Hope in Ketosis: Nancy and Jerry’s Road to Cognitive Recovery

Opening Reflections on Caregiving and Grace 0:00

And for me, you know, the caretaker, it's like, It's okay, to take a nap. It is okay to go eat. it is ok to walk away. Its okay go out in nature. its okay. And I think that's what I needed to hear. And I think that it's one of these things where it is practice. It's not perfect. A far cry. We are not doing the program perfectly. But if we fall off the horse, we're getting back into the saddle. Because we know that when we went into ketosis, when are in ketoses, both of us can think clearly. Welcome.

In today's episode, I'm honored to introduce you to two incredibly inspiring people, Jerry and Nancy Nelson. This conversation is really close to my heart because they aren't just regular podcast guests. Jerry Nancy joined me for the 12 week reversing Alzheimer's transformation program. and they are living proof that it is possible to meet a diagnosis with both grace and courage. I have seen them inspire others with my own eyes and I'm excited that they're here to share some of their journey with you so that you can be as inspired as I've been.

Together, they were going to tell you about how they've navigated the journey of an Alzheimer's diagnosis, with resilience and humor and a deep love and commitment for one another. You'll hear about daily practices they use, how they've implemented the Bredesen Protocol at home, and how we continue to find hope, connection and joy through the ups and downs of this difficult path. Their story is one of transformation, not just in their health, but in mindset, relationships and in purpose. I think you'll find their perspective uplifting, honest and full of hard won wisdom.

Podcast Introduction and Guest Welcome 1:56

Let's dive in. Jerry and Nancy, welcome. I'm so excited to have you here. Right before we hit record, you were sharing one of the routines that you practice each day, and it's called Just For The Day. Would you mind sharing that with our listeners? No, I'd love to. Just for the day I'll try to live through this day only and not tackle all my problems at once. If I felt I had to keep it up for a lifetime, just for today I'll be happy. This assumes to be true about Abraham Lincoln said that most folks are as happy as they make up their minds to.

Just for the day I will adjust myself to what is and try not to adjust everything to my own desires. I would take my luck as it comes and fit myself into it. Just for today, I will try to strengthen my mind. I'll study. Learn something useful. Not be a mental loafer. Read something that requires effort, thought, and concentration. Just today I exercise my soul in three ways. Do somebody a good turn and not get found out. If anyone knows of it, it will not count. I will do at least two things I don't want to do just for exercise.

I'll not show anyone that my feelings are hurt. They may be hurt, but today I won't show it. Just for today, I'm going to be agreeable. Look as well as I can, dress becomingly, keep my voice low, be courteous, criticize not one bit. Won't find fault with anything, nor try to improve or regulate anybody but myself. Got one over here. Just for today, I'll have a program. I may not follow it exactly, but I will have it. It will save myself from two pests, hurry and indecision. For today I have quiet half hour all by myself and relax.

During this half-hour, sometime I try to get a better perspective of my life. I will be unafraid, especially I'll not be afraid to notice what is beautiful and to believe that as I give to the world, so the word will give it to me. Amen. Amen, and we give that to all of our children. They all have one at their place. So when they have hard times, they say, did you read the just for today? And usually we feel better.

The 'Just for Today' Daily Practice 4:45

Sometimes on that second one where I tell somebody something and I'm not supposed to, I have to do that over a couple times. It's not just an even thing. So I think our listeners can already tell why I've invited you here. You are a testament to doing the hard work and to living your best lives possible despite the curveballs that get thrown your way. And I thing it's because of that that you are this exemplary example of what's possible with the Bredesen Protocol. And I'm excited and delighted to share, have you share your own story here on this platform.

So, Jerry, Nancy, would you mind us starting with the story of Jerry's diagnosis? So about two years ago, we had been going to Mayo Clinic. We're from Rochester and Mayo clinic is our home. Everyone has a story about Mayo clinical and saving lives. And so we've always had that trust, that backbone. we talked with Jerry's family med doctor, just because he was having some issues with memory. Each time we would talk with him, he would just do simple things like, where are you? You know, do you know the day and do know who the president is?

And then basically we got blown off. I went back and I looked at emails and they were as far back as 2019 when we questioned this. But Jerry's true diagnosis came in July, 2023. So for four years we had wandered and we were told, no problem, you know, don't worry about it. So then our youngest daughter was getting married in August and they did a brain scan on Jerry and it came back with an Alzheimer's diagnosis. And that would have been one month before her wedding. Well, and then on top of that, I fell 10 times in one day, you know, when I'm trying to figure out what's going on.

And so I just kind of shook it off that my shoes are too big, or that I was stumbling on them. So that led to more of my not being able to find keys and not be able actually remember the alarm walking in the door. Now since that time, that's all kind of come back and it's always doing well thanks to your programs. And now I can remember almost everything. Some of the stuff I don't want to remember anymore, but that is normal. But anyway, so we went there and when we got the doctor, they did all the x-rays and all that stuff.

So we never thought that they were going to tell me I had dementia. And they said, yes, you have what, stage three or stage one or what? I don't even remember what stage. What Jerry had ended up doing is all of the diagnostic testing, anything that the hospital recommended. He did the spinal tap, the brain scans. Anything that they recommended, he went through. And so we had had at least three doctors that had said he had mild cognitive impairment. They were very specific in locating the area in his brain that was affected.

And so we knew there were three areas in this brain. First was the large motor skill, and that made sense because he was falling a lot. We thought that it had to do with his vision, with depth perception. But the second area in his brain that was affected was his vison. And he would buy prescription glasses, not only through the hospital and through different companies here. I got 25. You know, one day this one would work and then another, you know. So it made so much sense that his visual. Then the third area his in brain was effected was short-term memory.

So forgetting little words or, you know, trying to remember the name of a town and you can describe everything, but you cannot come up with that name. It's like right at the tip of your tongue. And so that's what they had diagnosed Jerry with.

Jerry's Alzheimer's Diagnosis Journey 9:19

Yep. And the doctor got up and we did all these tests and that. And so we sat down and he says, okay, I'll see you next year. I thought, what do you mean next you're dying? You know, cause that's what I though. Well heck, dementia means I'm dead. So we went ahead and emotionally it was strong on us, but we, you know we we want to head. Said, okay. And we kind of, I thought, what do you mean? Goodbye, see you next year. You know, it was almost like it took the wind out of us. Then we went and we started to talk to the kids and they thought the same thing.

Finally, me and Nancy were talking and then we said, after we through about a month or two or three, maybe, well, right before when we met you, we left there. I thought, you know, we'd talk to him all about it. And me and Nancy said, now see, no, We never give up on anything. I said I love you. She said she loved me. and I think if you don't have that in your relationship, I Think no matter what you try, You ain't gonna probably make it, shouldn't say that. But it's, but when you love each other, and you really do, then you'd love of each So our first neurologist, she had told us to get our life together.

Go home, update your will, your trust. You need to wrap up all of these loose ends. And so she told to us, get your life, together, and then she said that there's a treatment out there called lacanumab that Jerry would be a perfect candidate for. So that was like our carrot. That was our hope. and then Jerry was going to do the lacanumab. We were all set for it. And then they came back and they said, we did DNA genome testing and there is a medical contradiction. we can't move ahead. So our earth was rocked again.We were shattered because that, when she explained it, that was the hope.

And it was like that was the light at the end of our tunnel. So then we were like, okay, well, we'll go anywhere. We looked at places in Australia, places, in London, will go wherever we need to go to get the best possible medical treatment. We are going to fight this. And so then the next step was we did a trial through Mayo called the START trial, and that was C1812. We were three months into that trial. And then out of the blue, they contacted us and said, we need to retake blood tests. So we went through all of that numerous times.

Like for three weeks they were drawing blood and wondering if they we're drawing it in correctly or what's going on here. Then they came back. They sat us down and they said we have to dismiss you from the trial because of your blood. I'm a red boy. But anyway, so then we just sat down and we said, well, You know, we don't step back on me. We try to be nice to everybody and do the right things. But in this case, let's just put that aside. And I want a three-day reprieve of dementia. I don' want you to talk about dementia, I do want to listen to it for the next three days.

Because we were starting to feel ourselves get angry at each other. That's really what was starting happen. And so we prayed, and I got my other little part here that I should read. It was on my card that they tell, Lord, make me an instrument of thy peace. Where there's hatred, let me sow love. Whether it's injury, pardon. Or there is doubt, faith. where it is despair, hope, where there is darkness, light, and where is sadness, joy. O Divine Master, grant and I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console, to understood as understand, be loved as love, for it in giving that we receive.

It is in pardoning that are pardoned, And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. So that's what we got back on our hands. And you're the hope. Yep. You are the first hope, yep. What's crazy is I had sent a message to a girlfriend, her father had passed, and she responded back to me, I want you to check out this clinic. And so it was really for my allergies. So I checked out this clinic in Rochester, and it called Wellness on Wednesday. And I have the date, March 20th, 2024. They said, you aren't going to believe this, but the allergy one just passed.

But next week, we're going be talking about the Bredesen approach. I said this is when our faith, is is huge and it gives you goosebumps because I said the Dale Bredesen approach and they said yeah and I Said shut the front door I am reading his book and It's like if you look at all of I have highlighted everything and you know triple underlined and this is the answer And so we went to a Wellness on Wednesday class and that is how the whole Bredesen approach. The door was fully opened and then that doctor had issues with her parents and so had to stop being our doctor.

And that's when we hooked into Recode and the Apollo Health. And that's when we found you and your book. And it's like, we just really believe that God puts people on our path for a reason. All of those doors that Mayo kept closing on us, it was for our reason, going through it, was no fun. But coming through, its amazing when you look back. And we had a lot of tragedies right before that, with our son fell off an 85-foot cliff. He was pronounced dead. And that day, when we were in this high-raised mountain, that they happened to have a All of the ambulances.

All the ambulance, yeah. They never went on this hill as high as it was, and they'd never done a test like this. So here's these three things testing them. Our son, they can't find him because he was stuck, fell off this 45 feet into the tree branch that went through him. And then all of a sudden they got those there well. Yep. Then he went 40 more. The dead, they said, the one rescuer, he said I got this, I get this. And he went up and then he looked and he got it. Mm-hmm. Pretty amazing. He ended up tracking our son on the trail and he breathed for him, he hand-pumped, breath for 45 minutes.

And I think about that, like when I'm exercising, you know, and it's like, I can't do this, it was like he kept thinking of his son and kept pressing the bag, pressing, 45-minutes. They had to jury-rig ropes and clothes off the highway and then they were able to reach him and they had bring him slowly off from the hillside.

Early Treatment Hopes and Setbacks 17:28

So yeah, we've had to deal with traumatic brain injuries. They said, get your family together. He will not make it overnight. You can't go back to Rochester. This was in La Crosse. We can go to back Rochester because if we fly in there, he'll die anyway. Anyway, long story short, He was supposed to be in the hospital forever. He recuperates within four weeks. to see him out there. We slept on the floor for four days or five days. And anyway, so we've had that miracle happen. Usually it was one of ours, her mother or my grandmother.

My grandmother raised me and I could hear all over me, don't give up. So anyway, how did I get into that? And getting through people's worst nightmares, right? Yeah. Using your child to die with Alzheimer's. Oh yeah. And yet here you are returning to your faith, returning your love for each other, your family and having a good time. Yeah, yeah, What's growing old if you don't enjoy parts of it? We're going to get hit with these tragedies throughout life. So what do you choose to come back to? Is it the anger and frustration and the why me or the gratitude and love and joy?

just exemplary in regard. You guys face these closed doors, these repeated closed door at Mayo thinking, okay, we're here doing the best medical care possible and there are these brand new drugs that you get your hopes up and then they're let down, get you hopes down. and sort of guided towards this path of revisiting the Bredesen Protocol. And that was how you ended up in our 12-week coaching program. Right, and it was wonderful. It is wonderful still. We really enjoyed it. Everyone, a little bit more about it, because it's hard work, right?

It's not as easy as getting an injury or taking a pill. Yeah. I mean, you guys, obviously, are not afraid of hard work. We know that. You will sleep on the floor to see how to deal with your child. you've built a successful business together. Right. Kids, You are no stranger to hardwork. What made you dig in and really embrace the program? And how did you do it? Because we knew it. I listened to you. we know this is where we should be. And we talked about it, and we went to it as if we had had a chance to eat cake all day.

That's how good it was. And, we continued to. But, you know, at first, it had to get rid of sugar. We got rid everything. You know? It seemed like, anyway. But funny, our first doctor from Rochester, who was with the Bredesen program, she was like, don't worry about the ketosis, and then when we joined your program it was no, you need to worry. And so for us, there are certain aha moments where we'll try something, because I feel like we're in this together, and we have experienced life. And, so, what Jerry has been subjected to, I've been subject to.

I often wonder, like, should I probably get tested? Jerry had the APOE4 gene. We know that. But we don't know if I have it or not. everything that he is doing for brain health, brain stretch exercises, everything he's doing, that I need to do that. And our kids need that, and the grandkids need it. If anything, I look back and I feel guilty because we had three square meals a day when they were growing up, but they weren't health food. And I look at that and that was a huge aha moment for both of us because we could both feel that we fought so much clearer once we went into ketosis.

And at first, Jerry's like, I'm not gonna prick my finger. I'll prick finger, you know? And so then we both wore, and we still both wear, the continuous glucose monitors. Just now he's, like well, why is yours so low? It's a learning curve. And I think that it's one of these things where it is practice. It is not perfect. A far cry. We are not doing the program perfectly. But if we fall off the horse, we're getting back into the saddle. Because we know that when we went into ketosis, when are in ketoses, both of us can think clearly.

When Jerry uses the steam room, You know, letting go of those toxins, it's huge. And there are certain days, that's like, we don't have time, you know? Like we're just so busy. Then we will notice in each other, not the same energy level and the blank stares. We have the thing, the halt, hungry, angry, lonely, and tired. Before, Jerry would have a lot of, I call them Alzheimer's stairs, where it is like looking off into space. And I might as well not even be talking to him because he's not picking up the pieces type thing.

And honestly, this guy, like even reading the Just For Today, he really had stopped reading. So now he is the one, it's like, well, I prefer audiobooks. Well, get audiobook. It's every time we turn around, we're in the car and let's turn on Dr. Sanderson, let us turn Dr Bredesen. We do these, you know, your deep dive in, let's just enjoy the day. Let's enjoy each other. Yeah, right. And so are you able to enjoy a day when you can't have sugar? I think this is one of them. Oh, yeah, we don't even.

Yeah, we don't even miss it. I mean, with some of the recipes that we got from you. And I think I'm still, I have trouble with bread. That's my problem. My sneak in bread, like for a hamburger, you use the bread you know.

Finding the Bredesen Protocol 24:18

And I've found some places online where they use different ingredients. And so the glucose, the continuous glucose monitor, it will still stay, you know, steady. The line is steady where I can live without bread. So he eats the hamburger buns from a company online. We get it delivered and it's like, hey, It works. It's all good. My problem is though that now lately, by my, its going up. the numbers went up more than what it should. An insulin resistance number. We just had a blood test done. Jerry's A1C is starting to creep up just a little bit, but glucose and everything I think is really good.

What did you think was the other big light that came on with the protocols and things that you used? The big lights. Yeah. Yeah, Jerry's got the V light over here. I didn't know what you meant. We also had light. You got to get every light there is. Now she's talking blue light and white light in the bedroom. They can't sleep. The white lights going on. Your V-light over there. Yeah, I know what it is. I wear that helmet. That's been very... I'm amazed how that has brought me around so fast, memorizing, not stumbling through all my words, or not all of them.

But I am amazed at that. And it seems like... everything's working and then but then there's some stuff that falls behind you know it seems and I gotta go back clean that up but I always had to do that with the baby's diapers. But ironically the three areas that in Jerry's brain that were affected from all of the beginning brain scans And we had neuropsych exams also. But the three areas that were affected now, Jerry has not had a fall in almost two years. This July it will be two-years, right? I still get blizzards and every now and then my left foot will drop, but that's only after I'm really tired.

Yep, and then Glasses, the same eye doctor who did his exam before, retested his eyes. And he's like, wait a minute, I got to redo this. He redid it the second time and he said, what? He's never had anybody's eyes get better, is what he told me. I said well I've been taking this program and with reticence. And I said, it seems like I don't even use them early most of the time. I take them in and off only because I get tired. My eyes get tire sometimes. But Jerry just had his driver's license renewed.

He's still driving and doing all of that good stuff, but he didn't need his drivers license. His glasses, he no longer needs them. That's been like forever. And so we have not had a fall in almost two years. The vision has improved, documented. And then the third thing is short-term memory. It's like we keep asking, when do we get to retest? I want to know. You know, it's not a bad thing. We look at it as a good thing and Jerry had another neuropsych review through mail and it came back better about maybe four months ago and we have a social worker and the social workers said it was probably because you went in relaxed and that you knew what they were going to be asking and it's like I didn't know it all right you know you you can believe what you what You need to believe but we've experienced it and It works it works Thanks for that pink stuff you give us Relax, Mac.

Thanks for that. I relax so relaxed on that, I go an extra hour a day in bed. Don't you think you had that back when you found out about the kids? Yeah, with the kid, well. I tell you the story of that. Me and my wife were getting ready. We're now getting towards senior citizens. And we thought, well, we're going to go on a cruise. So she went in, she said, but the doctor wanted to talk to her. because she'd come up with some, she had some checks. Blood tests. So he'd ask her to come in. I dropped her off because it's busy there and I said, call me when you want me to pick you up.

And I went away. The doctor says you need to come up to the clinic. We've got to show you something. I thought, oh no, something went wrong with my wife. You know, just when we were going to go do stuff, we didn't have to take the kids all the time. So I got there.

Family Trauma, Faith, and Resilience 29:38

Did you have all three of your kids then? They weren't born yet. But you had three older kids. Yeah, I had, yeah we had 3 older. How old were they? They were in their, what, 16? Not when the kids were born. No, that's true. Let me do the math. I think they were 15 or 16 or 17. They weren't good kids. And I have 30. You have three years? Yeah. Difference in between there? Yes. Yeah, 30 years difference. So we were getting up there and I thought, well, heck, you know, we'll go take that cruise or this or that.

We did take a world cruise, but that was before this happened. And so I get in there. I think it was a nurse told me, not the doctor. The doctor said, sit down. Or the nurse said sit on. And then he came in and he said, if you get on, no, she's got cancer or something. You know, some reason hearing this is terrible. I was more worried about her then. And he says, your wife's pregnant. That's exactly what I said. I was like, we're getting ready to travel. And this just popped out of me. So every time I ever go up there to see Nancy or anything, they say, here he comes.

They gave me the little run around, but it was fun. And we ended up not having one Nutella, not two, we end up with three. So now we got triplets and we're trying to figure that out, you know, how we are going to handle all that. And they're just wonderful. They came along and I think we enjoyed them without telling the older kids much, much more than that. You know, no, yeah, right. And, they grew right along, and we loved them, we still do now. One of those triplet kids just had a baby, just recently.

They're in their 30s now, but just had a baby and my wife can't do anything but tell her how good that baby is. I do, I take the phone, you know, like at the grocery store when she sends me pictures, and I'm like, oh, isn't she adorable? But she should be the Gerber baby. So we're loving it. We are loving. But I think that Jerry has improved so greatly over the last like 22 months. He's talking about doing another development and getting back into work and all of this and I'm like... I turned 81. Oh my gosh, I got these feet laying around my house.

So it's like, oh, come on, you know, like it is really time to retire now. And that's when we look back at all of this diagnosis. I had run a company and I head to leave abruptly and two of our boys then, they took the reins over and, and look and think I never would have left them. because they're my kids and I loved hanging out with them all day at work and, I didn't know if they had the ability to actually take the reins and they have proven time and time again that they do have that ability and that this is where I need to be here and hanging with Daddy-O because life is short.

We can't hang out all the time. I know, I got a house where it's about a foot long and I go about 100 feet long. And I want one half of it and she goes the other half and then we can work together. Thank God, like during COVID, you know. It's like you go to one wing and i'll hang out. Yeah, yeah. I said I'll do it. Then we come together and eat and talk and do whatever the things are. But it life's good, I really can't complain, you know. Our kids are good. I mean, they've got problems too, like everybody does.

But they stick with our readings, stick it. And I send them a little reading every night we pray together. My dog now has learned when we started our father. She gets up and comes over and gets in the room. So we have that dog that she wants to go to the bathroom. Usually I say, can I give her a treat then too? But anyway, I'm babbling along, but you know, life is good. You know it really is. And your program works. It works and it's like, you know, if we can just shed the light, and share the goodness to just if it reaches one person, it is worth it because it really, really works when you work it.

Yeah, and here's the deal. The kids say, we say now you guys got to try to get into this. They say oh we can't give up sugar. I says yeah you can, I do it. And they say no we cant give them a sugar and then so I watched them gain 50 pounds. One of them and one of the others said well you got it, not really, they aren't that much. And then my own son, his wife, she wants a baby and she eats sugar all the time. But I can't talk to her about that. So we'll see what happens. I'm trying to get them to at least take a shot at it.

You're certainly leading by example. If you guys were to think back to that month before your daughter's wedding, when you found out that there really was something going on, Yeah. What would you tell yourself? What do you wish that you had maybe done different or learned earlier?

Committing to the Program at Home 35:48

Is there anything that really stands out? You know, I know this path. I think what I want to do is for people who are out there kind of in that position where you were that month before your daughter's wedding, what do we wish you have known? Well, the program, naturally, your program. It'd be natural to have got all this information that's all around us now that we listen and podcast. We have podcasts. just you and the other doctors that are fighting this thing with the old time doctors seems like they don't want to even bother it.

That's just, that's it, you know, go and get your will put together, and whatever it was they would say, see you next year, so that part I'd want have better. I guess I like to say take it easy. You know, take it easy. Don't like when we first, like I said, we started to get mad at each other. We very seldom ever get met. You can't be happy all the time, so there's something that either I left a mess in the kitchen or something. And our advisor, she was bickering at me too much, but that's all part of it.

That's only about 1%. All the rest of, it's pretty good. So, you know, that learning together, doing this together and not having to fight your spouse or not have to. be, have one of them be nervous all the time or one them over like, I was there when we were going through this at the beginning here. I, was afraid to even talk because I thought, my gosh, she's going to come up with some other thing and be concerned for me. But I still was, didn't want to talk. Because if I talked and didn' know the name right away.

She's going to say, what, oh, I wasn't talking about that. Does that go away? You know, you do it a little bit like that now. I still do that once in a while, but I don't want to be an invalid, which you're getting afraid of. You don' want do this. But thank God there's people like yourselves that have stepped out now and this is just huge if you've worked the program. but don't work it your way. Work it YOUR way, you know? I think if somebody would have been able to tell me everything's gonna be okay, everything is gonna all right, because you don' know.

You're right. Yeah, you just did all the things if, uh, I mean, we were checking out assisted living and getting, companies, everything in order. And it came like really fast and no one was able to say like, this would be the progression, and so I felt like I needed to do everything today and I should have had it done yesterday. And so if someone would have been able to say, there's hope, you know, There's light. That's what we said. Yeah. We always say hope. You know we can't. Everything's going to be all right.

Can't sit around and not do something. And when that day comes, that'll probably still be probably trying to get out of the place. Who knows? But as it goes now, I feel that we're, from my standpoint, and Nancy, you can too, but from I standpoint I really feel like we came back a long ways. But it kind of can get scary at times, nothing big. But when it starts regressing back, and then it comes back and forth, then I say, well, who's eating it in my brain now? No, I didn't say that. Or if we have bad nights, bad sleeping nights.

It's like sleep is so important and no one had ever told us that sleep was so imporant. And so we have apps that we're able to look at to say, yeah, I had a good night's sleep last night and a lot of times I need to first ask myself, how was your night before I look up the apps so I'm not influenced. But it's those were some nights we just don't get the right amount of sleep. So then it's like you make the decision, I'm not going to jump into revising the wills today, where it is like, you're not always going be at 100 percent.

But you know what, when I was 40, i wasn't at a 100% when i was 60. So to accept that, yeah, we always say, mama said there'd be days like this, momma said. And then you look at that and address it. For me, the caretaker, It's like, it's okay, to take a nap. It is okay to go eat. it is OK to walk away. I think that's what I needed to hear. Live in today. You used a tool called HALT, you mentioned, the H-A-L-T. Would you give an example of one of the ways that you each use that? Well, usually Nancy uses it on me, because she says, you need ATA.

And I say, yeah. I think it's just, those things are grained from programs I've been in. Being a recovering alcoholic, 50 years I'd been, no, not drinking at all. Is that some of their programs are very big, very good to help me. That just stuck with me. So when I got into these problems, there is a way to get out of them. Maybe not something that's a miracle, but just there's way get your mindset different. I don't read much. Haven't only read one book in my life been her, But I do listen to tapes and I've listened, I'm one of the them, so yeah,

Ketosis, CGMs, and Brain Health Improvements 42:08

hungry, angry, lonely and tired. Any of those we both can tell from each other is already, because if she is teed off at me or having a problem or I'm having the problem, she usually knows and I usually know. She says, you need a nap? I said, no, or something like that. And you've heard of the word hangry, and it's like, I think in our society, when I do go into work, it is like you can push through breakfast, You can pushed through lunch, And it like now I realize I really can't because I am not the best version of me when i go hungry.

And just like when I'm tired, do I get cranky? I need a nap. I know that. And it's okay for me to say, you know what, I, need to nap." I think another thing is just love each other in a way that, not that you walk around, and I love you, honey. We know when each others on us and good and how everything is going good. Most of the time, since we got away from early dementia from the clinic and that, and work in the programs, we are on 90% to 99. I mean we just aren't, We both kind of know and we both kinda work on the same program is very important.

And hate to bring somebody else in on it because they probably couldn't conversation with us. and I think there's a myth out there about I don't know if you want to call it recovery, but our program, our protocol, it doesn't have to be expensive, you know, a lot of it. And like I say, I use it at my age, the kids, The breathing techniques where it's like that doesn' cost anything to breathe. It doesn''t cost any thing to walk in, go outside and take a walk. These things where I can see a huge difference in myself.

It's not a big expenditure. Yeah, and I think it's important that sometimes you feel like they're just waiting for you to kick over, you know, the people around you. I'm not going yet. And I got to watch the three ducks that just flew in the back there. They left their eggs back. There they are on our pool area. But anyway, it It's just great, it's great because we both know what's going on. If you've got to have the husband and wife, but they live together, you know, if they're together and they are in love, or whether they love or not, I don't know.

We are, that's all I can say. And we, don' you think so? Yeah, but I think it can work with any support, like a daughter, a mother, father, friend. It doesn't have to be a spouse. Right, right. But with that going on, it makes it much easier. Oh, yeah. You know, we went through the hard stuff. So that, you know it's the program itself, the reading and like I say, audiobooks, but it's great. Matter of fact, I had Dr. Berdison on the iPod here. Yeah, just minutes ago. Minutes ago, and I didn't, it was in the steam room, actually.

I said, well I'm tired of singing country western Christian songs, because I am a country-western guy, so I like the one where God says, why me, Lord? I think that's what the singer does. And I listen to Joyce Meyers sometimes and those guys, Joel Olsteen and some of them. So, I figure God's with me all day. I can't go to churches because he's been with my all days, but I do both sometimes. You folks have life to live. You've got to attend at kids and grandkids to adore and enjoy. And it seems as if this turnaround in your health for both of you, really, it's allowed you to enjoy all of that more.

It's created more capacity, even though you've gotta put time into it each day. Oh, yeah. The pass on the chocolate cake. Yeah. The whole point of growing old is to enjoy it and to be there with the people that you love. And there's more capacity for that these days compared to a couple of years ago. Amen. I ask everyone, I think that we can all guess, but I'm curious, what brings you the most joy at this stage? together, I think, for us. I mean, being together. That's really, that's the most joy for.

And then the kids, they're all busy. You know, They're on their way up to go do the things that they are. But we love being I have a sister who always says, how can you guys hang out all of the time? All of time. It's like, we like each other. You know, so like even if you want to go rummage sailing or pick anything, it's like, that's who I want be with, you know? So, yeah. The first time you get a little up in here, I do it, and then they say, hmm, now I know it. It ain't going to make it! You've got the naysayers.

In life. I don't know. That's where we are. We'd rather be together. No matter what it is, I mean, we get a part, Nancy goes and does her stuff and I do mine. I think as a whole we have no problem with telling somebody we're in love with each other because a lot of people don't want to tell people that.

Lessons Learned, Hope, and Closing Thoughts 47:48

It's probably they either had a fight the night before or something. We do that, and we did that once in a while. get up on our high horse. So that's what I think is the best thing. And then our kids are good, but they can be trouble. Just wait. They've got more, even our daughter, who's just our youngest daughter. She was telling us the other day, I can't take it. The baby was having trouble, what did she get? I said, we had three of them when you guys were running around. That's different, she said.

Yep, sleep deprivation. I'm going to go help her for a while. Yeah, I know where she's going. And that's something else like that, you know, where before I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving Jerry for long period of time. Where now I feel like, oh yeah, he's fine on his own. It's good. And that's part of it too, I was getting kind of angry. I didn't need you to always be hanging out around me. Really, it was when we got more into dementia and I don't really need that. We have a lot of cameras in our house.

and I would call Jerry from work and he would hit my phone off, and i would be on the camera saying, excuse me buddy, yeah, I saw that, you know. So yeah he felt like he was under a microscope and, he no longer has to watch all of it. I used to unplug the cameras. Yep, He'd unplugged the Cameras. But I don't need it, or I mean, No, You don' t need that. Busy at work, And I dont know, what am I going to do? You guys are an inspiration. I've learned so much. And I know that so many people are going to enjoy, not only enjoy listening to this, but they're going have hope and they'll get outcomes.

They're gonna feel inspired to do the work it takes so that their brain function can be optimized, just like yours. Thank you for sharing your vulnerability, your humanity. None of us are perfect. The program is asking a lot, but you can get the benefit and still be human. You guys, again, you're just the poster children for this program, and I couldn't be more grateful for the generosity of your time and just being willing to share your story. We are so grateful for you and you shining your light and the awareness and hope.

Thank you. Thanks for giving us life back. Anyway, it's great. Well, thank you, Dr. Sanderson. We greatly appreciate it. No, no, they're okay. They say old grandpa. I like these little Vincorpus. They'd say, like Mortimer and those guys, and you're like, hey, how are you? Well, now the kids run around, the great-grandchildren run round. They want to see them now. Let me see that in that box there. I whip that up and they, ah! They all go around and I say that's Mortener, he's still doing good. What fun, what fun.

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