Key Genes In Your Mold Illness Treatment Journey – Part 2

Ben Lynch, ND

But for glutathione, to make glutathione, a lot of people said, “Oh. I will just take in some acetylcysteine. I want to touch on this because if you are struggling with mycotoxins, this is a Mycotoxin Summit. N-acetyl cysteine is just one ingredient that you need to make glutathione. You need to understand that you need cysteine, which N-acetyl cysteine provides well. That is the primary compound of glutathione is acetylcysteine, which is true, and research does show that N-acetyl cysteine does raise glutathione levels. However, I believe that individuals who are struggling with mycotoxins and mold illness need straight-up glutathione, and you need to be very careful how much you take. You cannot just take a huge amount. You need to take small amounts more frequently than larger or higher amounts in one dose. I will explain that later. But just understand that N-acetyl cysteine is one compound needed, or cysteine is one compound. You also need glycine, which is heavily associated with methylation as well. Then you need glutamine or glutamate, or something similar, and then you need vitamin B6. Look at my cheat sheet here, and then you need magnesium. Okay, how many people have sufficient magnesium?

Ann Shippy, MD

Very few.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. Then you need to top it all off, ATP. ATP is needed to drive these enzymes to perform and function. But your ATP, your mitochondria, and your exposure to mycotoxins are crap. Your body is going to preferentially utilize ATP in certain areas; it seems important for survival, and you do not get to dictate that, as I need glutathione and your body is pretty smart knowing that you need glutathione. But it also needs ATP to keep your cells alive and pump electrolytes into your cells. That’s 40% of your energy right there. Now you are using how much percentage of your immune system to attack these mycotoxins? I do not know. That needs to be determined.

Ann Shippy, MD

It seems quite a bit like I have a lab where I measure ATP function in Germany. It is pretty disturbing. Yes, I see. A lot of times, there are not sufficient stores.

Ben Lynch, ND

No, it would not be. Just understand that N-acetyl cysteine is not going to be sufficient for most of you listening to this summit, and I do understand. I do find that for a lot of people, using small amounts of glutathione more frequently throughout the day is way more effective than going and getting an IV, a baggie, or whatever it is. If you get a whole bunch of glutathione and you feel great, that is great. Okay. That is great. Do not change it. But do know that glutathione levels, as they increase, can cause back pressure on glutamate because glutamate is needed to make glutathione. I found research and presented this; I think I have it on YouTube about glutathione side effects. I did one with a full script. Too much or too little glutathione will raise glutamate levels. 

The perfect amount of glutathione is the perfect amount of glutamate. Glutamate is excitatory and causes headaches. MSG is glutamate from Chinese restaurants and so on, but also amounts of gluten, excuse me, the common side effects from too much glutathione. Listen up, folks. High symptoms of high glutathione are headaches and irritability—those are the top two. Headaches and irritability. Yes, those two, and it sucks because if you do get headaches and irritability from taking glutathione, you have to understand, Okay, what supports glutamate? That is, lithium orotate, which helps calm glutamate reactions, and then you also have magnesium and vitamin B6, which also support. I need to give myself a lot of glutathione. Anyway, with the forest fires, I am probably going to do it to the point where I get a headache and test this theory.

Ann Shippy, MD

Then take your lithium, B6, and magnesium.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. I teach tests too.

Ann Shippy, MD

I love that we are doing this right now because just hearing your brilliant mind think through the challenge and then how to assess where you are. It is awesome.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. I call it tuning in, and it is. You must understand what is going on in the environment around you and what you are doing about it. What supplements are you taking, and what foods are you putting in? All these are variables that you have to be aware of. Next time you get a symptom or you aggravate it—a preexisting one—and you make it worse, just stop and take 3 seconds. Yes, I took a histamine blocker last night or this morning because I probably lowered my histamine levels too much. So okay, I meant to make a mental note. What should I do about that? This morning, I took some orange juice, so you can mitigate what you did that caused the problem earlier.

Ann Shippy, MD

The orange juice is just for histamine. Yes.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes.  I usually do not drink orange juice; in fact, I just do not drink it because of the histamine. I loved pineapple juice. As kids, we would use it to get Dole canned in metal canisters of Dole, and just where you take the tool, you could make it on both ends, and I would just do that. I would drink the whole thing.

Ann Shippy, MD

Oh, my gosh.

Ben Lynch, ND

I loved it. Then I felt awful after awful. But I had never made the connection until I was 35 or 40 years old. I had chronic nosebleeds when I was a kid. I had eczema as a kid. As an adult, I had difficulty. I had tightness in my chest. I never had asthma, but I have tightness in my chest. I kept asking people, Why do I have tightness in my chest? Why do I have tightness in my chest? Histamine? But yes, I love glutathione. If I go to town, you can get it in capsules, IVs, or liposomal. Patches, lozenges.  Whatever works for you, go for it. But what I was saying earlier is that if an IV works for you for one moment and you get the first one, you feel great. Let us say you go back for another IV a week or two later, or whatever. The doctor has you come back in and you do not feel so good and you have a headache. I am starting to make the connection. Yes, I was more cranky that day. I got into arguments, and what have you done? Then you go in again, and now you have difficulty breathing, you get a bad headache, and you get a rash all over your body. Okay? You have now really pushed these pathways. 

Now remember, it is just the highway. I tried driving my boat and your boat trailer down the other day, but I could not. I had to take a side road. You overwhelmed your blue-down pathway. Genes do not work in isolation. They team up with other genes, and so I will just hold this up here. You can see a myriad of circles all over there. All of our genes are working together in harmony or disharmony. If you put a lot of glutathione in, you are telling a lot of other genes. There is sufficient glutathione; I do not have to make it anymore and remember that the ingredients are cysteine, glycine, and glutamate. You are not utilizing any of those anymore to make glutathione. You have taken it. It is like, Honey. Go to the store and buy me eggs, flour, and sugar. I am going to make some pancakes or some cake. Okay? I came back, and I said, I just bought the cake. Because here it is, we are in a hurry. She said, Oh, great. She goes, Why did you buy the flour, the eggs, and the sugar too? I say, Well, because you want to make a cake, but because you already bought a cake. What are you doing? Now that they are just sitting here.

Ann Shippy, MD

This is a great example of the whole feedback mechanism that is constantly going on.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. So people will say, Well, why would I take glutathione? Now I am going to stop my production of glutathione. Well, yes, you are going to stop the production of glutathione. But that cake is also going to get eaten at some point. Then I will have the ingredients to make another cake. Just because you take glutathione and stop the production of your endogenous glutathione, that is okay. Just know that your body can resume producing it again when it needs it. Do you have it permanently stopped? It is just nuts. It doesn’t happen now if you do it. It can happen if you get IV glutathione multiple times in a row, but here’s what you need to understand about glutathione. Glutathione has its cycle and is pretty intricate, but it is also beautifully simple. I will talk about the beautifully simple part of it: to utilize it well to get rid of hydrogen peroxide, you need selenium. 

For you to use glutathione to get rid of hydrogen peroxide, which mycotoxins produce probably quite a bit of from your immune system reacting to it, you need it to neutralize your peroxide; you need sufficient selenium. If you are not getting sufficient selenium, it does not matter how much glutathione you are getting. IV or otherwise. If you have low selenium, you are not using it. That is one. Now, after you use glutathione, it becomes damaged. You have good glutathione, and you have damaged glutathione. You can buy supplements that already have damaged glutathione in them. The older your glutathione supplement is, the better, especially when it is opened; if it is liposomal, there is more damaged glutathione in there. If you are just taking damaged glutathione, you are going to feel terrible from it. If you are taking high-quality glutathione and it is stable and fresh, you can feel great from it. 

Now, initially, that is true, but we talked about riboflavin, meaning processing serotonin levels and histamine levels, and how important that is. Well, riboflavin is also needed to recycle the damaged glutathione. The cofactor is for the stage of our enzyme, riboflavin. Again, it is cool. I have talked to so many doctors and health professionals of all different types, saying that when they give riboflavin, it is just a game changer. Yes, game. Changer. Yes.  it is. Cheap. When you are taking supplements, people try to get them, unless they are time-released, extended-released, or chewable. Get them in capsules or lozenges, and stay away from tablets when they are taking supplements. I have not been there when they did it in the manufacturing facility, but I am told it sounds like jackhammers; they are just pounding the hell out of all those nutrients, and they are compacting them into our little rock that you swallow with low stomach acid. Usually, if you are struggling with mycotoxins and you cannot break apart that tablet, it does not dissolve properly because I have not done dose dissolution testing. Yes, you can pack a lot more in a tablet because they pound the hell out of it, and you only have to take one tablet versus four capsules, but you are not getting any of the nutrients out of it. Stay away from tablets.

Ann Shippy, MD

I try not to take any supplements in tablets. Yes. Sometimes we have to use medications; that is all that is available. But at least they kind of know what the absorption is going to be and how appropriate that is.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes.

Ann Shippy, MD

I do not trust them. Yes.

Ben Lynch, ND

For tablets and medications, I am confident they undergo dissolution testing. The. The supplement industry is rife with garbage. A lot of companies do not. Some do. But anyway. Riboflavin is extremely important for recycling. My company sells the glutathione by itself, and we also sell it with the cofactors selenium and riboflavin. I am getting to the point: why would I even sell glutathione by itself? 

My reasoning for selling it by itself is that if people are already taking a multivitamin or multimineral, then I do not want them to get excessive amounts of selenium because plenty of it can accumulate as a mineral. I do not want to contribute to that. If you’re letting levels be higher, then that is my reasoning for keeping those SKUs the way I have them. But I just want you to keep in mind that the first visit or the first few times you use glutathione, you feel great, it is helping, or the first few times you are using it, you feel nothing at all. Then you keep trying, and you still feel nothing. Maybe you need to have some selenium on board. Maybe you are deficient. It seems like you should work with your doctor on that and evaluate your diet. Are you eating sodium-containing foods? Are you taking a multivitamin or a multimineral? A lot of people are also on mycotoxins. Their gut is such a mess that they cannot absorb another food restriction and two things, and they cannot tolerate supplements for various reasons, so they’re now deficient in everything. Lozenges of glutathione—we just came out with one—but you can also get a patch, and I have never done patches; patches seem weird. Have you ever used a patch?

Ann Shippy, MD

I have, and yes, I have used a patch, and I think it is. People who have digestive systems are just so intolerant of everything. It is an option. There’s also a rectal suppository available. But I just prefer small amounts of the liposomal to get it down until people can tolerate more. I just feel like we get where we need to go more quickly.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, I agree. I do think the lozenge has more effects. It is interesting. I get more. Effect. I do not know if it is more. But what I get from the lozenge is that it hits fast in the head, and the liposomal does as well.

Ann Shippy, MD

I will be curious to try the lozenge.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, it is cool. It has cofactors in it as well. But the liposomal. I still use and am trying to figure out why I would use a lozenge versus a liposomal, and one thing I can say is that people with mycotoxins illness do have difficulty with fat processing because their gallbladder in their liver is clogged. So if they take a liposomal and they get loose stools from it or they just do not feel good from it, they swallow the fat. If that’s associated with the liposomal, then their gut issues are not going to be good. One workaround that is okay is that we can put the liposome in your mouth. Keep holding it. Just keep holding it. You get the back benefit and then spit it out. That is one route. You are not going to get too far in your gut. Gluten is also a sulfur compound. If you are struggling with loose stools, sulfur makes hydrogen sulfide. Hydrogen sulfide is associated with loose stools and diarrhea. So that altered microbiome is just going to feast on that glutathione, and you are just going to have runs all the time. That is not well; the supplement industry is not allowed to use the term sublingual because it is reserved for the drug industry.

Ann Shippy, MD

I did not know that.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, you can call it a lozenge, but you cannot call it sublingual, and supplements cannot treat or cure any disease. They can only support the healthy function of things. Only drugs do wonders. But with a lozenge, most everything is just dissolving in your mouth, and you are absorbing a lot of it in those tissues. Then your body will get it. then you are bypassing the first-pass metabolism of your gut. Well, you are just bypassing the gut a lot. You are still swallowing it. If you want to swallow a little bit of the solution, you can just spit it out if your guts are bad. Let it dissolve slowly. Don’t take the lozenge, bite it, abide by it, and swallow some people that way. I used to be, and I have learned they just let it dissolve. If you feel your head clearing, that is great. If it is still fuzzy afterward, get some electrolytes. Now, when I say get some electrolytes, most electrolytes are high in sodium. That’s, you can be deficient in that if you are peeing all the time. But the primary thing that people are deficient in, unless you’re on Keto, the primary thing you are deficient in is potassium. 99% of women are deficient in potassium, and 90% of men are deficient in potassium. Why? The men are 10% less deficient. I have no idea. But that is. 

That’s what the research shows. You want to find an electrolyte that is significantly higher in potassium than magnesium than sodium, meaning you feel a lot. Better. I have noticed that with a clear head. Then, with glutathione, the half-life of going to town is 12 minutes. meaning your body is going to utilize 50% of those calories in 12 minutes, and then the remaining 50%—half of that—is going to be used up in 12 minutes. You are going to be burning through that glutathione; the amount is half a life to a zero. Let us just say an hour, so that glutathione IV that you have had will probably get the benefit of an hour, maybe two. If you do not have sufficient selenium, riboflavin, or especially riboflavin to recycle glutathione, you are not going to be as good. If the benefit will last a lot longer. If you have sufficient riboflavin because your body’s going to use that glutathione over the hour, then your body’s going to turn it into damaged glutathione, and it is going to recycle it back with that little reductase enzyme and reduce it back together with the riboflavin. The benefit of that IV without or liposomal without it will last longer than an hour. It can last weeks, unless whatever happens. That is a good test. A cheap one is the GGT. GGT is a great marker for glutathione damage.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes, a great one. I can imagine our listeners are curious about the best way to do some testing to see which pathways they may need to pay the most attention to. Would you like to chat about that for a minute?

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. Again. I want to caution against genetic testing again, and I want to preface it with this. You’re fine-tuning, you are doing optimization, and you can gain awareness very quickly when you do genetic testing. You are, Oh my God. I wish I had known about that 30 years ago when I was drinking pineapple juice. Once I saw what my methylation cycle was, it was clogged up, as was the MTHFR and all that. But what happens most commonly with genetic testing is that people go, That’s why I am sick. I have this genetic variation. That’s why I am sick. How do I fix that genetic variation? I have MTHFR. That’s my problem. No. The problem is that when you are born, you have an MTHFR enzyme that functions slowly. Our enzyme is reduced. In comparison to someone who does not have MTHFR variations, mine is reduced by about 70%. I have 30% of MTHFR enzymes functioning, compared to somebody else’s 100%, so they can exercise harder before I start sweating profusely and getting ringing in my ears. High histamine, red face when you exercise, high histamine. 

When I first started going back to the gym two years ago or something, my first symptom was sweating profusely. The second symptom was ringing in my right ear, always for some reason. Then third. Symptoms are starting to get uncomfortable in the stomach. Then, if you work out too much, you puke. Puking is high in histamine. Now I have gotten to the point. Where. I take a pre-workout. But I am also more fit. I do not get the ringing in the ears anymore. I still sweat, but not as bad. But yes, depending on my workout, it can be pretty bad. You never wanted to guard me in basketball. Those are some of the symptoms. But I just want to be cautious with genetic testing so that you do not blame your symptoms on genes. I just want you to know that they’re weak points, and you need to nurture them more.

Ann Shippy, MD

That’s just, for me, as you are talking about these things, I am also thinking, Oh yes, I got that one. But just to be thinking, all right. 

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, it is.

Ann Shippy, MD

You just need more nurturing.

Ben Lynch, ND

That’s right. They just need more nurturing. then you are also born with genes that are studs. They’re superwomen.  They can just handle a lot. So you are going to have those genes, too. so you celebrate those. It is okay; I do not need to worry about that so much. I can process aldehydes all day long. I can process ammonia all day long. Yes, the carnivore diet that I have been doing is high in ammonia, and I have been doing pretty well, but my wife, on the other hand, is also having carnivore issues, which feels terrible. Her ammonia pathway is pretty clogged. It is, oh. She cannot process ammonia. 

Nobody’s talking about ammonia metabolism in this carnivore movement. I need to talk to Paul about that and see what he says. About it. But yes, so anyway, so genetic test I want to caution you first. as well in the privacy area, because what is happening is that a lot of genetic testing companies are shipping your genetic data whether you want to or not off to China.  23&Me is doing. With Ancestry, I am not sure. But they make big money by selling your data to these other countries. Opt out of research. If you opt out of research, is that enough to have it not go to China? I do not know. Self-decode is a company I with used to compete directly. With that, I had my genetics testing. Chips are available. I stopped doing genetic testing because it was difficult. It is very expensive. Quality control has got to be there. I just could not find a lab I was happy with. We just said, What is this genetic testing and supplement company? It’s two different companies. I just stopped. I like SelfDecodes quite a bit now. I think they do a great job, and they treat your privacy pretty well. Well. From my understanding, I have talked with the owner, Joe, multiple times. Okay.

Ann Shippy, MD

That’s the one I am familiar with. I look forward to finding out more about them.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. He has a big team of, I do not know, he was some employees some time ago, and he is probably even more than that now. You get your genetic testing done, and then you can get your information back. If you have done 23&Me and Ancestry, you probably got the results back. This probably says, oh, yes, early-onset balding or you have a reduced risk of prostate cancer, or if you eat asparagus, your piss smells, and I do not care about any of that. I do not need genetic testing to tell me that if I had asparagus, my pee would smell. I can tell myself, Thank you. You can take that raw data and various reporting tools out there.

Now, reporting your genetics is a very tricky business. There are a myriad of reports out there. I do not like any of them except for SelfDecode, and even SelfDecodes, I am not as happy about it because they do not talk about the pathway approach. I like Selitode because it looks at a lot of different negatives and it gives you a kind of risk for certain things. Risk or risk reduction. I say that because they’re looking at pools of different genes—thousands of different genes. It is just pretty accurate. But I like to know the pathway approach because, with histamine and with glutathione recycling, if I know that my production of glutathione and if I have reduced my ability to produce glutathione, especially in this one gene called GCLC, which I am starting at right now, the wife has a reduced ability to synthesize glutathione from cysteine. Cysteine moves to gamma glutamylcysteine on the GCLC gene, which uses ATP and glutamate in the things that reduce that gene’s function: mold, mycotoxins, and infections. She has reduced ability genetically. Yes, so this GI variant, the GCLC, may reduce the induction of the enzyme by oxygen hydroxide, resulting in lower levels of glutathione. Knowing that is important now, you do not say I cannot take N-acetyl cysteine. 

That’s how people react to this thing. They say I cannot take N-acetyl cysteine because I have this GCLC enzyme. Well, you can take N-acetyl cysteine. If you are not exposed to mycotoxins, then you have no infections. Because it is still functioning. It does not mean it is completely broken; it is still functioning; it is just reducing its ability. But on the flip side of that, oh my God, I have been taking N-acetyl cysteine, and I still have not had any benefit from it. I am going to try glutathione because I have this inability or reduced ability to make it convert N-acetyl cysteine, which I need for making glutathione. I had to try glutathione directly, and I am struggling with mold infections, so that is how I use genetic reports. So strategy is a report that I have personally built and designed with a team of people. It has taken years and years, and I did that, and we were constantly researching, and we were probably coming out with a new histamine, and I would say another month because we were just testing the hell out of it right now.

Ann Shippy, MD

That is exciting.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, it is, and it is just histamine. The current strategy and report that we are selling and offering right now does have histamine, which is great, and I am looking at it now. There are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, and 13. Genes or so in the entire histamine pathway. That’s it. Very easy to understand, and so that is awesome. the primary degradation of histamine. Going down is 1 to 4 genes. It is very easy to understand your histamine pathway. But what the histamine pathway does not cover in strategy are the cytokines and mast cell activation, which we do in the new one, as well as lung response and skin response, and the new histamine report that we were coming out with. So it is going to be a 50-page report just on histamine, whereas this current one is maybe six pages. It is way more in-depth because mast activation is a huge issue.

Ann Shippy, MD

I am so excited to hear that this is coming, and it sounds like the time that this will be airing may be out soon.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, cool.

Ann Shippy, MD

Let the people know where to find it.

Ben Lynch, ND

Okay? Yes. It is seekinghealth.com. We will offer the history report, and I think we were going to call it Dirty Genes. Instead of StrateGene, and I love StrateGene because StrateGene means strategic genetic analysis. You are creating strategies. When you look at your pathways, you can create a strategy for supporting your histamine pathway. You can create a strategy for looking at your histamine pathway. I might keep it that way just because I want you to think strategically when you are making plans and supporting them, and then you move to a different pathway or a different part of the pathway and you make another strategy. When you get your history report or your strategy report, do not think that you have to address: Because this current strategy report is 92 pages long,

Ann Shippy, MD

My goodness, she is so lucky she married you.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. 

Ann Shippy, MD

Your kids are lucky that they have you, too.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, it is and has been. It has been great. We have learned a lot together, and she had horrible mastitis when she was breastfeeding her kids, all three boys. She has a reduced ability to make phosphocholine, and she always got mastitis with the boys. If you supplement with phosphocholine while you are breastfeeding, you do not get mastitis. It is just that.

Ann Shippy, MD

Good for the baby’s brain. Wellbaby’silliant for children.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. Brilliant. I just gave it to her. We had some soccer coaches staying with us. One of them was from Ghana, and his wife was pregnant. I gave them a bunch of supplements, and he took them home for his pregnant wife. I said I wish my wife knew about this faster. I will clean one. I gave it to them, as they keep this bottle for her when she is breastfeeding. Here’s another one. You can have this for her pregnancy. But anyway, yes, it is great. Yes, so genetic testing: Just understand that you are not going to fix everything in a day, so when you get your strategy report, read the first page. Stop. Read the first page. I said, This is not bad news. This is not good news. It is just news. It is not news.

Ann Shippy, MD

It is an opportunity, I think. 

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, it is an opportunity. I love that. Yes. I might even go back there and edit that. Thanks, Ann. This is an opportunity for you. To go behind the scenes, lift the hood. Imagine that I equate this with genetic testing. You’ve been driving your whole life in a vehicle. You have no idea what the make and model are. You have no idea. You never could look before. You could not step outside the car. You could not look at anything. You do not know what type of tires are on there; you cannot tell anything. So you have been driving on a highway your entire life; it is noisy, bumpy, and uncomfortable. Things are just not good. It is slow. Then one day you just step out of the vehicle, and you look, and you get this lifted, muddy monster truck that you have been driving around on the highways this whole time. You’re driving on the wrong road. 

Now that you realize that, I am going to take this off-roading best drive ever. Other people in their Mercedes try to follow you. They cannot. Okay. What? You are a vehicle. You’re moving your body and your brain everywhere on this planet, and you are walking in it in new environmental situations. You’re walking into stressful situations. You’re listening to certain things. You’re so. You need to understand what type of vehicle you have. You can perform the best that you can in whatever environment you are in. If you are in an environment that is not conducive to your genes, then you need to get the hell out of there. Here’s another thing you need to understand. What’s. Your ancestry, Ann?

Ann Shippy, MD

Where are you? Mostly Northern European, mostly German, and Luxembourg, a little bit of Irish.

Ben Lynch, ND

Okay. Yep. Your ancestors lived in that area for hundreds and hundreds of years. Now you are in. Texas. Texas is a little different.

Ann Shippy, MD

Well, and the other thing is, I know my mitochondria type split off in the Swiss Alps. I am way out of my mitochondrial element here.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. I would be curious, if you go on vacation to the Swiss Alps, how would you feel?

Ann Shippy, MD

I think you need to write me a prescription. Okay.

Ben Lynch, ND

Done.

Ann Shippy, MD

I know. I feel great in the mountains. That’s right. That’s my happy place.

Ben Lynch, ND

See?

Ann Shippy, MD

Skiing, mountains. Perfect.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes.  Just think back. Where are my ancestors from? What did they eat? What did they have access to? They did not have access to cell phones, computer screens, and all the stressors that we have now with modern conveniences. I love this stuff that we can do with Zoom. It is awesome. But I am also wearing Blue Blocks. We were doing this because I did not want the blue light to hit my eyes. Just knowing your ancestry is important. Because when you go to those places, you start thriving from the food that you are eating over there, the air, and the environment that you are in. You are putting your vehicle or your genetic vehicle in an area where it originated from. So keep that in mind.

Ann Shippy, MD

There’s something powerful about that. Yes, very powerful. Even down to what? Yes. What’s the climate? What food was available?

Ben Lynch, ND

For sure. That’s where you came from.

Ann Shippy, MD

Adapted to that, which is part of what drove the SNPS. Even as you are talking, the whole situation with sickle cell anemia and malaria comes up, so yes. These polymorphisms are happening for a reason: to adapt to the environment, where things are changing so rapidly. I think that with our food supply, the EMFs and screens, and all of this, we were probably not adapting quite quickly enough.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes.

Ann Shippy, MD

Especially environmental toxins.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, it is. It takes many generations to adapt to a current trigger. Some generations later, the poverty that existed in Ireland developed. What is that gene? It is a term for something that just holds on. But anyway, these are the women.

Ann Shippy, MD

Obesity?

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, yes, but there is a term. I keep forgetting what it is, and the women were pregnant during a time of famine, so I think it is scarcity or something like that.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes, exactly.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. I think it is a scarcity thing. Yes. From the smoke, glad that I got that one neuron to fire.

Ann Shippy, MD

Okay, you are doing great. There are very few people that I know that could even have these conversations, and for you to do it, the smoke is incredible.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, yes, I think we are at 150 air quality right now. Well, these pregnant women were pregnant during a time of famine. When they got food, it was a rare occasion and they were pregnant. The baby’s genes are adapting to that environment epigenetically. Genetically, there are certain variations; you inherit those. That’s done. But the epigenetic tags—this is called translational epigenetics. This is a whole other area, which is amazing. Translational epigenetics can happen at that moment. That’s that. The pregnancy boom is done. These scarcity genes were inherited. These babies that were born during the famine were born when there was no famine anymore. They became obese very easily. Why? Translational epigenetics prepared that baby to survive and thrive in an environment low in food, but there wasn’t much food anymore, so it was good at conserving calories and energy. Now that the baby was living in an adult environment where food was no longer scarce, they became obese.

Ann Shippy, MD

It is quite amazing how our genetics, epigenetics, and all we do help us adapt to the environment. It is fascinating. 

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, it is. It is one generation, and now. I have not talked about it enough because I am still studying it. It is touchy, but in vitro fertilization is something people have access to nowadays. But, with translational epigenetics, you are also potentially passing on infertility to your child; if you are infertile yourself, then you are going to be passing on that infertility via epigenetics to your children.

Ann Shippy, MD

That is why I much prefer helping people make the shifts in their bodies so that they are fertile again rather than doing the IVF.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, and I will just throw this out there because it is important to know that it has nothing to do with mycotoxins b. After all, mycotoxins are associated with every known condition. Other conditions are unknown. If a woman has recurrent miscarriages, let us say you have been exposed to mold. This is very relevant. If you have been exposed to mold or mycotoxins and you have done all these treatments and you have a significant other who is also doing treatments and doing things but not as good as you are because a man just does not listen, he just goes along until you thump him on the head and smack him in the face to take care of his health, I see it all the time. If you get pregnant and you have a miscarriage and you are, the amount of shame and guilt that you have and fear about getting pregnant again is all there. You get pregnant again, you lose a baby again, and you lose. I am talking about losing the baby in the first trimester. , You try again and again. You are, okay? Now you just do not try again anymore. Or go to IVF, or what have you? The first trimester. 

There are multiple reasons for miscarriage. I will say that high histamine is associated with all pregnancy complications. That’s number one. Nausea, vomiting, and pregnancy are also high histamines. Hyperemesis gravidarum, high histamine. If you can take an enzyme while you are pregnant or a histamine probiotic, histamine-degrading probiotics are also helpful. You can take the day or enzyme while you are pregnant to support morning sickness. good. Enzymes that are probiotics that also degrade histamine and do not increase histamine lactobacillus should be fermented. Or. Lactobacillus. Garrick is both increased histamine. However recurrent miscarriages are male chromosomal abnormalities. Because if the man’s chromosomes come in and the female chromosomes come in, they will unite. 

The body is beautifully checking to see if the chromosomes are healthy for both parties and if the woman’s chromosomes are healthy. But the men are not; babies are lost. If the woman’s, and vice versa, babies lose, it takes two to tango; otherwise, the body is going to say that this embryo is enviable There are chromosomal abnormalities. There are only very few chromosomal abnormalities that sustain life. Down’s syndrome is one. But other ones are so severe that you lose your baby. If the man’s sperm is unhealthy, the likelihood of having abnormalities is very high. Men, you two need to take prenatal vitamins, and you need

Ann Shippy, MD

I find you are touching on this because one of my favorite areas of practice is working with men and women. The couple, before they get pregnant, wants to help both of them do well during pregnancy and postpartum, but then they want to have healthier babies.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. Yes. It is because if you have a healthier baby, they are going to go on to spend their entire life being healthier. Because again, according to translation and epigenetics, if your life is unhealthy and your partner’s life is unhealthy, you are going to have an unhealthy baby. If both of you say, What, we were going to dial in for a baby? For a woman, you need more than six months to support the health of a healthy egg, and so on. For the manual, you need 90 days because of sperm production and so on. Is that faster? You can renew those guys quicker manually; they will only be on prenatal for four months. I do not know the duration of the egg. It starts with an egg. Countdown is a great book about how testosterone levels are plummeting. Optimal Manatee Health is the prenatal that I designed for men, and that is what I use, even though I am not trying to have another. Boy or girl, we’re done.

Ann Shippy, MD

Just to get all the things, to get as healthy as possible.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, that is. Zinc is heavily associated with chromosomal abnormalities in men. So zinc deficiencies and huge testosterone deficiencies are huge. Yes. Anyway, that is a whole other tangent, but it is.

Ann Shippy, MD

How many passions about the human body do we have in common? Yes.  The more I talk to you, the more I am, yes.

Ben Lynch, ND

It is all connected. That is why I study the pathway approach because you study the pathway approach of genetics—the methylation cycle, the glutathione cycle—just by knowing those two. Then you can look at the histamine pathway, and then those can spin off hundreds and hundreds of conditions that people are struggling with every single day, or symptoms and science conditions are made up by Pharma, and so on, is to label people to be put on a path of treatment. But those pathways are associated with myriad signs and symptoms in your body. If you understand how to clean up just those few pathways, you are going to be just checking the boxes off quickly, efficiently, and strategically. All of these symptoms of Mycotoxins illness, you can recover from it, especially if you have a strategy behind it and are living proof of that.

Ann Shippy, MD

That is what this is; this is a perfect way to conclude because this is what the message of the summit is: finding the tools to put in your toolbox so that you recover and then have platinum and diamond mining because your whole future changed and the amount of resilience and health that you have

Ben Lynch, ND

 Yes, it is possible. It is what it is; also, look at the illness or whatever issues you are dealing with, it is not that you are not thinking; you watch Ted talk about the Stroke of Genius, When that woman had a stroke in the shower, and she was an

Ann Shippy, MD

Jill Taylor.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes. That was a very cool video. Very interesting. But people talk about cancer and their cancer recovery. The cancer treatment itself was super difficult of course. But I am glad I had cancer because it made me aware of all the toxic things that I was holding on to in my life. Communicating the things that I needed to communicate. I was holding them in. All these things, so it just uses your illness. Or your signs and symptoms to teach you because it is what your body’s telling you. Hey, take care of me. I am giving you a warning sign right now. If you do not listen to that warning sign, I am going to give you a bigger one. If you do not listen to that one, it is going to be even bigger. If you do not listen to that one, well, then I just cannot hear. I will not be here to serve you anymore. I am done. 

You are given incremental warnings your entire life, and these warnings are just saying I am not functioning properly. A dirty gene is a gene that is not functioning optimally. You can clean your genes, and that is what you just do. You take seconds to evaluate what you just did, what you evaluated yesterday or last week, or what you are going to do and say. How am I going to prepare myself and my genes so that I know how they function before I step into this with my kids when they are younger? How do you walk by the donut?  File, easily? The supermarket? I said, Yes, man, I am with you. This looks so good. But I do not. I do not look at the donut. I look at the donut, and I want the donut, but I think about 3 hours from now. How am I going to feel 3 hours from now? Is it worth me eating that? No. Why? Because I am itchy. I am going to get reactive hypoglycemia. I am going to get irritable and cranky and be tired. I am not going to be able to do things with you, and I am just going to feel crap. It is probably in the last 2 to 3 days. Is it worth 5 minutes of enjoyment of that donut? For a myriad of problems. It is now easy to walk by. Think of it. Think ahead. What can happen if you take action now?

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes. That’s it. I think that is a great place to conclude with some just-thought-out thoughts about the future, what you are doing now, and how it is going to end up leading you down the path. I am so grateful for your generosity, your time, your brilliance, and the incredible contributions that you have made by understanding things deeply by digging into the science, putting these pathways together, understanding how they work, and measuring them. All that you have done is quite remarkable.

Ben Lynch, ND

Yes, well, thanks, Ann. I’m happy to share. That is the whole point of doing it right. To get the word out. There to help people out. Thanks for hosting me at the summit, if you are listening, when I wrote Dirty Genes, I had a dedication page on there to dedicate this book to those who implement what they read, and that was all I had, but I changed the dedication because my writer, who helped me with the book, died of dirty genes. It was the last book she ever wrote. I dedicated a book to her. Yes, that was horrible. But so you are listening to the summit, but you have to implement what you are learning from every person who is presenting. Implement.

Ann Shippy, MD

Thank you so much. I am so grateful for you.

Ben Lynch, ND

Take care.