This is Doctor Talks, real talk from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most. Hi, welcome back to the conversation. Today we're talking all about lymph and I have with me the esteemed Kelly Kennedy.

Hi Kelly, welcome. Thank you, Laura, the esteemed Laura. Yes, well, you are and I hold you in very high regard and high esteem and I want our audience to know who you are as we jump into this important conversation.

Kelly, you specialize in bioregulatory medicine and really you're one of my mentors in that field. It's a field that I learned about a couple of years ago and ever since I learned it, I can't unlearn it.

So first and foremost, I want to thank you for being such a huge part of my learning as I've embarked on this functional medicine journey myself. But you also specialize in energy and body work.

You're commonly referred to as the lymph queen. And you teach how this what I would call overlooked body system, overlooked by Western medicine, overlooked by a lot of functional medicine, how it has a huge impact on whole body health.

Now you have a clinic in Pennsylvania, the true wellness center. You also have a podcast flow, lymphatic wisdom, open your heart and optimize wellness.

And, you know, on a personal level, you treat my family as well. So thank you so much for being here to contribute to our beloved audience here. I want them all to know what I learned from you and what my family benefits from you.

So thank you. Well, thank you, Laura. You are, you're a beautiful woman inside and out as is your family and your ability to communicate and spread messages is impressive and impactful.

And I'm so honored to know you and to be a part of this because that is something that I've learned from you of how to get better at that. Cause the messaging is only as important as the people getting the message.

And it's so important to teach people as my mission is to teach people how their body really works and create the bridge between this physical body and how it relates to the world around us and how we can work with it to optimize this beautiful experience of life and getting to know beautiful people and being able to spread magic and wellness instead of illness.

There's a goal. Yeah, that's a huge goal. And I love what you said. You want to teach people how their body really works. So there's a lot of myths about how our body works.

And then there's our body really works. And so we're going to just jump right into this conversation. So what's the significance of the lymphatic system?

Because like I said, it's kind of a forgotten or misunderstood or just overlooked system. And how is it linked to inflammation and chronic disease? And we'll start there.

Yeah, well, I'll try to be succinct in my messaging because I just got off the phone with somebody and I was talking about the fact that, did you know?

And it was somebody who was pre-med and who had a 4.8, over a 4.0 grade point average at a great school and runs her own biotech company. And she's like, well, yeah, I know that because I learned it from you.

And that made my heart sink. because we have three times more lymphatic fluid than we do blood. And yet here's this Vail Victoria of high school, went to college Vail Victoria and opened her own biotech company, working in medicine and literally only learned about the lymph system from her, from me.

And that needs to change because the lymph system, if we have three times more than the blood, there's more of a terrain, more of an environment of that.

It's like looking at your house and going to, well, you have furniture and then you have floor space. Which do you have more of? Well, you definitely have more floor space than you do furniture.

And that's what Western medicine, allopathic medicine, symptom driven solutions are based upon blood work and suppressing blood. And I just never understood that because of how I was trained and what I learned really early on was looking at the environment in which those cells is living in is the most important thing.

And that environment is the lymph and the fascia. So the fascia, I know you have the expert, Deanna Hansen talking about, so I don't have to say a thing about it because she is the best.

We are so excited that she is on your summit as well. So definitely listen to that. But the lymphatics is really the circulatory system that doesn't have a pump.

So it helps us circulate not only our toxicants, but our nutrients, our gases, our oxygen, and there's vessels, but there's also lymph nodes. And most people don't know about lymph nodes until unfortunately they've heard of somebody that has cancer or something like that.

And then, or they say, oh, my tonsils, my kid's tonsils are swollen. My neck has lymph nodes in it, right? Well, we have lymph nodes throughout our whole body.

from our head to our toes. We have between 600 and a thousand of them. And that's incredible, right? First of all, that's quite the range, 600 to 1,000. And we also have lymph glands, the thymus gland, the bone marrow.

That's the two areas of the body that mature white blood cells. So might that have something to do with chronic illness? Perhaps. The white blood cells, you know, the fighter cells, the cops, if you will, that clean up the garbage, the garbage taker odders, that's your white blood cells.

They're matured in your two lymph organs, the thymus and the bone marrow. The spleen is your largest lymphatic organ, which tonifies your blood, which has a lot to do with your white blood cell maturity or your white blood cell activation.

Your pyrus patches in your small intestines creates white blood cells. It's part of your lymphatic system. Your appendix stores probiotics, part of your lymphatic system.

And your tonsils are the gatekeepers to your lymphatic system. These are the glands, but then we have these nodes. And it's at the level of the nodes that when the fluid in the body, which absorbs all of the extracellular matrix in the extracellular matrix, whether it absorbs all the nutrients, all the pathogens, all the toxicants, and this fluid is collected and pumped through these collector vessels, then it goes into the lymph node.

And the lymph node is like this little chamber that's really small like two centimeters or smaller and it's this little chamber the fluid goes in and in the chamber it goes oh what's in you fluid do you have pathogens and what are the pathogens are they allergens are they viruses are they bacteria And based upon what they are or toxicans, then we are going to send out the right cops to go and get those, the right white blood cells.

If it's more of an allergen, we're gonna send a basophil, if it's a eosinophil or different white blood cells for different burdens in the body. And that happens at the lymph nodes.

And then once the lymph nodes are stimulating that and moving into the cardiovascular system, we breathe out more of our toxins than we do anything else.

We pee them out, we poop them out, we sweat them out. But the body doesn't have a pump for this lymph system. So it doesn't move unless we move. And what I'm here to tell you as well is that it gets junked up, it gets clogged up, it gets thick, it gets burdened because, and we'll talk about the things that thicken it and burden it, but it's also because we It gets thick, it gets burned, but we don't move enough and we don't move in unusual ways.

We have repetitive motion versus moving our upper body or moving our arms and opening this area up, which is where 20% of our lymph is in our neck and 50% is in our gut.

We're going to get into talking about how to open it up today too. And I think we can do some demos today. We have some time for that, which will be really, really amazing.

And everyone listening right now, I want you to know that in my programs, when people have obvious need for lymph support, I just send people to Kelly's YouTube channel.

I say go watch or teach you how to do lymph, how to release lymph and do lymph massage because you are the best at it. So we're going to get into that today.

I had this crazy analogy like come up in my head when you said that the lymph is like the floor space and then you've got all this there's you know what is there more of in your body floor space or furniture and I had this crazy thought like Western medicine is just looking at the furniture if you if the furniture is synonymous with the organs they're only focused on the major organs and and honestly they're swapping them out oh this furniture is old let's take it out and give you a new one right instead of solving and we have like organ transplants we have people just taking stuff out like oh you don't need that gallbladder anymore oh you don't need that appendix anymore you don't need your tonsils anymore you don't need your your uterus anymore.

You don't need any of those 58 lymph nodes anymore that were next to the breast that had the tumor. We're going to take 58 of your lymph nodes in your neck and your chest.

Now you have lymphedema and you're going to have to manage that the rest of your life. Yeah, there's a lot of like Yeah, I misguided I'm sorry, my brain was just like, like brewing this analogy when you started that.

So now that we know how I mean, what I've what you've just laid down for everyone is that lymph is literally everywhere in your body. It's more prevalent than circulatory system, you've got more components to the lymph system than any other system in the body.

Like when you think of the cardiovascular system, the pulmonary system, the urinary system. I mean, obviously we have lots and lots of arterials and vessels and lymph is huge in the body.

So… It's in every nerve vessel as well. You find lymph channels in the nerves. So it's literally no matter what symptom you have, there's a lymphatic involvement.

So basically if you aren't addressing lymph, you probably aren't addressing the full spectrum of what you can do to solve the problem. So now can you link kind of the cascade, what I would call the cascade of symptoms to chronic illness.

So I'd like you to link that with lymphatic systems. So people show up, say in my practice with low energy, brain fogginess, skin rashes, digestive symptoms, pain, and then they start collecting, if that doesn't get resolved, they start collecting chronic conditions like thyroid dysregulation, adrenal problems, diabetes, fibromyalgia, pain syndromes, you name it.

And then if that doesn't get addressed, they progress to further cascade of decline into chronic inflammatory disease like cancer, like heart disease, like Alzheimer's, like Parkinson's, like neurodegenerative disorders and so on.

Can you explain to us what is the role of the lymphatic system in that cascade? And I would say that decline from symptom to end stage. That might be the best question I've ever been asked.

So I'm so excited to answer it. Yes. Thank you. The cells and the organs are being signaled to then behave and function. Where are they being signaled from the environment that they're in?

And if that environment in the lymphatic, which is that space between the cells, that is where the body collects the debris. That's where it collects the pathogens, the toxicants that it can't get out, that it can't drain out, that it can't detoxify out.

This started because my gut didn't work that great. Instead of pooping five, seven days a week, twice a day, I started pooping once a day. Then I started a couple of days a week, I don't poop.

Well, I get a couple of headaches. Well, my cycle's not good. This the first sign in your body is a signal from your body trying to tell you that there's something going on and what we have done in society and what we've been trained is to suppress it.

So what the lymph is, it's all connected and it is circulating all the time and we've got to drain out our toxins. That's the body's job. But because of really the modern day living, there's a lot of obstacles to allowing that to drain.

We don't walk as much as we did when we were You know, in more survival mode, we don't, we're not as active. We eat more food. We eat more processed food.

And so that builds up toxicities in the body. And then you take stress into account and that shuts down the. The parasympathetic nervous system and incites the sympathetic nervous system.

And when you're in the fight flight, sympathetic nervous system mode, your lymph isn't draining because your body isn't handling that right then. it's just trying to survive.

And in order to engage the parasympathetic, the rest, the healing, the digesting, we also engage that lymphatic system. So the body's in healing mode when it's draining.

And when it's in healing mode, it drains. So both things are true. We know that. And we know that when the body can drain out the toxicants, there's more space.

When there's less burden in the body, there's less dissonance and misfiring to the cells that are missignaling the cells that are then causing them to behave improperly.

Hormonal dysregulation, what's the biggest hormonal disruptor in the whole body? Metal. Where does metal live in the body? In the lymphatic system. And if it's not in the lymphatic system, then it's hiding in your fascia and it's creating blockades and storing it like the closets in your house or your fascia and your rooms or your lymph.

And if you don't, if you just buy stuff all the time and bring it into your house and you never clean it out, You're gonna be a hoarder and you're not gonna be able to walk through your house.

And the lymph system is that most people are hoarders in their bodies. They're hoarding on to their burdens from, did you know my mom was mean to me when I was seven?

And did you know that I had a diet coke when I was 47? And oh my God, let go of the past and be present with yourself and take a breath and know whatever you did in the past is okay.

and be present right here and let's start pumping our lymph nodes and letting it out and breathing it out because then we'll poop it out and sweat it out and pee it out as well.

But we've got to first understand that this lymph system is holding onto our burden, physical, emotional, and mental, and that's what causes disease. The body's never making a mistake.

The body's always trying to compensate for what it's trying to deal with. And if it's storing the burdens, it has to deal with burdens all the time. If it lets go of the burdens, there's nothing to do.

And now we've got regeneration and ease and expansion instead of degeneration. What are you laughing about? Well, you're just cracking me up. You have such good analogies and you just perfectly illustrated for me the whole reason that I even am putting this entire summit together with all these discussions and conversations.

is because I want people to realize you must solve the root cause. You must solve chronic and hidden infections, parasites, bacteria, fungus. You must solve toxins, metals, environmental toxins, mold toxins.

I mean, we're bringing people on talking about all these topics. You must solve traumas and stress. You have to. And you just literally linked every single one of those things to the lymphatic system.

So that was amazing. So there was a reason I'm called the lymph queen. And there's a reason I got involved with being in the lymph because as I started to study medicine, as we saw, just like you, the chronic clients that have been everywhere, they've been to 10 other doctors, they've done all the protocols, they've tried all the things and they are frustrated and they want to get better.

and I couldn't detoxify them. They would get worse when they detoxified. And I looked at their CRTs, which is a quantitative assessment of the whole body of all the meridians.

And it's the only quantitative assessment I know for the lymph. And it was not 50% of the people, it wasn't 90, it was 100% of the people, including me, who had no symptoms, had jacked up lymph.

And I started to find all the ways to solve their lymph problems. And all of a sudden, when I solved their lymph problems, Their liver works better. Their kidneys works better.

Their sinuses drained better. They didn't have headaches. Their cycles went got better. I'm like, OK, well, I'm not an idiot. I don't need to know all those systems.

If I just know this system, it'll solve all the other problems and I'll look really smart. And that makes me happy. Let's do. Well, what makes me happy about what you just said is when you solve all those things, it heads people off from the decline that I explained just a little bit earlier of symptom to conditions to chronic diseases.

So the work that you're doing is I think of I think of our health on a continuum of a ladder. So you're at the peak when you're at the top of the ladder and then you start going down rung by rung.

And when you get down in the middle of the ladder with autoimmunity and diabetes and thyroid dysregulation, and you want to go back up the ladder to peak potential in your health, lymphatic system, focus on your lymphatics.

So this has been extraordinary already, Kelly. So thank you so much for joining us today for this talk. And really, you know, really unpacking lymphatics for us and how that pertains to the root causes of chronic illness.

And to our audience, I hope you found our conversation insightful and helpful. If you're a Summit purchaser, stay right here because we're about to dive even deeper into this discussion with Kelly and we're going to do a demonstration on how to support yourself and release your own lymph and get it flowing.

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If you're watching this continuation of my talk with Kelly, thank you for being a valuable member of our community. And let's dive right back in. So Kelly, now that we have really explained thoroughly how important lymph is, I think we connected all the dots there.

Let's tell people how to fix their lymph. I mean, let's jump into this. So the floor is yours. Do you want a demo? Do you want to like, what do we want to do?

I think we start with the sequence, the order of things and how it drains. I think that's to understand that the lymph system is a pressure valve relief system.

So there's pressure, we open up a veil that relieves the pressure and then the pressure behind it can move. It only goes in one direction. So you never have to worry about, oh, did I backflow my lymph?

No, it's impossible. And I've heard people teach that. I'm like, I don't know what physiology you're studying, but okay. But you can have backed up lymph.

You can't backflow it, but it can be backed up. That is the distinction people understand. It can be kind of clogged, like it's not moving. Right. Like gelatinous instead of watery.

And it gets thick because of stagnancy, because of sedentary lifestyles and all the things that we talk about. So, but you can't do it wrong. Awesome.

But mostly I would say you're probably going to learn that the touch the pump that we're gonna incite with you is important, but also the order in which it's done is very important because of how it is relieving the system from this pressure of the lymphatics.

So the most important points are always gonna be above our clavicles. Right in this little scooped in area above our, in our neck area is where they're both called turn eyes.

One on the left is called the left, thoracic termini, which just stands for your neck area essentially. And then the right is called your right clavicle duct.

The left one drains 75% of your body. Wow. Drain is 25% of your body. So the left side is really important. Yay. Laura's so smart. That's exactly right.

I have a question. I prefer to sleep on my left side. Does that have anything to do with this? Yeah, it is all related. Yes. We can talk about that at some point, but yes.

OK. So the left side of the body drains 75%. So the right side, let's just start that for a second. The right side is going to drain the right side of my head, my right arm, and my right breast.

Oh, I'm sweating. Okay, so it's going to drain all that area. The left side is going to drain the left side of my head, my left arm, my left breast, and then my entire lower body right in the abdomen.

like right here's my belly button right above my belly button about two or three finger breaths right there there's a little sac it's not called a lymph node we don't know why it's not been given the quality quantifying as a lymph node but it must miss something but it's it's just an empty sac and what it's called the cistern of kylie And the cistern of Kylie drains both legs and the abdomen up to this point just below the sternum.

And that that drains all the way up to this left thoracic and that's your lower body drains. So there's two most important points are here. If there's three points.

It's here in the cisterna. So if I don't have any other lymph points that I have the time to move right now but I have some symptom, because we just learned that no matter what the symptom is stuck in the lymph so go to the length first, and then you have to be so smart just work on your lymph.

I just want you to pump and well I'm going to show you how to do that properly in a minute, but you're going to pump the termini and you're going to pump the cisterna.

You're going to take a breath first, engage that parasympathetic nervous system, then you're just going to gently pump with five or six pumps and the pump is this motion.

It's not you know, if you're going to find an avocado or a peach or, you know, a soft fruit plum that you want to see if it was ripe, you're going to gently see if it's just firm enough and not soft enough.

That's exactly what you want to employ the pressure in your lymph node. It's a little pump and it's not a push down on my muscle. I'm not massaging it.

I'm just gently pumping it and I'm creating like the lymph moves in this wave like pattern. It flows like water. So what you're trying to do is create a wave, create a ripple.

You're you're working. Oh, I've never explained it like that. It's really good. So you want to create a ripple effect. So you're creating like a flow.

Wonder why I call it flow formula. So you're going to create a flow and it's one Two, three, four, five. Now some people are gonna, do I pump this direction or do I pump this direction?

Doesn't matter, just pump that, just pump, okay? Then the cisterna would be the next one. So we're going to go to our belly button. All I'm thinking here is avocado, Laura, avocado, peach.

Like don't hurt that thing. That's right. This is not deep tissue massage. This is not deep tissue. This is gentle. The lymph lives one eighth of a millimeter below our skin.

Oh, it's right there. It's right there. And you don't, if you, if you push it too hard, you're going to be in the muscle and then you're not stimulating the lymphatic flow.

So you just want to create like a little, Like they used to say in Liv, butterfly kisses. And 20 years ago when I started doing lymph, there was too much complex illness to do butterfly kisses.

You needed to work the lymph because you had to work the fascia that's around the lymph a little bit because really that's why I got so involved with fascia because a lot of the lymph node release I teach is really a fascia move for the lymph.

Okay. You got to move the fascia away and Deanna can explain that. Okay. So you've got, you work these termini, then you go to the cisterna, which again, you go to your belly button, put your pink in your belly button.

and then where your two to three fingers lay is approximately where the cisterna is. Anatomy moves and changes, believe it or not, because organs and bones are suspended in your lymph, in your fascia.

It's not- I'm sorry, above belly button or below? Above. Above belly button, below the startup. Right. Exactly. Somewhere in this, yep. Okay. And then pumping right there?

Just gently, like, let's, I'll do it this way. You're going to go one, two, Three upward motion towards the diaphragm toward and I'm all about attention because where we put our attention our energy goes where we send energy blood flows circulation.

So I'm going to attend as I pump that cisterna that the fluid is going to go right up to that left thoracic. You're like imagining it going there. Yep.

And I'm just going up. That's where you're headed. That's where you are. Okay, good. Then I might go back and make sure they stay open and drained. The next area and I have a whole manual.

I teach people how to do this on my website. I go through it in a master class. We have tools to do it. But I'm going to give you the five top areas, which the next two are the next area, that are the most important of all the lymph points.

In my manual class, I teach like 12 points. In my master class, I teach another 10 to 12 points to teach how to work on your liver and your spleen and all these things.

know that the tonsils are the gatekeepers to the lymphatics and everybody wants the brain to drain, right? Question. I know people are thinking, but my tonsils have been removed.

Oh, good question. You have many types of tonsils, not just your appendicular tonsils. You have 20% of your lymph is in your neck. You have a lot of cervical lymph nodes and the body's brilliant and will make workarounds.

Not saying that you don't have a little bit of a deficit if you don't have your tonsils, but it would be like you live on a road and they put a detour up.

they never take you down you can still get home you just have to like go around the detour to get home so you can know the shortcut is you go through grandma's backyard and you don't have to go through the detour so pumping your lymph node is going through grandma's backyard you're if you don't have your tonsils you're gonna probably look at dude because i feel like everybody should move their lymph every day.

This is part of our self-care. This is, I gotta brush my teeth every day, I gotta take a shower every day, and I gotta pump my lymph nodes every day. If I don't have tonsils, I at least wanna pump my lymph nodes twice.

Yeah, I'm tragedy of my… life is my tonsils were removed and I was 21 after a couple of years of massive mold exposures. Looking back now, I understand everything that happened so clearly, but yeah.

Yeah. So that was a bummer, but it's okay. Cause you'll have these work runs. And I will say this, I've had clients that grew back adenoids that were taken out, grew back spleens that were taken out.

I grew tissue where there was no wisdom teeth, because I wasn't- I had to grow some stuff back. That's where I'm putting my intention. I'm going to be pumping up going grow back, grow back.

Exactly. And pump right outside your tonsil tissue. Listen, the body, I'm a scientist. That's exactly how the body works. Go for it. Okay. So the lymphatic tissue outside the tonsils is just like outside your jaw, below your jaw, below your ear.

And it's typically a little tender for people. and now you're again attending as you pump that you're going to pump it so it goes in the direction to go down to the termini to where it drains out.

So I want to drain my tonsils and then all the cervical nodes will drain down to the termini. The termini will drain into the cardiovascular system and I'll poop it out, pee it out, sweat it out, bleed it out, and then I'll pass this around.

Those are the five most important points and I'm telling you if it's a headache, if it's anger, if it's physical, emotional, mental, spiritual stress in the body, pump your lymph and see what's left.

Because the reason the body has symptoms is it has a toxicity attack. It doesn't have an anxiety attack. It doesn't have an headache. It has a toxicity attack and that toxicity is either a pathogen or a toxicant and we got to drain it out.

and we drain it out through our lymph. Then as we start draining, we got to support that liver. Cause then the liver is going to have to catch all the shit that the lymph is starting to move.

So it's okay. And also it's okay. If you've had your gallbladder removed, there's life after gallbladder removal. Like it's okay. Just like there's life after tonsil removal.

Okay. So any other things you want to teach on kind of this manual work on the lymph because I know we have a tool that we want to show. I just want to touch base about do, but Kelly, I don't have lymphatic stagnancy because I don't have lymphedema.

Listen, listen, Linda, if you are waiting for lymphatic stagnancy to turn in lymphedema, you're well down that curve. I call it the disease barrel or the biological division of what you were just talking about.

You're way down. Let's not wait for that. And I'm telling you, if you are at all puffy in this area, fluidy, if you're fluidy in the neck, if you're fluidy under your arms, if you have puffs versus armpits.

Do you hear a beeping noise or is it me? Sorry. There's something beeping. Oh, it's my keto mojo, stupid thing. It's all of a sudden beeping for some reason.

Sorry, total distraction there. Apologize. Then what was I saying, totally armpit puffs. You can also be very fluid filled around the abdomen. and in these incuinal areas and behind your knees.

Wherever we bend is where we have the largest concentration of lymph nodes. People don't often get very fluid filled in their wrists, but the ankles, the elbow or the, yeah, the elbows, the knees, the pelvis area, the abdomen, where we have 50% of them, the neck, the under the arms, and even the like, don't look at my little sweat pit, but if you have this right here- You don't wear toxic deodorant that stops sweating, that's why.

And I had my red light sauna on me that was just like lighten me up it was so hot, but these areas should not be puffy and fluid filled baths lymphatic stagnancy.

And as you move your limbs, you'll see it will look like you got a facelift. I've seen people with, you know, puffs behind their knees, puffs, puffs in their armpits where their armpits just, there should be a, like, it should be like a inverted cup there.

Like it's, it's a- Yes. Shouldn't be filled in. So- Yeah. It doesn't matter your size. You should always have a deep crevice in this limb, in this area.

And this is the area of the body that I find gets the most stagnant is this area up here. Yes. You want to prevent breast cancer? You want to prevent breast cancer?

How about do this twice a day and focus on that more than you focus on mammograms. Well said. Exactly. And everybody wants the brain to drain is what I was going to say.

Everybody wants the brain to drain, but the brain won't drain because not only is it a pressure relief valve system, but we work with gravity. And so the brain won't drain until the neck drains.

The neck won't drain until the majority of the body drains. And the majority of the body won't drain until you drain out all of this. work out at 75 percent, then work on the neck, then work on the head, and then the lymphatics will drain.

Then the central and the peripheral nervous system can work way better because the autonomic nervous system is cleared out and can receive frequencies and send frequencies and amplify frequencies through the lymphatics and from the fascia and from the heart.

And then most of that, all of that goes throughout the rest of the body. without complication, without dissonance, without interruptions, with coherence and health.

This is so enlightening. I literally, I'm thinking, I'm beating myself up for not doing lymph massage as much as I know I should. I mean, I know you, you work with my family.

I know I should be doing this. I'm like, Laura, why aren't you doing this more often? So you see you guys, even people like me can fall off the wagon.

So we gotta recommit and get back to it. Well, and I appreciate your candidness and your, your willingness to share your own journey. But I, you know, in all honesty, lymph is so undervalued as is fascia that I would, I would really, if there's a reason I became the queen, I want it to be every, but I should be the only one talking about lymph.

I want everybody to be talking about lymph. I want everybody to be talking about fascia because when we start to work in the flow, fascia, lymph, oxygen, water, energy, when we start to work with the flow state of the body, when we start to open that up, everything else gets easier and better because we're depending upon her or him, the nervous system to make that happen instead of our minds to figure it all out.

And it goes way better. And even me, like, I mean, not that I don't, I do a ton of lymph, but I'm just saying like, I get to the point where I'm like, is it real?

Like five, six years into this, I was like, is it really just, I feel like I just am a broken record. It's your lymph system. It's your lymph system. Then we would move the lymph and things would improve.

So you're like, okay, yeah, it's the lymph system. And then. you go out to the world and you're like, did I talk about the lymph system enough? And I don't think I did because people are still talking about detox and detox is important, but your detox is only as good as your drainage and your drainage is in your lymphatic system.

Absolutely. And I'm not kidding you that people that go through medical school don't know anything about the lymph system. I'm a massage therapist by training one of my certifications and I thought that was where I was going to get a lot of information about the lymph system.

I'd already been working on the lymph system for 15 years when I went to massage school and it was four pages. That's it. Cardiovascular, 30 pages. Skeletal system, 30 pages.

Endocrine system, 30 pages. Lymph system, four pages. I'm like you can't live without your lymph system for one minute. Why don't we have more than four pages devoted to it and why does nobody know anything about it?

And it's where your immune system is. Like if it's identifying what white blood cells should be launched out to your circulatory system and it's where your white blood cells are created and matured in its glands and its organs, I think it might have something to do with the immune system.

I'm just thinking, it's just a hunch. Maybe. I'm being sarcastic. Yeah, me too. It's really important for us to be in touch literally with our bodies and to touch our bodies and to notice, oh, you know, like how many of you are really doing your own self-press exams?

How many of you have touched your breasts, touched your inguinals, touched your areas of your body? I make everybody touch their bodies. Do you know something discouraging?

The Western medicine system is now not recommending that women do self-breast exam anymore. And they really like towards the end of my conventional career, I don't work in conventional medicine anymore at all.

But I can remember the recommendations for the practitioner to be doing a breast exam during the annual Pap smear and physical. that it was just like, just rely on the mammogram.

We can't find anything with physical palpation or physical exam. And most people can't find anything on their own. So we're doing a way with that, you know, check yourself.

And I think that's a huge disservice. I mean, let's disconnect people from their bodies even more. I'm like holding this. Let's disconnect practitioners from their body, from their patient's bodies even more.

I mean, it's We could go down a rabbit hole, but let's talk about this thing. Rabbit holes. This is the rabbit hole that I'm so you had perfect timing because I was going to say the same thing.

Like I get people to touch their bodies a lot in all sorts of ways. And I was going to ask you to show them the limp flow. Yes, this is this is not what it looks like.

This is for lips. This is a Biosonic Vibe tool called the Flow Vibe that I left mine at the office. So Laura had hers, which is great. And I'm going to show you how to use it.

But those areas that we pumped is the same areas that we hold it. And a lot of people, because it feels like a massage tool, they tend to do this. Don't do that.

Just hold it for five to 10 seconds. then move it five to 10 seconds, then five to 10 seconds, then five to 10 seconds. Okay. I'm going to demonstrate it now.

So, so we're holding it five to 10 seconds, five seconds. And it's, and what I want to say is it's, it's really flexible. So you can see it moves very easily.

So you can get it into the contour of your neck. You can get it into the contour right above your clavicle here. What did you call that space again? It just the subclavicle space.

Yeah, actually super clavicle spaces above the clavicle but it's just that little nook that we need that with your shoulders. Yeah. Yeah. Laura is demonstrating it always remember if you have one side to start with start on the left side because that 75% of your lymph drains there.

Yeah, good job, Laura. So what I'm doing is I'm just holding it, five seconds, hold it, five seconds, hold it, five seconds, and then come up, hold it, five seconds, hold it, and then go to the other side, right?

And then start with the clavicle and then move up to the neck, right? The tonsil area and then down. When they buy a Flow Vibe, there's actually a QR code that shows you how to drain the whole face.

then i want you to apply that same thing to my manual technique that we're going to give your audience of how to pump their their lymph nodes in both a pdf and a little video but you can apply the vibe wherever you apply your hands and you can apply the vibe anywhere you apply your hands but the point is to truly touch your body and i i couldn't agree more like getting people to palpate and feel their body You know, you had mentioned earlier about looking at, oh, that was before we got on recording, but finding something, that was before recording.

Yeah, looking, like I used to do physical exams looking for cancer, and I used to find a lot of melanoma, basal cells, squamous cells, but we were talking about a melanoma story.

Yeah, and the thing is, is how much are you looking at your skin? How much are you touching underneath so that you know when something becomes atypical?

Because what she said, her brilliance of her medical mind was like it's atypical it needs to be researched it needs to be looked at it needs to be investigated and we're not here to freak out about things we're just here to investigate things we know the body can heal all the time but we know we have to pay attention our bodies and we've got to learn what these signals are when it gets a headache when it gets a rash when it gets something it's telling us that it's overwhelmed and it can't juggle anymore and so we're going to move and stimulate those lymph nodes to give it that facilitation of moving out some of that burden.

And then the alleviation will bring up our energy, make us feel better, alleviate the scent. And we go, oh my God, look how brilliant I am. I have this great tool called my hands.

But you first have to touch your body. And then once you're familiar with touching your body, first of all, you're not going to feel things atypical anymore, but you may start to.

You might go, wow, one breast is different than the other. Wow. That's very typical to have a typical thing side to side, but then you'll see them start to balance out as you start to balance out the drainage of the body to the point where literally I look in the mirrors of this day and I'm almost 50 and I swear to goodness, my body is better today than it was when I was 18 with the exception of some of the tonality.

I worked nearly as much as I did with it when I was 18. But the shape, the size, the symmetry is way better today than it was when I was 18. And it's because you work on your fascia, you work on your lymph, you practice what you preach, you get the body work done.

And what I want everyone to know as we wrap up here is that what Kelly is teaching you here today is a compliment to anything you are doing with your current protocols and practitioners.

In fact, layering this in will most likely expedite, speed up your recovery process and your results from what you're doing with your practitioner. The only time I would say that that's not true is that if you're doing chemo, that you don't want to circulate the chemo through your body faster.

And ideally people listen to start doing chemo, but we get it. Sometimes you have to do things to buy time, all that. Nothing is perfect and ideal. Everything's perfect and ideal.

And you think about medications and so forth. So you don't want to take, if you're taking medications, you don't want to, Oh, I'm going to take my medication and I'm going to pump my lamp because you're going to circulate it faster through the body.

So that's the only little caveat to it. Other than that, I 1000% agree. Everybody should be doing their lamp. There's no side effects to it other than it increases your circulation.

You'll poop more, you'll pee more, you'll sweat more. You'll probably bleed more consistently. If you're in menopause, you may have a bleed and that's typical.

So don't be surprised about that. And as you start moving your limb, this is the one side effect to all health. When you get healthier, As you move your lymph, your body's going to regulate more, you're going to be healthier, you're going to be able to compensate better, you're going to sleep better, you're going to notice all sorts of things are improving.

The side effect of an organism being healthy is fertility because its job is procreation. So Kelly Kennedy is here to tell you that I have my own child and I'm very happy about that.

I am not responsible if you get pregnant because all of a sudden your cycle went off because you started to move your lymph and you didn't know when ovulation was and all of a sudden oops you have a pregnancy because it happened a lot in those first couple years and I couldn't figure out what was going on.

I was like all these people getting pregnant and they didn't even know they could get pregnant and it was because we were moving their lymphatic system People that were amenorrheic in their early 30s started moving their lymph, started getting their periods, had another baby.

People in menopause didn't get their full cycles back, but 10 years hadn't had a cycle and all of a sudden had two or three cycles as we're moving their lymph, which is why I am convinced that the prostate as well as the ovaries are part of our lymphatic system.

So we got to move our lymph and it will improve your sex life completely. Whether or not you use the vibe, it really will, I promise you. Because it lightens your burden and it allows you space.

And as women, we need more space in our life. The men are always ready to go, let's be honest. We need more space to be ready to go. And a lot of that is because we're burdened with all of our thoughts and all of our things.

And when we get into the parasympathetic, when we allow our bodies to drain our lymph, all of a sudden we're ready. to have, we have space in our bodies and then we can be connected to another person and that connection to another person actually heals.

I don't know how it turned into a sex conversation, Laura, but- Well, I don't know. It's fine. It's what needed to happen and somebody needed to hear it who's listening right now.

So Kelly, this has been a wonderful talk. Thank you for pouring out all of your wisdom, for sharing, for demonstrating, and for giving our audience. So definitely look for Kelly's guide.

Can you tell our audience where to find you? Because you do work with people in a physical location. You have online offerings. People can get the flow vibe from you and a masterclass on how to use it.

I mean, you've got all kinds of resources. So where do we find you? So thank you. So they can go to our website, the true wellness global, I'm sorry, the true wellness center, the true on the center.com is the website.

Instagram is true wellness global. And a lot of that stuff is available in our LinkedIn tree, as well as on our website, on the learn tab. And then I have the podcast, the flow.

So we are in Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia. If anybody is Looking for some deep body work and to truly not painful just truly experience the energy inside your body in a visceral way that's and deal with your emotions that's what we do and we're.

looking forward to loving on each one of you as we do it, including Laura. At the time of the filming of this video, we are gonna be in Pennsylvania seeing you in about two months.

And I'm pretty excited about that. So can't wait to get in your hands. And it's like a full immersive experience. So when somebody comes to you, I mean, it's multiple days of body work, multiple hours a day of really, and that's how you really get people results because you do so much work.

It's not just, oh, we're just going to give you an hour lymph massage and you're done. You don't travel all the way to Kelly tip for an hour worth of work.

You, you get. Come a pack and cause I don't give a lot of lunch breaks either. Cause I only have you for four days and an immersion. And I got it. Yeah, you're in there from nine to at least five or noon to eight on Thursdays and it is one thing after another.

We call it sleeping around your wellness. You just go from one room to the other, getting more and more parasympathetic and dumping more and more of your emotions and more and more of your burden and you feel lighter and lighter and transformed truly.

I mean, we've been doing this long enough and I feel confident to say that we can help somebody transform in four days time significantly. Not that it's all done, but that they're different and when they leave, They're body different and they're draining better.

And now, as you said, all the other protocols, all the other things they employ are working better because they're on a system, working in a system that's turned on in the parasympathetic mode so it can heal.

Yeah, I can't wait. Follow up to this interview. Thank you all for sticking with us and being a part of her summit and sharing the summit because I agree that what Laura has done and what she always does is she's so good at putting the right piece of the puzzle together so that it makes it easy for you to navigate where to go next.

And she's got such a beautiful tribe and community of people. And I just, I know so many of the people that are speaking on this and I'm so happy for you all to be able to experience all their wisdom and all their guidance for you to help you through your own case.

We do have an amazing lineup of people to support. And our tribes, our audiences, our communities, and our friends overlap. And so thank you, Kelly, for coming in and supporting this.

And thank you for the laughs. And thank you for the wisdom and all of it. And until next time, everyone, take good care. Bye now. Thank you for tuning in to Doctor Talks.

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Your Lymphatic System: The Key to Healing From Infections and Toxins

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Kelly Kennedy

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