EMFS: Separating Fact from Fiction, Protect Yourself

Introduction and guest background 0:00

Hey, it's Nathan Crane, director of the Health and Healing Club and host of the Conquering Cancers Summit. And today, I am honored and excited to welcome you to a very special interview. So Lloyd is the founder of the website Electric sense.com. He is the creator of the healing with Vibrations Summit, as well as the EMF Health Summit, which introduced Emfs to an audience of over 200,000 people. He's a regular speaker at international online events, podcast radio shows and hosts. Is owned by monthly EMF health podcast.

He's the author of two e-books on Emfs, and his latest book is called EMF Practical Guide. You can go learn more about all of his great resources at Electric sense.com. Lloyd, brother, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks a lot. Nathan, thanks a lot. So let's dive right in. Here's the big question right I think everyone wants to know do emfs cause cancer? Okay. So I've actually, prepared a little slideshow to walk you through this because, let's talk scientifically because I know people want to know the facts and so I've just, prepared something, here, which I'd like to share with you if we can start off, with that.

So do Emfs cause cancer? How to protect yourself. So first question is, you know, what, causes cancer? So the commonly held belief is that cancer is a result of genetic damage. But the alternative theory, which, is certainly, growing in support, is that it's mitochondrial damage and dysfunction, all the which are the primary causes of the genetic damage, which is observed in most cancers. And a great resource on that is, a book by a gentleman called Professor Thomas Siegfried, The Metabolic Theory of Cancer.

I'm sure you've heard of that. So what's important here is just to point out that this distinction is actually irrelevant, because emfs

Do EMFs cause cancer? 2:25

clearly cause DNA damage and mitochondrial dysfunction. Okay, so it's a kind of a, a chicken and egg situation, which goes first. And we have, this mechanism of harm. We have this understanding now of how these, these emfs from all these different devices, you know, cell phones, Wi-Fi, smart meters, all these wireless devices, Bluetooth, so on and so forth, how, you know, how this impacts our body and impacts our cells. And so, these wireless exposures create these free radicals, these carbon free radicals, which damage so many things in the, in our body.

DNA is some membranes, proteins, stem cells disrupt cell division and damages the mitochondria. What's important to understand is that this damage is virtually identical to the damage of ionizing radiation. Yeah. So ionizing radiation, that's the radiation which everybody knows and agrees is dangerous. You know, like gamma radiation, nuclear radiation, going for X-rays and all that. Well, what we're saying is now the result of this, you know, all these devices which we're using that is impacting us in the same way.

And it's, it's the same, or the result is the same. The result is the same. That's important thing. So let's just look at your brain. So most research, with regard to how emfs impact your brain is, this RF radiation is radio frequency radiation. So we're talking about wireless cell phones, Bluetooth and all that. Your brain is about 75% water, and it's very fragile. So this is why you've got the skull. That's the role of the skull to protect your brain from bangs and knocks and stuff. But we also have this thing called the blood brain barrier, the b b for short.

And that's another very important form of protection. This b b b has two roles. On the one hand is preventing toxins from getting into your brain. And the on the other hand it's allowing your brain to get all the essential nutrients it needs. And what we know is that cell phone, radiation damages very clearly damages this blood brain barrier. And we've known this for, like, over 50 years. This was, research which was carried out, by a gentleman called Doctor Alan Fry in the 1970s, 1960s, even. It started, and this damage, which was observed came from very, low level exposures and, what was observed that these changes can, be can come about almost immediately.

So almost as soon as you start using a cell phone, then it is impacting your brain. So this blood brain barrier is absolutely vital in protecting your brain. And emfs from all these devices which we're using, which everybody is using without a second thought. Clearly, as many studies have shown over the years since the 1970s damage this blood brain barrier and letting all sorts of, pathogens, viruses, bacteria, you name it, toxins of every in every shape or form, which is obviously relevant, given in the current health crisis.

So if we look back at some of the research, okay, just very quickly, an important bit of research is that carried out in the 1990s by the Wireless Technology Research Program headed by Doctor George Carlow, $28 million bit of research over seven years. And this is in poor because it was the cell phones industry's own study. Okay. So this guy, Doctor Jos Coller, he was taken on, the cell phone was hoping that to prove that self, you know, cell phones were safe. Unfortunately, the study's conclusion was, that there is a definite risk that radiation that emanates from a cell phone can cause cancer.

Okay? Those are the very words of the study. The former head of the study, obviously, he was. It's a former head because that was all disbanded. And, they tried to smother all that and keep it quiet. That nobody know about it. And few people do know about it, but, that's why it's important to talk about it. And then we've got these landmark studies, interference studies, another big,

Brain effects and blood-brain barrier damage 7:10

multimillion dollar study which found that using a cell phone for just 30 minutes a day can increase your risk of getting a brain tumor by 40% just 30 minutes a day. Don't forget, this is just cell phone radiation in isolation. And then when we add in all these other exposures, all these other wireless exposures and wired exposures, which I talk about, later on, then obviously that is even more concerning because, you know, it's not just about cell phone radiation. There's a lot more going on. A UK study on 790,000 middle aged women found that women who use their cell phones for ten or more years were two and a half times more likely to develop an acoustic neuroma.

That's a tumor. And the auditory nerve and and the risk increased with the number of years that we use in the cell phone. And then we've got more studies. The Mayo Clinic and Mayo Clinic study found that long term use doubles the risk of brain tumors on the same side of the head, where the same where the phone is held. How how curious. Is that the strange coincidence? He's laughing. It's not a laughing matter at all. But there's other, studies which have, come to similar conclusions. Very important study and TP so the next National Toxicology Program study, $30 million dollar study paid by the US, taxpayers, which came out with evidence of increased risk of Glo glioma, actual, the the wording of this the final conclusion was clear evidence of cancer here, for, and, for different kinds of tumors, but notably, malignant tumors of the brain and also, tumors of the heart.

This NTP study, by the way, it's not a flash in the pan. I mean, it's a big, big study, but actually, the study was replicated in Italy, by the Ramazani Institute, and they came out with exactly the same conclusions. There is more and more and more, research on this, a lot of research. And if you want to find more, then, I recommend you go to the Bio initiative report for more on that. And also important to note, though, you know, in 2011, the well, the World Health Organization, which, is incredibly conservative and that's, another way of saying that comes under massive influence from a lot of, very powerful, lobbies has a lot of money thrown at it.

So it's saying the right thing, to and they, they said even back then that, that radiofrequency radiation of the type used, the cell phones emit, was a group to be possible human carcinogen. Okay. And, subsequent studies and the members actually of that committee that decided that are now calling are now saying that that, classification is completely outdated and that it should be rated as a probable, carcinogen. So that's, that was for the for the wireless. And then just very quickly on, wiring because, you know, it's not all about why wireless.

It's also about EMS from wires and the three types of electromagnetic fields from wires, electric fields, magnetic fields and dirty electricity. And this is what we're surrounded by, you know, particularly with the, you know, the whole Covid thing which is going on, we're more and more indoors and people are working in front of their computers and stuff, because, you know, we're not supposed to go out and things. So this is, increasingly, a problem and, these wired exposures. So what's important is, you know, these, when you have a wire, the electromagnetic fields, the electricity going through a wire generates these electromagnetic fields, these electric fields, magnetic fields, dirty electricity.

And these electromagnetic fields don't stay on the wire. They permeate out into the room and into you. These, the effects of these, wide exposures, cellular damage, DNA breaks, double strand, single strand, creation of free radicals. And the sondages took effect. So it's very similar to the, effects from wireless. And we know we've got studies going back years, 1979, the first major study on this, found that, you know, that, children living near, ordinary power lines at three times the likelihood of developing, cancer, leukemia, actually, that's and that those are just regular electric electrical power lines just radiate regular electrical power lines and very low levels of exposure to, like, about two milli gauss, which, you know, according to some studies, two thirds of homes have, readings of two milli gauss or more.

I mean, 2 to 2 milli gauss is not, not, exceptional by any means. And then we've got this other thing, just very briefly dirty electricity. It says, you know, as if it's just, just let's toss it in there. But it is really important. That's what I want to talk about it, because it's a growing problem. Because, all these devices which we're introducing, which, notably, using less and less power, they're using less and less power by chopping the currents and by chopping.

Key cancer studies on wireless radiation 12:40

And with which, you know, chopping the current by maybe 20,000 times a second so you can't actually see it, but your body can sense it. And, this creates this electro pollution in the kilohertz range. What we know from studies, notably Russian studies, is that this goes internal. These frequencies go internal. You can see on the picture here what that to the electricity looks like, on a sine wave. Just one example here, is the La Quinta middle school, in California, 2013 teachers complaining that the cancer rates were high amongst their colleagues and the, the actual, statistic, if you want, was like three times higher risk of cancer.

La Quinta compared to California residents as a whole. So it was really high. So there was a team that went in there, led by a doctor, Samuel Milam and doctor and Dave Stats, a power expert. And they found that in one quarter of the classrooms, the dirty electricity readings was so high, they overloaded the meter at the time of the study, there were 11 reported cancer cases. Okay. The update, the information that I had when I spoke to, Bill, Caleb Cadwallader, who's a building biologist, local building biologist, was now 49 of those students got cancer, 12 have died, six teachers and staff and six students in their early 20s have now died 13 times.

That's 13 times the expected thyroid rate, a cancer at this school, ten times the expected melanoma rate and nine times the expected uterine cancer rate. So this is a huge problem. How many schools, offices, homes have high dirty electricity problems where you know that the this kind of outcome, can come around. Lloyd, when you spoke with him, did you, have you heard that they've actually done anything to mitigate that they had mitigated? Yes, obviously they had. I mean, it was off the scale because like, the meter goes to like 2000 units and it's safe or safer reading what we're always aiming for is like under 50 units.

And so they did do the mitigation. But unfortunately, you know, the the teachers and, the pupils had been exposed to these, to this, to the electricity for a number of years already. And so the damage was already done. So, yeah. So there's just a lot of science here. It's so sad to hear, I mean, a school where this is happening, but this is happening all over the world, right? Not only in our schools, but in our office buildings and our homes, in our neighborhoods everywhere. And so, you know, what you're sharing is a critically important, of course, we're going to get into solutions through this as well.

So make sure everyone tuning in you, you stay tuned in with us for this entire interview and also taking notes, you know, so you know what you can do to protect yourself. But I want to just go back to when you said a safer reading is under 50 units. What is what are those units measured in. So those units are GHS units grams. That's a units which is a kind of a proprietary unit if you want. It's a function of voltage and time. And it's it's a measure of duty electricity, gas grams that Si units, and it's very easy to, to measure and that's the thing as well.

And, I can actually show you a meter which, which can measure that. It's, it's a meter which you can plug in and it's very it's easy to measure and it's easy to mitigate that. That's the thing. And it's not terribly expensive either. And this is particularly for, hardwired electrical lines. It's not necessary for Wi-Fi or things like that. Or also it measures that. No. So this is just for dirty electricity. And we do need a separate meter for dirty electricity. I'm going to share with you in a little while what meter I recommend for measuring EMF generally.

And then we need another meter to measure dirty electricity. So we always need to. We generally need two meters to do this properly. And I do recommend doing it properly. And this is something people can obviously do at home. In their offices. You know, even at schools where their children go, if they wanted to. You. Absolutely. And it's and that's what so, what I do, it's all about empowerment. It's about helping people so they can help themselves. But at the same time, I'm all for calling in an EMF consultant, calling in, building biologist and working with that person.

But you still need the meters, you know, because this is a constantly evolving situation, because we're always buying stuff, you know, and this thing's breaking down. And soon as you bring anything new in, soon as you bring that new smart TV or whatever new computer, then you need to remeasure and this is what I do all the time. And even I get caught out by this and I can still feel this stuff so I don't get the symptoms. I can like, reset very quickly. But, you know, even I get caught out of it.

So you have to be really diligent about this. So there's. Yeah. So there is so there's so many studies on this. And, on emfs particularly, but on the cancer question, there is also a lot of studies. And obviously my website, electric Centcom, on specifically just into the studies. And I recommend you go to bio initiative, uh.org. Yeah. Thanks for that, Lloyd. I mean, obviously we could we could dive much deeper into the science, of course. And, you know, I don't think we need to I think people understand now.

And as you said, this has been known for a long time. I mean, I mean, I remember reading stories about, women years ago, over a decade ago that you know, used to carry the cell phone in the bra.

Wired EMFs and dirty electricity risks 18:45

And after a number of years of doing that, they developed tumors shaped cell phone T cell phone shaped tumors right on the breast. It looked exactly like the phone that they used to carry right there. Right. So that was like, okay, you know, there's something we need to pay attention to. As you said, they've been studying this for for many, many years. The problem is most people don't realize the impact that all of these smart devices. And now we've got, you know, this, as you said, the smart TVs, and then we've got the, the Alexas or whatever, which are, you know, putting out.

So much, you know, EMF pollution and then now 5G, which we're going to talk about, and then Wi-Fi and all these things. And you know, so obviously I want to get into solutions. And for we do what what do we need to know about 5G specifically? Let's talk about that for a little bit, because it's kind of been it kind of what I've seen is like, okay, there's this big explosion of people questioning it, people scared about it, people saying, hey, this is potentially dangerous. There's not enough studies on it.

It's very, you know, scary to think about because it's significantly higher potential damage to the DNA of the body. But these companies are just putting them up everywhere so quickly, kind of almost behind the scenes as everyone else is now, you know, worried about the pandemic. All these 5G towers went up all over the world, right in the last number of months. And now I've seen the conversation around 5G, at least from my threads, for whatever reason that I follow has just diminished. Like I haven't seen anybody talking about it now.

And that was the reason for that. Yeah. So so go ahead, talk about that. Why? That is what we need to know about it, how to protect ourselves. We'll get into that as well. Yeah. So one of the reasons why we're not hearing about it, Nathan, is, is simply because this information is being suppressed, sadly. So obviously the, you know, the Covid thing is, is taking, people's attention. That's what everybody's interested in. And that's kind of what everybody's, concerned about. And there is in my mind, clearly a link between 5G and Covid, by the way.

So, there's that that aspect as well, because there's a link between health and toxins in any just very simply, you know, 5G is, is another toxin. And so, yeah, let's just separate fact from fiction. Yeah. With this whole 5G thing, because it is it seems, it is really a great thing in many ways because we, you know, because it's an improvement on the existing technology. We can everything's going to be so much faster 10 to 100 times faster, apparently, between 4G and 5G. That's what they're saying.

And so yeah, it's great. And everybody wants bigger and better. And, you know, the world to improve and things to improve. And but there is a cost. There is a cost to all of this. And, there are studies out there linking, exposures of the type which 5G is, is using because it's already, being used in certain parts of the world, some parts of the US, there's certain cities already which are implementing 5G and, the studies that we have, showing very clear effects that 5G. So when we say 5G, you know, it's, it's a little bit of a vague term, by the way, because, it's really what when we're talking about EMS, we always need to be clear about what frequencies we're talking about.

And 5G is, is, is new frequencies, in the main but not always. It depends where you live. So, but we can be going into these very high frequency bands, 20GHz, 60GHz, 80GHz, depending on where you live, as opposed to 1 or 2GHz, which the existing networks are using. For 4G particularly is around 1 to 2 giga, 1 to 2GHz. Yeah. You know, depends where you live. Again, 900MHz to 1800 megahertz, which is 1 to 2GHz. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about potentially 20 times, 20 times. So very high frequency.

And what does that mean. Very short wavelength. Because is inversely proportional. And so very short wavelength hence the term millimeter wave. And that's typically less than ten millimeters. So very, very short wavelength. And so because of that they need lots of antennas all over the place. So, so here's the fact from fiction thing. So, you know, the facts are lots of antennas all over the place, certainly for this very high frequency, 5G, and also satellites in space, last the most recent information I have on this is 80,000 plus, satellites in space, with companies like SpaceX.

And there's like a group of, companies, there's a couple of companies which are putting a lot of their, like 40, 40,000, per, Per company, one web and space. I mean, just them alone, they're putting out, something like 80,000 satellites, but their intention. And this is public, right? I've read this from their websites. I mean, their intention is to basically blanket the entire world with a very strong EMF, so. Right. So they're the the objective is to provide coverage for 5G everywhere. And in urban areas.

This coverage will be provided by small cells. So that means lots of antennas. And they could be like every third or fourth house. And then in rural areas, then we'll have the satellites which are taking over from that. That's the idea. And these low orbit satellites and already so I mean, satellites in space which are beaming down electromagnetic, frequencies, electromagnetic fields, I mean, already, I mean, does doesn't that sound wrong just intuitively? Doesn't it sound wrong? Is this what we want to be doing to our planet?

And then we've got the studies. So we've got the studies which are associating these exposures with, effects on the skin, on the heart, on the eyes, on the immune system, and creating antibiotic resistance and also, damaging, you know, fauna and, plants and so on. So, you know, the studies are there are coming out, and also we have research which is indicating that these very short wavelengths coupled with this, high level of data, is creating more, adverse biological effects than, other frequencies.

So we, you know, so there is there is some science behind this, is it black and white? No, but what I can tell you with absolute certainty, Nathan, is that this is another layer of electro smoke. So already we've got all this electro smoke, all this going on. Okay. All these cell towers and wireless everywhere and Wi-Fi everywhere, and, you know, and people, most people are all for it. And I, you know, obviously the it is, convenient.

Measuring EMFs at home 26:45

But then we've got all these studies, some of which I've talked about, which is showing very clearly peer reviewed science that there are these adverse effects and, you know, okay, so we're talking about cancer here today. So I mean, I've gone over some of the science on the cancer, but it's not just about cancer. So we've got links between, you know, all kinds of serious diseases Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, neurodegenerative diseases, you know, all the diseases of the 21st century, these chronic illnesses.

And then we've got all these other illnesses which, you know, all these kind of little things which were all, or many of us are experiencing, and we're wondering what's going on, and there's just so many and the the science is or, you know, this is going back, and this is called microwave sickness. Initially. And there is just so many, adverse kind of, effects of this, microwave sickness. And I'll just share a few very quickly with you, just, so people can appreciate how vast this is and that how, you know, in the myriad of ways that this technology can impact us.

We're talking about headaches, dizziness, nausea, skin rashes, dehydration because, you know, radiation, it kind of heats the body low level thermal effects, difficulty concentrating, memory loss, mood disorders, personality disorders, depression, anxiety, digestive issues impacts your gut, which obviously impacts your immune system. Hair loss, sperm, motility. You know, a lot of research on that, on reproductive issues to not tinnitus. That's another big one. Pretty clear link between these exposure and tinnitus.

And heart problems, also arrhythmias and, palpitations. So it these emfs impacts us in so many ways. And it's not about getting cancer. And, you know, getting these, you know, terrible diseases, Alzheimer's or whatever it is, which are more and more common. It's just that they're softly, bit by bit, silently 24 seven zapping us and, and, and creating these, a multitude of symptoms which possibly one day will lead to something more serious. And that's clearly the thing we need to be, you know, concerned about and also proactive about.

Right. So, I think the, the data, you know, you've you've clearly made it very compelling that we do need to be concerned about cell phone usage. We do need to be concerned about Wi-Fi and smart devices and all these things. And we do need to be concerned about 5G. And, first we have to we have to be able to measure. Right? We have to be able to measure our environment, to know if we're, you know, in a safe, safe environment or if there's something more we need to do. So why don't we? Why don't we do that?

Why don't you show us how to measure it in our homes? And then let's go on to some ways that we can protect ourselves. Yeah. So, so how to measure. Everybody's not always ready to measure, but honestly, this is like, no brainer. So I have a protocol for this, which is called the, the first thing is to understand. And that's what you're doing now, kind of understanding these different exposures, the wireless, you know, the radio frequency, the electric field, the magnetic fields and the dirty electricity.

And then the second step is of this, is to, measure. And the third step is to mitigate. So, understand, measure, mitigate. So the measure part we can do with something like this, which is a, try field meter and it's a try mode meter. And there are lots of meters out there. And this meter highlight because it's so simple, and you can measure, three kinds of, EMF with this meter, and I'll switch it on so you can see. And we put it on the mag setting that stands for Magnetic Fields. And you can see maybe as I bring it towards the screen, it's picking up, some, kind of low level.

I can actually see the readings, but and actually, makes a noise. It went from point one, closer to you. And as you got closer to the screen, it went to 0.3. So what are those readings that so those, mg magnetic fields, Milli gauss, and for instance, you remember, I was when we were talking before I said above two milli gauss associated with, leukemia. So you can see how quickly it goes, you know, you know, being just very, close to a, a computer. You can, you can very quickly be at these levels.

And if we put it on the next setting, that's the electric field setting. And I don't know if you can hear that. So I'm going to do something here. I can't hear it. But we can see the number moving. Oh so the mic because that's because the microphones here. But so what I'm going to do here. So I've actually my laptop is actually grounded because it's safer. And I'm going to take off the grounding. Okay. So I thought maybe it would make a difference. But it went down. Let's do it again. Let's watch it again.

And now this is measuring the electric. So it's measuring the electric field okay. So it's at 1011 1213 okay. And then 14 now so we take off. So no but that's not so that's not just depends on the set up. So actually this so suggest here is that this the way I've got it. The. So this is not like the normal configuration. I just move my room around a little bit to do this. It's actually grounding through. It's on a metal base. So it's actually grounding through that. I suggest all the wires or but normally this is I can see this very clearly when it's just kind of standalone.

For instance, it could be grounding through me, with this, how to play around. But, this is something which is very easy to measure. So that's the electric fields and then RF. So that is the radio frequency. You can see zero on this. So that's because I don't use wireless. So there is wireless. But I'm very fortunate where I live. It's not actually showing on here, but there are you know, there are on a more sensitive meter. Then you can, you know, you can, pick up, radio frequency radiation. So that's a great kind of starter meter because it's easy and it's relatively accurate, and it's relatively inexpensive on the $200, for that meter.

And then coupled with that real quick, what are the what are the numbers we need to what are the numbers in each one of those settings that we would consider safe. And then where are the numbers obviously that we need to be concerned about. So there is no safe. There is no safe. That's the thing with, emfs is there is it's there's no black and white, there's no number which is absolutely safe. There's no number which is absolutely dangerous. And what we're always trying to achieve is along, that's to say, as low as reasonably possible.

Practical ways to reduce exposure 34:25

So we're always trying to get as low as reasonably possible. Having said that, I have some benchmark readings. Which are kind of readings to aim for. And if you can get below that, then that's a good place to be. That's is the best I can put it. And these benchmark readings are 0.02V/m. Honestly, if you don't have an EMF meter these are not going to mean a lot to you. But I recommend below 0.02V/m for RF radiation. I recommend below 1V/m for the, electric fields. I recommend below 0.5 mini gauss for magnetic fields and below 50 units.

For dirty electricity. Okay, just to measure just while we're here. So RF below 0.02, I just want people to write these down, because when you get one of these devices, you can get these at electric Centcom. You know, these are numbers that you want to just keep an eye on. So RF is below 0.02. Electric is below 1V/m. Magnetic is below .5. five milligrams. What was the last one you said. And do the electricity below 50 GHz units below 50 GHz units. And that's and that's a separate device. And that is this device here.

Okay. And that is what it looks like. And it's just got a a plug on it, which in my case is a French plug. Okay. So that one called I can't see. It's called a gas meter okay. Meter. Gas meter. Grams that's a meter. And you just very simply plug that in. You look at what number that gives you and if you've got over 50 gas units, that means you want to be mitigating in some way. So that would be typically going around room by room playing a bit of Sherlock Holmes, plugging things in, unplugging things, watching your meter and determining which devices are problem.

If you can unplug those devices, all well and good. If you can't, then you would install a filter. Just plug in filters again in in different rooms to mitigate those exposures. Okay. So let's talk about what those filters are in a second. So one obviously, you know, this is like anybody who is dealing with cancer or any chronic disease, you need to understand what's going on inside of your body. You need to get tested. You need to know if you have parasites or infections. You need to know your inflammatory markers or food allergies.

You need to know you know where your cancer is, how far along it is. Right? This is exactly the same thing. So to know if you are just extremely bombarded by these emfs, you have to test and measure. So I just want to get that across, you know, electric sense.com. Get the devices right so you can measure number one. And then two we've got the numbers. So we needed you know so we can kind of keep an eye on that. Now let's say we measure our numbers are above these numbers which is going to be true for most people. Right.

What are the what are some of the top things? I know you have reports and videos on your website. People should go get those. I know you have a report that's like 21 or 22 things that people can do, but what are really the top things you would encourage people to do right now to, to mitigate their EMF exposure? Yeah. So the where I, we start with a cell phone because everybody's got a cell phone and people are saying, you know, people. I got an email the other day saying, Lloyd, what's this? What's the safest cell phone I can buy?

Well, unfortunately, it's not that simple. Because we don't have the data on the safest cell phone, because the way of measuring a safe cell phone is not reliable at all. Called SA specific absorption rate. And even with a meter, you can't get, an accurate reading. You need a laboratory to do that. So it's all about how you use a cell phone. And it would be anyway, because of this, this exponential fall off that we have, with for you get out from whatever the device is, in this case, the cell phone.

So the further you get away from that cell phone, the better. Quite simply. But there is an end. It's an exponential fall off. So, literally just putting, a few extra ten millimeters or so between you and the cell phone, you get a thousand fold reduction or more, in exposure levels. And so that's what I recommend to do in a very simple way. And all my tips around cell phones revolve around that basic understanding. Distance is your friend. So therefore that means using on speakerphone for instance.

If you can't if you can't and use an air tube headset. And there were all of this variations of this now, which transform a regular headset into an air tube headset, you, when you're not using your phone, having it on airplane mode, which, and ensuring that when it is on airplane mode, the all wireless functionality is, switched off and then honestly, I do not recommend putting your cell phone next to your head because, you know, it's that very you're putting it right next to that very precious organ that your brain.

And, you know, frankly, people do so many things to look after their health to, you know, feel good and they eat well and they work out and, you know, they buy expensive creams and stuff to put on their skin. And yet this really basic thing, they abuse of this really handy thing called a cell phone, we can do many, so many things. They told me abuse of many times through ignorance. So don't be ignorant. These are the facts. And yeah, so that's just a quick overview of how to use a cell phone more safely.

And then beyond the cell phone, you know, the number two thing is the Wi-Fi at home. So everybody has Wi-Fi I don't because I got sick. I never even had the Wi-Fi. And that's by the way, we didn't talk about my story. But that's why I'm talking about this. Because I got sick using a cell phone. I got a reaction. I got very sick, and it lasted years. And, I had to go through a whole process to become, healthy again. And so I never had the Wi-Fi. But most people do, and most people sleep with Wi-Fi.

So that would be the starting point is switch the Dawn Wi-Fi off at night, and that would be by unplugging it. That's my preferred way of doing, once you've started doing that, then what? I that becomes a pain in the backside. Yeah. Doing it every night. Then I would recommend buying a mechanical timer. And so it switches off automatically. When you go to sleep. Okay. You do not need Wi-Fi when you sleep. Remember that zapping you when you sleep, when you're most vulnerable, when your body needs to heal, it can't.

And there's a lot of research on this too. Which, showing, how this, reduces the quality of our sleep and, and really, that's the next step with this is to use an Ethernet cable is to get rid of the Wi-Fi altogether and use a cable. And that's what I'm on now. I mean, even this little laptop I'm using to speak to you, it's all cabled, and I just roam the cable around the room. I did, and, it's not a big deal, and it's safer and it's faster. So this is, you know, so thus, so cell phones, Wi-Fi. And also a third tip is, you know, in your bedroom again, back to the bedroom thing because it is important those hours you spend in your bedroom, it's when your body, heals cellular rejuvenation, regeneration, detox a whole load of process is going on.

A whole load of protective processes protecting you, notably from cancer and all these DV diseases of the 21st century. Well, here's something you can try is to go down to your breaker panel, okay? And flip the switch. The circuit on the, electrical circuit for your bedroom and maybe the surroundings. So it is not the, circuit you can switch off next to your bedroom. Maybe the circuit underneath your bedroom, but you're trying to reduce those emfs in your bedroom, because, again, what I said at the beginning here was the wires are giving off electromagnetic fields.

And for instance, you you can be sleeping in total darkness, but you will I guarantee 95% of people are sleeping in an electric field. Because if you've got an electric light switch in your home, even with the electricity switched off, no power, no light, you have an electric field. When you switch it on, you have also a magnetic field. So all night sleeping in electric field. So switch it off. Do that for seven days. See how it goes. I'm not. Maybe you won't feel you know, maybe you'll feel worse.

Because you could be an imbalance in the your electrical circuits.

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This can happen. This is, you know, electricity is a bit weird and wonderful sometimes. And, in which case, I recommend getting an electrician to, have a look at this. Not complicated. And resolve this wiring issue again. Two thirds of homes, according to one study, have wiring issues. So this is another, big problem. And, which is worthy of looking at. So those are some really, quick tips. The people can do cell phone, the Wi-Fi and the electricity and then to take things further and kind of you already, we already took things further at the beginning is is really getting the meters, so getting like the trauma field meter, and, the meter for the, dirty electricity.

And that is taking things further. And then it's a question of just doing a little EMF audit in your home, going around with those meters. But notably, what's the most important room? Nathan? Your bedroom, obviously, the room where you sleep, and you do, some very thorough testing in your bedroom over seven days, multiple readings a day. Write it all down on a little sheet, like a little science experiment. And then you set about, mitigating, notably in your bedroom. And you do the same thing for all the other rooms where you spend any time.

Obviously, if you've got a humongous EMF in your garage, who cares if you're not in there? You know, if you're just in and out, it's not a problem. But it's rooms where you spend time. That's where the problem is. Yeah. Thank you so much, Lloyd, for really, you know, taking a very complex subject and unpacking it and making it super simple to understand. These are some obviously great tips people can do immediately. And I know you've got some great resources for people who want to go further. Also, you know, all of the interviews we cover in this symposium are practical things that people can do to enhance your immune system.

You know, increase your body's ability to heal itself faster. You know, the best anti-cancer fighting diet, which you're going to, you know, produce more natural antioxidants. You know, the right types of movement and exercise, which is going to help flush your lymphatic system. All these other things we cover in the symposium, make sure you're doing those as well. But if we're not mitigating and reducing our toxic exposure, you know, to to not only heavy metals and not only toxins in the food and water and not only, you know, toxins in the air and so forth, but these invisible toxins that are bombarding us every single day, as you've been talking about then, then obviously we are missing out on our higher potential of our body's ability to heal itself.

So, Lloyd, I just wanna say thank you so much for for this. And if I could just very quickly just say, you know, it's not because you're not feeling these exposures that they're not impacting you. That's the first thing is that the science is showing that the impacts everybody. Second thing is that the science is showing that these effects are cumulative. So they're impacting everybody and the cumulative and what's more obviously the growing, you know, we're going into 5G. Plans are already underway for six G and seven G.

So this is not going to stop anytime soon. So now is it time to get on board with this and do something about it? Well, maybe when we get into so obviously protect yourself. But then it's like for people who want to take larger action in their communities and their local, governments and, you know, federal government, what what can we do there? So we should do a follow up interview just on that because, you know, to, to stop these things from happening, we've got to take action as a collective society in general.

Right. And specific towards the companies that are putting all of these, you know, massive satellites around the world. So, yes, we got to protect ourselves. But then, you know, we need to get involved in local action, that we can it real quick as we finish is for people who are interested in that. Is there a resource or website somewhere people can go to? There is. So actually what I recommend for that is environmental health trusts. And they do a great job and that's a charity website. They do a great job of following this.

Doctor Debra Davis and her team, of sharing information on, actions around the world of, and it really is very possible. And people are doing it. People are stopping 5G around the world in little communities going to council meetings, holding up their hands and talking about this because what they find is the people, you know, that are running the local councils and what they don't know about this, right. So there is ignorance and then there are people that are willingly installing, you know, for the 5G and know something about the dangers.

But few people really understand just how dangerous this could be. And it is possible to stop it. And you're absolutely right that there is this put that we have to look at this on the personal level, and then it's about what we can do on a collective level. And also it's about you know, how you spend your money. Because if you if you've got that latest generation, iPhone, news, you know, with the $100 month, contracts, then you are feeding the beast. Know that you are feeding the beast. Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm considering going back to a flip phone.

I mean, you know, we all lived with without cell phones. You know, I was I was a growing up. I didn't have cell phones. I mean, we had cell phones. We had the flip phones, right? And we got by just fine with those. So I'm really considering going back to a flip phone. Which would help, of course. It's not the only solution, but I love the fact that you know, environmental health trust people can start getting involved in local communities. You know, that's what it's going to take in. Lloyd, we got to get you testifying in front of Congress, man.

Let's do that. Let's make that happen. I don't know, that's got to be a top priority as well, because, you know, we've got to make a big change on a national level. And and a global level. And I think, the thing is got help do it so. Well, I don't know if I'm the guy to do that, but the good news is that we can we, you know, we can overcome this so we can overcome it in terms of stopping the 5G. And then, you know, the thing is that most people that do get impacted by these, exposures to become electrically hypersensitive, like I was and I still am because I still feel it, but I don't get the symptoms then most of them, they don't overcome it.

But I did, and I know people that have. And so it is possible. And so it is quite a lot of work and it is really just totally, overhauling your life. But it is possible and everything is possible. Anything is possible. I truly believe that. Thank you so much, Lloyd. I really appreciate your time, your energy, your passion. As well as sharing, you know, all this great information with our community. And I want to thank everyone for tuning in to the conquering Cancer Summit. Please share this with friends and family.

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