Fasting’s Role In Minimizing Cancer Stem Cells

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, cancer has a cause. That is the biggest thing that is overlooked in even alternative circles of cancer is there. Everybody is trying to kill the cancer, which is admirable. We want to do that, but we also want to get at the cause as well, because if you do not address the causes, we should keep that plural, cancers constantly give you circulating tumor cells, and those are going to set up or would raise a family somewhere else. If you do not get to the change in the milieu of the body you are just going to end up with metastasis. 

To answer your question; how do we view cancer? Cancer has a cause. To understand it as simply as possible, something had to get inside of a cell and disrupt the replication cycle of that cell. Normally, a cell will reproduce itself about every six to 12 to 24 weeks. The mother cell, you could say, goes through a process of cell death called apoptosis. That baby cell lives for another six to 12 to 18 weeks to get to what type of cell it is, and that it will do the same thing. It will reproduce. The problem is that if something gets inside a cell, it disrupts that replication cycle. It could cause the cell to go into rapid replication, and replicate cells that are in rapid replication. It disturbs the DNA of the nucleus of the cell. That cell is in a state of rapid replication, replicating cells that have the same dysfunction at rapid replication. That is what cancer is by definition. 

Your cells have got into rapid replication. There is a reason why it is not just because you got cursed with bad genetics because that is not the reason. It is because something got inside there. It is usually a toxin. It can be a living organism, a fungi, a bacteria, or something that could cause that disruption. Most commonly it is toxins, pesticides, and herbicides are very common. That is why there has been an increase in cancer over the last 30 years. You have to work on detoxification and pulling those things out. That is one of the processes of dealing with cancer. But I said there are multiple causes, so I will give you an example. For instance, we just do a different test in functional medicine test, on our patients. One of the tests we do is a mycotoxin test. We are tested for toxins that mold produces. 

I just got off the phone before this interview with one of our patients and did a mycotoxin test. He had elevated MTA mycotoxin, which is a type of mycotoxin produced by the Penicillium fungi. One of the things that mycotoxin does is it inhibit the proliferation of T cells. Your T cells, or T lymphocytes, are your natural killer cells that are involved in killing cancer. that could certainly proliferate or help proliferate a cancer where your immune system cannot attack it. That would be another cause. Where did those mycotoxins get inside the cell? It damaged the cell; it caused replication. It is hindering the body’s ability—the immune system—to be able to kill the cancer. 

When you investigate a person, everybody’s different. They could have twin sisters that have breast cancer on the same side and have very similar characteristics, but they could have different causes, totally different milieus of the body that have to address this, and different reasons why their immune systems are suppressed. You have to be a good enough practitioner that you are going to investigate those things, but just keep digging. I just have to keep digging to get to these root pieces. 

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes. It is a good summary. Cancer is an adaptive physiological process, the way the cells in the body adapt to toxins, infections, and other root-cause factors that are causing them to not function at an optimal level. 

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes. I would say that. Damaged DNA. It did rapid replication of cells. That is what cancer is. It is your old cell. It is not other cells that enter your body, it is all old cells that are at rapid replication.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes. Let us talk about cancer

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes, that is why cancer is difficult for your body to fight too. When it is your old cells, your build system is trained to attack your old cells. You have certain receptors on T cells that tell it not to attack cell tissue. You have to hit that cancer with something and stimulate that immune system with other things to help bring that together so that your immune system will start attacking that cancer.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Are you seeing mold and mycotoxins being a factor with a lot of your clients?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, that is just one. That was just one example because I just got off the phone with somebody and I thought we saw glyphosate as a major issue. We see other pesticides and herbicides as major issues of causes. But unless you correct that because you detox with glyphosate, you might clean out that person’s body. You still have that cell that is the end of it that gets its rapid replication. You would still need to address that. It is multifaceted when you are trying to take care of a person with cancer; you have to address the cause of that, help detox that big organism, whatever it is, or kill that organism. 

Then you have to stimulate the immune system and find out if there are other reasons why the immune system is suppressed, and then work out that that would give immune stimulants to help kill that. We use a lot of frequency medicine at our office to help stimulate an attack on the cancer itself. It is multifaceted. It is complicated. It bothers me sometimes. When you see things on the Internet, or Facebook, where I hear this kills cancer at 100% of the patients. There is a lot of misinformation. You would be in the alternative spectrum, for sure.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

For sure, yes. You have mentioned testing for various pesticides. Mycotoxins: are you doing urine testing for that?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes. 

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes, so they urinate. You are testing. If things are elevated in the urine, it is a sign they are elevated in the body and that could be affecting the cells in the body.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes. There is a difference: we do urine tests, we do blood tests, and we do stool tests, but glyphosate and mycotoxins are tested through a urine test.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes. You said you are using frequency medicine as well. Explain that to our audience here.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

From a quantum physics perspective, everything is frequency. It is quite a physics perspective. Even matter, down to its smallest particle, is simply energy that is vibrated at a specific frequency. But we know that everything—all our cells, all our organs, all our tissues—vibrate at different frequencies, and cancer vibrates at a different frequency, too. One of the ways that you could help a person with cancer is because cancer is your old cell and I mentioned that one of the difficult things in trying to naturally or even in the standards of care realm to kill a growing cancer is that you stimulate your immune system to attack a growing cancer. You are trying to kill cell tissue. Cancer is your cell tissue, and though it is abnormally replicated, it is still cell tissue. 

Your T cells, those natural killer cells, which are mainly responsible for killing cancer, your body has a mechanism to turn off their attack on itself. Otherwise, you would destroy yourself, and you would be dead when you were two weeks old. There is a receptor on T cells that your cells attach that ensures the T cell’s response off. Now, the more T cells are taking a look at a cancer, the better chance they will override that receptor and kill the cancer. The greater ways that you could stimulate T cell production, the better chance you have at killing cancer. Therefore, a nutritional approach involves taking a bunch of specific herbs and nutrients that are going to build a person’s immune system and are highly beneficial to helping a person kill cancer. 

But using frequency medicine can add another level of approach. If you can hit the cancer at its old frequency, at the very least you are going to cause that cancer to vibrate. Whether you are causing that cancer to vibrate or not, you are going to elicit an immune response to take a look at it again. Remember I said, the more times that you could get your immune system to look at that cancer and go, Boy, maybe we should do something about that. The better chance you are going to have of overriding that T cell receptor response in it to kill the cancer. That is the idea with frequency technology; otherwise known as the RIFE technology. 

You are hitting cancer at its old frequency so that your immune system can recognize it as an enemy. Instead of a cell tissue. The hundreds of times it takes you to look at it, it will now start destroying it. You do need to couple it with nutritional things to build the immune system. You need to couple it with the emotional things that you are going to deal with, which will stimulate the parasympathetic response to help build health in the body. You need a couple of ways to address causes that detoxify the body and clean the milieu around the cancer so the immune system can physically get at it. But to us, that has been proven to be the best result.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes. How does RIFE, a lot of things get lumped together when it comes to frequency medicine, light, and different rays of even the UV spectrum? A lot of times, they get lumped together, and most people see it as a little bit esoteric. How does RIFE differ from PEMF and infrared?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Infrared is not light therapy; it is below the red spectrum. You cannot see infrared. People will know that is not true. I have an infrared light, and I can see a red light. Well, if it is true infrared, you cannot see it.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

There are a lot of times when a red light comes with infrared. You get two different wavelengths.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

There are two different wavelengths. There are benefits to that. There are great benefits to red light therapy, blue light therapy, and different light therapies. That is going to be mainly a service benefit. If there is a specific frequency to those therapies. PEMF is a whole other ball of wax. That is electrical frequencies. There are huge benefits to that. We push PEMF for people. But the red light therapy—the light therapy—is not going to be cancer-killing. PEMF is not going to be cancer-killing. You have to hit; you have to use the frequencies of the cancer itself. There are known frequencies for different cancers, and it is not what people think. I have prostate cancer. What is the prostate cancer frequency? Well, there are maybe 150 mode frequencies for prostate cancer. You need to write a program where your machine is running all those different frequencies over some time and rotated through those frequencies because you have got to be able to stimulate that cancer at its frequency. 

The prostate cancer frequencies are going to be different than the breast cancer frequencies. If you want to be ready for the right frequencies. I know that some people go, but I do not believe in frequencies. Well, you use your cell phone, right? You open up your cell phone, and you plug in a number. It sends that information via frequency up to a cell tower, five miles away from you, and beams it up via frequency to a satellite. Then via a frequency down to the other cell tower’s frequency is to that other person’s cell phone in a minute part of a second. It is all from frequencies via your frequency to the other person’s phone in a minute part of a second. It is all from frequency. Your electricity in your house is running via frequency, electrical frequency. Everything is frequency. You cannot say that you do not believe in frequencies; you just do not understand them. 

All our cells are vibrating at a frequency. The healthier you are, the healthier cell vibration you have. That sounds very esoteric, but it is just physics. You do not have to be new-agey on that. It is just a matter of physics. If you could hit a cell at its old frequency, you are going to cause at least some vibration, and you are going to help clean out that cell. You are going to help stimulate the immune response in that cell, which is going to bring health to that cell. If it is a cancer cell, it could help your body kill that cell. There are just a lot of benefits to it. When we are treating cancer patients, you are using light frequencies specific to that cancer, or if you are treating, let us say a knee injury, you could use electrical frequency with PEMF, which is going to be a different frequency at a different mode of frequency using an electrical current that brings other benefits that will heal it, decrease inflammation, and give the body a chance to be able to heal. There are different uses of different frequencies through different types of modalities.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes, that is a good explanation. The difference with the RIFE is that it helps target the cancer and is, in a sense, almost putting an alarm on the cancer for the immune system so the immune system can now recognize it and target it as opposed to the cancer hiding in the natural tissue of the body.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes. You are getting the cancer or you are getting the immune system to take another look at it so it will attack that. If the person is lying on a hospital bed, and his immune system is completely shot. The RIFE is not going to be this magic tool that is going to bring that back to life.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Because you have to have an immune response.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes, you have to have an immune response. To couple the RIFE with other therapies, other nutritional approaches—you are talking about fasting, and cleaning it out of the body—to couple the RIFE with as many other facets of it to stimulate a health-feeling response is going to be a person’s best approach.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Let us talk about that. Let us talk about some of these nutritional approaches. You mentioned fasting, a huge topic that I am interested in. I have been using it with people for many years. What are some of the best, and what are the benefits people are going to get from fasting and using something like the RIFE? Also, what are the other nutritional strategies you like to use?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, fasting is a strategy that we use with a lot of our patients. We typically recommend that they just do intermittent fasting and time-restricted eating. What are the co-morbidities that could go along with cancer? A person could lose too much weight, and they could be losing weight every week that they cannot stop. That is what is called cachexia in cancer patients. You do not want that to take place. You cannot do even time-restricted eating with those people. But if they are not in a state of cachexia, they are still in a state of, Hey, I just found out I have cancer. They are still in a state of fairly good health. Fasting could be wonderful.  The one thing that we caution against with fasting with cancer patients is that there have been studies, studies that show that if you fast over 24 hours, you could increase IGF-1 levels, which is good for a non-cancer patient. You want elevated IGF-1 levels that help create growth and healing. That is one of the benefits of fasting. But you do not want to increase IGF-1 levels if you have cancer. You do not want to increase the growth factor. 

We tend to have people fast for less than 24 hours, but there is a whole other avenue of fasting if you are doing a standard of care. If a person is doing chemo infusions, fasting for 24 or even 48 hours before chemo is something that has been shown through multiple studies to be a huge benefit because it increases the effectiveness of the chemo. If you are going to do chemo, you want it to work. It increases the effectiveness of the chemo in a sense, if you can think of it as a cartoon, you are starving the body for 24 hours, and cancer cell beads which are highly metabolic are hungry. It is looking for a food source and then you starve the cancer for 24 hours a day and feed it a chemo infusion. The cancer is going to be much more likely to uptake the chemotherapy. 

That is what you want. Chemotherapy is the poison. You want it to poison cancer. It is going to be much more likely to uptake the chemo. It could kill the cancer more readily, and the cells end up becoming your healthy cells, which have a protective mechanism against that. A person has been shown to have fewer side effects from the chemotherapy if they fast before the infusion. Fasting can be beneficial for even those with cancer who need standards of care if they utilize it in that way as well.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Using natural strategies, you like to do more intermittent fasting and time-restricted feeding. They are eating in a six- or eight-hour eating window or something along those lines, but when they are doing chemo, doing a 24- or 48-hour fast before getting the chemo can make it more effective. That way, they get better uptake from the cancer cells. Better cancer, cancer-killing from the chemo with fewer side effects and less residual damage on to normal cells.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Exactly.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes. Powerful, powerful strategy. What are some of the other nutritional strategies you are utilizing?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, then you have to look at, well, detoxification. If one of the main causes of cancer is, let us use glyphosate, as an example. You have herbicides as a major cause of cancer that could have gotten inside the salad and damaged the replication cycle. You want to first of all change the person’s diet so that there could still be less of those. It is hard to consume none even if you are eating a purely organic diet because there is cross-contamination, but you want to decrease exposure. Whatever you are thinking about detoxification, you can be toxifying yourself at a greater rate than you are trying to detoxify yourself, or you are fighting an endless battle. You want to try your best to decrease exposure to poisons and toxins, and that has to do with dietary changes. 

You make your best effort to make reasonable dietary changes, that are reasonable and you could stick to, and that are going to clean out your diet. Then you work on the detoxification process. I have coined the term The Seven Phases of Detox. That is not just looking at the liver but looking at making sure you are cleaning out your bowel, making sure that you have binders in your gut, that you are not reabsorbing things, making sure that you are addressing the gallbladder, or that there are three phases of the liver detoxification process and dead pulling things out of the tissues. We always want to jump to that, pulling things out of the tissue, saying first. 

Looking at the neurology of detoxification to the parasympathetic nervous system in calming down the sympathetic. It is a process that you go through with the patient and walk them through, educating them about those things. Then you also work concurrently, usually stimulating the immune system. You must have a healthy immune function to do so. You want to use different nutrients and different herbals that will help stimulate the immune system and be able to elicit a response that could kill cancer cells and kill circulating tumor cells. If you cannot, then you could do everything else, but you are not going to win the battle. It is multifaceted again. You have to look at it in a way that there are a lot of things I have to do. If you have a coach, it does not have to be so overwhelming. You could do these things in steps, but you have to start taking the right steps.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes. Get the drainage pathways you talked about. Get the drainage pathways opened up, and start to eliminate those toxins that are burdening the cells. Yes. Supercritical. What is the role of cancer stem cells? How are cancer stem cells forming? This is a big area of research people are looking at. Somebody who may not have a diagnosable tumor, but they may have started some cancer stem cells, or they may be, quote-unquote, in remission. But cancer stem cells are popping up. How do you view those?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Cancer stem cells and circulated tumor cells are the same. A cancer stem cell does it. Cancer starts with something getting inside a healthy cell and causing cell replication. It does not start with a cancer stem cell. Cancer begins with something getting inside a healthy cell. It causes cell replication. Now, as those cells replicate, they are replicated cells that stay in the same space. Therefore, the mass is getting larger. Cancer cannot be diagnosed. It will not be diagnosed until the cancer is rather large. 

As far as the number of cells in a PET scan goes, a CT scan will not pick up cancer unless it is over three million cells large. That is still pretty small. Still the size of a pinhead. But that is a lot of cells. That is how small cell cells are, way before cancer is diagnosed. It is giving off cancer stem cells or circulating tumor cells. I like to use circulating tumor cells because it explains what they do. They circulate. Some are stated. The mass is getting larger, larger, and larger. Now I have this mass by my breast that I can palpate. It is millions and millions of cells large now, and it could be diagnosed long before it was even palpable. It was giving off cells that were circulating. 

If you think of it as a cartoon, again, because I am a simple-minded person, these cells are just circling, looking for a place to set up a home and raise a family. That is what metastasis is. Truly, for most cancers, it is the metastasis that will end up causing the person’s demise. If the person ends up passing away from the cancer, it is usually not the primary cancer in most cancers. Circulating tumor cells, cancer stem cells are circulated through the body looking for opportunistic places to move to and start replicating there. 

Unfortunately, if a person just does standards of care, they get to go it; they find this lump in their breast, and after doing something, they go and get a biopsy. Yes, it is cancer. Let us say they are going to do chemotherapy, radiation, a lumpectomy, or whatever the standard treatment is for that particular cancer. Chemotherapy may kill cancer cells that are in rapid replication because chemotherapy is going to be more attractive to highly metabolic cells. However, chemotherapy does not kill cancer stem cells. Circulating tumor cells are not yet in a state of rapid replication. Therefore, chemotherapy is doing nothing to them, and it gets even worse because chemotherapy is going to be attracted to rapidly replicating cell lines. 

Well, that is good, because that is what cancer is. Yes, but that is why people lose their hair because your hair follicles are rapidly replicating by nature. It tends to attack your hair follicles, and your immune system is rapidly replicating. You have two naturally occurring, rapidly replicating cell lines in your body, your hair follicles, and your immune system. Chemotherapy suppresses your immune response. Anyone who has ever done chemotherapy knows that they have to get a white blood cell count before every chemotherapy because it is going to suppress their white blood cells. Well, what is going to kill circulating tumor cells if chemotherapy is not? What is going to kill them? 

The only thing that is going to kill them is your immune system. The catch-22 of doing chemotherapy is that you are setting yourself up possibly for two years down the line. The cancer cut back with a vengeance. Well, not yet. It never went away. You had the false idea that you were tumor-free, with no evidence of disease, but you were free diagnostic at that point. The circulating tumor cells just had a greater opportunity to start raising that family in the liver.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes, and those cancer cells will adapt. Those cancer stem cells will now adapt and become more resistant to chemotherapy.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes. It gets worse, doesn’t it?

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes. It is harder to treat. What a lot of conventional doctors are finding is that the first time somebody gets diagnosed, they come in, they get chemo, and they typically see fairly good results. But then, when the cancer comes back, it is very hard to treat.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, that is what I am in favor of. It just makes sense. I am not against doing chemo, and I am not against a surgical debulking type of cancer or doing radiation. That is not my forte. Anyhow, I could give that advice. But why do you not keep that in your back pocket? Why do you not do things to address the cause? Why do you not do things that stimulate your immune system to change the environment that has allowed cancer to perforate? But to do those things first, if you need to use chemo to knock it out, you could choose to do that. But you are not jumping to that in the first place.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes. You could stack your odds by, in a sense, fasting—things that when you do use the chemotherapy, give you the best possible benefit. I am totally in alignment with you. I think that a shotgun approach is just going to flood the system with chemotherapy and almost create a reliance on this highly invasive, dangerous drug to keep you alive rather than all these other things that you could be doing to stack your odds and give you the best possible chance.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Right.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes. Super important. When somebody comes to you with cancer, you are trying to figure out, you are using labs to try to figure out what the root cause factors are. You had mentioned toxins. You had mentioned infections. I am sure mental and emotional stressors are factors. Nutritional deficiencies and things like that can be factors as well. You are using labs to figure that out. Then you are setting them up with this frequency medicine approach using the RIFE. How do you figure out the RIFE frequency for that individual?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, there are doubled frequencies for different cancers either. Since the late 90s. I have a lot of different, specific protocols for different bone cancers. We also do kinesiology at our office. We get cheek swabs from everybody to look at the allergy to get more specific about what we need for their type of cancer. I also believe in the cheek.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

The cheek swab is to get their genetic profile. How does that work?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

No, you are also. That is another one. We do, but we do not use genetics to develop the frequencies. We use genetics to look at metabolic pathways. Make it a feed into what could be a part of a cause more or feed it to what could be hit during their body from being able to fight this disease. Yes, so we look at genetics as well. We look at the cheek swab to get exactly what I think, from a nutraceutical standpoint, would be the best thing for that patient. We couple that with different functional medicine tests and standard medical tests to come up with a protocol for the person. 

All of our patient members are using RIFE and nutrition; they are using diet; they are using things to stimulate their parasympathetic, called sympathetic because neurology is important as well. A lot of them are doing the standard of care, too, so they are trying to do everything they can. A lot of our patients come to us because they have failed standards of care. We need to make it work for them, or their cancers will come back with a vengeance. Now they are starting to look at an alternative approach, which is, okay, we are not here to shame anybody. We are just here to take them where they are and move on to the next step. We just try to do as much as that person is willing to do to get their body functioning correctly.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

That makes sense. I had not heard of using a cheek swab to find nutraceuticals. How exactly does that work?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, that is me doing kinesiology. When we see people in the office, we give them. We were completely virtual because we saw people from all over the world. They will send us a cheek swab, and we will do it, and we will come up with the protocol that way.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Okay. Interesting. You are doing muscle testing while you are holding the cheek swab.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes. The DNA of the person. Exactly.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Yes, very interesting. Absolutely. Well, you’re a wealth of knowledge. I know that cancer is not the only thing that you’re helping with. You are dealing with people with Lyme disease. autoimmune conditions, all different types of disorders. You also have a lot of programs set up to help educate people on different strategies when it comes to detoxification and strategies to take back control of their health. I know that was a lot of work. Any last words of inspiration or anything that you want to share with our audience here?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, there were very educated people. I think the more, although that is what I so much appreciate about what you do, I just think the more knowledge that you have, the better you can apply wisdom because wisdom is the application of knowledge. If you do not know, it is hard to make the correct decisions for your family. I think we are moving to a stage in health care where you have to take personal responsibility for things and learn how to best take care of your old family. That is why we set up the courses. I thought, Okay, well, God gave me this knowledge. I need to convey it to other people in a way that they can now take this and make better health decisions. That is what I think you are doing, and you are doing a terrific job of that as well. People need to be educated to be able to take responsibility for their health and make better choices.

David Jockers, DNM, DC, MS

Well, thanks again, Dr. Conners. Guys, you could check them out at ConnersClinic.com and check out all his online courses. Wealth of knowledge there, and he also consults with people all over the world. Check that out and refer anybody that you care about who may be suffering as well. They can work personally with Dr. Conners on these things. Thank you again for your time. Appreciate everything. This is a wonderful interview. Everybody be blessed, and we will see you in a future interview.