The History, Present And Future Of Bioenergetics

Harry Massey

Thank you, Greg. Well, I can’t wait for this ’cause it’s all of the history and yeah, sort of all the intricacies of where the body field came from, which is pretty fun.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

It is, you know, the whole component of the biofield and where we are going with medicine, you have been really at the forefront of discussions and even creating NES on the biofield, you know, as a Chinese medicine practitioner, we learn on the meridians and qi and energy, but it’s much bigger than that, isn’t?

Harry Massey

It is, I mean, yeah, I mean, to give it the historical context, obviously you just mentioned Chinese medicine, you probably know the name of the book. Was it called the “Emperors Yellow Book” or something like that?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Oh yeah, the Huang Di Neijing. I just butchered that thing, but yes.

Harry Massey

There you go. There you go. I mean, that was in 5,000 years ago. So, you know, I mean, energy medicine goes back a long, long, long way and obviously, you know, then they were basically, you know, doing the really early maps of all the brilliant systems. And if I have this right, they were basically, you know, putting little bamboo sticks and then they were noticing where pain would refer and, you know, I think that was the start of it. And then obviously they started noticing the effects on organ systems and they started using it to, you know, to balance out the energy, the organ systems and over time, well, this is 5,000 years ago, they mapped out the original meridian system. So yeah, that was the start of it. Independently, but related, just across the border in India, we also had the whole Ayurvedic system. 

They took it in a slightly different directions where they had the nadis, and the nadi points, they don’t actually quite correspond to the acupuncture points, but it’s another sort of energy system. And then they also have like the chakra system as well. Different parallels, I guess in Japan, they had Reiki. In Europe, it’s not so old, actually. And that basically and then they had homeopathy that started with Hahnemann like 220 years ago, I think it was, and that’s, you know, a different form of energy medicine, but it’s really a form of information medicine because they were basically recording the information, a very dilute substances in a substrate, basically in lactose pills. Now say, you know, 100, 150 years ago in Europe and the States, they were calling it, at the time, like, subtle energy or the ether. 

Like, the ether was a very popular term. And then in came big oil, bing, bing, bing. Big oil, basically, you know, you have Rockefeller, which was known as the sort of oil or like the rubber balance. And, you know, they wanted to turn, well, they were looking for markets for oil, honestly. Burning it as fuel was one market, but the other market, that’s how Rockefeller realized is that oil could be used to make chemicals, and you see, chemicals with plastics, all of these types things, but they were also thinking, oh, we could make drugs out of it. And so he set up like the first… Actually, Rockefeller set up the AMA, which is a medical association that still exists. In the States, they set up the first university systems, and when they did that, he went after all ideas of subtle energy, ether, radionics, homeopathy, Chinese medicine unit, any ideas that would compete with the chemical system, well, honestly they just crushed. And they crushed it extremely effectively where it then became, you know, underground. 

And I think, you know, the other thing about the energy side, I think it’s just a very practical thing. It’s like, you know, from a scientific point of view, you can see a chemical and you can’t see a field. And you know, you had the great right, so as Burgie was getting going, and you had the rise of the mic. When was the microscope invented at? I think that was a few 100 years ago, but obviously they got better and better. And then the electron microscope, I think that was made in the ’70s. And I mean, all those things, you could see the chemicals, you could see their effect, you know, their effects in cells, you could see DNA, et cetera. So we just went down this whole, very biochemical, Newtonian mechanical understanding of biology and the idea of physics. Well, there was a huge profit motive to get rid of it, but also it was hard to see. 

I mean, because you can’t really see fields, I mean, you can detect them with other devices. And then the bit that’s a bit more far out is the quantum point of view and, you know, Feynman came up with it, you know, the QED field or the quantum electrodynamic field. And basically, you know, from a quantum point of views, actually this is an Einstein quote, but the sole governing force of this… Sorry, the field is the sole governing force, the particle, which is basically just saying, you know, the field keeps the particle in place, but this field, this quantum electrodynamic field, there isn’t actually any direct way of measuring it. And the reason there’s no direct way measuring it is because simply because of the rules of quantum, it’s actually connected to consciousness, it’s connected to intention. 

And you can only, you know, that’s kind of the double-slit split experiment, or this idea where you observe where the electron is, that’s actually where it appears, you know, if you’re looking at it over here, it’s here. If you look at it over here, it’s here. And that’s horrible. I mean, I say that’s horrible, but you simply… So there is no direct way of measuring a QED field. There is no way, direct way of measuring information. There’s just ways of seeing its effects, you know, and that’s where we get into the principles of like resonance. And that’s why, you know, sometimes people hate or love… Like people into quantum love what we’re doing, but like with our scan, but it’s an indirect way. And it’s because of that, it’s a relative system. It’s not like you can tell, oh, you’ve got this much of a, you know, a chemical in your blood, is just saying, you know, relatively today, this is what’s coming up. So anyway, that’s a little bit of sort of historical background on that.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

That was an awesome timeline in a basically four-minute phase. So I super appreciate that because, you know, there are so many different rabbit holes, or let’s say, black holes that we could get into on that discussion, but that is the lineage. And then, you know, we come up into what? The ’90s with your interface and with Peter Frazier and bringing in different ways of measuring, actually. You know, that is the thing with the bioenergetics is, and when you start talking about physics and quantum physics, it’s, you cannot put your fingers on it, you can’t. Now, some people, and I’m sure some of our viewers can register it, can sense it, people, you know, Reiki healers, et cetera. There are, you know, on those subtle energy bodies, there are different appreciations of each of us of those. And then we come up into kind of a Vega machine, you know, we’re always trying to measure the field, right? Like that’s a component of what we’re talking about.

Harry Massey

Yeah, and that basically, I mean, you know, the Vega came, it really came out of the field of radionics and pendulums and muscle testing. So again, you know, if we go back to the subtle energy, ether era, you know, it’s 120 years ago now, people were using pendulums to like, to ask questions, they’re using radionic devices. And they were literally just rubbing their fingers over a bit of plastic against samples, but where there was extra frictions, it’s very similar to must testing really. You know, they would get a resonance. 

And in Germany, I think it was in the… It came popped in the ’70s, ’80s, isn’t it? And it basically, the Vega machine came out of Germany and they started making all of these little vials of different samples. So they would put all these different herbs, tissues, viruses, whatever they wanted, into a little vial. They would have a machine where you would basically have a like little acupuncture point. And there was this sort of… They think it was an electron effect. It was actually a photon effect. And the reason I say that’s a real curiosity, but if you try and do it outside, it doesn’t work because the photon doesn’t reflect off a ceiling. It’s really weird.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Oh, interesting.

Harry Massey

It doesn’t work on a dark day. It doesn’t work on a dark day. You need a lot of light, really odd, little subtleties with it. But anyway, that machine came pretty popular. Peter, who’s the founder of NES, co-founder of NES, I was the other founder, I forget that. No, anyway, he bought a Vega machine and to give it some history, he, before all of this, he was the first person to set up an acupuncture college in the first acupuncture association Australia. And he used to go to China, study under the Chinese masters and bring that information back and write it in English and westernize it. And then that, he was one of the first people to basically put together like a real curriculum. And that actually he got a license to acupuncture colleges in the States, Europe, elsewhere too. So he sort of pioneered… Hang on, he didn’t really pioneer Chinese medicine, but he pioneered it in the West before the NES period, another 25 years later. 

And, you know, and then he bought Vega and then he basically started doing experiments, just sort of to see like how much of the Chinese system, you know, was accurate or if he could further it. And the long story short is, he basically furthered out. You know, if you say like the meridian map was like the original map, he basically went a whole bunch deeper, deeper than that to see all of the, you know, the deeper correlations in like viral theory, like genetics, et cetera, et cetera. So, you know, it sounds pretty interesting and a little bit of his history, so once he’d been at Melbourne University for five years, became part of the university, but the other professors just wanted to, like, they hated the idea of qi, et cetera, cetera. So he just quit, left under sort of pressure from the other professors, just went into private research for the next 25-plus years, and there was another 10 with us, which makes it 35, but it’s 25 before you met it. And, you know, he had a few different phases in that period. 

One, he ended up, well, he was actually ended up with chronic fatigue syndrome for 10 years and managed to heal himself from there. After that, he started to work with a whole bunch of different people where there was a physicist from Paris, the head of the, you know, it was the head of the oncology hospital in London. I think it was, was it Kings? I can’t remember the name of the hospital in London. But it doesn’t matter. And then, and there was another scientist in Australia and they made a cancer diagnostic machine based on his mapping. And he basically managed to map like these 12 phases of cancer from, you know, you basically don’t have it all the way to stage three. And in different parts of the body. And he was able to tell with actually, 97% accuracy what stage cancer you had and where it was. So that was great. And that’s what that group of sort of scientists were doing. 

Unfortunately, you know, Peter was brought into that. He wasn’t the originator to that company. That machine was sold to Johnson & Johnson, 50 million. Peter didn’t get any of that. And you know, whatever. So then he basically just gave up about five, I think it’s five years before I met him, moved to middle of Queensland with a madman, as we do. And you know, I’m not gonna repeat my story ’cause I think I’ve said it in our interviews. But at the point that we… Basically, at the point that we connected, he’d basically completely given up, but you know, we just contacted him saying, you know, “What if we could make a…” Yeah, you know, well, actually at the time I wanted to make home wellness system and I sort of had an idea of how we could do it, but I didn’t know how to get anyone better. But I had a sense that this guy from Australia did and you know, obviously, that we hooked up and started making it and-

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Wow, the rest is history on the NES front, that component of, you know, his background was such… So how did you get him going again? Like, sounds like you kinda caught him and you at a crossroad.

Harry Massey

You know what I said to him? I just said… So he sent me an email and said, “I woke up this morning and my partner had a machete and he cut off all the geese’s head at four in the morning ’cause the geese was screeching and he didn’t wanna be woken up, so the guy got up and cut all of the geese head up.” So I just wrote back, I said, “Well,” I said, “You can move to England and become a millionaire genius or you can stay in a tin shed in Queensland and maybe your head will get chopped off by the madman you’re living with.” So have a guess what he did.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

He moved.

Harry Massey

He moved, he moved.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Yes.

Harry Massey

And he actually did it in complete secrecy. He took a business trip over to UK. He prearranged, had all these boxes sent over to England for months, of all the stuff he cared about, and then he just did a business trip to UK and he never went back.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Never looked back, huh.

Harry Massey

Never looked back, you know, and he just obviously just hoped the house and all that would work, yeah. He’s one of the most… You know, most Swiss would never do that ’cause he, you know, he half-owned that house and everything. So he could just detach from anything, you know, financial, anything like that, to go onto a new path. Like, it’s pretty rare skill actually to be .

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

It really is, yeah. To have roots like that. So where to next in this discussion of the, you know, history of bioenergetics and the mapping of the human body field? So we’re up into the human body field discussion here.

Harry Massey

Yeah, so a few sort of very interesting things happened. So when I first met Peter, like in person, not in email, you know, he was explaining all these ideas and he was going on about structures in space and how there were these really efficient ways for information and energy to travel through the body. And basically in these, what he would call ’em structures in space. But basically, you have maximum efficiency. So energy pretty much takes like… Sorry, information pretty much takes zero energy, you know, to transmit from one part of the body, to the other part of the body. But say again, it’s broader than the normal meridian system. 

And so I was like, “Well, Peter, have you measured it?” And he was like, “No.” I was like, “Well, why don’t you measure it? You know, why don’t you measure it? Like, can you make a, we now call them Infoceuticals, but you know, can we make a remedy or, you know, work out what that set of information is?” And he’s like, “Well, probably.” And you know, he did it in quite a simple way, but basically, you know, he basically just assumed that a zero… So maybe a little bit complicated swing, but basically, he assumed that a zero as the sort of, you know, well, it was the equivalent of zero energy. And then he worked out the information sets for these zero energy pathways and body. And those became what we now call the 12 energetic integrators. 

And when we first took them, you know, I took one, this boil came off like right here actually where I had an MMR vaccine, you know, I rocked it out, so I was like, “Fck” like, that’s a bit weird. And then actually, and then there was the one that sort of correlated to the colon meridians. Like, I kid you not, like my feces became really green and all this slaky stuff came out and like really ridiculously strong detox. And based on that, they were actually too strong. They were actually too strong for patients and human consumption, but you’ll see in that moment we’re like, “Oh, you know, we’re really on to something-“

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

On to something, sure.

Harry Massey

So we actually, I don’t know if I like the word detuned, but just say we made them more palatable for human consumption by tagging them to different organs and meridians. So it’s, you know, in that form, it was just too much of a correction. Like it’s too much from here to here, it’s too fast. But by tagging and adding in all of the other organs within that system, it basically smooths it out. ‘Cause like, if you imagine, you know, energy when it’s so focused, has too much power, but you know, you can spread it out so there’s a sort of a safer level and it’s some, you know, a nicer healing

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

That makes sense, yeah.

Harry Massey

I was the lab rat.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

You were the guinea pig, yeah.

Harry Massey

I was the guinea pig literally. Yeah, so that was the start of it. And much later on, there was 12 in that system, actually was probably seven, eight years later, we extended it up because also within that zero energy sort of system, you know, there’s different forms of energy from phonons, which is basically like a sound particle, it’s really electromagnetic system up to light. But in light you’ve got visible light, but it also goes beyond up in, you know, up into ultraviolet, even gamma, x-rays, et cetera. Well, again, actually I think it was in the second or third year, we did make the, you know, what I call, well, they’re integrated 13, 14, 15, 16, and those work in like the ultraviolet and above ranges. But again, they were ridiculously strong and very, very psychic. 

So like you would take them, you know, I was sitting there with a coder in the early years and you know, he was writing code and I would see the code he was just about to write about 15 seconds before he would screen and you know, everything, like, you know everything that’s gonna happen, like every moment of it, but you know, it feels a little bit mad like that state. So again, anyway, we smoothed that out. We didn’t actually release it, but it does have all these really beneficial effects on oh, for you for like, not for you specifically, but your niche, but like, you know, with like Parkinson’s and major nervous system and major brain degeneration things. And so anyway, we didn’t actually release them until about four year .

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

You can release them to me .

Harry Massey

Yeah, we can release them, we can release them.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

That’s awesome.

Harry Massey

So that was fun. And then really this sort of next sort of question that came up, you know, I was like, “Well, Peter, like, there’s this energy system, you know, in the body, but like, what’s…” You know, I just remember asking, I was like, “Peter,” I was very annoying, inquisitive questioning person, but I like basically said like, “What’s driving the energy? Where’s this energy come from?” He’s like, “Well, you know, the heart, the heart, you know, the heart generates energy.” And, you know, it’s like, “Is that it?” And he’s like, “Well, the lungs,” you know, and then, and in the end, anyway, that ended up 16 energy drivers that we call ’em the energetic drivers.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Got it.

Harry Massey

They pretty much correspond or they do correspond to the organ system. And you know, some of them are obvious, like the heart produce a strong magnetic field, the nervous system, you know, produce alpha, delta waves. The lungs, slightly different, but basically all the meridians start… No, sorry, they start in the lungs on the breathing in and out-

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

That’s the beginning of the energetic cycle.

Harry Massey

Yeah, it’s the beginning of the energetic cycle.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Yeah, with the first breath.

Harry Massey

And the sound of the breath that’s actually driving phonons and energy through the meridians. And then, you know, if you look at any… Well, if you like… Well, I’ll just go to the cell, like, you know, a cell is generating a field just in it’s like, its… Well, actually it’s really the different stream, like the structured water on the inside. And then you’ve got like a hydrophilic where you’ve basically got a fat layer around the structured water and that creates an electrical potential. So you’ve got a field there and then you’ve got, you know, trillions of cells together in an organ that you know, that sort of generate .

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Another field, right. I mean, it’s like field upon field and how the-

Harry Massey

It is, and like when people say, “Oh, what’s the body field?” It’s not a one thing and it’s not a one answer. You can look at it from the quantum electrodynamic view, just pure information, which is really what, you know, what we’re doing in the corrective point of view in Infoceuticals, but you can look at it from oh, it’s the heart’s producing a bang, that’s it. The field it’s producing sound. So it is the full spectrum of things. But, you know, ultimately within our NES world, we’re really talking about the QED aspect and just the pure information. And from a healing perspective, all we care about is, well, what’s the optimal blueprint or the optimal information that will get you better? But to work that out, you do have to get into the sort of the mechanics of how all these, all the systems really ends, like-

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

How they interrelate.

Harry Massey

Yeah, just how that works properly and you trace back through all that information. So yeah, that’s the drivers, that’s the drivers.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

That’s lovely and, you know, you can see, it can get very simple and then quickly get into complexity, right? Because of all of the connections and, I really like that about the system and what you guys have really, your inquisitive component with his development and putting this together is like, you’ve asked a lot of the questions, most of them, and have put into a workable system. So then where do you go from that? So you’ve got figured out what drives the energy, all of the different organ networks, working together, the immune system.

Harry Massey

You know, which really gets into this sort of you know, broad theory of like terrains versus virus. And actually, I don’t like the word versus, that’s the wrong word. But you know, in Western medicine generally especially right now, it’s like the virus is, you know, the virus is the enemy and we need to like kill it, suppress it, stop its replication, all of that. You know, the other theory is terrain theory that’s basically saying, look, if you’ve got a really healthy terrain, your body basically doesn’t manufacture, you know, bad viruses, all your protein replication mechanisms of, you know, are working properly or immune system works properly. No problem and you know, you get it a lot. I mean, I don’t know, you know, you get it a lot, like even in functional medicine, like they’ll send you for blood tests viruses and then go on a massive killing programs.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

The analogy of war or we’re battling something is so antiquated at this moment in time that I’m really saying like, put down the guns and really in that oneness or in the field discussion, it’s really in our innate intelligence, it’s our innate intelligence organizing itself. And sometimes that’s dysregulated because of multiple different issues, but-

Harry Massey

You create viruses, that’s the weird thing. You know, if you have a bad terrain, you literally will create, you will create your own viruses.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

It allows them, yeah, it allows it to be there. In Chinese medicine there’s this concept of Gu, the Gu syndrome. It’s like this toxic mess that happens in the body that stops the flow of energy and information. And well, what is that? There’s different things that I see that create that, you know, metals, toxicity, emotional traumas, I mean, you know, multifactorial as to how our biofield goes off, but this way of discussion is not, you know, like you said it, like the integrative docs doing the blood test and then going after the bug, it’s not about the bug. 

If we can just increase people’s vitality, like with the NES system and the remedies of bringing them back into wellness or whole, then it just, it pulls the whole system into wellness. And that’s the exciting part for me in this discussion is, it really, and pun intended, resonates with me in that, you know, the remedies are explicit to, this is where you wanna be vibrating and it reminds the intelligence to do that, right? Because sometimes, I call it, the conductor is playing the wrong tune and we just need to reeducate the conductor.

Harry Massey

It’s pretty interesting how it works. So, you know, so one of the… And actually this almost pretty much preceded NES and its the first Infoceutical ever took actually, that was the first, maybe it was second or third. But so Peter basically found the divergent meridians. Well, he basically used to stack up divergent meridians to make a sort of like a… I say a picture of the virus, but it’s sort of like the opposite picture, but basically the question or the experiment was which sets of divergent meridians combined together would basically correct the protein replication problem, you know, going on the virus? ‘Cause like the normal thing is, you know, virus affects the cell. It takes over it, replicates more of itself, you know, and spreads and just disrupts your whole system. And obviously what we want to do is sort of naturally stop that, you basically wanna retune the cell, so it’s not replicating viruses and you know, just gets your system back to normal. 

Anyway, so he basically found by stacking up these sets of divergent meridians and feeding the body that, you could correct all the protein replication and get yourself back to normal. And you know, and the other good thing about that was basically divergent meridians can communicate to DNA. So another way of looking at them is, well, you could look at them as like… They’re basically genetic correctors or another way of looking at them it’s like, well, they’re basically like super cellular correctors as well. 

So the terrains are, yeah, they’re a super, super powerful part of the body field theory. And we don’t generally give ’em to start with ’cause they’re so frigging strong. Like we normally give the… Actually we normally start with the drivers ’cause we wanna build people’s energy. Then we do the integrators that they see, you know, corrects the energy flow in the body. And as that gets more into balance, then we sort of go in with the… Or we call ’em energetic terrains, but you could also call ’em genetic correctors. We just didn’t want to use that terminology for natural reasons .

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Yeah, sure.

Harry Massey

So yeah, they’re pretty cool. Then in the body field, we get into what we call stars and they are mini fields. They’re really just collect but, they’re really just combinations of different drivers and integrates for different things. And it’s like we have a star of heavy metals, like a one called memory and printer that links like the heart and brain and helps the memory. We have a nerve star that’s like improves like nerve function, nerve detox, et cetera. So it is a lot stronger than our nerve driver. So if you like the stars, the stars are like more powerful combinations than the integrates and drivers when they’re used singularily .

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Got it. So the synergy, the synergistic effect in the star versus those single remedy.

Harry Massey

Yeah, and then we got into, I say into trouble, but then in the early days people asking us, “Well, what about the star of this one, what about the star?” You know, the answer actually is just trust the scan, like use the-

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Yeah, and I actually, I do appreciate that because you can get in, I mean, you could have thousands of different combinations for the individual and really it is on the scan.

Harry Massey

Yeah, but you don’t necessarily know like the perfect combination actually is better worked out by the scan than by, you know, ’cause otherwise you’re back in this medical label box, oh, you know, .

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Treating different-

Harry Massey

That disease, like, that’s exactly what you need was actually there’s, you know, how you get to a disease is, well, it’s really a… I mean, it’s a combination of your genes where your epigenetic history is in time due to those genes. And then, well, actually I could say it another way. I mean, it’s really due to the genes and then the whole history of your environment in time combining with those genes to get to where you are. And that isn’t the same. Like you can have the same medical label or condition, but how you got there can be, you know, different like-

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Entirely different, right, yeah.

Harry Massey

Then we have like, you know, the… So with the MiHealth, well, one of the things like in our, you know, in our NES world, well, one of the reasons I started NES is ’cause I wanted to help people at home with their health. So I wanted to make, you know, basically like a mobile device. And so that’s why we made the MiHealth, but it’s mainly really to directly help correct all the energy blockages in energy channels. And you know, what was great about MiHealth was we could actually combine, you know, multiple things at once. So like in the ER system, sorry, to say what that is, it’s the energetic rejuvenated system. Like we have, what do we have? I think we have 72 of those sorts of different parts of the body, but each one it contains the right integrator, the right driver. Like some of the integrators… I’m sorry, some of the ERs combine, you know, multiple meridians, like where, you know, some of the spots in your body will have three or four meridians going through them. 

So we can use all three or four. And then the other side, it came out of a Russian theory called global scaling, which is basically the different functions and organs of the body resonate to different flexes. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it will heal. But when you get a resonant frequency, it helps to put energy into that area. But if you combine that with the information, so that part of the body knows where to go, like it knows in what direction to heal, it becomes really, really powerful. So, you know, the whole, you know, I don’t wanna upset rife world and all that, but frequency alone isn’t some… I’d say it’s just not as effective as when you combine it with the information ’cause frequency is just the amount of time something happens in a second. Yes, a different part of the body will resonate to a frequency, but it’s about, you know, putting energy in. But it’s not actually giving it the instructions or the blueprint of what to do and where you get really stellar results is when you combine the two. So that’s the ER system and, yeah, that’s probably worked well. That’s literally where our mapping, that’s where the NES mapping got, I guess if we get into the future.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Yeah .

Harry Massey

You know, I mean, the future is for sure, it’s endless ’cause we are really just scratching the surface of this, but you know, an area it’s really exciting for us as, and I think it’s in one of our other videos or it’s probably a Professor Hamel video for sure is, you know, previously we hadn’t seen the effect on like live tissue and, you know, it’s a whole area of research we didn’t really realize was possible, but now we can basically feed, so you can take heart tissue, lung tissue, brain tissue, and any tissue in the body and you can feed it the Infoceutical information. And then you can literally directly measure the effects that’s having on that tissue so that you can see all the different metabolics like, being produced, you can measure its energy output. 

You can infect the tissue with viruses, which, you know, is an experiment that Hamel’s video tell you about how he infected lung tissue with C0V!D virus, and then ET2 basically helps to inject the C0V!D virus faster than the normal. So, yeah, so you can run all these experiments on live tissue and that’s gonna give us much, much more, you know, very pragmatic, scientific detail on what all these information sets do, but it also sets up for us or just directions for future research of what we can do with that. So that’s some-

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Oh, that’s super exciting.

Harry Massey

I think that’s basically the mapping of the body field.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

I love it. Thank you so much, Harry. That was super fascinating. And it’s really cool to hear on the development, you know, how you arrived at some of these and really piqued my interest in some of the unlabeled products, let’s say, or, you know, exactly where we’re going with the system and with the well thought out remedies and the different sets of remedies of how you put that together. So thanks.

Harry Massey

Perfect.