Uncover This Life-Changing Medical Machine

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Thank you so much for having me. It’s so good to see you again.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

It’s so good to see you. I’m so delighted to have you here. I didn’t give your background much attention. Enough attention because you have a rich and deep history of cancer care. Can you start to share with us a little bit about your story—how you even got into the holistic cancer space?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, I didn’t need to get into the holistic, like so many practitioners get dragged into something that God wants you to do. You didn’t have that additional attention. Not that I was against it. It just never even crossed my mind. I graduated from chiropractic school back in 1986, so I’m an old guy, but I practice functional medicine. I did kinesiology; I did a lot of hormonal stuff, balancing the adrenals and thyroid, and all this stuff.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Of course, just to clarify for everyone who thinks that chiropractors are about adjusting your back, they do take a very holistic view of education. It’s very different from my degree, in which I’m a medical doctor, but we did not have a holistic education at all. Your education was very different than mine.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

That’s true. So we did have an education that was more natural-based, big into nutrition with supplementation. How to prevent disease and get the person’s body working correctly, I do think I have, though there were times in my career when I thought, Oh, I wish I would have just become a medical doctor because I would be able to do different things with my license. Well, that’s not the right way to go either, because that’s not the path that God had me on. God pushed me down this path and had me learn everything about nutrition to help people with cancer diagnoses. That’s how, even when I was in school, one of the things we’re going to talk about today is the use of Rife Frequency Technology. That’s why I was turned on to that technology when I was in school, but I didn’t start using it until the late nineties. Another ten years went by, but a lot of different life lessons went by before I bought my first rice machine. One of my patients, who was a chiropractic functional medicine patient, came in and said, I told them I had breast cancer in both breasts, and they wanted me to do chemotherapy, but I just did not do it. They said, If you don’t do it, you have three months to live or whatever. They told her it was time; she said, I just want you to help me. That was my aha moment. Wow, I arrived with.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

That said, that’s a big stage to start your performance on. 

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

It’s a little bit of pressure there.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Yes. 

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

She said, If you can’t hear me, I’m just ready to die. I’m just not going to do the chemotherapy because I don’t know. I remember what her experience was now, but it was something that she nursed spread through chemotherapy. She was convinced that the friend died of the chemotherapy and that she was just not going to follow that pattern.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Which, incidentally, does happen. That’s not a far stretch. Because chemotherapy kills cancer cells, it also kills normal cells and the whole system.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Right. Well, you’re just hoping that that kills the cancer before it kills the patient, too.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Yes, but it’s a little bit of a race to the bottom.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Right.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Yes. Right. I can imagine having ushered someone through that path before, which didn’t have a good outcome. we’re all biased by our life experiences. Here’s this woman coming to you who has a very negative perception of what chemotherapy is all about. She’s trusting you her life, this alternative method in her life, in your hands. Tell us how that played out.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, it played out quite well for her. She lived another 13 years.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

With metastatic breast cancer.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Wow. She did well. That was the first experience I had using the Rife machine. 

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Tell us a little bit about that technology and what’s happening with the Rife machine.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

The Rife is using frequencies. That’s why Rife technology is there; still, it’s just a term that’s coined from the dead royal raven. Who did studies with the right frequencies to help people with all sorts of different things? But anybody could say they have a Rife machine, so you have to define what that is. By definition, a real Rife machine uses the right frequencies that penetrate the body. The machine has to have enough power to penetrate the body to be able to affect the cells. Frequency carried real light that could affect the cells. That’s what it is by definition of what a Rife machine is.

That’s what a Rife machine is. There are a lot of machines out there that are like pads that just stick out of your heads, or you hold these little rods or something like that, and they’re frequency generators. But to me, that’s not what’s going to help shield somebody from cancer. You have to use the light frequencies that you have to cycle through those frequencies. You can quite readily do it. I hear people say, Well, I used the Rife machine. I went to chiropractors, or my dad passed that. We did it once a week, and it didn’t seem to help. Well, I don’t think it’s. I don’t think you’re going to get much help with any disease using the Rife machine once a week. It’s just that you have to do it more frequently than that because what you’re trying to do is get the immune system to take another look at that cancer. It helps the immune system kill that cancer.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

How frequently do you recommend this Rife treatment?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

I recommend you do it every day.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Okay. Tell us about, first of all, how it is delivered, and then what is happening in the body. Why is this effective? What is it doing?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

It’s delivered through a frequency generator. Through a bulb. The bulb could be called the test to test the bulb or a plasma bulb, but that’s another term for it. That’s where the light is coming out of that bulb. The machine that we use is the name of the brand. That’s the brand that we have settled on. I’ve used dozens of different machines through the years. That is the best right now. That could change, but it’s what’s best right now. That’s what we use now. When we first started using the Rife, we had a whole different game plan. I went to school, I had a doctor, people come to me, they get treatment, or they go home. We did the right thing in the office. With people who had cancer, we did the right thing daily. Well, I was only open five days a week, so we did it five days a week. But they were in the office for a couple of hours, and it did tell me about ten years ago what one of my patients had as a great success story. I had pancreatic cancer and was admitted to several different areas. It came to us with two weeks to live, according to bail. They gave him two weeks to live, but that was like three days ago; according to that, he’s going to be dead in ten days. We started doing the Rife thing in the office, and he just started getting better. After about eight months of continuing to improve and he was doing great, he told me they were moving to California, and it’s like, “Okay, what do we get? “Do it? he said.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

That’s a little bit too much of a thing.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Commute. Yes, a little bit too much of a trip to Minnesota at the time. Later, I went home. I was searching for office space in Palm Springs. Could I open up a clinic down there to help him and maybe other people there? It was one of those Holy Spirit moments for me—those times in my prayer life where, almost audibly, I could hear God, or almost, I just felt like he said to my spirit, What would you do if you had cancer? The answer was, “Well, I just have this ability to do it every day while I sleep because I could do 8 hours of programming.” I felt like the Lord just said, Well, why are you doing that for everybody else? It was just a big shift in our practice. We just switched; everybody was going to go home with a Rife machine. He went home with the Rife machine, and he lived another several years. so that’s how we use it right now. We don’t even have a clinic that people come to anymore. We just do the program and ship the right tool. They could start using it.

Do all our other nutraceutical education online and around the world. Try to help people that educate people so that the best use of the Rife is using it daily, and that’s what fits my philosophy: I don’t want people to sit there in a chair with a bulb on a day when they could be living; they’re like, Are you trying to get better from cancer? Or try to get better so you can live. Why don’t we program this at night so you can run it at night when you can live during the day? That’s just what fits our philosophy of practice the best. It has worked for a lot of people. I’ll be the first to say that I don’t think it’s a magic wand for disease, but it certainly helps your immune system take another and another look at this cancer to attack it.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

You mentioned that twice. Talk to me about exactly what the Rife technique is and what it is doing. For example, what does that light elicit?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

There are a lot of different theories on what Rife does. Some businesses wrote books on frequency healing that are a lot smarter than I am. If you want to get technical, you could read some of their books on frequency healing by theory, just as a practitioner who’s used it and heartfully tried to apply it to people as it stimulates the immune system to attack it. What are the issues that we have when we’re trying to kill cancer cells? Cancer cells are our old cells. They’re cell tissues. They may be reproducing in rapid, leaky heads. That’s why it’s cancer cells in a state of rapid replication; replicated cells are in a state of rapid replication, but they’re still cell tissue. They’re still self-renewing cells. Well, our cells have a way to turn off our T-cells and natural killer cells. Otherwise, our T-cells and natural killer cells will be killing everything, and we’ll be dead at two days old, post-birth. We’d have to have a way in our body to turn off our immune system so it doesn’t kill cell tissue. That’s part of the issue with cancer, which is that our cancer cells are herded off by a lymphocytic attack against them. 

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Because they are our cells, just like our cancer is not some foreign invader; it is our cells that’ve transformed. But part of that transformation also allows it to evade our immune system because it is a cell. The other part of the cancer picture that I know is not talked about in the medical oncology suites or the radiation oncology suites. Is the whole process of developing breast cancer part of that picture? The immune system is not doing what it’s supposed to be doing because there are so many things in this day and age that are distracting our immune system. We’re dealing with a sea of toxins, and your immune system has to deal with all of that, so it gets exhausted. Everyone all day, every day is making cancer cells, and an intact immune system will recognize that.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

You brought up a better point. a little bit controversial over the years that all day, every day, our body is creating cancer cells. I agree with that. There’s evidence that proves that. What happens is that, as you mentioned, toxins get inside cells, and toxins can damage the DNA and cause the cell to go through rapid replication most of the time—maybe 99.9% of the time, I don’t know. But most of the time, if a cell goes through rapid replication, it kicks off this certain genetic process in these genes called tumor suppressor genes. Tumor suppressor genes kick off what’s called the intrinsic apoptotic process. Apoptosis is cell death. We want the cancer cells to go through apoptosis.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Yes. Programmed cell death. Like intentional.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

If we start to develop cancer, our tumor suppressor genes kick in, causing that cell to die, and we never get diagnosed with cancer.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Because it never reaches critical mass. If it’s just a few cells and they’re going to undergo apoptosis, it’s not an issue.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

They’re dead. But sometimes, for various reasons, that doesn’t do it. Then we’re relying on our immune system to kill it. Because it is cell tissue, we need to get our immune system to look at it over and over again to help us recognize it as an enemy and kill it. That would be that extra-sick apoptotic process from the outside. The immune system is killing that cancer, and that’s what we want to do, as you mentioned, which is true. What are the processes that take place most of the time? But sometimes our immune system is distracted, maybe because we’re fighting inflammatory processes in multiple areas, because we’re inflammatory, or because our diet or lifestyle is inflammatory.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

The environment.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Our immune system, the part of the immune system whose neurology fires that immune attack is the parasympathetic. If we’re living a highly sympathetic lifestyle, we’re overly stressed, and our parasympathetic response is going to be suppressed. that’s going to affect it healthily. Our ability to elicit a healthy immune response to kill cancer There’s lots of variety reasons why a person ends up having a cell mass that reaches what you mentioned, critical mass. Where it’s now three billion cells large and maybe now it’s 20 million cells larger, you feel a little low. It’s that those are the facets that you have to address: dealing with the toxins, dealing with this, building up the immune system, dealing with neurology, and the Rife machine is just another tool that could hit cancer at its frequency and stimulate the immune system to go. Oh, let’s look at that. That’s a bad guy. Let’s go kill it.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Most of what it’s doing is enhancing the immune system, alerting the immune system, and helping the immune system recognize these cells.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

I like that word. It alerts the immune system to recognize that that group of cells called cancer is an enemy. There are other theories, too. One theory is that it caused direct lysis. That does take place. Some of the cells, but certainly not all of the cells. But the biggest way the Rife works is through that alert system that’s alerting the immune system to recognize this group of cells as an enemy so that it will kill it.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Can you describe more about the procedure? Like, what does it look like? What does it feel like? How do you do it?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, it’s simply a bulb, and, the one that we use to say that you could get multiple bulbs for the machines, but we use the word that’s a tube that’s encased in Plexiglas. it’s unbreakable. It’s meant to be used at night while you sleep.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Okay.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

I tell people to cuddle with the bulb. Now the company makes an amplifier so that you can put the bulb under the bed. If you’re like me, I’m not comfortable cuddling with this; I roll around too much and thrash around embedded in the bulb, which flies out of the floor. It won’t break. It’s encased in Plexiglas. But if that’s the person you are, we have some people like that who connect the amplifier; just put the bulb under the bed. Whatever you feel, you don’t feel anything. If you do have it snuggled next to you, you’ll feel warm because it does heat up.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

It doesn’t heat.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

It does add a bit of heat. You will feel warm which is less comfortable in the summer. But if you have air conditioning, it’s calming and comforting. so you get used to rotating it. It makes people feel almost naked without it. It’s something like a teddy bear you’re snuggling with.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Out of curiosity, it is emitting light. One of the biggest reasons why our immune systems are exhausted is that we have a huge sleep disruption issue. Does this have any effect on sleep disruption? We know that we all sleep better in absolute darkness.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

We tell people to put it under their covers so they don’t see the light. This light is not there right now. That’s not an issue. If they buy, we’ve had brain cancer patients that put the bulb on top of their head, like, don’t do that. They’re like, No, I sleep blind, but it is like, Okay, so everybody’s a little bit different with their skin.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Is it something that could easily be solved with a sleep mask anyway?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

It could be solved with a sleep mask. You go with a, there’s a, and the frequencies are going out. You don’t need to have a guy by your head with great care. But this gentleman did that. Just recall that. But so I tell people just to snuggle with the bulb in your belly that’s going to go through your body, go up to your brain, and go down to your feet. It’s going to have plenty of amperage penetration. That isn’t an issue. But if people do have major sleep issues, for whatever reason, they could use the amplifier to put it underneath their bed.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

So how is this on all night long? How long is the optimal time that the machine is on them?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

It depends on the program that I write. I write a program for the person, typically. Yes, it’s on a night when sometimes I’ll only write for our programs for that person, depending on what’s going on with their condition and such. But typically, it’s an all-day program. Yes.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Leaving it on for longer is not harmful in any way. What are the downsides of this therapy?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, there are no contraindications as far as, like, can you use it with a stent? Could you use it with a defibrillator? Yes, it’s a light frequency. It’s not an electrical frequency. There’s no harm in any of those other embedded devices you may have; you could use them with an EMF because the thing about them is electrical frequency. This is a light frequency. It’s different. What’s the downside? The downside of the Rife is that I don’t know what disease you have. With cancer, there’s no downside. If you have Lyme disease and you’re doing Lyme kill programs, Yes, there’s a downside, because this thing does work. If you’re ready, let’s say you have Lyme disease. Borrelia is a bacteria that grabs negative bacteria when they die.

Their cell membranes shatter and grab negative bacteria that have labeled polysaccharides in their cell membranes. You end up with lipopolysaccharide endotoxin in your blood, and you could feel ill. That’s called a cyber reaction. When you’re ready to kill programs for Lyme disease with any gram-negative bacteria, you could kill too fast. If you do so, you’re not going to feel good. We do recommend that if you’re doing this for Lyme, you run your run-show programs for maybe 15 minutes a day, which is excellent to begin with, etc. But with cancer, you don’t get that. That’s not an issue. There is. No, we have some kids who are patients who are laid in a hospital bed because their family is ready. 24 hours a day, the more times that you can get your immune system stimulated against cancer, the better. But that’s within reason if you’re healthy and you’re ambulatory; even with stage four cancer, there’s help in getting outside and walking it exercise to not sitting in front of a bulb all day either. There’s a balance there.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

You mentioned Lyme. What about mold? I find that mold illness is a huge issue and a precursor to breast cancer.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes, it’s very commonly a precursor to a lot of cancers. So remember, with mold and fungi, there’s a different trade. Mold, fungus, and mycotoxins. So mold will produce toxins called. micotoxins. Those are not living things. Those are poisons that mold can also produce. Mold is a type of fungus that could be living in your body, too. Running the rifle on mold and fungus programs could be very helpful. But if you have mycotoxins from the ebola virus or something, then you have to detox. Those mycotoxins are going back to using proper tools. Per the patient’s condition, if they have mycotoxins, you can’t just use them. You have to use them later. You have to open up detox pathways; you’ve got to pull out those mycotoxins. But if that person does have living fungus in them, anything living, what’s the right and what’s the best use of the Rife? Anything living is the best use of it because it will help pull out toxins, but it’ll also help pull out toxins by helping support your living liver tissue and gallbladder programs to help those organs function better. It’s not going to go and grab mercury and pull it out of your body.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

What about dental infections, though? Is it effective for that?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Fantastic dental, like implants, mercury, and stuff? Don’t get what you have to use.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Right.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Toxic infections. There is a huge problem with breast cancer. 

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Huge problem.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

These people have the will.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

I do want to say that anyone who has breast cancer with a history of root causes must go see a biologic dentist because it is so common to have some low-lying, smoldering underlying infection in your mouth, which is the stimulus for breast cancer.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes. We’ve seen thermography pictures where you have a red spot at the mouth going right down to that. Breast cancer. It is, so I’ll just reiterate what you said. Make sure it’s a biological dentist because people go, “Oh, I went to my dentist to pick for that just fine.” Well, no. Getting that taken care of is important. I always put a root canal infection and tooth abscess, a dental voca, a dental infection, and programs out of the way. Those are all available to you.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

We talked about the best use for the right thing—any infection, anywhere. If you have active Lyme, because that is an infection. Is it true also with viral infections?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes. Anything you need an immune stimulant for, anything you need to add anything related to, it’s all your cells. Let’s have kidney disease. My kidneys are shutting down. Well, running the Rife kidney normalizing frequencies is going to help break normalization in the kidney cells and can help your cells heal. It’s any living tissue that’s going to be the best use of the Rife.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

I want to ask specifically because I’m assuming there are different protocols for different things. With regards to the breast, is there just one standard protocol, or does that protocol vary depending on the person?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, it varies depending on the type of cancer and the person. We look at it and try to get to the cause. You mentioned mold being a wide cause of cancer, tooth infection, dental infection, or other possible causes of cancer. You also mentioned toxicity, another cause of cancer. We try to work with our patients, we try to dig into the cause of it, and we believe that if you treat the cause of a person’s problem, sometimes the problem goes away. Your body has this unbelievable ability to heal. If you take away the insult, you don’t still want to try to kill the cancer, but you’re trained to look at the cause too. Everybody’s program is a little bit different from the programs that I write, but I’m talking about the program; I’m talking about the Rife program. The phrase that starts with the Rife is, oh, I have prostate cancer. What’s the prostate cancer frequency? There are like 150 frequencies that are known for prostate cancer. Plus, you have to deal with the co-morbidities of prostate hypertrophy. Plus, you have to deal with: is it metastasized to bulge? We wrote the frequencies for the same thing with breast cancer. There are 150, and 200 frequencies for breast cancer that are going. We had to write that all into the program. Plus, there are no co-morbidities, so they have a plus in dealing with any cause. If we take the tooth infection as a cause or the mold as a cause, we have to write that into the program as well.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Other than using this machine, what else is going into your protocols?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, remember, this machine is just a tool. The tool, as I already said, stimulates your immune system to look at the cancer another way. You have to have a healthy immune system. We have people that just buy a Rife machine from us, but then I’m trusting that they’re going to work with a local naturopath or doctor that’s going to do things that are going to be immune-stimulating. They’re going to work out their neurology called the sympathetic and stimulate the parasympathetic, and they’re going to do all the other things that you have to do because it’s dealing with anybody, whether they have thyroid issues or whether they have cancer. It’s multi-faceted. The more facets that you can address, the better the chance that you’re going to have optimal results. Diet and detoxification, or healing the liver, or dealing with the gallbladder and helping the gut feel it, making sure that you don’t have comorbidity or autoimmune disease, which is a very common cancer dealing with neurology, stimulates the parasympathetic system, using stimulating nutrition, using maybe specific nutraceuticals that could have an oxidative direct kill like protocells or something like that. We check a process and come up with a protocol specific to it, and that’s just how we operate.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

In thinking about things that stimulate the immune system, like vitamin D, or low-dose Naltrexone. of sleep. What kinds of things come to mind for you?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, things like immune stimulants would be, vitamin C and vitamin D. But also, you’re looking at specific things for cancers, like mushroom complexes. Ip6. I have a list of about 80 different things in my book, but the common ones are things like breasts.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Mistletoe is another immune-stimulating agent.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes, so it stimulates the system by being either an irritant so that works well. So kale and mushroom is important for most breast cancer patients.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

I agree. And in terms of the Rife therapy, do you have to do it indefinitely? Is it something that you do for some time and then stop?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, would you recommend people do it indefinitely to a point? Let’s say they have no evidence of disease. They’re fantastic. Their condition: does it make sense just to stop everything? No, because even if you are in a state of no evidence of disease, the evidence could only be seen in the standard of care by exams. 

Jennifer Simmons, MD

That’s something that’s five. Hours on a PET scan. We’re talking about 500 million cells. By the time you can see it on imaging, the cat’s out of the bag. What do you use to follow up to say that people are needy?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

I don’t ever say people have a need.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Okay.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

First of all, that’s not my call, legally.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

That’s okay. Fair enough.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Secondly, I don’t think anybody is. Just because there’s no evidence of disease doesn’t mean that it’s not in there. We’ll use some wisdom here. You could have circulating tumor cells, as measured by circulating tumor cells. There’s zero, and there’s zero in the blood. They’re probably in the liver and the lungs, and they’re just waiting for the opportunity to start reproducing and raising a family. Should we wait until you get to that point and now you have evidence of disease and we could see it on a PET scan? Or should you continue to treat yourself as if it’s all it’s just like if you don’t have cancer, what if you just get and drink from every plastic bottle?

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Yes. Throw caution to the wind.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Because I don’t have a disease. Well, you pack like a 19-year-old, though, because you’re wiser than that. If you have a serious diagnosis, you should treat yourself as if within reason. I don’t think you need to be obsessive-compulsive about your diet—maybe as much. I don’t think you need to be as obsessive-compulsive about using your rights. But it’s pretty easy to turn the blast to God every night while you’re a baby; you’re not going to take a vacation anymore. But while you’re home, turn the thing on. I can’t tell you how many times we had a wife of a husband come in and say after this guy’s death was a death’s door because that’s what usually comes to the alternative practitioner.

Of course. He was at death’s door. He did it. Fantastic. I remember this word game as a full-body cast. He had metastases all over his body. He was a bus driver. He had to give up his job. He was in a full-body cast. He got all better. He went back to work. It was like the most amazing feeling. But this is it, and then we didn’t hear from him for like a year. Then he came into the office, literally fell on the front desk, and told my staff at the time, “Oh my gosh, the cancer’s all back again.” He had stopped using the right four-seven, but he stopped taking his nutrition and stopped his diet. I’m not telling you that. Maybe it would have come back. I have no idea. But I’m just saying that, gosh, you don’t stop doing the things that help you.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

It’s unfortunate, but we all have those cautionary tales. I remember as clearly as the day my patient, Nancy, who came in with just diffuse metastatic disease, was told that she had three months to live and we had her stop drinking. We cleaned up her diet. We treated her H-pylori. We had her see a dentist. A year later, she has no evidence of disease. She had lost, I don’t know, 65 pounds or something like that. Then,  the medical oncologist says, “Oh, you’re good.” So to her, that means go back to eating the way you ate before; go back to drinking. Sure enough, the cancer comes right back. I believe that there is this perception because the way that conventional medicine deals with anything is like this: temporary. Here’s your plan for the next six months, and then go back to doing what you were doing before those people extrapolated that into this world. The things that you and I talk to people about are forever changing. You don’t have to be perfect, but you can’t do what you did before and expect a better outcome.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes. Most people understand that. But some people are so stuck in that medical model that they’re just covering you. They want you to fix them. Even if you fix them, they think it’s done, or they can go back to what got them in their place. Yes, it doesn’t work that way.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Yes. Speaking of which, who is coming to you?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Who’s coming to us? Well, we do a lot of education. We’re trying to get people to come to us when they first hear that they have cancer. But most of the time, that’s not the case. In most attempts, they follow their cancer two years ago, or what did chemo and radiation, etc., or whatever. It’s back with a vengeance. Well, two-thirds of a step is gone, no matter what they said. Now,  they’re looking at alternatives. I get it in the sense that, but you get a dark diagnosis that’s so scary. You just don’t have the mental capacity to start doing research or try to figure out how to heal yourself naturally and the standard of care using so many scare tactics that you feel like you don’t have time to do anything else. The truth is, even if you do choose to do so,  whatever level of standards of care, complete with alternative things at the same time, is going to give you a better outcome, period. So most people that come to us are in the later stages, and that’s okay. We don’t judge. But if you could decide to make lifestyle changes earlier, you’re going to have a better chance of your body’s being able to heal and respond the way you want it to.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

So the way I see this is, first of all, that I talk a lot about this in my book, The Smart Person’s Guide to Breast Cancer. The vast majority of people who get a breast cancer diagnosis have plenty of time to do their research to figure out what is best for them, what feels right, and what is going to be the right decision. It doesn’t have to be the thing that you’re told to do and pushed into and scared into, certainly not immediately. You have the time to learn to do research. Even if you are told that you are disease-free because you’ve had surgery, because you’ve had radiation, because you’ve had chemotherapy, or even if you’re told that you’re done with treatment when you first get diagnosed, it’s so wise to consider something like this because, again, even if there aren’t circulating tumor cells, we know that breast cancer from the onset is a systemic disease. If all they see is a little tumor in your breast, that does not mean that’s all there is. Because, as we started to talk about in the beginning, by the time you get diagnosed, there are millions, if not billions, of cells. Some of them are circulating. Some of them are not going to be part of the tumor that you recognize. So thinking about this disease from the onset as a systemic disease allows you to include and incorporate things like this, which will make a difference in the long term. Because if you think about it like a systemic disease and do everything that you can to protect your system and promote the health of the system, then you’re going to have a far better outcome.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

I agree with you 100%.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

The last thing I want to talk to you about is that I know you are a person who is very connected to God. How important do you think God is when you’re on this breast cancer journey?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, God is important whether you’re out of breast cancer or not, because he’s our hope for all things temporal and certainly everything internal. Being connected with him is nice. Whether you’re in a critical situation with scary things happening or in any difficult situation, whether it’s a financial collapse or a cancer diagnosis, you have to have your eternal spirit connected to him. that’s important. We have patients who are Christians. That’s okay. We’re not proselytizing to them. We’re here to support them, wherever they are. But I have no qualms about sharing that. My journey and my walk with God, because that’s what gives me strength. He’s what gives me strength, and he’s who I call on for strength two to do everything. There’s a lot of decision-making to be made. I believe that we need to call on him, but we need to have a relationship with him to be able to help and to be guided through this decision process. Should I do chemo? Should I not continue with the estrogen blocker? Should I not take estrogen blockers? These are questions that all our patients have. 

These are questions all our patients have. The more connection that you could have with your Heavenly Father, the more coverage that you’re going to have. But it’s also important for us to talk about the neurology side, the parasympathetic sympathetic side. I’ll tell you, there are patients across the board, whatever cancer they have, who do the best they need to. We want our outcome to be that cancer goes away and we can continue to live. Let’s call that the best. The patients that do the best tend to be the ones that are the most called about their cancer. I believe that is a neurological piece. The parasympathetic nervous system is so important in healing disease; your parasympathetic system is called the parasympathetic arrest of relaxation. Your parasympathetic system also stimulates your immune response. Your parasympathetic system is completely controlling your detoxification. That’s why you would do coffee enemas, because it stimulates your vagal there, which is your parasympathetic, or the people that have that deep relationship with God, “Hey, I want to get better. I want to see my grandkids. I want to feel like I have a lot more to offer in this life.” But I’m okay if God takes me home too. But I’m here because I want you to tell me how to get better. But they have that healthy balance that now we grieve, but we don’t grieve as the rest of the world grieves without hope. We do have hope in the future, regardless of whether it’s here on Earth or whether it’s in heaven. Those are the people who tend to be the coldest to the bitterest. There, they have that balance between their parasympathetic and their sympathetic. There’s a lot of healing that takes place there.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Yes, I couldn’t agree more, and it doesn’t matter what religion you subscribe to; it doesn’t even matter if you subscribe to a religion, because it’s about being connected and being connected to something bigger, having purpose and a desire to live, and taking comfort in the fact that there is a plan and you don’t necessarily need to worry about that. You said that people who are calm about their diagnosis don’t mean that you don’t do what you need to do to heal. You certainly do. But know that there is a grander plan. It is happening.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yes, we have a responsibility on our part. If we don’t fulfill that responsibility, we will suffer the consequences of it. We suffer the consequences of our own decisions here, and it’s true. but follow that responsibility. You do everything you care about—everything you educate yourself to do. Every day you go, but then you leave the results in God’s hands, where they can rest. That’s where the piece comes in.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

I just wanted to review all the great stuff that we talked about today. We talked about Rife technology and how it delivers Rife frequency and stimulates the immune system to start to recognize cancer cells. reengage as your T cells, your natural killer cells, and that there are lots of things in our environment that are adversely affecting our immune system and damaging our cells, like lack of sleep over exercise, stress, toxins, chemicals, and low-lying infections. that this technology can be a huge contributor to the healing process. Of course, it has to go along with getting to the root cause, determining what is driving that disease state, and dealing with that. Lots of times there are co-infections like Lyme disease or mold fungus, things that are also dental infections, things that can also be mitigated with this technology, although it has to be carefully done to prevent or hurt time or reaction or that flu-like reaction. That happens when you kill things too quickly because they release endotoxins into your system. It is safe to use this technology along with other kinds of technology, like EMF. As long as you’re not killing an organism too fast, you shouldn’t have any side effects. But we talked about the fact that the Rife machine is just a tool and that it has to go through a lot of dietary and lifestyle changes and things that stimulate your immune system, and that it should be used early on in the process, running indefinitely to the point that you may not need to travel with it, but there is no reason to stop using it because it is so benign and it can be the key to keeping that tumor load at bay. Last but not least, we talked about the importance of having a greater purpose, having something to live for, and knowing that there is a grand plan in place. We certainly have to do our job, play our role, and do what we can to heal and play our part in that. But knowing that we are connected to something greater gives us faith that whatever is meant to happen for us will happen for us as long as we continue to play our role. Did I leave anything out?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Wow, you are great at summarizing.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Well, where can people find you? Since I know there are going to be a lot of people interested in talking to you?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, you can talk to me if you want. You can schedule what we call a case review that we do through our website, connersclinic.com. C.O.N.N.E.R.S.C.L.I.N.I.C dot com. which can be found at the beginning of this page. You can schedule a case review, or you can just utilize all the information on our website, too. I have a blog post with tons of information. We feel like part of our mission is to just educate ourselves. Whatever is best for people, however, they need to move to the next level. Appealing.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

Dr. Conners, thank you so much for being here today, for sharing all of your wisdom and experience, and for giving people hope, because I know that that is a major part of what you do. It’s not a false hope. I just love the energy that you’re sending out to the world. I am so grateful for you and all you do, and I am so happy to have learned about what you do. Because I know that it is going to be something that contributes to so many. You are making a difference.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Jennifer Simmons, MD

It’s Dr. Jenn.