Full Transcript Introduction to Mold and Immune Dysfunction 0:00 They're very tricky. 0:01 So there's three different ways they can impact the immune system. 0:04 They can actually impair the genetics of your immune system 0:08 so that you stop making smart antibodies. 0:12 And what we see a lot with like Epstein-Barr virus, the whole herpes 0:15 family, it's very common to have those be chronic and recurrent 0:19 in people who are exposed to mold because they are. 0:22 And a lot like Lyme, too. 0:24 They are particular microbes that rely on the immune system. 0:27 Remembering so that when season it's like, oh, right, I know about you. 0:31 And here's how we take care of you. Lyme is very important that way. 0:34 You know that you don't have 0:35 you don't like cure Lyme out of a body based body puts it in a jail. 0:39 Isn't that a good way to think of it? 0:41 So any infections like that where we have to keep it 0:44 in jail in our body mold will change your immunity. 0:47 This is doctor Talks, 0:49 real talk from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most. 0:55 Today on line bites. 0:56 I'm honored to welcome not just an expert, but a dear friend, doctor Jill Cresta, 1:01 a leading naturopathic doctor, educator and author who's helped 1:05 thousands unravel the mystery of micro toxin illness. 1:09 Her work has truly changed the game when it comes to 1:12 identifying and healing from mold related conditions. 1:15 And I can say that personally, having completed her mold certification course, 1:20 which was absolutely brilliant and packed with clinical insight.
How Doctor Krista Entered Mold Treatment 1:24 And this episode of Lyme Bites, Doctor Krista breaks down 1:27 how mold and mycotoxins disrupt the immune system, hijack 1:31 our health, and mimic or amplify complex chronic illnesses. 1:36 And more importantly, how to find your way back to health. 1:39 If you've been sick without answers, this conversation could be a breakthrough. 1:44 Get ready to challenge old models. 1:46 Embrace a functional root cause medicine perspective, 1:50 and uncover real hope for healing. 1:52 This is Lyme bites. 1:54 Let's dive in. 1:55 Welcome, doctor. 1:56 Krista, thank you so much for joining us today. 1:59 Let our audience know a little bit of how you chose 2:03 to specialize in treating mycotoxins illness. 2:07 It shows me 2:09 that I was working with chronic Lyme patients. 2:12 And acute, of course, but, that was that's how I started with the Lyme world was, 2:16 you know, an acute Lyme case. And then 2:20 I didn't know how to treat it. Right. 2:22 So then it became a chronic Lyme case, and then it was like, oh, 2:25 I wonder if these other people, it's actually Lyme. 2:28 And then, you know, away we went. 2:30 And when I went to the islands physician training, 2:34 I got really comfortable with a bigger toolbox, 2:37 you know, getting more comfortable with antibiotics and that kind of thing. 2:40 And it's amazing, like when you find and treat the cause, 2:43 people tend to get better. 2:45 It's kind of a novel concept. 2:47 Yeah. Wow. 2:50 Yeah. 2:50 And so here I was finally having the success, you know, at this thing 2:53 that I had missed before because as we know, Lyme is the great imitator. 2:59 But then there is a subset of people that still weren't getting better. 3:01 And in one of those patients, they found toxic black mold during a remodel. 3:05 And that was the Pandora's box opening for me, was like, 3:09 oh, I don't think I understand all the things mold can do. 3:13 And I just hit hit the books, you know, hit the research, and there's a ton 3:17 of animal research and, and realized that, like, where's all the human research 3:24 and realizes I'm reading these, like, mycotoxins 3:26 that are made from mold can cause birth defects. 3:29 They can cause cancer, they rewire the immune system. 3:33 And that's when I realized we're never going to have those studies. 3:37 Because you can't. 3:38 Medical ethics, thankfully, dictates that we can't say, hey, 3:42 who wants to sign up for a study where we're going to poison you, 3:45 and then we're going to give you milk? This on it should be okay. 3:47 It should work. 3:48 And we'll see. It works in animals, but we don't know. 3:51 Yeah. 3:51 You know, it was kind of like we're never going to get those studies. 3:54 So I just took the, you know, took the reins. 3:58 I was like, well, I'm not going to wait for a randomized clinical control trial. 4:02 I'm a naturopathic doctor. 4:04 I have a lot of comfort with these things like milk, this all turmeric. 4:07 You know, all of these things are giving you animals. Yeah. 4:09 Kind of know the human doses. Let's try it. 4:12 And people started to get better. 4:14 And so that's where. 4:15 And then, you know in the Lyme community 4:19 somebody gets better. 4:20 They tell people on Facebook and you know this is even pre Facebook, 4:25 you know, in the communities of like go see this lady. 4:27 So then I had the, the situation of people flying in from all over, 4:31 even Ecuador to see, you know, get treated for mold. 4:35 And then, you know, you tend to get 4:38 a, repetition success. 4:41 You know, there's just the when you see enough patients, 4:43 you see the trends of what's working, what's not working. 4:46 And I knew the things that I could throw away that I thought were going to be good, 4:50 but ended up not being good. 4:51 And then kept hitting the books to find new things, 4:54 you know, like, who knew grape seed extract would be good for mold? 4:57 Like I, I wouldn't have known that, 5:01 till I found an animal study. 5:02 And I was like, well, let me try it. And lo 5:05 and behold, their mycotoxins started dumping out of their kidneys faster. 5:09 So like, okay, you know, like, I'm just 5:13 I was just trying stuff. 5:15 And that's how how. We got here. 5:17 How long ago did you start treating mycotoxins? 5:20 Illness. 2000.
What Mycotoxins Are and How Mold Harms the Body 5:23 The the remodel, I think was in 2007. 5:25 That was the big. Like, okay. 5:27 Oh. You know, to 6 or 7, something like that. 5:30 Yeah. It's about 20. Years. 5:32 So for those who are new to this topic. 5:35 Yeah. 5:35 Can you explain what mycotoxins are and how they differ from molds 5:41 or just a mold exposure or a mold allergy. 5:45 Yeah. 5:45 So mold can make us sick with with a few different ways. 5:49 So the spores themselves 5:51 and those are what a lot of people have allergy symptoms to. 5:54 And then the fragments. 5:55 So the fragments are when a spore dies or breaks apart 5:58 and one spore can cause 300 to 500 fragments. 6:04 So if we think about mold, a one inch square of mold is a million spores. 6:09 And so if you go in and you're like, oh, we have Molnar carpet 6:12 and you try to tear it out without containing it and everything, 6:15 you've just released many, many more fragments. 6:18 And those are really hard on the lungs. 6:21 They're kind of like asbestos 6:22 that they can kind of lodge into the lung tissue and permanently irritate them. 6:27 So we have spores, spore fragments, 6:29 and then living mold spits out all of these chemicals. 6:33 So that can be anything from, VOC. 6:36 A lot of people think of VOCs from new materials, but microbes make them too. 6:40 And that can also be alcohol. 6:43 So some people can actually get kind of buzzed feeling when they're in. 6:47 There's, an environment where there's actively living mold 6:50 because they're spitting out this alcohol and you're taking it in into your body 6:54 so you can feel maybe a little bit drunk from breathing this moldy air. 6:58 But then there's this other fourth thing that is the mycotoxins. 7:02 And those are made by mold on purpose, not all the time 7:06 to compete with other microbes in the area. 7:09 So if they are starting to sense that another microbe wants to come in 7:13 and enjoy its humid spot, I kind of joke that it's lakefront property for mold. 7:17 You know, it's like humidity. 7:19 This is my favorite, you know, and it's very, very little bit of humidity. 7:23 Mull can grow it over 50% humidity. 7:26 So you know, in mold like New England where I am in the Midwest, like Pacific 7:31 Northwest, Florida coastal zones, you're dealing with way more than 50% humidity. 7:37 But so it really helps mold if we water it 7:40 and we keep our indoor environment humid. 7:42 So it'll move into a humid environment. 7:44 And if it knows there's another mold spore there, it'll start 7:47 making this chemical to kill the other microbe. 7:51 And that means they're super lethal. 7:53 And that's exactly what happens to us as well. 7:55 We're not the target, but by being in that environment, 7:59 it has all the same biological harm 8:03 to our bodies as it does to that other spore. 8:07 So it's mold spores, mold spore fragments, mold chemicals 8:10 when it's growing and then mycotoxins when it's feeling competitive. 8:14 So, you know, if there's a mycotoxins in the area, there's another mycotoxins 8:18 because the spores are going to be competing. 8:21 Yeah. 8:22 So there's often more than one species of mold present 8:26 that are making the different types of mycotoxins. 8:29 Yeah. And that's the trick. 8:31 And so in my patient population, 8:34 even before I was, you know, the mold lady say, just like chronic Lyme, 8:40 mold allergy accounted for anywhere from 5 to 15%, 8:44 usually around 10% of the symptoms. 8:45 And that's going to be your spore reactions. 8:47 Spores induce mast cells and histamine like nobody's business. 8:51 They're very, very good at that. 8:53 So that's going to be respiratory stuff. 8:55 And this is what the CDC recognizes is mold illness. 8:59 And then if you're really immune depleted it goes all the way to the other side 9:02 of aspergillosis. 9:03 So that's when the fungus is actually coming in. It's invading. 9:06 It's infecting. 9:08 But in my patient population 9:10 there were 80 to 90% of symptoms that are not accounted for 9:15 from the spores. 9:16 Right. And that's the mycotoxins. 9:18 And that's going to be things more in the range 9:21 of toxin based symptoms versus allergy. 9:24 And I can go through the kind of the typical cluster if that's helpful. 9:28 Yeah, I think that would be great. 9:30 And something that I also want you to address, because I know 9:33 that this is the most baffling piece and almost makes the diagnosis feel 9:39 dis believable to family members, 9:42 is why you can have a family of, say, four 9:46 and you have a mother who is completely 9:49 neurologically impaired 9:52 and the father has no symptoms, and maybe one child has a cough 9:57 and then the other child is is pretty much fine. 10:00 And so it's like this disbelief that one person can be so impaired 10:06 by something that they cannot see, 10:09 smell or taste, you know. 10:12 Right. 10:13 Right. 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Why Mold Affects Family Members Differently 12:22 So if you have already amassed a lot of toxicity, 12:25 you're going to be more sensitive. 12:26 And we learned this from animal studies to people who are higher in DHEA, 12:31 their cells were more protected. 12:32 So the De is a fish oil for those that are listening. 12:36 And what it functions as is a structural component of our brain and nervous system. 12:40 In animal studies, if there were mice that had more DHEA in their brain 12:45 and nervous system, it actually bumped the mycotoxins off the membrane. 12:49 It was like, no, no, no, you can't come, no, you can't come in here. 12:52 So it keeps the mycotoxins in the bloodstream 12:54 so the body can detoxify it better. 12:56 We see if you're lower in reduce glutathione in your 13:00 in your tissues, in your mitochondria, then you're more affected than an animal. 13:05 We're animals that didn't have that much, bio paranoids. 13:09 So there are these certain nutrients that can lead someone to be more susceptible. 13:13 So it's genetics, it's diet. 13:16 It's your previous exposures 13:18 not just to mold but to toxicity in general. 13:21 So how how high is your cup filling up. 13:24 And we're all given a different sized cup when we're born. 13:26 So for some people a little bit of toxicity 13:29 is going to spill over into symptoms a lot sooner than someone who is like one 13:33 of those super detox ers, you know, people that can drink, smoke, go to McDonald's. 13:38 You know, they're just like, they're fine. 13:40 They sleep great. They poop every day. 13:42 You know, it's just like, yeah, what are you made of? 13:45 You know? So yeah, that's a big piece. 13:48 Also, who's closest to the mold? 13:51 Who's got the vent right by if it's in their furnace 13:55 and the vent is coming down onto them while they sleep. 13:58 Who's got the mold right on the wall where the head of their bed is? 14:02 Who's got mold at school also. 14:03 So it's getting a double whammy exposure. 14:06 We find in, in a lot of families, the person that's most affected 14:11 when we bring in, you know, the inspectors or the mold dog or whatever, 14:14 they're the ones that are closest to the most toxic mold, 14:18 even if there is less toxic mold in other places in the house, 14:22 the ones closest to the toxic species tend to be more affected, 14:27 so lots of things can play into it. 14:29 The biggest thing in our research, doctor Neil, Nathan and I have a, research 14:34 project going on right now to validate the clinical questionnaire that I developed. 14:37 And all of these years, we're finding that previous or known exposure, 14:43 but previous exposure is one of the most key 14:47 problems or symptoms or whatever, that's going to make you a mold sick person. 14:52 So that goes back to that colonization thing. 14:54 Like if you had a bad exposure before and it has changed 14:59 the microbiome of your sinuses and your respiratory passages, 15:03 that's going to make you a 15:04 much faster responder to the next exposure. 15:09 That makes sense. 15:10 I mean, it does. 15:11 I mean, it's although, you know, we'll talk to EMT is who say, if 15:16 you can't, you know, everyone has fungus in their sinuses, what's the big deal? 15:20 And I agree with them. 15:22 Everyone has fungus in their sinuses. 15:24 The big deal is, according to Doctor Brewer's study, which blew my mind 15:29 and completely revolutionized how I was treating, 15:33 it that the ones that are sick 15:35 and sick from water damage, building those spores 15:39 aren't just things you breathe in and you breathe back out again. 15:42 They become residents, 15:44 and when they're being residents, they're not good neighbors. 15:48 They're making mycotoxins. 15:50 So if we tested healthy people and sick people made sick from water 15:53 damage building with chronic fatigue, which was what his study was, they sampled 15:57 all kinds of they sampled, sinuses, 16:00 lung, gut, brain, sampled all these tissues. 16:04 And lo and behold, everybody had fungus up there and their noses, 16:07 but only the sick people did they find mycotoxins. 16:11 And so that's, you know, I work with a, 16:13 really talented ENT doctor, Donald Dennis, in Atlanta, Georgia. 16:17 I send a lot of patients to him. 16:19 And the very first patient that I sent, he had sinus symptoms. 16:22 But you don't have to have sinus symptoms, have sinus colony colonization. 16:26 And that's what blows everybody's mind. 16:28 But this guy did. 16:29 And so I was like, I think you need the surgery. 16:31 And he has, he has a cyclone machine that, like, 16:35 sprays in it, conocen and sucks it all out again or whatever. 16:39 But he had to take a fungal ball out of this patient first. 16:43 He puts it on the on the sterile cloth. 16:47 And that fungal ball half hour later had made mycotoxins. 16:51 It was still making mycotoxins even out of the body. 16:55 So you and this patient had like Parkinsonian autism. 16:58 Yeah, he doesn't anymore. 17:00 He's perfectly healthy now. You know. 17:02 And he was he wasn't able to walk without a cane before that. 17:06 And it's like. Amazing. 17:08 Why wouldn't we treat that you know and that's it. 17:10 And you say that I overdo the treatment and I'm like, why? 17:14 Why did you get rid of that? 17:15 Those are right by your brain, you know. 17:19 Yeah. 17:20 Incredible I it is your. 17:23 Story after story about success stories. 17:25 So I hope anyone listening if you're getting worried or scared I have 17:29 I cannot tell you. 17:30 It's rare to not have somebody do better, you know? 17:34 So just stick with it. 17:37 That's great advice. 17:38 Okay. 17:38 So take let's take a step back because I got us ahead of ourselves. 17:42 Yeah. 17:42 So please tell us tell us the symptoms of true mycotoxins 17:47 and illness versus like, a mold allergy. 17:51 Yeah, I think most people know what an allergy feels like. Yeah, right. 17:53 You know, you're 17:54 you get exposed, you start sneezing, you get itchy, and your eyes water 17:57 and your throat scratchy, and, you know, your lungs might get irritated. 18:01 There's a lot of cases of asthma that started with a mold exposure. 18:05 And there again, I think lungs get colonized. 18:07 So, that's like the allergy side. 18:11 So for an adult, it looks a little bit different than a kid. 18:14 In a kid, they're going to respond first with more skin stuff 18:18 because they're little sponges. 18:20 And we can take these mycotoxins into our skin 18:23 so they'll have a skin thing before they have their brain go off. 18:27 So whereas an adult, typically it's going to be brain fog, fatigue, 18:33 that the idea of 18:34 just like your brain literally runs out of gas and visual problems as well 18:39 kind of feels that way, that you have trouble comprehending, you have trouble 18:43 reading, and the eyes can feel like they just literally run out of fuel 18:48 and that you just need to, like, I just need to close down 18:50 and shut down for a little bit just so I can, you know, rest my eyes. 18:55 Almost. 18:56 Ear ringing is very common with mold, so I'm just going top to bottom. 18:59 Young headaches. We can see headaches, of course. 19:02 Sinus and allergy. 19:04 So don't don't rule that out. 19:06 You know, if you're like, oh, she didn't mention that. Mycotoxins. 19:08 If you have mycotoxins on your nose and in your sinuses 19:11 it's going to irritate stuff. 19:12 So you'll get more reactivity. 19:16 You can see irritated lungs 19:18 is where we're talking about any kind of skin problem. 19:22 Now that in grown ups, that tends to happen 19:24 after the brain fog, whereas in kids it's going to go the other way. 19:28 But whatever your skin thing is, if it's acne, it's going to make it worse. 19:33 If it's more aging, it's going to make that was so. 19:36 It just takes your Achilles heel of your skin and goes goes with it. 19:41 Yeah. Gut problems are very common. 19:44 So irritable bowel Sibo, so small intestine bacterial overgrowth
Mold Exposure, Chronic Illness, and Hidden Symptoms 19:49 because the mycotoxins change the, the speed of our, our peristalsis. 19:54 So the squeezing of the tube of our gut, it'll slow those things down. 19:57 And then you can get bacteria moving to places in the gut. 20:01 It's not supposed to go. 20:02 A lot of times we'll see bloating food reactions. 20:06 There might be food reactions to histamine containing foods like leftovers. 20:11 That's a really common one. 20:12 Or broth and things that are cooked for a long, long time. 20:17 And then another really odd one is pelvic pain. 20:20 That is really commonly a mold problem. 20:24 And the reason is that we detoxify these a lot through our urine. 20:28 And if, if the urine is there too long, 20:31 those mycotoxins are just move into the nervous system of that area. 20:34 And it when mycotoxins are there, they ping, 20:37 they just continuously ping the nerves. 20:39 That's why your ringing is common, 20:41 because if you're breathing them in through your nose and sinuses 20:44 now you get a buildup in that area and it just pings the nerves. 20:47 And so you get constant ringing. 20:49 So pelvic pain and ear ringing, visual problems, fatigue, messed up gut. 20:53 I'm like, 20:55 we need to be talking about mold. 20:57 Yeah. 20:58 And in kids we've also see also grown ups. 21:00 So kids will we'll display this a little faster. 21:03 Is urinary frequency because the body knows oh there's a toxin there. 21:08 So let's get rid of it. It's really smart right. 21:11 But it's inconvenient if you have a kid who can't go to the bathroom 21:14 other than at recess time, you know, that can be really a problem. 21:18 Some kids actually refuse to go to school because they don't want to be embarrassed 21:21 from having to pee all the time. 21:23 Yeah, yeah. 21:25 So when it comes to, like, a family, right? 21:28 That's all being exposed. 21:30 And we have these varying degrees 21:33 of response from the body. 21:36 It's just as dangerous for 21:39 everybody to be living in that environment. 21:42 Right? 21:42 It's not just the person who because they have other genetic 21:48 or structural or, you know, environmental hits against them. 21:54 Right? It's equally as dangerous. 21:57 And a lot of these mycotoxins can lead to cancers and, and other 22:02 debilitating neurological diseases down the road that are more chronic. 22:07 And we're just going to, you know, get explained away anyways 22:12 like something like Parkinson 22:14 are you suffering from Lyme disease or another complex chronic illness 22:18 and aren't sure who to trust when it comes to herbal supplements? 22:21 Hi, I'm Doctor Mariah Hinchey, founder of Lyme Core Botanicals, 22:26 as a naturopathic physician specializing in complex, 22:29 chronic infection driven illnesses like Lyme disease, 22:33 I needed herbal medicine I could truly trust. 22:36 That's why I formulated Lyme core botanicals, 22:39 where our herbal tinctures are handcrafted in small batches. 22:42 Right here in Connecticut, we use the whole herb 22:45 never isolates to preserve the full spectrum of medicinal compounds. 22:50 Every single step, from sourcing to extraction is done 22:54 with precision to ensure maximum purity, potency and consistency. 23:00 These are the same herbal formulas I used to heal myself 23:03 and have used for years to help my patients and family members heal too, 23:08 and now I'm making them available to practitioners and patients everywhere. 23:13 Lyme Core Botanicals herbal medicine you can trust from a doctor 23:17 who lives this work. 23:19 Learn more at Lyme Core Botanicals. 23:21 That's Ali and E schoharie.com. 23:31 Yep, yep. 23:32 And Doctor Bredesen talks about inhalational Alzheimer's. 23:35 This is linked to breathing and mycotoxins. 23:37 And they go to the brain. 23:39 So the person who's not reacting 23:42 is just not reacting yet right. 23:45 Militaries around the world use these mycotoxins for bio warfare. 23:49 They wouldn't do it if it didn't impact everyone. 23:51 So it's a matter of dose duration, which mycotoxins? 23:54 Some are more toxic and potent than others. 23:57 And so when I you know, usually it is the dad who's not the reactor. 24:01 And that just has to do with 24:02 like the more body fat you have, the more you can take on these toxins. 24:05 And you know that no judgment on dads is just your biology and say thank you. 24:09 You know? 24:10 And also, testosterone is an amazing anti-inflammatory. 24:13 So, you know, that that could be just that, 24:17 you know, they're able to handle it for a while. 24:21 However, when we test testosterone levels 24:25 and we look at testicular function, 24:28 we got a problem because a lot of these mycotoxins 24:32 will they're harmful to the testes themselves. 24:35 They cause testicular damage. 24:37 And so when we can start to see, like my long term patients that I had, 24:42 that were healthy and we were, you know, just tracking 24:44 I always am in men's men's health is like dear to my heart. 24:48 There's a reason God gave me boys because I just like, you know, like, I'm. 24:52 I'm a boy, mom. 24:53 And I was like, oh, you men, you're so forgotten by the medical system. 24:56 So I had a lot of male patients that were, you know, either working on, like 25:00 optimizing their VO2 max to I, you know, I've got a problem 25:04 or hair loss or who knows what. 25:05 So I noticed the patients that were having a new mold problem 25:09 or they moved into a new home, a new house. 25:12 They had mold, their testosterone was tanking. 25:15 And I was like, this kind of makes sense, actually, 25:17 because if the liver is busy working out the toxins, it's not going 25:22 to get around to balancing hormones because the liver makes our hormones. 25:26 Right. 25:27 But then also some mycotoxins are estrogenic. 25:31 And so I was not 25:32 only seeing their estradiol go up, I was seeing their testosterone attack. 25:36 So that's what I asked dads, is 25:39 will you fill out my and your pores questionnaire? 25:42 How is your test doing? 25:44 And a lot of times they were starting to get muscle mass wasting, 25:49 trouble gaining weight, hair loss issues, you know, erectile dysfunction. 25:55 There was that is how mold can affect a man 25:59 before it even shows up as like the typical toxicity. 26:03 Right? Yeah. 26:05 That's important to think about. 26:07 Very. 26:08 And it's important also to address and treat because that, 26:11 you know, low testosterone is not just about sex drive. 26:14 It's about bone density. 26:16 It's about brain health. 26:17 It's about cardiovascular health. 26:19 Like this isn't just about, oh, I couldn't have sex, you know, 26:21 not that that's not important, but it's really important for the whole body. 26:25 There's a reason 26:26 why we have these hormones, and it's more than more than a sex drive. 26:30 Way more. Way more. 26:32 So how would you advise 26:35 our listeners who have medical practitioners 26:38 that they're seeing that say there's mold in every house, there is mold outside? 26:43 We are all constantly exposed to mold. 26:46 Your naturopathic doctor is crazy, you know, for 26:51 for suggesting that mycotoxins illness be a piece of 26:55 what's going on with you or your loved one, right? 26:58 What do you how do you care for them to handle that? 27:02 Sort of, because I mean, it is true, right? 27:05 It it is true. 27:06 There's mold everywhere. Yeah. 27:08 But how do you respond to that? 27:11 So the mold that is outside is part of nature. 27:15 And so it acts more naturally. 27:18 It has all these nature forces that keep it from acting out 27:22 of a harmonious way. 27:24 So it's got the mycelial network in the soil. 27:27 That is really the supreme intelligence on the planet is like 27:30 it's connecting the trees it's talking to. 27:33 Is it going to rain? 27:34 You know, all of that is going on. 27:36 And then you've got, you know, UV light, you have wind, you have air movement, 27:42 you have little insects 27:43 that drink up all the dew in the morning and take care of the excess water. 27:47 That's not happening in an indoor environment. 27:50 So it's rare to find a mold to make mycotoxins outside. 27:55 The only time it's 27:56 doing that is if it is like in a swampy environment 27:59 that does, that has lost, you know, it's gotten like an algae 28:02 infusion or a chemical infusion or something like that inside. 28:06 We don't have any of that. 28:07 So we have no wisdom. 28:09 It's disconnected from its internet, so to speak, you know, and it's got moisture. 28:15 It's favorite, you know, food and water basically, and competition. 28:20 Wanting the same thing without air movement, 28:22 without UV light, without insects taking up that extra moisture. 28:26 So you've got a problem and it acts very unnaturally. 28:29 It's not normal for mold to make the mycotoxins it's making. 28:33 And actually when they're trying to create it in a lab, 28:35 there's a lot of old research about how to make these bioweapons. 28:38 They have to add certain nutrients to a plate to grow it 28:43 well enough to make it mad enough to make mycotoxins. 28:47 Mycotoxins are incredibly energetically expensive for the mold to make. 28:51 It doesn't want to do that. 28:53 It weighs a ton of its resources to make these so. 28:57 But inside, if it doesn't have all of those forces, it will. 29:02 It will take the cost, 29:02 because it also has plenty of water and plenty of food in your house. 29:07 Yeah. So remediation. 29:09 I think anyone that knows anything about mold, you know, 29:12 remediation is a very serious thing that has to be done appropriately. 29:18 And so when I ask you this question, keep in mind I'm not asking you 29:21 from a big, you know, remediation standpoint, but if someone has like 29:26 even a little bit of surface mold that they might see
Mold in Buildings and Why Remediation Matters 29:30 what would be an effective way to approach cleaning it up, that isn't going to 29:36 just kind of piss it off and make it make more mycotoxins, right? 29:42 You know, so something that's effective in cleaning it but isn't going to cause 29:46 future problems because I know bleach can lead to problems. 29:50 I'm pretty sure using like, white vinegar is the best. 29:54 But then there's all these other industrial mold cleaners. 29:58 What in your opinion? 29:59 Again, if it's small, if it's isolated, 30:03 what is the weight? No. 30:05 Non-porous on a non-porous material, right. 30:08 Yeah. Yeah. 30:09 So of course remediation needs to happen if you have any mold affected 30:13 animal defective material 30:16 that is has any porous ness to it at all. 30:18 So that would be drywall wood. 30:21 You know, anything that is not tile or concrete basically. 30:25 That needs to be removed. 30:27 That's the gold standard. 30:27 Like it just needs to be removed. 30:29 There is no such thing as dead mold. 30:32 Although the inspectors will say 30:35 we tested it and it's dead mold. 30:38 What that means is it's not growing little roots. 30:40 It's not in growth mode. 30:42 But that means that a dormant spore, dormant spores 30:46 can regrow anytime the humidity goes back up of them about 50%. 30:50 So there is no such thing as dead mold. 30:52 There's only a fragment. 30:55 And so an important thing 30:57 would be like when people say, well, we took it down to the studs. 31:01 Well, unless your studs are made of metal, right? 31:05 So like if you have two by fours that make up the framing of your house, 31:09 or if the sill of your house, you know, is, is made out of wood. 31:13 Wood is porous, and taking things down to the studs 31:18 might not necessarily be 31:21 eliminating all of the mold that's there in the home. 31:24 Exactly. Yeah. 31:25 We tested this in my own house. 31:27 I was like, 31:28 I was the perfect person for this to happen to because we tested every step 31:33 and there was one time where the remediate was found in our basement. 31:36 We had wood framing, and they weren't able to come back for another three weeks. 31:41 And I was like, okay, 31:43 so what I want you to do is in this section, don't do anything. 31:48 And it was my whole basement. 31:49 So we had plenty of room to play with. Yeah. 31:51 In this section I want you to treat it with essential oils. 31:56 And in that because the, you know I'm going to say to you 31:59 guys, I see mold at the base of that sill 32:02 and I want it out, but they're like, yeah, we can't come back for three weeks. 32:05 And then on this one, I want you to do your normal MSR 32:08 mold stain remover, which has no mold killing in it at all. 32:11 All it does is remove the stain. 32:13 Oh, by the way. 32:15 And then we tested bleach. 32:16 So the. 32:18 And then when they came back in three weeks they removed all of it. 32:20 We sent it for testing the stuff that was left alone. 32:26 What happened with that? 32:26 Just stayed the same. 32:28 The essential oils did reduce the mold count, 32:30 but there was still mold when we removed the sill 32:32 and we turned it upside down and had a bunch of black mold in there, 32:35 you couldn't see it. 32:37 There's a ton of black mold. 32:38 The MSR and the bleach grew 32:41 two additional species of toxic, more toxic mold. 32:44 So we water basically. 32:46 And that's what a lot of these guys are doing. 32:49 So what, if you can't access it to sand it off 32:53 like the bottom of the cell plate, that was touching the concrete, 32:56 that has to come out because it will just regrow. 32:59 Right? 33:00 It's it's you know, this is a very tenacious creature we're talking about. 33:05 So if it can be accessed with a sander, 33:09 they need to sand off. 33:10 So it's physically removing it. 33:12 Physically removing it is the only treatment not fogging. 33:17 Yeah I mean so 33:19 yeah. 33:20 So let's go back. To a non porous material. 33:23 So not a little bit of mold. 33:25 It's on a non-porous material. 33:27 What do we clean it up with. 33:28 Yes. Here the most common one is your toilet bowl 33:32 your toilet bowl that little pink stuff that grows if you are not getting around 33:36 to cleaning your toilet, that's not likely to have a Kotomi. 33:41 So it can be a bacteria. 33:42 So let me ask you this if you have 33:45 I mean, can you tell a patient, you know, like, do do you ever do this? 33:49 Do you ask a patient what they see growing in their toilet bowl? 33:52 And I mean, could that be a sign or would that just be coming from the air, 33:57 or do you think that would also be coming out of 34:00 of said patient who's, who's peeing and detoxing into the toilet. 34:03 Right. It could be coming out any of those. 34:06 But the one that is most interesting is the tank. 34:09 If there's funky stuff in your tank, 34:12 that's a mold problem somewhere in your house. 34:14 It found the new lakefront property, so toilet tanks it like 34:20 people need to be watching those because that can be an early indicator. 34:23 You're not adding your own biological material to the tank, 34:26 but you are out in the bowl so the balls don't. 34:29 But you know, I was just like giving an example of like, 34:33 it can be very easy to clean if it's a non-porous material. 34:38 But yeah, watch your toilet tanks. 34:39 Everybody. 34:40 So if it's just like, let's say, like when I was in Hawaii, 34:45 the tile would get 34:48 a little overspray, you know, in the shower, 34:50 and then within the day it would grow mold because it's just so humid there. 34:55 And that's tile, you know, that's not the grout. 34:58 Grout is a little tricky. 34:59 If it's not, you know, sealed and all of that. 35:02 This is tile. 35:03 And you could just use time essential oil. 35:05 There are products that have that are using this one's called benefit or ease. 35:10 Three. See 35:12 time is wonderful because it prevents 35:15 the mold from making mycotoxins to defend itself. 35:18 So that's one of the things we know. 35:20 When you're going to go 35:21 after mold, it'll start to make this because it's a bio weapon, right? 35:25 So it's like, oh, I'll defend myself and I'll make all of these mycotoxins. 35:30 Well, time stops it from being able to do that. 35:33 And it's antifungal. 35:34 So while you're in the process of wiping it up, 35:38 you can use the 35:38 time to, to get rid of it, but also stop it from defending itself 35:42 most of the time, what I like to use rather than those products, 35:45 if you have kind of a problematic area like that, like in the in the bathroom 35:49 when I was staying, you know, at a conference for Hawaii, 35:52 I brought thyme essential oil and just put it on cotton balls 35:56 and set it around the room. That was humid. 35:58 The bathroom that. 35:59 So then I'm not adding more water to the problem. 36:03 But yeah, it was shocking. 36:04 I was like, whoa, this grew mold really fast. 36:07 So I'm going to need to be doing some prevention. 36:10 Yeah. Good to know. 36:12 Yeah. 36:13 All right. So let's shift gears. 36:14 Let's talk about mycotoxins and the immune system. 36:18 So more in relation to the theme of this podcast. 36:22 So when you have a chronic infection driven illness 36:27 like Lyme, other vector borne diseases, long Covid pans, pandas, etc., 36:32 how do mycotoxins specifically impact the immune system? 36:38 They're very tricky. 36:39 So there's three different ways they can impact the immune system. 36:42 They can actually, 36:44 like impair the genetics of your immune system 36:48 so that you stop making smart antibodies. 36:52 And what we see a lot with like, Epstein-Barr virus, the whole herpes 36:56 family, it's very common to have those be chronic and recurrent in people 37:01 who are exposed to mold because they are an a lot like Lyme, too. 37:06 They are particular microbes that rely on the immune system remembering 37:11 so that when season it's like, oh, right, I know about you. 37:14 And here's how we take care of you. 37:16 Lyme is very important that way. 37:17 You know that you don't have you don't like cure Lyme out of a body based body. 37:22 Puts it in a in jail. 37:24 That's a good way to think of it. 37:26 So any infections like that where we have to keep it in 37:29 jail in our body, mold will change your immunity. 37:33 So the those B cells, those memory cells no longer remember the virus. 37:38 So they have to recite it all over again, like Groundhog Day. 37:43 The other way is it's toxic to the actual immune cells themselves. 37:47 So these these eater cells, these macrophages, 37:50 which are supposed to go out and like eat things 37:52 that that aren't good for us, they start to function. 37:56 So it won't even attached to that 37:59 offender anymore and it loses its ability to eat them. 38:03 Basically. 38:04 And then just inflammation, it creates so much inflammation 38:09 that it changes our ability. 38:11 Epigenetic Lee, 38:12 which means around the genes to say, hey, we would like you to express 38:16 more anti inflammatory antibodies rather than inflammatory.
How Mycotoxins Disrupt the Immune System 38:21 It'll choose mast cells more prevalently than an antibody reaction. 38:27 So it's it's a mess you know. 38:28 So then what's the result. You're susceptible to stuff. 38:31 You don't get rid of stuff. 38:32 Once you get it you have more inflammation. 38:34 You have more mast cells, more histamine. 38:36 And you have a wimpy immune system wired that way, 38:41 which we can reverse all of that, by the way. 38:43 Yeah, definitely. 38:44 You just have to take the whole body approach. Yes. 38:49 Go figure. 38:51 So I know you work with many patients 38:54 or have worked with so many patients that have overlapping conditions. 38:59 How often were you seeing mycotoxins, illness, 39:04 at the root of these complex chronic cases. 39:10 Boy, I would say it's 39:12 it's in the above 80s percent. 39:16 I mean, it's been hidden. 39:18 It's it's like you said, you don't smell it. 39:21 There's no sign, right? 39:22 You know, and and it's also something that is really, 39:28 kind of 39:28 Pooh poohed, you know, of like, oh, come on, it's just it's so normalized. 39:32 There's the word like an inspector who gets called into 39:36 sick buildings all the time. 39:37 So they have a selection bias, right? 39:39 They have a bias of all homes or moldy. 39:42 They will say things like that, like, oh, it's just Aspergillus and Penicillium. 39:45 They call it even. 39:46 They have a nickname for it because it's so common. 39:48 Aspen, it's just little aspen. 39:50 We see it all the time. 39:52 That's not normal. 39:54 Just because you see it all the time doesn't mean that's good. 39:57 That's not healthy, you know? 39:59 So yeah, we're building houses. 40:01 This is this is a growing problem because of how 40:04 we're building our buildings. 40:05 We build the same building structure no matter where you live. 40:10 So if it's humid, if it's coastal, if it's dry, if it's, you know, 40:14 and there's crawl spaces, 40:16 there are these building practices that are just problematic. 40:21 And then Hvac, like there were a ton of, 40:26 furnaces and air conditioning units that got moldy on the inside 40:29 because they added insulation right where their drip pan was. 40:33 So it's just like, this is a completely preventable problem. 40:36 That's why we're doing our research, is we're trying to get a lot of, 40:41 published research on human effects 40:43 to change policy and to bring about regulation 40:47 in not only in mold inspection and remediation, which 40:51 both of those fields are really lacking in any kind of regulation. 40:55 But also in building like, let's stop building this problem. 40:59 Right? Right. 41:00 Yeah. There should be certain 41:01 specifications depending on the region and the environment. 41:05 But you know, it's funny, I had I had a patient the other day 41:09 whose inspector literally told her, oh, this is just normal house mold. 41:15 And how do you know? 41:16 And how do I like how you know? 41:18 And I mean, when you've, you know, 41:20 they did what you said, they did the dust test, they got the inspector, 41:24 the inspector comes out in the inspector normalizes or poopoo is that they do. 41:30 Yeah. 41:30 They don't even allow the people who are doing the big work like my inspector. 41:35 They don't even allow her to speak at these conferences anymore. 41:38 Because who's behind? 41:39 Who's the who are the exhibitors? 41:41 Insurance companies. 41:42 Wow. That's. 41:44 We're training inspectors to not find mold, 41:47 to save the insurance companies money. 41:50 It's just all it's all a mess. 41:52 It's a mess. 41:53 It's kind of like the complex, chronic illness 41:56 sort of realm with functional medicine. Right? 41:58 It's like nobody's teaching doctors and medical school 42:02 how to diagnose or treat any of this. 42:06 So now people are going out and specializing in it 42:09 and spending a boatload more money on training and certifications 42:13 and understanding, and then actually taking the time with the patient 42:16 so they can no longer be part of the insurance model. 42:19 So now patients have to pay you know, ten times more out of pocket 42:22 to see one of these specialists to help them. 42:25 And it's like, you know, everything is being driven 42:29 by like this monster machine of in of insurance and everything else. 42:33 And wow, we could go down a huge rabbit hole 42:36 right now, and now it's going to lead us there. 42:39 Which is why we're doing what we are doing. 42:41 We are out here educating, you know, creating solutions 42:46 and, you know, so that people can that's the other thing. 42:49 If you're listening to that and you feel like then there's no hope. 42:52 That is absolutely not true. 42:54 Because now we have things like YouTube and we have podcasts, and we have people 42:59 who have been doing this, like you with your your Lyme core products. 43:03 You've been doing this for ages. 43:05 You know what works. You know the combinations. 43:07 Same thing with me with a light. 43:09 It's just all all these solutions. 43:12 We're making it easier for people to access it and we're training more doctors. 43:15 So there's you can do a lot of this DIY. 43:19 You Chakan. 43:20 Yeah. 43:21 So back to the complex chronic illness. 43:23 Let's say, you know, like whether it's Lyme, it's long Covid, 43:27 it's a child with patterns. 43:29 What are some of the biggest clues? 43:31 Like if you had to say the top three clues that there's also 43:35 mycotoxins in the mix because so many of the symptoms overlap. 43:40 Are there any like really big hallmark symptoms that would make you 43:46 or should make someone else think mycotoxins are in the mix? 43:51 Yeah, it's 43:52 almost more, an exclusion, which makes it hard. 43:56 I mean, that's what we found in our research, 43:58 is that when you look at a pie chart of all of the symptoms, 44:01 it was a very split up. 44:04 Almost every symptom had an equal pie chart size. 44:08 So it's like, what's the cardinal symptom. 44:12 And that's what's hard about it. 44:13 That's so 44:14 the questionnaire that I developed is a tool people can use in our research. 44:19 It is showing that if you have a ten or above score, and this is based 44:22 on our previous scoring, you know, we're we're modifying it. 44:25 But if you have a ten or above on that questionnaire, 44:28 it is a positive predictive value for multiple mycotoxins in your body. 44:33 And so yeah I was going to say where 44:36 can listeners go to do your questionnaire. 44:40 They can go to Doctor Chris Dicom. 44:42 It's on there in the handout. 44:44 So you can just get a downloadable PDF. 44:46 If you want to be part of our study, you can go to mold iq.org 44:50 and fill it out online. 44:52 And then you get the PDF downloaded to you. 44:54 And then we get that data that says, hey, you know, but 44:57 we need people who actually have mycotoxins testing 45:00 within the month of the time they fill out the symptom questionnaire. 45:04 Our whole goal right now is just validate the questionnaire. 45:07 Are these symptoms correlated to these mycotoxins 45:09 that were in that person's body the time we tested. 45:12 So if you just want to like test yourself just go to my website. 45:15 You can download it. 45:17 And then you just fill out your score.
Testing Strategies and the Mold Questionnaire 45:19 And if it's a ten or above, 45:21 there's a very high risk that you have mold and mycotoxins. 45:25 Whereas with Lyme we do get that like the migration piece. 45:29 That is a little bit of a hint. 45:31 Mold does not have the migration. 45:33 So if that's part of your picture, I kind of I don't exclude mold. 45:36 But, you know, I might say I think this we need to go down the 45:40 the MSDS questionnaire out. 45:42 Let's just see what your score is there. 45:45 But if they 45:46 have a ten or above, I'm kind of like, yeah, I think mold is part of why 45:50 you have migrating problems and you can't fight Lyme 45:53 because you don't have an intact immune system. 45:56 Respiratory problems are more common with mold than with Lyme, 46:00 although if it's Mike on plasm, pneumonia 46:03 can also be a long hanger on. 46:05 That could be mycoplasma, but sometimes 46:08 mycotoxins are getting in the way of you finding that off too. 46:11 For most people, mycoplasma ammonia is a nonevent. 46:15 It's more common to be asymptomatic. 46:18 So it kind of depends on what what symptom picture I'm looking at. 46:21 And just remembering everybody reacts a little bit differently. 46:25 And that's why I came up with the questionnaire because I'm impatient. 46:28 It was crazy making sure me I was like, which you know, 46:32 am I going to ask them to spend a bunch of money on, 46:35 a home inspector when I'm like, I think it might be mom. 46:39 You know, that's not that's not convincing enough. 46:43 So, yeah, that's why I created the questionnaire. 46:45 Because we, you know, way back, we only had one way to test for mold. 46:51 But now we have more, more things we can look at. 46:53 I can talk about some of those things that that's helpful of, like. 46:56 One of the I was my next question. 46:59 So but just for all of the listeners. 47:02 So if you do have mycotoxins illness, if you've tested 47:07 and you are positive for mycotoxins, 47:10 you can literally help to change 47:15 the way of detecting this. 47:16 So you can help so many other people and even yourself in the future 47:20 to save money on testing by being able to validate this questionnaire. 47:26 Yeah. 47:27 So please, if you have mycotoxins illness and you have a test, go on. 47:32 It takes a couple of minutes to fill this out. 47:35 And then literally you will be part of changing history 47:38 and changing the ability to use this test 47:42 to detect and diagnose mycotoxins illness. 47:45 Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. You name the data. 47:48 So there's so much confusion about mold testing. 47:52 So what is your current go to approach for identifying 47:55 mycotoxins illness both in the patient but also in the environment? 48:00 Yeah there is a lot of confusion about this. 48:03 And I have done more split sample testing than anybody that I know 48:06 on the planet, which means we take these same sample 48:10 on the same day from the same patient, and you send it out to multiple labs. 48:15 And what I learned is that all the labs have value. 48:19 So the question of what's your favorite test is not the right question. 48:24 The right question is, what is the best cluster for the patient 48:28 in front of you to answer the question you're trying to answer and when. 48:32 And it's an exposure based illness. 48:35 Determining whether they're 48:36 being exposed right now is the most important question to answer. 48:40 And that's a different way of looking at these tests versus like, 48:44 if we're later down the road saying, can I get off my treatment now? 48:48 Are we fixed or are we done? 48:50 That's a different cluster of things. 48:52 So we try to I try to do a cluster because there's no single test 48:55 that can tell you you have mold and mycotoxins, illness all by itself. 48:59 So the idea of I'm going to run one test and it's going to tell us everything 49:02 is, is not a great expectation. 49:06 Just like with Lyme. 49:06 It's more complex than that. Right? 49:08 So it's a clinical diagnosis and you're using the testing 49:13 to support that clinical diagnosis. 49:16 Exactly. 49:17 And also to do a more precise treatment. 49:20 I'm so excited at Lyme bites that I get to talk about 49:25 these precision mycotoxins detoxification plans. 49:29 Every mycotoxins is different. 49:31 So I'm kind of doing people a disservice when I say mycotoxins. 49:34 You know, umbrella. 49:35 Everything we've talked about on this podcast so far is how are they the same? 49:40 They're the same in a lot of ways, 49:41 but they're not the same in how we get out, get them out of the body. 49:45 Some of them use 49:46 the kidneys, many of them use the kidneys preferentially versus the liver. 49:50 Many of them will be pushed from the bloodstream 49:53 into the gut to let the microbiome start chewing them up. 49:57 So it's not always binders. 49:59 And, you know, okra toxin doesn't respond to binders, actually, 50:03 because the kidneys are the primary detoxification. 50:07 So we want to also know from testing which mycotoxins are you dealing with. 50:11 And that could be from looking at your home. 50:14 If you know what molds those are. 50:15 We know the mycotoxins those molds make. 50:18 Or we can test your body and look. 50:20 But not everybody is a good excreta. 50:22 And a lot of these tests are excretion based. 50:24 So we wanted to put together a big picture. 50:27 It's better to spend your money on good detection, because it will shorten your 50:31 treatment plan and the amount of money you have to spend on treatment. 50:35 So I love a good detection. 50:39 So what am I looking at for a cluster? 50:40 I'm looking at a visual contrast sensitivity test. 50:44 That's VCs test.com is my favorite. 50:47 If that's bad, there is a chance 50:50 that you're exposed to mold right now. 50:53 I look at a urine MPA, which is Michael phenolic acid. 50:57 This isn't a mycotoxins. 50:58 And why is that important? 51:00 Remember we talked about in the beginning molds. 51:02 If it's actively living, 51:03 we'll be off gassing these chemicals but not necessarily making mycotoxins. 51:08 So if your MPA is high 51:09 there's a high chance here in actively living mold right now. 51:13 And that can be that is easy to excrete through the urine 51:16 for most people because it's water soluble, it's different. 51:20 I also look at a my Miko lab antibodies 51:23 to mycotoxins of the IGP that the IgG is high. 51:28 That means you've been exposed to an appreciable degree 51:31 to mycotoxins in previous two weeks, and then a mold allergy. 51:35 No one should be allergic to mold. 51:38 No one should be allergic to mold. 51:40 If you are, your cup for handling spores is flowing over. 51:46 Why is your cup full? 51:48 So I look at this for exposure right. 51:50 Exactly. 51:51 So I look at those four things and have three of the four are positive. 51:55 Then I feel very confident and you have a bad questionnaire score. 51:59 I feel very confident saying, okay, now we need to invest the money 52:02 on building investigation and removal, okay. 52:06 Because that's funds. Yeah, yeah. 52:09 But you know which question you're trying to answer 52:13 that's got to dictate it. 52:14 And then there are little nuances there 52:17 of you know with like a pans pans kid. 52:21 They don't make great antibodies anyway. 52:23 So why would we do an antibody test with them. 52:25 So you know, there's there are other nuances. 52:27 And that's what I go into in the trainings, in my updates course. 52:32 Okay. 52:33 So for everyone listening you're going to have to 52:36 if you want more information go to Doctor cresta.com.
Healing Protocols and Final Advice 52:42 Correct. Yep. 52:44 Dr. Krista. 52:46 Yeah okay. 52:46 And then on there you can do there's the ten hour basic course. 52:50 But then there's also a three hour course that has all of the updates. 52:55 You can come to the Lyme Bites Symposium in person 52:59 November 14th and 15th or join us virtually online. 53:04 She's going to do a very in-depth presentation specifically 53:08 on each micro talks. 53:09 And how to clear them out of the body, along with a whole bunch 53:14 of other very valuable information on mycotoxins illness. 53:19 But before we close, only for the sake of time because just like, 53:22 talk to you seriously all day long. 53:25 But I just just realized how long we've been going. 53:29 Walk us through. 53:30 Leave us with your key pillars for healing 53:34 for micro toxin illness. 53:36 Yes. Bio flavonoids before binders. 53:40 Since most of them go out the kidneys, they need bio flavonoids 53:43 to be released from a blood protein so the kidneys can flush them out. 53:47 So I also have anoints before binders for binding. 53:51 I really like to use aloe. 53:53 It's it's like charcoal and clay, 53:56 but it gives back aloe you can take with food. 53:59 You actually should take it with food. 54:00 And it helps you bring in more nutrients. 54:03 But it's also a binder. 54:04 And the reason I love it is it's a potent antihistamine. 54:08 It's a potent muscle stabilizer. 54:10 So a lot of people are dealing 54:11 with these weird food sensitivities and they're like, what in the world? 54:15 You know, I can't eat anything. 54:17 And aloe also will increase your immunity. 54:20 It's an immune modulator. 54:21 So it's just a really simple, elegant binder. 54:25 To the bio. 54:25 So I have a nice little aloe. 54:28 Then you can do some detox. 54:29 And then I use antifungals both in the body and in the nose. 54:34 I preferentially choose plants if I can. 54:36 And and that has to be around for a long time. 54:40 That might be six months that you're doing something antifungal. 54:44 But boy, when we add the antifungals people get that. 54:46 That's when they really turn the corner. 54:48 They're like, oh, I feel like something just lifted, right. 54:51 And there's a very important order. 54:54 This isn't all at once. 54:56 It's strategically right. 54:57 Get yourself out of your moldy environment, 55:00 then get on the bio flavonoids and what's give me your top two favorite 55:04 bio flavonoids. 55:05 Yeah, I love, 55:06 of course, because I'm making it one called Color Guard from a lighthouse. 55:10 It has every band of the rainbow of of bias and annoyed 55:15 that is specific to pulling out specific mycotoxins. 55:18 So it's it's all made for mycotoxins. 55:21 Detox through the kidneys. 55:23 Also quercetin, a lot of people just don't 55:25 think about it's a it's not just for allergies, guys. 55:29 You know, it's but it is for allergy. 55:31 So it helps with that mold allergy. 55:33 There's tons of information about how it's so protective. 55:36 It's protecting the liver that kind of thing. 55:38 And green tea you can add green tea very easily to your diet. 55:42 Yeah. 55:42 So those are just some really easy detox things okay. 55:45 So number two, number three we have binders. 55:48 It sounds like aloe is one of your favorite. 55:50 So I'll leave it at that. 55:51 And then I know you love food binders too. 55:53 So ground chia seeds ground flax meal things like that. 55:58 And then number four antifungals. 56:00 So let us know your top two favorite systemic antifungals. 56:04 And then if you have a favorite nasal spray. 56:08 And let's stick with the natural ones for this. Yeah yeah. 56:11 Episode I mean it's a it's oregano oil. 56:14 It's so easy. 56:16 And if you're a real sensitive person, 56:17 you can get it in a liquid and just do drop doses of it, you know. 56:21 So that's why we love tinctures, you know. Yes. 56:24 It can be so easy. 56:26 And clove is also very anti very good antifungal. 56:30 It's soothing to the gut. 56:32 And so I think you know if you're especially if you're a sensitive person 56:36 start with those and start low and slow and just creep up for the nose. 56:40 I love one called nature and Nectars nasal guardian. 56:44 It's propolis. 56:45 Oh and propolis is a fabulous antifungal. 56:48 It's anti histamine. 56:49 It's anti Covid coronavirus. 56:53 Yeah. 56:54 So it's got a lot. 56:56 It's kind of like this big 56:58 broad spectrum activity and it's just lovely. 57:01 Wonderful. 57:02 Thank you for sharing those steps. Yeah. 57:05 All right so before we end any parting words of advice for our listeners? 57:10 If you are going to test yourself in the urine, please get my test prep handout. 57:15 It's free on my website. 57:17 It's down in the handouts portion in the footer. 57:19 What you eat can come out in your urine. 57:21 So we want to make sure that we are minimizing the 57:24 the challenge or the limitation of that test. 57:27 So let's make sure that whatever's coming out in your pee 57:29 is actually from your body. 57:31 So yeah, that would be it. 57:33 I want to make sure people are getting, you know, if you're spending 57:36 your money on this test, make. 57:37 Sure that you want accurate results. 57:39 Yes, yes. 57:41 All right. 57:41 So if you want to hear more from Doctor Krista on how to heal from mycotoxins 57:46 illness, join us at the Line Bites Symposium, November 14th and 15th 57:50 at the Pompano Beach Marriott, or join us online virtually. 57:55 Thanks for listening to Lyme Bites. 57:56 We hope this brought you one step closer to true healing. 58:00 If it helped you, share it 58:01 with someone who needs to hear this too, because together we heal stronger. 58:06 Thank you for tuning in to Doctor Talks. 58:07 We hope today's episode has enlightened 58:09 and inspired you on your path to optimal health. 58:13 Each day is a new opportunity to make choices that empower your well-being. 58:17 For more insights and strategies, subscribe to our podcast 58:21 and visit our website w ww di doctor Talksport.com. 58:26 Stay connected, stay healthy and join us next time on Doctor Talks. 58:31 Real talks from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most.
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