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  • Gain insights into Functional Diagnostic Nutrition (FDN) and its role in metabolic health and wellness
  • Understand a unique perspective on resolving chronic gut conditions by addressing their root causes
  • Learn that symptoms aren’t the problem, but the result of the problem, and discover how to find and address the root cause
  • This video is part of the Reversing Chronic Gut Conditions Summit
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Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Welcome, everybody, to another interview on “Reversing Chronic Gut Conditions.” Today, I am so excited to share with you the genius of my dear friend Reed Davis. Reed, I really wanted you at this event because not only are you a Double Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner and Certified Nutritional Therapist, but you are a true expert in every sense of the word on functional lab testing and really even holistic lifestyle medicine and what is really going on under the hood with our chronic gut conditions today and why they have exploded. I know you have trained over 4,000 practitioners in 50 different countries with your own certification. The FDN course is quite robust, and I recommend it all the time to people. I just wanted to share some of your genius with our wonderful audience today. Welcome.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

Thank you so much. I am happy to share anything and everything my dad told me to keep your courage face up on the table. I have no secrets. I worked very hard to try to help people for a long time. If it helps, I am here for you anytime.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Wonderful. Well, I know that we can do this, so I am going to task us with a big project today. I think that we have three types of folks listening in, and I have certainly been each one of these people. I am giving a huge shout-out. This is our love letter to you guys and everybody listening in today. I want to talk from the perspective of what people need to know if they are just getting started on taking control over their health journey and they have chronic gut issues and are on the hunt for answers, maybe for the first time. Where should they start? Then I also want to talk to my summit junkies, my beloved super-advanced gluten-free yogis, who still feel crap. Even though they are doing everything right, they know more than their doctors. What can we share with them today? Hey, guys, a big shout-out to you. We love you. Of course, to our wonderful practitioners listening in on the hunt for more tools to help with this health crisis, we are in today. Maybe we should start there. Reed, in your own words, how would you describe this proliferation of gut issues today, this crisis that we are in, where our chronic conditions are ever more prevalent than before? Why do you think that is happening? How would you describe it?

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

Sure. Well, in my observations, it is the pandemic. It is really bad. Maybe that was the pandemic before the pandemic; we were already in a pandemic, folks. Whatever demographic you are in, whether you are working on yourself or working on others, there is a lot of illness, and a lot of it does relate to the gut. I am not one of those people, by the way, who says everything begins with health. Health all begins in the gut. It certainly can start elsewhere, but it circles around to the gut, sometimes really fast. So, I have run thousands and thousands of labs on people for gut and other issues. I can show you the cycle of how stress changes cortisol and THC levels. Your body gets carried away. It’s called catabolic. Your body is breaking down a lot of stress, and it does not matter if it is mental. Emotional stress could be the physical aches and pains I have from sports injuries and a few motorcycle accidents. Then it could also be the chemical and biochemical stresses of the environment, where I started in this field as a scholar of environmental law and conservation. That is what got me looking at humans, starting to save the planet, and thinking a lot about us. A quarter of a century ago, I started running labs on thousands of people after ten years of working hard in a clinic. I am a good organizer. I kind of systematized things. I have done all the lab work on all these sick people, a lot of them with different complaints. But again, it does circle around the gut an awful lot.

I could show you the sequence of lab testing. It is really remarkable. It is a lot of things. The environment, which is where I started, is huge. Other stressors that are huge today: Please turn your TVs off. Do not watch TV, because it is just a form of stress. You might even be addicted to it because you think you want to be in the know and up-to-date on all the stuff. It is just another form of stress. It is getting into your body and causing disruptions in your hormones. When your hormones are out of balance, as I was just saying, it will affect your immune system, and it will slow down that CPT R3a you need in your gut to protect you from all the bad stuff that you might ingest. when your immune system, and by the way, that is 80% of your immune system, is in the gut. When that signatory heterozygos is down, then the flora gets out of balance. We can measure all of these things. By the way, the cortisol and DHEA are stressed, and you are catabolic; it affected your signatory heterozygos; that is low. Now, you have dysbiosis—too much bad flora versus good flora. It is supposed to be this way. It ends up this way in the balance. Then what happens? Bigger bugs, parasites, bacteria, and fungus. Oh, then what happens? Oh, biofilms. Let us not forget those. You said that a lot of your audience is very educated and knows more than what I am saying. Then what happens? Well, then you get a little leaky gut. The zynoline plays tricks on the gut lining, and now you have things flowing through into your bloodstream, especially into the liver, which can be congested. Oh, by the way, digestion is not working very well either. You can have people show up for a complete wreck. Well, I do not want to call you a complete wreck. 

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

But that is how I felt for years I would have identified with that statement.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

Yes, and yet and yet, there is a way to sort it out. There’s logic to this. There’s a step-by-step approach that anyone can use and anyone can run these labs. You do not need to be a physician and that kind of thing.  By the way, another thing I love, is what you said, Sinclair Control. You said to get back in control.  That was the first thing I noticed when I got into this field. I went from environmental law straight into clinical practice, working at a wellness center in Southern California. Man, the first thing I noticed was that everybody coming in searching for an alternative was desperate. They’d been to six, eight, ten different practitioners. What better yet, and I thought of two things. What a rip-off. That is not right. The other thing is, well, why are you putting your health in someone else’s hands anyway? Who needs to be in control and it needs to be that person. The lab work, the data, all of it belongs to you. That is your lab. Where does your data? That is not something to be locked up in the doctor’s office only that person can interpret that stuff to share. So that is the approach that I have taken and, I do appreciate that people suffer from gut gut dysfunction, leaky gut bacteria, viruses, parasites and fungus, and biofilms.  They have diarrhea, constipation, heartburn, gas, and just bloating, and on and on.  then the digestion can cause nutritional deficiencies, which can throw a lot of neurotransmitters out of balance. Your head’s wacky, too, so now you are so in balance, that you just do not know where to start. No, I hope that is No one in particular in this audience. But if you do it if it smells that is you, maybe there is a way. I promise you, there is a way.  I would listen to all the speakers at this the summit, and then, pick a place to start make your first steps in the right direction, and make it more natural, drug-free. 

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Thank you so much for saying that. Wow. That is such a great way to kick off our talk with your customary Deb, which is one of the many reasons why I love you.  I one of the things that you said, I want to pick your brain about labs and go through your approach with that in a minute. But I also want to underscore something you said that I think is so important. You were talking about how TV is there to stress us. We are one of three countries where pharmaceutical companies are allowed to advertise directly to consumers. Where are they doing that? They’re doing that on news programs and popular programming. They’re trying to stress you out and hook you long enough with that programming so that you stay and you become customers. Not necessarily success stories, but customers of the big pharma system that is how our news cycle is run.  I am so glad that you are highlighting that. Now I would love to pick your brain about you referenced a couple of times about how we need to own our own lab and work on our own assessment of what is happening under the hood. Where do you start when someone has a chronic gut condition? What labs do you to run?

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

There is the system that I use is called functional diagnostic nutrition or commonly referred to as FTN, and it’s something I developed over a long period of time as a clinician, and it’s quite comprehensive. What I learned, Sinclair is not to just do one test on something that seems like this. The problem may in fact even call it the sounds method.  people are using that sounds and sounds thyroid. Let us run a third test. It sounds like Siebel is running the Siebel Test or it sounds like IBS or you name it and there are these sounds and then they might even find some symptoms I think, they do not find anything because they will ignore everything else that is really wrong with the person. This is what happens in conventional medicine is they are the conventional practitioners are very good diagnostic agents.  especially within their specialty.  if it sounds their wheelhouse, they will get people referred they are by other practitioners and then, , they will say, “Yep, it sounds this thing is.” Let us see, thyroid through an endocrinologist’s office.  He goes, Yep, sounds they are in their thirties. Oh my goodness. I found your problem is low thyroid.  So what is the next thing? Description paired. 

Now I call that reading the paper because you have a whole different approach. It might sound thyroid to you and something that is as soon as  I say, God forbid you find that thing and pat yourself on the back. I found your problem. I always say Don’t break your wrist as your pet in yourself on the back. Because the minute you lay down that diagnosis, you are going to you are leaving all this other stuff. That person probably or sure they, for sure needs to work on the I get to tell you this and just kind of go on, if you will, the pattern I recognize we’ll get back to the I promise, the pattern I recognize, and where I start with everybody is this comprehensive approach does not single out one thing. But look at hormones, the immune system, digestion, detoxification, energy production, and the nervous system. You get through oxidative stress and some other things, but that spells hidden in hormone immune digestion. Detoxification energy protects the nervous system. It’s so easy and it sounds, Oh my God, that is a lot. But no, it’s really quite simple. There is just a small handful of labs that you can run. 

Give me a little saliva stool, some blood, and some urine, and we’ll sort it all up for you. You do not have to be an expert in HIIT, and you just have to know enough about yourself from that perspective. You said where I  to start, I start with Hidden and I will even tell you why, because when I first started in this business, and feel that I loved helping people and I could not believe I had access to all these labs, it’s Christmas, oh, I can do labs now and so can you. If you are a health coach or even an individual can get these things done.  so I ran thousands and thousands. I could not but at first, it was mostly hormones as working with women, they seem to care more about their health and pay attention to their allergies. That is most of the clientele. At least 70% of the clients that came into our wellness center and I started in 1999, and I think women still care more about their health. But anyway, so I was, really I became kind of an expert on hormone testing bones and hormones and a website called Bones and Hormones.  I had my bone density test machine and hormones were attached.  so I spent two or three years just in that area. I got a lot of success with women getting their bones better. They felt better, and doing some lifestyle. They were various, but they still had their immune system getting sick, or the digestion problems. Oh, my hormones are better, and my libidos are back.

But I still have diarrhea, constipation, heartburn, bloating, gas, alternating constipation with the, just in. I am, okay, so it’s not just hormones anyway.  After years, and thousands of labs, I came up with that pattern.  what I noticed from the clients and the patients at the office is that if I only ran one or two labs and then later says, Well, yes, I know, we did not know we need to run this one and then we were going to run this one kind of, they said, “Screw that, just tell me what I need to do. Why? Why do you what are you stringing me out here? Just run all the labs at once.” They told me that.  I made a rule in 2008 that I would only help people if they would do a comprehensive intake because that is what you need to do anyway. You’re again just repeating that as soon as physicians who all seem to specialize these days, even functional medicine, once they pick their favorite or what it sounds something sounds like a parasite? A parasite. Well, God forbid you find a parasite because you are going to go, I found your problem. It’s that and they will kill it. Here, take this for three months or two months or two weeks, whatever, whatever they found, whatever their favorite treatment is, and think that they have actually done something for that person when all they did is treat the result. Parasites are the result of a weakened immune system or digestive, all the things it’s the host that matters. What I am trying to say. Absolutely.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

The host of manners. I totally agree. Don’t even get me started on the hunting kill approach.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

You already started getting it. You have to take it. Remember. Okay.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Well, it just, happens too early. So it’s very myopic in people’s approach. Parasites are there for a reason. They even help us. They have so many benefits they can help actually reduce serious health conditions and even protect us from a toxic load that would overwhelm our vital organs. But they always come at a cost, right? If you are going to identify them and offload them, you need to understand why they were there in the first place where they will come back or something else. Well, to take it.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

Oh, yes.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Right. If you have got, the vilifying Candida, which might be there to help mop up your mercury from your amalgam fillings,  there is always a reason the body does not make accidents, right? There are no accidents. That is to understand the system which is why I love your approach so much.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

Well, thank you.  I have story after story after story of people who came into the office. This back in the day, I was kind of had not quite put the whole panel together yet and I would run the bug tests, and stool testing. I love doing that. Oh, my goodness. You might catch something. You might find something.  One day this really good sort of early functional medicine doctor friend of mine says, Why did you run this test? I said, Well, three kids something. He goes, Oh, you were on a fishing trip. Were you just seeing what you, just ran the tests, see what you find? You go, Oh, that must be your problem, and treat that.  The person might get this much better, but they really still have all their terms. Fatigue, anxiety, overweight, cannot sleep, low libido, hair falling out, cold or numb extremities, and constipation. Yes, they got a little bit better. That is also what helped me put this truly holistic, very comprehensive program together.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Okay, so let us say someone comes into your system, right? Or one of the practitioners that you have trained with a serious chronic condition, maybe they are working with the diagnosis, maybe they are not, maybe they defy diagnosis and they are waiting to get bad enough until they finally get a word assigned to them. Right. Which is a lot of people I know that was me, oh, just, you do not really apply it and come back in a year or two and you will probably be worse than we’ll finally give you some words. When once you run lab work on somebody who has the same colitis, right? Where would you go from there?

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

Well, there is a microscope topic organisms that will play havoc and make life hell for people with to diagnosis of colitis. As the more natural, try to work with the in of the body type person. I totally go with medical oversight and something that physicians are bad people. When we talk about the early history, when all these people were not getting results anywhere else, they often just had their letters up against the wrong wall. They were looking at a system that wasn’t really designed to help them with all of their lifestyle and all of their needs and all the habits and all of the things that we use now to resolve those problems. Here’s the deal. I do not do anything differently. It does not matter what they are diagnosed. This was no there is might be some attention paid for relief. , you do not want that person in pain. They could actually continue with their medical care for relief. If that is helping you to have less pain and other symptoms that might come along with it. Well, good. But what are we going to do holistically for the person so that maybe that all the things involved in that condition change and then that condition can change?  When you go upstream, as far as we were known to do, we were kind of the upstream hunters and I will explain it this way. When I first started, I used to follow the phrase of the day at the turn of the century, which was to get to the root cause. Now that is even said today, right? It’s in everybody’s hands. They put it in their signature. We get to the root cause.  I started looking for the root cause. I ran again thousands and thousands of lives with thousands of people?  I realized.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Hmm.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

There’s never one root, cause there are always multiple, let us say at least causal factors. If there are multiple causal factors, there is something else and clear that people do not consider. They’re crashing into each other. They’re having an effect on each other, and me, of that, those effects are not singly measurable. I gave up the phrase root cause because there is not one and inserted metabolic chaos that is the result of multiple causal factors, entering a body, if you want to visualize it, that way, cascading around all the different cells, tissues, and systems, and resulting in disease processes and is so individualized. This is the other thing you have to consider is that everybody’s frickin different. The same causal factors will affect you in one way you end up with colitis, irritable bowel, and other things. The other person’s with asthma. Another person ends up with migraine headaches. We have all of these causal factors the mental, emotional, environmental, the physical, and they cascade throughout the body creating this chaos and manifesting somewhere downstream and as a name, a diagnosis. If I am just going to be the next guy in line to deal with, oh,that is your diagnosis, let us deal with that. Then I am going to do my real job, which is to uncover as many healing opportunities as possible. That is the phrase as many healing opportunities as possible. 

This entire constellation of healing opportunities appears as we measure it, we run the saliva, urine, blood tests, or we look at hormones immune to disease, detoxification, and so on. Then we start working on all of that. What miraculously happens is that whatever the diagnosis was seems to start fading away, and sometimes it is permanently resolved not by going after that one thing again, except for relief. It’s okay if you are having hot flashes and night sweats. I want to know why I would not know. All the things included that are helping to produce that situation. But it’s okay if you want to take some estrogen, get rid of them. So there is nothing wrong with relief cure but it’s how willing are you to go upstream to really discover these healing opportunities and work on those. That is the system that started this is 20 years ago, started outperforming every other system people came in that they were currently using. 

Well, it was medical and by the way, have been told by medical, there is nothing wrong with you. Your blood work looks normal. You’ve heard that one before, right? You have never heard that before, or it’s normal for your age or all these sorts of things. So the symptoms are never the problem. They’re the result of the problem. Even in certain lab tests, especially when you choose them based on what it sounds or the problem, the lab results are not the problem. We do not want to manipulate what is on the paper. We want to get the person to do things that change their outcomes, whether their symptoms or numbers on paper.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

There is something that you said in all of that that just really stood out to me as something that I want to unpack further. You referred to stress a couple of times and how that is the picture and how this is showing up in the lab work and really affecting and pushing chronic conditions right? Yes. Describe let us dig into that in detail. How do you see chronic stress affecting, people in the digestive tract itself? How does that change labs? All of that?

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

It’s straightforward. You just, you do the saliva test for all the hormones, including cortisone, DHEA and our saliva test even includes secretory HCA, which is the main immunoglobulin in the gut. The good is 80% of your immune system. Right. We’ll look at melatonin, we’ll look at insulin and some other metabolic markers and things from that one saliva test. But we do not stop. Remember, we know we were identifying a constellation of healing opportunities. All your estrogen and progesterone are out of balance, your testosterone is low, your cortisol DDT ratios are off your catabolic will. No wonder your secretory age is low because it’s chronically low because it’s been assaulted for so long. It’s not responding as well. You have a weak mucosal lining, just not making the 80 the set of 80 it used to. Now you have got that dysbiosis, the imbalance. All of that is easily measurable and measured. That is what our lives pick up because we have a system for it. 

I am not sure I am getting exactly what you want, but there are also no there are other influences on the gut exposure to pathogens since who you are kissing. Hopefully, it’s not your dog right after he cleaned himself. That is the things are getting exposure all the time from that from other things in the environment, including not just pathogens, bugs, and things, but chemicals.  so we were exposed. It’s unbelievable that tens of thousands of chemicals. But I remember I started out in environmental law at least the second half of my life so far. Man, it’s rough there is just all this stuff being dumped into the environment. In terms of water and air and food and clothing and cleaning products and personal care products and on and on and everything around you basically. So very little of it was ever tested for safety. A place, where I to direct people here me clearly is the Environmental Working Group which is EWG.org. Men go there and you will be fascinated with the stuff in everyday use that is just toxic and it affects the gut. The gut is greasy. There’s only one layer between you and the outside world when it comes to the gut. The epithelial cells of the lining of the small intestine of in particular are very sensitive.  So we get all these assaults from these things in our everything going on, the pipes, even things that go into your skin, things you are breathing. 

It’s quite quick. Remarkable, the assault on the gut. Your question was about the gut and where do you start or where do you look. It’s multifaceted. So that is why you need a system. So our system of investigating the hidden stressors and dysfunctions that are upstream, that are crashing into each other, is very important to start sorting those out for yourself. That is data again that you own. This does not belong to your physician or an officer of the lab or that you own that data? It’s yours and it’s personal and it’s just in. It’s your it’s another thing about our lab work is we only interpret it relative to a person. Does it explain why you feel so crappy? Yes, it does. This is why people love our work, because they go, oh, my God, I cannot believe, no one ever explained it to me this before. You actually figured out why I feel the way I feel and no one else could we hear that? So, but the idea is that that is your data. There is also just looking around you, we have forms and little checklists and things that. That Environmental Working Group is really a good place to go. Then people will say if they go, Wow, if you go join me, what do I do about it? What can I do? Remember, because this is about taking responsibility. We’re not here now. I do not know. Agency, agency over your health. I am not sure I  that word, but its control is what it is. Going back to India. Rode my motorcycle 25 years ago going, What’s wrong with these people? Why are they putting their health in someone else’s hands seriously? So anyway, now we have a system for it. The solution comes down to diet, rest, exercise, and stress reduction. I think you mentioned stress and there is and supplementation decreased. On one hand, we look for each and we identify all the things that can be identified that are wrong with you really, and how they are affecting each other. We connect the dots, so to speak, and then you can customize for yourself based on your data and you and your life. The dinner is a custom dress. Food is one. First thing you look at person’s epigenetic influence. Rest is so critical and we could go in any one of these to do a whole show on any one of these. Any time you want to diet and rest and exercise, we need to emphasize that today, no. Yes. Diet restrictions and the two S’s in dress are stress reduction and supplementation. I do not have my own line of supplements, but I know an awful lot about them. I have studied them for 25 years. Then of course, the stress, which is the question you asked, it’s so ubiquitous and it comes in so many sizes and shapes and forms that it takes a system to sort it out in my view.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Hmm. Agreed. I think that is beautifully said and there are so many nuggets in there for newbies who are just getting started on their health.  I want to end by really going.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

To end now.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I never want to. Of course not. Don’t be ridiculous. We’re hanging out on Sunday. What I want to make sure we really highlight are steps that are beloved, super advanced listeners can take when they are running all those labs.  I have been talking to my practitioners and I listen to the podcasts and I, what is this? What is the next step that I can take if I feel I have seen all the markers? What am I missing? I wonder if you could speak to those folks directly now and just give them a little bit of love. What are some things that you see commonly overlooked, even by the most advanced listeners who really do take control over their own health and they are still a little bit stuck, especially in regards to chronic conditions.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

This is not, it is noit easy, because it is that comprehensiveness, it’s that your whole person, there is all your thoughts and emotions and energies, and there is also everything you are putting into your body, your diet. , , there is this holistic lifestyle program that I just mentioned. I guess the hardest thing is this idea of metabolic chaos. , it requires some steps to sort it. Oh, no, you could take the acronym.  given you Hadean in hormone immune digestion, detoxification, energy production and nervous system balance that autonomic sympathetic was a person that that is sounds  a lot  you have got this banquet  you got a whole orchestra and you have got to play it all. Where would you start? You start on your weakest area. What you think is you. It’s okay. Use your intuition, use your knowledge of yourself. It is this idea of self-awareness that comes to my mind your weakest area is that your hormones are out of balance, and your immune system is underactive or overactive. You’re digestion, it’s not working, right? You can work on detoxification is huge energy production and nervous system balance. It really requires all of it. I guess I would start in the weakest area and then I would apply the healing principles that we were not treating one thing we were going to actually treat every cell tissue, organ, and system in the body at once, the entire organism through that holistic lifestyle program. Where’s your weakest area, your diet? You just cannot get enough of the right foods, or you are eating too much of the wrong foods. It is it rest or you are not sleeping well. You’re not really getting to the deep non-REM sleep, is it exercise? Maybe you are not doing high enough intensity or frequency, or maybe you just need to put on some muscle. There are lots of things. The biggest areas for people usually are diet and then that stress reduction. Mm hmm. But what everyone wants to do is the supplements. We have a formula, we have an answer for d r e assess who will what should I take? They just want to focus on the supplements in return. We’ll take your Spezza to dinner.

Take a walk around the block. It’s not what you take in. Just what is in a bottle and only show you. This is just what is on my desk.  These are just my liquids, my look, I take plenty of them, but if you are not eating right and going to bed and really getting in a deep sleep, hopefully early in the night, if you are not exercising behind this screen, here’s both my sauna and my elliptical machine. Diet research says supplements. They are all over the place. It’s the stress.  How do we handle it and how do we get our minds and emotions separated from our essential selves? , that matters to me. That is where energy and sort of, source come into play. , I know that I am not my thoughts and my emotions and so when I have them, which is all the time, I really that is not you who read this. Not you. You’re not you are not those thoughts and emotions because, I mean, I love the joy ones, the joyful, happy words. But if it’s anything less, if anything else, thoughts lead to emotions. , they are the sort of coloring on the thoughts. They’re the juicy thoughts. , that is what said Guru calls them.  Man, they can really bring you down. They can make you feel hopeless and sad and blue and angry and irritated and things.  You got to first, start with that maybe. I mean, I just sort of took myself through there. That is how I operate a lot. But yes, you got to separate yourself, get more self-aware, and practice meditation, and then you can take the next step that your body will tell you, No, you are not your body but it will tell you, it will tell you that it needs help in a certain area again. We have a sort of step-by-step for all that.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I love so many things that you just said there. I want to highlight a couple of them in naturopathy. We talk about stewardship of the body, right?

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

Yes, that is a good one.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

You are not your body and yet you are responsible for this animal. That is your expression here, , and it’s so innocent. It’s never going to stop fighting for you until the last breath. , if you think about what a magnificent act of love that is, and how innocent this thing is, and has symptoms.  then we could start to unpack.   you were talking about, I guess my word for that would be to move into the observer mode with the thoughts and emotions where we, one of the things we first teach our chronically ill students who come into our courses is, let us unhook from the drama of it.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

Yes. Oh, man, good.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

In a state of stress. , okay, there you went. You got overwhelmed. You got you are exhausted. You have a mitochondrial dysfunction issue.  Yes. You had some behavioral outbursts. Okay, that happened. Let us be kind and let us move on, because the more, , negative meaning you assign to these signs of symptoms or even to your lab work,  your lab work can set you free. Right? Or you can look at it death sentence and that would be not the way we want you to do it. Right.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

Yes. I am glad you pointed that out. I talk about that a lot where you can pick things out because they are significant. They are truths. They’re realities. You recognize them.  I think most people do recognize. So if you are, if you, if it smells right, go in that direction, start working on it yourself by realizing what yourself is. You’re not that anger. You’re not that other emotion, unwanted, much that. Everybody is a being on par with the universal intelligence and energy.  but getting there is work that requires some vigilance.  people if you think you are just too busy for it, it does not take that much time to get started. It only takes a couple of minutes in the morning.  I would recommend that tomorrow morning before you put your feet on the floor to see. Thank you. That you are one of the people who woke up because a million people did not. That is how many people die every night, I am told. It’s something that is some huge ass number, on the planet. You’re one of the lucky ones that woke up and you have an opportunity to make the day beautiful. Before your feet hit the floor, everyone gives up the same way every morning. You push yourself up when you are, and you are sitting there and you are swinging your feet over and we boom. We automatically put our feet on the floor. Stop for a second before you put them in and just realize the opportunity you have begins in that moment.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

That is so beautiful. I totally agree. , I think we had such a gorgeous day.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

There’s lots more where that came from. Sinclair.

 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I know, I know.  Someone’s going to come. But maybe that is the note that we end on for there are practitioners listening in and looking for new tools for themselves, and I really love how you emphasize casting a wide net. If you are a practitioner looking for new tools, check out Reed’s Hidden System and all of the support that he provides practitioners. Let us remember that the meaning that we assign, to things, this could be your door to vitality. It’s there is nothing about these markers that have to stay out of balance, right?  It’s on how we frame it. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and your insights and as always, your humor. Thanks for being such an advocate for people’s natural healing and taking responsibility for our own health. I really appreciate it.

 

Reed Davis, HHP, CNT

Thank you for what you are doing. I love that you are doing summits and getting the word out there and keep it up. Great job.

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