Learn The Best Ways To Manage Your Lyme Stress​

Cathy Bliss

I’m doing wonderfully Robby and thank you so much for inviting me to be on your Summit.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Well, we’re happy to be here and look for you to be here. Can you just spend a couple of minutes and just kind of step back, give us a little feel for even why and how you got involved in the PEDro sciences and then bring us forward to today and maybe even how you either integrated into your daily life or more importantly, just sort of how you got started. What inspired you and then how you advanced to your own applications in emotional or behavioral healing?

Cathy Bliss

Absolutely. So you can probably see behind me is a picture from when I used to be in the ice show. When I was 17, I joined Ice Follies and I was on the tour. And I remember when I first joined the ice show, I found a book called “The Body Electric,” well-known book. And I had, that was my first exposure to holistic health. And my dad was a doctor. So I had been brought up AMA all the way and then all of a sudden I’m learning these things. When I was in the ice show, I was mainly focused on skating. Then years later, I was invited to see Dr. Drouin Dr. Paul Drouin. He’s a French Canadian doctor with a very strong French accent. And he was doing a demonstration on biofeedback and I was fascinated. 

And what was so interesting was he showed on a screen, how the body reacts can actually be seen through biofeedback. And I was like, well, you could see the stress in the spine, and you could see the stress in the digestion, the emotions, you could actually see an emotional charts and since you brought up emotions. Well what’s the highest stress, the most acute stress and what’s the most chronic stress. So that does two things. One is knowing what it is. We can talk about it. We can send programs to relieve it. And I was so fascinated. I had some sessions with Dr. Drouin, and then I just had to go get this. You remember “Star Trek,” the tricorder to make.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Yeah.

Cathy Bliss

Okay, so we’re showing our age, yeah, I’m a Trekkie. The tricorder was like so old ancient healing. ‘Cause our device has Chinese medicine and acupuncture and Irv. So ancient healing with modern technology. And as you know for me not knowing how to do Zoom, took a lot to learn how to run this program. But over the years, I’ve been able to help elite athletes. ‘Cause they only need a little tweak, but I’ve been able to help people with complex chronic illnesses, because if they can know, well, where do I start? With Lyme there’s Bartonella, Babesia, and biofilms and take this, oh my goodness. So they’re an overwhelm, like you said, “Where do I start?” It’s different for each person. So using a scan I can help to see where’s the stress, relieve the stress and in my practice, what I found is, I told you this the other day, I just like to add in one thing and take away one thing. And that changes your whole trajectory because you go to the doctor and it’s that they take this supplement before breakfast, and then you take this one with breakfast and then there’s one afterwards and before the binder. 

Oh my goodness, right? It’s a great plan, but people get stressed. So what I found is how about we just add in one thing, maybe it’s one supplement, maybe it’s get in the spa, we take away one thing, gluten, dairy, whatever it is for that person. And that changes their trajectory. Then a week later we talk again, we do another session, where are you at? We can add in one more thing and take away one more thing. And that way, instead of being stressed, they’re on a whole new trajectory and they’re getting better. One of the reasons I love the spa, I got my spa in 2015, and I spoke with you on the phone, you were so sweet. You took time and explained to me about the infrared frequencies and how to get the little ozone unit. And I liked it so much, I got one for both of my sons and some of my friends, but one of the things I liked the best about the spa is all the client. All the person does is sit in the spa, all they have to do because you took the time. You turned the personal tragedy and all the learning you did into a legacy for the rest of us to have. 

So all we do is flop ourselves in the spa and all these different infrareds and near infrared and far infrared and stones and oxygen. It does it’s thing. And then we get out and take a cool shower and we’re good to go. When I get in my spa, I do about a one minute meditation. I could share that with you, if you want for the people kind of an intention, a meditation. So when I get into my third such spa, first thing I do is take a deep breath in and then I let it go slowly, very slowly. I close my eyes and I’ll say, I am so grateful to have this marvelous spa. And I’m proud of myself for taking this time to heal. I invite in and accept and enjoy these infrared frequency. And I asked my body to release pathogens, metals, toxins, anything that no longer serves me and for these toxins to go to the binders and be evacuated fully and easily with grace. I invite the oxygen to come in through my pores and oxygenate my blood. Thank you. Thank you. So one minute.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Totally cool. For the people that just joined us, that what you said, Cathy, I thought was really intriguing and super simple. We all have a lists, right? We’ve got a laundry list. We have a list to go to the shopping mall or to go to the food store. So now we’re talking about that emotional list or your health list. So you got the pro list things that are good for you or things you want to have bring into your life. And then you’ve got this sort of negative lists, which is some things that you, may be some habits that you have or some stuff that isn’t so good for you. And you can create those columns, those two lists, right? And I just love the idea of adding a good one in and taking away a negative one because it’s not just the positive effect of what the good one will be, but you also get the positive effect of taking the negative one away. And so it’s I don’t know, I guess it was racing it wouldn’t be horse racing. It wouldn’t be a tri-factor would be whatever they do when you come in second or something, something like that. Well, regardless, it’s very interesting because just that dynamic alone, and also what you said where feel is really instrumental is that the trajectory. If you just alter your habits and change by only 1% and you run that should trajectory over five years, eight years, 10 years, years.

Cathy Bliss

Yeah.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

That 1% makes a huge difference in the longevity and health and wellness plan. And so I absolutely love that and I’m a student of that myself and things that I do. And so I super appreciate that and I love the fact that you shared that with us.

Cathy Bliss

And that really helps people to nurture themselves, instead of getting beating up, “Oh my God, I didn’t do everything on my list.” Just focus on one good thing and letting go of one thing. And knowing that that’s making a huge difference. I had come up with a camel analogy. I’ll share with the people. I find that when you can see something, when I paint a picture, you’ll get this. Okay, so we’ve all heard the straw that broke the camel’s back. We all know that. So as scientists, they’re gonna look at that straw, that last straw and what’s the genetics of that straw? Can we make an antidote? An antibiotic for that straw? Well, that’s interesting and maybe useful, but functional doctors and holistic doctors were down there on that poor camel going, oh I could take a handful of straw over here and I could take a handful from here and another handful and we’re removing a bunch of straw and all of a sudden camel shakes, and he stands back up. He’s not all empty he still got straw on him, but he is now functional. He’s healthy. 

He’s moved from entropy into synergy. So moving from illness into health. So when people can visualize, you’re saying, you know what things can we do visualize that you only need to change one thing at a time and take handfuls away. Like the spa that does so much for us, that will make the big difference in relieving the stress. ‘Cause you know they say Hans Selye, he was a doctor back in 1907. He was born, he was recently passed away and Hans Selye said, “Stress underlies all disease.” He looked at different patients and they had different illnesses. Some were mold and some were Lyme, back then who knows what they were. But they all looked sick. So this is a doctor they all looked sick and that’s when he realized that stress underlies all disease. 

And I’m a stress reduction specialist. I’m like, okay, but stress is pretty amorphous. What the heck do you do with stress underlies all disease? That’s why when I learned about this biofeedback technology, where we can literally see the spine and see the digestion and see the emotions to know where to start. So, but even at home, just knowing that stress underlies all disease, you can do little, HeartMath. I love HeartMath. It’s free, go online and learn HeartMath. Breathe, breathing is good. Learning to just take a deep breath in and letting it go slowly. If someone takes three deep breaths in and letting it go much slower, you literally go from fight and flight into then make a decision what to do. And we also wanna remember to pat ourselves on the back. I don’t know about you, I beat myself up, it’s kinda hard walking around in your own head. So being good to yourself and so one of the things when I get in the spa and I’m inviting in the different frequencies, I am proud of myself for taking the time that’s important. And then I watch videos while I’m in the spa.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Cool. You just touched on a point that I have been doing for many years, that when you bring up the word visualization, the words that we choose and the way we visualize is the way that we manifest the way we see the world. So when you’re chronic and when you have a chronic ailment you have Lyme disease, you’re flat on your back, you don’t feel good. The picture that you have in your mind of yourself, isn’t a very strong picture. It’s maybe weakness and it contributes to your behavioral emotional fabric in a way. What I do is I just take a picture of when I was happy or when I was enjoying something, when I was on a vacation, I post that picture. Just recently, I’ve shifted my diet and I’ve done a bunch of different things. And I wanted to get a little more youthful looking and I wanted to get that washboard abs and all that you know. Which I don’t have and probably will never have, but I’m working on it like a work in progress, right? So I took a picture of just the torso, neck down to the belly button of some washed foot board abs. And I have that next to my area where I have a little bike and have a couple of weights. 

And I just focused on that picture. And then I visualize what Robby would be like with abs like that. like I’ve noticed just the other day that just some of that stuff is starting to come out now. And again, it just reinforces my own behaviors and positive thinking and positive direction for my life and what I want from rest of what you invite into your life. So visualization, particularly someone with Lyme disease, someone with a chronic element, visualizing is really important and it’s a very hard thing to do when you’re not feeling great. So you might need some help to do that. And I just mentioned a trick, a little trick. I just took a picture of it and I just put it there because when you’re not feeling good, it’s hard to see yourself in another way. But when you have a picture right in front of you, when you are happy on a vacation and feeling good or had a good facial color, or went out on a date and felt just like you’re on top of the world, the more you can invite that kind of thinking into your world, the better, the quicker you get back on track to it to being more like that. 

And other things you mentioned like the guided meditation, saying the prayer is when you honor yourself and the time that you put out, rather than beating yourself up, it’s really easy to beat yourself up, especially when you’re not feeling good. And you just dwell on that, it keeps digging deeper into that rabbit hole. Well, how do you reverse that? You do a few things that make you feel good. And I call that in my terms, I call that the love lane. I like to try to stay in the love lane as much as I can throughout my day, throughout my week. And again, it’s hard to do that for people just viewing, Robby what are you talking about? I’m sick and I’m not thinking about like feeling good I’m not feeling so good. So it’s really hard to turn that around. Do you have any kind of tricks or tips or things that you might recommend to help somebody kind of get inspired or get out of their own head in a way to get sort of on track like that from an emotional point of view?

Cathy Bliss

Absolutely agree with you, the visualization, putting up a picture of yourself being healthy of yourself when you were happy, if you can even doing, like as an ice skater, we practiced our programs in our head. They said people that practice, athletes that practice in their head do almost as well as ones that were actually out there. Comedy, I know, if you’re not feeling well, you got the boob tube on and that’s okay. But if you’re watching the news or some of these dramas that are adrenal, they just wipe out your adrenals. Instead, watch, we just started looking at “The Big Bang Theory.” Too It’s frigging hysterical, I just love that thing. And I noticed that I laughed out loud, uh huh, laughing, because laughing produces oxytocin and all the good chemicals in your body. 

So laughter watch comedy, listen to comedy and then you note it when you start to feel a little, just get up, and I like cross crawl. So it’s right hand to left knee, left hand to right knee. Just as if you were crawling, it realigns your brain. We use that a lot for ADHD, but it’s also great for healing because if you’ve got your brain aligned, so comedy is great. So many things that we can do, heart map, I can share with you years ago at the unity center we were studying and teaching heart map. And I was the one leading the meditation and a friend of mine did an MP3 and recorded some of them they’re like eight to 10 minutes long. 

And what she told me is she listens to this every day, to one of them because she likes the guided meditation for people that don’t like the quiet meditation. And I can, I’ll email you a link or however we do that and they can try that it absolutely calms the body and with HeartMath, you’re breathing into the heart and out through the heart. So it gets your body into bliss and into compassion. And so much of the time with a complex illness, we’re so focused on ourselves that to breath in bliss, to breathe in joy, and then you send it out to someone you love or you send it out to the world. It also makes you feel like you’re doing something and HeartMath is amazing, free, easy. And I’ll give you a couple of meditations that people can try.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Yeah, HeartMath is great. You’ve got anybody that’s just tuning in. You can Google it, get on it. They offer an amazing amount of free information. They almost have kind of an organized university in a small sense. Lots of videos, things on YouTube. I’ve read their book, the initial book that they came out with and I keep that in a special place where I’m constantly reflecting on it. And I think that it’s a great starting point for people. If you’ve got time to look, take a look at it, and it does talk about the connection between your heart, your brain and most of your body, everybody out there seems to feel, that the brain is the center of the universe. But what we’re discovering in science now is that actually it comes from the heart.

Cathy Bliss

Exactly.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

And the heart before the brain does and actually gives information to the brain. So that connection, that heart-brain connection is so important. And whether you’re feeling bad or you’re feeling good, it’s still something to be cognizant of, to try to support in any way you can in a healthy way. So now earlier you talked about a device that actually helps you pinpoint where your stresses is. I mean, when I work out and I’m doing my abs, I certainly not that’s my, that was on my abs, right? Just checking, I wanna make sure you’re paying attention. So when I’m doing arms one day, I know ’cause my arm is sore, right? That I have a challenge there. So that’s easy to pinpoint, but with emotionally healing and emotional stress, how do you, what kind of device? So tell me how that part works. That you can actually pinpoint where the stress is.

Cathy Bliss

So with this biofeedback device, we send frequencies into the body, like an x-ray sends frequencies it doesn’t hurt, you don’t feel it, but you get the picture. Same you usually don’t feel this, but we send frequencies and your body reacts. I like Vitamin C. I don’t really like this. Well that’s an allergen. So looking at the stress response, what we’re looking for is, what’s the biggest stress response? There’s so many of them, but what’s acute and what’s chronic. ‘Cause once we can say that we can come up with a plan to reduce what’s most acute, like we said, with the camel, if we can take away handfuls of straw, a lot of times the camel gets better. 

So like I might be working on a client one day and I’m doing digestion, sending back frequencies for digestion and spine. And then I get a call the next day. “Oh my gosh, I’m not depressed today. my emotions are.” Didn’t work on emotions, but we relieved stress somewhere else. So working on what we can work on is great. Dr. Igor Novak Djokovic, I hope I said that right. The number one tennis player in the world, his doctor is Dr. Igor and Dr. Igor said at one of our European conferences that we like to talk about frequencies and resonance and capacitate, we get into all the big words from bond to mechanics, and the audiences totally glazed over. So this is his analogy. So picture yourself as an orchestra. 

So here’s the conductor and all the cells and organs in the body are like all the pieces in the orchestra. And they played this beautiful melody and the conductor’s doing his job. Then one day, something’s a little off, it’s a little out of tune. Someone didn’t practice, someones a little stressed. Well, our device is like another musician, so it can hear the melody and it can hear what’s off and then send back the frequency, the melody, just to remind us, ’cause we know that melody, kind of like a little nursery rhyme you learned when you were little, you know it but you haven’t heard it in a long time, so we send back that melody and the body’s like, oh yeah, I got it, I know that. So that’s an easy way to picture what it is we do. And in that way we can help clients to come up with one thing to add in and one to release and then we can also help to see what’s underlying it and we can send programs to help the body get back to its original homeostasis.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

That’s really, really super interesting what my download from listening to you, takes me to this place that is sort of like muscle memory.

Cathy Bliss

Yes.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

The body has a innate ability to heal naturally. But I think what happens when you get into a chronic state, any kind of challenge that’s last lasted for more than a year or so, is that your brain, your body, your heart realigns, creates the new you because it can’t fix itself. So now it’s kind of redefining what the new you is with that chronic challenge. Not really forgetting the way you used to be, but it can’t fix it. So then it just has to say, well, this is the cards that I’ve been dealt today or I’m working with now. So I’ll make the best playing hand that I can. Now, oftentimes when I’m teaching, I think of it in terms of GPS, like someone turned the GPS guidance system off inside your body. And so where things in a systematic basis were connected and speaking the language and communicating. And so that in a healthy state, when you turn off those light switches, all of a sudden, the dots aren’t connecting. 

And then that allows for us to be vulnerable for pathogens to come in or can suppress your immune system and create that cascade of ill health or disease, right? So having a technique like you’re talking about, having a device that can pinpoint, having a vehicle like you talk about that can just put out and say, okay, well here’s this very healthy frequency. One of them that I use every day is the earth frequency, the Schumann frequency and the frequency that resonate from the earth that are great for remedying when the body stores electromagnetic fields, any of these exogenous manmade frequencies that are another stressors on us, I like just kicking my shoes off and touching, hugging a oak tree or a palm tree, or walking on the sand, just bringing that earth charge into my body. Something as simple as that, so.

Cathy Bliss

Absolutely, muscle memory is everything. That’s exactly what we do with the frequencies. And then grounding. I’ll take my little dogies for a walk and I take my shoes off and I just walk barefoot in the grass. I live in California, sorry for all of you in the cold weather, but sunshine on my body makes me smile. And my feet in the grass breathing, while you’re grounded. So even if you’re not feeling well, you don’t have to go run the marathon or do the hit training or beat yourself up because you didn’t do the high intensity training, walk on the grass or the beach whatever’s near you. And if you can’t even walk right now, get a little bit of dirt because the house doesn’t really cut it, but get a little bit of dirt in a container, put your feet in that, that will ground you. So there are things that we can do that make us better every day.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Wow, that’s amazing, I love that. Earlier, you were talking about the testing part and that people may know of what’s called muscle testing or kinesiology. These are also ways when you bring things to your body, that you can actually do this yourself to test to see if you test strong or weak is the terminology. And so if you bring a supplement or you bring a particular material to you and you hold it in your field, you hold it close to your body or your heart. And then you just test how strong you can lift your arm up, but there’s different methods for muscle testing, but it is a way to tap into your autonomic nervous system. And that doesn’t really lie. It’s like our built-in lie detector. And your body will tell you if it loves something or if it doesn’t love something. And this is something that all of us can do, practice, it’s way fun to do. And oftentimes when I’m together socially with people, I will show them little techniques or just say, “Well, what do you think that supplement,” or not, well, usually it’s like food additives or food substitutes. “So do you think that food substitute is good for you? Let’s just see how, if your body likes that or not.” And I’ll just say, “Hold that to your heart and let me just see how strong you are, how weak you are.” And it’s amazing how quickly you can learn how to do that, and then just test it for yourself so I love that, that advice that you’re offering people tuning in.

Cathy Bliss

I totally agree with you. When my son who you’ve had on here, James, when he was young, he started having this strange thing where he would chew food and then he couldn’t swallow it. And that went on for a few days and you’d have to go spit it out. And now it was almost ready to say swallow the darn food. And then it hit me, it’s not good for him. And this was before I knew biofeedback back in the day. And I found a doctor, a good holistic doctor, and we did some testing and we found out that he was allergic to certain foods. And so we put him on an elimination diet and he got better, immediately he got better. Well then how do you add foods back in? And he was a kind of willful six, seven year old boy. So I learned kinesiology and I showed him. So we would go to the supermarket. 

So we’re going around the supermarket and it’s too hard to know what natural flavors are. So what I did was if he wanted something, he would take it off of the shelf and we would muscle test him. And that way he was participating, he was digging it. We were stressed detectives. So if the arm stayed up, we could put that in the basket. And if the arm went down he was tappy to not eat that. So if you have someone you can work with, that’s a lot easier, but yeah, there’s ways you can do it yourself. I find sometimes at the store, I’ll just put the can of whatever I’m wanting to try on the basket and then I’ll say, if this is good for me I’ll lean forward. And if this is bad for me, I lean back ’cause it’s not quite so obvious, people don’t think you’re quite so cozy. And if I leans forward it goes in the basket. So definitely fun to learn and play with it. And if you’re not comfortable doing it yourself, invite someone in because with the arm it’s easy to do.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Okay, cool. Earlier you talked about like the straw that breaks the camel back. And so interesting phrase that probably all of us have grown up with in the more modern reference they call it like a tipping point. Just something that just shifted that tipped you over and for the Lyme patient it’s interesting because we have Lyme patients that might have come in contact with Lyme disease early in their age, but they don’t really become symptomatic for 10 years, 20 years, why then? These are the big questions. Why me? Why them? And we’re all searching for that one thing, thinking well if we just kind of fix that little last straw that tipped me over, I’ll be fine, but it doesn’t work that way with the body actually. In the detox discussion, I call it climbing the toxic mountain. You do that kind of one step at a time, right? And then coming down the mountain, the healthy way to do it would be coming down in one step. 

It’s hard to fall when you’re climbing up. It’s hard to fall on your face, but when you’re coming down and if you do that too fast, you can fall pretty easy. So that I believe the healthy ways to kind of come down slow and steady, but when you accumulate toxins as many Lyme patients do, and that’s why they’re symptomatic, it’s really over an enormous amount of time that they accumulate these toxins. Now back gets dialed up a lot more these days because we’ve got glyphosate in our environment we’ve got household chemicals, there’s like 60 or 70 in the average household that people become in contact with every day. Mold is a challenge around the world, now particularly in the coastal cities. So there’s lots of other contributing toxic events that are going on that are all, any one of them could be a tipping point. 

And so it isn’t just one thing anymore, it becomes a cascade or a family of things. And that’s kind of why I like talking on this topic with you today, because I think emotional healing, behavioral adjustments, are often misunderstood and not really part of the toolbox of things that doctors think about when they’re trying to fix you, looking for the root cause, giving you supplementation. Well, what about what’s going on upstairs and how you feel about your position, where you are right now, where you came from and where you want to be. And I think that in order for you to really heal completely, you have to really address all of those issues, again why I feel it’s so important that we’re talking today. So thank you so much for your contribution.

Cathy Bliss

I remember some years ago I was at one of the conventions ANMA or one of them, where I was demonstrating and teaching the biofeedback equipment. And that’s when I first saw one of these, not your spa but one of these spot portable spas, where your head stays out. I’m like, okay, I like the idea of the frequencies coming in and that’s gonna help detox, but I just felt awful getting anywhere near that booth the EMFs, I didn’t even know for true at the time it was just felt awful. So when I came home though I was intrigued and that’s how I Googled and studied it and I found that there are sides where the infrared can help to detox whatever, whether it’s a pathogen or it’s an environmental heavy metals, but it doesn’t overwhelm you with EMFs. And to me that’s so important. Like Dr Klinghardt will say, we all get so into what’s inside the body, but there’s more outside the body. So that’s one of the reasons that I really like the spa is it does so much for you without the EMFs.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Well, we’re running out of time and we’ve had so much fun today. Have one thing I wanna ask you, you have a special little saying or a phrase up until now. And it caught my eye because it leaves a big door and window opened thinking and hoping for the future. And I think that, that is an important message that people need to understand. Like you’ve had this journey, maybe a great childhood or a troubled childhood, whatever. Then you’ve got this middle of the life if that’s whatever phase you’re at. But it is just chapters. So up until now, I’ve done all this stuff. But it suggests just in that saying about how much there is more to do, like what we have to look forward to. So can you expand on that a little bit? I need to know what your take is on it. It caught my eye when you said it a few times when we were together, and then I saw it again in something that you wrote. And I think that it’s a message that people need to know.

Cathy Bliss

Yes, we could get so caught up in self-talk. And this is easy, memorize this. Up until now, whatever the past story was, I don’t focus on that. And now, so the next part is, and now, and then an affirmation or just one priority, whatever it is that your working on right now. So up until now, I had some issues and now I’m going to and now I am and now, so that will help take you from where you are to the new trajectory of where you need to be.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Cool, so we go back to our laundry list, up until now I used to eat a whole lot of bread every single day, but now that I’m on a ketogenic diet, I don’t really eat bread at all and I don’t really miss it. And I have shifted completely. I can’t believe how much different I feel just by getting rid of one thing and adding some really good things. You’ve rock it today. Cathy Bliss, Thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate you taking the time out And sharing your wisdom with all of us tuning in and your contribution and all of the things that you do. How can people get ahold of you? Do you have a website? Do you have a 800 number? Is there a link somewhere? If somebody wants to reach out to you to get some coaching and contact you for services, what’s the best way?

Cathy Bliss

So I’m working at a website by the time this airs, cathybliss.com will be up, right now if you’re on Facebook, I have advanced biofield medicine, advanced biofield medicine. And it’s cool ’cause I have somebody who came to me in one of those booths at one of these conventions. And he said, “Can I do a FaceTime Live,” I’m, news to me. So he did a FaceTime Live and you can actually see me talking with him. And you were saying, the stress in your arm, Well, he had just gone . So we showed stress in his stomach and he had just done crazy amount of squats and it showed stress in those muscles. So it’s a lot of fun because it’s somebody just going, “Wow, that’s really cool, look, this is happening. So that’s on my Facebook page, called advanced biofield medicine. And then cathybliss.com.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Cathy is spelled C-A-T-H-Y.

Cathy Bliss

Yes

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right, Bliss. Just like it sounds B-L-I-S-S.

Cathy Bliss

Yes, exactly.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Awesome Cathy, Well, again, it’s holiday season. Thank you so much for taking the time out. We appreciate you and everything you’re doing. You got to check this woman out, she’s onto something, and the stuff that she’s doing is easy, in my own experience, as much as I love supplementation and other ways to help support my health, the emotional component is something that I’ve been really working on. And I’ve noticed that when I do my affirmations, when I asked for forgiveness, when I set my intentions for the day, which I do every day, when I look at the world through a lens of what I’m grateful for, I start off like with a fresh page, no matter what has happened to me yesterday, the night before any of that stuff, it just seems to fade away into the background. And what I look forward to is just a brighter better world. And I think that what you do in the skillset that you bring and the inspiration you bring to the people listening is super important and will create a new day for all of us. So thanks again, Cathy, for joining us.

Cathy Bliss

Thank you so much, my friend.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey everybody, it’s Robby Besner. Thanks so much for joining us today. Please share this content with anyone that you think might benefit from it, and we’re looking forward to having you with us tomorrow for another great interview.