Advanced Modalities For Using Energy To Heal​​

Ken Klee

Well, thanks Tom, it’s such a pleasure to be here. I’m honored to be a guest on your show.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, now you have to tell us about your journey because Ken was a graduate of Stanford and economics, got his law degree from Harvard, then was a practicing attorney and bankruptcy law has a large firm, I’ve met you in your offices, beautiful offices in Los Angeles and then even a professor of law at UCLA, how the heck did you get into energy healing? What happened tell us about that.

Ken Klee

Well, it certainly wasn’t something I ever thought I’d be doing Tom, what happened was this, I had the pleasure to work at a law firm that had a sabbatical program. So every five or six years the partners would get three months off with pay. And in the 1980s, I think it was 1983, my wife and I went to France, we were reflecting on our lives, and I said, you know what, I have a great life, I have a blessed life, except I have some pain in my back and neck. Not serious pain, not debilitating pain, but pain that would prevent me from having full rotation of the neck.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

So I said, I’d like to do something about this. And I reflected on my life and decided I would try massage, which for me was a real step over the line, into a different, so I tried massage and the fellow who gave me a massage was a chiropractor. And he convinced me to try chiropractic. So I thought chiropractors were quacks, I didn’t believe in it, but I decided I would try it, I trust this guy and I went to him and he crunched the neck and all this stuff and I’d have temporary relief, but the pain would come back in the back of the neck, and I would wonder why this was, well, he and the doctors and everybody would say it’s stress, but I didn’t buy that, because at that point in my life, I was causing a lot more stress than I was feeling. 

I just kept looking for answers. And then one day my dear wife Doreen came home and she said, I been on an acupuncture session at a charity auction and I won it and nobody’s gonna stick needles in me, you like strange things, you go try it. So I wound up trying acupuncture, I never would have tried it otherwise. I got even more relieved by it about half of my food allergies went away, and I found there was even deeper level of relief from the pain in the back of the neck, but it would come back. So, I kept looking, it wasn’t an obsession, it was just sort of a, a quest or a hobby to figure out what I could do to deal with this and where it was coming from and how it was working. Then in 1997, my law firm Noldus Retreat at the San Ysidro Ranch, just south of Santa Barbara and Monticello a lovely place. 

And they provided a free massage as part of the service for our firm and I signed up for something called Reikis. And this woman, well, I’m fully clothed, right, so she’s massaging, she’s not touching the body. She’s putting her hands around the body in different positions and she patterning cosmic symbols, and after an hour, I’m in a blissful state, no pain in the back and neck, nothing. And I was just, my jaw dropped, I said, how could this happen? What did you do?

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

And she said something like, oh, this is the radiant stick deep authentic Reiki. I pattern cosmic symbols and activating the whole light energy in you and the light expanded and caused the pain to dissipate. And of course I’m thinking to myself surely, but some small part of me said, how can I learn how to do this? Because if I’ve got a sore neck or shoulder and I can take my hand over there and wave it and get the pain to go away, sign me up.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

So I started studying the Radiance Technique in December of 1997 and found that I actually had some aptitude to work with it. And I kept it very quiet, I just started working on family and friends. But about 14 months later in January of 99, I was teaching at the UCLA School of Law, and we had a visiting professor from Australia. 

Cyrus was his name, he came up there and he wanted to go to lunch and we went to lunch and we started going to lunch, he started coughing and sneezing, I said, what’s going on? He said, I’m allergic to the eucalyptus trees, eucalyptus trees line the campus drive there, right between the faculty center and the law school. So we’re walking back from lunch and he starts coughing and sneezing again. I said, hey, Cyrus, would you like me to do something to try to abate your allergies, that’s a lawyer word for reduce. so he said, sure. 

So I went into his office with him, I closed the door, I started doing the radiance technique on him and got the allergies to clear up, and he thanked me. And he said, how would you like to see something. I said, sure, and said, put up your hand. So I put up my hand and from across the room, he goes like this with his hand. And I could feel something on the surface of my hand. I said, what are you doing? He says this is Pranic Healing, my wife and I own a franchise on this in Australia. And of course, I’m thinking to myself, well, if you can do that, why didn’t you clear your allergies? I didn’t say that,

Tom McCarthy

I was thinking too.

Ken Klee

Of course, well, it turns out, he is just enough to throw the energy, he didn’t know or the mechanics, his wife was involved with it.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

So I asked him what it was and how it works, and of course it turned out that one of the centers of Pranic Healing in the United States was in Southern California. And so I started studying there and met the grand master Pranic Healing who was grand master Chao Kok Sui, of blessed memory. And he took me under his wing, few years later, I started meditating because Pranic Healing has a meditative side called our heart at yoga. 

I started studying this, and as soon as I started meditating, my world changed because sending the energy up in the twin hearts meditation, and having the downfall of energy, opened up my crown center and all this information started pouring through. I would wake up, my hair would be standing up, and I would have knowledge of full body knowledge of healing modalities that wasn’t there the day before.

Tom McCarthy

Wow.

Ken Klee

Yeah, and this was, it was like something you’d see in a movie, but you wouldn’t believe it.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

So from there I started studying different energy healing modalities, I studied working with pulsors, which are wonderful human energy healing tools. Dr. George Yao was an aeronautical engineer at Hughes develop. You put micro crystals in like a little pendulum like this, folded it spins and it can show you where there’s dysfunction in the various subtle bodies. And then I started looking into crystal healing and other things. So most energy healers Tom, focus on one or two things and they get very good at it and that’s what they do.

Tom McCarthy

Right.

Ken Klee

And my path was different, it was to be eclectic. So I just started snowballing and I decided in 2001 to incorporate a charity for my healing ministry called Klee Ministry and set up the website probably nine or 10 years later, because it was all word of mouth. So I have this website it’s pretty rudimentary at www.kleeministry.org. And I started ministering to people and doing healing services, and I haven’t looked back, it’s been 20 years since then, and I’ve worked on over 2000, probably 2,500 people from around the world. They used to fly in, and then during this pandemic, I started doing remote healings on zoom and it’s just been a calling.

Tom McCarthy

That’s amazing, and you worked on me, you’ve worked on me, and you helped me out just earlier with some tension in my neck, as we were getting going, you were working on me. I really appreciate that.

Ken Klee

I’ve worked on you, Tom, I’ve worked at other business people and lawyers and judges who otherwise would never have come into energy healing, but because I station as a lawyer and a professor, I had a credibility that drew people to it. And of course the free publicity, never hurt. So the L.A Times healing article, which I did not solicit, the L.A Business Journal article, which I did not solicit. And The Wall Street Journal article, a front page article with a dark photograph and everything, which I did not solicit was the universe pushing.

Tom McCarthy

Yes.

Ken Klee

This process along.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, and pushing you along to just expand what you were doing, yeah, I know.

Yeah, yeah, well, and it does help that you are kind of the face of it when they see it, because they’re like, okay, this is not a guy that his whole life he’s been doing this, or probably didn’t even believe in it for part of his life, but.

Ken Klee

Actually, I did believe it, very varied.

Tom McCarthy

And somebody with a very, attorneys have a very critical mind, they have to look for the flaws and things, and so that’s of the things that was, now I believed in it already, but I was just even more excited about meeting you and finding out more about what you do and having you work on me. And one of the things that I read about was how even when you are in your role as an attorney, you work on harmonizing the energy for places you go into. 

Or there was an article in The Wall Street Journal, I think it talked about how one of your fellow law professors had gotten upset with students the day before, because they were showing up late and how you came in and kind of harmonized the next day, where everybody was getting along, And she talked about it, how the energy changed so, that’s so cool how you use it, not just for healing, but you really are changing energy and harmonizing and uplifting people wherever you go.

Ken Klee

But I had to really draw a line in the practice of law because the practice of law is sort of a zero sum adversary system for most. But if I’m hired as a mediator or an arbitrator, and the purpose is reconciliation, then I’ll bring the energy in. But if I’m just going into a courtroom and in a knock-down, drag-out litigation, I won’t do it because I, I really feel it tilts the playing field, I don’t think it’s right, but when it’s the purpose of it is reconciliation and settlement I’ll do that. And of course I do that in the healing side all the time.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, I love it and you talked about earlier, like your journey included so many different modalities. That’s one thing whenever I’m with you, it’s a mind blowing all the different things that you can access and call in, where do you get the capacity to learn all these different things, like you said, most people they’re really good at one. You’re so good at so many things. How were you able to do that?

Ken Klee

Well, there’s a wonderful book on “Human Dynamics” written by Sandra Siegel and David Horn. And it gives various types of people and the way they process information. And this helped me enormously because I have the capacity of somebody that’s called a physical mental. Those are my strong students, and the physical mental is somebody that has a lots of filters can download and process lots of information sorted out, and then spit it out very rapidly. And it took me years to understand that the people in my classes and others couldn’t process it as fast as I could pour it out for the most part.

Tom McCarthy

Right.

Ken Klee

Because you have different people who are hardwired in different ways. So it just so happened that I was that right type to be able to handle this tremendous synthetic approach. When I sat down to write my book on “Introduction to Energy Healing”, which is still in process and found I had over 65 different healing modalities I had to give the rudimentary makes an introduction pretty long.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, I hope that book gets out soon cause I know everybody watching this will wanna get that book, and let’s talk about, let’s talk about energy healing so, somebody comes to you, what do you see? Explain kind of the process of what you see and how you work with them, and then later on everybody, Ken’s gonna give us some things we can do to release anxiety and stress. But what’s the process because I’ve been with you, I don’t know exactly how you, even when you looked at me, but you just notice things, you notice things when I’m around, I remember talking to you about my son one time and he’d had a concussion and he was in Boston, and, but you said, he’d still has something blocking there. And so what is it that you’re seeing that you’re working on? What’s going on.

Ken Klee

Well Tom, there are four basic higher sensory perceptions, there’s feeling, which is called Clairsentience, which at the type of thing that’s open and a lot of people we’ve had a situation where we go into a party or a meeting. And before anybody says anything, we either have a good feeling or a not so good feeling about that happens through this process of third, Cynthia. 

The audience is hearing things, so not everybody that hears voices is crazy, sometimes they just have this hearing perception of the inner planes open and they hear things from the asphalt plane that most people can’t see. Think about dogs hearing things above the range of human hearing. What the dogs are hearing is very real, it’s just not humans can’t hear it, so we don’t .

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

Then there’s scene, which is called clairvoyance. Clairvoyance is misunderstood and people use it to mean pre cognition, knowing what’s gonna happen before it happens. It has an aspect of that, but mostly clairvoyants are seeing the subtle energy fields around people’s bodies, so for example, if we look over your left shoulder and there’ll be a few, clairvoyants watching this video, people can see the heavy energy off your left shoulder that sort of sits there as a dark cloud. 

That’s an example of clairvoyance, and then Tom, if the crown is open, you have claircognizance, I’m sure some of the old prophets had this. This is just knowing things direct, knowing through direct perception, without having to think about, so where this comes in really handy is if I need to give an example, say I’m teaching a class or something like that.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

I’ve got a room of 40, 50 people. I can pull somebody up and know exactly that they have the condition I need, that I’m illustrating the healing method for. And it’s just a tremendous gift.

Tom McCarthy

So you have all those modalities, all those things you described, you have access to.

Ken Klee

Exactly, and so you use them, you can use them all, but I tend to rely on the claircognizance more than the others, because you can get distracted from the other sensory perceptions, they are still sensory perception, they’re just higher sensory perceptions.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

But the knowing when it happens is really accurate.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

So that’s how it works. And then of course there are diagnostics, right, you’re not gonna be the analytical person I am without checklists and things like that, but I can run through my head. They’re very fast paced and I can muscle test things and check where things are. 

If I see somebody I’ll check their chakras. And so for you, I’ll say, oh, there’s something in your third chakra, in fourth chakra and your sixth chakra. And then I’ll go through and I’ll clear those things out in the right order and stuff like that. So there are analytics you can do if you’ve come across a block and you’re not quite sure what it is.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, that’s amazing, that’s amazing, wow, unbelievable. So when you talk about people hearing things and they’re not all crazy, I’ve also heard you talk about other entities that are out there that might even attach to us, can you talk a little bit about that?

Ken Klee

Sure, so the fact of the matter is, is that we’re not alone and there are all sorts of unseen entities that at least most people don’t see some feel them, some see them and feel them. And they run all different kinds of categories. Nature spirits actually exist and are prevalent, but what you’re talking about are the Astro entanglements that people have, the cords that they have back and forth, the books, the entanglements that humans can have with each other, and this can travel across time and space and can create this function in the body. And it’s there, but there are also wayward spirits. We don’t do a very good job of teaching people how to die. And so a lot of times when the physical body is dropped and the spirit persist after death, people don’t know to move on for the light. We’ve got a lot of earth bound spirits.

Tom McCarthy

Wow.

Ken Klee

Some of them have desires and they have no body with which they act out those desires. So they’re looking for a body to come into to satisfy their needs and their desires, it’s not malicious on their part for the most part. It’s just that no bodies are in short supply.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

And so sometimes you’ll see that and that’s called a spirit exorcism or a spirit possession that needs an exorcism to get it out. But then there’s also demonic possession so, this sounds a lot worse than it often is. Every time we have a negative thought and our rational mind is great at being unrealistically, hypercritical, and demanding and expecting perfection. Every time we create a negative thought, if we reinforce it enough, we create our own little invisible demons if you will, that can take over the body. Usually when we’re tired or hungry or whatever. And they have to be taken out as well. And sometimes you can see them, sitting off people and stuff like that.

Tom McCarthy

So let’s talk about that for a second because people that have studied kind of new age thinking, they’ve heard thoughts are things, thoughts are energy. You’re actually saying that we’re even creating sometimes our own little demons that are entities that exist, that originated from the thought, is that what you’re saying?

Ken Klee

Absolutely, and most of the ones that aren’t very positive come they’re fear Bates. And fear being the opposite of love from an inner perspective. And the fear can actually create these little thought forms and they actually have a bone chilling, cold energy to them and they have different, grades and characters, but you can see them in and around the body and they need to be taken out as well.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, so as I’m hearing you talk, I can just imagine you as like a, a young man looking at this today, going who is this guy, right, how?

Ken Klee

Absolutely, I wouldn’t believe any of it, I would’ve thought it was absolutely. I think this guy should be committed.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, and thank God you had the courage because you were not just an attorney, you were at the top, top, top, but you were the Michael Jordan of bankruptcy attorneys. It took a lot of courage I’m sure to come out and start doing this work.

Ken Klee

It did but there are two basic human emotions that come up with this stuff, one is curiosity and the other is fear. And the curiosity is because it’s so new and interesting and implausible, and the fear comes up from because if this is true, then we have to reconceived our whole notion of what the universe is, how it works, what’s true.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

And for people who are control based and want security and predictability and no one ever understand everything and how it works. If you’ve got a real aversion to change or the unknown, you run as fast as you can from this stuff, so for me, thankfully there was very little fear and a lot of curiosity. And so I’ve just pursued.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, and what happened when people started hearing about it? Like your reputation and in the law field, obviously you’re still very esteemed and people seek you out, so, I mean, there are probably some people that said, Hey, what’s going on there but.

Ken Klee

Well,

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

Either way they are my firm, I think about half the people thought I was nuts and the other half were open to it. I don’t think I ever lost the case because it, it’s certainly not something I forced on people unless they ask for it, my opponents had tried to use it against me, I think the funniest thing that ever happened to me, in my older years I started doing expert witness work. And so when you’re hired as an expert witness, you have your deposition taken. 

And I had some fellow, cross-examining me asking me about my profession and all this, and do you have any other professions and I said, no, and then he was, aha what about this? And I said, well, this is a hobby, it’s not a profession, and at the time it was, I didn’t pay myself anything at the time when I started paying my healing interns after the journal article, I started paying myself something too. But at the time I didn’t, anyway, he tried to make me look like my credibility was being impeached, but at the break, he said, hey, can you work on my back, and I just got the biggest kick out of that.

Tom McCarthy

That’s awesome, what a great story. Talk a little bit about dis-ease why does it show up, A lot of people watching, you probably have some dis-ease, what is, yeah, what is dis-ease?

Ken Klee

Dis-ease is disharmony, it’s whether it’s an actual disease, like a virus or a parasite or a fungus, or whether it’s just a part of the body where there’s an ache and pain, it’s all about vibration. If you think about it, Tom, at an energy level, all we are as vibration we’re just a bunch of atoms, vibrating around. If the atoms are harmonic and they’re synchronous, life is good. If they’re in disharmony and they’re locked or tangled, then dis-ease can resolve, and this can be anything from a smile, does that headache or a muscle nodding up to a severe dysfunction in the body, what science would call dread diseases. And there are hallmarks of characteristics of these different diseases, but essentially when you come right down to it, it’s just about taking error or disharmony and turning it into harmony or truth.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, that’s awesome, and that’s what your work does.

Ken Klee

Yeah, it does through one modality or another, it’s all, that’s really the bottom line.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, if we can, let’s give people something they can use because, right now, and not just right now, but so many people struggle with stress, we talked about anxiety, all these emotions, trying to keep up, we just had this we’re coming out of now, the COVID era where we got locked up, a lot of people experienced stress around having, everybody around them for long periods of time. We loved it in my house having the kids back, it was a lot of fun, but for some people is stressful, their stress in some of their businesses, what can people do to release stress and anxiety?

Ken Klee

Well, one of the basic things they can do is to reframe their thinking, the rational mind and the ego, as I said before, like to reach out and grab and control everything and have certainty and predictability and be able to grasp what they’re doing. The universe doesn’t work that way, back we’re constantly seeing creation and destruction, we see it in the macrocosms science acknowledges the macrocosm, but it happens in the microcosm too. And to the extent we can embrace change and make it an ally and go from a gang mode into a you mode of just allowing things to come to us and trusting that life is going to unfold just the way it is. 

And recognizing that the lessons that we face the so-called obstacles are opportunities for our soul to grow. So the rational mind, which expects perfection in everything we do, don’t buy into those thoughts you’re not your thoughts. Start watching the negative thoughts that come out of your head and pop the thoughts that don’t serve you. And then just engage the thoughts that are in line with harmony and oneness and love and peace, and you will have a much, much happier life.

Tom McCarthy

Up on that one though, you said pop the thoughts that aren’t in, what do you mean when you say pop the thoughts, what do you mean by that?

Ken Klee

Okay, so most people are simply reactive to their thoughts. If they, it have a negative thought in their head, like lawyers are very good at theories about what can go wrong. So the human is one of the only animals that can think him or herself sick, right. humans can make themselves sick. Think about how sick that is, zebras on the plane, they sit there, if there’s a lion that comes, they jump into action, trying to run away, but other than that, they sit there, and chew their cud, they eat the grass.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

People need to be a lot more like that. So you can do it by stepping back and watching the thoughts that come out of your head, not just knee jerk, reacting to them. If you see a thought that you don’t like, take any teenage girl, right? Every pimple on her face at the end of the world.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

You can, no, wait a minute, no, I’m not ugly, I’m not gonna mean, I’m never gonna get married or have friends or be attractive. And you can take the thoughts that come out and negate them. Whether it’s watching them as a bird, flying through clouds, watching them as a ripple in a pond or taking a pin and a bubble and popping them, which I like to do.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, I like that.

Ken Klee

I liked some have exploding bouquets of flowers, whatever it is, whatever metaphor works for you, Tom, do it. You can watch your thoughts and not buy in, but there’s something else you can do as an exorcism.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

And I have a couple of free meditations on my website one is clearing the chakras, which is very helpful, the other is raising your vibration, which is extremely healthy because the anxiety comes from this distrust of what’s going to happen. So if you know how to meditate and to meditate on trust, but you can always raise your vibration and learn how to do this. And if you watch this video just a few times, you’ll be able to do it yourself. And then you’re not gonna be able to prevent the cycles of life. Life goes through cycles, that’s just the way it is, it’s part of the law of cycles, but what you can learn, how to do is to stretch out the peaks and the move more quickly through the valleys.

Tom McCarthy

I love that, when, and as you said, like, people are addicted to certainty, they want to know exactly what’s gonna happen next, and that tomorrow’s gonna be pretty much like today. And it’s just not the way the world works, but it’s actually pretty amazing that it’s not the way the world works, because it allows creation. Like even somebody who’s sick today, do they wanna know for certainty that I’ll be sick again tomorrow, they don’t they want things to be changing and life gives that opportunity, it gives that opportunity to create. So if we get excited about that instead of fearing that it’s pretty cool way of looking at life I think.

Ken Klee

It is, but the ego may have a fear of change and it may be inherited or may come from a past life. And so you have to really meditate into it and get underneath it and start changing your whole outlook. That’s why I said embrace change and make it an ally.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, hey, talk a little bit about that, you just brought something up sometimes, and I’ve just read about different things where you’ve done, where somebody comes in and you found that this was something necessarily even created by them, whatever’s going on in their life, it was something inherited from a past life or maybe a relative or something like that, can you talk a little bit about that?

Ken Klee

Sure, well, I think of the lifetime as the intersection between the soul line, all the lifetimes past, present, and future, and the lineage that the mother and father ancestor.

Tom McCarthy

Right.

Ken Klee

So if you just look at plain lineage and epigenetics is recognized, you inherit more than just your good looks, right, I mean, you inherit habits that your ancestors have, predilections for certain diseases, certainly gene markers, and you can inherit something that will open and blossom that are particular age. Now you don’t have to have that happen, you can go in and you can heal it, and when it’s inherited, you can feel the whole lineage. 

So you can go to the most ancient ancestor who had it heal it in them, even if they’re dead and take it all the way down through the lineage, through the descendants. The other thing you can do though, is occasionally something will happen, it’s based on a past life. So I had a woman who was gagging in her throat and choking and whatever, and another woman who was afraid of water, it turns out they had wanted them hung by the neck and the other drowned.

Tom McCarthy

Wow. 

Ken Klee

And they both had throat issues around past life experiences, their current life, they had no frame of reference for it, but it was there, so you go back to the past life, you clear in the past life, and then you clear the soul line all the way to the present and through the rest of this life, the future lives. And it can make a world of difference in a lifetime of suffering it can be gone in an instant.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, and clearing things from the past, even generations back then, and as you clear their lineage, it clears it for your children and people beyond it doesn’t they don’t have to live with it, which is really amazing.

Ken Klee

Exactly, right. And that’s why if I do a healing on a young lady, I not only heal her, but I heal the eggs that she’s carrying.

Tom McCarthy

Oh, wow, wow, very cool. So what is your hope for energy healing, I know at one point in time, you talked about maybe developing a device that could measure energy, so it becomes something people can, maybe believe in a little bit more. I mean, I believe in it, you believe in it. And many people do, but some people, they have to see it, verified by some mechanism, is that still something that you’re working on or?

Ken Klee

I would be happy to collaborate with somebody who’s an inventor to work on this.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

I’ve approach various institutions that I won’t name here that are well-known to do this research and development and nobody is taking me up on it.

Tom McCarthy

Okay, 

Ken Klee

It’s not difficult if I can feel and see these energies and I can get, 80 or 85% of the people I work with to be able to do this, we’ve got to be able to develop an apparatus that can measure it. So that if I go into your field and I say, oh, there’s this density over your left shoulder. And I can wave some wand in there and they can put a needle on screen. And then I wave my hand or take a crystal and clear it out and show that it’s changed. And the needle on the screen then shows the difference. Then science is gonna have to pay attention to this.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Ken Klee

They assume that the burden of proof is with anybody who doesn’t do what they do. Like what the burden of proof on me, they have no right to do it, but they do it. And so I say, okay, look, we’re not gonna get them to change their paradigm, unless you can measure it, have a double blinded and verifiable, they’re not gonna change. 

So that’s just the way they are, why fight city hall on there. So what we need to do is develop that apparatus, well, I had a client the other day who told me, you know what, that apparatus is already there. She had a heart arrhythmia and she had a monitor inside it was measuring everything. And I did an energy healing on her and it cleared completely, and she said, all of the doctors saw it and couldn’t explain it, but they had verifiable evidence. 

Well, I wanna go way beyond that, I mean, that’s just the person with arrhythmia. And so whether you’re doing this with MRIs or whether you’re doing it by designing this apparatus, that can actually measure the subtle energies and the subtle energy bodies, if we can have electron microscopes and we can see electrons and electron clouds, we’ve gotta be able to design a device that can measure these blockages in the field. And once we do that, then these worlds come together because then science has to pay attention to more than just the physical body. There’s already in psychiatrists and things like that, but for the most part, science is here’s the physical body, let’s cut it out, let’s put drugs in it, let’s irradiate it, let’s set broken bones, that’s their frame of reference. 

Once we can design the apparatus, then they’ll see the autheric, the emotional, the mental, the asphalt, the closet on the spiritual bodies. And they’ll see all the blockages that are off body causing the dysfunction or the disease. Then all these years they’ve ignored because they don’t have knowledge.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, yeah, they’re really working on the symptom, not the cause.

Ken Klee

Right, most of the time, if you break a bone and then they can set it.

Tom McCarthy

Sure, oh, that’s amazing. Well, you are a treasure and I just am so thankful that you came on our summit, I hope everybody reaches out to you and goes to your site so it’s Klee, K-L-E-E ministry.org.

Ken Klee

Yeah.

Tom McCarthy

And you have different classes you do to train people in energy healing, you have different evening meditations that you do, where they change their energy there, and you even work on some people, the ones I’d been in. So I hope people will reach out. You’re just an amazing human being and an amazing soul, and I’m just so thankful that you’re a friend of mine and part of my life, so thank you so much for being on here, Ken.

Ken Klee

Thanks, Tom, it’s been an honor to participate here and if people wanna go to the website and sign up for the seven signs I teach on Tuesday night, Pacific time, six to seven, twice a month.

Tom McCarthy

Awesome.

Ken Klee

And they’re are free

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, beautiful, alright. Thank you so much, Ken, keep doing your amazing work, you are helping shift the energy on the planet and we’re so grateful to have you doing this amazing work you do, so God bless you and thank you so much.

Ken Klee

Thank you.