight people were in a circle around him. We believe that it does not matter. That creates the field. It is that field that creates matter. If you change the information, the field, can you change the destiny of matter? We have great science to support, and our data is profound.

We see that people change when people heal, and other people change when we do this. He was just getting lit up. He was in that circle, and those people had brain and heart coherence. They collectively synchronized their energy and changed something in his field when he was out of that wheelchair. He was standing in front of a camera. He was moving back and forth. He was smiling; he was laughing. I just wanted to say that I had a little bit of doubt that this was possible. Now I do not doubt that I am standing. I could stand this. I am walking. I have my balance at the next level. I could not put my hands behind my back. I put my hands behind my back. He is doing all the stuff. He’s laughing at you. You cannot make that up. Do you mean the authentic look on his face in surprise—he got an upgrade? He is in a new body. He is in a whole new life. He’s here now. They sent me a video of him walking down the street when he got home.

Ann Shippy, MD

I saw that.

Dr Joe Dispenza

That changed my belief. I was filming for a documentary, and I did not know this in the documentary. The person was talking about different testimonials in our community. She said, What about that lady who grew her thyroid back? I was on camera. I am, what? Yes, lady, your thyroid is back. I am. No, what are you talking about? Yes, she grew her thyroid back. I am, what? I did not even know that was possible. That is possible. She is already there.

Ann Shippy, MD

It is all it is.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. No. Who is?  Then what is the importance of the testimony? He was that four-minute mile when that kid took the stage and handled it well when he told his story in London, and the entire audience was in tears. He was the one who broke through a certain level of consciousness or unconsciousness. It wasn’t just healing a migraine or whatever. This was big. This is him on his feet. When he tells that story, everybody leans in. He is speaking the truth. I do not have to say anything. He is speaking the truth. People identify with him in their thinking. If he can do it, I can do it. Invariably, someone with that health condition or who is in a wheelchair who sees it as possible changes their belief of what’s possible, and they become conscious of that possibility, which becomes a reality. That consciousness of possibility creates enthusiasm and an energy of change, and that thought has a different frequency.

You have evidence in front of you in three-dimensional reality that somebody did it. That is an imprint, a footprint in the quantum field, which means that possibility is more of a reality. Just after the four-minute mile, someone finally breaks it after doctors and researchers said it was possible physiologically, and two weeks later, someone does it. There have been more people who broke the four-minute mile this year than ever. so it is not difficult anymore. Thousands and thousands of people have done it, so if they pierce this most infectious disease, and we have seen that because in the event we did in Denver last month, we had six people step out of a wheelchair because someone with MS stepped out, and it just became the new normal,

Ann Shippy, MD

I will last a few. I was late coming in for my walking meditation, and there was a woman with ALS who had not stood in over a year and got out of her wheelchair.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. ALS. We have so many people with ALS, and again, that is another one where I have to change my belief. I was just somehow lowered downregulating in a very methodical way the genes for ALS, and they start up regulating those genes for immunity, balance, and anti-inflammation, and everything is cascading in a downward fashion. We came across certain brainwave states when people hit that mystical, transformative moment, and they went way outside of a brainwave state and into a very high gamma brainwave state—a super conscious, high level of arousal. But the arousal was not fear; it was not pain; it was not aggression or anger. The arousal was ecstasy. Those gamma states were somehow in the autonomic nervous system in the brain. Three standard deviations outside of normal in any clinical study is an outlier. That is a lot. These are 200, 300, and 400 standard deviations outside of normal in gamma brainwave states—high energy in the brain. It is not in the neocortex; it is in the limbic brain, the seat of the autonomic nervous system. It is regulated at a very fast frequency, at a very high level of order.

The autonomic nervous system controls and coordinates all other systems. It touches every cell in the body, save the red blood cells and white blood cells. In a sense, then there is energy that informs matter. The side effect of that high level of autonomic regulation is that the cells are getting new information, and when they get new information, they emit more coherent light. In a sense, there is a biological upgrade that can take place in a second that somehow removes imbalance because there is so much regulation. We have seen this over and over again, and the side effect of that is that there is a cancer stage that is metastasized again. I know it is hard for people to wrap their minds around me, too. In the beginning, in their bones and their liver, the tumors in their lungs completely disappear. There is no one there if you are a physician or in that health field; from metastatic carcinoma to bone cells to lung cancer, tissue is just not good news. Then you just do not see it on a PET scan. You do not see any metastasis. There is somehow an upgrade that takes place. There is a disease, there is a condition, and now somehow there is more order, there is more wholeness, and there is more balance. But nobody gets lifted with light.

Ann Shippy, MD

I have a patient who just went to the Cancun events. I was there.

Dr Joe Dispenza

June.

Ann Shippy, MD

I was there in June. She had metastatic breast cancer, too long and bone, and none of the chemo was working. They put her through it for two weeks after the event; they did a scan, and she was 50% reduced.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. That is so hopeful for her, and I do not have an opinion on whether she continues to treat conventionally or unconventionally; it does not matter to me, but her response to whatever treatment she is doing without treating whatever is working and the microbiome

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes. We have seen.

Dr Joe Dispenza

It is in the microbiome.

Ann Shippy, MD

Relationship with her hope, her fears, and what is possible.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. That change is me. I get goosebumps because that change for that person is hope. They do not do the work now. They do not do meditation to heal. They just know that meditation is not going to cause them to heal. They know that meditation is about change. When they change the healing, that is just how it works. So it is so powerful to see that the response and the data show that there is a microbiome that is diminished. It is correlated with cancer and another microbiome that is elevated. When it elevates, it means that the response to treatment for cancer improves.

There is this crazy correlation that we see taking place. We take the blood of those people who hit those arousal states. We take the blood, and we put that blood in the presence of a uterine cancer cell, a pancreatic cancer cell, and a breast cancer cell. There is information in that blood that causes 70% of the mitochondrial function in the cancer cell to be diminished. Cancer loves to multiply and move. In some way, the cells do not have the energy to do that. They start functioning in a very less productive way. We have the data to show that this is exactly what happens when people begin to connect. It is pretty cool.

Ann Shippy, MD

This level of research that you are doing is unprecedented. It is not getting done anywhere else. It is just that it makes me so grateful and so teary-eyed to have this understanding about how we can tap into that healing if that is exactly what you are showing and why. It is just incredible.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Well, I think that the science is that, as I keep saying to the researchers, I cannot believe this is the truth. I cannot believe it. I have been called, for years, pseudoscience. Now you cannot say that anymore.

Ann Shippy, MD

It is more science than anybody I know.

Dr Joe Dispenza

No, the funny thing about it is that I can finally say this, and it is one of the most pleasurable things I could ever say in my life. I could say that I am not saying it. The data says that I am not saying it anymore. I am not saying the data says so. My certainty in what is possible and my belief in what is possible are changing. someone growing a thyroid back, it bothered me for two weeks. I had to see the scans. I had to read the radiological report. I did not believe it. I just wanted to get out of here. Talk to the person, listen to her testimony, and she is real. She just did it because she thought that she just wanted to get her thyroid values back to normal so she did not have to rely on synthroid or whatever she was taking.

Then you started getting sick again, and she went to the doctor, and the doctor said, You are taking too much medicine. They took her off the medicine, and then they were like, Well, wait a second, wait a second. If you are making thyroid hormones, where is that coming from? They did the ultrasound, and they said it was not just some tissue; it was the whole gland growing back. It is incredible. For me, I do not know. I did not ever think that I would be having conversations with researchers at this level. I do the research simply because I want to be able to teach it better. I want to research so that people know that they are greater than they think, more powerful than they know, and more unlimited than they could ever dream of and that their nervous system is important. We are a drug study at its best. This is about 25% effective, cause and effect.

Ann Shippy, MD

Crazy one out.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Four people may get a response, and that is usually 60 days to a year. Our data shows that 77 to 84% of the population is producing these chemicals, these molecules that sense that the nervous system is working better than any drug, and people need to hear that over and over because it is so much easier to forget it. After all, we are programmed to remember it. Many people who get on the journey and think this is worth a minute here may say, I believe in all this stuff. It sounds great. Theoretically, it sounds like a great philosophy. I believe it. I just did not believe it would ever work for me. Now this is where you are out of the bleachers, and you are on the playing field now. I know you are going to prove to yourself that it can work for you, independent of your age, your social status, your race, your culture, your gender, your diet, and all those things. Because I have looked at all of those things, independent of all those things, when you believe in yourself, you believe in possibility, and when you believe in possibility, you get to believe in yourself.

That means you have to show up, and people start to start thinking about, okay, why am I doing this particular step in the meditation? I want them to understand what they are doing and why they are doing it in every single step. You have meaning behind the act, and yet the show gets more practical. When, as I said, science assigns intention, you produce a greater outcome. You switch on the prefrontal cortex, and you want an outcome. Some people do the work, and when they get it done with their meditations, they believe in their future more than they believe in the past. Some people, if they do not overcome themselves now, believe in their past instead of their future. That is because they have not gotten beyond the thoughts, emotions, and behaviors that keep them anchored to the past. Yet, if you keep practicing it for seven days, you can get good at it.

Ann Shippy, MD

You have so many resources for people that I think I have bought every meditation in the library.

Dr Joe Dispenza

I know.

Ann Shippy, MD

At different times, I gravitate towards different meditations. Sometimes I still just sit in a silent meditation, and the guided meditations are just so helpful to make that jump to the future.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. My interest is to practice all of your seated meditation. But if you have a great meditation and you connect, and then you spend the remaining 15 or 16 hours of your day angry, frustrated, patient, rushing, and judgmental, your life’s healing is going to be limited. then the walking meditations are standing and walking meditations helping people to transition, getting so good at doing it with their eyes closed. They can do it with their eyes open. That is when people in this line of work see the most dramatic improvements in their healing. In other words, some people start doing meditations, their pain levels go down, they are sleeping better, they have more energy, and they have less inflammation.

But they look at their blood reports, blood values, and scans, and pretty much they still have the disease. They just do not say it did not work. What they say is, Okay, what am I doing in my life? Is it me? Could it possibly be me? That is a great question. Then they start going. My God, I keep reacting to my ex the same way I keep complaining. Okay, that is my old personality. I still think I can heal. Okay, I have to take care of that. now practical, so they want to start practicing. Why? How they are going to be in their life, how they are going to think, how they are going to act, and how they are going to feel with their openness—that is what the walking meditations are. Do lots of walking meditations and standing meditations to get to practice embodying that energy and making that the habit of who you want to be behaving that way feeling the emotions, and so on.

Ann Shippy, MD

It is so powerful.

Dr Joe Dispenza

You can change in an hour, we have seen many changes take place. Again, practical, practical, and I am a pragmatist, I want to demystify the process. I want to give people the tools to prove to themselves how powerful they are.

Ann Shippy, MD

I love the advanced follow-up. When you do the long weekend where you are constantly evolving, the approach just gets richer and more expanded. In your understanding, I so appreciate that continued effort, even though it feels like we are just barely tapping into our potential and you just keep looking for more ways to tap that.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Well, again, it is something I could never do, and I talked to our scientists about this. We cannot ask the next question until we discover what we just discovered. We are never disappointed. We have not been disappointed in any study. We are not talking about a 20% change in someone’s brain or a 30% change in one area. We are talking massive changes, and we are talking about pretty much a collective. Our data shows, and this is so crazy; if you think about it, you have 2500 people, or 2000 people, that come to the event. Everyone has their genotype, their genome, and genes that make proteins, but at the end of seven days, the majority of the people, 77% of the people, are making the same proteins and signaling the same genes. That means that the collective, the herd, and the flock are evolving biologically together. We discovered that people change people. It is community; it is collective that when you are happy, gracious, and loving in your heart centered on someone else, they will see that and be that as well. Now you have unity as a collective.

Now the entire species that is gathered together is moving towards growth and repair and biologically changing together. That is crazy. You can see that in the seven days that I asked the scientists, What are those million attacks palpable? The mathematics of that happening are next to zero. It is just that you cannot get 2,000 different genotypes, and everybody makes the same protein unless they are engaging in the same information. They are thinking the same thoughts, doing the same things, and feeling the same emotions. The only way that could happen is crazy.

Ann Shippy, MD

Well, I think this is going to air after your Walk for Change. But I would love it if you talked about that a little bit because I have a feeling there is a lot more of that coming because of this opportunity to not just change within ourselves but to change as a collective.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes.  We just had this; we have watched people during walking meditations, and we have seen people step out of wheelchairs and run down the beach and heal themselves of carpal tunnel and blindness and crazy things that you just do, all variances of conditions in, and I have studied peace gathering projects. There have been at least 23, or 25 different published papers and peer-reviewed papers on peace-gathering projects how crime rates go down, and how violence goes down. There is economic growth, and car accidents are diminished. But when the meditators leave the community, when they leave the city, when they leave the area, everything returns to the same; it is not enough to meditate on peace. It is a time in history to demonstrate what peace looks like, and the walking meditations are a great way to demonstrate, with your eyes open, whatever it is you want to become and embody. We thought, God, there is an energy to change. When you and I make up our minds to change and get serious, we start thinking about a whole new way of thinking, a whole new way of living, a whole new way of acting, and a whole new future that we want to arrive at.

Whether you are losing weight, getting healthy, finding a relationship, getting a new career, or being happy, whatever that is, you just capture a moment, and your brain sees a possibility, and you become conscious or aware of that possibility. That is the intention, but many people, with the energy and the spirit of holding that intention in their minds, start to feel what it would feel like to have that experience. When we feel it, we believe it could happen. The stronger the emotion we feel, the more we remember the intention or the thoughts. We begin to change biology. So there is an energy that takes place—the change. When we make up our minds, the change is here and there, and we all understand that. What if everybody stepped out into the world and practiced being the very change they wanted us to be: power, love, freedom, abundance, joy, brotherhood, and sisterhood? How would unity feel? So it is collective networks of observers that determine reality. We had the idea of doing this global walk. Currently, we have over 60, maybe 70,000, people registered for the walk. We have 154 different countries.

Ann Shippy, MD

I looked at the map. It is quite impressive.

Dr Joe Dispenza

I never thought I would do this. over 3000+ different groups in different cities and places around the world. The idea then is to get a community of people together and not do anything except understand that a collective network can become the very change they want to see in the world. Can we begin to change enough people that we can ultimately change the world? We cannot wait for a change in the world for just this, and there are, albeit, many reasons, but we have to make that change. If you become that and I become that and everybody begins to become it, get enough people doing that, and I think there will be a new consciousness that emerges. Walk for the World is likely just one of many. I just got out of the studio a little while ago, last week or so, two weeks ago, and the meditation is being mixed and translated into eight different languages, and it is big. Yes, and the momentum is starting to pick up now as we get closer to it. This is one of many. We have had a lot of interest from different organizations that want to support us. Yes, it is just about becoming that change, walking as that change, and being in that energy of change. If you get enough people into that energy of change, I think it may inspire some change.

Ann Shippy, MD

I agree. I am so excited to see what happens with that call.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Well.

Ann Shippy, MD

I also wanted to shout out to inner science because, well, all of this research takes a lot of resources, and they have done such a great job of making that research happen. I know it is on multiple fronts to be able to pull some of the top researchers in the world together to start to have this understanding. The science has been amazing, and I am personally so glad to be a part of that.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes, me too. They are; they share the same mission and vision, and they are very actively involved in creating the funds for the analysis, as well as working with UCSD and pledging $10 million over the next five years for the research that we are doing in the analysis department.

It is super exciting. It is cool because they have raised quite a bit of money for us to do that. The analysis up to this point and the cool thing about it is that 100 percent, I would say, of the donations come from our community, which is people that want to be a part of change. It is a nonprofit, and they want to see where their money goes, which is cool because we can say to some big donors, Hey, without your donation, we would have never done the study on the microbiome or COVID, or thank you, because this is what we discovered about cancer because of your donation, and people love that because they are now involved in something. It is not just giving the world hunger and hoping it gets there. It is not compromised in any way. Our community is hugely supportive because they see the data, and we are studying our community. There are all levels of participation and donations. I am not part of it, but I always say we can always raise money, it is cool to be with people who want to change the world or the conversation around health care, which is starting to happen now with our data and the conversations I am having with very prestigious universities and researchers that we are having now, which I thought I never had in my life.

There is an open mind, this open-mindedness now to what is possible, and conversations are so good. I think the big thing that happens for most scientists when they see our data is that the number one thing they doubt is the amount of time they have. Is it seven days? Are you sure this is not a year? This is seven; this is what’s happened. They cannot believe a microbiome could change in seven days or that there could be thousands of metabolites released in the bloodstream at the end of seven days that were not there before. It is crazy. Seven days tends to be the conversation around, just people who see what can happen in seven days. It is exciting. inner science, they are just unlimited in so many ways, and they open a lot of doors for us. But yes, we are always asking bigger questions.

Ann Shippy, MD

For our listeners today and for me, the ideal thing is that people can come for a week, but it is not possible for everyone. But what advice do you give our listeners? I am just getting started.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Hmm. Well, it just depends on how you process information. I do not know if people read anymore, but I wrote four books, and there is a lot of content in those books. I think the last three books are practical, with meditations that you can practice. I just wanted people to do the formula, which is another course that we do. It is 30 minutes and 5 minutes, 12 sessions, and you get five meditations with it. Then we have the progressive workshop, which is the preparation for the week. That is a prerequisite that has to be done just so you can learn the basics; you can learn the language, but all of those different resources are to help you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. That is it. I just don’t recommend people just grab one of my meditations and practice them.

You may get some value out of it, but if you get the meaning behind it, understand what you are doing and why you are doing it, and assign meaning to every step, you will get a greater outcome. I want people to prepare themselves with the information beforehand. The whole reason I don’t do online courses is because I want people to be present with the information. They cannot be scrolling through their phone or laying on the couch with the TV on, and they are eating food, petting the cat, and watching, but is this not going to help you in your process? There is some time commitment to understand the information. But you can read a book; you can do the online course, the formula, or the progressive intensive workshop. I think those are good introductions.

Ann Shippy, MD

Get the work done.

Dr Joe Dispenza

They are good introductions.

Ann Shippy, MD

Either person has listened to them ten times.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Oh my God, I hope he loves me still.

Ann Shippy, MD

Both my boys are coming to Marco Island.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Wow. That is great.

Ann Shippy, MD

Then my niece is coming for both weeks, and there are a few.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Wow, that is so cool. You have seen this. You have seen this more than most. But we have an emerging youth community. We typically have 100 kids under the age of 25. They are, and we have nine- and eight-year-olds who do every meditation and sit in on every lecture. I love it when we turn and teach the information back—a seven- or eight-year-old talking to a 75-year-old—and they are just talking about quantum and neuroscience and thoughts and feelings. It is cool to see people do that. We have a big youth community, and we are going to do a little thing for the youth at the beginning of this event, which will be cool, and we will do a little private session with them. It will be Sunday or Monday, so make sure those guys know.

Ann Shippy, MD

It is something about how you care so deeply about the youth; it comes through so loudly that they are so welcome and that they are the future.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. I want them to grow up where healing is normal. What I want them to witness is enough healing that they know that it is, and once, you cannot know. If you get that, I tell them, all of you figure this out now, and the rest of your life will be easy.

Ann Shippy, MD

My niece was going to go to medical school. She was pre-med. She just graduated this spring, and she has decided she is not going to go to medical school now, I guess.

Dr Joe Dispenza

God. I don’t know if that is good or bad.

Ann Shippy, MD

Well, she may come back around to it, but she just saw who she is. She leads one of the weekly youth groups for the year. She has just seen such profound results from that; she is just reevaluating, which is yes.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Maybe neuropsychiatry and neuroscience. We need people who are going to look close. It is so funny because now we have such great youth who are interested in working in our lab. I will do anything. Some of them are educated, some are not. But they are, and we want to be a part of it, which we are super excited about.

Ann Shippy, MD

Get ready to expand.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. 

Ann Shippy, MD

Did you want to start your lab?

Dr Joe Dispenza

Well, that is. That is in the future. Yes, that is. That is the plan.

Ann Shippy, MD

Maybe it can be on a cliff somewhere beautiful. Portugal.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Yes. There you go.

Ann Shippy, MD

A place to go. Nice to visit.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Exactly.

Ann Shippy, MD

Well, this has been, It is beyond my hopes and dreams, too, to leave a message of hope. that our bodies are just tremendous in their capacity to heal. They have the guardrails to help them get there. I am just so, so grateful for you and your impact on my life, my children, my patients, my friends, and my family. You are truly one of my greatest heroes.

Dr Joe Dispenza

Thank you so much, Ann. Thank you for doing the work, and thank you for your support and belief in what is possible. Everything that you do as well. I appreciate it.

Ann Shippy, MD

Thank you so much.