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William Pawluk, MD, MSc, author of “Supercharge Your Health with PEMF therapy”, was recently a holistic doctor near Baltimore, MD. Previous academic positions at Johns Hopkins and University of Maryland. Training: acupuncture, homeopathy, hypnosis, energy medicine, nutrition and bodywork. Considered the foremost authority on the practical use of Pulsed Electromagnetic... Read More
Leigh Erin Connealy, MD is a prominent leader in the Integrative & Functional Medicine medical field (taking the best of all sciences, including conventional, homeopathic, eastern medicine, and the new modern medicine). She is the Medical Director of two amazing clinics “The Cancer Center For Healing” & “Center For New... Read More
- It is important to treat the whole person and consider cancer as a lifetime commitment. Focus of treatment needs to be on prevention, not only of developing cancer the 1st place but also in preventing progression and spread. Treatment approaches need to be based on scientific testing and patient specific protocols need to be developed that are layered and multi-focused. PEMF therapy is important in helping with general health and especially with pain and inflammation.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, this is Dr. Pawluk and this session is with Dr. Connealy, the famous Dr. Connealy and I am not going to introduce her because she does a much better job than I can. So this particular session is about PEMFs and their use in cancer and Dr. Connealy has a significant experience with PEMFs and cancer. So, Dr. Connealy please tell us about yourself.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Oh, well, nice to have, be part of this journey together today. So yeah, so my name is Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D. and I am a medical doctor in Irvine, California and I’m the Medical Director for Cancer Center For Healing and Center For New Medicine and we are a medical clinic that combines the best of conventional Western medicine with all kind of complimentary therapies, that might be nutrition, that might be specific IV treatments, it might be PMF therapy, it might be ozone, it might be hyperbaric oxygen, so we designed a roadmap and a treatment protocol depending on what the patient has. We treat everything from human optimization to stage four cancer at our clinic and I’ve been practicing for about 35 years now and we have an amazing group of individuals that are very passionate about our mission in Irvine, California and so I got into this a long time ago. I was born in Houston, Texas and I’m number three of six children and I, my mother was bleeding when she was pregnant with me and so she went to her doctor and this was in the fifties and she said, oh, I’m bleeding and the doctor said, oh, okay, we have this medication that can stop the bleeding and prevent the loss of your baby. So of course, you don’t wanna lose your baby so my mother took the medication, so 16 years later, my parents received a letter that I had been, that my mother had been given a medication that she, I also received and that medicine was called DES, diethylstilbestrol.
For people out there that don’t know what that is, ’cause that’s not a medication that they use today, it’s a very potent estrogen and so they found out in the offspring of the women who took DES, that both male and female offspring got cancer, hormone problems, infertility problems, anatomical problems, and a whole, just all different things. So, I started going to a cancer hospital when I was 16, so I was living in Houston and MD Anderson is one of the largest or the largest cancer institute in the, probably in the world, people go there from all over the world and so I started getting exams and biopsies and all kind of things starting at 16. Anyway, I was really good in biology and I said, what could I do that I could be scientific and talk to people? So I said, oh I can be a doctor, so I went to college and got my degree in biology and then I went to medical school in Chicago and then after Chicago, I went to Harbor General and Torrance in UCLA and then I realized through all this that the treatment of patients with medicines and surgeries are great but what are we doing to really prevent and be proactive and be precise about patient’s health? So I grew up pretty natural, meaning eating natural foods and my mother was pretty natural and didn’t believe in using medication, so fortunately I already had that and then I met a pathologist from Houston, Texas and he was an internist pathologist. So he started mentoring me about disease and outside the box treatments and then my patients were very interested in doing different things and so they would bring in information to me and they’d go, Dr. Connealy, what do you think about this? What do you think about that? What do you think? And I’m like, well, I don’t know, lemme go check it out.
So I go check it out, I’m like, oh my God, I really need to know about this, this sounds very fascinating and from that point on, I have been learning about new cutting edge treatments to help patients as opposed to harm and hurt patients and a lot of the medical profession, yes, we are phenomenal in emergency medicine, I mean, we are top rated if we have an emergency situation but for chronic illnesses, which is all, most of the population has chronic illness, is that we don’t have good treatments available. Most of its medications, some of it’s more treatments, more injurious things to the patient, so I’m always trying to think outside the boxes, how can we salvage the patient and do the very best for the patient without harming, hurting them and harming them and they have quality, great quality of life and then if I get a patient who’s really healthy and they just wanna be really healthy, then I’ll say, okay, here’s what you need to do, these things and I see those patients once a year and they know how to take care of themselves and self care is going to be the new healthcare, ’cause we cannot take care of more and more and more sick patients. 60% of the population is suffering from a chronic illness, there’s 10 prescriptions written per man, woman and child, US ranks 43rd in the healthcare in the world and we spend twice as much, so obviously the paradigm that we’re practicing is not working and so we must all cooperate, collaborate, how do we take best care of the patient? Why aren’t we preventive proactive, precise and personalized with each person? So that’s my mission, is to transform the landscape of medicine, that people learn how to take care of themselves and take personal responsibility, I know everybody’s not going to but at least the ones that we can and will, we can change the way people are taking care, of the way their outcomes are and we can improve and that’s what our job is, all of us, is how do we show up the best for ourselves everyday and how do we take the best care of someone else.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I couldn’t possibly repeat that but I do have to say that I agree and I, my resonance with what you’re saying, I used to tell my patients, I’m an unhappy doctor and the reason I’m unhappy is I’m not happy until I solve your problem, I’m not happy until I find solutions for you to be able to help yourself. I don’t wanna be the one that solves your doctor, I’m not your doctor, you’re your doctor, I’m gonna consult for you, I’m gonna be your consultant who can tell you how to be your own doctor to the best you possibly can and we can’t solve the world, we can’t possibly solve the problems of the world. One of my colleagues told me some time ago, a mind forced to change its will is over the same opinions still.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah, that’s very true.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So, if they come to us, they’re already motivated, they’re already turned that corner, so if I went downtown into a major city in the US and stood on a corner and tried to convince people to take care of themselves, what kind of reception am I gonna get?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Very, very little, if any.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Truly, so really people have to come to that point themselves, they say, they look at their problems and cancer is a perfect example, they look at their problems and say, okay, this is an important message to me. I can’t do what I did before ’cause that’s how I got here in the first place, I gotta get off that horse or out of that car or off that bus or whatever, I have to do something different and so our patients are motivated.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah, they’re motivated, that’s right and I always say, when the student is ready, the teacher will arrive.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
The teacher’s already there, the student is gonna arrive to the teacher.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
The student, exactly, yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
We’re not traveling around, we’re here, so here I am, here to build it and they will come.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That’s right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So wonderful, so how did you get into the cancer area?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Well, that’s an interesting story, so I had had abnormalities myself and my whole goal since my information, I said, okay, I’ve gotta prevent cancer. So, I would go to conferences and I met this gentleman who had a sarcoma at the age of 22 years of age and he, I’m meeting him at 50 something years of age, so I went over there to talk to him ’cause he had a booth at one of the anti-aging conferences, which you’re probably familiar with and so he told me his whole life story and I go, okay, I need to know what this guy knows because here he has sarcoma, which is tumor of muscle and bone and he survived this long, they don’t survive this long, this guy knows what I need to know. So sure enough, he took me under his wing and took, this was 24 years ago and I learned all about his journey, what you need to do in a cancer patient, from everything from Infrared Sauna to coffees, to electricity, to herbs, to everything and then I learned you have acupuncture points on your fingers and toes that correspond to every organ in your body and if you detect energy imbalances, there’s a problem ’cause energy precedes action and people don’t understand that and when you talk about energy, people think, oh you’re woo woo and I’m like, no, everything is energy, Einstein’s been saying that forever and everything is energy. We are a bio energetic machine and people just don’t quite understand that ’cause they just look at you and you’re this 3D person but you’re energy and so anyway, he taught me how to look at the 10 years of a patient’s life because cancer’s 10 years and you can detect if cancer or imbalances in your body are occurring. So I learned that, like I said, 24 years ago and that’s part of my workup with the patient, is bio energetic testing using acupuncture points. We call it.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
EAV.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah, EAV, you know all about it, okay and so I, that’s part of the protocol and so that is, so then about 12 years ago, 13 years ago, I saw cancer rates going up so I referred to an oncologist locally and he and I had a really good relationship and he said and then I met Dr. Contreras from Oasis of Hope and he goes, I’ve never met anyone that I wanna partner with, Dr. Contreras said to, he says, look, I wanna set up a clinic in the USA. So sure enough, I got the oncologist to go to Mexico with me, we all meet, he sees it, he understands it but he’s going to be the oncology part, I’m gonna be the.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Integrated medicine.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah, exactly and so anyway, we started this with one or two patients and to where we are today and now I’m not with Oasis of Hope because patients knew about the USA presence and they’re not gonna wanna go to Mexico. So anyway, I’ve still maintain great relationship with Dr. Contreras and everything. So now and we set up the clinic where we are now, The Cancer Center For Healing, we changed our name and created our own name and so I, my whole goal, my mentor’s goal was to set up many clinics and they would be quick checked to see if patients have cancer and so but like you said, nobody’s interested in prevention, they are only interested when they’re on their death bed unfortunately and we’ve got to change that narrative because we’re getting patients already in their pathway of chronic diseases when they don’t need to go there and this starts from in utero, which you know, all of this starts in utero. So we’re doing our best to awaken humanity.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I used to teach family physicians, so I’ve been on the faculties of a number of universities and I would teach family physicians and I used to say, what’s the definition of a family physician? It was the practice of medicine from basically cradle to grave. I could get into trouble for what I’m gonna say next and then I said, well, no, my view expanded, I said, no, it’s from erection to resurrection and I said, no, no, it’s way beyond that, it’s from the sparkling the eye to the trickle in the sky. So it spans way beyond even in utero, ’cause it’s what you’re bringing to the table in the first place as a mother.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That is correct.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Nevermind your ovaries and never mind your eggs.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That’s right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
What’s your body and even people are talking about the psyche of the mother is so important to the baby, has nothing to do with the genetics anymore.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That is true, you’re right and that’s what I always tell any young couple that comes to see me and I go, no, you and your partner need to sit down and set your intention. You are about to create a miracle so you need to get healthy from head to toe and you need to get healthy, you’re absolutely right and people don’t know that Dr. Pawluk and we need to let people serve six months, get their body physically healthy and mentally, emotionally healthy because how this person thinks is the information you’re sending to your baby and then the mother is downloading all her toxins, mental and physical so it’s, you’re absolutely right. So I am glad that you are in alignment with me about that because sometimes I feel alone, that I’m the only person saying this but it’s true.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, I say there are three types of doctors, there’s the doctor who could be a doctor of physics or a doctor of philosophy or a doctor of engineering or a medical doctor, that’s a doctor, so basically they come out of medical school and residency training knowing stuff. That’s basically a technician level, it takes a while of being at practice to finally say, it’s not working or I found this miracle, I found this working better than what I was taught in medical school, that works better. So eventually, what happens is many doctors become physicians, now they start looking at the person and eventually what happens is that some of those physicians actually become healers, that’s my hierarchy, doctor, physician, healer and the shaman of a ancient tribes, that’s what they were, they were the healers. Now they used techniques and methods that are like somewhat woohoo and it doesn’t always work because the person still has responsibility for their health and their mindset, as you say, is the key, is the really critical factor but let’s go back to physical. We still have to do all that and I also say to people, you can’t build a house without bricks and mortar.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That’s right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You have to have an idea first, you have to be motivated to build a house, then you have to have the supplies, the equipment to build a house, you have to break, have to have the bricks and mortar, you have to have a plan, have to put in place plans and then you have to organize the workers to put in those plans and you need energy and you can do it by manual, you can do it manually or you could do it with electrical, basically, you can do it with power and so when you have power, you could do it much faster and so when you add all those things that you’re saying, the nutrition, the psychic, the energy, the lifestyle, you can’t cure cancer, watch the word cure but you can’t cure cancer without all of that being in place, there’s no single solution.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Well, that’s why I always tell patients that cancer just didn’t appear today, this started approximately 10 years ago and we must change the unwell terrain or garden that this cancer came in, so it involves all the things you’re thinking and talking about because people always think a little surgery, chemo and radiation and this is the sad part of conventional medicine, is they think that popping a pill, doing a little surgery, doing radiation is going to solve the puzzle and we know that Nixon declared war in 1970, the cancer rates are the highest they’ve ever been, one out of two men and about 41% of female and we aren’t making any inroads really in cancer because one, the cure for, we know the cure for cancer is prevention but that doesn’t sell, so now we’ve gotta just really educate, educate, educate people on self care and part of the self-care is the biological, the electrical and the emotional, those three things really. Now we’re simplifying it, it’s not as simple because it’s gotta be in and day out, your body’s a 24 hour machine miracle and you’ve gotta give it and then we’re living in this unkind world of environmental pollutants, unwanted electrical fields, loss of the magnetic field of the earth and we have decreased oxygen, so we have a lot of undesirable environmental features that we need to take into consideration when we take care of a patient, that’s why we need all these other accessory things to help us all get better.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well and as a primary, as a function medicine doctor, as a holistic doctor as well, I hadn’t been doing it for as long as you have, you’re my hero. So you were earlier to the game than I was but all of that’s important and PEMFs, I added PEMFs later in the game, not because of cancer but because of all the other things that PEMFs were doing and I was mentioning to you that I started my journey with acupuncture and I discovered when I was doing acupuncture, that PEMFs did more than acupuncture and you mentioned you have somebody in your office who does acupuncture but likes GMOs as well.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yes and that’s what he loves.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Why GMOs? What is acupuncture? The acupuncture system is a DC current system, it’s energy, it’s an electrical current system in the body, not the way we normally recognize it but it’s one great big circuit that runs 24 hour cycles and turns out that PEMFs stimulate that electrical circuit because it’s electromagnetic and that’s the second force of the universe, electro and magnetic are coupled, you cannot separate the two and every atom in our body, every atom in our body is electromagnetic.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That’s right, electromagnetic field and I don’t know, Dr. Pawluk, have you ever read the book “The Secret of Life” by Dr. Lakhovsky?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yes, I have.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah, it’s amazing and he talks about that’s exactly, we’re all electromagnetic fields and that’s why we’re all capable of receiving and transmitting energy.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
We transmit, we are transmitters, we have something called magnetite in our bodies, have you ever heard of magnetite?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yes.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So we have billions and billions of molecules of magnetite in our brains, billions, it’s amazing how much magnetite we have, so it’s magnetic oxide crystals and those crystals are like a tuner, like a radio tuner, a crystal tuner set. So what do they do? They receive and they transmit.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Transmit.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So they’re both and PEMFs affect magnetite ’cause it’s magnetic, so magnetic fields affect that. Yeah, we’re amazing organisms and we tend to think we’re tissue.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah, unbelievable, I tell people every day I’m in awe of the new thing I get to learn every day and so it’s beautiful.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And the more tools you can apply, it gives you more flexibility and you ultimately are much more efficient.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
And I get patients that are very ill, so my, a lot of my patients unfortunately are stage four cancers and they need lots of reparation on many, many levels and especially if they’ve done lots of injurious, immunosuppressive treatments and a biopsy, surgery, chemo and radiation and medications are very immunosuppressive and injurious, so any time a physician gives a treatment, they need to be doing the contra lateral support for everything they do if they do something. So if you give a medicine, what nutrient deficiencies, what mitochondrial problems does it have, et cetera and every procedure is very significantly affecting the human organism and so, and medicine is not designed like that as you know, we’re not, we are all designed to do this blood work, give this medicine, do this procedure, see you later, goodbye. It’s not about restoration of the human organism, so what I try to do is restore them to the optimal function and in my stage four cancer patients, it’s amazing what I can do just by giving them all the supportive, energetic, IV treatments, they come in here like they don’t have cancer ’cause you teach them how to coexist with their illness and because chemo doesn’t shrink all cancers, unfortunately, because cancer is very smart, they learn how to outsmart everything that you’re doing and so but if we, from the very get go, we need to be teaching people one, how to take care of themselves, then number two, when they get into a situation and a label of a chronic disease, ’cause medicine is very much, what is your diagnosis? What’s is your diagnosis code? All doctors work like that but the diagnosis code is just a description, it’s not the answer to the problem but we need to say, okay, if you didn’t have this five years ago, what brought you to this perfect storm to create this and it’s never one thing, I always tell people disease starts because one, if you’re not sleeping, you can’t heal, if your hormones aren’t right, hormones are the natural drugs in your body, if the terrain isn’t right, you’re gonna have bugs, viruses, bacteria, fungal or parasites, if your nutrition isn’t right and if your body isn’t able to receive nutrition as if the cell is electrically poor, you won’t be able to re receive that nutrition and then toxicity, so and that’s not just environmental, emotional toxicity, so if you don’t get rid of all those and get all that in order, you cannot achieve healing.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
What are the and that reminds me, I don’t like, I really don’t like the term survivor. I really dislike that term, it’s a disservice to people to be calling themselves a survivor. You go through your chemo, you go through your radiation, you go through your surgery and now you’re a survivor, yeah, you happen to have survived the treatment but you haven’t survived the condition and actually the survival of the condition is surviving being a human.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That’s right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You have to survive being a human.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Well, I just, before I came up here, one of my patients who’s seen me for 30 years and he’s 84 years old and I haven’t seen him for probably, I took care of his wife and I haven’t, hadn’t seen him for a while because before COVID, I didn’t see him and then during COVID I didn’t see him, well, anyway, all of a sudden he develops a cancer in his nasopharyngeal cavity. Anyway, so the girl said, you gotta go see him, Dr. Connealy, so I went over there to see him and I hadn’t seen him for a short while ’cause we were doing low dose chemo on him and then his doctors added radiation. So, oh dear, he went and got, I didn’t even recognize him how horrible he was because the radiation really, really, really damaged him and so I told him, okay, here’s all the things that we need to do. He’s done with the radiation and he, we wanted him to probably cut it off a little bit ’cause we saw him go downhill and like you said, he might have survived the radiation but now look at him and he’s 84, so chemo and radiation is very hard on an 84 year old.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Anybody.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Anybody but when you’re 84 it’s even, yeah, you’re right, anybody, correct. So anyway, I just was like, oh my God, this is not the way to exit the universe, that we are harming him but I let my patients make their own decisions, he wanted to do it so I said, okay, I’ll support you and your decision, I did tell him we should do low dose chemo because I told him, I don’t think you could handle the conventional dose of chemo so he agreed to that and then he was kind of held in on doing the radiation. So hopefully I can resurrect him more starting next week as he’s done with the radiation and he was hesitant about taking the medications for pain, I said, no, do it right now, this is just gonna be a bridge for you to get to the other side ’cause I gotta get you drinking and that’s all he can do, he can’t even barely drink because it fried all of his gastrointestinales, yes, exactly. So anyway, you’re right, it’s this, we need to look at the patients as being heroic in their journey as opposed to a survivor that’s just existing because if you look at the population right now, a lot of the population is alive but disabled.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
High percentage, 66% of people who are 50.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Exactly and that is like you said, that is not, that’s just not okay. When we can send people to the moon and when we can transmit across the world, you mean that’s the best we can do for a human miracle?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, there’s a lot of corruption, we can dwell on corruption but dwell on what we can do or what you can, as individuals, the person listening can do. I wanna go back a little bit to your EAV, I did EAV testing on a bunch of people, several people, did before and after and I had all the readings, of EAV readings and they were like, two thirds were red, of the readings were red, then we did magnetic field therapy and then retested, it was like 80% were gone, so we were left with like five or 10 readings that were still red and the rest were gone.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Well, when did you do this testing?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
This was years ago, probably 10, 15 years ago.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
And how much time? So you did the EAV, how long did.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right away.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Right away.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right away.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Well, that’s a good test to do though, to show people.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right away, so my concept was that I learned this in acupuncture as well, that you have the embers and then what you do is you have to shake off the embers to get at the, have to shake off, I’m sorry, the ash, you should have to shake off the ash to get at the embers. So what we did then basically with the EAV testing is we shook off the ash and then we discovered the really more deep problem, ’cause electromagnetically, you can build a lot of static into your body, whether it’s your thoughts or the food or the neighbors or walking down the street and getting Wi-Fi, all of that. So all that builds static so once you do the treatment, you clear the terrain, as you said, terrain, you clear off the static and now you discover where you really need to focus your time and energy, so that was very, very illustrative for me about the level of, value of PEMFs just on an energetic level.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That is beautiful, I love it. Well, I tell patients, because in our clinic, because the patients come to us very broken and ill, I have to utilize a lot of different modalities, every single one of our patients does PEMF because I tell patients, your, the electrical volt of your cell is so low that everything that we need to do is not gonna work until we raise the energy vibration of every cell in our body because cancer is a very low energetic voltage and so all the of things I’m doing aren’t gonna work, so like every patient gets it with the cancer, total body and local PEMF, then when we give IVs, I do all different kinds of IVs, I do IV vitamin C, IV alkaline trips, IV Mistletoe, Curcumin, I mean all kinds of different IVs and I tell them the, we have an electric membrane potential on our cells and so we, people don’t understand that the cell is an electrical system, every cell and so if we charge them with the PEMF, all those IVs will work better through absorption through the membrane and you probably can even be more expert in this and in what I’m talking about.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So do you know how PEMFs improve the membrane potential?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Well, they probably, yeah, well you go and say but I would say it activates the sodium pump, sodium, potassium pump.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Exactly and it opens up the cell membranes, so how many channels do we have in our cell membranes? Hundreds.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Hundreds.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So what we’re doing basically is we’re throwing open the windows and doors and the air can get in and the waste gets out, so by doing that, just simply rebalancing those natural flows of things in and out of cells, we reestablish the membrane potential and so they have charge to them, so magnetic fields then basically start to work on that charge and that’s what causes that rebalancing effect.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
So how often should people in a clinical setting, ’cause there’s, I know people have home units for PEMFs but in a clinical setting, how often should they be doing PEMF, do you think?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
What do you think?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Well, obviously every day would be ideal.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So my retort, because this is a question I get asked regularly, my response is that we have a hundred trillion cells in our bodies and the hip bone’s connected to the head bone, they’re all talking to each other and it’s amazing, we have a hundred trillion cells and they have about what, 2,000, 5,000 biochemical processes per second.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Per second.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Every single cell.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That’s what I tell people.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So how much magnetic therapy do you need? What you need is what you need, so what you do is you start doing the magnetic field therapy, you start somewhere and you see how your body responds, you can do the biochemistry and you can do physical examination, you can do imaging studies and then you say, okay, it’s moving, we’re shifting. Now, if you think that you’ve could do a half hour once a day and that’s it, actually, there are magnetic therapy companies that say all you need is eight minutes a day. Well, if you hear somebody saying that run, you need to use what you need to use, your body’s gonna tell you whether what you’re doing is good enough, so the answer is, I don’t know, the answer is you gotta start somewhere and then you check and evaluate to see whether that worked and then you adjust your protocols accordingly.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Exactly, well, I think though, let’s talk about the average person, let’s pretend for a moment that no one has any problems, meaning no big problems. I personally think PEMF is necessary for human beings on a regular basis because we’re bombarded with so much external influences.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Correct, absolutely. Well, I, usually if you got the right intensity magnetic system, I usually recommend a half an hour, twice a day and that’s minimum, that’s minimum ’cause now that you’re dealing with other problems in specific parts of the body, then you may have to do additional treatments but a half an hour twice a day gets rid of the cobwebs from the night before if you do it in the morning and at the end of the day, it gets rid of the stress from the day. Remember you have all these cells doing all this stuff, and you’re bombarded, as you said, with all this extraneous influence, so you gotta shed that influence, you gotta shed the effects of that influence to the body. If you had your cell phone to your head for half an hour, you got some work to do.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
They have a lot of work to do, I know all about that because 14 years ago, my daughter and I did what, she had to do her eighth grade science experiment and I said, well, why don’t you do how an electromagnetic fields affect a living substance? So I found the plants that were the fastest, fastest growing and then we did thermography of people’s head, so we took a patient’s head and then with no cell phone, then we did it one minute, five minute, 30 minutes, hour, five hours, their brain was inflamed for five hours afterwards, so no one should be using a cell phone to their head for any period of times.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well or have it by your bedside, I was talking to somebody the other day who had her cell phone by her bedside, what are you listening to your cell phone for at night anyway? Are those text messages that important?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Exactly and then you can’t sleep, no, I tell people they should have no electricity, I have a kill switch in my bedroom that I switch off to go to sleep. Now and we’re still getting extraneous energy through the walls and windows, so you’re never getting rid of it but I turn off, I don’t have any electrical output whatsoever in my bedroom.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah, everybody should be turning off their Wi-Fi at night, you don’t need to be taking care of your Wi-Fi at night, what’s so important that you have to have your Wi-Fi on at night?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That’s right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You should really only have your Wi-Fi on when you’re at your computer.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That’s right, the only time.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s the time it should be off ’cause it’s always sending and receiving, it’s constantly. In Europe, they have devices, Wi-Fi machines that are on demand, we don’t have those in the US. On demand Wi-Fi machine will only turn on when a signal comes to it, ours are on all the time, just like our cell phones, they’re on all the time.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
And when you think about everyone is, like when you think about your in concentrated areas like hotels or restaurants, where everybody has a cell phone, all of that is transmitting through you.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So what is Wi-Fi, what is a cellphone doing to your head?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Inflaming it to the most extreme degree.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It’s cooking it.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah, electrocuting it.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
No it’s cooking, no, there’s a difference, it’s cooking. So what, there’s a difference between PEMF and EMF in the sense that PEMF is not radiated magnetic field, it’s a pulse but EMF is microwaves. Why do we use microwave ovens? It cooks, when you have a cell phone to your head, it’s cooking you.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
I know, I know, terrible, terrible and they should, they do have in the insert, they do have an insert that this can be carcinogenic but no one reads that.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
No, of course not.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
And then of course, there’s everyone out there saying, oh no, there’s not enough studies, no, there’s thousands of studies and people, we’ve just gotta continue to educate people on reducing their use and wearing it and utilizing it at night, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well and that’s goes back to your point about needing to do the treatment throughout the day. At least, I would say at least twice a day, ’cause then what you’re doing is restoring the health of the cells that have been affected by those influences and you don’t have to be standing next to a Wi-Fi tower or a microwave tower to have a problem ’cause as I said, we’re accumulating small amounts of radiation on the constant based, that means we should be doing therapy on a regular basis. By the way, I dunno if you knew about, do you know about heat shock protein or heat stress protein?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yes, so I know about heat shock proteins because cancer, that’s a big thing for cancer, so we have three heat shock proteins and I use a blood test called RGCC and RGCC is located in Switzerland and Greece and so when we get the RGCC report, it tells me how heat shock proteins, radiation or hyperthermia, how effective it will be for the patient’s treatment.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So we, magnetic therapy increases HSPs.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
So for patients out there, you know what that does, is that kills viruses and cancer.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And cancer and what it does basically is it protects the cell from injury.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Correct.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s why you go sun bathing, your first day, 10, 15 minutes of the sun and then out of the sun, the next day you can do whatever you want ’cause now you’ve increased the heat shock proteins in your body.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Correct, yeah, it’s, yeah exactly and that’s why the natural sun is good for you because it’s activating those heat shock proteins.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And having enough at the right time, that’s the.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Exactly, yeah, people overdo it and then that’s not healthy, so it’s yeah, there’s always, like you said, a magic balance.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
What has been, what’s the most impressive thing you’ve seen with PEMF therapy in your world?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Oh, well I’ll tell you, I had a patient fly in from Texas and she had stage four ovarian cancer and so I told her, she came in a couple of times and I told her, okay, you need to do this, I tell them what to do but.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Program.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Their program, I tell them here, what you want to do, so then she buys her own PEMF device and I don’t know which one she bought and sure enough, she cured herself of ovarian cancer. Now, granted she just didn’t do PEMF, she did all the other things, the cleansing, the supplements, the, everything and she’s on, she tells her story and it made people really aware of PEMF, because of her story and so I now, for pain, for increase in mobility, for actual sense of wellbeing and everything, because we use PMF every single day, all day long in our clinic and we use it for so many different conditions, I will tell you that I fell down the stairs, I slipped ’cause on my feet we’re oily ’cause I got a massage and I slipped, the first thing I did was PEMF, I can’t tell you how quickly I recovered doing pulsed electromagnetic field and so it is a, I mean, people don’t understand, people and people don’t realize there’s over a thousand, you probably know more now, PubMed studies that show the efficacy of PEMF. So it’s not something that hasn’t been incredibly studied and analyzed, there’s so many PubMed studies how the efficacy of PEMF that every doctor should be having this in their clinic.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
In fact, in my book, “Power Tools for Health,” I have over 500 references on the effects of PEMFs in the body and that selected number of studies. I have a library of about, totally, library of about 30,000 abstracts on the effects of EMFs on the body or magnetic fields on the body. There’s a very rich science, the problem is it’s all over the place and then the journals that are specifically dedicated to magnetic field therapies or magnetic fields, they’re not dedicated to magnetic field therapies, they’re dedicated to the science of magnetic fields, so most of the time it’s petri studies, petri dish studies and lab studies and so on, so really you can’t find this easily. You have, it’s very hard to look for and then most of those studies are very scientific, so they’re not that that easy to read but at least you have a resource in “Power Tools for Health” to be able to help you with that, so yeah, there are thousands of studies, there is a robust science behind it.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah and that’s what people don’t, they think it’s like, people always think these new treatments, because their doctor hasn’t heard of it and I’m like, well, all you have to do, you can find plenty of YouTubes on PEMF to people, all different people like you and everybody else talking about it, so or any other thing that we do in the clinic, we do IV ozone, We do hyperbaric oxygen, we do lymphatic therapies, all these are well, well documented as efficacious treatments for all different things and that’s not anything new, hyperbaric oxygen’s been around for a very, very long time, used all over the world and now PEMF is relatively, probably newer science, when did you start doing it Dr. Pawluk?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
30 Years ago.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
30 Years ago but when did it really get, really start getting popular? Probably 15 years ago, would you say.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, actually it’s a process so there are stages, the earliest science was back in the seventies and early eighties and a lot of that was in fact, essentially lab studies then devices started becoming available and the science also took off because now we started getting MRIs, now we understood a lot more of what magnetic fields are relative to the body and then the FDA approved RTMS, repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation, so these are high intensity machines that are about 7,000 and now a whole bunch of scientists coming out that’s building the base of that size for us to understand what it’s doing at least in the brain and the nervous system but over the last 10 to 20 years, huge numbers of studies have been done on all kinds of magnetic signals for all sorts of problems and that’s why I was able to publish that book, “Power Tools for Health,” ’cause now we had all kinds of science. It wasn’t limited to the earlier introduction of magnetic field devices into the market, the consumer market, that were all pretty low intensity, now we’ll be able to see that it takes a range of different devices to do different jobs in the body, if you will and to go back to the question about what does it do, in the “Power Tools for Health” book, I reviewed 25 different mechanisms of action. So you mentioned diagnosis, so we had to collect attributes of conditions and give it a label called diagnosis but what do those attributes, those diagnostic labels, have in common? What are the processes they have in common? So magnetic fields don’t care about the diagnosis, they’re going to affect the body based on the mechanisms of actions that they have in the body and there are many, many, many magnetic actions they have. We mentioned one which is heat shock protein but inflammation is really, really one of the most critical ones and how PEMFs can help with cancer based on its effects on inflammation, both in terms of causing cancer, progression of cancer, mutation of cancer and metastasis.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
And the cancers have an electrical vault.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
They do.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
And so we want to change that electrical vault every which way we can, whether we do it with our nutrition, IVs and PEMF, it’s because they are their own electrical vault, that’s why things a lot of times don’t work, because if we don’t change the, that terrain, again, going back to the terrain, we cannot alter the patient’s ability to fight the cancer.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But since it’s affecting the electrical vault but it’s also affecting the vault in general, because now you get nutrients coming in better, you can get the therapies coming in better, you have more resistance against the side effects of the problem and the cancer itself is causing its own micro inflammatory environment, so all of the, it impacts all of those together.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah and it’s funny, now people are talking about that micro tumor environment.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Environment, exactly.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
And that’s what we’re not addressing at all in conventional oncological workups, at all and people, as you know, people are sick when they’re diagnosed with cancer, so we’re just making it more problematic for that patient to heal. Yes, there’s patients get through it but again, we’ve got to optimize that micro tumor environment so that cancer doesn’t come back again and now you count, you put all those, you were talking about the frequencies all around us through cell phones and Wi-Fi and towers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, so that is going on 24/7 and so then you talk about destruction to the patient, whatever treatments they are going to get, you’re just creating more and more disturbance of the micro tumor environment.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Everything on top of it’s, top of each other. Let me ask you and we’re getting closer to, close to the end of this visit, when would you not use magnetic field therapy?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
When would I not? That’s a good question. Well, one with face makers, I can’t do it with that.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s not true.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Oh, that’s not true?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
No.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Well, that’s what I’ve been told, ’cause I have, I do several treatments that they say, oh, you’re not supposed to, so you’ll have to teach me that.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
All right and what I’m, what you’d have to know is that if it’s MR Conditional and most of the pacemakers today are MRI Conditional, that means they’re MRI Conditional and you can do an MRI up to 1.5, 15,000 relatively safely.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Oh wow, okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So, if they’re MR Conditional go for it and that’s defibrillators as well as pacemakers, so any implant electronics basically that’s MR Conditional, fine, you’re fine.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
And their little placard should say that.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yes or you ask the patients, have you been told by your doctor you can’t do an MRI and if they say no, you can have an MRI. So that used to be, you’re absolutely correct, that used to be a firm, basically a firm contraindication but not so much anymore.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That’s good, that’s really good and then.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
What other situation.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
What other things, I can’t think of anything that I don’t use it in or don’t.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Active bleeding.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Oh, active bleeding, yeah, I don’t use it in active bleeding but.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah, so somebody’s on basically suppressants, who are on anticoagulants.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah, anticoagulants.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You have to be careful with anticoagulants, they’re sub contraindicated but you have to be careful but active bleeding becomes important. The only other time that I would not do it absolutely and that could change over time as well is transplants. I would not do magnetic fields with any kind of transplants, if they’re on immunosuppression.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah and I don’t really have those patients.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
We don’t see those but obviously I have to deal with that as well.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Exactly, yeah, why do you say not in transplants?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
They’re on immunosuppression.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah, I know that.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But we don’t know how the magnetic fields are gonna affect the immune system relative to the immunosuppression, so because magnetic fields affect the immune system in many different ways, you don’t know which parts of the immune system are gonna be stimulated and which parts are going to be, support the suppression. It’s too complicated and the risk is too high.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Because those patients are the ones that really need the support of help.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So there’s lots of other ways that you could help them.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yeah, there is.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You don’t need things that could simulate the them electrically. What kinds of reactions have you seen with PEMFs, negative reactions?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
I have never seen any negative reactions with PEMF, none and I personally have been doing it myself for probably a dozen years and I used to laugh and make up stories, people say, well, what do you do every day? And I go, well, I do the, a green juice with vitamin C and take these, all these pills and lay on a mat and I charge myself every day and this shot and that shot and then I would joke and then now it’s all a reality.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So you’re already a super person.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Well, no, I just looked at how do I optimize myself, I love the privilege of my work and I wanna keep working and I wanna keep educating, informing people and helping people as long as I possibly can and so it’s all what you do 24/7, correct, it’s, that’s bottom line is what do you do, how you think and how, what you do every day and so if we do everything to try to enhance our system and optimize, we are all gonna be good for ourselves and good for our loved ones and good for our community.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I totally agree and this is what makes what we do fun.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Yes, it is.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So well, based on that, thank you very much and I totally agree with you that my gut feels extraordinarily safe, I very much appreciate this fun chat with you, this dialogue and I look forward to working with you and talking to you again.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
All right, well thank you for.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Any parting comments or any parting thoughts?
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Well, I just want everyone to really listen to all these amazing and educational summits because there’s so much they can learn to impart for themselves and others and all the things that we are talking about, they don’t hurt you.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And they often all work together, is very hard to make, to put the wrong cocktail of things together.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
That’s right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, thank you again. Dr.Connealy.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
Thank you.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Enjoy the rest of your day.
Leigh-Erin Connealy, M.D.
All right.
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