Full Transcript Introduction to EMFs and the guest 0:00 It's really those, exposures very close to the body 0:03 that are the most concerning, especially because the link between 0:08 cell phone radiation and, you know, your your, your risks of increasing, 0:12 or increasing risk of brain tumor is pretty well established at this point. 0:17 Of course, they're in heavy users. 0:19 And we could argue is that in some studies is 30 minutes per day. 0:23 So I don't think that's a heavy user to me. 0:25 A heavy user in my mind would be 4 or 5 hours per day. 0:28 You know, a realtor or business people always on their phone next to the head. 0:33 Welcome to Doctor Talks, the podcast where every episode leads to a healthier you. 0:39 Join us as we navigate the world of optimal health, 0:41 uncovering groundbreaking strategies to conquer chronic disease. 0:45 In each episode, we'll bring you the latest insights 0:48 from leading health experts, medical innovators, and wellness warriors. 0:52 If you're seeking to transform your health journey, or if you're looking 0:56 for answers to burning questions, you've come to the right place. 1:00 Get ready to unlock the secrets of lifelong health and vitality. 1:04 This is Doctor Talks, 1:06 real talk from real doctors on only issues that matter to you. 1:09 Most. 1:12 Hi everyone. 1:13 Welcome back to the Integrative Health Podcast with Doctor Jen. 1:17 Today we're going to be talking all about Emfs. 1:20 So stay tuned if you want to learn all about them. 1:23 Or you need to have some more convincing evidence to share 1:28 with your friends when they look at you like you're a little crazy. 1:32 So we have Nic. 1:33 He is called the EMF guy. Nic. 1:37 Pino and I love his last name. 1:40 It's spelled awesome. 1:41 So he's the number one bestselling author of the Non Tinfoil guide to EMF 1:46 and an advocate for safe technologies through his unconventional approach. 1:51 Blending Uma science and common sense is the leading voice on the topic 1:55 of electromagnetic pollution and how it affects our health. 1:59 For the last few years, Nic has been interviewing 2:01 some of the best minds on health and technology and facilitating 2:04 the creation of the course and educational materials 2:07 to raise awareness on this very important issue. 2:11 You can find more about Nic at the EMF guy.com. 2:15 Welcome, Nic. So excited to have you here. 2:18 Thanks for having me, doctor Jen, it's a pleasure. 2:21 Yeah of course. 2:22 And I ask where he was from before we started 2:24 because his last name is spelled very French like and. 2:29 Oh, yeah. 2:29 So. Yeah. 2:32 So how would you think that EMF technology and awareness, 2:37 the US versus Canada. 2:39 Which one's better if we can duel it out? 2:43 I would say it is probably 2:45 growing faster in the U.S because you have cert, 2:50 you have the health movement I feel is stronger in the US. 2:54 The US is kind of leading the way in certain states. 2:58 Whether it's now I guess Texas is kind of the new California the way I see it. 3:03 And you know, I'm going to be in Austin next month for the health optimization, 3:07 summit or in fact, I guess as a recording
Why EMF exposure is growing 3:11 this if it's released beginning of April, it's like mid April. 3:14 So I'm, I'm looking forward to seeing what the ambiance is. 3:18 Is there like but you know, I feel like there are more voices 3:23 in the U.S compared to Canada. 3:24 And of course it's a much larger country probably, you know, 3:27 10 to 13 times more populated. 3:31 But also, I don't know, there's still even though, you know, a lot of people 3:35 are screaming about, free speech and all sorts of things in the last years. 3:39 The fact remains that there are a lot of thought leaders 3:42 that talk about emfs and that have emerged and that, you know, have, 3:48 I've had a presence on big, media outlets. 3:52 And I also see that 3:54 this conversation is growing now, especially because of alternative media, 3:58 like, well, what we're doing right now is alternative media, right? 4:02 Is part of it. 4:03 Now, this new education online where people are seeking answers 4:07 by themselves and yes, they are told by, you know, 4:10 the Federal Communications Commission, FCC or FDA, and they're told 4:15 by the cancer societies that EMF is completely fine, but 4:20 they start hearing conflicting opinions and then they can make up their own minds. 4:24 But I find that, in the US is, is flourishing at a rapid pace. 4:29 And I'm kind of this part of the movement, you know, Ma, make America 4:33 healthy again. 4:34 And, you know, as a Canadian, I can stay completely nonpartisan 4:37 because I'm not even a U.S. citizen. 4:39 You know, I didn't vote for left or right. 4:40 I'm I'm going to just a guy exchanging ideas. 4:44 And I find that these ideas anyway, when it comes to health 4:47 and when it comes to what is impacting your health, 4:50 it should have nothing to do with politics. 4:53 Really. 4:53 It's just a question of, you know, 4:56 what are we being told about certain things in the environment? 5:00 And is that true? 5:02 And are we taking precautions? 5:04 Because I feel like it's again, prevention, you know, 5:07 prevention used to be so key in public health. 5:11 And I feel like it's it's almost, you know, something that has been shelved 5:15 so many decades ago. 5:17 And we need to go back to the good old thinking of, 5:21 well, let's, you know, if we're not sure about EMF dangers, 5:24 if we're not sure if cell phones are safe instead of doing nothing, 5:28 let's start reducing exposure. 5:30 That's the precautionary principle that it's called. 5:33 And it's really the opposite 5:34 of what most people are doing these days when it comes to these technologies. 5:39 I agree with that. 5:40 Definitely used to be about prevention, but there's not a lot of money 5:44 in prevention and science. 5:47 Science is good. Technology is good. 5:49 But I kind of agree with my nine year old where he always says, I wish technology 5:53 would just stay like it would just stop and stay where it's at. 5:57 Right. And and I agree with them. 5:59 I mean, I think that there can always be a sweet spot 6:02 right, where you can do too much or maybe do too little. 6:05 And I like to teach my kids a sweet spot. Right? 6:08 Because if we weren't at that sweet spot, I wouldn't even be doing this podcast 6:13 with you, right? 6:14 Like, I we have Starlink because we can't get internet service 6:18 where we're at because we're so like out in the country, which I was happy with. 6:22 And I did an antenna search before we moved here to make sure 6:25 I wasn't moving, you know, from Ohio to Tennessee, right next to a 5G tower. 6:31 So, and these are just the things that we have to think about. 6:37 But let's let's kick it off because some people listening out there 6:40 might not even know the definitions of emfs 6:44 and why we should be talking about it, because our exposure 6:47 has increased a lot in the last hundred years. 6:51 For sure. You know, it's it's really 6:53 these human made emfs that are important to talk about. 6:57 You know, there are natural emfs and, we are, closely. 7:02 I'd say we, we need them, 100% like the sunshine 7:07 or like grounding or earthing when you connect to the Earth.
Health risks from phones and wireless devices 7:10 These are natural frequencies that we have co-evolved with. 7:14 But the reality is that a lot of, modern exposures of emfs 7:20 electromagnetic fields or electromagnetic radiation, 7:23 these are things that even, you know, our, our close ancestors 7:27 or even our grandparents, grandparents were never exposed to. 7:32 So the scientists nowadays have calculated that our 7:35 the average level of EMF pollution in a city 7:39 has now increased by a quintillion fold in the last 100 years, 7:45 a quintillion is 1 billion times a billion. 7:49 So, you know, that's a lot to say the least. 7:52 We know that our exposure to certain other things within that time frame, are, 7:57 maybe equally dangerous, but they're also artificial, for example, 8:01 artificial processed foods or artificial chemicals that we are 8:06 now exposed to in the environment, whether it's on food in the air and water. 8:10 So all of these exposures are artificial in their nature, 8:14 and your body has to deal with them as a new stressor in the environment. 8:20 So yes, life was difficult 8:23 to some extent 100 years ago and certain people didn't 8:26 had more malnutrition, for example, and we didn't have many medical advances 8:31 that we now have. 8:32 However, they were not exposed to all of these new modern stressors. 8:36 So when we look at the chronic disease epidemic, a lot of people 8:41 look at pesticides and rightfully so at heavy metals, and rightfully 8:45 so at mold and other stressors 8:48 and, social media and, and all. 8:51 But they forget that the radiation emitted by their devices like smartphones, 8:57 Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, cell towers, 9:00 and just our overall use of electricity, all of these things are also modern 9:06 stressors that we have to take into account if we want to stay healthy. 9:10 In this modern era. 9:14 Yeah, it's 9:15 it's really crazy, like you were bringing up the other environmental toxins, 9:19 and not everyone talks about EMF, and it's prevalent. 9:25 And I remember a patient that I had her daughter's school, 9:29 you know, got some stipend, got some money, 9:33 and they put up a 5G tower right next to the school. 9:36 And her daughter started having headaches. 9:38 And I'm like, oh, that's so frustrating. 9:41 So what are the worst types of emfs 9:45 at home, at work, at school? 9:49 It's really those, exposures very close to the body 9:52 that are the most concerning, especially because the link between 9:57 cell phone radiation and, you know, your, your, your risks of increasing, 10:02 or increasing risk of brain tumor is pretty well established at this point. 10:06 Of course, they're in heavy users. 10:08 And we could argue is it in some studies is 30 minutes per day. 10:12 So I don't think that's a heavy use. 10:13 Or to me, a heavy user in my mind would be 4 or 5 hours per day. 10:18 You know, a realtor or business people always on their phone next to the head, 10:22 but they see a risk of ipsilateral brain tumor. 10:25 So it means you talk on the right side, you get a right brain tumor. 10:28 And it can be, you know, glioblastoma to parotid gland to tirade 10:32 to acoustic neuroma. 10:34 And all of these are increasing in the population to some degree. 10:37 So that's a concern. 10:39 But on top of that sorry to interrupt you. 10:41 No no problem. 10:42 This is not propaganda. 10:44 There are studies that show this. 10:46 And I think for sure 10:47 it's like I like how, you know, you say the non tinfoil hat guy. 10:51 Right. Because 10:52 people see then they're like oh my goodness. 10:54 You're just like where's your tan? 10:56 But we're talking about when you hold your phone 10:59 up to your ear or like have it like, like that. 11:02 So so what can people do that's on their phone. 11:06 They can put it on speaker phone. 11:08 And what do you think about Bluetooth 11:12 for someone like you said, a realtor that is on their phone all the time. 11:16 Yeah. Well, that's that's kind of the problem. 11:18 You know, in, in 2018, 11:20 looking at the science that we had at the time, many scientists, among them 11:25 top epidemiologist, said this agent called radiofrequency radiation. 11:29 This is what's emitted by your phone, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth. 11:32 It should be reclassified at the International Agency 11:36 for Research on cancer, which is a branch of the W.H.O.. 11:39 World Health Organization should be reclassified as a class one carcinogen. 11:44 Class one carcinogen is a definite carcinogen. 11:46 Means that the data is so clear that we know it's a carcinogen, 11:51 and we have to urgently tell the population that wasn't to in 2018. 11:55 And since then, there's been, you know, almost deafening 12:00 silence on the matter by Cho, by iArc. 12:04 And even though radiofrequency radiation has been identified as an agent that, yes, 12:09 we need to look at later, they were supposed to do 12:11 the review years ago and they postponed it again by four. 12:15 Or maybe it was eight years. 12:16 So the science is not progressing. 12:18 And that's concerning because now we have radiofrequency radiation 12:22 that's a carcinogen. 12:24 And who knows if it's a carcinogen. 12:26 Some scientists say yeah, some scientists say no. 12:28 But the more data that comes out, the more we think that it's a carcinogen, 12:33 because there's many points of data that point in that direction. 12:36 So if it's, you know, literally as bad 12:39 as smoking to some degree, maybe we should tell the population. 12:43 And it also means this anything emitting radiofrequency 12:47 radiation is equally a carcinogen. 12:50 Right. May. 12:51 And the dose makes the poison. 12:53 If you're exposed to Bluetooth for five minutes, you know, 12:57 I won't I won't really have any concerns for your help. 12:59 But if it's 12 hours per day in the form of AirPods, 13:04 right, times a lifetime, now we're talking about 13:08 maybe a, carcinogenic dose where, you know, what it emits towards
Reducing exposure with safer habits 13:13 your brain is preventing your brain from clearing up 13:16 those cells that are supposed to do apoptosis, 13:19 that are supposed to get to be to be cleaned out by, by your immune system. 13:23 And now all of a sudden there's disruption and they are not eliminated. 13:29 And over time, maybe you develop a to a tumor. 13:32 And that's really the big concern is the long term health impacts for some people. 13:37 They might have more immediate effects where even, you know, the doctors 13:41 I interviewed in the 2025 Hazard Summit, one of them is Doctor Stephanie McCarter. 13:45 She's an expert in environmental medicine. 13:48 So they really look at the environment of the patient first, very close, 13:52 a branch very close to functional medicine, obviously. 13:55 And what she told me is that young patients 13:57 come into the clinic, they have tinnitus or they have migraines, 14:01 and they're going to look at the patient, okay, what are you wearing? 14:05 Well, I have these on, you know, all day, every day they remove the AirPods. 14:09 And for some of them, not all, 14:11 but some of them, it's like, wait a minute, my problem is fixed. 14:15 So they just they grow almost, you know, 14:18 I sort of allergy to this signal is too much for the brain. 14:22 And it causes a problem in the inner ear 14:24 or it causes problem in some processing of your brain. 14:28 And now you get brain inflammation, a headache. 14:30 And so sometimes it's, it's crystal clear like that. 14:33 So these are concerns in the short run. 14:36 And also long term when it comes to brain development 14:40 in younger children or teenagers, nervous system maturation. 14:46 And there are more and more studies that, I've learned about just recording 14:51 to summit a few months ago that really showed that teenagers have, 14:56 attention problems when they are exposed 14:59 to more of this agent called radio frequency radiation. 15:02 So, of course, many teenagers 15:04 will never put a phone to their ear because it's not cool, right? 15:08 So you never call someone you text, but instead now they're going to use AirPods. 15:12 So it's replacing, you know, a pack of cigarets with light cigarets. 15:17 It makes no difference. 15:19 So the conversation unfortunately, again 15:23 like like I said, we're we're doing the wrong thing 15:26 by starting to use more and more of these EMF emitting products. 15:30 And in the end, the precautionary principle, which should have been followed 15:36 decades ago at this 15:37 point, is not being followed to the contrary. 15:40 While we know that, you know, most most people, even even laypeople 15:45 who are not that interested in health would say, well, you know, I think 15:49 removing pesticides is probably good because these things aren't good for us. 15:53 Like they have one purpose is to kill, pests and herbicides is to kill, 15:58 you know, the weeds. 15:59 And we shouldn't have that in our body. 16:02 Most people, I think, think this way. 16:04 Even those that are not very well versed into the science. 16:07 And yet with the emfs, the more dangers that are identified, 16:11 you know, it's almost like most people are either not listening to it 16:16 or they're not being told by their government 16:20 that these concerns are valid and serious, 16:23 and that there are ways that you can start reducing exposure. 16:26 And you you talked about one of one of them is, 16:29 you know, speaker phone or using wired earbuds. 16:32 And it's difficult to drop the earbuds. 16:34 I'll give you that because a lot for a lot of people, it's just a habit 16:38 they develop. 16:38 But you know something right away that could be done. Right. 16:41 Because let's not fall into just bad news. 16:44 You could use the wired solutions when you're at the computer 16:48 and you do an interview, or you work or you study or you're stationary. 16:53 So let's not use something that that is wireless. 16:56 If you're not, you don't even move around, right? 16:58 If you do a workout and you sprint and you run 17:02 and you move around, you do power yoga. 17:06 Maybe use them, right? 17:07 But right there, you could cut out your exposure 17:10 by all these hours you're spending in front of your computer. 17:12 So you know, the cumulative those is really what matters here. 17:15 And I see what is it? 17:17 What is ironic is that at this point I see I would say 17:21 most health influencers have AirPods in when they do interviews. 17:26 Oh my gosh. And I just, you know, pet peeve. 17:29 It's a pet peeve which it is to like cancel the interview 17:32 if I like came in with like double AirPods at. 17:35 No I wouldn't 17:36 but you know no no you're you're you're you're telling me that as a joke. 17:41 But I heard colleagues of mine that are activists that said, you know what? 17:45 You're you're you're doing this call on Wi-Fi. 17:48 I'm not talking to you. 17:50 I think that's a wrong approach. 17:52 I, I'm not that extreme. 17:54 And why why is that the wrong approach? 17:56 I think that when people know better and they take these risks 18:00 more seriously, they're going to mostly use Ethernet cables to connect. 18:04 But there are situations where I have to do the interview. 18:08 I'm on Wi-Fi. I will not blame you for it. 18:10 I will just advise you on what to do and then you decide what to do with your life. 18:16 It's the same approach I have to take, even with my wife, with my kid, because 18:21 being controlling over that can become a big problem with relationships. 18:26 And the same could be said with like foods. 18:28 You know, if you go to your husband or wife and you, you look at their plate 18:33 and you say you're going to eat that like it doesn't work right, 18:37 you're going to destroy your relationship with this kind of behavior. 18:40 It can be toxic to try to control people. 18:44 Of course, 18:45 if your kids are younger, maybe you can tell them, no, don't eat the candy. 18:49 And I do that with my six year old, of course. 18:51 And also we teach them how to use these things more safely. 18:56 So, Alia, that six year old already knows that 19:00 I don't want him to hold the phone. 19:02 You know, we're listening to something. 19:03 We're going to set the phone somewhere if it's connected 19:07 via, you know, the cellular network, which happens sometimes. 19:10 And if he has a tablet, normally I try to pre download 19:14 TV shows or movies, for example, if we're doing, 19:17 you know, a long car ride, it's going to be all pre downloaded. 19:21 So he knows these things now and he knows already 19:24 that it's part of life and that we try to minimize the amount of radiation. 19:28 But I find that if you're becoming neurotic over it 19:32 and you say oh no you can't have that, you're going to 19:35 I mean, by by the end of the car ride, if you're on Wi-Fi, you're going to be dead. 19:39 Now, of course you won't. 19:40 It's not that it's not the effect of one car ride. 19:44 It's the effect of your cumulative dose of emfs over a lifetime. 19:48 And right now, for most people, the cumulative those is tremendously high 19:53 because they are purchasing the wrong products, 19:56 they are using the wrong products, they have a phone in their pocket, 20:00 and when they come home, they don't have a relief either 20:03 because they set this phone right next to their pillow and it's still open 20:07 and still emitting Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and a cellular network. 20:10 So when you change all these behaviors, the reality is that you can cut out 20:14 your daily exposure by 80, 90, 95%. 20:19 And I don't think it makes you completely in the clear in the sense, 20:23 you know, that you will still be impacted by MPs, 20:26 and it could be from, you know, cell towers, 20:29 if it's not from cell tower, is going to be from Starlink. 20:31 Right? To some extent 20:33 now it's it's these exposures are everywhere. Yes. 20:37 But if you change your habits, you can control these things 20:41 and minimize your exposure. 20:42 Just like you cannot control completely, how many pesticides you're exposed 20:47 to when you eat food in a lifetime, you will be exposed to something. 20:51 Unless you are. 20:53 You decide to live off the grid and only eat what you grow. 20:56 And even then, there's going to be some in the rain water. 20:59 So good luck, right? 21:00 But all that to say that, you know, it's really minimizing 21:03 the dose of EMF that matters, not becoming crazy over it. 21:08 Yeah, I agree with that. 21:09 And when we lived in the Midwest, in Ohio it rained glyphosate, so I did. 21:14 There you go. 21:15 Yeah, I did a year in glyphosate test on my son, and we were eating all organic. 21:20 And it was really it was still high. 21:22 And that's normal. 21:24 That's what they say. 21:24 No one has a zero toxic burden. 21:26 So yeah, think about that with EMF. 21:28 So I was I was I was talking about this just yesterday to someone I was like, 21:33 oh, if I could build my house myself I would make it like low EMF. 21:37 I would have a router, you know, I would be 21:40 plugging in like, you know, like we used to when I grew up. 21:44 I was born in the 80s and we had that, that dial 21:47 where you dial in and you got the key correct. 21:49 And me. Too. Yeah, yeah. And it's just not realistic. 21:52 So I have four kids and they're for age 16 to 5. 21:55 So, I, 21:58 you know, it's so hard like, 22:00 you see these kids with like, air pods in like 24, seven. 22:04 I see adults at the gym with the beats on, you know. 22:07 So, sure, we've come up with a compromise
Products, stickers, and EMF protection claims 22:10 that we just do one at a time. 22:13 So I don't know if that works at all. 22:16 You know? 22:16 And when I'm at the gym, this is one thing I change. 22:19 So my husband's like, here's some here's some air pods for you. 22:22 So what I was doing at the gym is I was I had an air tube and I would wear the 22:27 air tube, but when I was going to squat, I would put my phone in my waistband 22:31 and I'm like, well, that's worse because the phone is on my body. 22:35 So that's where when I lift, I will wear a single 22:40 air pod, like in, so I don't know. 22:44 And and yet the speakerphone I think is important, to do. 22:49 But I think if you're listening out there, if you have a teenager like, you know, 22:53 you know that they're going to have some air pods 22:56 and unless they're not exposed to other kids, it's going to be really hard. 23:01 But you have to have that discussion with them that you shouldn't 23:05 have it on 24 seven, because that's what I see when I look around the world. 23:09 Or like you were saying, if you're stationary, plug it in. 23:13 But okay, tell me about if if I'm correct it all with just 23:17 less exposure with one in and then it's not bouncing back and forth. 23:21 Any thoughts. On. 23:22 Yeah I think you know I think that's a great strategy. 23:25 You're probably cutting your your exposure in half, to be honest. 23:28 So that's that's an intelligent thing to do. 23:31 I would say the only product I've found so far that can mitigate 23:35 AirPod radiation in particular, is something called wave block. 23:39 Wave block is a company that does a little tiny sticker 23:43 that has special material that repels Emfs, 23:46 and you're going to wrap it around the base where the antenna is. 23:50 So it's not a perfect solution. 23:52 It doesn't make the air pod completely safe. 23:55 But if I had a kid and said, okay, well, you know, he's not going to listen anyway. 24:00 I would probably tell them, look, I'm going to install 24:04 something on your air pods. 24:05 It doesn't change the sound. 24:07 It doesn't change the function. 24:09 But it's going to help, you know, reduce exposure. 24:12 Can you please do that for me? 24:13 And I would do that wave block. 24:16 So that's, you know, something I share in the video series, 24:20 with the summit, but, So, you know, I'm specifically that brand is vested, right? 24:25 Because I've had people ask me, are the stickers like, we know silver 24:29 and maybe we'll get into that, you know, silver blocking blankets and stuff. 24:33 But so you're seeing the sticker really like, 24:37 can you explain scientifically how that works? 24:39 And I like that you have a brand that you actually like like, yeah, 24:43 I think that can be hard because there's so much out there, just like supplements. 24:47 That's what I deal like with I'm like, yeah, I agree. 24:51 And you know, wave block. 24:53 I don't know that technology by heart, 24:55 but it's been recommended to me by a few colleagues. 24:58 I think that the work has been done, and the way the stickers function 25:03 is probably just that they have different materials on there that that are layered, 25:08 and that, that basically are, are very 25:12 thin and can wrap around and it installs almost like a sticker. 25:16 It's not one of these stickers that you stick on your phone 25:19 that claims to now make your phone harmonize. 25:22 That's that's a completely different type of product. 25:25 These products that claim to harmonize signals, 25:29 these claims are really extraordinary because I haven't 25:33 found them to be, you know, rooted in science at all. 25:37 Some users feel better using them. 25:40 I don't know if it's the placebo effect, and it's it's very hard to navigate. 25:45 But basically what they're finding is that, even with these stickers, 25:51 they claim an 87% reduction of, the power measured. 25:56 Some of them, I think the stickers are black. 25:59 So they do look like something, but they look esthetic. 26:02 Oh, you can have white, you can have black. 26:04 So, you know, it is physically blocking. 26:07 And that's the difference between certain 26:08 technologies and technologies that claim to physically block or something 26:12 where you have materials that are known to shield against the radiation. 26:17 An example is, shield. 26:19 Your body is another very good brand that I recommend. 26:21 They have many types of products. 26:23 Depending on how you carry your phone, one of them could be an EMF blocking case. 26:28 The case is made from materials that are known to block emfs 26:33 in that frequency range. 26:34 So I do trust that these things help. 26:37 They're not really a replacement for, you know, airplane mode or never 26:42 carrying your phone, but they are better than nothing, 26:45 especially for people that won't listen to you. 26:48 So I'd say, you know, these solutions most of the time I tell, 26:52 I tell about these solutions for people listening that feel powerless, 26:57 that all their freaking family members will not listen to them. 27:01 So they ask me, Nic, what can I like? 27:03 I understand these things for myself and I'm going to do these things. 27:06 But what about my husband? What about my wife? What about my kids? 27:09 I love them, I don't want them to be harmed, so I okay, okay. 27:13 Well, in that case, there are some products that maybe can be 27:17 incorporated in their habits and it will not really changed our life too much. 27:21 You know, it will be a comfortable change for them. 27:24 So it's part of it. 27:26 The stickers that you put on your phone that claim, well, now your phone is safe. 27:32 I don't agree with that. 27:33 It's not changing to signal that you could measure 27:37 with using, a professional equipment like an EMF, detector. 27:41 So I don't trust these solutions much, and I wouldn't, 27:45 I wouldn't rely on them, because what we know works is that when we 27:51 minimize the signal strength, we think that the damage is lessened. 27:56 It's not zero, but it's less. 27:59 Just like when you a good example could be, a water filter. 28:04 It filters most things. 28:06 Maybe there will be 28:07 some chemicals remaining, but if you get the bulk of the exposure, 28:12 you're you're doing something great for your health. 28:15 You're minimizing your dose of chemicals every time you have a glass of water, 28:19 which could be a lot of times in the year, it could be over 28:23 over a thousand glasses of water per day, and probably way more than that. 28:27 Hopefully. 28:28 So there you go. 28:29 This is really these strategies. 28:31 Like first you should try to change your habits. 28:33 But these products can help you minimize your overall dose right. 28:39 Well like the EMF blankets. 28:41 So I take them when I travel in the airport 28:43 and I just lay it over, like when I'm on my flight, 28:46 I just cuddle up with it and then I'll just put it on my bed 28:49 when I'm traveling because I whenever I travel right. 28:52 And Las Vegas is the worse, I just feel is 28:56 there's so many emfs like I'm 28:58 wearing like my light therapy bracelet. 29:01 I'm wearing, like all of the things. 29:03 So, Oh, I know what I want to ask you about. 29:06 What do you think of those necklaces with the beads in them that are pretty trendy? 29:12 Do you have one? 29:13 You're not wearing one, so I don't know. 29:16 I have different things. I'm testing. I'm not. 29:18 I'm not talking, you know, publicly about everything I'm testing. 29:21 But a lot of subtle energy devices, claim some of them 29:25 you can keep in your pocket, and it's like a a card or something 29:29 that use, you know, geometrical shapes or pyramids 29:33 or crystal or tourmaline or Shang guide or orgonite. 29:38 I mean, the terms. I've heard it all. 29:40 I have way over 100 companies that contacted me in the last eight years, 29:44 and it's very it's next to impossible to to do this, to be able 29:49 to vet all these solutions and know 29:52 how they work and what scientific studies have been done. 29:56 And why should we trust that these make the cell phone 29:59 signal or any type of radiation any safer? 30:03 What I think they do is that they might reinforce something in the body. 30:08 I think some of them will strengthen 30:11 the human bio field, which is again difficult to define. 30:16 But is it? It is measurable. 30:18 And I, I did have exchanges with very, very credible scientists. 30:24 Some of them have tested these devices, or some of them. 30:28 And I don't think I'll mention brands necessarily, 30:31 but I'll say that some products do work, and how they work is that 30:35 we don't know if they completely nullify the impact of emfs.
Practical home and bedroom EMF hygiene 30:38 But what we do know is this people who previously 30:43 talked on the phone without the gizmo on or dependent, 30:47 felt a certain way, and over time they saw their energy drop. 30:53 Sometimes they measured the energy in different ways. 30:55 It could be, you know, heart rate variability, 30:59 but it also could be subtle energy testing, such as, a GTV camera, 31:04 gas discharge, a visualization that looks at the amount of light 31:09 that your cells are emitting and it can give you, 31:11 you know, a correlation with your health. 31:13 So these there are many other modalities. 31:16 It's not the only thing that's been tested. 31:18 And what they found is that with these devices on, users 31:22 seems to keep their energy or conserve their energy. 31:26 Or let's say another way to put it is that they were not as drained 31:30 physically and mentally after the cell phone exposure 31:33 when they had a pendant, or they had these devices that the, the, 31:38 the add to the phone. 31:39 So to me it says, okay, well there's something there. 31:42 Should we use these solutions? 31:45 Well we should, we probably should. 31:48 However, it's difficult to recommend one over another. 31:53 And then the last thing I want to do is make it appear 31:57 that these things are a panacea or a magic bullet. 32:01 And a lot of people who purchased those, 32:04 something I've realized on Instagram looking at, you know, hashtags 32:07 I was finding, you know, EMF information and trying to post my own stuff. 32:12 And I realized that EMF protection is the number one keyword in that space now. 32:18 And, what is under EMF protection if you search for it? 32:21 It's mostly pyramids and crystals and bracelets and pendants. 32:26 So people are not talking about EMF protection in the sense that, 32:29 well, if I have my phone, I don't keep it in my pocket. 32:32 I turn it off at night, I turn off the Wi-Fi. 32:35 So these habits that are not very sexy to talk about 32:38 and they require effort and conscious effort. 32:41 They're not talked about. 32:42 Instead, what is cool is, look, I have this beautiful bracelet. 32:47 Now I'm protected. 32:48 I have this pendant that makes me invincible. 32:50 I have installed these things on my phone, and I think now my phone is safe. 32:53 So I think it's kind of the wrong approach. 32:57 I think that first you try to minimize the amount from all your sources, 33:01 and then second, if you find something that works for you, 33:04 it's a pendant and you say, My God, I feel way better. 33:07 The pendant might do other things 33:09 besides, you know, strengthening your defenses against emfs. 33:13 It might be something that just helps your energy 33:16 because there are some other mechanism and I'm not, I don't know 33:20 all of them and cannot comment on individual products necessarily. 33:24 But I did see that some things are supportive. 33:27 So I cannot, you know, completely reject that product category. 33:31 However, we have to be careful in how we talk about those. 33:35 They're not magic and they're not a replacement for proper EMF hygiene. 33:42 Yes, it's such a 33:44 great insight because I see this a lot in the supplement or peptide world. 33:49 And it's like you can't just like throw peptides 33:53 on top of a terrible lifestyle or supplements. 33:56 Exactly. Sleeping. 33:58 And and it's going to fix everything. 33:59 And like you said, it's like a sexy topic. Right. 34:02 And that gets the clicks and everything. 34:04 But we got to go to the basics and that's that's how you really help. 34:08 So like you were saying like putting your phone on speaker phone 34:11 or setting your phone away from you, not putting in your pocket, 34:15 turning it in airplane mode at night and I tell people is like my patients, 34:19 if you can't tell, like if you need a phone call 34:22 or like you're worried someone you know, a parent sick or something, 34:26 then leave your phone on ring. 34:27 But set it away the furthest away you can. 34:30 And I always like the trick of we put our Wi-Fi on our Christmas tree timer. 34:36 It's four bucks to get, so it's off at night. 34:38 Except for, like, I remember when I first started doing this, like ten years ago, 34:43 my husband and I were watching TV and we got sucked into a series. 34:48 And then the internet went off and he was like, Jenny. 34:50 And I'm like, sorry. Like, oops. 34:53 Well, it looks like, yeah. 34:55 It's also keeping your harness about your bedtime, right? 34:58 I'll be right. Yeah, yeah. 34:59 I've heard parents that that tell me it helps me, you know, 35:03 make sure that my kids are not on Wi-Fi at 11 p.m. 35:06 when I told them to go to bed at nine. Right. 35:08 So it kind of, oh, well, the Wi-Fi is gone now, and they're like, geez. 35:13 Yeah, time for bed. 35:14 They're going to they're going to find me out if I'm still on it. 35:16 So what are your top ways for reducing your EMF exposure? 35:21 I know I got off track with all the shiny objects, but I always have 35:25 people ask me on Instagram about them, so I just wanted to address it for them. 35:30 Yeah, I think it's brilliant. 35:31 You know, and you mentioned a lot of them. 35:33 I think that around sleep is really the critical time 35:37 to lower EMF as as low as you can possibly achieve it. 35:40 So a lot of people are really focused on what their neighbor is 35:44 emitting and say, oh, those are our neighbors. 35:46 They have a wife, a router. And what about my neighbors? 35:49 What about now? 35:50 What about your stuff first? 35:53 So a lot of people don't realize they can turn off Wi-Fi and they should 35:57 they can automate the process, like you said, with a, you know, an outlet timer, 36:01 the kind of things you use for Christmas lights, you can turn off your phone 36:06 or set it in the next room or or keep it on an airplane mode, 36:09 while also turning off the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. 36:13 You can make sure that there's no other EMF emitting 36:17 gizmo in your bedroom, and my bedroom is clean. 36:20 I can tell you that, because obviously I've been working on it. 36:22 But if I go to a hotel room, I'll find multiple sources of emails 36:27 that are, that are completely useless in many situations. 36:32 For example, I'm someone who, 36:33 when I go to a business trip, I'll still use my phone as my alarm clock. 36:37 My phone is on airplane mode, so it's not emitting any wireless, 36:41 and yet it can keep track of time and wake me up in the morning. 36:44 So it does the trick. 36:45 But oftentimes they will have an alarm clock right there next to my pillow, 36:49 and I look at the alarm clock and say, okay, what is this thing? 36:52 A Bluetooth icon on it. 36:54 So the EMF guy is like, oh, we've got, we've got a bit of an issue here. 36:59 And of course, I always measure. 37:01 So I have an EMF detector, which makes you able to hear sounds. 37:05 If there's, you know, wireless radiation, and it's screeching every couple seconds. 37:10 And it turns out that the Bluetooth is emitted every couple seconds for life. 37:15 That's how the machine behaves. 37:17 So it's always looking for a phone instead of how it should be designed, 37:22 is that you have to click a button on the machine to then 37:26 sync it to a phone, which would be, you know, it would save energy 37:32 in the first place, would save cost. 37:34 And we're trying. 37:35 I thought we were supposed to be green guys. 37:37 No. Electronics are the opposite of green on so many levels. 37:41 But the way your design 37:43 when it comes to wireless radiation always, always, always on. 37:47 Well, that Bluetooth chip needs to be powered. 37:49 So it's costing you a bit of money from your entire yearly bill. 37:54 If you have this alarm clock and don't even use it, right. 37:56 It's powering the alarm clock itself. 37:58 And then is powering the little chip that says, I'm 38:00 looking for a phone for its entire existence. 38:04 So what you do with this machine is you unplug it from the wall. 38:08 So these are the type of sources that you need to go about your, your, 38:12 your home and just find these sources. 38:14 If you have something that you barely use, let's say you have speakers 38:18 and they're Bluetooth, don't keep them on, just have them off. 38:22 And when you need them, you say, oh, I'm gonna listen to music. 38:24 Okay. Now put them on. 38:26 So a lot of people wouldn't really think about technology 38:30 this way because, you know, everything is plugged in. 38:32 I don't have to think about it. 38:33 But if you become more conscious of what emits wireless radiation, 38:37 you're going to find a lot of different sources. 38:39 And these are great ways to minimize exposure. 38:43 That's a great point. 38:44 And I think everyone listening out there start in your bedroom, 38:47 because that is where you're spending the most time.
Children, teens, and long-term exposure concerns 38:50 And that's also where your brain is going through the lymphatic. 38:53 So the lymphatic system of your brain to to wash out the bad and, and cleanse it. 38:59 So I guess don't freak out right now, 39:02 you know, just like go to your bedroom and and I think that's a great tip. 39:06 But like, I didn't know. 39:07 So I usually unplug and I feel bad. 39:10 I try to remember to plug it back in 39:12 because I one summer I did housekeeping for hotel. 39:15 And that would be super annoying if people just unplugging. 39:19 Yeah. 39:19 You know, the alarm clock and I had to reset it every time. 39:21 So I try to remember to plug it back in. 39:24 But I will unplug it because of the light pollution. 39:28 So I didn't even think about looking at it that it's Bluetooth 39:32 and it's emitting signal oils, because a lot of the times 39:36 those clocks are what you plug your phone into. 39:40 So even if your phone's in airplane mode and you're just using it for a charger, 39:44 you should plug it directly into the wall, because otherwise you're 39:47 going to get these surges, you said, and it's right by your head. 39:50 So yeah, that's and like what's hard, 39:54 I think about all of this is the Bluetooth, like you said, having it 39:57 just not in pairing mode but continuously seeking. 40:01 It's it's just convenience and it's like fast food. 40:05 Right. 40:06 We're we're trading health for convenience, which is unfortunate. 40:12 Yeah. 40:12 Well imagine not all the people are aware of this, 40:16 but there are ways to design technologies that are so much safer. 40:20 It wouldn't make, you know, but these changes, let's say 40:24 if we changed all the Wi-Fi routers to make them act a different wave. 40:28 So, for example, instead of emitting the amount of radiation that they emit 40:33 all the time 24 over seven, which is the case for most routers, 40:37 they're not intelligent in their design and they don't modulate their exposure. 40:41 So in other words, you could be in the middle of nowhere 40:43 or let's say you're in a city, 40:44 everyone is sleeping, and there's a Wi-Fi hotspot from the city. 40:48 It's emitting the maximum power. 40:50 And it's not like it's not like there. 40:54 It's power is dependent on how many users it is connected to. It. 40:58 What should happen is that all these machines need 41:01 to be essentially turned off, 41:03 or just have a very low level beacon signal that's called that. 41:07 That is just the minimal amount possible. 41:10 So when you have a user connect to it, now the machine wakes up 41:13 and it can be used right. It should be like that. 41:16 It is like that to some extent with cell phone towers, 41:19 because they're trying to save energy costs 41:21 and the power will increase if there are more users on it. 41:24 But you know, these are changes that could be done by the companies 41:29 to minimize EMF radiation in all scenarios. 41:32 This is how things should be designed. 41:35 And unfortunately at the moment they're not. 41:37 So at least, you know, you and I talking, on a podcast, 41:42 talking on a zoom discussion here 41:45 to make sure that people pay attention. 41:47 And that's a shame, because it shouldn't be up to us to protect ourselves. 41:52 Like, engineering solutions that have been proposed by scientists 41:56 before is let's use the proximity sensor on your iPhone to make it in. 42:02 It has a proximity sensor, 42:03 and you can probably tell nowadays, because if you look at it, it opens. 42:07 Or if you have your your hand, be close to it, it opens. 42:11 In fact, it uses an invisible light, and in the infrared spectrum, 42:16 which is, you know, always, always beeping 42:18 and it detects whatever is close and how close it is. 42:21 So the technology is there. 42:23 It should detect that. 42:24 Let's say I put it in my shirt pocket. 42:26 The phone should say, oh, well, 42:28 it's close to an object and now it's turned off. 42:32 Right. 42:32 So right there you could have these engineering changes. 42:36 I think that some of them would cost next to nothing to these companies to make. 42:41 But of course the it would make it less convenient for users 42:44 because you would say, oh, I was expecting a call. 42:47 And I left my phone in my shirt pocket right next to my heart. 42:50 And I wanted to, you know, blast my heart as much as possible with Emfs. 42:54 And I don't care about these things. 42:56 I don't care about Emfs. 42:57 I just wanted to call. 42:58 Well, now you're enabled because Apple needs to protect the population. 43:03 So now we've made that mandatory on all technologies 43:06 and it has to come from government or from user demand. 43:11 It has to be people that ask, look Apple, 43:14 if you don't put this feature on, I'm going to switch to a safer phone. 43:18 And that's that's kind of what is happening. 43:20 But I see that happening. 43:22 It's going to take, you know, I I'd say 1 or 2 decades. 43:26 I've already seen changes with some companies that are appearing 43:31 on the market that want to compete over health and have safer devices, 43:36 but right now, you know, I a lot of people ask me, is it, 43:40 you know, 43:40 the iPhones that are more dangerous or the Android, they're all equally bad 43:45 because none of them compete over health, they compete over features. 43:50 And, you know, the the retina screen and you know it. 43:55 It's really the most for most devices is the opposite of health 44:00 that they're offering. 44:01 It's more addiction, you know, and features. 44:05 But yeah, I, I like didn't want to update because of that like weird feature. 44:10 Yeah. 44:10 You pick it up and it stays on and and I'm like but then the 44:15 camera's better so I can do more content that is helping people. 44:18 So it's, it's such a balance, but I oh my goodness. 44:22 You know, like, have you ever watched like teenage girls. 44:25 They all keep their phone right tucked in over their ovary, 44:30 like in their waistband, on their ovary like all the time. 44:34 And you know, I, I caught my daughter doing it 44:37 a few times and I just discussed with her, I'm like, your eggs. 44:40 Like your eggs that like, like you don't make new eggs. 44:43 Your eggs are in there. 44:45 Like you're frying your eggs, like, yeah, frying your eggs. 44:48 And then my son, who's 12, you know, going on 44:52 16 is like getting in that teen space. 44:55 But he he'll tease me about it. 44:57 He'll be like, mom, my phone's in my pocket next to my balls, like. 45:01 And I'm like, stop, like stop. 45:04 But for men, it's a little different. 45:06 Like, because, you know, your your sperm are going to be regenerating, 45:11 but still, we don't want to, blast 45:14 all your cells there and mess with the feedback loop, but it's, 45:19 I think that 45:19 education with kids, because mine tease me about it. 45:22 Right? But they know better, right? 45:24 So they're going to be thinking about that 45:26 and they're going to make different choices as opposed to just 45:30 in out there. 45:32 But oh my goodness. What. 45:33 Maybe we could start like an Instagram real trend like 45:37 don't wear your phone in your breast. 45:40 That's the other thing 45:41 I remember when I worked at an inner city emergency room for a decade, 45:46 I would always talk to the nurses about it, and this is like 20 years ago
EMF Hazard Summit and where to find Nic 45:49 and we're like, oh my gosh, like, why did they come in? 45:51 They like with their cell phones in their bra. 45:55 Yeah. 45:56 Like that is the worst place you can put your phone like 46:00 so anyway, I just have flashbacks to that because I would talk to them. 46:04 I'd be like, don't put your phone there. 46:05 Like, that's terrible. 46:07 But I love that idea of really 46:12 consumer driven conviction to the cell phone companies for safer, 46:17 you know, warnings against, you know, emfs and radiation. 46:22 So that's for sure. 46:23 And at the moment, you know, the industry is is fighting all 46:26 they can to avoid even having basic precautionary measures 46:31 explained in the phone insert or anything like that. 46:35 They're fighting because they say, oh no, you know, you're going to spook users 46:39 and it's all based on the 46:42 the myth or really the lie that everything is safe. 46:45 It's not. 46:46 And the reality is that, you know, we have to change how we use them, 46:51 because in the end, it's not going to be the industry that's going to, admit, 46:56 oh, yeah, guys, you know, all the devices that we sold you, they were unsafe. 47:00 And for some people, they got brain tumors like it. 47:03 It's it will be a huge thing to admit. 47:06 And it would really, really, hurt the reputation of these companies 47:11 because in the end, it would say, users would blame them. 47:15 Even if they didn't know. Right? They're going to blame Apple. 47:18 They're going to blame they're going to find someone to blame. 47:22 And the companies are going to be hit with massive lawsuits also. 47:26 So I know that's coming down the road. 47:30 But, you know, for, for the average person, 47:34 you just need to protect yourself best as you can. 47:36 And just be mindful about these exposures. 47:38 If you know, if I can achieve one goal today 47:42 will be just to have someone listen to the information 47:45 and then at least do one thing differently that's sufficient to move the needle. 47:52 Yes, absolutely. 47:53 Oh my goodness. 47:54 I feel like we could talk all day. 47:58 We'll have to do a part two, but there's another chance 48:01 to listen to a lot more information on Emfs. 48:05 And why don't you tell everyone about the summit that's coming up hundred percent? 48:10 April 10 to 15 is the 2025 EMF Hazard Summit. 48:14 And we talked a lot about exposure to teens and to children 48:19 and the fact that, you know, 48:21 the impacts are even more important to their developing brain. 48:24 That's a theme this year. 48:26 So of course, people who want to protect themselves are invited. 48:29 And we're going to share a ton of science around, you know, 48:32 with the latest, or the, the top EMF scientists and EMF aware doctors. 48:39 But on top of that, we talk specifically to young parents or parents of teenagers 48:44 or grandparents who want to educate and protect the next generation 48:48 against this, technology. 48:50 So, you know, it's all based on education. 48:53 It's down to earth. It is solution focused. 48:57 And my goal is to really, help you tackle this problem in your life 49:02 and be empowered to start developing healthier habits around technology. 49:07 So you have 18 different presentations from April 10 to 15. 49:14 Well, I'm going 49:15 to be watching because I can always learn more on this topic. 49:19 And I want to protect my family. 49:21 It's important. 49:21 So and how can everyone find you? 49:25 We're going to link a link to the summit and everything. 49:28 And you're the EMF guy on all things that were. 49:32 The EMF guy. My my Instagram is at Nick. 49:35 You know, it's going to be tough to find because Pino is not intuitive. 49:39 But if you type EMF guy, I'm fairly sure you're going to find it. 49:42 But also my main website. 49:43 You know, you can find all my handles there and my education at the EMF geeks. 49:48 Com awesome. Well, thank you so much, Nick. 49:51 We really appreciate your time and your education in this very important subject. 49:57 Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. 49:58 Thank you for tuning in to Doctor Talks. 50:00 We hope today's episode has enlightened 50:02 and inspired you on your path to optimal health. 50:06 Each day is a new opportunity to make choices that empower your well-being. 50:10 For more insights and strategies, subscribe to our podcast 50:13 and visit our website w w w dot Doctor talks.com. 50:19 Stay connected, stay healthy and join us next time on Doctor Talks. 50:24 Real talks from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most.
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