#1 Reason Your Symptoms Won’t Resolve (and How To Shift It)

Jason Prall

Hey, thanks for having me. Good to see you.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

You, too. I feel like I’m a broken record player, but you’re one of my favorite people because I realized in this project that I brought all my friends on to talk to people.

Jason Prall

You have some pretty cool friends. I appreciate that.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I do have cool friends. I was looking around my life, thinking, Wow, I have met people. Yes. Thank you for saying yes. You’re a health educator. You’re a practitioner, an author, and a filmmaker. In 2018, you created the Human Longevity Project. I think a lot of people here watching will know you for that project. It was a nine-part film series that uncovered the true nature of chronic diseases in our modern world. You’re a writer, and you’re an author. Beyond longevity, there is a proven plan for healing faster, feeling better, and thriving at any age. When did that book come out?

Jason Prall

In the last year or so. It’s been almost a year now.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes, I can’t believe it’s already been. I can remember when you were saying, Hey, this is coming out. Well, we have a very interesting topic that we’re going to talk about today. I can always count on you to bring it when it comes to interesting things. strap in everyone because we’re going to go to places you never thought of before, and it’s got to be out of this world. I’m going to paint a picture, and then we’re going to go from there. I’m almost like a case study. Okay, we’re going to be talking about how we’ll just see patterns of chronic disease, and it’s not what you think it is. I want you all to be watching. Jason, you imagine working with a client, working with a patient who does everything right. We’re talking about someone who’s done all the infection, cleared all the parasites, cleared all the bacteria, and cleared their gut health. They have done all the toxic work. They got the amalgams out of their mouths. They worked on all the heavy-metal detox protocols. They worked through mold toxins. They worked through environmental toxins. They don’t have anything dirty in their home. They’re cleaning. Products are clean, and their body products are clean. They even have a home biohacking system, like a biohacking room in their house. They’ve got a sauna, they’ve got red lights, and they’ve got an ozone generator. They’ve got, what else? an iron foot bath. I mean, you name it, they’re doing it right. They’re eating perfect vegetarian food. They’ve tried vegetarianism; they’ve tried carnivoreism. They’ve done all the things they eat and clean. No matter what it is they’re eating, it’s clean. They’ve gone back and forth between different things. They’ve worked with multiple practitioners. Do you get my drift? This is a committed person doing everything right. This is who we’re going to be talking about today. This is the one. Even though they’re doing everything right, they are stuck. Why are they stuck? Let’s hear.

Jason Prall

Yes, this is it. I mean, what you’re describing feels a little bit like me. It feels a little bit like many of the clients that I work with. honestly, people who are right in the health and wellness circles that I hang out with. This is a very common experience. It’s so confusing as a practitioner working with somebody like this and going through it yourself. It tripped me up for a very long time until I finally opened up to the reality that our biology gets stuck in these patterns. They can be biological patterns. In other words, in the tissue, they can be mental patterns, which I think we may have some concept of, or we recognize that to some degree they can be emotional patterns.

Of course, behavior is part of the equation too. But what happens is that it was a traumatic event. It can be a single acute traumatic event. It can be a series of repeated traumatic events. It can be being sick for a long enough time that it’s causing this trauma in one’s psyche and in one’s biology. What happens is that our entire being can get caught up in this new normal. We get stuck. So when you clear the heavy metals out of the body, great. Or let’s say somebody is even along the same lines. You describe somebody in that same picture, but they can’t get their thyroid numbers to be correct. They can’t get their cholesterol, whatever it might be. They’re constantly experiencing pain.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

They let me tell you because I work with a lot of people that this happens to. They’re doing everything right. But they still have energy crashes. They’re doing everything right, but they still have brain fog. It comes and goes. They do everything right, but they still have occasional panic attacks. They do everything right, but they still can’t tolerate all the foods that they should. They’ve cleaned up their gut so much that it’s just not possible.

Jason Prall

Why wouldn’t they be able to sleep? Sleep.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Oh, this is the biggest one. They can’t sleep at night. They. They have migrating pain still, even though they dealt with Lyme; they did the Lyme protocols; they did it all. But they feel like I still feel like I have that, or they’re stuck in a mass cell. They feel like they’ve done everything, but they still have it. Okay, so this is like, if this is you, listen up, because what we’re about to unpack today could change your life.

Jason Prall

Yes. So oftentimes, when we have somebody like that, there could be something else going on. No question. It’s still a good idea to look at everything, but oftentimes you still can’t find anything. So what can happen is, and this generally occurs at the nervous system level, could be in the brain, could be, you know, in various parts of the brain, could be the limbic system in particular. Which is more associated with survival patterns. It can be deep in the tissues; it can be in the fascia. This can be at the level of the mitochondria. Mitochondria can get stuck in this hyper-inflammatory state, a defensive state. We can get stuck in these patterns of operation. Why? Why do we get stuck? It’s because humans are the most adaptable creatures on the planet. We can adapt to all different types of diets, temperatures, and all kinds of conditions. What a beautiful gift that is for me as a human being to be able to adapt to our environment in a truly unbelievable way. Well, the downside to that is that we adapt and get conditioned.

We are naturally conditioned by what we experience on a day-to-day basis. Imagine you grew up in a household that involved a lot of abuse. maybe you didn’t get abused. You just saw it, and you were around it. Then it was verbal abuse and neglect and all this stuff. Now you’re going to get conditioned to that level of mind and experience. There’s going to be a certain level of danger or threat that you’re going to perceive in the world. Now, some of this is being laid down preverbally. You don’t even have a concept for what? What’s happening because it was before two or three years old, you can’t remember. Developing brains are molded to our environment. We were born into this world, and we are so moldable. If we are molded to a certain environment, it could be mold, abuse,  neglect, or, if I mean, anything, certain types of foods. It could be various metals, chemicals, or alcohol.

Cigarettes, like all of these things, are going to impact our system. So generally speaking, if we grow up in an environment that is perceived as a threat, especially continuously, and we get conditioned to that level of threat, We walk around in the world at the nervous system level, not necessarily at the mental level. This doesn’t necessarily mean I’m constantly thinking that the world is scary. My nervous system has beliefs.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Are important because people don’t. They feel like I dealt with that. I released that; I did the therapy; I did, you know, I studied how to release this. I did the work.

Jason Prall

Yes.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

It’s the nervous system. Not necessarily what you’re feeling, but your memories and brain and how triggered. It’s not that you don’t have to be triggered by something anymore.

Jason Prall

That’s right. It’s software versus hardware. oftentimes we do the therapies and we do the I’ve done a lot of this. I’ve done a lot of different therapies, and they’ve been life-changing. Oftentimes, that’s some of the work that needs to be done if somebody is caught in some patterns and cycles, and if we do enough of the processing, then things can clear. But oftentimes we do the processing, and the software cleanup is happening. We’re getting the software upgrades, but we’re not getting the hardware. The hardware is not working. Now, sometimes it does, and oftentimes it does. Right, but not always. The hardware can get stuck in a mode of operation while the software has been upgraded. Now you have somebody capable of, let’s say, managing the world, handling the world, viewing the world; in other words, they’re not so caught in their experience, right, in their trauma, in their processing, but they’re still having to manage it.

so the hardware is not it can’t rest. It’s not online, which is a restful state. To heal, we need to be in that parasympathetic state. We cannot heal if we’re caught in a sympathetic overdrive. If this chronic, sympathetic nature does not relax, we cannot heal effectively. We’re going to be caught in these healing cycles. then even leaning into polyvagal theory, if we are on the sympathetic side of our nervous system, our parasympathetic side of our nervous system, which we think of as resting digest, we can freeze or shut down because the system has been activated for so long. It preserves energy by just shutting down. This is a big issue with the hardware that we’re talking about.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

One more thing I want to make sure we understand right now: you just unpacked trauma and traumatic experiences, but it’s more than that. It could have been an infection. It could have been so that we could unpack some of the other assaults on the body, or the things could have been toxins, or we could have an infection. It’s not. We may have people listening right now who are like, This doesn’t apply to me. I didn’t; I wasn’t sexually abused. I was mentally abused. I didn’t witness anybody being abused. But I’m still stuck. yes. Might not be your thing. What are the other things?

Jason Prall

First of all, birth itself. Birth is a massive trauma. Both, let’s say psychologically. Do you want to say that, emotionally, it’s a trauma, but physically, it’s a trauma coming into this world? The head is getting squeezed. There are a lot of benefits to this process, and it can be very traumatic, especially with our modern techniques of birthing. Again, these aren’t things that can’t be overcome, but they’re often overlooked. So it’s hard to even pin down how what I’m experiencing is related to that. We don’t necessarily know; we can’t draw maps. That’s it. They can get caught in our nervous system. These experiences can be wired into our experience. that’s one. Well, this.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

It explains a lot. I was a Christian. They pulled me out, one leg at a time. I wonder what that did to me.

Jason Prall

I mean, me too. I had the cord wrapped around like a lot of forceps can be very hard on babies, C-sections. There are lots of different experiences in that birth process itself, being taken away from mom in the first few minutes. not to get too deep into the vaccine story, but that’s at the vaccines. There are a lot of them now, and they’re all being given right away. That’s a lot for the system to handle. Regardless of how we want to address that, that’s simply a lot more than when I was a child. A lot is happening in that early process. The other thing that is worth mentioning is that these things, like traumatic brain injuries, concussions, and other little things, never get diagnosed. I played football when I was a kid, right in middle school, high school, and even college. I never got diagnosed with a concussion, never once. But I can guarantee you, I have had traumatic brain injuries a handful of times. I remember blacking out on the field once for a couple of seconds. I was a kid and didn’t think anything of it.

I wasn’t woozy afterward. Nothing. No other symptoms, except I did blackout. Well, now knowing what that’s unbelievable, That’s an unbelievable brain trauma right there. Then I went back and kept playing. then this is a developing brain. That’s an issue. That is something that can stick with you for decades. This is not something small. Traumatic brain injuries—concussions—that’s a big one. Any addiction, any type of addiction, particularly those related to alcohol or substance abuse, can create lasting effects in the system without any conditioning. Let’s say you were a ballerina or a gymnast, and you had a difficult coach. That was hard on you. To get you to perform well, that level of conditioning for a child can be very traumatic, not in the way we think. We think it’s making us tough. It’s not allowing us to truly process emotion or get our system to relax. We might be hypervigilant. You might know some of these people that you went to medical school with who got all straight A’s. They were so successful. They’re generally hypervigilant about reality. They have a hard time relaxing. Everything has to be perfect. They got to be top of the class, etc. I have a lot of friends in this area. Asian communities are very, very common in Asian communities based on their culture. These are the types of things.

These are conditions that happen to us that create a level of reality that we’re not necessarily aware of because we’re like fish swimming in an ocean. It’s hard to be aware of the water. It’s all around us. We’re in it, so we’re so immersed that we can’t even see it. This is what’s happening in our reality; it’s creating a nervous system that can’t just relax. One of the most obvious examples of this is if you just ask somebody to meditate. Half the people will tell you I can’t meditate. Well, that’s ridiculous. I mean, I understand what they’re saying, but what they’re saying to me is that my system can’t just rest. That’s what they’re saying. That’s because that person’s system has never been allowed to just rest and be. When it is, it is used as a threat. In other words, I must do something to find safety, security, etc. because I am this person and I’ve gone through it.

So this is a common experience for many of us in the West—many of us who are successful, and many of us who are good people. This is just the reality that we’ve grown up in. It’s a part of our Western culture. It’s exactly right.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I’ve been accused of do do do before.

Jason Prall

Exactly.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Instead of me. Right.

Jason Prall

Yes. So this idea of letting go, of stimulation, of relaxing, and when we do that, that should be easy. But for many of us, it’s not very easy. then what’s even crazier is that you can; you can get some people to do it, but then if you measure their, let’s see, their brain patterns, they can’t relax even though their body is trying to relax. They’re technically resting. Their brain is still stuck in hypervigilance. It’s still stuck in this overdrive, this sympathetic charge, or it may even be stuck in threes. Even though they’re relaxed, their brains are telling us otherwise. That itself is the problem. This is why healing cannot happen where it can only happen to such a degree. So we’re trying to do all the software stuff, we’re taking all the supplements, and we’re looking for a problem inside of us. But the problem is our nervous system itself, so to speak, or it’s at the mitochondrial level. This stuff is so deep in the tissues that it becomes challenging to unwind what’s going on. The assault has been removed. Theoretically, we’re hopefully great, but the problem can remain because the problem is in the patterning of the system itself.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Okay, in the last few minutes before we transition, we’re almost done with this first part of our talk. This is like, I feel like you just had a mic drop, Mic drop moment right there. I said, I mean, everybody watching is going. Oh, that makes sense. What else do you want to say in these last few minutes, in the second half of this interview? We’re going to get into how you fix this, but 

what else do you want to say right now just to, you know, leave our audience with some nuggets?

Jason Prall

This was one of the biggest components, as a practitioner, that I had to learn until I learned it. I was chasing my tail, trying to figure out what was wrong with somebody and how I could help fix them. Where the issues are, there must be something creating this issue that is left unresolved. I just want to highlight that, as a practitioner, this is one of the biggest pieces that was revealed to me that allowed me to understand why certain people cannot get better. This isn’t a small thing. I would dare to say that every single person has this to some degree, every single person because we’re all conditional. We were all humans. We’ve all gone through this thing. Even if you didn’t have emotional trauma, you did. Even if you weren’t conditioned, you were right. Like you experienced reality in the world. So these things are laid down in the nervous system. One of the biggest and most obvious examples of this is what’s called the negativity bias. This idea that we had, generally speaking, has four negative thoughts for every one positive thought. That’s because we’re first and foremost wired for safety. Your body is going to find safety. Your mind is going to find safety. You don’t feel safe sitting still. It’s going to find something to do because it feels safer. We are wired for safety. That’s a critical piece of this puzzle. It’s not just in the thinking; it’s not just in the emotions. It’s in the tissue itself. Everything is wired to create safety, a feeling, or a perception of safety.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Issues in the tissues.

Jason Prall

Yes.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Okay, Jason, thank you so much for joining us today for this talk on the patterns that prevent healing. To our audience, I hope you’re finding this conversation insightful and helpful. If you’re a summit purchaser, Stay right here, because we’re about to dive even deeper into this discussion with Jason Prall and talk about how to solve this. If you’re not a summit purchaser, click on the button on this page to get access to a continuation of this conversation and many others, and get the tools you need to reclaim your health. 

If you’re watching this continuation of my talk with Jason Prall, thank you for being a valuable member of our community. We’re going to dive right back in. What do we do about this problem? How do we solve this? Because you’ve got a way to solve it. I’m your next project. Okay?

Jason Prall

This is a big one. There are a lot of different ways to approach this, depending on what’s going on. But if we accept the premise that there’s something that may be stuck, a pattern that may be stuck, I think, first and foremost, it’s important to remember that the mind, the mental processes, the emotions, and the body itself cannot be separated. They’re all interconnected. We give this lip service, but I don’t think we buy in oftentimes. So if we have a lot of people, whether it’s anxiety or depression, they have more of the mental afflictions that are affecting them. It could be neurological. In other words, it may not be your fault. Your brain may be stuck in that pattern. We need to get to the brain level. We need to get to the hardware level. One of the things is that, because this is such an important piece, I believe I invested in a company called Cereset, and I bought one, too. You and I are both in the Greater San Diego area, and I brought one to San Diego because there wasn’t one here.

This, Cereset measures the brain activity, and the EEGs of the brain, and mirrors back the brain’s function to itself. Now, it’s got a lot of research behind it. It’s a patented technology. It’s amazing. I wish I had developed this thing. It’s truly remarkable. But what I see is that people come in and they have anxiety, depression,  sleep issues, chronic ailments, and all kinds of inflammatory conditions. When we can get the brain to relax and balance itself, then the issues can be resolved. it’s remarkable. That’s addressing the hardware. We’re going directly to the hardware. We’re just using these audio tones. It’s pretty wild, but it mirrors the brain’s activity back to itself. The brain has the intelligence to naturally find refined balance. That’s one way to address the hardware. That’s just one example. There are other ones, like neurofeedback, which is another thing that people are maybe more familiar with. It’s a little bit different than what we do seriously. That takes a little bit longer. Nevertheless, for a similar type of thing, we can go directly to the hardware.

We can address the software. There’s a beautiful technique called a dynamic neural retraining system, DNRS created by Annie Hopper. This is a way to reprogram and start to understand how thoughts, emotions, and the body are all connected. You start to map out how your mental processes are going. In other words, you’re starting to bring awareness to these things, and you’re starting to remap this process. You start to change your mental habits, which change your emotions, which changes the somatic aspect. You can use something like DNRS, which has been unbelievable for people with all kinds of chronic ailments. something like DNRS. Again, these aren’t things that most people would say are the first tools to correct some of these issues.

Yes, parasites exist. Yes. Heavy metals exist. Yes. Infections—all this stuff is true. Sometimes, why is it hard to clear them? Well, because our system is not optimized for clarity. We can clear with outside techniques and also assist with inside techniques, so to speak. We can assist by upgrading the system and the software. That will allow that parasympathetic to come online, which will allow the detox functions to start naturally working better. The gut starts to work better, the brain, the sleep—everything starts to work better because we just upgraded the software using something like DNRS, which is specifically related to the limbic system and the safety system. Again, Cereset seems to have it down, so we can reset the hardware to help with this detox function, with the elimination of the parasites, with the gut function, with the sleep—everything that’s going to start working better in harmony.

We can use something like a pain-reprocessing therapy PRT. This is a way to remap pain. A lot of times, pain is created in the body, and pain is always a real thing. But the signals for pain get essentially caught. This pattern of pain processing is caught and stuck, and DNRS is another one. This is a dynamic neural retraining system. This was developed by Annie Hopper as a truly beautiful technique that focuses on the software aspect of things. traditionally, typically with the limbic system, is what we’re dealing with. This is a safety aspect of the system, and it’s a way to map out your current mental patterns and processing as it relates to the emotions, the somatic, or the body itself. When you’re able to notice your old patterns, discharge them. In other words, they don’t become so charged. You just start to recognize them for what they are, and then you start to map your mental and emotional patterns along with the physical feelings and sensations in the body. All of a sudden, people can heal from remarkably complex conditions.

I mean, some people should hear the stories. It’s part of the process of going through DNRS that you read about and hear about some of the people who have recovered from these unbelievable issues. Some people are so severely sensitive to everything that they’re living in, like, the middle of the bush, or the middle of nowhere, because they can’t handle anything. These things are not small sometimes for some people. For many people, this is the biggest piece of healing: addressing these patterns. whether it’s something like Cereset on the hardware side or, you know, some neurofeedback or something that’s addressing the hardware aspect of the system, which will then affect the software. the effect of the hardware and, all of a sudden, the software; in other words, the mental processes, the emotional processes, and the anxiety drop away. The pain can clear up like all these things can start to shift. Or you address the software side, and it’ll affect the hardware itself, so we can get out of our patterns. Those two techniques are great. Another one is EMDR. This is eye movement desensitization reprocessing therapies, and they are primarily used for PTSD or certain traumatic memories.

By moving the eyes back and forth while recalling some of these memories, we can again dissociate the charge. The visual perception starts to diminish. so these memories don’t hold the same charge. This is another amazing way that we can unwind some of these patterns that are stuck without getting into the physical. If you’ve ever had a standard diet, you’re on your normal diet, and then you’ve tried to shift to something else. Maybe it’s some ketogenic diet, maybe it’s water fast, or maybe it’s vegetarian. Whatever the case is, it can be very difficult because the patterns associated with digestion, associated with your gut microbiota, associated with your mitochondria, and associated with the behavioral aspects of eating are now being shifted away from what’s normal. Any time you do something that is out of the norm, it is generally challenging. then, if you stick with it long enough, all of a sudden it becomes easy. A coal plant is a good one. This is a good example of this. Most people, when they go into an ice bath, a coal plant, or a cold shower, hate it.

Most people don’t like it, and then eventually, if you stick with it, you’ll start to crave it. As the body adapts, the system will eventually adapt. Now, it’s not to say that everybody needs it, but these are just examples of how we get the system out of its comfort zone. How do we get it out of these patterns of operation? If you drive the same way to work every day, You don’t have to think about it. It’s just that it’s so easy to get to work that you can get there and you don’t even remember driving. But all of a sudden, you start to go a different way. You become engaged with the directions, where you’re at, and what’s happening. This is the same thing. We need to engage with a different level of environment if we want to change these habits, these patterns, these biological patterns, and these rhythms. Same thing with mood and mental processing. Again, I mentioned previously that most of us have this negativity bias that is four to one, which is about average for negative thoughts to every one positive. We can change that.

If we just practice happy thoughts, that will start to shift. then our baseline becomes, let’s say, three negative thoughts to every one positive thought. That’s fantastic. then if we keep practicing, we might get down to two to one. These are things that we can shift, including their habits, their neural habits, their neural patterns, their behavioral patterns, their mental patterns, and their emotional patterns. Any time that we do this again, what I mentioned before is that everything’s connected. If we start to shift our negativity bias, you might know some people in your life who are highly negative. They assume the worst in every scenario. They enter a raffle, and I’m not going to win. Then you have some other people who think they’re going to win every raffle. This is a different level of perception. The more negative one is thinking, oh, this person’s delusional. This person’s, that’s, that’s a little bit more positive, think, gosh, so negative all the time.

This is a reflection of the reality that they’ve experienced in their lives. Nobody’s bad or anything for feeling the way that they do or having these patterns. It’s important just to recognize that, again, we are so conditional that we develop these patterns based on our experience and our perceptions of our experience. All this is, of course, perception, but it’s based on what we’ve experienced. We have to shift that. We get the opportunity to shift these things by just choosing something different. Gratitude is mostly not a habit that people have. It’s something we can practice. As you practice it, you can start to rest in this idea of gratitude and this idea of positivity. that will change your chronic disease. There are unbelievable circuits related to various neurochemicals that are highly related to your ability to relax. That is highly related to the inflammatory processes in your body and tightly related to the pain signals that you send to your body. Someone says they’re complaining of knee pain. Well, practicing these happy thoughts, and doing something like DNRS is changing. These mental and emotional patterns will change your biology. 100%. Now, it may not be the only thing. There may be some other things, too, but it is a piece of the puzzle for a lot of people. Again, DNRS, Cereset, EMDR, and pain reprocessing therapy. This is another one I mentioned.

This is unbelievable. It has to do with neural plastic pain. Some people may be familiar with John Sarno. He was made popular many years ago, relating specifically to back pain. What he noticed with back pain is that he did X-rays on his back, and they were the same X-ray, the same imaging. One person was running marathons; the other couldn’t get out of bed. He asked himself, What’s going on? This doesn’t make sense. It does not align with my training. What he realized was that there was a mental aspect to what was going on with the pain. So he’s got amazing books, pain, reprocessing therapies, a little bit different, a very new type of, I guess, technique, but similar, which is that it’s related to this idea that pain can be neural plastic. In other words, conditional pain. We’ve been conditioned because of other realities. Whatever the reality might be, it might be physical imbalances that create pain and dysfunction on the physical level. The pain was associated with that. Well, that pain signal can get conditioned, and that pain is known as neural plastic pain. We can condition that pain so that the pain signals aren’t sent so strongly.

They’re not sent so frequently. We can uncondition pain itself. So there’s remarkable testimony to something like pain reprocessing therapy. Hopefully, you’re going to get the idea here. It’s often these conditional patterns that make us have to do something different. We have to take a different approach. We can’t just assume that the body is going to respond because the threat was removed. Now the body may be conditioned to that. then we’ve got to make a concerted effort to change our environment, whether that’s our physical environment or our mental environment. Right to start to inflict a new pattern. We can lay down these new neural pathways. This is what I see on a day-to-day basis with Cereset. I see these new neural patterns get laid down.

In the beginning, they’re fragile. It’s like blazing a new trail in the woods. It’ll grow over very quickly. The old trail, which has been worn through for decades. It’s going to remain for a while. These new neural pathways need to be made habitual; they need to be practiced. As they are practiced, as they are conditioned in this new way of operation, in this new way of rest, in this new way of balance, and in this new way of ease, they can become the new norm. But those old patterns—they’ve been laid down for decades. A lot of them will go through the various levels in the tissues of the brain. They will go through, they will deepen in the brain, these groups, these neural pathways. Some of them are very old. It’s not necessarily a quick fix. Sometimes it’s a month, two months, six months, or a year of doing some of these techniques. But when you have somebody who’s dealt with chronic pain, who’s dealt with any chronic condition for decades, this is nothing. It gets better and better. The cool thing is that you start to see results, and especially if you’re doing some of the things you guys are talking about in this summit, now you’re off to the races. Oftentimes, what I see is that this piece is missing. Those people who are doing all the right stuff can’t get to the other side because something is stuck in their nervous system. Something is stuck in their mental and emotional patterns. Something is stuck in the tissues.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

What occurs to me here is that you mentioned that probably all of us have some element of this, so everyone can benefit. But what occurs to me is that this is probably a great thing to layer into any work you’re doing with any practitioner. You don’t have to be the person that we used as an example who’s done everything right and still has the symptoms, still has the brain fog, and still has a little energy. What if you’re at the beginning of your, you know, discovery process? People are watching right now who are like, What’s this whole functional medicine thing? This is interesting. I think there’s something here. then some people have tried many different types of therapies and have studied quite a bit, and they’re serial summit watchers. Yes, we have people like that here too, where they’re just like, Give me the next summit, give me the next summit. I’m getting my education here. So it occurs to me that this could be layered in with anything you’re doing, and you’re probably going to get better and faster results if you’re working on this nervous system. Reprogram me.

Jason Prall

I’ll tell you that I 100% agree. Yes. It goes so far. This is such a fundamental aspect of who we are that it starts to ripple out into everything. Your relationship starts to change, your sleep starts to change your ability to attract, and the resources and opportunities that you want in your life start to happen. I don’t want to go too far down this manifestation route, but the reality is that when your system is relaxed you can stay centered on yourself because your system can finally chill, even despite what’s going on in the world and what’s happening and what food you’re eating and all these things, there’s a way that you carry yourself into the world that magic starts to happen. I mean, it’s not short of anything spiritual. It’s wild to watch this unfold. Again, I see this with the technology that I’m using with Cereset, it happens very quickly for people. It’s five sessions, it’s 30 days, and their entire reality shifts and it’s wild to watch. It’s gone a while.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

It’s energy to right because, you know, we all have an energetic field, and you know, there’s talk about this on this summit, and we emit energy and we attract, you know, we are attracted to certain energies. When the energy that you’re emitting and the frequency that you’re operating at are healed, you’re going to attract people to you who want to work with you, be in a relationship with you, help you, have fun with you—all of it.

Jason Prall

This is right. There’s an inspiration that comes right. You feel inspired to be in the world when you’re having chronic issues. This is because I’ve been caught in chronic issues for most of my life, and there’s almost so much of your life force whose energy is focused on the issue. It’s focused on trying to get out of this mess. Everything else is just managed. We get to flip that. As we don’t have to wait for the issues to be resolved, it’s a chicken-and-egg type of situation. It’s important to identify your dream and what you want to do while you’re sick.

But the point is that as we start to come out of this malaise and this chaos that we’ve been in all of a sudden, the world looks different. We approach the world differently. We approach relationships differently. When you do that, then things just happen. They start to unfold for you in the way that you want them to. Sincerely, it’s one of the most important things. You mentioned sleep, and I’ll hit on this briefly, but sleep is another one of these things that is very conditional. You know this if you’ve ever traveled across time zones. We call it jetlag, but you fly across five or six time zones, and you’re a mess because your sleep and your body were conditioned to a light cycle that has now shifted dramatically within just a few hours. Your body takes days just to catch up and recondition to that proper lighting environment. This is something that we can condition with light. getting up in the morning getting that light in our eyes and making sure we have darkness at night, are important to set this biological cycle, which means everything in your body is dependent on this cycle.

By the way, every single cell has clock genes and period genes that are related to the signals that we’re receiving primarily through light. We would get that wrong. Then our biology is out of sync. It’s not going to be operating in the right way. But even beyond that, even if we get that right, sometimes the neurological patterns can get stuck in such a way that they don’t allow us to rest and fall into deep sleep. Again, this is something I see day to day with Cereset. We fix that, and people can start sleeping again. It’s not one or the other. Oftentimes, for some people, it’s both. They have to address this. But these are the patterns that, when you get somebody sleeping, their mood, look—if you’ve ever had a child or been around a newborn and you’re not sleeping for months at a time—you’ll know you’re not as friendly, you’re not as motivated, you’re not as energized.

You generally make poor choices with food. Your decision-making overall goes down like everything starts to fall apart. Generally, most people gain a little bit of weight. Like, all this stuff starts to happen because you’re not sleeping. These are fundamental aspects of who we are. When we start sleeping, when our system relaxes and I can sit here and my nervous system is at rest, most people think they’re at rest, their relative rest. For me, I might be resting here and excited here. Well, my rest is here; your rest might be down here. In other words, you might be able to drop lower into an ease and restful state than I am because my system was more excitable and conditioned to this level of baseline. when we can drop that baseline and get that into real rest, recovery, sleep, relationships, inflammation, immune regulation, Treg cells, and everything to function better.

The microbiome starts to come into balance. Someone with gut issues may have it because their nervous system is out of whack. You could be chasing gut symptoms and trying to find balance and diversity. You know, all these things, all these inflammatory markers, are trying to get them all perfect. But the reality is that the underlying system is out of whack. This is an important piece because I’ve chased it. I’ve chased it for so much of my practitioner career with my health. With my health. I wasn’t aware of this stuff. it’s huge.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

It is. In the time we have left, I’d love it if you could take us through a case study if you will. I mean, you’ve been supporting and helping people locally here in San Diego. Can you take us through, like a transformation of somebody? Tell us.

Jason Prall

Yes. Yes. A good friend of mine was going through a horrendous, inflammatory condition out of nowhere. He didn’t know what was going on. He would develop this unbelievable rash, welts, and other things on his whole body, primarily triggered by food but also by chemicals and other things. In other words, he had just this unbelievable sensitivity to the world. So, you know, he went through a ton of different practitioners. He tried a ton of different things. There were two components. One is that I want to understand what this is. B, what are some of the therapies that are going to help? But generally, the two aspects of that health crisis are that people try to figure out what’s happening.

Even if I don’t know what’s happening, what the heck is going to help me? They don’t need to come together. But generally, you like to figure out that the answer he was getting was nasal activation—you know, histamine. When you start to understand functional medicine to a degree, you start to recognize that, yes, nasal activation syndrome is a thing. It’s a problem, but there’s an underlying etiology. Something is going on in the system that is driving this massive activation. Mass cells are important. The whole degradation—all these processes that we might view as bad in a certain case—are good if kept in balance. if the system is operating in such a way. He couldn’t figure out what the heck was going on, but he was trying all these things. He tried DNRS first, and he noticed some resolution. He was a little bit better because foods weren’t causing as much sensitivity. He wasn’t reacting as much. He thought, Well, this is amazing. We tried exercise, vitamin A, and sleep. We’re trying to improve regulatory T-cell function, and vitamin D. Happy thoughts. Dopamine, these types of things.

These are all very good for immune regulation. We’re doing all those things. Then the other thing that finally landed for him was Cereset, which doesn’t even claim to address mass cell activation. I mean, but he got an intuitive hit for it and heard a lot of success stories, so he tried it. That’s the thing that put him over the edge. He doesn’t react to the world like he does now. And this is a good friend. It was because of that, coupled with a bunch of other stories that I had heard about Cereset. That was the reason we invested and became a partner company.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

You didn’t even help him. It was before you.

Jason Prall

It was. It was both. I was helping him a bit, but I didn’t do it with him. Cereset. That was the reason that we got into Cereset. I was helping him as a practitioner.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

How long did it take for him to feel better? When he started it.

Jason Prall

I would say that before we started before I even got involved, he was trying to figure this out for probably a year. He was down to a handful of food. It was a pretty classic process. Then from there, I would say another six months of starting to get a feel for what’s going to help and what’s bad and what’s good. He was he was; it’s almost like he was navigating a new reality like this. He was settling into the reality of this thing, whatever it was. Then probably another three or four months of doing DNRS, six months maybe of doing DNRS. Because it worked so well, he was committed to it. He was like, Oh, my gosh, this is working. I’m going to commit to this. It got him to a certain point, but he couldn’t get any further. Then probably two months or so, two months of Cereset, and that was it.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

He has no more mass cell activations. He can eat food. He doesn’t have the rashes that are gone.

Jason Prall

Yes. He had experienced a near-death experience years ago— ten years ago. got hit in the head by a surfboard when he was surfing and knocked it out cold. There was a concussion that was a key part of his residual. He also had trauma when he was growing up. These things seem independent. They seem separated, but they’re not. They all played a role in his brain, in his system, and perceiving threats in the world. It’s again hard to say what caused what and how it all unfolded. But if you do a proper case, a history with somebody, you can see all these things start to add up. It made for some people, maybe Lyme, and then they got heavy metals. Then, like me, I had mold in my house when we were having our first child, and I wasn’t sleeping very well. I had horrible sleep because of a new baby, and then there was mold in the house, and that set me up for MARCoNS, Multiple Antibody Resistant Coagulase Negative Staph infection in the nasal passage area. Why the MARCoNS? Because the mold was present. Why did I get mold and MARCoNS as well? Because I wasn’t getting good sleep, my immune system was downregulated; it wasn’t an effective rate. All these things can create this perfect storm and create issues. It’s hard to map out sometimes, but.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Two questions.

Jason Prall

Yes.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

How long does it last? Maybe forever. I’m hoping you say so. who shouldn’t do it?

Jason Prall

When it comes to things like DNRS, Cereset, and pain reprocessing therapy, my feeling is that anybody can do it. Cereset is a little different because we’re going to the hardware itself. If you have, you know, a deep brain stimulation implant and some other things, that is not a good idea, but 99.9% of people have no problem with, you know, neurofeedback, the same type of thing. There’s nobody who shouldn’t do it, especially when it comes to something like DNRS. This is, I mean, a couple hundred dollar program online, and you do it yourself; you just have to be committed. Like, that’s the deal with some of the stuff. Some of the stuff’s a little bit more expensive, and some people don’t have it because they can’t afford it. They don’t have the means to commit. Some of the stuff is not expensive at all. A gratitude practice is pretty cheap; most people don’t want to do it. Meditation is pretty cheap. They don’t want to do it right. some of this stuff, and what I’m hoping to try to do here is impregnate you with this idea that some of this stuff is so important to your recovery and to your well-being that it’s worth putting in the effort, even if it’s free or expensive. Whatever you can do, whatever you can afford, it’s not small.

Changing this stuff on the nervous system level, on the mental level, means having the ability to change your negative thoughts to your positive thoughts and having that work at first, and then it’s just your reality. This is worth it because it’s not just helping you become a happier person. It’s changing the neurochemistry. It’s changing the nervous system itself. It’s changing everything about what’s happening in your body and your hormonal patterns. This is all connected. So sometimes we just don’t want to look at it. We want to look at hormone replacement therapy. We don’t want to look at taking these supplements. I’m not saying don’t do that stuff. I think that’s just fantastic if done correctly. The power that you have to shift this internal state and these patterns is tremendous. What’s cool is that we live in the 21st century. We have this amazing technology that we can use, so everybody should use it. Everybody should look into what’s right for them. Again, pain and reprocessing therapy.

Simple. It’s remapping the pain semantically and understanding what not in pain is like. instead of yes. So what it feels like to not be in pain and to recognize that and to recognize what the pain is—you’re just mapping what pain is. I was on a positive meditation retreat for ten days. Silent meditation. You don’t talk for ten days; you meditate for like 18 hours a day. You sleep for six. In that process of just you mapping the body semantically with your awareness and my knee pain, I was taught to view it for what it is. It’s sharp, it’s hot, and it’s, you know, prickly. You just name what you’re feeling instead of thinking, Oh, my God, my pain is getting worse. I’m going to have to move, so you just map it and start to shift the neural patterns associated with the pain, which is very similar to pain-recessing therapy. That was my first big hint at this idea of neuroplastic pain. This stuff is powerful. Your mind is powerful, and your biology and hardwiring are powerful. All we’re going to do is figure out how to unwind some of these patterns that I’ve been with us for decades.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

It lasts once you unwind. This is not coming back in a month.

Jason Prall

It can let me put it this way. Some of the excesses that I see all the time—we’re laying these new neural patterns, these new neural pathways—are fragile. They’re delicate. We have to be mindful. We can’t throw ourselves into a highly stressful situation and expect those fragile neural pathways to be maintained. Now, we’re going to dip back into the old ones. We need to relax. We need to chill out a little bit. We’re not alone in these, you know, traumatic experiences. Don’t keep getting concussions at the boxing gym. You can’t just keep abusing yourself. It’s important to nourish. It’s about developing these new neural patterns, developing this new hardware, and then nourishing it, feeding it, and continuing to feed it.

This idea of changing this negativity, bias, and more positivity takes practice. The more you do it, the more stable it gets, the more sturdy it gets, and the more centered it gets. It’s not like you just do it and then set it and forget it. Now it’s gone. Now you can fall back into negative patterns because the world around you—I don’t know if you checked—is full of a lot of negativity if you buy into it. So it’s about maintaining, but eventually, if you establish a new baseline, then it stays right. Then you don’t have to work so hard. But in the beginning, changing patterns is hard work. For most of us, it’s certainly hard for me. I can tell you that. Changing my eating habits, changing exercise habits, changing my bedtime habits, and changing my mental habits. It’s all difficult at first. Yes, they make it easy.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I need an accountability body that’s not going to show up for somebody. I’ve been doing this as one of my business partners, and I have this new project going, but we have no time in our schedule to do it. We are getting up at 5:30 in the morning and at 6 a.m. We’re on Zoom, and we’re working on this Monday through Friday every day. I would never get up and get to work at 6 a.m. if she relied on me to be there. I mean, creating new habits is not easy. But if you want it bad enough and you start to see results, Now I’m seeing results from this. The other day, when we didn’t meet, guess who got up at 6 a.m. and used that time to get productive, get stuff done, and start my day. I mean, it can be done right. Like you start to see the benefit. You’re like, Oh, it’s so bad. I created a new pathway, and now I’m doing it. Now my body’s waking up at 5:30 without an alarm.

Jason Prall

That’s right. Yes. Consistency is key. It is all about that consistency. And one thing I didn’t mention to you that’s been pretty critical in my recovery process or my healing process, my awakening process was, and this isn’t for everybody, but it’s the plant medicines, things, ayahuasca. This is something I was drawn to in my search to understand trauma and the deeper meanings of myself, the universe, God, and all these things. I was led to some pretty amazing teachers. Those are some of the benefits of those. This is what the research has shown with things like, you know, psilocybin, mushrooms, and some of these other things. They start to rewire aspects of the brain. So it’s creating this neural plastic change in the brain. The other aspect of it subjectively is that you can view your problems and your reality differently. So when you can view reality differently now, you can begin to understand, change, and shift. Sometimes it’s like we’ve caught it again. It’s the fish in the ocean who don’t understand what water is.

But as soon as he jumps out of the water now, okay, this is water that’s different than air.  It’s that experience. There’s another one that’s maybe just worth mentioning because it’s, you know, ketamine and psilocybin and MDMA and ayahuasca. These things are more in the conversation. They don’t; I wouldn’t say that they’re for some people, but not the best. I wouldn’t say that’s the first thing I would recommend to a lot of people. But for those who are drawn to it and who have a good way to do some of that stuff, that can be pretty life-altering when it comes to these patterns. But even within those, like the traditional medicine men that I’ve sat with, they say that after the experiences that I’ve sat with, you know, you need to be practicing healthy habits for at least 21 days. How do they know neuroscience? Neuroscience says it takes 21 days to form a new habit. They intuitively know through their experience that there’s this integration period where, whenever you go through something, they give it 30 days to implement these good changes and these habits. They call them spiritual payments. some of the traditions of fasting, intermittent fasting, praying, communing with nature, meditation, yoga, and even weaving in some of these things.

When you include these things for the next few weeks after this life-changing experience, that’s what’s going to solidify the changes. But if you don’t, if you go back to your old ways and you go back to your Western world and you get back into your hamster wheel and you get back online, you get caught in your same behaviors, the same people, and all the same stuff. Then you’re going to get caught in the same loops that you’ve been in, even though you’ve seen them differently. You’re now re-engaging those same patterns. Hopefully, you can see what I mean. This is why sometimes going on vacation, moving—you know, changing locations—can shift everything about you. This is one of the things, one of the reasons that people won’t.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

It’s a pattern break people I hear, and my gosh, I hear it all the time. I went on vacation, and all my pains went away. I slept, and it didn’t hurt me to eat food. My brain didn’t feel foggy, and I came back home and everything. Of course, the first was, Well, is there mold in your house? Like what? We’re looking for check-outs. There’s no mold in the house. There’s nothing in there. No, they’re not like sleeping under an EMF tower, you know. There’s good. They’re good. Yes, we hear it all the time. I mean, people listening right now are like, Oh yes, that happens to me when I go on vacation. It’s like.

Jason Prall

It’s just that we can’t ask people to change their environment. That’s not realistic, but it’s a good indication. It’s a good thing to bring awareness to the fact that sometimes just changing up your habits, changing up the way you drive to work, I mean, these are small things, but as you start to change your environment, change your habits, and change your routines, things can start to unfold in different ways. It’s remarkable. I encourage people to do different things.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

If you have been living in the same house for 30 years; change it up.

Jason Prall

Yes, well, just change up your routine; you know, bring something new. We get caught up in all kinds of habits. With food and with. With people, with stuff.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

No, I’m in all around, all my habits. This is fun and enlightening. As always, you’re fun to listen to because you’re so passionate. You’re so passionate, and your passion shows through any time we’ve talked, you always bring up some fun subjects that nobody else is talking about. Thank you for that. Where can our audience find you, find your work, learn more from you, find your books, your documentaries, and all the things you do?

Jason Prall

Yes. We can find my book on Amazon or any bookstore. It’s called Beyond Longevity. You can find a lot of the work that I’ve done throughout the years, and it’s called Awaken Health Academy. It’s a Netflix for health, but it’s for those people who like to learn. This isn’t like entertainment health. This is like, we’re going to teach you some stuff, so you can go to awakenedhealthacademy.com for that. Then I’ve got a summit coming up, I’m sorry, a launch of the documentary series and the Human Longevity Project. We’re going to be releasing that for free on March 8 and April 2nd, I believe. Hopefully, we can get you to share that with your audience. But there’ll be a lot of people, I think, hopefully sharing that it’s a big launch every year that we do. It’s a good opportunity for all.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

That’s two months after this summit airs. I would suggest to people that if you want to make sure you don’t miss this, and I would suggest you don’t miss anything, Jason does go to his main website. I’m sure there’s a way for them to get on your email list, and then you’ll let them know when it comes out. How do people get on your email list?

Jason Prall

If they want to go to awakenedhealthacademy.com, they can sign up for a seven-day free trial and preview all the content we have, the courses, and all the perks that we have behind them. that will put you on our list and give you some free stuff while you’re at it.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes. Then, if that’s all you do, you’ll just get notified when the Human Longevity Project comes out again. Okay, I could keep going, but, alas, we need to stop. But thank you so much, Jason, for just being so much fun and digging in and being curious. I think I want to acknowledge your curiosity. Like that, one of your best superpowers is your curiosity. You are relentless in your pursuit of understanding. Thank you. Until next time. Everyone take care. Bye now.