Bioenergetics & Restoring Energy at the PEMF Summit

Harry Masseyu2019s Origin Story 0:00

Through. I said, Doctor Pollack, today I have with me a special guest, Harry Massey of NRS health. And, Harry gave me something that I should do use to introduce him, but I have found that Harry can do a much better job introducing himself, that I can read something. So let me ask Harry to please introduce himself. So, maybe I'll just start of my story, because that some of these that that's places where I came from. So when I was 21, I used to do loads of rock climbing. And I would like rock climb up overhanging faces above, above the sea in the Alps.

And I went on this one trip to Scotland to climb Ben Nevis. I ended up falling because. Because the ice just shattered. I fell, I fell down. Little did I know, I ended up fracturing my spine, but I didn't know that for two for the next two years. I then went on a another trip. Six months later to go to the Alps. I ended up getting, getting a fever while I, while I was climbing, came down, spent, you know, ten, ten, ten days in bed with what I think was glandular fever. And after that, I just became, like, just increasingly tired, went back to university.

I just thought, well, I'll give it, I'll give it a third crack. Because I was really into the idea that an outdoor exercise would, would, would help me. So I went, I went back out to the Alps. But that time I got so, so exhausted. I ended up stuck in a tent, just eating. All I had left in my tent was dried bananas. And there's some some water, so there's just eaten dried bananas and water for, for a few days. Managed to get enough energy to drive back to England, like stopping every, every hour on the highway and didn't know what to do myself.

Enrolled in a in an MBA and it was so exhausting going to lectures. I ended up splitting that over two years instead of one year. Long story short, I ended up in a in a wheelchair. So I did my exams in a in a wheelchair because I just kept I basically wouldn't give up. I just kept pushing it. And that basically led to this really, really quite dark period of, I spent, like, the next seven years, at home, back at my parents house, but mostly bedridden. But you know, to at least how housebound I could, I could get out of bed and, you know, go to the kitchen, borrow from stuff.

But basically, I was totally, totally exhausted. I then went down the normal medical system in England, it's the National Health Service. They honestly didn't know what to do with me. Because you, they call it fatigue syndrome, was sort of like a yuppie type thing. You know, they didn't honestly really believe in it. And so I didn't get anywhere with that for, for the first year and a half, then went down the sort of functional medicine, nutrition, diet roots, ozone, like magnesium IVs, fasting, you know, all, all of these different types of therapies that people try when they're really, really sick.

But I really, actually wasn't getting any better at about five years in. I just thought to myself, well, I know I don't have any energy, so why don't I look up, you know, where energy comes from? And that actually brought us into the world of energy, medicine and and biology. Essex, which is the study, detection and correction of energy in living systems. And, you know, I was really, really I was really fortunate. So the doctor that I was on the you know, I asked him like, well, who are the energy experts and, well, energy medicine experts in the world?

And he put me in touch with the scientists from Australia. Cool. Professor Peter Fraser and, he, he basically be mapping out, you know, what we call it, the human body field. And originally, originally he set up the first acupuncture college in, in Australia and translated, a lot of the, of what he used, you know, he used to go to China, translate ring out of Chinese and I, he was one of the, the first people in the west, to to, to basically translate Chinese medicine and set up, you know, for official curriculums in Australia.

That became part of Melbourne University, but Melbourne University, the other professors really didn't like the ideas of, you know, chai and meridians and energies. He was under a lot of pressure. So so he ended up he ended up leaving the university and just went into into private research. I don't you know, we were just talking about Eve. So he, he, he people, one of the early Eve machines of the, VGA device, and he actually spoke such actually using a VGA device to, to map out for the, the meridian system and, well, you know, what we would call the information human body.

And so he was doing that for, I think, 23 years before, before I met him, but he basically been mapping out the information in the human body field and sort of fuzing ideas from astrophysics, physics, radiomics and, and, and Chinese medicine and I guess, and Eve and then anyway, so I was introduced to him and I, I basically had this idea of creating a home home wellness system simply because I was sick at home, didn't know how to get better. My parents didn't particularly want to drive me to practitioners.

And they were like, you know, the good ones are in London, two hours away from where we lived. And so I just sort of said that to Peter. I was like, well, you know, couldn't we create a home wellness system? But I didn't know how to get anyone better. But Seattle Storm said he did. And so he he sort of looked at us. I mean, we were I was in England. He was in Australia. We we agreed to meet in, in Los Angeles. So we both flew. That was a very big deal for me because I hadn't been on a plane in six years at that point.

We ended up spending ten, ten days together. And he was like, well, I don't know about this kid, but. So I was 26. And but it's like, if there was anything it's like, well, I better get him. Maybe something will happen and they may. Maybe not. But, you know, he he took a he took a chance on us. And I guess I took a chance on him. And, you know, he he ended up, well, what we now call an infant school, which, you know, this one right there. But basically, he would record the healthy information of different organs, different meridians, different, like mind body correlations, improving them into, basically your minerals and it's really like it's sort of a form of radio.

It comes out of, out of radio and it's, it's it's different in the sense that in Radiomics they just take like a, it's more of a homeopathic principle and they're just taking a static, static set of information. But his insight was to, like, make it dynamic and, and come from the positive end. And so it's like, well, you know, this is how a heart is when it's working properly. So he would work out all these different informational and energetic components of how heart would function, when it's functioning properly.

And then he would put all those sets of information into a sequence and then in, in, in print them into the, into that that information is frequencies, right. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And anyway, so he, he gave me some, some, you know, some of the very early in pursuit goals. And, you know, I had, I had these most incredible reactions, like, I had a, I, I, I, you know, I had an MMR vaccine when I was a that when I was a kid. And then we had this antidote, to the damaged seminal vaccine. I it was the foil coming out my arm where it was, coming out or, actually, there was one for the, for for the for the virus.

And if the virus, I go on, I was climbing and I got this little fever for to for 2 to 3 days when I, when I took the suit because, you know, we had this nice little reaction from that. And so because of those experiences, you know, I knew there was something pretty profound going on. And it's not like if you're being sick, the bedridden for years, it's not like you suddenly bounce, bounce back. I mean, it took about a year, year and a half to really recover my health and energy. But basically, you know, as he was working on this, each layer would, you know, would unfold and I would get a bit better and a bit better.

Same time as that, you know, I was like, okay, well, we gonna we can make because he was just doing one on one with individual within the individual patient. And so we ended up like systematizing it into, in into a computer system where we could basically work out which, in the suit, in the suit goes, it's really like a health analysis.

What Bioenergetics Means 9:23

And, you know, we ended up working out how you can look at each organ, each meridian, all of the, all of the mind body, correlations. And then basically with it within a few minutes, you could, you can see those results and it tells you which it tells you which in pursuit goal that, that, that you need. And then you take it and, and that in turn stimulates a healing response. So that that basically was the, the sort of birth story of our next company, which is, 21 years old now. And, he ended up moving to, to the UK.

And, and we built, built that out in UK, Europe for ten years before we moved to the States, like nine years ago. There you go. There's, there's one little story that's that's a long story. Sorry. Regular fever, by the way, in the US called mono. Yeah, yeah. So it's the same thing as Epstein-Barr virus. Yeah. And we know that Epstein-Barr virus can leave all kinds of, long term footprints in the body. Yeah, it's it's nasty, but, it can it can eventually go. I mean, it was a testament to that, but yeah, it's nasty for a lot.

Oh that's fantastic. Well, that's your story, then. I guess the big part of this story is the bioenergetics. So, you've sort of introduced us to bioenergetics. Why don't you dive deeper into what that is? Sure. So, yeah. So it's just stands for the study of of energy in living systems and. Yeah. Well, well, really there's two there's two sort of main principles in one Genesis. One, one is this concept of the, the body back to, you know, the, the body, you know, the, the body has, has energy reserves and the body's always exchanging energy with the environment.

And, you know, the obvious one is food that you eat, food the excrete foods, the slightly less obvious ones, the that you you breathe oxygen, you, there's sunlight and infrared heat going in, or, you know, you can ground and get good electrons from the ground, or, of course, magnetic fields as well. And so, you know, one of the principles of bonds is, is you want to optimize the exchange of energy with your environment so you can recharge, really recharge your body battery if you like, because if you don't have enough energy, it's really, really, really hard to heal.

And in fact, almost, you know, if your body is using up more energy, just sort of living and fighting your, your illness or the stress that you know that you're dealing with each day, it doesn't have any extra energy to, to to, to expend on heating. So that's sort of one principle. The, you know, practitioners and coaches use is like they basically want to help. Will they help their clients get enough energy so they can heal. And then the other really important component is, what we were talking about was emphasis skills and information.

So the body really has really has, you could say has multiple control systems. But the the main control system that most people are familiar with is, is, is basically the chemical control system. And it will all of your cells have, have, have cell receptors for the different molecules. And you know, most at least from a Western thinking point of view, like we, we we think chemistry is totally governing our body. However, there is actually also, you know, you can has different names bio field, body field, energy control system.

You know, I like to call it the energetic control system. And that's because all of your cells, they don't only have receptors for they don't have receptors for the chemicals. They also have receptors for, for fields. And the is basically just pure, pure information like HTML, HTML fields being, being one of them. And and so and so from our point of view, it's like you want to make you want to you want the body's control system to be as efficient as possible. And the reason you want it to be as efficient as possible is because then it's losing it.

Then it's using less energy. If it's using less energy, you have more energy available to heal. And you know, the, the body's own the body's own own heat healing system start, you know, will will will basically get it, get into gear so that, that that's really why we scan people in use in schools. Well, we have another device called On My Health. And then later on this, you know, we've got another wearable that will do something similar. But basically the the idea is you want to you want to be feeding information to the body's energetic control system, just so the body uses energy more efficiently, you know, and it operates more efficiently.

So it's like, you know, it's really it's really nice to principles of how we how we help heal people. And then from a, a practical point of view, it's like we scan them so we can see where the energetic blockages are in that energetic control system. You know, we could we give them emphasis goes to help correct the energy control system. And then the third bit is, is just coat coaching people with better lifestyle habits, stress, stress habits, so that they can optimize how they're exchanging energy, the environment.

So, so they have the energy to heal. That's that's possible. Energetics in a nutshell. I think that's a that's a really good way of explaining it. Let me take an opportunity to say I've always as well, because of my trading in acupuncture and my training in homeopathy and other natural approaches, is I've always conceptualized, the way we are as human beings, essentially from the ground up. It's like a pyramid. The base of the pyramid is chemistry. Well, actually, the base of the pyramid is tissue, right?

So you touch your hand, you feel tissue. But what's the tissue made of? It's made of molecules. So the molecules control the tissue. What controls the molecules? In other words, the chemistry. What controls the chemistry? Physics. Yeah, right. Unseen. Untouched. But it controls everything. Like the rotation of the planet, the sun, and, you know, all the other aspects of the universe that we don't control, but that control us. And what controls physics? So physics controls chemistry. That's also something that most people just do not get, including most.

But I split the physics bit into an energy conservation. So for other information, right, right at the right at the top. And it's information that's governing, directing energy. And obviously, you know, when you have energy and information, you well, you know, another way of looking at it is with, you know, Einstein's equation E equals MC squared is basically saying energy is equivalent to, to matter. I like the subtlety. For me, it's not quite energy. It's information and energy equals matter. And then, you know, there's another great Einstein quote.

The he would say that, you know, the soul, the soul governing. So to say, sorry, the soul governing force. Now, he says the field is the soul governing force of the particle. I like if you apply that to to healing the soul. The I would say the the body field is the soul governing force of, of life, which is, you know, basically what you say the physics in the end controls life and everything. Well, I said physics, but I said, what's above physics though? Quantum physics. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And then what's above quantum physics?

I, I end up with spirit this. Yeah. The other, the other undefinable right now in terms of matter and molecules, all, all molecules and all elements of the universe have spectrographic signatures. That's how we map planets. So what kind of planet is this? What is the structure of this planet? We do a spectrographic analysis of that. Well, we could do spectrographic analysis of the body as well. All the different elements. And in a sense, with the energetic imprinting, what you're doing is you're printing it with a, spectrographic picture of that element.

And then imprinting it into, into a solution that carries waves, carries frequencies. Yeah, I know, and also you couldn't because it's, it's also like raw, raw information. So, you know, if you know, the, I've there's lots for example. So like, the heart produces, you know, this like sort of love dub type type sound or the nervous system, which is alpha, you know, out from those ways, we can record the information of, like a perfectly shaped, heartbeats or nervous system just by feeding that information into the body.

Those are those organs. Then basically start replicating that, that that information, which is, you know, pretty interesting. I mean, it's sort of quite close to thought, like thought and common consciousness, which, you know, it's just another sort of analogy. The body's, you know, the, the body's heat healing system. But yeah, you can directly tap in to the, to the information. Obviously, your, your brain. I mean, you could argue whether it's from your brain or not, but you know, your your body, your body normally is always he is always healing itself.

And, you know, just, providing the information to the rest of the body to, to keep, you know, to, to, to keep it healthy. You know, food unfortunately unfortunately and disease you get you get blocks in that and you get blocks and that information, it gets distorted and people and people get sick. But you can say you can it, you can intervene and provide that positive information back, back to the body in the in in the body. Body responds in a beautiful way. And it's I think we were talking about how you'll see earlier, but it's it's sort of like the opposite of, of homeopathy because in, in homeopathy, it's a more of a whole medic type, you know, type mechanism where you take you're taking a negative, you know, you're basically taking something negative that would cause the symptom.

And then the you're, you're asking the a similar pathology. Yeah. You're asking the body to provide the positive information to overcome it and heat it. And, you know, all thinking is like, well, why don't we bypass the, the sort of the response for and just provide the, the positive information in the first place so that that's the I get that and that's I think that's a critical, distinction.

Positive vs Negative Healing Approaches 20:40

So for example, if you have EBV in your body, the EBV is providing information to the body about itself. You. Yeah. And it's causing the body to try to become more like it. That was the body becomes more like the virus than it does itself. Right. Yeah. And what we do in medicine classically is we attack it with antivirals or antibacterials or anti well anti anything basically. Right. But what we're what you're saying if I'm, I think I'm getting you right here is that you're saying here's the cell in which the EBV is living and EBV is trying to take over that cell to become like itself, if you will.

And what you're saying is that let's make the cell healthier. Exactly. And I know, you know, we have this range of, indices because we call and and it just it trains this the 62 in the which cover, you know, all the broad all the broad viral families. And so just like of like, you know, the so the opposite is of what is a, what is a virus in space. You taking over the DNA and RNA replication machine, you know, making more of itself and, and and damaging the body. Instead we can provide the, the information to the cell to say, well, no, instead of it, well, basically it, it retakes over the, the, so the, the replication mechanism and then just, you know, produces how health, you know, it's a starts producing healthy proteins and the gate basically negates the message from that virus.

And then it ends up, it ends up making the cellular terrain more healthy again. When the cellular train is healthy, basically, the virus will flourish and, you know, it dies and goes and goes away. So, yeah, it's exactly that. That's a positive approach as opposed to an anti or a negative approach. Yeah. And I think you know I've thought about it a long time. And I mean they both they both they both they both work. But I definitely prefer the positive approach that like you know and and that there's there's all arguments that you could do both.

You could do both together or do you know the like only a whole emetic negative thing for a, you know, a few weeks and then go to the positive? I mean, in our company we just go with the positive. We don't worry about it because it gets too complicated. But I, you know, I think in you you could oscillate the two things. Interesting. Well, and I would I would say that the anti approach carries anti risk. Right. So an antibiotic while it may kill the bugs has all kinds of side effects as well. Yeah. Right.

Because it's not only acting on the bug it's also acting and a whole lot of other ways in in that terrain. Yeah. One analogy I guess would be a fort if you got a group of people attacking, you create a stronger fort and it doesn't matter what they do, the fort is not going to collapse. Right, exactly. Well, well, the interesting thing is the whole like so, you know, the pure medicine, antivirals and antibiotics, you know, those that that's not good because they have all these, you know, toxic side effects.

But even in that, even in natural medicine, like most, like most herbal medicine is actually a whole, you know, it's actually all actually works through releases. And so, like Hawthorne is slightly toxic to the heart, but, you know, it strengthens the heart or, so stuff like milk, you know, milk. This little dandelion is just slightly, slightly toxic. So the liver of the liver ends up creating more bile and it ends up cleaning out the liver. So, I don't know, it's sort of fascinating. The natural medicine, you know, mostly works from home thesis.

So that's what I meant by, you know, I think you could you can go in with an approach of, of homelessness and the positive, but but oscillate the two. I mean, doing both at the same time is probably a bit, a bit, I don't know. Might negate each other. But, you know, you could do one for two weeks and another for two weeks. Well, let's not everybody necessarily knows what her reasons is. So why don't you define her? Mrs.. Sure. Who? Mrs.. Is this idea of a little bit of stress is good. Is good for the body and the body response is by strengthening itself.

Versus a lot of stress like, you know, a lot, a lot of, well, like, I don't know if you're going through a divorce or moving house or having having an airplane landing on your head. Yeah. Or an airplane that had, or, you know, you took a very large amount of whatever the substance, you know, was, like, if the toxic load is too much, you don't have enough energy and resources to, to overcome it. So that's bad, but but event but a very, very low dose of something a bit negative, actually. The body the body, as long as you have enough energy.

And that's really the crucial thing. If you have enough energy, the body will strengthen and become more resilient to that, that that's really the key. Because if you're if your energy is low, and especially, you know, if I go back to my case, I was sick for a while, as high as my energy was too low. And I was trying all those herbal things and homeopathy and all these other things, and it didn't work. And, you know, the reason it didn't work is because my energy was too low, actually generate this, this response to the, to the whole nexus.

And that that's why that's why for me, you know, where I was, positive information, the emphasis was work so well because I didn't need I didn't need you didn't I didn't need energy to respond against that. The negative, the the whole nexus. And so I guess that's another little rule that we would have is like when people get stronger and healthier in, you know, introducing whole Nexus then is a is a good thing that, early on in the process, we, we prefer the positive information approach. Yeah. And I think you made a good point, about, sort of more gentle approaches to the body and that the body does take time to repair no matter what we do.

If you break an arm, break a bone, the body will repair it. Given time. Yeah. Normally a broken bone will not repair overnight. Typically. Yeah. And I think as much as we like, we can imagine that we have the ability out of energy overnight. So I read some Russian research with, around this device called a speed or the will speed up like that to speed up bone healing, I think, like 5 or 6 times normal rate. I was curious, what's the PMF? And I assume TMS increases the the repair rate by a lot. Yeah.

Her, are is is again more of an electrical approach. And again, it's a signaling approach. The primary value of PMF therapy, other than the fact that you can design signals and you can design frequencies to also deliver information with those frequencies. But a large part of the basis with which I work is the fact that the magnetic fields pass through the body, stimulate charge in the body. By stimulating charge in the body, you're increasing the amount of energy in the body, and that gives the body more resources with which to how to work.

The PMF is a perfect well, it's a perfect, complement to the information side that we're talking about. But yeah, I would tend to agree with you. They don't really contradict each other because again, it's a in my perspective, it's less about frequency than it is about the energy. And the research in physics says it's the upslope of the curve of the each pulse and the magnetic field that does all the work. The cells that upslope of the curve stimulates the energy production, in other words, induces charge.

And that's called Faraday's law. So most of my work has to do with Faraday's law rather than it has to do with frequency matching and frequency following and entrainment and so on. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why they can't complement. Yeah. So what's s I that's the system that we're describing. So that's the large world of systems. This is basically the system that will scan and you work out which suits goals or which place to use or my health device. And yeah, at least does the analysis. So your process then basically is that you do testing.

So you go to a practitioner and you do a my health evaluation. Right. So scan yes. So you can do, you can just scan with a physical device like a my health. But these days you can also do it through voice free through the internet. So then, yes. And then basically, you know, you just have a zoom call, Skype call with your practitioner, and they can pull up all the results on the screen. Right. Then how does that work? Through voice? Let's you know, you mentioned the quantum world earlier. So we have we have to go down with the quantum rabbit hole.

You know, as another idea. So I like I just, I never really like to call it spooky action at a distance. Right. But, you know, in, in quantum and there's other words saying this, like the holographic holographic universe or, you know, from a spiritual, you know, from a spiritual context. It's consciousness, if you like. But basically every everything is, everything is absolutely interconnected. And you can you can transfer energy and information and remote remotely at a distance. So when I say when I say it's voice, and this comes out of the field as of radiomics and distance ceilings, another way of putting it, but basic but basically when, when we take a voice recording, we, when I say we that we, you know, the universe, global consciousness, quantum whatever words you want to use.

Basically tag tags that to that tags the voice to that person. Like it, it knows it's that person. And then basically in the cloud, in our software, we can, we can scan we can scan that voice inference like across the 440 different, to different different tests and like if there's a strong response. So like, you know, with, with like you, you, you know, you're using EOF and you get this response, well, you can, you can actually do that in a, you can actually do that in a computer lab, you can write a computer program that will ask,

Remote Scanning, Voice Analysis, and Quantum Connection 31:40

you know, is like is is is Harry's body, you know, is is Harry's body a match to this healthy heart, a match this healthy liver? Healthy kidney? And when it's a very strong match, you get, you get this very, you get a strong or strong response, or if it's a weak Mexico weak match. But, I might be overcomplicating it. The base. But basically it's not. It's not technically the voice. We're just using the voice to, to, to remotely connect the scan. The scan in space or quantum orbs. And a quantum. Again, from a quantum perspective, there is no such thing as distance.

Yeah. Right. So even though there's somebody remotely accessing your voice, the other thing that happens to is and we know this because we Sheldrake Rupert Sheldrake has discovered this as well, is that somebody is imagining somebody else at a distance in Australia. Right. You're sitting there working at your desk, and all of a sudden somebody, somebody pops into your head, yo, Uncle Joe pops into and your mind and Knuckle Joe is in Australia, right here in New York City. Yeah. That's the thing you can do through, you can use a photo, you can use voice.

You could you could write their name and date of birth. You know, just from, honestly, from a consumer point of view, it's easier for people just, get all that doing it from my voice. But I say it's a more it's a more complicated answer, the truth. But that's it's more. And when you're doing that analysis, you're also not only are you projecting your voice, you're projecting yourself. Yeah, right. You're projecting more than your your electromagnetic signature in a sense. And, our research, we've actually we've actually found the, the voice for that reason because people put their intention and consciousness, you know, into their voice.

And that actually found is more accurate than the hand scanner, which is being fascinating. And we we didn't know that we would but, you know, after being on the market for a year, our practitioners were basing reports that they've, they, they found the voice side more accurate. And like, we we weren't expecting that, but it's good. There was a paper I just read recently, a physics paper. And I'm not a physicist. So this was a tough sledding for me, but basically said that what happens in current flying in a wire.

So a magnetic field is is made by current fly through a wire. But this physics paper said that molecules the electrons are barely moving in that wire. So we used to think that they're moving in the wire, but they're barely moving in the wire. But the electrons are bumping into each other, and when they bump into each other, they create an electric field, and a magnetic field traveling at the speed of light. Yeah. That's why when you project, we have a thought, we start to have thoughts that you're projecting or start you think of this person that you're connecting to elsewhere on the planet, right?

Then almost instantaneously, there's a connection. Yeah. You know, I know I mean, that's sort of where the future of, you know, healing can go because, I mean, you have. Yeah. Well, it and it's not just the analysis. You can you can treat people remotely too. I mean, we we generally don't because the, you know, most of the world don't necessarily accept that. But, you know, in theory, you kind of like when we do have an I don't know if I've got well, they can go on, on me, but, you know, so, so our practice is what, you know, we'll take we'll take the my health, you know, put it on the treatment.

That's me that's needed for the, for the person. And then they'll you they'll use their mind to project the information that's being emitted from the my health, you know, and they're basically just holding a picture of, that that person in, in their head. And they've got the intention of the healing effect they want. And, you know, so they're using their consciousness to bridge the information from a device. To remote, remotely to the patient. But, yeah, I don't know how many I, I've probably about 30% of our practitioners are doing things like that.

But, you know, we do have we don't generally say as a company, well, you know, that that brings us, I guess, to a point where, we have to say, people who may be listening, they're either open, very open minded to all this and already understand a little bit about homeopathy and radiomics and so on, but I suspect a lot of people will not. And to some extent this is going to be unbelievable. Yeah. And if anybody's read Rupert Sheldrake you can understand how he's proven that. It's unbelievable. But it's very it's real.

So from your perspective then can you give us some examples of, cases other than your own? Yeah. Yeah. So, so I was in 2008, we made this film called The Living Matrix, which ended up the best selling health commission is they basically we, followed, well, so, so, so we interviewed, whatever it was like 6 or 7 different, different scientists and experts in this field alone, along with some practitioners, and then along with some, patients who've been healed through this. I'll give you some examples.

So there was there was this great boy with who had cerebral palsy, he couldn't open his wrists, and he couldn't he couldn't walk properly. And then anyway, so that and then an energy healer, they see vision. What they're really doing is they're basically visualizing them walking again and being healthy. And the hands on curling, they, they visualize this boy, and then this boy, ended up getting off the, actually getting off this massage table on stage and walking off and then was able to uncurl this hand, you know, and I, I would that story came out when I was interviewing the practitioner.

I was like, oh, you know, I don't know if I believe that, but I went and flew out to Greece, met met the family, met the boy, met the, you know, the normal traditional doctor and the school and all that. And anyway, the whole, the whole thing checked out. So it's quite a nice example of, you know, I think, Edgar Edgar Mitchell, who he founded, the student nurse at Sciences and, you know, you see the second astro in space, I think. So he had he had he had a tumor on his kidneys. A different he, name was a different healer.

Basically just remote, remotely visualized his tumor going in his kidneys. And, you know, lo and behold, on the, the scans, anyway, yeah, he he resolved his, his cancer tumor, you know, saying that, those examples you can watch in that film, The Living Matrix. You know, you can hear it from that mouse. Go in on this world, we've seen insane. I mean, I've a fairly insane story, so I was bedroom of C. I'm running a company these days. But, some of the weird. This is a really weird one. I it's so weird.

I don't know if I should say it, but, So there was a there was a boy in Holland, and he had, I don't remember exactly. Anyway, he had he had a. Yeah. He had some sort of disease in his pancreas where he had. So, where he had to have a plastic tube to, in there to sort of replace what the pancreas was doing. And anyway, anyway, he was using in, in, in schools and then every times, every 2 or 3 months, he would have to go back to the hospital to have this, whatever the tubes replaced and the frigging.

Anyway. So a he got completely better, which the hospital could not stand. But this is the weird bit. The two disappeared. So that's just, you know, it's in his body. Yeah. And we filmed that for the Living Matrix. And I didn't put it in the film because it just sounded too unbelievably sound, too unbelievable. And then I never managed to get an interview in the whole school, but, you know, the practitioner and the boy, And that family, did, you know, they they were they all verified it, but I wanted to I wanted the photos in the hospital, and I couldn't get that, but, to put it in the film.

But anyway, you know, I, I've definitely seen some very weird things. And there's, you know, there's stories of, like to go to you. Well, say to go masters, you know, that they'll like, if someone has a tumor, they'll they'll just visualize that person is completely healthy and there being no tumor. And then, so again, these these genes disappear. Not, you know, I've read, seen, interviewed enough and off people, you know, and I've had enough I've had enough experiences with you know, in schools or myself to sort of know so that it's valid.

And, you know, the unfortunate thing is it doesn't work every time. I mean, that would be great. But, you know, it just it the, the, the more well-intended and the sort of the better the consciousness of the practitioner. You know, the more likely it is to. Well, I would call it little more of a try vector like the client patient has to believe that the, you know, the the practitioner has to be sort of in, you know, and sheen in a good consciousness. And then the whatever the therapy is, you know, it should be good to you and I if all if all three line up know most, most of the time you're going to see amazing, amazing results.

But you know if if one of the parties is super skeptical and the, the like, the quantum entanglement part wouldn't work. And so it doesn't happen. But you know, we have so we have to give it time. We do have to, as you said, have a certain level of belief because you're part of that healing process. In other words, we can't heal somebody. You have to have a I think having started getting better, I mean, maybe I left out of my story and I, I, you know, part of I think the story for me, well, obviously I believed in Peter, but then I had this, you know, I had this purpose of life.

I wasn't just trying to heal myself as well. You know, if we create this system, it can help. It can help others. And, you know, a byproduct is I'll. I'll get better on the way. But, you know, I, I do, yeah, I do think in life having, having, having a strong purpose is, is really, really helpful. Lot to seeing without one. You know, why why do you even want to get better? And, you know, if you don't have a reason to get better, it's quite hard to get better. I totally agree with you. Well, you have to accept that there's a possibility for for healing.

You'll probably have to quiet down all the other voices around you that are saying, this is a stupid idea, right? So you have to just believe in yourself and then take the opportunity to have that, an interaction with somebody who has that healing intention as well. But you, you also have you were going to talk about,

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study a study done or research done at UC San Diego. Yeah. That's, ongoing at the moment. So it was a few different things. So we, we met, this fresco, professor Hammel, who's the, he's the vice chair of the college theology department, University of California. And he he got dragged to a Judas spends, event by a friend and, basically, he's the one he's the he's ended up heading off a lot of the sort of, research activities, exactly what we're talking about, like distance healings, for Joe Dispenza.

But anyway, I've had a map that was read to me and it was telling them about him because in this and and he, you know, he very, very kindly offered to, to to do research on them. Now this started in the horrible Covid era. So like all these universities, they were obsessed with Covid research. So the first set of experiments they did, they took one, in fact, one of our energetic trains, it's called ETA, the, you know, has a I'm not going to say cures, but let's just say it has a match to, to correct to coronavirus.

And anyway, so he, he, he basically took, he took long to, how to explain it. Sorry. So in, in the lab, they can grow cultures of, of different organ tissues. So they took they took lung, lung tissue, and then they basically infected the lung tissue with, with Covid. And then they have a way where they can see the level of, an infection and penetration of all whether the lung tissue is, you know, reject rejecting the virus. And then, you know, so then they have the control and then, they have the control tissue and then the other the other tissue is being fed a medium that has, each to school in it.

And, that basically showed a four it was a 40%, increase in rejection of, of infection. They then did it they just had some Aids virus lying around, and they did it with eight with Aids. I don't know why you do Aids in lung tissue, but they did, I think just literally just because they had some in the lab, so that, that, that had a 50% extra rejection rate. Now, because from a company, honestly, there's no way we can't, we can't advertise or make any claims around corona. So, you know, it's interesting.

There's not much commercially we can do about it. So, so anyway, so we've gone down some line of some, some other experiments, and the, the next experiment they did was, neural stem cells. They just wanted to see if we could, increase the growth rate of the neural stem cells and, anyway, in short, they managed to double the growth rate of neural stem cells. You using it? Well, it's a novel remedy that we can see which matrix, but it's basically just enough room for you to go, so that that that's really promising that that one's turning into a paper because.

So we call I don't really want to publish the Covid one. But but we do we do want to publish that one so that that one's on going. And then another one they're looking at is, so basically the cell membrane. How to describe it. So cell membrane integrity. So it's looking at the flexibility or or stiffness of this membrane. And you know, there's there's an optimal level of like flexibility where the cell membrane, you know, doesn't let in the bad stuff. Viruses, toxins. Oh. So it needs to be relatively flexible to, to, you know, to exchange nutrients.

And they've been doing a lot of research with Gulf War, Gulf War syndrome people and basically noticing a lot of I think a lot of veterans had, I think I can't remember which way around. I think it was stiffened. Not only it was different, I think this cell membranes were too, too weak and flexible. And anyway, on a different set of institutions, such as one cell driver that managed to optimize the cell membrane, the cell membrane stiffness and all that separates it. Well, it's really exciting for us because, you know, in this field, in this field, it's like there's a lot of us doing these things and, you know, we're getting the results.

But it's quite difficult to get universities to do fundamental research to prove, you know, to prove to prove out a lot of these concepts. So it. Yeah, it's an exciting time. So we should, we will have free papers coming out this year. You know what? So like, they have to repeat all these experiments and go through, you know, ethics boards and all this stuff to, to get it published. But that's on its way up, and then we're doing a human doing a human trial as well, like, slightly like it's a bit more expensive.

We involved ride boats, which is a horrible bit of, anyway, that's on the, and that's actually because we're doing a trial for, wearable because we're launching this consumer company late later this later this year that will basically provide these, if you like, digital industry to go straight, straight into the body. And so say, well, we've got these initial experiments that are true proving its effect on tissue. So we need to prove this effect on the, on the body as a whole. So that trial is without trial starting in July and, you know, should be complete by September in time for launch in November.

So, yeah. So people, people can look, look out for the launch of that new product. So right now, if people want to get access to testing, want to get access to the info models, how do they do that? It's pretty simple. You just go to that nzx.com. We got like 1500 practitioners around, around the states. And actually in Europe, in Australia as well because yeah, there's a practitioner locator on there. So you can either see them in person or if you wanted to remotely you can just remotely using voice as well.

So nice, nice people are doing if you, if you're really interested in like learning about biology Essex like we also offer like a biology health coaching course which is also on the NHS health.com site. Say is a a or if you just want to experience the wearable, it's too early but that would be actually I don't know when the summer it's coming out, so maybe it's not too early, but that's on energy for life. Dot dot com. But you could just sign up there. So that's energy. And then for not number four, the number for you and number for energy, the number four and helpful.com.

Yeah. We're going to do a bondage essay summit in in November. Also with you will you know be going deeper in a lot of these subjects. Wonderful. And you mentioned the movie, you mentioned The Living Matrix. I think there are several movies worth there. There's several there's several movies by the, the context of bioenergetics, the living Matrix. Yes. The living matrix movie.com. That's the one to watch. There's another called supercharged and it's another called choice for Aligning Purpose. You know, which is a pretty good film, but that, that, say the main energy medicine runs the Living Matrix.

What else? Oh. Books. Yeah. There's a, I mean, on, on Amazon, if you look up our name is a few books we've written, but probably I would say there's an introduction to Barnard. Jess's book, and then there's Decoding the Human Body field is the the under your name, Harry Massey. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Let's, I want to talk about something that you and I discussed a little bit earlier. So we're talking about integrating PMF therapy with energetics bioenergetics. And there's no reason that they can't integrate.

They're doing different things, so they can be very complementary. So one of the, elements that I had seen in the past with, magnetic therapy and I've so I've stands for electro acupuncture according to vol vol. So this is, this is there are devices that are available that people can actually have that kind of ease of testing. So there are lots of practitioners who are doing that. Surprisingly, not more than than you think. But there are so, so this picture that I'm sharing with you shows you a before and after the left one is before and the second one is after.

So there were two patients that were tested with Eve and, and the equipment that does the EAB. They test a lot of channels at the same time. So basically you're doing testing on individual finger points and hand points and so on. So they're called the the eve points of the body. So that's a map of the Eve points. And this is the one on the left is the pre. And it shows you that red is is hyperactive or hyper excitable or inflamed. Green is balanced and yellow which doesn't show up too often. Here is underactive.

So this these individuals happened to be more hyperactive, hyper inflamed. Had more inflammation processes going on in the body. So that's before. And then afterwards you can see what happened is up, up. Most of the Reds cleared out. So the magnetic field therapy then in a sense, in one energetic sense can describe it as shaking the ashes off the embers. So you have the ashes on the embers which are creating the heat as well. But you want to get down to the true heat. What's really causing the heat, in this case, the inflammation.

And so what happens then is that now you have with a map, you basically have a map of the points that are truly hot, as opposed to let's say, noise or disinformation, if you will. And the same thing happened to the second person on the right side. A lot of the reds disappeared with the magnetic field therapy, took the ashes off the embers and revealed the truly underlying, problems in the body. Energetic problems. I think it was also nice about it is it just showed, you know, from, you know, from all sort of theory of like, you know, like the, the body matching theory that you need more energy to heal.

But also you want the, the energetic control system, work to, to be unblocked, I think, I think this shows quite beautifully how, you know, when you're putting more magnetic energy in, in, in, into the body, it's basically helping to restore that and that energetic control system. Maybe a very simple analogy would be, a dog shaking itself, right, to get the dust off its coat. Yeah, right. And to open up, to open up, actually all of the, the hairs and so on. So there's more, more, airflow on the, on the animals coat.

So this then tells us that we have again, one of the possibilities would be whatever energetic work you're doing, you could do magnetic field therapy because it's a different principle.

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Do that. First, shake the ashes off the embers. Clear out. Clear the coat. Clear. Clear the terrain. And then when you do your, and for ceuticals, they're going to be much more effective because they're not being blocked by a lot of other sort of counteraction. Well, it's those two things you want. You want there to be excess energy available, and then you want the right and strong instructions to the body, to the body's control system, so knows how to heal. And yeah, I think that beautifully complementary like that.

Yeah. Because if you increase the energy in the body then the body's got more resources to use the input information that you're giving it to do a better job. So it's going to do better faster. And they should they shouldn't interfere with each other. Frequency based systems could potentially have an issue. But pulsed magnetic field therapy is just a single pulse going one at a time. So it's not likely to interfere with other frequencies. Yeah. It's a beautiful complement. So, anything else you want to leave us with?

I think we. I think we covered everything pretty. Pretty well, maybe the only thing I didn't totally describe, is the. Is the wearable that might be interesting to people. So you so basically, basically the wearable is there to, to detect, correct. Protect protect your energy. Is he is using like TCM pulse analysis to, to look at your energy a mate mainly it's looking at it from a TCM five element, point of view. So it can tell you where, where you are on these different emotional scales. So from like impatience to, to joy, from anxiety to, to faith, from frustration to to decisiveness.

The I, the idea is because because of negative emotions and stress that you burn off a lot, a lot of your energy. And so what we were saying earlier, you know, we we really want to help people to restore their energy. So if you have energy, then you heal. It helps give you insight to where you just waste wasting energy. But, you know, through through negative emotions and then it then it helps. Correct. Correct it through basically these digital literacy skills is directly communicating to you and and just a control system and then the protect your energy part.

We, we sort of invented a, I don't know, a slightly updated, meditation that we're calling an imitation of Spacey, an energetically imprinted meditation, that's basically there to help, help provide wisdom to transform these, like, these negative emotions. These are some of the more positive characteristics, but at the same time, it's imprinting you with the right information for that, for that annotation soon it has more of an impact. And then, you know, and then it helps get you into the parasympathetic system, etc., etc..

And, you know, you can use it as a time to focus your focus, your intention and consciousness on, whatever, whatever you want. I mean, it might be to he might need to heal, it might be to, you know, have better relationships, might be might be a business thing, whatever, whatever it is. So yeah. Anyway, overall, it's a wearable that will detect, correct and protect your energy. And it will be available November, like get everything done in time right. By then that will be directly available to individuals, to the consumer, to the public.

Or would you have to go through the practitioners again? Know that that one's direct. So it's, it's a, it's it's own consumer company outside of the mass world. Yeah. Okay. What will that website be called? Energy for life. Okay. Can they get any more information right now? Can they go to that website now and get information? Yeah, I mean, it. Yeah, it describes what it is. And you, you know, you can sign up for our newsletters and notifications about, arrival dates and times. Yeah. Know. Fantastic.

So energy the number four life.com. Yeah. Fantastic. Well, Harry, thank you very much for, and then the lightning, session. So and the wonderful time together to learn about your own health care industry. All of that. Best. You're one of the best interviews I've, I've had because most people don't understand the subject, so. But it's nice to have a for for discussion while we, I'm in my in my practice, in my life. I've tried to introduce this kind of these concepts, but most people are just not open to it.

They're happy. So the people I, I assume that people who will come and listen to this interview, will be more open to the idea. Now, we can take whatever you're doing no matter what, whether it's pmfs and or supplements and nutrition and lifestyle. You can add those now to a subtle energy approach that will probably get you better, farther and longer. Generally, I would say, yeah, you know, absolutely. And, you know, at the in the end, there's no harm, you know, there's no harm because it's, these basic information.

And for instance, in water. So if if you are a bit skeptical, I'd say, I'd say is were assessed worth trying because, well, see, I know the results, but, yeah, you know, it's not going to it's not going to harm you. It's not like taking some horrible talks. It does, the harm may be that you will get better than you thought you would. Yeah, I know exactly, exactly. Well. And the people around you will say, I don't believe this. I don't believe this. So that doesn't matter, because you better get it right.

You got it. You know. All right, again, thank you so much, Harry. Enjoy the rest of your day. Be well.