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Kashif Khan is the Chief Executive Officer and Founder of The DNA Company, where personalized medicine is being pioneered through unique insights into the human genome. With the largest study of its kind globally, The DNA Company has developed a functional approach to genomic interpretation overlaying environment, nutrition, and lifestyle... Read More
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Absorption, BioHacking, Cell Phone, Dna, EMF, Emfs, Frequency, Healing, Magnetic Field, Microwaves, Pemf Therapy, Therapy, WavelengthKashif Khan
So everyone, we are back for another awesome conversation. We’re joined by Dr. William Pawluk who I’d actually just met recently and was blown away. We were supposed to talk for a certain amount of time and we went way over because the conversation was so interesting. And we’re talking about a topic that a lot of people aren’t so familiar with, how important it is and how much they need to look into it. And Dr Pawluk’s been investigating deep and is gonna help us learn not only about PEMFs themselves, but also the relation to your genes, your epigenetics, and what’s going on in general. So, first of all, welcome. Thank you for joining us.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Thank you for having me on, and I look forward to sharing with your audience, your summit attendees.
Kashif Khan
Yeah. Thank you. You know, I spoke to you the other day, and it opened my eyes because I’ve understood EMFs being used in clinical practice. And I understood that’s an evolution towards PEMF, and there’s some efficacy. Maybe first let everybody know when we say PEMF, what are we even talking about?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s a critical question. Clearly understanding what it is, right? ‘Cause most people have heard of the opposite.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Which is concerning,
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And that has to do with EMFs.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So the way I distinguish between those, and you’ll hear different things from different people about this, EMF stands for electromagnetic fields. I define EMFs as environmental magnetic fields.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And the fundamental difference between them is basically how it’s produced. And EMFs are basically broadcast into the environment. You got this microwave tower, or you have a radio tower, or a television tower, and it’s broadcasting the signal, basically 360, into the environment. It can be directed, but essentially it’s 360. That means there are wavelengths, and they go on theoretically to infinity. So that’s EMF, it’s environmental. It’s not designed for us. It’s designed for communication.
Kashif Khan
Right
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
The body happens to get in the way. The body is incidental to an EMF.
Kashif Khan
‘Cause they’re intercepting the signal.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Pardon me?
Kashif Khan
And intercepting the signal.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And essentially intercepting the signal. That’s absolutely correct. So if your signal’s coming this way, and your body happens to be here,
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
well, that signal’s gonna go into your body.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Now, if the wavelength is long enough, and there are wavelengths that are broadcast in the environment that are long enough, they’ll just go right through the body.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But the reason they get intercepted by the body is because the signal, the wavelength, is extremely short.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
A body, wavelength, say from head to toe, let’s say a typical wavelength is gonna be three meters. So that means the wavelength has to be more than three meters, not to be absorbed by the body.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And for that wavelength, you need a wavelength, let’s say bigger than 100 gigahertz.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I’m sorry. Take that back, 100 megahertz. So 100 megahertz signal is almost three meters long.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Okay, below that, smaller signals than that, let’s say, 10 megahertz, That’ll go right through your body.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
All right? So the shorter the wavelength, the more likelihood of absorption into the body and that’s the problem, it’s absorbed. And when it’s absorbed, depending on the intensity of the signal, how far away you are from the transmitter, et cetera, then you’re gonna have different degrees of absorption. Essentially, microwaves, and most of what we’re talking about is microwaves, magnetic fields or microwave fields, microwave, EMFs. So, microwaves are in the gigahertz range. So what a microwave oven do? It cooks.
Kashif Khan
Hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But why is it cooking? Because those wavelengths emitted by the microwave oven, by the magnetron in the oven, are extremely short, and therefore they get absorbed, and they heat.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So again, depending on the degree of exposure, the length of time you have the exposure for, it could be essentially fairly damaging to the body. Let’s take a cell phone. If you put a cell phone to your ear, actually hold it on your ear, your ear will turn red.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You see it all the time, take the cell phone away from your ear, it’s bright red. So what’s happening? You’re cooking your ear!
Kashif Khan
Hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You’re cooking your brain, minimally, because the wavelengths, they drop off in intensity very rapidly from the emitter, which is the cell phone itself. If you look at the opposite ear, it’s less red.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So it’s reacting reflectively from the other ear that was exposed. So essentially you’re cooking your ear. Now, PEMFs are completely different. PEMF stands a pulse electromagnetic fields. So one is a wavelength, in other words, one is a frequency magnetic field. Like our power lines are frequencies, light is a frequency, sound is a frequency. All of these are frequency based. And that again depends on the wavelengths. So PEMF is a pulse magnetic field. And the difference then is that the PEMF is generated by a current. Let’s say my thumb is the current, the direction of the current. Let’s say my thumb is the wire and the wire’s passing underneath my palm. Well, it’s that magnetic field, it’s that electrical current that actually passes through my thumb, through that line, if you will. Then there’s a perpendicular magnetic field generated by that.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It’s perpendicular to the flow of the current, we call that the right hand rule. And what happens, every time there’s a pulse in the current, the flow of that current, then what happens is you get a magnetic field that’s produced. And it expands and collapses, expands and collapses, it always goes back to zero.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s called a closed loop. The EMFs that are broadcast in the environment don’t come back. So they’re open loop. So the big distinction then really is that you don’t have a wavelength.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You have a pulse and that’s very different. So every time it pulses, every time it’s emitted by the circuitry of the control unit, it drives down that line, and it’s pulsed at whatever rates you wanna set it for. Typically most PEMFs are pulsed at a rate less than 1000 gauss, less than 1000 hertz, as opposed to megahertz. So hertz is the frequency, pulses per second. So it’s pulsed at a pulse rate, which some people interpret as frequency. Some people interpret it as hertz, but that gets to be dicey in terms of the blurring of the technical terminology. So a PEMF is really not hertz, it’s pulses per second, but you’ll see people talking about hertz, which actually, as I said, is very misleading. So a PEMF is still a wave, it’s a wave that’s coming into your body, coming back out, wave coming out, coming back down. So it’s not absorbed
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
’cause the wavelengths are too long. It’s not a wave, like, as I said, it’s just got a wavelength. But it still can pulse through, into your body and through, depending on the intensity of the field. So that’s the key. It depends on the intensity of the field.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And the intensity of the field usually is much bigger at slower rates with high intensity magnetic fields. So a magnetic field that’s pulsing at, let’s say the rate of 5,000 pulses per second, because it’s pulsing so fast, equipment most of the time, unless you’ve got huge equipment, equipment most of the time cannot pulse fast enough to get through the whole body.
Kashif Khan
Hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Okay. So the intensity drives, the intensity of the production of that magnetic field drives the benefits of the values of the body, depending on how deep into the body you could pulse that field. So again, the weaker the pulse, the faster the pulse, the less penetration there is into the body. But because it’s not a wavelength, it’s not harmful. So PEMFs are designed for therapeutic use. They’re designed with a body in mind, most of the time. Okay? EMFs are designed for communications.
Kashif Khan
Right. It’s the wrong tool for the job.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It’s not, yes, it’s the wrong tool. But you know, it can be used for as a tool in medicine, as you were saying. And doctors use that radio, it’s called radiofrequency ablation. So they use extremely rapid rates, high intensity, to burn lesions on the skin, or tumors or warts. In some cases it’s used to cauterize tissue, so that means it actually burns the tissue so it basically causes a scar.
Kashif Khan
Mm mm
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And that has a purpose, that has a value. It’s destructive on purpose. It’s intended destruction. So in a sense, it’s a form of electrocution.
Kashif Khan
Wow. So we’re gonna get into now what the benefits are, why someone would even seek out this form of therapy. But I wanted to ask you, do you use a cell phone yourself?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I do.
Kashif Khan
You do?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I do. Almost always on speaker.
Kashif Khan
On speaker. So you never hold it up to your head.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Rarely, very rarely. ‘Cause I know the risk and I don’t even like the cable sets.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? Because that bud still produces a magnetic field, but that’s still a lot better than holding the phone onto your ear.
Kashif Khan
And how about people that are holding the phone in their hands all day, texting and scrolling on social media?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, they’re still gonna do some stuff to the hands, but you know, you could say, well, okay, well that’s not as bad. If you’re holding it in your lap and texting, it’s probably gonna be a bit more, have a bit more action on the thigh. If you have it in your pocket and it’s on, ready to take signals all day long, well, it’s getting close to parts of your body that you may not wanna have that exposure to.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right?
Kashif Khan
You’ve gotta think about this kind of mini microwave that you’re carrying around. Would you put your head in a microwave?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It totally is. Would you put your head in a microwave?
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I had a friend actually who had a cell phone, carried it constantly in his pocket, it was always on.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And he felt this kind of interesting little neuro neuropathic, neuro buzzing thing in his leg.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
From the stimulation from the cell phone at that spot.
Kashif Khan
Wow.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
We have evidence, we have evidence in fact. Well, there’s some degree of evidence that people who hold their phones to their heads in the same place all the time, particularly kids, for hours at a time, there’s been an increased incidence of brain tumors on that side of the head.
Kashif Khan
Wow. Yeah. We’ve heard this. In fact, I have a friend that has been for two surgeries and she is on her phone all day. She runs a real estate company, so she’s constantly on the phone, had two brain tumor surgeries. But getting back to the PEMF, so you’ve explained the difference. So that’s kind of like scientific logistical difference between the two types, the EMF and PEMF, there’s some people that maybe don’t even know what is the benefit? Why do I even want PEMF? What does it do for me?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So that goes back to basic laws of physics. And the primary benefit comes from Faraday’s law. And Faraday’s law says that a magnetic field passing by a conductor will stimulate charge
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
in that conductor, the higher the magnetic field and the faster it rises. So if you have a magnetic field that goes like this, it’s very wide, it doesn’t have a high peak.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
If you have a magnetic field that goes like this, phew, really rapidly, high and fast,
Kashif Khan
Yep.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
then that induces more charge. So the faster the rise, the higher the rise and the faster the rise, the more there is charge induction in the body, and that’s called Faraday’s law. The symbols for it scientifically are DB, so D is stands for delta or change, B is intensity.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So the change in intensity divided by the DT, divided by the change in time. So the higher the intensity and the shorter the time period that you get to the peak of that curve, the more charge production there is in the tissue. And it typically is the leading edge of the charge, so like a wave. You know, a wave’s gonna knock you over at the front edge, it’s not gonna knock you over at the back edge.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? A wave in the water sense.
Kashif Khan
Yeah, that makes sense.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
PEMFs are in a sense like that.
Kashif Khan
And then what therapeutic benefit are people seeking when they go get PEMF therapy?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
All right. Very good. See those books behind me?
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Okay. So one is called “Power Tools for Health”.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And that book, I wrote that book, it has over 500 references in it. And in that book, I talk about some of these basic concepts of PEMFs. and I describe 25 actions of magnetic fields biologically.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
25 actions in the body. That charge production in the body that’s caused, you know, by Faraday’s law, the induced charge in the body, then initiates all kinds of responses in the body. And those responses lead to at least 25 actions. And I’ve given references to those actions. So in other words, this is not just hypothetical, it’s not just marketing hype, there’s science behind this, it causes all these different actions. So we’ll get into some of those in a second. And in the second book, “Supercharge your Health”, I provide concepts of how to organize and think about magnetic fields and then how to use them for different conditions. So in the first book, I have 50 different health conditions that I review.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
The science for those health conditions. In other words, the research backing for how magnetic fields can treat that condition. Now, why do I do the two? Why do I describe actions? And why do I describe diseases or conditions? Because the Western mind thinks in terms of diseases or conditions. Those 25 different actions that I mentioned, the PEMFs, apply to almost every disease.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? There’s a change in the physiology of the body. There’s a change in the way things are supposed to function physiologically. There’s a change in the way the tissue looks and functions after that. So I describe basically three levels of function, of healing in a sense, One is tissue. So we think of the body as tissue, right? I can pull up my skin and that’s tissue. I poke it, I burn it, I punch it, whatever I do with tissue. So we don’t think of that as molecules.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? We think of that as tissue.
Kashif Khan
Yeah. You think about the end result, not what it’s made of.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Not what it’s made of. And what is it made of? It’s made up of biochemistry. It’s made up of chemical molecules.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But how do those molecules work? We have, let’s say, well, you use about 70 million, 70 trillion cells in your body. I frequently use 100 trillion.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right, so, I dunno, somewhere between 70 trillion and 100 trillion. Anyway, it’s an impossible number to imagine, right? So out of all those cells, what percentage, how many biochemical processes exist in every cell per second? 2000 to 5,000.
Kashif Khan
Wow.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Every single cell has about 2,000 to 5,000 chemical processes, metabolic processes per second.
Kashif Khan
You can’t even think about what that even looks like.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yes, but the whole thing works.
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. It’s all controlled.
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But what controls it? Physics.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You can’t see it, you can’t touch it, you can’t feel it.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? It’s there. It’s working. It’s causing it to work. So for example, charge is an important aspect of physics, positive charge, negative charge. So all molecules, well most molecules have charge. Some molecules are pretty neutral, but for example, salt, our bodies are saline, right? Largely, a large amount of saline. But you can’t dock a sodium molecule to a chloride molecule unless the physics allows that docking.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? The physics says, okay, I can dock, I can’t dock. And actually there’s an atomic microscope at Johns Hopkins and they put Dilantin, which is a medication for seizure disorders, put it into the solution. And they were watching it on this atomic microscope. And all of a sudden things started shaking, started moving. This is long, long after they already put the solution. There was no environmental contribution to this. They saw things shaking and all of a sudden the Dilantin molecule showed up.
Kashif Khan
Oh wow.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? So way before the molecule showed up, there was already electromagnetic action going on.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So take that principle then, you’ve got all these 25 actions at least, and then you have the tissue and then things have to work.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And when they don’t work, what do you get? You get imbalances. And the body has these, what we call homeostatic mechanisms. It’s always shifting things back and forth. If you go up in the body, you’re gonna have to come down, because the body says, you’ve gone farther than I want you to go.
Kashif Khan
Right. Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
pH is a good example of that.
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
If your pH gets a little too acidic, the body produces a little bit more bicarb or a little more basic functions to bring it back to neutrality.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So pH is extremely tightly controlled in the body. Through all these little shifting mechanisms, that’s called homeostasis. So PEMFs basically, to some extent, when you have a disease or a problem, you are restoring balance by virtue of providing the system more energy to do what it wanted to do in the first place.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Let’s give you an example. Fractures. So when you break a bone, that’s damage to the body, it’s already way out of balance for that tissue, right? Now, the body has to kick in, automatically kicks in all sorts of mechanisms to try to deal with that fracture. And that means, there’s blood there, you’ve gotta remove the blood. There’s inflammation there, you’ve gotta remove the inflammation. There’s edema, there’s swelling there, there’s muscle damage there’s nerve damage. There’s blood vessel damage, connective tissue damage. All that damage now has to be repaired. So when you see a fracture on an X-ray, there is a lot more damage on either side of that fracture than just the fracture itself.
Kashif Khan
Right, yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
The body then kicks in all sorts of mechanisms to reestablish balance and to try to, to reestablish the bone.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? So that’s what, and then the bone heals. And medically, what we do is we put a cast on it. But does the cast heal?
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
No, it does nothing. All it does is prevent you from being stupid.
Kashif Khan
Yep.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? From moving that fracture.
Kashif Khan
Yep.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And then if you don’t move the fracture well enough and you are healthy enough, then over the next 12 weeks or so, fine, you have what’s called a callous. You have an area where the body has now started to produce bone to fill in the gap in the break.
Kashif Khan
Hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
We do that with the skin. So if you cut yourself in the skin, the body knows there’s a cut, it martials all kinds of resources to fill that gap. So the skin heals itself.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Now, there’s a problem with fractures. They don’t always heal.
Kashif Khan
Hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So like 1% or 2% of the time, you get what’s called a non-union. So a non-union means the fracture has not healed. And then you have basically a bone that’s wiggly.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And the government, the FDA, has actually approved magnetic devices to heal fractures that haven’t healed after six months.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And in some cases, now people are using them for what’s called delayed union. So if after three months it’s still not healing adequately, then they’ll start initiating treatment. So the FDA has approved magnetic field therapy to heal these non-unions. Or you could do surgery, you can do all sorts of invasive things to try to get that fracture to heal, a huge percentage of the time they fail. And of course it’s invasive on top of that. So you get the problems of the surgery itself. What they found is that magnetic fields, that stimulating that area of the fracture, the non-union, all of a sudden, they come alive.
Kashif Khan
Hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
They start to kick in, and the healing process begins, and the devices that have been approved have been approved for like 18 gauss. So gauss is a measure of magnetic field intensity. So you need 18 gauss. So that’s what they were approved for. But you have to treat the fracture for 10 hours a day.
Kashif Khan
Wow.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So you put the-
Kashif Khan
Sorry to interrupt you, but are we talking about an EMF tool or a PEMF tool?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Always PEMF. I don’t talk about EMF.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
We’re not trying to destroy the tissue.
Kashif Khan
Yeah. Understood.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
We’re trying to heal the tissue. So based on Faraday’s law, the longer wavelengths the charge goes through, as it goes through, it stimulates the process all over again. The body now has energy, it got stuck for a reason. It didn’t have the energy to finish the healing.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Now you’re giving the body the stimulus to produce the energy, to finish the healing process. But you have to treat for 10 hours a day. And they did a survey of 170 people who were supposed to be doing this for fractures of the arm, the leg, and the hand, skateboard fractures, which are common for non-unions. It takes about 180 days to heal a fracture with magnetic field stimulation. Even fractures that have not healed for seven years, all of a sudden wake up and start to heal.
Kashif Khan
That’s incredible. So essentially what you’re saying is the body is innately resilient. Like it’s designed to survive and there’s processes in place to do these various things, whether it’s healing, replacing, repairing, you just supercharging that process. as a catalyst. Those PEMFs are saying, “We already know what happens, let’s just do a lot more of that by providing the energy for it to happen”. ‘Cause energy is the root of everything, without the energy, nothing happens, right?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Nothing happens.
Kashif Khan
And so if you, it’s kind of like taking your Ferrari and adding a few extra horsepower and you know, all of a sudden it’s faster than every other Ferrari. So that’s incredible, that you’re able to.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Or taking those cylinders in the Ferrari that are not timed right.
Kashif Khan
Right. Exactly, yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You tune them, you time them.
Kashif Khan
Yeah. ‘Cause it could be a question of adding capacity to what you do, or making up for what you don’t do well, could be either one, right?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right.
Kashif Khan
So now I actually, by the way, tried PEMF when I had a fracture, I don’t know if you guys can see this, but there’s a bit of a lump here, so I had a cast. I was actually doing squats in the gym, and I got down to the bottom, couldn’t get back up. My spotter was gone, wasn’t paying attention and the bar fell on my arm. So, snapped my arm. I went to a facility that had a PEMF tool and I didn’t do it for 180 days, I did it for four or five days, you know?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It wasn’t a non-union that’s different. It was-
Kashif Khan
Yeah, so it wasn’t non-union yeah, it wasn’t a non-union, yeah. But anyways, I did feel like almost this instantaneous sense of relief I don’t even know how to explain it, but it was this sort of sense of like it’s as if I could feel what you described, that there was energy given to this location so that the resilience was increased. I don’t know how else to describe it, but that’s what I felt.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, and that’s what you will feel with the right magnetic field.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
If you have a very weak magnetic fields you might feel virtually nothing.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But it had to be at the right intensity and it had to be enough intensity for that magnetic field to produce enough charge to the tissues that you could feel all of a sudden things waking up.
Kashif Khan
Yeah. And the interesting thing is that there’s a tendon here that was probably the most painful part. The bone actually didn’t hurt that much, it’s this tendon. I couldn’t sleep at night ’cause of the pain here. And that’s where I felt this stimulus, you know, I felt like all of a sudden this, ’cause it wasn’t hurting for a while, I had already been in the healing process, but I felt this stimulus all of a sudden like, no, you need more work here. It’s kinda like my body was telling me that, right? So it was interesting.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Absolutely. And that’s a good point, because in fact, one of the things I tell people most of the time, PEMFs rarely, rarely cause problems.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Because the magnetic field is just passing right through.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
What they do is they reveal problems.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
If you stimulate an area and it’s healthy, then the body doesn’t react, you’ll feel nothing.
Kashif Khan
No need, nothing going on. Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
There’s nothing going on. So it takes whatever energy you present it. And the body says, okay, that was interesting, bye!
Kashif Khan
Yeah. Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? And yet on the other hand, if there’s a problem there, it’s pushing it. So the analogy is athletic training. You don’t get off the couch and run a marathon tomorrow.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? You gotta train, and you’re gonna hurt. You’re gonna push, and you’re gonna back off. You’re gonna push again, you back off and train some more. You push again, you back off and train some more. So gradually you’re basically ratcheting up your activity level. Your resilience level, your endurance, your stamina, all this improves and your performance. You’re trying to do a high jump, you gotta be able to go up, you know, jump that high.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
We have to train for it. Well, PEMFs are basically like that to the body. They’re pushing the body. They telling the body, do more work.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And do more work. As you increase the intensity, as you increase the treatment time, the work is happening. And then the body’s able to do more and more and more and more. And then finally, when it’s healed, like your fracture, if you stimulated your fracture today with a magnetic field, you probably wouldn’t feel anything.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
‘Cause it’s healed now.
Kashif Khan
So this, it makes sense then why you say like, when I asked you, “So therapeutically, what is this for? Who needs it?” Well, you’re like, “Everybody needs it”. Because most chronic diseases aren’t innate, something that you’re born with. They come from inflammatory loads on cellular structure because you made poor choices that are misaligned to your genetics and eventually something breaks. What is that thing? It’s different for different people. So if you were to, you know, experiment with whatever that condition is at the PEMF level, we’re saying that the system that’s failing, that led to that being your expression of disease versus something else, you’re supporting that system. So if it’s a chronic condition that you’re not born with, essentially you can help resolve it with this tool. What about things that are innate, things like, you know, for example, sickle cell syndrome, you’re born with it, it’s a genetic condition. Can you aid in sort of relief for those types of things?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, this is where we can get some discussion about DNA,
Kashif Khan
Right,
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And PEMFs. So the answer is yes. If you have a genetic condition,
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I can’t turn you into a female by doing magnetic therapy.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s not gonna happen. Because your DNA won’t allow it. And the magnetic fields that we use are not designed to do that, to push you beyond what your genetics would be. So in sickle cell disease, we don’t aim to reverse sickle cell disease.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I tell people that for sickle cell disease, that’s between you and God.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And you made a deal with God to get sickle cell disease. Right? So go and negotiate with God.
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And good luck with that.
Kashif Khan
Yeah, no kidding.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. So no, what we do though, is we say fine, what happens? What’s the pathophysiology of sickle cell disease?
Kashif Khan
Mm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Pathophysiology is that the cells, those red cells are sickled. And because they’re sickled, they’re not round little donut things that can fully accept charge and take in nutrients and release oxygen and so on, in the tissues, they’re not functioning properly. So I can’t make it function properly, ’cause it’s still a sickle cell.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But I can optimize its function.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So I can take it to the best level it can be. So PEMFs will help to restore the best balance that can happen in the presence of imbalance.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Can you run, let’s say, a 100 meter race with one leg?
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well you can, kind of.
Kashif Khan
You can hop.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You can hop. Or you get an artificial leg.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? So you’re adapting to your situation and you’re gonna find the best balance you can find in the presence of that imbalance.
Kashif Khan
So that’s actually fascinating that something like, what we believe to be, what you have to live with, a genetic condition, you’re born with sickle cell, but you’re understanding the functional nature of what’s actually going on, which is “So what’s the problem with sickle cell?” Well, because of the shape of the cell, it’s not optimal in terms of nutrient absorption and all that type of thing. So let’s make up for that. And then yes, you still have sickle cell, we’re not trying to get rid of it. We’re trying to make up for what that does to you at a functional level and replace it with other sort of resilience, which is incredible.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, sickle cell disease happens to be a sort of favorite topic of mine. ‘Cause
Kashif Khan
O, Okay!
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
MEPF therapy can be a extraordinarily helpful. What happens with sickle cell disease, because you have bad functioning sickle cells, they clump.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm, yep.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And when the circulation slows down, they can clump and form clots and therefore you develop pain.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? So that’s what the sicklers do, is they begin to actually cause tissue damage because of the lack of oxygenation and lack of circulation into tissue and they have extreme pain. So PEMF therapy then basically helps to decrease that density of the sickle cells, increases more oxygen to the tissue, so improves the circulation to the tissue, and at the same time has a natural pain relieving effect, What you described to your arm,
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It’s a natural anti-nociceptive. It’s called nociception, which is the perception of pain. So it’s an anti pain perception action that happens almost instantly. And then all the other actions roll out as the body begins to organize itself and produce the changes that need to be made.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm. Wow! So then how do you target, meaning that I understand when my arm was broken, I had these two discs that were sitting on either side of my arm that created the waves. So how do you target something like sickle cell, which is head to toe?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yes. “Supercharge your health”.
Kashif Khan
“Supercharge your health”, yeah. So the answer’s in there.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, I don’t know that I talk about sickle cell disease specifically there, but yes, the answer is, first of all, because we have, let’s say 100 trillion cells in our body,
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And there are 5,000 processes per second in every single cell. What can go wrong?
Kashif Khan
Sounds like a lot.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
There’s a lot of opportunities for things not to be perfect, right? Not to be in balance. So the question is what can’t you optimize? Even in a healthy person, what can’t you optimize?
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And aging, I call aging “death by a thousand cuts”.
Kashif Khan
Right? That makes sense.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Not so much the genetics, the genetics is important. Then we’re gonna talk about epigenetics, but then you’re loading on top of that genetics, other demands on the body’s repair processes and restoration, rebalancing processes. So what we’re doing then is we’re pushing all of those systems to be optimized and giving it the opportunity. Now you can’t build a house without bricks and mortar.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You need the tools. You need the nutrient elements. When you’re repairing a fracture, all of a sudden your demand for calcium goes up, your demand for magnesium goes up, your demand for boron goes up. So your demand for a lot of nutrients go up.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And if if you’re deficient in those, your healing process is not gonna be as good.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right, so you have to optimize the substrates for the body to be able to do the work that you need to do. That’s why, the analogy is you can’t build the house without bricks and mortar.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So if you have all the mortar you want, but you don’t have any bricks, well you’re not gonna go very far, right?
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And then you need, if you have all the bricks and the mortar, that’s fine, but you’re gonna need plumbs, you’re gonna need ladders, you’re gonna need all sorts of other tools and equipment and you’re gonna have to have somebody doing it.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So PEMF therapy basically relies on the body’s natural capacity to do the work it should do, optimizes it, but it’s limited by the tools the body has available.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm. And so, I mean, everything we’ve spoken up until now is sort of condition-based, like therapeutic. How do we deal with various diseases, whether chronic or not? I’ve heard you once say that this extends beyond just masking or supporting therapeutics around conditions, but that you can actually dive deeper into the actual DNA repair and cellular regeneration and going beyond just what you feel, but what you don’t even know is happening. And so how does that work? How does PEMF help with DNA repair?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, in what you ask, we’re talking about global.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. and you’re talking about an obvious problem. So let’s do another analogy. Back to 100 trillion cells in your body. How many cells does your left little toe have?
Kashif Khan
Yeah. I don’t know.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Let’s say millions. Okay?
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I don’t know, it could be 20 million, I don’t know, let’s say millions. If your left little toe decide to get an ingrown toenail,
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
How many cells have to be damaged before you even notice?
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Millions.
Kashif Khan
Yeah. Big number.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Huge number.
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But if you’re doing magnetic therapy on a regular basis, all those cells are getting the energy they need, they wouldn’t have that problem.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So because you’re optimizing everything constantly, continually, now you can’t do it all day long. You can, if you wanted to, but there’s no harm if you did. No apparent harm. We’ve not done studies on people for 30 years doing 24 hours a day of magnetic field therapy.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But, but at this point, depending on the intensity of magnetic field, if you’re giving that body energy on a regular basis, it’s got enough energy when it needs it. So if I take five deep breaths right now,
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
what am I gonna do to my body?
Kashif Khan
You’re gonna oxygenate it.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I’m gonna oxygenate it, but what am I gonna do because of the oxygen? I’m gonna cause oxidative stress.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That the body now has to deal with, because that’s not the natural state. I shouldn’t be breathing that many breaths that quickly.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? So then the PEMFs then help the body’s optimization processes fix that faster.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And same thing with the foot, you know, you just don’t develop the problem, the toe. Because those cells, in medicine there’s a concept called cell injury. It’s called the cell injury model.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So every cell has all these processes in it. If any of those processes go awry and they go awry bad enough, then the cell begins to become injured.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It can’t function as well. And if it’s can’t function as well long enough and bad enough, it dies. And there’s a demarcation line called the line of irreversible injury. So if you cross that line, now that cell is gonna die.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It’s gonna die naturally, ’cause you hasten the aging process to that cell, or it actually dies because you’ve poisoned it or burned it or traumatized it in some fashion. So it dies. And then it goes through a whole process of dying, there’s a process of dying as well. And it’s detectable by us at different degrees, we can do lab testing, we can do X-rays, we can do biopsies. We can do all sorts of testing. The more you can see it, the farther it’s advanced, but it’s way past that line of irreversible injury already.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So if you’re supplying energy to the body on a regular basis, the cell has a chance to repair before it gets down to that bottom.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Before it becomes irreversible. And that’s the goal. You’re talking about injury, right?
Kashif Khan
So we’re actually talking about preventing. So we’re not just talking about treating or masking or limiting, we’re talking about preventing chronic conditions.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Correct. ‘Cause our bodies are opportunities to fail.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
We’re not designed to stay alive forever.
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Nothing is actually anything that has form is not designed to live forever.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Because of entropy. Everything over time loses energy to maintain form. So you have to constantly be adding energy to form, to maintain the form. And that’s what we’re doing with magnetic field therapy, we’re adding energy to the body, we’re increasing the energy production of the body so the you’re maintaining the form at whatever optimization you can, depending on the stressors you put on it.
Kashif Khan
So essentially you’re saying it’s also an anti-aging tool because you can add healthy years to your life that you wouldn’t have otherwise had, because you were on a certain path with your energy and cell degeneration, but you’re slowing that down.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Totally, totally. So the question for us is, you know, so up to age 24 or so.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
This is the aging curve. Actually up to 24, you’re actually more like this.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You start off faster at the bottom one, two and three, and then eventually you start to plateau, and at age 24-ish, now the rate of breakdown and rebuilding, or building, has plateaued.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It’s even, it’s equal. Most of us notice by about age 40. Now we start to have creaks and rattles.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? So why do we have creaks and rattles? Because the curve is not like that anymore. The curve has started to tip.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So at about age 24, if we’re not doing optimization, we are going to age. Now obviously the more stress you put yourself under, if you happen to play for the Toronto Blue Jays or the Argonauts or a professional football team, you’re gonna go down faster.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You’re putting your body in harm’s way, you’re putting a greater demand on your body, and often it’s an uncontrollable demand.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Like your fracture.
Kashif Khan
Exactly, yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? So that’s entropy. You have to maintain the energy in the system so the curve of decay, the curve of breakdown and aging is optimized as much as you can. So doing adequate nutrition, taking care of the genetics that I think we’ll be talking about as well, all optimizing your genetics as well, becomes an important part of this process. So the PEMFs gives you one more tool.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm. So if somebody believes that it sounds like what I need, like it’s not invasive, it’s easy to do, what does it typically look like? Is somebody buying a machine and keeping it at home? Are they going to a clinic? How do they typically do this?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s an important question. So going back to 5,000 chemical processes per second.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Go to a clinic.
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
How much help are you gonna get?
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So you’re gonna get help, but it’s not the same as doing it more regularly.
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So as a holistic family physician, I learned a long time ago, I’m not your doctor. You’re your doctor.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I’m your consultant. You gotta take care of yourself. I’m gonna give you the tools, and then you take care of yourself. So you have to be taking care of yourself essentially all day long.
Kashif Khan
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Eating properly, resting properly, getting enough activity, having the right attitudes, all the things we talk about with lifestyle for anti-aging, they’re still necessary. What they’re missing though, still, is the amplification of the natural energy in the body for optimization purposes. ‘Cause otherwise you’re taking a chance. You go once a week to get a treatment, it’s better than not going, but it’s not the same as doing something every day yourself.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And the question is, is once a day enough? 5,000 chemical processes per second.
Kashif Khan
Yeah, It’s a lot to deal with.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
We don’t know how much is enough. So what you do is you do what you can. And what we find out is that people who do magnetic field therapy at home on a regular basis, on a daily basis, go on vacation.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
They took it for granted, ’cause they were doing it every day, so they’re optimized, relatively speaking, unless they have a barbell fall in their arm. Right? So they’re optimized. They go on vacation, they’ve stopped optimizing.
Kashif Khan
Yeah. And they feel it.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And people feel it. They can feel the difference. And then when they go back home, they feel the difference right away in order to get themselves back up to where they were before they left.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So every condition, every health condition, every body, every person needs to kind of figure out their own formula for what you should be doing. Back to your point though, I think really, the key would be to do your own treatments at home.
Kashif Khan
And-
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And then we go back to Faraday’s law.
Kashif Khan
Sure, sure. And how do people access these machines? Like what, do they work with you, or how do they get them in their homes?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, there are lots of people selling magnetic therapy devices.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
There are multi-level marketing companies that are selling devices, they’re on the Internet. If you do a search on PEMFs, you’ll come up with thousands of links.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So there are lots of people selling. A lot of the people who are selling are not doctors. They’re not engineers, they’re not physicists. They don’t really know exactly what they’re selling, they don’t necessarily know the mechanisms and they don’t know how to optimize, the processes for you.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So we have set up drpawluk.com.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And for that purpose. So as a physician, I guide people to the right device. Now, if you’re just looking for something for health maintenance, you probably don’t need my advice. So you could just read one of the books.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And there’s a list of the machines on the books, some of which I carry, some of which I don’t. So we sell machines on our website, ’cause people want advice and then they wanna know how use it. And then they wanna know what to do about the next condition they get. So we decided at one point basically to do this, to do proper support, proper education, get people into the proper equipment for their needs, then they need a consultation typically.
Kashif Khan
Right. And just to be clear for everyone that’s listening today, it’s drpuwluk.com, so p-a-w-l-u-k, correct?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
.com. Correct.
Kashif Khan
So dr p-a-w-l-u-k.com, I highly recommend you go check that out and read the book, I’ve been skimming through it and it’s been very interesting to learn so quickly. But I think what you said nails it, is that health isn’t a doctor’s visit, it’s everything in between the visits, right? It’s what are you doing, you know, you might see your doctor once two, three, maybe five times a year, depending what you’re dealing with. But the time you spend at home is really where help happens because what you eat, what you do, how you spend your time, those are the things that turn the dials up and down. And going to your doctor, like you said, I mean, your perspective is amazing, and we wish that more doctors would think that way, but essentially you’re saying you’re a quarterback. You’re helping them, you know, you’re creating those guardrails, which becomes their strategy and making sure that they stay within them. And that’s what medical practice should be, it’s like, here’s everything, come see me, I’m gonna maintain what you’re doing, but you gotta do it. ‘Cause if you don’t do it, then it’s just you coming to me for a prescription every six months or whatever, you know? So it’s amazing what you’re doing, and we wish more people would think that way. One last thing,
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Can I broaden that concept a bit?
Kashif Khan
Sure, yeah, yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Years ago they did a study on about 10,000 people and asked them if they had any symptoms and had any issues, health issues. And then they found out over that number of people over that next month, how many people ended up in a university medical center?
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
How many people ended up in a, or how many people had surgery? How many people ended up in a university medical center? How many people ended up in a hospital? How many went to the doctor? So of 10,000 people, 80% of the people said they had a symptom.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
In that month they had some kind of health symptom, but only something like 2000 people ended up going to a doctor.
Kashif Khan
Hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Then of the 2000 people that ended up going to a doctor, maybe 100 ended up in the hospital.
Kashif Khan
Okay.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Only one ended up at a university medical center.
Kashif Khan
Really?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So you have this pyramid,
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
in terms of descending down into the, if you will, into the mass.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
If you can capture people at the point at which you are having symptoms,
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
like I mentioned with cell injury, if you’re already having a symptom, you’re having a dysfunction.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
If you could fix that dysfunction at that point, without having to take a pill, without having to go to a doctor, that’s optimal, ’cause that’s when you could reverse it the most quickly.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Before it’s too far gone, like certain things like dementia, Alzheimer’s, you know, you want to catch it early and literally reverse it, you know, versus wait and see, and hopefully the doctor will fix me, which, you know.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
At age 60 or 65 or so, people who have memory problems already,
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
A fairly substantial percentage over the next five to 10 years will become clinical.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Because you know, we’re not doing the things we could be doing when we start to notice the memory problems,
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
that we need to be doing. So because again, we’re distracted, and we have other priorities, and so, now we wait, and by the time you wait, it’s kinda too late.
Kashif Khan
Yeah. And there’s also the belief that, can you even intervene? You know, the belief that I have it, or I don’t have it, that binary, sick or not sick, versus it’s coming, like chronic diseases take time to develop,
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right.
Kashif Khan
So again, catch those red flags or warning signs, access to your DNA and understand where the risks are. Get ahead, blood work isn’t just about testing when you’re sick, it’s about knowing in advance what’s coming, right? So all the stuff you can do to have preventative insights, yes, you very much can take control, regardless of what that chronic condition is, and prevent or reverse it. But you have to start on time, you know, and..
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And the DNA, the DNA testing that you do, gives you a large lead time.
Kashif Khan
Right, yeah. The earlier you start, the better. Well, this was fascinating. I wanna thank you and I wanna remind everybody to check out the website, ’cause I agree. This type of thing, it’s not about one and done. It’s not, you wait to get sick and then you deal with it. It’s, you have it at home and you make it routine. You know, it’s part of what you do, you brush your teeth, you comb your hair. You know, this is another thing you do in terms of maintenance. And it’s so easy and painless. And if it’s in your home, it’s not just you, it’s your whole family. So highly, highly recommend, go to Dr. Pawluk’s website, check out what’s going on there, get the books so you can learn also and start teaching the people around you, ’cause healing isn’t just about what you do for yourself, it’s becoming an ambassador to help everybody around you. And when the habits of everybody changes, everyone’s healthy. Then all of a sudden what you eat at night, to how you exercise, like everyone’s doing it together, right? So, we talked about how PEMFs can aid in sort of DNA repair and cell regeneration. What about the epigenetic phenomenon? Is there any insight there in terms of, is it pointing us in any direction? Is there anything we can do and glean from PEMF?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, we’ve chatted before, so when we’ve chatted before, we talked about fixed genetics and epigenetics,
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And we assume that fixed genetics is completely fixed.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But even fixed genetics gets attacked, gets assaulted and has to react. So the question is, and what you can do is to try to optimize your fixed genetics or at least remove the things that are gonna stress that fixed genetics.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So one of the examples is if you start taking, say, you’re a male, you start taking female hormone, or you take male hormone, but you’re a rapid converter.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So now what are you doing? You’re stressing your fixed genetics.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? So you don’t do that, if you know that, don’t do it. On the other hand, fixed genetics also can be compromised by other things, including injuries, including infections.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So, it needs to be able to function. And it can’t, I say that you can’t grow a garden in a swamp. Right? So even good genetics may not be able to function adequately for the amount of stress that’s put on it. So that’s one aspect of what PEMFS could do, by keeping you optimized, that you’re optimizing the environment for that genetics, you’re cleaning the garden, you’re making the ground more appropriate for that genetics. And then, then we talked about epigenetics. So I think you can do a much better explanation of epigenetics than I can,
Kashif Khan
Yeah-
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But that’s the response of genetics.
Kashif Khan
Yeah. It’s the response, and I mean, a lot of people here listening are familiar, but not deeply familiar. And that’s where maybe you can help them understand, you know, how you see it.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Life is adaptive.
Kashif Khan
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right? As I said, everything’s gotta be in balance. So when it’s put out of balance, the body tries the best it can to bring it back into balance.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
As I said, if you lose your leg, then you can’t put yourself back into balance, but you find ways of dealing with that imbalance, as bad as it is. Now most of the time with epigenetics, it’s not that bad, but as we stress our bodies, our bodies adapt genetically, and I guess you can call that epigenetics.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It’s adaptive genetics. And so again, if you’re optimizing functionalities in the body, then your epigenetics doesn’t have to work that hard. Or if you’re causing problems, right, let’s say alcohol, you’re stressing your genetics with that alcohol. Well, if all you do is just stress your genetics and you do nothing to help you with the damage that’s causing, then that’s gonna take you down that path, right?
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Downhill.
Kashif Khan
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So what if you do, if you’re taking alcohol? Now, let’s repair your liver. So what do you do to repair your liver? You take all these supplements and herbs, and you detox as much as you can, but you have cell damage. So does nutrition help to repair a cell? Your genetics controls how much you can repair that cell, and the burden you’ve placed on it. So the epigenetics basically is responsive and you can help the epigenetics by removing the condition that caused the problem in the first place, or amplifying the ability of the body to repair, to reestablish balance. And all the tissues of the body, everything’s epigenetic. What, 85%, 90% of our genetics is epigenetics. It’s responsive. That’s part of our discussion.
Kashif Khan
Yeah, it’s really, so we’re saying that we’re responding, but that delta value between where we could be and where we are starts from, how healthy are we genetically, right? That springboard, that launching board where you’re starting from, and you’re saying that through PEMF maintenance, you can bring that load way down, right? So the negative epigenetic expression maybe becomes negligible because you’re starting from such a healthy spot.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You’re start starting from a spot of the least amount of damage, the least amount of injury, the least amount of imbalance.
Kashif Khan
Yeah. That’s very insightful. So I wanna thank you again for coming. This was awesome. Check out the website. Thank you again, Dr. Pawluk.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It’s my pleasure, Kashif. Have a good day.
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