Advanced Modalities For Using Energy To Heal​​

Introduction and Guest Welcome 0:00

I am so excited to have our next guest on. He's become actually a dear friend of mine and I first heard about Ken CLE, our next guest. When I was in Europe. I was traveling and I picked up the Wall Street Journal. I think it was like, I have the date written down here. August 27th, 2013. And I'm looking through the articles and lo and behold, there was an article where the headline said Thousand Dollar an hour attorney moonlights as an energy healer. Now, who's not going to read that article? That was a great headline.

And of course, I read it. And as soon as I read it, I said, I got to meet this guy. It was so intriguing to see somebody who was this esteemed lawyer, this esteemed professional, the one of the top bankruptcy attorneys in America that still practicing law but had gotten into energy healing. And you think of an attorney, you think of, you know, left brain and you think of energy healing, getting a right brain. And they didn't they didn't exactly mess when I first read it. But having met the person you're going to meet now, he is just such a wonderful, loving human being that's helped so many people.

And so Ken, it's it's my pleasure to welcome, welcome you to the Global Energy Healing Summit. Thank you for being with us. Well, thanks, Tom, it's such a pleasure to be here. I'm honored to be a guest on your show. Yeah. Now you have to tell us about your journey, because, you know, Ken was a graduate of Stanford in economics, got his law degree from Harvard, then was a practicing attorney and and bankruptcy law has this large firm.

From Law to Energy Healing 1:51

I've met you in your office. Is there a beautiful offices in Los Angeles and then even a professor of law at UCLA? How the heck did you get into energy healing? What happened? Tell us about that. Well, it certainly wasn't something I ever thought I'd be doing. What happened was this I had the pleasure to work at a law firm that had a sabbatical program. So every 5 or 6 years, the partners would get three months off of pay. And in the 1980s, I think it was 1983. My wife and I went to France. We were reflecting on our lives, and I said, you know what?

I have a great life. I have a blessed life. Except I have some pain in my back and that one serious pain, not debilitating pain, but pain, you know, that would prevent me from having full rotation of the neck. Yeah. So I said, I'd like to do something about this. And I reflected on my life and decided I would try massage, which for me was a real step. I into a different world. So I tried massage and the fellow who gave me a massage was a chiropractor, and he convinced me to try chiropractic. So I thought chiropractors were quacks.

I didn't believe in it, but I decided I would try it. I trusted this guy and I went to him and he crunched the neck and all this stuff and I'd have temporary relief, but the pain would come back in the back of the neck, and I would wonder why this was. Well, he and the doctors and everybody would say it's stress. But I didn't buy that because at that point in my life, I was causing a lot more stress and I would steal. I just kept looking for answers. And then one day, my dear wife Doreen came home and she said, I bid on an acupuncture session at a charity auction and I wanted.

And nobody's going to stick needles in me. You like strange things, you go try it. So I wound up trying acupuncture. I never would have tried it though. Wise. I got even more relief. I have about half my food allergies went away, and I found there was even deeper level of relief from the pain in the back of the neck. But it would come back. So I kept looking. It wasn't an obsession. It was just sort of, a quest or a hobby, to figure out what I could do to deal with this and where it was coming from and how it was working.

Then in 1997, my law firm know this retreat at the senior center, a ranch, just south of us, Santa Barbara and Montecito. Yeah, a lovely place. And, they provided a free massage as part of the service, for our firm. And, I signed up for something called a Reiki research. And this woman. Well, I'm fully clothed, right. So she's massaging. She's not touching the body, putting her hands around the body in different positions, and she patterning cosmic symbols. And after an hour, I'm in a blissful state.

No pain in the back and neck. Nothing. And I was just, you know, my jaw dropped. I said, how could this happen? What? What did you do? Yeah. And she said something like, oh, this is the radiance technique, authentic Reiki. I patterned cosmic symbols and activated the whole light energy. You and the light expanded and caused the pain to dissipate. And of course, I'm thinking to myself, surely, But some small part of me said, how can I learn how to do this? Yeah, because if I've got a sore neck or shoulder and I can take my hand over there and wave it and get the pain to go away, sign me up.

Yeah. So I started studying the radiance technique in December of 1997 and found that I actually had some aptitude to to work with it, and I kept it very quiet. I just started working on family and friends. Yeah. But about 14 months later, in January of 99, I was teaching at the UCLA School of Law, and we had a visiting professor from Australia. Desirous, was his name. He came up there and he wanted to go to lunch, and we went to lunch and we started going lunch. He started coughing and sneezing.

I said, what's going on? He said, I'm allergic to the eucalyptus trees and eucalyptus trees, you know, line the the campus drive there right between right and center and the lawsuit. So we're walking back from lunch and he starts coughing and sneezing again. I said, yes, so would you like me to do something to try to abate your allergies? That's a lawyer word for reduce. So, he said, sure.

Discovering Reiki and Pranic Healing 6:54

So I went into his office with him. I closed the door. I started doing the ratings that we've done here and got the allergies to clear up. And, he thanked me and he said, how would you like to see? So I said, sure and said, put up your hand. So I put up my hand and from across the room he goes like this with his hand. And I could feel something on the surface of my hand. Oh, I said, what are you doing? Because this is product healing. My wife and I own the franchise on this, and Australia. And of course I'm thinking to myself, well, if you can do that, why didn't you figure out?

But I didn't say that. I was thinking to force. Well, it turns out it was just enough to throw the energy. You didn't know the answer or the mechanics. His wife was really involved with it. Yeah. And so, I asked him what it was and how it worked. And of course, it turned out that, one of the centers of chronic healing in the United States was in Southern California. And so I started studying there and, met the grand master of chronic healing who was grand Master Chillicothe. Sweet, blessed memory. And, he took me under his wing.

Few years later I started meditating, because, Pranic healing has a meditative side called orthotic yoga. I started studying this and as soon as I started meditating my world changed because sending the energy up into twin hearts meditation and having the down flow of energy opened up my crown center. And all this information started pouring through. I would wake up, my hair would be standing up, and I would have knowledge, full body knowledge of healing modalities that wasn't there the day before. Wow.

And this was, you know, it was like something you'd see in a movie, but you wouldn't believe it. Yeah. So, from there, I started studying, different energy healing modalities. I studied, working with ulcers, which are wonderful, human energy healing tools. Doctor George Yale was an aeronautical engineer who's developed. You put micro crystals in, like, a little pendulum like this. All the spins can. It can show you where there's dysfunction in the various subtle bodies. And then I started looking into crystal healing and other things.

So most energy healers, focus on 1 or 2 things, and they get very good at it, and that's what they do. Right. And my path was different was to be eclectic. So I just started snowballing. And I decided in 2001 to incorporate a charity for my healing ministry called Clean Ministry. And set up the website, probably 9 or 10 years later because it was all word of mouth. So I have this website. It's pretty rudimentary at WW Clean Ministry Board, and I started ministering to people and doing healing services.

And I haven't looked back. It's been 20 years since then and I've worked on over 2000, probably 2500 people, from around the world. They used to fly in. And then during this pandemic, I started doing remote healings on zoom and, it's just been, a calling. It's amazing. And you worked on me. You worked on me, and you wouldn't help me out just earlier with some tension in my neck as we were getting going. You were working on me. I really appreciate that. I worked on you, Tom. I worked on other business people and lawyers and judges who otherwise would never have come into energy healing.

But because I is a lawyer and a professor, I had a credibility that drew people to it. And of course, the free publicity never hurt. So the LA times healing article, which I did not solicit, the L.A. Business Journal article, which I did not solicit, and the Wall Street Journal article, a front page article with a dot photograph and everything, which I did not solicit. Right. Was the universe, you know, pushing. Yes. This this process along. Yeah. And pushing you along to, Oh, yeah. Just to expand what you were doing.

Yeah. I know, and open to it. Yeah, yeah. Well, and it does help that you are kind of the face of it when they, when they see it because they're like, okay, this is not a guy that his whole life has been doing this or probably didn't even believe in it for part of his life, but they didn't believe it, you know. Yeah. I'm looking at a woman who airy fairy and somebody with a very, you know, attorneys have a very critical mind. They have to look for the flaws in things. And so that's one of the things that was now I believed in it already, but I was just even more excited about meeting you and finding out more about what you do.

And having you work on me. And one of the things that, I read about was how even when you are in, your role as an attorney, you work on harmonizing the energy for places you go into. Or there's an article in the Wall Street Journal, I think it talked about how one of your fellow law professors had gotten upset with students

Higher Sensory Perception and Diagnostics 12:24

the day before because they were showing up late, and how you came in and kind of harmonized the next day where everybody was getting along and she she talked about it, how the energy changed. So that's so cool how you use it not just for healing, but you really are changing energy and harmonizing and uplifting people wherever you go. Well, I had to really draw a line in the practice of law, because the practice of law is sort of a, zero sum adversary system for most. But if I'm hired as a mediator or an arbitrator and the purpose is reconciliation, then I'll bring the energy in.

But if I'm just going into a courtroom and in a knockdown, drag out litigation, I won't do it because I, I really feel it tilts the playing field. And I don't think it's right. But when it's when when it's the purpose of it is reconciliation and settlement. I'll do that. And of course, I do that in the healing side all the time. Yeah, I love it. And and you talked about earlier, like your journey included so many different modalities. That's one thing. Whenever I'm with you and it's, mind blowing, all the different things that you can access and call in, where do you get the capacity to learn all these different things?

Like you said, most people, they're really good at one. You're so good at so many things. How are you able to to do that? Well, there's a wonderful book on human dynamics, written by, Sandra Siegel and David Corn. And it gives various types of people and the way they process information. And this helped me enormously because I have the capacity of somebody that's called a physical mental. Those are my strong suits. And the physical mental is somebody that has lots of filters, can download and process lots of information sorted out and then spit it out very rapidly.

And it took me years to understand that the people in my classes and others couldn't process it as fast as I could pour it out, for the most part, right? Because you have different people who are hard wired in different ways. So it just so happened that I was that right time to be able to handle this tremendous synthetic approach. When I sat down to write my book on Introduction to Energy Healing, which is still in process and found I had over 65 different modalities, I had to give the rudimentary 85 101 makes an introduction pretty long.

Yeah, well, I hope that book gets out soon because I know everybody watching this will want to get that book and let's talk about let's talk about, energy healing. So somebody comes to you, what do you see? Explain kind of the process of what you see and how you work with them. And then later on, everybody, Ken is going to give us some things we can do to release anxiety and stress. But what's the process? Because, you know, I've been with you. I don't know exactly how you even when, when you look at me, but you just notice things.

You notice things when I'm around. I remember talking to you about my son one time, and he had had a concussion, and he was in Boston, and. But you said he still has something blocking there. And so what? What is it that you're seeing that you're working on? What what what's going on? What? There are four basic higher sensory perceptions. There's healing, which is called perceptions, which is the type of thing that's open. And a lot of people, we've had a situation where we go into a party or a meeting, and before anybody says anything, we either have a good feeling or a not so good feeling about that.

That happens through this process. There's person abuse. Their audience is hearing things. So not everybody that hears voices is crazy. Sometimes they just have this hearing perception of the inner planes open, and they hear things from the astral plane that most people can't see. Think about dogs hearing things above the range of human hearing. But dogs are hearing is very real. It's just not. Humans can hear it. So we don't. Yeah. Then there's C, which is called clairvoyance. Clairvoyance is misunderstood.

People use it to mean precognition, knowing what's going to happen before it happens. It has an aspect of that, but mostly clairvoyance and seeing the subtle energy fields around people's bodies. So, for example, if we look over your left shoulder and there will be a few clairvoyance watching this video, people can see the heavy energy off your left shoulder. It sort of sits there as a dark cloud. That's an example of clairvoyance. And then, if the crown is open, you have clear cognizance. I'm sure some of the old prophets, had this.

This is just knowing things, direct knowing through direct perception without having to think about it. And so where this comes in really handy is if I need to give an example, say I'm teaching a class or something like that. Yeah, I've got a room of 40, 50 people. I can pull somebody up and know exactly that. They have the condition I need that I'm illustrating the healing method for, and, it's it's just, a tremendous, tremendous gift. So you have all those modalities, you see all those things you describe you you have access to. Exactly.

And, and and so you use them, you can use them all. But I tend to rely on the clear cognizance more than the others because you can get distracted from the other sensory perceptions. They are still sensory perception. They're just higher sensory perceptions. Yeah, but but the knowing when it happens, is, you know, it's really, accurate. Yeah. So that's, that's how it works.

Entities, Thought Forms, and Possession 18:30

And then of course, there diagnostics. Right. I mean, I couldn't be the analytical person I am without checklists and things like that that I can run through my head. They're very fast paced and I can muscle test things and check where things are. You know, if I see somebody, I'll check their chakras. And so for you, I'll say, oh, there's something in your third and fourth chakra in your sixth chakra. And then I'll go through and I'll clear those things out in the right order. And yeah, stuff like that.

So there are analytics you can do if you come across a block and you're not quite sure what to use. Yeah. That's amazing. That's amazing. Wow. Unbelievable. So what when you talk about, you talk about, people hearing things and they're not all crazy. I've also, heard you talk about other entities that are out there that might even attach to us. Can you talk a little bit about that? Sure. So the fact of the matter is, is that we're not alone. Yeah. And there are all sorts of, unseen entities, that at least most people don't see.

Some feel them, some see them and feel them, and they run all different kinds of categories. Nature spirits, actually, exist and are prevalent. But what you're talking about are the astral entanglements that people have, the, the cords that they have back and forth, the hooks, the entanglements that, humans can have with, each other. And, this can travel across time and space and, can create dysfunction in the body. And it's there. But there are also, wayward spirits, you know, we don't do a very good job of teaching people how to die.

And so a lot of times when the physical body is dropped and the spirit persists after death, people don't know to move on to the light. We've got a lot of earthbound spirits. Some of them have desires, and they have no body with which they act out their desires. So they're looking for a body to come into to satisfy their needs and their desires. It's not malicious on their part for the most part. It's just that you know, bodies are in short supply. Yeah. And so sometimes you'll see that. And that's called a spirit exorcism or a spirit possession that needs an exorcism to get it out.

But then there's also demonic possession. So, this sounds, a lot worse than it often is. Every time we have a negative thought in our rational mind is great at being unrealistically hypercritical and demanding and expecting perfection every time we create a negative thought. If we reinforce it enough, we create our own little invisible demons, if you will. That can take over the body, usually when we're tired or hungry or whatever. And they have to be taken out as well. Sometimes you can see them, you know, sitting off people and stuff like that.

So let's talk about that for a second, because people that have studied kind of New Age thinking, they've heard thoughts or things, thoughts are energy. You're actually saying that we're even creating sometimes our own little demons that are entities that exist, that originated from the thought. Is that what you're saying? Absolutely. And most of the ones that, aren't very positive, come they're fear based. And, you know, fear being the opposite of love from another perspective. And the fear can actually create these little thought forms, and they actually have a bone chilling cold energy to them.

And they have different, you know, grades and characters. But, you can see them in and around the body and, they need to be taken out as well. Yeah. So I'm as I'm hearing you talk, I can just imagine you as like, a young man looking at this today going, who is this guy right now? I want to believe this. Any of it I would have thought of. Absolutely. You know. Yeah, this this guy should be committed. Yeah. And thank God you had the courage because, you know, you were not just an attorney. You were at the top, top, top, but you were the Michael Jordan of bankruptcy attorneys.

It it took a lot of courage, I'm sure, to, to come out and start doing this work. It it did. But there are two basic human emotions that come up with this stuff. One is curiosity and the other is fear. And the curiosity is because it's so new and interesting and implausible, and the fear comes up from, because if this is true, then we have to reconceive our whole notion of what the universe is, how it works and what's true. Yeah. And for people who are control based and want security and predictability and, you know, no one ever understand everything and how it works.

You know, if you've got a real aversion to change or the unknown, you run as fast as you can for this stuff. Yeah. So for me, thankfully, there was very little fear and a lot of curiosity. And so I just pursued. Yeah. And what happened when people started hearing about it, like your reputation in, in the, in the law field, obviously you're still very esteemed and people seek you out. So, I mean, there probably some people that said, hey, what's going on there? But. Well, yeah. And even within my firm, you know, I think about half the people thought I was nuts and the other half were open to it.

I don't think I ever lost the case because of it. It's certainly not something I force on people. Yeah. Unless they ask for it. My opponents have tried to use it, and it's,

Stress, Anxiety, and Reframing the Mind 24:30

I think the funniest thing that ever happened to me. You know, in my older years, I started doing expert witness work. And so when you're hired as an expert witness, you have your deposition taken, and, I had some fellow cross-examining me, asking me about, you know, my profession and all this. And do you have any other professions? And I said no. And then he was, you know. What about this? And I said, well, this is a hobby. It's not a profession. And at the time it was I didn't pay myself anything at the time.

Yeah. When I started paying my healing in terms after the journal article, I started paying myself something to, at the time, I didn't. Anyway, he tried to, you know, make me look, like my credibility was being impeached. But at the break, he said, hey, can you work on my back? I got back and I just got the biggest kick out of that. That's awesome. What a great story. Talk a little bit about dis ease. Well, why why does it show up? A lot of people watching. You probably have some dis ease. What?

What is. Yeah. What is disease? Disease. Disease is disharmony. It's it's it's whether it's an actual disease, like a virus or a parasite or a fungus or whether it's just a part of the body where there's an ache and pain. It's all about vibration. You know, if you think about it, Tom, at an energy level, all we are is vibration. We're just a bunch of atoms vibrating around. Yeah. If the atoms are harmonic and they're synchronous, life is good. If they're in disharmony and they're locked or or tangled, then, disease can resolve.

And this can be anything from as mild as a headache or, muscle knotting up to, severe dysfunction in the body. What, what science would call dread diseases. And, there are hallmarks of, characteristics of these different diseases. But essentially when you come right down to it, it's just about taking error or disharmony and turning it into harmony or truth. Yeah that's awesome. And that's what your work does. Yeah. It does through one modality or another. It's all that's really the bottom line. Yeah.

So let's let if we can let's give people something they can use because right. You know right now and you know in not just right now but so many people struggle with stress. We talked about anxiety all these emotions trying to keep up. We just have this, we're coming out of now, the, you know, the Covid era where we got locked up. A lot of people experience stress around having, you know, everybody around them for long periods of time. We love that. In my house, having the kids back was a lot of fun.

But for some people it's stressful. Their stress and some of their businesses. What can people do to release stress and anxiety? Well, one of the basic things they can do is to reframe their thinking. You know, the rational mind and the ego, as I said before, like to reach out and grab and control everything and have certainty, predictability. Yeah. And be able to grasp what they're doing. The universe doesn't work that way back. We're constantly seeing creation and destruction. We see it in the microcosm.

Science acknowledges that in the macrocosm, but it happens in the microcosm to and to the extent we can embrace change and make it an ally and go from a Yang mode into, again, mode, or just allowing things to come to us and trusting that life is going to unfold just the way it is. And recognizing that the lessons that we face, the so-called obstacles are opportunities for our soul to grow. So the rational mind which expects perfection and everything we do don't buy into those thoughts. You're not your thoughts.

Start watching the negative thoughts that come out of your head and pop the thoughts that don't serve, and then just engage the thoughts that are in line with harmony and oneness and love and peace. And you will have a much, much happier life. Yeah. No. But yeah, stop on that one though. You said pop the thoughts that aren't. And what do you mean when you say pop the thoughts? What do you mean by that? Okay, so most people are simply reacting to their thoughts. If they haven't have a negative thought in their head, like lawyers are very good at fears about what can go wrong.

So the human is one of the only animals that can think him or herself sick. Right. Do you think yourself sick. Think about how sick that is. Yeah. Means, zebras on the plane. They sit there. If there's a line that comes, they jump into action, try to run away. But other than that, they sit there, they see their target eat the grass. Yeah. People need to be a lot more like that. And so you can do it by stepping back and watching the thoughts that come out of your head, not just knee jerk reacting to them.

If you see a thought that you don't like, take any teenage girl, write every pimple on her face is the end of the world. Yeah. You can you can know that. Wait a minute. No, I'm not ugly. I'm not going to mean it. I never to get married or have friends or be attractive. And and you can you can take the thoughts that come out and negate them, whether it's watching them as a bird flying through clouds, watching them as a ripple in a pond, or taking a pen in a bubble and popping them, which metaphor?

What I like to do. Yeah, and I like some have exploding bouquets of flowers.

Past Lives, Lineage, and Healing the Soul Line 30:30

Whatever it is, whatever metaphor works for you to, yeah. Do it. You can watch your thoughts and not buy it, but there's something else you can do as an exercise. Yeah. And, I have a couple of, free meditation things on my website. Okay. One is clearing the chakras, which is very helpful. The other is raising your vibration, which is extremely healthy because the anxiety comes from this, you know, distrust of what's going to happen. So if you know how to meditate, you can meditate on trust, but you can always raise your vibration and learn how to do this.

And if you watch this video just a few times, you'll be able to do it yourself. And then you're not going to be able to prevent the cycles of life, right? Because life goes through cycles. That's just the way it is. It's part of the law of cycles. But what you can learn how to do is to stretch out the peaks and to move more quickly through the valleys. I love that when and as you said, like people are addicted to certainty, they want to know exactly what's going to happen next and that tomorrow is going to be pretty much like today.

And it's just not the way the world works. But it's actually pretty amazing that it's not the way the world works, because it allows creation. Like even somebody who's sick today, do you want do they want to know for certainty that I'll be sick again tomorrow? They don't. They want things to be changing and life gives that opportunity. It gives that opportunity to create. So if we get excited about that, instead of fearing that, it's pretty cool way of looking at life. I think it is. But the ego may have a fear of change and it may be inherited, or it may come from a past life.

And so you have to really meditate into it to get underneath and start changing your whole outlook. That's why I said embrace change and make it an hour. Yeah. Hey, talk a little bit about that. You just brought something up. Sometimes. And I've just read about different things where you've done where somebody comes in and you found that this was something not even created by them. Whatever's going on in their life, it was something inherited from, a past life or maybe a relative or something like that.

Can you talk a little bit about that? Sure. Well, I think of the lifetime as the intersection between the soul line, all that, all the life times past, present and future and the lineage that the mother and father ancestry. Right. So if you just look at playing lineage and, epigenetics is recognizing this, you inherit more than just your good looks, right? I mean, you inherit habits that your ancestors have, predilections for certain diseases, certain gene markers. And you can inherit something that, will open and blossom that particular age.

Now, you don't have to have that happen. You can go in and you can view it. And when it's inherited, you can feel the whole lineage. So you can go to the most ancient ancestor who had it even in them, even if they're dead and, and take it all the way down through the lineage, through the descendants. The other thing you can do, though, is occasionally something will happen. It's based on a past life. So I had a woman who was gagging in her throat and choking and whatever, and another woman who was afraid of water.

It turns out they had one had been harmed by the neck and the other had drowned. Wow. And they both had, throat issues around parsley experiences, their current life. They had no frame of reference for it, but it was there. So you go back to the past. Life declared in the past life, and then you clear the soul line all the way to the present and through the rest of this life and the future lives. And it can make, you know, a world of difference in a lifetime of suffering. It can be gone in an instant.

Yeah. And clearing things from the past, even generations back then, as you clear the lineage, it clears it for your children and people beyond. It doesn't mean they don't have to live with it, which is really amazing. Exactly right. And that's why if I do a healing on a young lady, I not only heal her, but I heal the aches that she's carried. Oh, wow. Wow. Very cool. So what is your hope for energy healing? I know at one point in time you talked about maybe, developing a device that could measure energy so it it becomes something people can, you know, maybe believe in a little bit more.

I mean, I believe in it. You believe in it. Many people do. But some people, they have to see it, you know, verified by some mechanism. Is that something that you're working on or, I would be happy to collaborate with somebody who's an inventor to work on this. Yeah. I've approached various institutions that I won't name here that are well-known,

Measuring Energy and Closing Remarks 35:30

to do this research and development, and nobody's taken me up on it. Okay? It's not difficult. If I can see you and see these energies and I can get, you know, 80 or 85% of the people I work with to be able to do this, we've got to be able to develop an apparatus that can measure it so that if I go into your field and I say, oh, there's this density over your left shoulder, and I can wave some wand in there and they can put a needle on a screen, and then I wave my hand or take a crystal and clear it out and show that it's changed and the needle on the screen and shows the difference.

Then science is going to have to pay attention to this. Yeah. So they they assume that the burden of proof is with anybody who doesn't do what they do. They put the burden of proof on me. They have no right to do it, but they do it. And so I say, okay, look, we're not going to get them to change their paradigm unless you can measure it. Have it double blinded and verifiable. They're not going to change. So that's just the way they are. Why, you know, fight City Hall. So what we need to do is develop that apparatus.

Well, I had a client the other day who told me, you know what? That apparatus is already there. She had a heart, a rhythm, and she had a monitor inside. It was measuring everything. And I did an energy healing honor, and it cleared completely. And she said all of the doctors saw it and couldn't explain it, but they had, you know, verifiable evidence. Well, I want to go way beyond, you know, that. I mean, that's just the person with, with with arrhythmia. And so whether you're doing this with MRI's or whether you're doing it by designing this apparatus that can actually measure the subtle energies and the subtle energy bodies, if you can, if we can have electron microscopes and we can see, you know, electrons and electron clouds, we've got to be able to this.

There's like a device that can measure these blockages in the field. And once we do that, then these worlds come together. Yeah. Because then science has to pay attention to more than just the physical body. You know, there's already a psychiatrist and things like that do. But for the most part, science is here's the physical body. Let's cut it out. Let's put drugs in it. Let's irradiated, let's said broken bones. That's their frame of reference. Once we can design the apparatus, then they'll see the ethereal, the emotional, the mental, the astral, the causal and the spiritual bodies.

And they'll see all the blockages that are off body causing the dysfunction or the disease. Then all these years, they've ignored because they don't acknowledge. Yeah, yeah, they're really working on the symptom, not the cause. Right. Most of the time, if, you know, if you break a bone, yeah. Then they can send. Sure. Oh that's amazing. Well, you are a treasure and I just I'm so thankful that you came on our summit. I hope everybody reaches out to you and goes to your site. So it's clinically ministry.org.

Yeah. And you have different classes. You do to train people in energy healing. You have different, evening meditations that you do where, they, they change their energy there. And you even work on some people, the ones I've been in. So I hope people will reach out. You are. You're just an amazing human being and an amazing soul. And I'm just so thankful that you're a friend of mine and part of my life. So thank you so much for being on here, Ken. Thanks, Tom. It's been an honor to participate here.

And if people want to go to their website and sign up for the Satsang, because I teach on Tuesday night, Pacific time, 6 to 7, twice a month. Awesome. And they're free. And it is by donation. Yeah. Beautiful. All right. Thank you so much. Can keep doing your amazing work. You are helping shift the energy on the planet. And we're so grateful to have you doing this amazing work you do. So God bless you and thank you so much. Thank you. For.