Full Transcript Introduction to Long COVID and Chronic Fatigue 0:07 Welcome back I'm your host, Doctor David Jokers. 0:09 And today I've got the honor of interviewing Doctor Evan Hirsch 0:13 from energy MDmethod.com. 0:17 You guys definitely want to check out his great website. 0:20 We're talking about the four step process to resolve long Covid 0:23 and chronic fatigue. 0:24 Naturally. 0:25 Doctor Evan Hirsch is also known as the energy MD. 0:29 He is a world renowned fatigue expert, bestselling 0:31 author, and professional speaker. 0:33 He's the creator of the energy MD method, the science backed and clinically 0:37 proven four step process to resolving long Covid and chronic fatigue. 0:41 Naturally, through his bestselling book, podcast and international online 0:45 program, he's helped thousands of people around the world 0:49 resolve their fatigue again. 0:50 You can check him out at energy MD method.com. 0:54 You guys are in for a treat with this interview. 0:55 So without further ado, let's go right to it. 0:59 Well, doctor Evan Hirsch. 1:00 Great to reconnect with you. 1:02 And, great to see all the great things 1:04 that you guys are up to with energy mdmethod.com. 1:08 Today we're talking about how to resolve long Covid and chronic fatigue naturally. 1:13 So let's start there. 1:14 What is long Covid? 1:16 So long Covid is a syndrome since 2020. 1:20 You know, since we started getting Covid in the pandemic and whatnot, 1:24 it's persistent symptoms that result after you get Covid. 1:27 So, you know, ideally 1:29 you would get any sort of infection in the body would take care of it. 1:32 But what we're finding is that about 30 to 35% of 1:36 everybody who ends up getting Covid ends up with persistent symptoms. 1:40 And this means any new symptom since 2020 that happened after a viral illness, 1:46 since we're not exactly sure whether or not is related to Covid or not, 1:49 because the testing isn't very good. 1:50 That ended up with persistent symptoms that have lasted 1:53 for longer than two months. 1:55 So this can be fatigue, brain fog, body 1:59 pain, sleep issues, you know, loss of smell or taste. 2:03 Any really weird new symptoms since 2020? 2:07 Yeah, for sure. 2:08 That's that's important to know because, you know, for a lot of people 2:11 we got Covid right. 2:12 Felt better, you know, pretty quickly afterwards. 2:14 But there's a certain segment 2:16 certain population group where they just never got better. 2:20 Right. 2:20 Or they started to feel maybe 10 or 20% better. 2:23 And then they went backwards. Right after that. 2:25 And they've kind of been yo yoing. 2:27 Right. 2:27 And never have never, you know, they've plateaued in their ability to get better. 2:31 And you're seeing a lot of these with your, your obviously your client base 2:35 that specializes in chronic fatigue. 2:38 Exactly. 2:39 And you know and we 2:40 I feel like we're uniquely positioned for this because all the causes 2:43 of chronic fatigue, which are the toxic five that we can kind of get into today, 2:47 heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections and nervous system dysfunction. 2:51 All of those are the same for long Covid and the reason why 2:55 some people end up getting it. 2:56 And other people don't is because the stage is kind of already been set 3:00 with a lot of these toxins, infections and nervous system dysfunction.
What Long COVID Is and Common Symptoms 3:04 Yeah, important to know. 3:05 And what are what are the main signs and symptoms that somebody has long Covid. 3:11 So the the biggest one is fatigue. 3:14 The the next one is going to be the, the body pain, the brain 3:18 fog, the, the sleep issues, the loss of smell and taste. 3:23 Those are going to be 95% of that what people experience. 3:26 But for some people, sometimes they get, heart palpitations 3:30 and other people they get urinary tract issues. 3:32 So it's really any new symptom. 3:34 You have to include it as part of your differential or as part 3:38 of all the causes that you're looking at since 2020, because it really can. 3:43 It can cause over 250 different symptoms in the body when you get long Covid. 3:49 And so consequently it can be almost any symptom. 3:53 So that's why we have to include it. 3:54 We have to pay attention to the the chronology and the history. 3:59 Did you get a viral illness. 4:01 And then, you know, you ended up getting symptoms and those symptoms persisted. 4:05 Or as you mentioned, sometimes people get better 4:08 and they're fine for a bit and they go back to working out or, 4:12 or you know, training for a marathon or something like doing some vigorous 4:15 exercise and then all of a sudden they're down and out. 4:19 You know, we're seeing way too many young people having, having heart issues. 4:24 You know, our, our one of our newest clients is actually a, college 4:28 track star who can't run anymore because he got long Covid. 4:33 So, and oftentimes that happens when you feel like you're over Covid, 4:37 and then you go back and you exercise vigorously 4:40 and it crashes your mitochondria and consequently you just you it's hard 4:44 to get back there without going through this whole process of healing. 4:47 Yeah. 4:48 What have you found as what percentage of the population has long Covid? 4:53 So according to the CDC, they say 20 to 25%. 4:57 There's research to show somewhere between 30 and 40% of everybody. 5:02 You know, at this point, 5:03 everybody pretty much has had Covid, whether they know it or not. 5:07 And so it's it's about 35 to 40% in my experience. 5:11 I mean, I'm obviously I've got a bit of a skewed population, 5:14 but in terms of the studies that I've looked at, it's somewhere 5:17 between 20 and 40%. 5:19 It's a really high percentage. 5:21 Yeah. 5:21 So it's a lot of people are dealing with this and you can have 5:24 like before Covid came around, there was Post-Viral 5:28 syndrome, or people would have the flu and they just wouldn't really get better. 5:32 And they oftentimes ended up, you know, coming to see you. 5:35 So it's not like a new thing other than the fact that Covid was, 5:39 you know, really the most potent coronavirus 5:43 that we had seen outside of that, you know, the flu is pretty bad, too. 5:46 And people can develop the Post-Viral syndrome from that. 5:50 Absolutely. 5:50 And that's oftentimes a major cause of chronic fatigue syndrome. 5:54 You know, and so the difference really is just that we have this new spike protein. 5:58 But long Covid could be classified as chronic fatigue syndrome without a doubt. 6:02 Yeah for sure. 6:03 Now you mentioned mitochondrial issues right. 6:06 Can you play into that. 6:08 What happens to the mitochondria when we encounter some sort of a potent virus. 6:13 Right. 6:13 And what happens to the mitochondria and somebody that adapts to it. 6:17 Right. 6:18 That it basically, you know, overcomes it. 6:20 And somebody who gets stuck in kind of a post-viral syndrome. 6:25 Yeah. 6:25 So for people who aren't familiar, the mitochondria makes about 70 to 90% 6:30 of our energy, produces ATP body's main energy source. 6:34 And it also helps hormones get reabsorbed, 6:38 gets get absorbed into the cells, it helps to modulate the immune system. 6:42 And so it plays a really big role in our energy. 6:45 Now what happens is that the mitochondria can get damaged in the context 6:50 or in the in when when there's toxins and infections in the body. 6:55 And so they'll end up damaging the mitochondria. 6:58 And then you're not producing the energy that you need to. 7:01 The other thing is that infections can take over the DNA of the mitochondria. 7:05 So a lot of people know that there's DNA in the cell in the nucleus, 7:09 but not a lot of people also know that there's 7:11 there's actually DNA in the mitochondria, which is really even more important 7:15 and plays roles in cancer and other things. 7:17 And so if the infection is able to come in and take over 7:21 the DNA of the mitochondria, 7:23 then when you're trying to kick on your mitochondria and make more energy, 7:27 you're actually just replicating that infection. 7:29 And so that's a lot you know, in fact viruses do that a lot. 7:32 And so that's part of what's happening right now. 7:35 And so when that happens and you're asking the body to kick in 7:39 and to make more energy, like because you're training for a marathon, 7:43 that's why you end up replicating. 7:45 You know, it's kind of like putting all these viruses on steroids. 7:48 They replicate like crazy. 7:50 And then all of a sudden you're down and out because of the total inflammation 7:54 and the total takeover that ends up happening from the virus. 7:57 In the case of the long Covid or any other infection.
Mitochondria, Post-Viral Syndrome, and Cell Danger Response 8:00 In the case of chronic fatigue syndrome. 8:02 Yeah. 8:03 And the mitochondria also have a sensory function too, where 8:06 they're sensing that the viral load or the pathogen load is high. 8:10 And so they go into danger response. Right. 8:12 So they either have peacetime physiology or a wartime physiology peacetime. 8:17 They're producing lots of energy, low lower levels of oxidative stress, 8:21 wartime physiology. 8:22 They're producing very little energy at lots of oxidative stress 8:26 to protect themselves. 8:27 Almost like a shield, that they're putting up. 8:29 And therefore we feel it like we can, you know, feel great 8:33 one day, wake up the next morning, or even in the middle of the night 8:36 and just feel absolutely awful. Right. 8:38 And it's like a, you will notice sometimes 70, 8:41 80% drop, you know, in energy, within an hour or two. 8:45 Right. 8:46 And that's that cell danger response triggering in, you know, 8:50 and obviously viruses viral replication is a big factor with that. 8:54 Yeah. I think that's a really important part. 8:56 I'm glad you brought that up. 8:57 Is that the you know, the body is always trying to heal itself. 9:00 And oftentimes, you know, if it's inundated 9:03 with all of these infections, you know, and it doesn't 9:06 the mitochondria does not want to kick on because it's concerned 9:09 about this replication and what's going to happen. 9:11 It's going to go to sleep. 9:13 And then you're not going to produce your energy. 9:15 And so we have to remember that and we have to respect it. 9:17 And we have to listen to our bodies. 9:18 Because part of part of the process is the body is saying 9:22 you need to rest, and we're not going to produce the mitochondria. 9:25 And so that, you know, we take people through a four step process 9:29 in order to be able to remove these infections and toxins off 9:33 of the mitochondria, out of the mitochondria, decreasing the stress 9:36 on the mitochondria so that, you know, we can kind of free it 9:39 up, it can come back online and start producing the energy that you need to. 9:43 Yeah. 9:43 Let's talk about that four step process. 9:45 Break that down for us. Cool. 9:47 So the first step is to figure out what causes individuals have. 9:51 And so when I big picture whenever I'm looking at causes, 9:55 I'm looking at deficiencies and toxicity. 9:57 So those are the two categories. 9:59 So deficiencies or things that are not in the body that are supposed to be there. 10:03 These are hormones and vitamins and minerals and lifestyle habits and mindset. 10:08 Those are all deficiencies. 10:10 And then the toxicities are like the toxic five that I mentioned heavy metals 10:14 chemicals molds, infections and nervous system dysfunction. 10:19 And so and that's what we're assessing initially 10:22 to figure out okay, what are the causes that this individual has. 10:26 And we always address the toxic five in everybody that we work on. 10:30 Because that's what I found is the fastest way to get people better. 10:33 The question is just 10:34 which of the deficiencies do they have that we need to address as well. 10:38 So that's what we figure out in step one. 10:41 And step two we replace the deficiencies. 10:44 And you may say, 10:45 but Evan, you just said that this process is all about the toxic five. 10:49 And it's true. 10:50 And we do that in step four. 10:51 But we have to set the stage for success. 10:54 So by replacing the deficiencies that an individual has, 10:58 it makes them more resilient, decreases stress. 11:01 It oftentimes increases their energy just a little bit 11:04 and allows them to be more successful through the rest of the process. 11:08 And then in step three, we're opening up the detox or the drainage pathways, 11:12 the liver, the kidney, the lymph, the neural lymph that's in the brain, 11:16 the gallbladder, the intestines, these are all, pathways. 11:21 This is these are all the ways that we get toxins out of the body. 11:24 So we kind of have to open them up. 11:26 It's like it is your drainage system. 11:28 It is your pipes, essentially. 11:30 You know, if you've got a clogged pipe in your kitchen, right. 11:34 Nothing's flowing down there. 11:35 You have to make sure that it's patent, that it's open. 11:38 And then we get into step four and that's where we're removing the toxic five. 11:42 I'll see them again just because they're that important. 11:44 Heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections and nervous system dysfunction. 11:49 And what I've found is that if you're not addressing all of those, 11:52 you may get success, but you're not going to get all the way. 11:55 You're not going to get to the finish line. 11:57 Yeah for sure. 11:57 Is there a particular order when it comes to those toxic five? 12:01 Is there a particular order that you found to be more successful, or do you just go 12:04 in a sense, whichever is making the biggest impact? 12:08 Yes. And both of those. 12:10 So there is a particular order. 12:11 So we do want to free up in order to get rid of infections. 12:15 You have to have a somewhat intact immune system. 12:18 And the immune system is going to be very distracted by molds, 12:20 heavy metals and chemicals. 12:22 So we do start to go after those first. 12:24 And we have coverage for all of those. 12:26 And we essentially go after all of them at the same time. 12:29 But we start off by adding things for those first 12:32 so that the immune system can get freed up to help us get rid of the infections. 12:36 But we'll do molds, heavy metals, chemicals 12:39 and then start going after all of these and all of the infections, whether they're 12:43 viruses, bacteria, yeast, lime, spice, 12:47 rickets, parasites and the nervous system. 12:50 Retraining is happening throughout the program from the beginning. 12:54 Okay. 12:54 So you're you're targeting the 12:56 the molds, heavy metals and environmental chemicals first. 13:00 And then as you start to reduce those, 13:02 then you're going ahead and targeting different pathogens. 13:06 Correct. 13:06 And part of this is because, you know, I said about freeing up the immune system. 13:10 The other thing is that all of these toxins and infections 13:13 are all bound up together in a toxic matrix. 13:16 And so consequently, as you start to remove one of them, so as we start 13:20 to remove mold, it's going to release infections and heavy metals and chemicals. 13:25 Right. 13:25 And as we start to release 13:26 pull out heavy metals, it's going to release the other ones. 13:29 So we want to make sure that we have coverage for all of these 13:32 while somebody is going 13:33 through the process, so that as you release a toxin or an infection, 13:37 they can be addressed adequately. 13:39 That's good. 13:39 So the four step process correct me where where I get it off. 13:43 But first you're identifying deficient toxicities and deficiencies. 13:48 Number two is you're addressing deficiencies right. 13:51 So you mentioned nutrient deficiencies of course mineral deficiencies hormones.
The Four-Step Healing Process 13:56 Right. Those being kind of the main ones. 13:59 And then number three was opening up the drainage pathways. 14:02 So making sure I would imagine that's making sure people are peeing and pooping 14:06 their way to good health, making sure that lymphatic system in their brain is, 14:09 is, flushing, metabolites from the brain, neurotoxic metabolites. 14:14 And then making sure you know, basically everything's moving through the body. 14:17 We call it like a river rather than being stagnant like a pond. 14:20 Right. Amen. 14:21 And then that sets the stage for detoxification, getting rid of, 14:25 heavy metals. 14:26 You mentioned the top five molds, environmental chemicals, pathogens. 14:31 And, what was the last one? 14:33 So infections, nervous systems of function, nervous system dysfunction. 14:38 Exactly. Yep. 14:39 And so how big a role do you find that a nervous system dysfunction with that 14:43 that include things like poor vagal tone, hyperactive limbic system. 14:48 Is that what you're talking about there. 14:49 Absolutely. 14:50 So yeah. 14:51 So I we've included it as part of our program 14:53 just in the last six months, just because it's been that important. 14:56 Sometimes we tell people to go ahead and do, you know, a standalone program. 15:00 Good. Primal trust DNR is one of those. 15:03 But it's sometimes it's oftentimes when they join our program, it's hard 15:06 for them to do two programs at once. 15:08 So we've included 15:09 kind of like a basic and or more advanced version, our own program. 15:12 But it's essential. 15:13 You know, I find that people get better faster when they're doing it. 15:16 For some people, it's 90% of their issue, and for other people 15:19 it's 10% of their issue. So it's never a 100%. 15:22 But it can always make a really significant difference in people's lives. 15:27 And you don't know it's working until it's working. 15:30 So it's kind of like you do it for three months 15:33 and you may not notice anything, but then when you get to six months, 15:35 all of a sudden the lights come on. 15:38 And in context with all these other things that we're doing, 15:41 it just it fits so well and we're just seeing people, you know, 15:45 I had to embrace it and had to understand it had to do a deep dive on it 15:49 in order to be able to understand it fully and realize its potential. 15:53 And it's it's really essential. 15:54 You know, I tell people that you have to do it in order to be able to get better. 15:58 Our program. 15:59 Yeah. 15:59 So that so the people that really need that nervous system, reconditioning. 16:04 Right. 16:05 And or nervous 16:05 system regulation would be people that have undergone some sort of trauma, 16:09 maybe early childhood trauma, or trauma, obviously later in life as well. 16:13 So could be the kind of trauma that sometimes, you know, 16:15 people think, you know, sexual abuse, different things like that. 16:18 But also it even could be like a health issue that has traumatized them. 16:23 I know, like, for example, with my wife 16:25 we found so she was having chronic sinusitis, chronic sinus infections, 16:29 and they got so bad to her, her eardrum actually burst one time. 16:33 And she and then she would get real hyper, 16:36 you know, just any time she felt like any sort of, sinus issue, 16:40 she would get really worried and scared and and, 16:44 she would get, antibiotics right away. 16:45 And we found that actually, she had four cavities 16:48 where her wisdom teeth were taken out. 16:50 One of them was actually budding right up into her jaw. 16:52 So we got all of that fixed and she hasn't had a sinus infection since. 16:55 But with that said, I remember thinking, like, 16:59 she is so scared that her eardrum is going to burst again, right? 17:04 And now she now we've we've addressed it. 17:06 And even after addressing it, 17:08 it was like she would feel a little bit of sinus pressure. 17:11 And for maybe the first six months, 17:12 she wasn't sure that we had address the root cause. 17:15 And I felt like her stress would make her immune system function. 17:20 Obviously not, not as effectively, and drive more inflammation 17:23 and actually progress any kind of issues. 17:27 And this is the kind of thing, like sometimes 17:29 people have had a good childhood, but they may have had some sort of issue 17:32 with maybe Covid or the flu or, you know, a sinus infection 17:37 that creates this sort of panic response, this hyperactive limbic system. 17:41 Are you seeing that as well? 17:43 Absolutely. Very well said. 17:45 You know, the 17:47 you know, trauma is, you know, there's the significant abuse 17:50 that you talked about, 17:51 but it's really anything that changes the way that you see the world 17:54 and makes you believe that the world is not safe or you are not safe. 17:58 And so it can really be anything for me. 18:00 You know, I had a quote unquote happy childhood, but you have to remember that 18:05 when you are a child, you are being raised by imperfect parents. 18:10 You're surrounded by imperfect siblings and imperfect peers, 18:14 and they're all trying to get their needs met. 18:17 And so oftentimes you cannot get your needs met. 18:19 And if you feel unsafe at any point during that 18:22 and you've told your nervous system that that's the case, that will end up 18:26 changing the way that your nervous system develops and your immune system functions 18:30 and everything. 18:31 So I also had rejection of a peer group, 18:34 which happened a couple of the times in my life 18:36 that changed the way that I looked at the world. 18:38 Obviously medical school and residency, 18:41 you know, incredibly challenging changes the way, you know, 18:44 like I went into residency and I was like, you know, the human body is amazing. 18:49 And I'm, you know, I, I'm, I'm just a vehicle. 18:52 And they taught me that I can kill people 18:54 and that I need to be afraid of that every single moment of every single day. 18:58 Right. 18:58 And so it really changed 19:00 the way that I thought about myself and my safety in the world. 19:04 And then I got, I met my wife and, we fell in love, 19:09 and we and I went to India, and I got parasites and, 19:14 had, you know, these this stressor, that stressor, whatever. 19:17 Some, some other heavy metals, chemicals, molds, like, it all builds up, 19:21 and then all of a sudden there's a straw that breaks the camel's back. 19:24 And for me, it was stress at work and burnout. 19:27 And then consequently, I got my chronic fatigue syndrome. 19:30 So it is it is it is all of that that ends up happening. 19:33 And we have to make sure that we understand that we all have trauma 19:37 and we all have this nervous system dysfunction, 19:39 and that it's not just people who have really signally significant abuse. 19:43 Yeah. So important. 19:44 Now let's jump into, step number two, which was deficiencies were the most 19:49 common deficiencies that you're seeing in your population group. 19:54 So I call what I call the big 19:57 three are adrenals mitochondria and thyroid. 20:01 So everybody pretty much has adrenals and mitochondrial issues. 20:05 Adrenals manage stress in the body. 20:07 When you have the toxic five you're going to have stress 20:10 and consequently your adrenals aren't going to be functioning well. 20:12 If your adrenals aren't functioning well, 20:13 the rest of your hormones aren't functioning well. 20:15 And thyroid is incredibly common, especially for women 20:19 who are the main people that we see. 20:21 And especially after they've had a child. 20:24 So, you know, after delivery 20:26 is the number one time for a woman to get autoimmune thyroid conditions 20:30 because of how progesterone is elevated and the immune system, etc.. 20:33 So consequently, those are the big three where we start off by optimizing adrenals
Nervous System Dysfunction and Trauma 20:39 and then mitochondria, because those two will help improve thyroid function. 20:43 And then we do a subjective thyroid ramp up to get people to their ideal dosing. 20:48 Now we try not to spend too much time in step 20:51 two because this process is all about step four. 20:54 And you can get stuck in trying to finagle your your hormones, your sex hormones, 20:59 your vitamins, your minerals, whatever for extended periods of time. 21:02 But we try to do, you know, try to get through it in about a month 21:05 and a half so that people can continue moving forward. 21:08 Other, deficiencies, as we see vitamin D is very common. 21:12 Vitamin B12 is very common. 21:14 Magnesium is very common involved in over 500 different, reactions 21:19 and really important as part of a detox, process. 21:23 And also we use it to help 21:24 people get regular and make sure that they're not having constipation. 21:28 And so that when they get into step three, they can really get rid of those toxins 21:32 out of the stool. Best they can. 21:35 Yeah, for sure. 21:36 And so are we. 21:37 So we're hitting the deficiencies there. 21:40 Now we're moving into drainage. 21:42 What are you doing to help with opening up all the drainage pathways? 21:45 So there are a number of manual therapies that will recommend that people do. 21:49 You know, there's 21:49 some tapping on different lymph points that you can do throughout the body. 21:53 There's drinking three liters of water a day. 21:56 There's, you know, getting your golden what I call your Goldilocks 22:00 dose of movement. 22:01 And so that basically means trying to move 22:03 as much as you can without feeling worse. 22:05 So any sort of movement that you can get is going to be helpful 22:08 for moving the lymph and opening up these pathways. 22:11 And then we're using a lot of herbs, 22:13 you know, in order to be able to open up the liver and the kidney 22:16 and the lymph and the lymph and the gallbladder and the 22:21 and the intestines, you know, we're using some minerals, 22:23 like I said, magnesium to help with that as well. 22:25 But that's mainly what we're using in order to be able to open up 22:29 to be some of the what do you find to be some of the most helpful herbs? 22:33 So there's milk thistle. 22:35 I really like smile packs or sarsaparilla. 22:38 There's Berber, there is, 22:43 there's panela, there's parsley. 22:46 So Pinellas like more for herbs, Berber and milk thistle 22:50 and smile packs are more for like liver and for blood cleansing. 22:54 There's. 22:56 Let's see. 22:56 And acetylcysteine can be incredibly helpful. 23:00 Then that's not an herb. 23:01 That's a nutraceutical. 23:02 But there's there's a number. 23:04 I'm trying to think of what else we're using in the process. 23:07 There's dandelion, which can be really helpful for the lymph as well. 23:12 And then we also like to use products that are, energetically imprinted 23:15 and energetically tested to make sure that they're going to be helpful 23:18 for the most amount of people. 23:20 And in general, for step three and step four, we're using tinctures 23:23 so that we can ramp up, one drop at a time. 23:26 And I don't prescribe anymore. 23:28 And so everything that we're using is all natural and herbal vitamins, minerals. 23:32 Yeah. For sure. 23:32 And then what do you find to be the best products for detoxification, 23:37 for mold, heavy metals, things like that. Yeah. 23:39 So for mold we like to use a binder. 23:41 That's a combination of, charcoal and bentonite clay 23:46 and chlorella and zeolite, which is also really nice crossover 23:50 for helping out with the heavy metals, including silica and cilantro. 23:55 And then in terms of the infections 23:58 going after them with a number of herbs, you know, viruses. 24:01 I really like, to, and skullcap, Mandalorian. 24:05 And then, you know, for some of the, 24:09 some of the 24:10 Lyme type infections, we're looking at things like, 24:14 Trying to remember all the components of the different products 24:16 that we like to use. 24:17 So we're looking at cat's claw and band 24:20 role and stevia, among others. 24:24 Interesting to note there. 24:25 Stevia. 24:27 Yeah. 24:27 Stevia has got some good research on it, you know. 24:29 Yeah. For, for getting rid of Borrelia specifically. Yeah. 24:32 It got some positive benefits there outside of just the sweetness. 24:35 Correct. 24:37 Yeah. 24:37 I remember years ago I used to actually grow Stephen my backyard. 24:41 I'm going to start doing that again. 24:42 That's the best way to get it. Yeah. For sure. 24:45 Yeah absolutely. 24:45 Well this four step process seems really thorough. 24:48 So you're testing number one. You're doing lab tests. 24:51 You're doing what what other methods. 24:53 Obviously you're doing a patient history. 24:55 To kind of find out what are the key deficiencies you mentioned
Common Deficiencies and Drainage Support 24:58 like thyroid hormone adrenals, mitochondria obviously sex hormones. 25:02 And in some cases, as well as well as nutrient deficiency. 25:06 So you're doing testing. 25:07 You're also looking at the toxins, that, that, that need to be addressed 25:12 and then addressing those deficiencies, addressing the drainage pathways 25:17 and making sure everything is flowing in the body 25:20 and then going after and getting those toxins 25:22 right and binding and, and pulling those things out of the body. 25:26 And how long typically is your program, what kind of results are you guys seeing? 25:31 Well, let me just comment on something you said. 25:32 So, about 90% of the causes that we're looking at are, 25:36 can be determined by people's symptoms. 25:38 So we don't do a lot of laboratory testing so much anymore just because in 25:43 with my population of people with long Covid and chronic fatigue syndrome, 25:47 I've never met anybody who has addressed all of the toxic 25:49 five and hasn't gotten significantly or completely better. 25:53 So we we're we address the toxic five and everybody. 25:56 So we don't even test for heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections. 25:59 And you can't really test for nervous system dysfunction. 26:01 But we don't really test for those anymore. 26:03 You know I'll test for B12, vitamin D, thyroid. 26:08 Those are the main things because we're addressing 26:10 already adrenals and mitochondria, the sex hormones. 26:12 We can really tell based on symptoms. 26:16 The lifestyle 26:17 habits all need to be, you know, updated and remedied. 26:20 And then the mindset component, 26:21 which is part of the nervous system retraining anyway. 26:23 So, you know, a lot of people are surprised 26:25 when I say, yeah, we don't really test so much anymore. 26:27 I would say the two most important tests that we do, 26:30 one is to make sure that somebody is not living in a mold environment. 26:34 So we would like the Emma test to look at molds and mycotoxins in somebody's home. 26:39 And then the other one that you alluded to previously with your wife 26:42 is a cone beam CT scan of the mouth 26:46 to look and see whether somebody has hidden cavities, 26:48 because those are the two situations in which I found that I can't help 26:52 somebody as if they are living in a moldy environment 26:55 and it's not being remedied, or we're not getting them out. 26:58 And if they have hidden cavities, hidden infections in their jaw. 27:02 So really important. 27:03 Those are the two main tests. 27:04 But something about the cone beam is 27:07 because this is what happened to us, and I've heard other people have had 27:10 this happen to is we have great biological dentists out here. 27:13 In fact, I'm one of my friends, 27:15 great dentists, biological dentist, but great at taking mercury out. 27:19 Right? 27:20 All those types of things, fluoride free, but doesn't really know how to read 27:24 a cone beam x ray has not been trained to do that, to look for hidden infection. 27:29 And so he thought things were clear. 27:31 We had another biological dentist look at her cone beam. 27:34 She said everything was good, right? 27:36 But she kept having the symptoms, so we finally sent them out to Doctor 27:40 Stewart. 27:41 Not only who was basically, like the world renowned expert in this. 27:43 And he's out in Austin, Texas, and he said, there's at least 27:47 three infections in there, probably four, but I won't know till I open it up. 27:52 So we went out to Austin near Austin, Texas. 27:55 Sugar Land. 27:56 I can't remember exactly Sugar Loaf or something like that. 27:58 In Austin, Texas. And, he went ahead. 28:00 He did the procedure on her. Right. 28:02 And this is a little over a year ago, and, she's been great ever since. 28:07 Right. 28:07 And so you might get that X-ray done, but you also need it. 28:11 Need it, read by somebody that's an expert in this. 28:14 Yeah, that's a really good point. 28:16 We we have, practitioner up here in the, Tacoma area just south of Seattle 28:21 who also does muscle testing along with it, you know, but yeah, it's, 28:25 you raise a really good point. 28:26 You've got to get a read by the right person. 28:29 Yeah. So important. 28:30 Yeah, 28:30 that's a really good caveat that you said that if you're living in a moldy home 28:35 or if you have these hidden infections,
Detox Strategies, Testing, and Program Length 28:39 you can try to do all the things that we've talked about. 28:41 You can take the magnesium supplementation, try 28:43 to optimize your vitamin D, you're going to plateau. 28:46 You might notice a little bit of improvements. 28:47 I mean, a little bit better than nothing. 28:49 But you're not going to really resolve these issues. 28:51 And so that's why that is so important to be able to understand address. 28:55 And if you're somebody that has been plateauing, 28:57 those are definitely things you need to be looking at. 28:59 Right. 29:00 And obviously working with, you know, the energy method MD right here. 29:05 Can you know him and his team can really help you with that 29:08 and kind of figure out what's going on there? 29:11 Yeah. 29:12 And then your next question about the, about the program length. Yes. 29:17 So we start everybody off with a six month program. 29:20 What we really found that success comes from is, 29:23 is providing a personalized plan to everybody when they first come in 29:28 and then to, and we give them, a plan for what? 29:32 They're what we assume they're going to be doing over the next 12 months. 29:36 And then we provide them with really excellent support 29:38 along the way, and a great community of people 29:40 who are going through the same process, where 29:42 I guarantee your response to any question that somebody has in two business days. 29:46 So I answer questions Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays 29:49 in order to be able to guarantee this, in order to provide this guarantee 29:52 and so that's really, what I have found to be most successful. 29:56 Make sure you're addressing every single one of the causes that you have. 29:59 Make sure you've got really great support. 30:01 And so, you know, we start everybody off with a six month program. 30:05 But I tell people that the magic really happens around month nine 30:08 when you've removed a significant amount of the toxic five out of your 30:12 body and out of your life. 30:15 But you know 30:16 that it takes at least 12 months to get better, 30:19 you know, in a 12 months people might be 60% or 100% better. 30:22 We don't know. 30:23 It really just depends on how much of the toxins they have in their bodies 30:27 and how long it takes in order to get them out. 30:30 Yeah. So key to know. Absolutely. 30:33 Well, guys, you can check out Doctor Hirsch's information at energy 30:37 MD method.com energy 30:41 MD method.com is the place to go if you guys know anybody is dealing 30:45 with long-covid chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia. 30:49 He is a world renowned expert in this, and him and his team 30:52 are helping people all around the world. 30:53 So definitely check out again. 30:55 Check out energy MD method.com and any last words of inspiration for us here. 31:03 I think the biggest thing that people can do right now 31:05 is to work on their mindset. 31:07 You know you will get better.
Mindset, Recovery, and Closing Advice 31:09 You just really have to believe it and you have to follow through. 31:11 You have to follow a path. 31:13 You have to hire, a guide, whether it's me or somebody else, 31:16 whoever you resonate with, you have to take that next step. 31:19 It's just going to be the fastest way to get better. 31:21 But living in gratitude, having a vision for what your life is going to look like 31:26 when you're better 31:27 looking at any sort of limiting beliefs you have and slipping them into empowering 31:31 beliefs or affirmations, you know, telling yourself 31:33 that you're safe every single day. 31:35 I still tell myself I'm safe. 31:36 I'm loved. I'm enough. Every single day. 31:40 And then asking yourself empowering questions, don't ask yourself, 31:44 you know, why is this happening to me? 31:45 That's not really going to serve you. 31:46 Ask yourself, how can I love myself more today? 31:50 Or what is the next step that I need to take it on my healing journey, right? 31:54 And then just being open to receiving and then taking that next step 31:58 and don't stop until you hit the finish line. 32:02 Yeah. Love that. 32:03 Well thanks again, doctor Evan Hirsch guys. 32:05 Again check them out. 32:06 energymdmethod.com. 32:09 See you all in a future interview. Be blessed everybody.
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