Heal Mold Damage With Magnetic Field Therapy & PEMFs

Ann Shippy, MD

Welcome to another episode of the Mold, Mycotoxin, and Chronic Illness Summit. I am your host, Dr. Ann Shippy, and today I get to share with you, Dr. William Pawluk. He is a physician and MD. He is in the Baltimore area. He has been through the academic ranks at Johns Hopkins University and the University of Maryland. He has been studying the topic for 30 years. I think you are really going to find it helpful because he is an expert on PEMF, which is so important for pain. Getting to the root cause and actually helping the body repair itself—with that, Dr. Pawluk, I would love for you to tell me more about this topic and how you got to this wealth of knowledge that you have.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Thank you very much, Ann. I appreciate you having me at your summit to talk about PEMF, mold, and so on. My background as a family physician, a former family physician, is that I was a medical director for a group of family doctors, the biggest group of family physicians on the whole East Coast—14 of us. I recruited and developed that group.

Ann Shippy, MD

That is a big group.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

From scratch. That is a big group, especially for family physicians outside of academic or university settings. We shared patients. We rounded up patients in the hospital all the time in a very short space of time. We had at least two admissions for GI bleeding, one of whom almost died from the GI bleeding, and the common cause was ibuprofen. That was back in the eighties.

Ann Shippy, MD

Would rolling rocks be dangerous? That is even today.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

It still is, in fact, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs cost $30,000 and cause 30,000 deaths a year in this country. More people die of that than of HIV.

Ann Shippy, MD

It is so preventable. There are just so many other options. We are going to get there.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

That is exactly what we were going to get. I said, Okay, I got to learn something different. I decided to study acupuncture. That was in 1990. I said I had to find some other modality that conventional medicine does not use that is going to be safer and more effective, and so on. I started acupuncture, but I could not do acupuncture in 1990. People did not want acupuncture. They did not know anything about it. Now you are putting needles in people’s bodies, and they say, I do not want needles. Then I discovered that in the Orient, we were using magnets on acupuncture points. They started using magnets. I found that magnets stimulate acupuncture points very adequately. I actually did an EMG study looking at the use of magnets for acupuncture, meridians, and points, and it was discovered that acupuncture, meridians, and points are actually electrical.

It is a DC system in Chinese medicine; they call it Chi. When they came up with the word, they did not know what electrical was at that time. We have now clarified that magnetic fields interact with current. We know that that is a basic principle of physics. That is why it is called electromagnetic, where you have a charge or electrical fields, you have magnetic fields and magnetic fields interact with ions flowing in a wire to produce current to increase the current production. Therefore, you can turn on a light. You put a magnet on a circuit and stimulate that circuit with a magnetic field. It has no charge, and no electricity going through it is stimulated by the magnetic field, and a light bulb lights it up.

Ann Shippy, MD

That is so fun to play with. You could do that all day long.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

You could. Yes. There is a lot of fun.

Ann Shippy, MD

It is so fascinating to see how much current is going through our bodies with those opportunities to play.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

It is not even that, just the nerves. We just think about it as nerves doing this. But connective tissue conducts current. When you actually contract your hand or your arm, a current is flowing through that hand, through that arm, and the connective tissue at a rate of 30 meters per second, much faster than a nerve will conduct. We were full of charge—well, full of electricity.

Ann Shippy, MD

I love the research on heart fields too. To say that our hearts make quite a magnetic field.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

A huge field. There are machines to measure the magnetic field of the heart. Some machines measure the magnetic field of the brain because they produce the biggest magnetic field. Even though they are very tiny, they are still the biggest magnetic fields in the body. We can now quantify that.

Ann Shippy, MD

It makes you think about the human body differently and realize what we really are.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Absolutely. In fact, along the way, I really began to realize that we were not just tissue. As you bring up the skin, you touch and feel the tissue. But what makes up the tissue molecules? The molecules are chemistry. What controls chemistry? Physics.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Sodium and chloride cannot dock to make salt without physics allowing it to happen. Magnetic field therapy basically works on a physics basis, primarily affecting the chemistry, which then affects the tissue.

Ann Shippy, MD

It makes so much sense that we can use this technology to help our fields improve.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Our fields improve, and our bodies improve as a result. Exactly. We were talking before we started about a three-year-old girl. We talk about how natural therapy decreases inflammation, which is an important basis for its effects on mold and mycotoxins. But in that particular case, a three-year-old child cut off the end of a thumb and a doorjamb; it severed it. The surgeons would normally just clean it up and put a graft on it to cover the wound. I said I knew that there were cases or histories of people regrowing and regenerating. We know salamanders do that. Humans retained a little bit of that capability of salamanders up to about age 11 or 12, especially beyond the first joint. I said, Okay, well, thinking about that principle, why do we not just graft and put the cut-off piece back onto the thumb as a bandage? Just to preserve that wound, and then stimulated with a magnetic field. an hour to an hour and a half a day, it literally is gone. It had to regenerate completely. She lost her nail. Clearly, she would expect to lose a nail. It was 12 weeks. She was regrowing her nails.

Ann Shippy, MD

What a lucky little girl to have a dad who was so willing!

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

She was on target and on time, and I was willing to help her do that. But unfortunately, she could have done more, received more stimulation, and healed even faster. But an hour and a half a day for a 3-year-old child is not bad.

Ann Shippy, MD

That is a lot of time. But yes, so that really got you moving on this technology and wanting to delve into it and understand it even more.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, that was a mind-blowing effect. How often have you seen that regenerative extremity?

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes.  If you can just regenerate that body part, what can you do when it is gone?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Inside the body, especially when you talk about the liver, for example, which has tremendous regenerative capacity, if you stimulate that regenerative capacity, then what can you do? But I have certainly seen a lot of other regenerative cases with magnetic field therapy. Whatever the damage is, it is in the body. Whatever causes that damage, magnetic field therapy can help. In some cases, it can reverse what it did with that little girl. If you have removed the cause, if it is an injury, you have removed the cause. The injury is done and gone. If it was mycotoxins, you have that continuous exposure, or you have the spore reactions in the body that continue over time. You cannot get rid of the spores entirely. Basically, you have to continue to do magnetic therapy to keep up with the damage. In some cases, the damage is gone. You cannot regenerate completely.

Ann Shippy, MD

Do you want to explain to the audience a little bit about the effects of mold and mycotoxins, the way you see them in the body, and the way that you have come to understand them for your patients?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Sure. It is physiopathologic. I think, in terms of physiology, how is the body functioning? What is the damage that is impairing the functioning of the body? Mold by itself is not as much of a problem, but mold tends to cause more respiratory issues or more contact issues with the skin. But it is the mold that produces so many mycotoxins, and not all mold produces so many mycotoxins. But it also depends on the sensitivity of the person. Mycotoxins can affect virtually all the organs of the body, but especially the liver and kidneys, the immune system, and the respiratory system. The brain can be very much affected by mold. The problem is

Ann Shippy, MD

Big one, so common.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

It is a huge one. It causes most of the chronic problems that people have with it. But the mycotoxins also create autoimmune reactions. They create immune reactions because when they cause tissue damage, the body says, This is not me anymore, and the body begins to attack that part of the body, whether it is the thyroid, the skin, the brain, the kidneys, you name it. Anything can become autoimmune in the body. From my perspective, an autoimmune disease means the whole body. Autoimmune systems are involved because the whole immune system is the whole body.

Ann Shippy, MD

Every cell in the body has ways of going on.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

The biggest reaction with mold is, basically, inflammation. When you have inflammation, you have swelling. When you have swelling, you have a restrained or constricted blood supply. Now we know that evidence shows that wherever you have inflammation in the body, you can have local damage to the blood supply. It is not putting a ligature on an arm or wrapping a strap around an extremity or an arm and constricting the blood supply that way. We have all done that by sitting on our haunches with our heels up on our buttocks. We get numbness, and so on. When we get up, circulation is restored. But this is local, and it is local and in the brain. It is local in the kidneys; it is local anywhere in the body, including the GI tract. You can reduce the inflammation, improve the circulation, and then improve repair. If you have a restricted blood supply, you cannot regenerate because you cannot get the growth factors into that area to regenerate that tissue. That is basically the concept that I have with mold and mycotoxins. Is this the damage, and what you are dealing with is trying to keep that damage constrained and help the tissues recover, or at least maintain?

Ann Shippy, MD

A lot of times, it does take time for people to figure out the source of the mold and get remediation done or move. then also to get the toxins out of their body so that they can heal. I love this theory that you have and what you are seeing happen with all the data, where it does boost the body’s ability to get that repair going during that whole process. But it takes two to recover.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Unfortunately, it does. As you say, it does take time. Healing does not happen overnight. If you break a bone, it is not going to be repaired overnight. There is nothing I can do that I have ever seen happen to repair bones. Even that little girl took 12 weeks.

Ann Shippy, MD

Let us talk a little bit about what PEMF is and how it works.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

We know about EMFs. Everybody’s worried about EMFs. I call them environmental magnetic fields, but EMF stands for electromagnetic fields. EMFs are environmental, and they are broadcast into the environment. You have a microwave tower that is broadcasting a cell signal, or you have radar, television signals, or radio signals. They are all broadcast in the environment. They go out into space. They bounce off the ionosphere. The reason they are a problem is because they are typically high-frequency, which means that they get absorbed by the body. Whatever is in the way of that field, whatever stands in the way of that field, is going to absorb that energy. EMFs absorb and create heating and irritation. The signal is irritating to the DNA. It could disrupt DNA. That is why those signals can be harmful to the body, especially high-intensity exposures or chronic, long-term exposures.

Ann Shippy, MD

I want to come back to this in a minute, now that we have opened it.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Out of the box?

Ann Shippy, MD

Box, we should probably come back to it a little bit. I have some personal experience living very close to

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Our.

Ann Shippy, MD

Six for a couple of years, and they were not right in my line of view, but I felt better when I moved. I mean, I had to move.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Absolutely.  It is chronic, and it also comes in bursts. It is not necessarily done all the time. Those are environmental, and they create heating, which means they create damage to the body. You can tell, for example, with the cell phone that if you hold a cell phone to your ear, it is cooking your ear, and it is cooking your brain. If you take the cell phone away from the ear that you have been holding it against, it is going to be bright red. You look at the opposite ear, and it is not bright red. You are cooking with a cell phone. If you get bombarded, then with all these waves, they are cooking just as a microwave oven does, so the degree of exposure, the intensity of the exposure, becomes the problem. But those are EMFs. PEMF stands for pulsed electromagnetic fields. They are still electromagnetic, but they are pulsed, and they are not based on frequency at all. The fundamental concept is that currents are flying through a wire; let us say my thumb is the wire, and the currents flow through the wire. Every time the current pulses into the wire, a magnetic field is produced; it goes out and collapses right back on itself. It does not broadcast. It can keep going.

Ann Shippy, MD

More ocean waves are coming in.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Into the shore.

Ann Shippy, MD

Shore.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Into the shore. Exactly. Although an ocean wave started in the mid-Atlantic, is our mid-Pacific going to be a bit different? these fields that, because they are pulsing and closing back and forth, the level of exposure is significantly less. As that magnetic field goes out, it goes into space. If you happen to put a body in that way, then that magnetic field can go through the body as if it were space. The body does not stop or use up a magnetic field. We use that principle because it is pulsing at a rate that is safe for the body as it passes into the body. Think of it this way. It is the wind in the trees. You cannot tell the wind is there unless the leaves are moving this air movement all the time and it is just passing through the tree. It does not stay in the tree. The tree does not restrain it, absorb it, and use it. It does to some extent, but not. Magnetic fields are like that. They are the wind blowing through the cells of the body. Why the tissues of the body? They go right on out, and it comes right back to that principle, which is very important because that means they are extraordinarily safe. As they are passing through the body, they are jiggling the leaves and the branches of a tree. In a sense, they are not jiggling directly; what they are doing is interacting electromagnetically.

They are interacting with the charges in the body. The light bulb was turned on by a magnetic field going past the coil. The body’s electricity as the magnetic field moves into the body, increases all that charge in the body, and that charge in the body creates change. In my book, Supercharge Your Health with Power Therapy, and also in my first book, Power Tools for Health, I outlined all the different actions of magnetic fields in the body. It is not disease-based. It is not that you have a headache. You take an aspirin; it is not a candy problem or an infection. You take an antibiotic. Magnetic fields are generalized in the way they work. They do not care what the cells are. It is the cell that determines how the magnetic field is going to work. How much energy is going to be produced, and what kinds of chemical reactions are going to happen? These kinds of neurochemical reactions are going to happen. The skin does not produce a whole lot of neurochemicals.

Ann Shippy, MD

Would you say that the way that it works is helping the cells have more resources to do their jobs better?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

I could not have said it better myself.

Ann Shippy, MD

Okay, awesome.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

That is exactly correct. The cell now has more resources to do the work it needs to do, and we can always improve the amount of energy in our cells. Always. Now there is a limit to how much we can produce, but we could always use more. The reason we age is because we do not have enough.

Ann Shippy, MD

The wear and tear of living is wearing right where all the different toxins and the depletion in the food supply have optimal nutrients to run things through the stress that probably the EMFs all the different things.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Or the EMF is just another stressor.

Ann Shippy, MD

This is exciting. Can you talk a little bit about how somebody with chronic illness or mold exposure might want to use the equipment if they had it?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Yes, I think the decision is always going to be whether you go somewhere to get treatment or whether you do it yourself. Usually, when you have chronic mold exposure, you are going to have reactions in your body. They are going to be long-term, if not lifelong. Then it is autoimmune. If you have an autoimmune process going on, you have a lot of inflammation, and you have all the reactions to the inflammation and the damage in the tissues. Physiologically, these are the arrangements that happen, which means that you are going to need to be doing magnetic therapy for the rest of your life. Most likely.

Ann Shippy, MD

Based on what you are saying, it sounds like everybody should.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Or should anyway? Yes. Whether it is mold exposure, mycotoxins, or any chronic illness after age 40, what percentage of the population has a disability?

Ann Shippy, MD

It is getting higher every day.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

All the time. Yes. Or something like 40–20% of the population has at least one disability.

Ann Shippy, MD

What with what we were seeing with children these days, too? With autism, ADHD, all the increase in diabetes, all the autoimmunity—it is even with what is happening.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

If we talk about glyphosate and things like that, then yes, we were all constantly bombarded, which means work. As it says, we were constantly challenged. We need to amplify the benefit of whatever is going to keep us as healthy as possible. I know a plastic surgeon at Virginia Beach who discovered that if he does not get people on a diet or a proper, healthy diet for at least three, six, or three months before he does surgery, they do not get the same results. He now requires all his patients to be on a Whole Foods diet—a healthy, balanced diet—for at least three months before he will even do the surgery.

Ann Shippy, MD

I love that it is.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Right for this for the reasons that we were just discussing. Everybody can use improvement. then if you prove yourself to an optimized perspective before you create stress for the body surgery, you are going to recover better and faster, and you do not leave things to chance. Right now, if you have a procedure, if you have an appendectomy, what does a surgeon do to help you recover from your appendectomy?

Ann Shippy, MD

Nothing zero.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

That is not true. This is what the surgeon does: cross your fingers. All right, you are leaving things to chance. It is going to be up to you to recover. I have done my part. You do your part. What we were doing with magnetic field therapy was decreasing the chance factor. We are giving you a much better opportunity to be able to maximize and optimize what your body could do to stop it, repair it, and recover whatever the causes of the injury and the damage to the tissues are.

Ann Shippy, MD

That is great. People have the option of finding a practitioner who has one in their office, or they can get one to have at home.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Or get one on their own. At drpawluk.com. We provide consultation services for free and give you advice on which system you should get because there are lots of choices and it is very confusing. Unfortunately, some people do multilevel marketing and sell $6,000 machines that do almost nothing. Why? Why do I say almost nothing? Because it is all about the intensity. I get into arguments with people all the time. Once about frequency, I said, No, it is not about frequency. That principle that I mentioned with the coil and the light bulb with a magnetic field stimulating it: the stronger the stimulation from the magnetic field, the brighter the bar is going to be, and the more charge your energy produces in the tissues. Well, that is very important in our bodies as well. If you do not have enough charge in the body, you will not get enough benefit in terms of optimizing the body. Your intensity is the most critical factor. that is based on something called Faraday’s Law.

But there is another factor. But even if you have the right, if you have a machine that is better than one gauss, which is what these multilevel marketing machines are, one gauss, that is G-I-U-S-S, is the measure of the magnetic field. Our research has shown that you need 15 gauss optimally at the adenosine receptor. Then the adenosine receptor is on all white blood cells. Wherever in the body are the white blood cells, wherever you have inflammation, you have white blood cells. They are coming to help. They are coming to the party to help. But you need to have 15 Gauss to stimulate the adenosine receptors. But the problem then is that magnetic fields can field any other radiation, whether it is called radiation, heat radiation, light radiation, or magnetic field therapy, which is not ionizing radiation. All radiation is subject to another law of Physics. We call it the Inverse square law. In medicine, if you are going to get radiation therapy, you have to calculate the dose of the radiation at the depth of the tissue you are trying to treat. that is based on the inverse square law. In my book Supercharge Your Health and on the website, I have a blog about adenosine and the relationship of adenosine to inflammation.

Then we have tables to show you what magnetic field intensity you need based on where you are trying to treat. If you have pulmonary problems, significant pulmonary issues, whether it is, say, recovering from COVID, asthma, or pneumonia, all of these things, then you have to calculate the dose of that magnetic field in that tissue. For example, if you try to treat across the brain from one side of the skull to the other, it typically takes around six inches. To go across the brain with a magnetic field to stimulate inflammation on the other side of the brain, you need about 4000 gauss. I go into that in the Supercharge Your Health book. I have tables about different kinds of magnetic devices, how they work for different conditions, and recommendations for specific conditions. That is all based again on the intensity rule. But there are people out there who are selling again, usually multi-level and are saying high intensity is bad for you. It is horrible. They do not care about the science. They are trying to sell a machine that is too weak. They say frequency is more important than intensity. Well, from their perspective, frequency is all they have. They have density. We now have machines that are approved by the FDA to treat treatment-resistant depression, and they are treating the brain with about 8000 gauss.

Ann Shippy, MD

You need to see a healthcare provider for that.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

For that. I am not recommending that for you. Okay. I am saying that you have the right intensity for the problem that you are treating. It is going to be safe there. It is not harmful.

Ann Shippy, MD

There are some things that people could do at home if they understood how to do them and what they needed for the particular area that they wanted to address.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Absolutely.

Ann Shippy, MD

There are a few things for which it is better to work with the health care provider to get the optimal treatment.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

In some cases, it is a short-term benefit. If you do get pneumonia, whether caused by mycotoxins or not, you should help your body heal from it. If you just had surgery, you ought to help the body heal from that surgery. That treatment in a provider’s office will work because it is short-term. You only need it for a short period. But we deal with a chronic problem. If you stop the therapy, the problem comes back because you cannot heal the tissue completely. Then you need to do home treatment. Besides that, even if you are doing home treatment for a lung problem, a brain problem, or an autoimmune problem, you are going to need it for life anyway because all the other things that magnetic fields do are going to happen too. They are not going to treat that problem. But they are going to support your general health.

Ann Shippy, MD

For somebody who just wants to be proactive and preventative, what are your thoughts on that?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, absolutely.  My response is typically that we have about 100 trillion cells in our bodies. How many biochemical processes happen in every single cell per second? Thousands. Thousands of biochemical processes are happening constantly in the body. Yes, how much treatment time do you need? I do not know. Your body’s going to tell us.

All right.  I say I probably spend at least half an hour a day. somebody who tells you you only need 3 minutes a day or you only need 8 minutes a day, garbage can use a stronger word. Garbage. You need what you need, and your body’s going to tell you what you need. If we listen to our bodies, we say, Okay, I need half an hour. If you do half an hour of treatment and you have pain, and the pain comes back four hours later, then obviously you did not treat it long enough. You could treat again in 4 hours as you continue treatment, as you begin to get the healing going on in the body at significant reductions in the inflammation, you can then begin to stretch out the treatments to be less frequent. But if you are doing health maintenance, you do it every day.

Ann Shippy, MD

Is there a time of day that is better than another, or is it the beginning of the day or the end of the day?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Not really. Although I do recommend that for health maintenance purposes, we should be doing magnetic happy in the morning for sure to get rid of the cobwebs from the night before. I just wake the body up after sleeping all night and laying down for six or eight hours, and you are not moving a whole lot. There has been a significant slowdown. You have got to wake things up. The morning is a good time as well. At the end of the day, is there any day that goes by that we do not have busy logic? At least stress.

Ann Shippy, MD

It would be nice to have a few of those.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

They are pretty rare, and even living a day uses up energy, and food, uses up all the processes in the body, and gets used up as a day goes on. What you might want to do at the end of the day is wash the stress of the day out of your body. Magnetic fields have been shown to do that. They accelerate the elimination of adrenaline from the tissues.

Ann Shippy, MD

That analogy is beautiful. You mentioned treatment-resistant depression. I noticed on your website that your last blog was on stroke. Are there any other things that you are super excited about about how to consider using the PEMF?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, the most common use of PEMF is pain, because pain drives everybody. About 40–60% of the reasons for the business. The primary care physician is being seen because of pain. Pain is a strong motivator, a pain by itself. You want to get rid of the pain. But to get rid of the pain, you should get rid of the cause.

Ann Shippy, MD

Exactly.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

You need to repair that tissue. Otherwise, it is a process that taking ibuprofen for chronic pain is not going to solve the same problem as new problems. Your pain is the biggest one, but it does not matter which organ in the body is involved. We have headaches in addition to pain. We have physiologic issues. I dealt with somebody yesterday who had cirrhosis. I was recently talking to a woman who had Crohn’s disease. significant processes and nothing in medicine is helping her to heal herself from her Crohn’s damage. That does not matter. You can treat any physiologic function. That is why I go back to the 27 different actions of magnetic fields. It does not matter what the issue is, what the disease is, or what the problem is; all of it can benefit from pain therapy.

Ann Shippy, MD

Well, I am starting to think we all need one. We all need one at home, so we can do it every day.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, ideally, you need the right one. That is the key.

Ann Shippy, MD

Let us talk a little bit more about what some of the right ones are out there to choose from.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

All right. In the book Supercharge Your Health, I have tables—a table of the different devices on drpowluck.com—on the home page. There is a tab you can touch called product comparison. It gives you a long list of all kinds of devices, from very weak, very mild, and very small to very powerful and very large. There is a spectrum. The most common mistake people make with magnetic field therapy is that they tend to buy based on price. They do not buy based on the condition, the cause, or the intended treatment. If you are only buying it based on price, you are usually going to spend a very small amount of money—$500 or $600 for a machine. That is not going to get you very far. Now, it is. It is going to be okay for a tennis elbow or arthritis of the wrist, but it is not going to help the whole body that much. 

Getting the right machine, you are going to invest. I would suggest thinking in terms of not only the current situation but also what are you going to need five or ten years from now. What do other family members need? You may be able to do a carpal tunnel with one machine, but your knee is a much bigger area, and you may need a much bigger, stronger machine. You have to think about the totality of the person. If somebody comes to me because they have Crohn’s disease but also have osteoporosis, then what am I going to treat? They need something because they think they need something for Crohn’s disease. That is a priority for them. They forget about osteoporosis.

My job as a holistic practitioner is to say you need to look at the whole person and what is going to drive the decision for the equipment. What osteoporosis is going to require is a much stronger machine that treats the whole skeleton rather than just creating something for the belly itself. Now, people do not always have the resources or the money, or they may not even have the time. You do what you can, but you may have to continue to keep in mind that you are a person, and the whole bone is connected to the head.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes.  The whole body seems to know what is going on everywhere. It is because we think that the mouth is separate from the rest of the body. Well, no, it informs everything everywhere that the immune system is traveling everywhere. Let us go back to the EMF for just a second. Since we talked about it, there is so much data behind the PEMF being safe. There are a lot of questions and doubts about EMF. A lot of people still really do not understand that it can be dangerous to live next to cell phone towers and hold their cell phones up to their heads.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Or keep their Bluetooth in their ear.

Ann Shippy, MD

It yes. I would love it if you could just maybe give your top five tips for managing EMFs and keeping your body and your children safe from amps.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, number one is what you said. Know where the cell phone towers are. If you have one within two or three miles of where you are living, then you are getting a lot of EMF from those towers. There is some somewhat 360, but mostly they target and bombard in, let us say a light stream. They go out in a cone. Towers are important. While 5G is touted to be a really big thing, the biggest problem with 5G, again, is where the tower is, because it requires a lot more energy to produce a 5G signal. You need a lot more towers, and most of those towers are smaller and in local neighborhoods. You have to know where your 5G transmitters are to be able to decrease your exposure. What are the most common exposures that people forget about? What do they call those utility meters? Smart meters.

Ann Shippy, MD

Smart meters, yes.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Smart meters are dangerous because we neglect them and forget about them. If you have a smart meter in your home, get rid of it or move it. The solution to a lot of these problems is to boot. Which is not that easy. It is easier said than done. But if you have one, get rid of it, and you will have to get a meter that they have to read. Now, not all the way, not all places will allow you to do that. Most places in the country now do. You are going to have to pay an extra fee to get rid of that meter. If you are living at the end of an apartment building or a townhouse building, they often have the meters in a row at the end of the townhouse. If you are next to that meter bank, you are getting fried.

Ann Shippy, MD

Okay. I know some people that I know have some type of kill switch that they do at night to turn off a lot of the power in the home. Do you feel those work?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Yes. Wi-Fi is another big one, and it depends on the strength of the Wi-Fi signal. If you happen to have a Wi-Fi signal in a room next to your bedroom, you have a problem, and that is a big one as well. If you have a big house and the Wi-Fi bank is at the other end of the house that is 100 feet away and you are not, you are going to get some exposure, but you are probably going to get a lot. But if you have mycotoxins already or if you have an autoimmune problem already, your body’s already lit up. It is already being sensitized because the nerves are jangled and irritated by the inflammation. Well, then yes, you should probably turn it off at night. In Europe, we do not have those here, but in Europe, they have demand routers. They only turn on when there is a signal coming through.

Ann Shippy, MD

That is interesting.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Same thing with cell phones. When you are not using your cell phone, there is no signal coming through it. It is an arresting state. There is very little being produced by the cell phone. It is only when it is active that you get exposure. You obviously should not have your cell phone by your bed. If you are going to have a cell phone in your bedroom, ideally it should be in airplane mode. But I have also discovered recently that my text messaging is still coming through, even if it is in airplane mode.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

You should not be in your bedroom at all. As far away. 

Ann Shippy, MD

Not wearing it on your body. Men need to know.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Absolutely not wearing on your body. It should not be worn on your body for hours and hours a day. When you are using it, you should use the speaker or wired bags. If you have wired bags, then you are going to have them on your body to have a wired connection. Wow. Okay. Well, they have to make those trade-offs. Bluetooth is better than the cell phone, but it is still EMF. It is very weak. the same thing with the earbuds. They are still producing a magnetic and electromagnetic signal, but it is much weaker. rather than having a cell phone. The best of all is the tube type; you are connected. But the retina of the signal is lousy. Hearing it is horrid. Now, that is not a good solution.

Ann Shippy, MD

Defeats the purpose a little bit.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

The speaker is probably the best way you can do it. The speaker is okay.

Ann Shippy, MD

Well, I love this conversation. In that way, we can use electromagnetic fields favorably for positive or detrimental influence on our electromagnetic fields, and there are action items that we can take that maximize those benefits. It is.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

You have to understand your technology. You have to understand the benefits and the risks now. But, to get back to that topic, how can you help yourself other than by removing it? Which is the best thing to do? You cannot remove it. The best thing to do to protect yourself is to use PEMF. If you do PEMF twice a day, whatever harm you had from those signals, whatever stressors you had an inflammation, they may have caused me harm. When you do magnetic field therapy regularly, you are washing all of that out of your body. Magnetic field therapy by itself is protective, but it does not eliminate it. It does not block it. You cannot block these signals when you leave your house. They are out there everywhere. You cannot do so unless you want to wear an aluminum helmet.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes, I do know people who have built Faraday cages over their beds.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Which is a bit extreme. Even though they do not help that much. They help somewhat, but they are not completely effective unless you create a complete cocoon. If there is any way there is a gap in that cage, the signals get in.

Ann Shippy, MD

I appreciate that. As long as this has been around, it is still somewhat of an evolving field. I think the way that technology is going, there are probably more things coming that are detrimental. But then there are also more and more things coming that are protective and helpful. It will be people like you who help integrate all that information.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

We can repair it. We have a choice. We can repair it. It is our choice.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes. It is so interesting. I was just at a medicine meeting down in Florida, and after a day of being there, I remembered what it was like to be living in mold. My body was so achy that I could hardly move. I wish I had one of those PEMFs.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Where would you go to the conference?

Ann Shippy, MD

But instead, I packed my bags and left, which was ultimately probably the best thing. Fortunately, they were recording the conference. When they release the recordings, I will get to go back and listen to the lectures that I missed, but I missed getting to see more of the interaction. Yes.  I mean, it was, I think, one of those mold situations that was just horrendous. I was not the only one who either could not attend the lectures or had to leave. So hopefully they will do better at picking a safe place next time. But it was fascinating how quickly the inflammation went up in my body and was just screaming at me.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, it is not only the mold, right? It is all the EMF in that environment as well. Hotels produce very large Wi-Fi signals. They reached all the spaces in a hotel. You got them, you got the mold, you got the dust, you have the sound, and you have the air. There are all kinds of things going on. Those kinds of closed environments activate the inflammatory processes in the body.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes. This one was primarily for me, the mold. You could smell it. Yes. It just reminded me of the old days when I was young. I would wake up in the morning just feeling like I was being run over by a truck, and I did not know how I was going to get out of bed, take care of my kids, get to the office, and all of that. fortunately.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, some small PEMF devices are relatively affordable and are battery-operated. One of them is called the Flex Pulse. The Flex Pulse is not cheap. It is $290, it is portable battery-operated, and it has ten programs in it. One of the programs is ten hertz, and another one is seven hertz. People who are into Schumann Resonance say that seven hertz, Schumann Resonance, and ten hertz have been done on repairs. That little girl with the thumb used ten hertz. Ten hertz, ten cycles per second, or ten pulses per second are then restored. But you can wear it. I have had people who put it on the base of the skull, where it gets your autonomic nervous system, and therefore your vagal nervous system stimulates the vagal nerve, which calms the autonomic nervous system down. At the end of the day, you can put it on your pillow inside the pillow cover and run it all night long on program one, which is Delta for sleep.

Ann Shippy, MD

That is beautiful.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

If you fly across the country, flying from west to east, you are losing time. the stress of the travel by itself, you can take that theta program on that machine and put that at the back of your neck. That could relax you and keep you very relaxed if, when I fly overseas or am doing a redeye, I put that one coil on the base of my neck on Delta, which is program one on the flex pulse. I call that flying Delta.

Ann Shippy, MD

That is awesome. I am going to order one of those. I have got a trip coming up that is going to be about a 24-hour journey.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, that is bad. Yes, the Flex Pulse is great for that.

Ann Shippy, MD

Well, and then it took me about three days to feel myself after this conference. I was bumping up my detox and doing those anti-inflammatories. But I probably would have been fine right away if I had added this on top of it.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

You had that before. What you can do, too, is use the stem, the coil, and one coil right over your thymus to stimulate your T cells in your body.

Ann Shippy, MD

Nice. Yes, that is probably a great idea to include regularly as well, just to keep the immune system charged up.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Yes.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes. Well, I would love it if you would just, for the people who are listening who are still in the thick of things with their chronic illness and the molded mycotoxins exposure. What inspiration can you give them on their healing journey about getting to the other side?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

It is multifactorial. You have to use multiple strategies, and you are rarely going to find a single strategy that is going to solve all problems. You cannot do magnetic field therapy by itself, that nurse, that surgeon, or the plastic surgeon. Nutrition is very important. You cannot rebuild a tissue unless you have the nutrients to do so. Yes, you have to have adequate protein. You have to have adequate fats, sugars, and so on in your body. A good, balanced diet. A balanced diet becomes very important. Magnetic field therapy will work better if you have a balanced diet. That is another aspect of regular use because you need to do it regularly. That is why I do not recommend going to a doctor’s office most of the time unless you have an acute issue that is going to resolve itself rapidly. 

Now, one of the most common sources of referrals to me, I said, is that the most common reason we will come to get a consultation is number one: they have been to a doctor and they feel an experience from the experience of the doctor’s office, and then they realize they have a chronic problem. Then you have to get their machine. The other one is that people who buy these from multilevel marketing companies buy these very low-intensity machines, and they realize they are going to spend $6,000 for a very low-intensity machine. You may have to spend $7,000 for the right intensity machine. It is going to cost you a bit more. But you have got to get somebody to be much more effective for you. Magnetic therapy is not just for you; it is for the house.

Ann Shippy, MD

It may be a television.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, well, if you want to. It is your choice.

Ann Shippy, MD

I do not know. That word might spread.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

It is your choice, though. I tell you, when you buy a magnetic therapy system, you do not own it. The house owns it, including a dog, a cat, and plants.

Ann Shippy, MD

Beautiful. Yes. Let the listeners know how to find you again, the books, and the website. because I think there will be a lot of people who will want to know more about the information that you put out there on this important mission that you are doing.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Exactly. Thank you. The first one is drpawluk.com. That is D-R-P-A-W-L-U-K dot com, and that is free. But there is a ton of information, and a lot of people find it overwhelming. But there are a ton of blogs, a ton of podcasts, and a ton of videos. You can take a vacation on drpawluk.com and use up a whole vacation.

Ann Shippy, MD

Instead of Netflix binges. You can do Powluk binges.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

I feel sorry for you if you do. Yes. If you are suffering and not feeling well, then you should find lots of resources to help yourself. The most practical book is called Supercharge Your Health by Dr. Pawluk. It is more of a manual, and it is an active resource. It helps you understand how to use magnetic fields. I have received specific advice on different health conditions, including supplements, herbs, and supplements. At the end of each recommendation, that is a very useful part. If you want the science, if you are a skeptic, or if you have people around you who are skeptics, many doctors are, especially your doctor. But if you bought one of the books, the Power Tools for Health Book, your doctor’s a skeptic. Read the book to the doctor, but do not be disappointed that they will not reach for it. Power Tools for Health has the references. There are 500 references to more of the science.

Ann Shippy, MD

I love that you have that academic background in science all wrapped into this big heart of yours. That is such a beautiful mission. Yes. Thank you so much for joining us, and I hope this is helpful for everybody listening.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

I hope so as well. Thank you again for inviting me to have a chat with you.

Ann Shippy, MD

It was so much fun. Thank you so much.