Learn The F.L.O.W.E. Method For Regulation & Healing

Ann Shippy, MD

Welcome to another episode of Mold, Mycotoxin, and Chronic Illness Summit. I’m your host, Dr. Ann Shippy, and today we get to talk with Kelly Kennedy. She’s known as the Queen of Lymph, or the Lymph Queen, or even a mucusologist. She brings together these areas of regulation: the lymphatic system and the fascia system, which she doesn’t care about nearly enough. And she helps people tap into their innate intelligence and their ability to heal. I love her. She’s just such a bright light on the planet. She’s just so beautiful about sharing her knowledge and helping people to heal. Thank you for joining us.

Kelly Kennedy

Thank you so much, Dr. Ann. I am so honored and thrilled to be here and speaking to your community about this. As you said, it’s not talked about nearly enough. We need to uncover that so that people can truly heal and recover from whatever chronic crap they have going on. There is an easy way out.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes, and I think everyone needs to know about this to prevent it because, in the world that we’re living in today, we’re all being bombarded by environmental toxins and putting this extra load on our invisible systems. This is important to stay well if you’re well and optimize your health. But it is just one of those things that has to be harnessed and healed from chronic illness. I’d love it if you shared anything more about your background that you’d like the audience to know.

Kelly Kennedy

Sure. Based on what you just said, I just want to share and add that I’m a biologist. I grew up in the Southern Tier Finger Lakes of New York. I grew up near and around farms and wanted to be a doctor because my father had Hodgkin’s disease and cancer. I thought, Oh, if I become a doctor, I’ll figure it out. But really, I grew up on farms with animals and was grounded in rational science. Then I was in this horrible car accident my first year at Cornell. My father had a couple of strokes that same year; he died at 55, and I found myself on six medications to manage pain, allergies, asthma, and acne. 

I just kind of pulled my head out of the sand and was like, maybe just standard allopathic medicine. Maybe they don’t have it figured out because my father had cancer seven times and is dead at 55 after having chemo and radiation. Hey, they saved his life. I’m not saying they haven’t said his life multiple times, but it was no quality of life. Then here I was at 20, managing pain on six medications. Again, no quality of life and going. This is not how this is supposed to go. I continued to search. I went to a neurologist, an orthopedic specialist, a Reiki specialist, and emotional healers. In the nineties, you can find as much of that as you can today. But I kept searching because I knew in my heart that everything I was seeing and hearing from the Western medical community did not resonate with me and that my body was just broken from this point forward.

Ann Shippy, MD

Yes, it wasn’t helping you. You sound so similar to me that I had to figure out what was wrong with me too and how to get better and change careers. I’m totally with you that there are so many times when allopathic medicine saves lives. But I think probably most of the people listening to this interview have felt like it’s let them down, too, and couldn’t quite hear them either.

Kelly Kennedy

Yes, it’s a bit of a broken system, both for chronic illness and chronic pain. I was dealing with this from my family’s perspective with chronic illness, wanting to prevent chronic illness in my life. Now, I was told at 20 as a collegiate rower that I was going to live in chronic pain the rest of my life and to manage it. I was like, This just doesn’t feel right. This isn’t connecting with what I know somehow in my heart to be true: that we’re meant to be these unlimited, amazing humans who have abundance and prosperity. I continued to search until I found the vibrational energy of what we now know as coherence medicine, or as we know it, bioregulatory medicine. This man did some energetic work on me using the vibrational emotional release technique, and, honest to God, my pain went away. I wanted to know how he did it, and he was like, “It was energy.” Cool.” I was like, “What? “It’s like, I go, “How do you keep it? “He says, “BP.” I’m like, “Now I’m really confused.” But I continue to hang out with him and study with all his colleagues. I ended up in this group in Europe that studied bio-regulatory terrain medicine and started to look at the fact that the cells are in a terrain, that the blood is only part of the body, that the bones are only part of the body, that there’s this whole other space around the cells, that the bones are floating in lymph and fascia.

I started to learn about the lymph in the fascia. I was like, “Wait a second, why are we talking more about this? “Because that is the train. I make up words. The word was recently called analogize. I analogize a lot. I make analogies. If you think about the house that you live in and you have furniture in it and then you have floor space, take all the furniture in your house and move it to one section; that’s your blood. The rest of your body, the rest of your house is your lymph in your fascia. Which do you have more of, floor space or furniture? When people talk about their blood and their blood labs, while that is key and important information, it’s the last thing that’s going to change. Whereas the more subtle energy body of the fascia, the lymph, and the regulation of the body, the autonomic nervous system, the sympathetic, which is the fight-flight, and the parasympathetic, which is the digest, healing, and allow the body to be in that space of getting rid of the trash, is how our body is designed to deal with mold, bacteria, viruses, and fungi.

We are mostly mold. We’re non-pathogenic molds, viruses, and bacteria. We’re an ecosystem. Our ecosystem, in its non-pathogenic form, is ever-changing and evolving depending on the environment it lives in. If I live in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, where there are a lot of moldy houses, if I live in a basement with running water mold for a week, it might not bother me. If I live there for seven years, it’s probably going to catch up with me because dose makes poison. But my body, if I have good drainage, will take in that mold and get rid of it. If I don’t have good drainage, it will bring it in, and it’ll get stuck. Maybe then it comes in and starts moving, but then it gets stuck because my liver doesn’t work great. As what’s moving through my lymph starts to get addressed by the liver, which now has to detoxify it and get it out, if that doesn’t work ideally, then we have issues. I always look at the biggest thing in the body that we can work on because I don’t want to work on the little things. I want to work on the big thing, make the biggest impact on the body, and allow the body to do the work. In looking at the fascia and lymph, that’s where we came up with the flow formula. Because we open up the fascia, we get the lymph pumping, which is your drainage. We’ll talk more about the filter so that you get oxygen everywhere because oxygen takes care of the mold, the mycotoxins, and the biofilm, and all that oxygen wins. Water is what we’re 99% molecularly made of.

Water is going to move it out as long as it moves. Water is the lymph for the body, really, and the water needs to be structured and coherent. It holds proper information, and it can get rid of any decent information, like pathogenic mold. Then our body has energy. How do we get energy? By breathing in oxygen and allowing the water to circulate everywhere, it needs to go through the superhighway, and the fascia is amplified by the lip. It’s a very simple formula, and it gives people the opportunity to know where to start, where to go, how to get there, and how to keep staying there as you continue to unwind your case so that you can drain out your toxins. Then, as the doctor said, stop putting the toxins in your body because we’re living in a soup of them. This is what I was going to say. I’ve kind of gotten to the point where, as a biologist, I feel like our job right now as organisms on the planet is to make sure the toxins are moving out faster than they’re coming at us.

Ann Shippy, MD

That’s exactly right. I think this is one of the pieces that’s most missing in all the different trainings on how to detox. Let’s go back just a second for those who aren’t familiar with what the lymphatic system is and what the fascia system is because they’re probably people who have a vague idea of what the concept is. But I’d love for you to explain in a little bit more detail what it means.

Kelly Kennedy

Absolutely. If you’re not a meat eater, I apologize if this grosses you out, but if you’ve ever eaten meat and you ever have chicken and you lift the chicken skin or the turkey and you see that like cellophane stuff under the skin, that is your fascia, and it is a wrap under our skin. It is around every organ. It’s around every joint. It is this collagen fiber. Everybody eats. A lot of people know about collagen. It’s this network of living tissue that changes and morphs. I’m sure Dr. Ann could attest to the fact that when she was in medical school, it was the thing they threw out when they were going through anatomy and physiology.

Ann Shippy, MD

It was kind of a hassle because you had to get the fascia off to be able to find the nerves, the blood vessels, and all the things we got tested on. We didn’t get tested on the fascia. The fascia was skipped, unfortunately, because then you forget how important it is. But the thing that is so amazing about it is that it’s really how every piece of the body interconnects; it’s like a highway through the body. Your big toe connects through the facial system up to the top of your scalp. It’s part of, and I think it’s a really important part of, the information system in the body. We cannot just throw it out, and what I find with patients is that the more the fascia gets sticky and doesn’t move like everything should, the smoother it is, just like a lubricated, flowy system. But then we start to see, like, if you get a little bruise, maybe the fascia scars down where you’ve had an injury, or you get things like frozen shoulders. It’s something you can tell when there’s been inflammation in the body in that fascia. It gets what I call stick ’em.

Kelly Kennedy

Yes, sticky. It’s an old video, but it’s a great one that Gil Hedley did. He’s an anonymous person who did the fuzz speech. It’s like 25 years old, but it’s fabulous. First of all, it’s anatomy. It’s a cadaver. It’s a dead body. But I want to go to number two for work as well. But what Gil Hadley did was get us to study the fascia non-living on cadavers, see how connected it was, and start to realize that if we don’t move, our fascia gets cranky and old, and it gets rusty. To keep it hydrated is movement, and movement keeps it. They build on each other. You got to be hydrating; you got to move. Those two things have to happen for things to continue to flow. But then there was a gentleman by the name of Jean Guimberteau; he’s French; he’s a hand surgeon; he did a video; he has a great book called The Architecture of the Living Matrix; and there’s a Strolling under the Skin on YouTube, which I highly recommend for people to watch as well. Those two videos will take you less than 10 minutes, and you’ll understand the fascia and the network. If you think about pantyhose, there’s this interconnected web that’s holding structure.

Ann Shippy, MD

That’s a great analogy. I love that. Sorry, guys. If you haven’t noticed that, you can imagine.

Kelly Kennedy

They’re not the greatest, and they will limit your posture and your lymphatic system for sure. But they hold the structure. If you get a snag in the pants, then if you imagine the information traveling down those panels, all of a sudden it’s going to get stuck because that’s a pass. It’s catharsis. Scars are a blockade to the nervous system, healing of the fascia, and overuse. For example, when I was in college, I was a rower, and I created a carpal tunnel from overuse. I think there were other contributing factors as well, but that’s another story. But by just overusing that, I created a situation where the body was creating inflammation because it was essentially trying to stabilize that. When I broke my leg and my arm years ago, they put a cast on them. Well, a cast is a natural fascial adhesion.

Now, how did those bones heal? I didn’t heal them; my body did it all by itself. By casting it, the fascia creates a natural cast in the body to stabilize and immobilize things until they’re unnecessary. But then, when it’s unnecessary, it’s hard for the body to break up that fascial adhesion. Scars on the body will create these impasses into blockades. I’m waiting for science to prove me wrong. I don’t think it’s true that scars continue to create sympathetic nervous systems. Fiber will continue to grow for the rest of your life because I have a 12-inch scar on my head that I’ve watched change, grow, and disappear in different areas. I had a huge keloid that’s almost gone because I’ve treated it. I think there’s a lot about my body. We don’t yet.

Ann Shippy, MD

I am with you, and I would say, based on everything that I’ve seen, that’s not true. I think just about everything can heal now.

Kelly Kennedy

Agree, especially what we do when we’re at our front on our weekends. Yes. The fascia is the antenna. It is the frequency fabric where the information of life and water, all of which is energy, is received from our antenna as our fascia. Then it’s magnified or amplitude through the lymph. The lymph is supposed to be like water. Not gel-like, but like water. We know from General Pollock’s Worth that there are four phases of water. I would contend that there’s a fifth phase of water with some of the work that I’ve done. But what you’ll know is that when water structures, it holds information better. 

When our fascia is open as a good antenna and the lymph inside our body is moving like fluid and it’s not stuck anywhere, it can open its structure to sacred geometry, and then it can receive information from the field around us and the ecosystem around us. We want to make sure that the environment inside our body and the environment around us isn’t given to us, like WiFi, beds, fluorescent lighting, or whatever news category you want to watch. So, start watching; it will be easier. Whatever the input is, am I going to be drinking tap water? Or am I going to accept whatever experience I’m surrounding myself with? It filters out number one and number two; can I receive it, hold on to what I need, and let go of what I don’t need?

Ann Shippy, MD

It’s part of the information system in the body to probably even change gene expression and know what to do. Like, is the tiger in the room? We have a bunch of smoke right now, so I’m sure people’s bodies are like, “Oh, is there a fire coming? Do we need to gather our things and move? “It’s part of that. Do I take action? Is there something wrong with my perception? It’s really powerful.

Kelly Kennedy

We’ve known from science that the reaction of our neurotransmitters is much slower than the fascia network. That is your sympathetic nervous system fibers that are receiving information like, Why did you catch the ball? You weren’t even thinking about it, and your body responded because your fascia was responding. Especially those of us moms who have kids who know they’re putting their finger on something that they shouldn’t be. All of a sudden, time and space did not exist there before you even knew how you did it. You don’t know how you jumped that high. You don’t know how you lifted that. You don’t know how you did that because your nervous system wasn’t in charge. 

Your fascia network was your energy, and your unlimited information was in charge. Then inside that is the lymph system, which is our filter. Our job is to either buy a filter or be a filter. Like all of life, we’re supposed to filter. Many of you have air filters and water filters, but when do you change the filters in your body? When have you gotten rid of the toxicants, the pathogens, and the emotional components, that account for 90% of all illnesses in the body? The fascia is our shock absorber both emotionally and physically, and it stores a lot of the trauma and pathogens as well. I analogize the fascia to the closets in your house, and then the lymph is your main living quarters. The majority of your house is lymph. You have three times more lymphatic fluid in your body than you do blood. Why are we not talking about the lymph?

Ann Shippy, MD

Wouldn’t it be nice if we had better ways to measure what’s going on in the lymph? We don’t have a live analysis.

Kelly Kennedy

Dr. Ann, the only thing that I’ve ever seen that quantitatively assesses it is contact regulation thermography, which is a temperature test that takes 128 points of temperature. You cool off, you take them again, and they have nine points of lymphatic measurement on them, which is why I became the lymph queen. I started doing that test 20 years ago and started to see it wasn’t 90% of the clients, it was 100% of the clients who had jacked up lymph, and most of them were doing detox, and they had chronic illness, chronic pain, chronic disease, and couldn’t detox. We started getting them to drain and work their lymph and quantitatively assess what tools were working and what manual techniques were working to make a scientifically significant shift in the lymph, not just clinically but quantitatively. 

That’s how I got into all this lymph and fascia, realizing that this is the terrain and that this is the environment. You want to work on your environment; you have to work on your fascia and your lymph, and in there, you store your emotions, your traumas, and your pathogens. Get ready to let it come out and express it, and be okay with it, whether that’s parasites that you’re pooping or tears that you’re crying. All of the expressed or joyful laughter could be all of these things. Probably all the things. That is the rainbow of life. That is a true expression, true healing, and true Zen: being able to compensate properly for what we’re up against.

Ann Shippy, MD

This is a great segway to explain what people can do for their fascia and their lymph, and whatever order you’d like to go in next. Because it’s really powerful.

Kelly Kennedy

I want to. Can we just go over the lymph a little bit so they understand what goes through? It’s very interesting how the lymph drains because above our clavicle, we have these two endpoints. We call them the termini. On the right side, it drains only 25% of our body on the right, and 75% of our lymph drains on our left. We have between 601,000 lymph nodes in our whole body. I love orchids. If you think about orchids and stems, the orchids, are the lymph nodes, and the stems are the vessels that go between the whole body. Dr. Ann and I are similar in height, size, similar shape. She might have 600 lymph nodes, I might have a thousand, or vice versa. I think this is a pretty big range. So if you get a couple of lymph nodes out, it’s not the end of the world. What I’m going to tell you, Number one, so take a breath, it’s okay. Number two is you also have lymph organs. The lymph organs are the tonsils, thymus gland, and bone marrow. By the way, the thymus and the bone marrow are where we mature our white blood cells, right, Dr. Ann? 

Ann Shippy, MD

That’s correct. 

Kelly Kennedy

Then the spleen is our largest lymphatic organ, and that helps not only to unify the red blood but also to mature the white blood cells. Then you have the small intestines, which also help with white blood cell creation, which is also part of the lymphatic system. The appendix, which is part of your lymphatic system, stores probiotics. We know that we have lymphatics in our head, and they determine that we have GALT, the gall-associated lymphatic tissue in the gut, and then we have MALT, which is mucosa-associated lymphatic tissue. And you know what I say? It’s all lymph. I don’t care what you want to call it. It’s all one system of circulation, part of our circulatory system that pumps into the cardiovascular system. How does it pump when we move? That’s how it pumps. We move; it moves; we don’t move. It doesn’t move much like emotions. We don’t move our emotions.

Ann Shippy, MD

You have the best analogies. I love this. It’s great.

Kelly Kennedy

Now with the lymph and knowing how it moves, We have to first open up the lymph moves on a pressure gradient, so we have to get rid of the endpoints first. We had to unstick the endpoint. We start with pumping our lymph here. Then, as we go, most of the lymph nodes are concentrated in the areas that we bend. Shoulders, elbows, wrists, and neck: 20% of our lymph is in our neck, and 50% is in our gut. That’s 70% of the 30% spread throughout the body, mostly concentrated at the nodes in our joint areas and our bendy areas. At the level when the fluid that’s in the spaces between ourselves is collected into the collecting tubes, which then pump as we move down to the lymph node, all of the fluid in the body goes through a lymph node before it dumps into the cardiovascular system. 

At the level of the lymph node is where the body identifies the pathogen, a microtoxicant called mycotoxin. What is this toxicant that I’ve got to now send out this white blood cell to dOh, that’s so true. I think that’s part of why we see some women, when they’re perimenopausal or menopausal, start to gain weight and feel worse because they’re not losing a bunch of the toxins through their menstrual cycle. eal with that proper invader. I have the right antigen. I have the proper invader. Now we’ve got a match, and now we can get it out as long as the alimentary organs we’re pooping, we’re peeing, we’re sweating, and we’re breathing more toxins out than we do the other. And I would also contend that we bleed out toxicants and that the ovaries and the prostate are part of our lymph system, which I firmly believe.

Ann Shippy, MD

Oh, that’s so true. I think that’s part of why we see some women, when they’re perimenopausal or menopausal, start to gain weight and feel worse because they’re not losing a bunch of the toxins through their menstrual cycle.

Kelly Kennedy

100%. The only symptom of menstruation should be bleeding, and the sign of menopause is that I stopped bleeding. If you have any other symptoms than that, it’s an illness.

Ann Shippy, MD

Exactly.

Kelly Kennedy

As we’re moving, as we know this about the lymph, there are the three main areas that I always say if you don’t drain anything else, drain your termini and then your cisterna. Your cisterna lays about to wear my necklace. If you put your pinky in your belly button and, with your right hand, lay your fingers there, your cisterna chyli, which is an empty sack that lives in the abdomen, helps drain the lower body up to the cisterna, then from the cisterna drains up to the left thoracic. So, go to my website and watch that for free. But if you can’t do anything else, let’s say you can’t move your arms. Take your breath. When you breathe not through your chest but through your rib cage and you widen your rib cage, and then your rib cage compresses, you’re going to pump that node, and your lungs are going to increase, and you’re going to decrease. You’re going to pump these. When you set up the lymph movement, what we’re going to teach you is how to manually stimulate your nodes or how to dry brush your body so that it functions with your body and in a sequence that’s going to allow the drainage to properly happen so that you’re not just moving the dust around; you’re getting the dust-out.

First, you had to open the windows. Right here, we use these two fingers, and you just manually pump. This is a squeeze. I’m not looking at the muscle. I’m looking at a gentle pump. If I were going to go find mangoes, avocados, or peach to see if it’s ripe, I’d gently squeeze it to see if it’s that little firm. But I’m going to punch it so hard that I punch a hole through it. Much like your lymph. You’re just taking a breath first, getting into the B state, and then gently addressing your nodes. Just one, two, three, four, or five pumps slowly. You cannot pump your lymph in the wrong direction. Anybody told you that’s dumb because it has a valve that goes in one direction and it closes so it can only go in one direction. Everybody’s like, Do I roll it this way or this way? Does it matter? You’re stimulating the lymph node, you’re creating a domino effect, you’re opening it up, and now it’s pumping in here. Then I’m going to go outside with my tonsils under my jaw, and I’m going to pump. But with the intention that it’s going to drain down here, I opened up the exits, and now the first line of traffic can move down. The tonsils are important because they’re the gatekeepers of what comes out of the head, and we want to drain that brain into the lymphatic system because, while the autonomic nervous system, I would contend, is the fastest-moving electrical panel in our body, it’s really important to have the central and peripheral work well from the brain and brain brainstem. Let’s get the brain drained. We do that by draining our tonsils.

Then we go to where the bra strap is for women. I guess men sometimes wear a bra too, so it would be here. We call this the apical node area. I’m pumping that and intending it to go toward this opening here, and now that this is all open, the brain can drain down and the arms can drain up to this area. Then I’m going to drain my armpit. I’m going to take those two fingers again. I’m going to put my right arm in the center of my armpit, but my arm down, and I’m going to pump. I’m going to show you what I do. You just pump it. I have a PDF that you can print out as well, and it kind of looks like I’m doing this. It’s the hardest one to teach because what you’re doing is just creating a little bit of stimulation in that armpit of the node that’s deep up in your axillary, and it kind of looks like a breast with a nipple at the end. If you want to think about just going right in the center of the armpit, you should have a nice pitch, not a puff. That’s an armpit. When you have a nice concave area, you go right into the arm where it should be concave and just gently pump it. When I pump it, I’m thinking about that draining to the apical node, and the apical node is draining here. We go through that whole video that’s free and the PDF. You guys can own that. Then we have tools like this to help dry the brush. We teach it to open up here first, then dry brush to the openings so it’s close, and then far for proximal versus distal for those that are in Addison, and then we have really fun tools, Dr. Ann.

Ann Shippy, MD

I can’t wait for this.

Kelly Kennedy

That yes, this has a head on it. This is a vibrating tool. We call Flow Vibrate. It’s got a little button on the bottom that you hold for 3 seconds to turn it on and then it has three different speeds of bio-sonic vibration that if you can’t get that feeling right, you just hold it. 5 seconds, hold 5 seconds. I find that kids like this a little bit more than my fingers because they get tickly. Yes, it’s a little easier for the kids and I usually have two in my center. I’ll do two at a time. It’s also great on a plane for people who get a lot of swelling or stiffness from a plane. It’s because your lymph isn’t moving. After all, you’re on that EMF jet that’s stopping your lymph from flowing. Stimulating your lymph, whether it’s with this or manual pumping, is always a good idea. This is way easier. I consider this like brushing your teeth.

Ann Shippy, MD

How long does it take you to go around the.

Kelly Kennedy

The whole sequence takes 5 minutes.

Ann Shippy, MD

How many? How often?

Kelly Kennedy

Once or twice a day. If you’re well, if you’re not well, I recommend doing it every hour. What you’re going to notice is that you’re going to pee more, sweat more, and poop more. Because your sh*t’s going to come out. And then you’re going to need to take binders, and you’re going to do all the things that you have to do to grab all the stuff that’s starting to move. If you feel like, “Oh, it was a damned wall,” and I took a sledgehammer and got way too much stuff coming out and slowing down the amount you’re draining, go from one hour every hour to every 3 hours or every 4 hours. But if you’re clogged, if you’re not pooping, if you’re not bleeding, if you’re bleeding too much, if you’re pooping too much, if your circadian rhythms are off, move your lymphatics. I want the reframe for everybody to be that I have a symptom. My drain barrels are full. I need to drain my lymph. Yes, I need to stop putting this in whatever the toxicant is. But if I have a symptom, it’s because I don’t have drainage, and I got to drain some of the toxins out, and now my body’s got room to deal with whatever else it is.

Ann Shippy, MD

It is like a series of dams; like with all the different pieces of healing and detoxification, if you open up an upstream dam and you haven’t opened up the ones downstream, you’re going to get some flooding. These lymphatic pieces are really important for opening up so that the toxins can flow out, along with the other things that we do to help with the detox pathways. That’s beautiful.

Kelly Kennedy

Yes. I find a lot of people get that once they open up their drainage to all the things they’re doing for their detox, everything goes faster and better. You go slower to go, but to go faster at some level because, like you said, it’s channels; it’s like a lock system. You’ve got to open up one lock so that the next lock can open, so the next lock can open so that everything can flow, and then the stuff that’s coming out, your liver can deal with easier because it’s not clogged. 50% of our lymph flow is created in our liver. There’s so much to the lymph. It’s our fluid retention. It’s 80% of our toxic cancer removed through the lymph. It helps. It’s, I would consider, the whole body’s immune system. That’s what we’re designed for to have immunity so we can live or self-heal. Amazing, vital, mystic humans were not autoimmune, falling apart, or broken; they needed to be fixed. That’s a misconception. Oh, we are beautiful, amazing, and self-regulating. healing. Doctor Ann and I met each other. Can I say how we met?

Ann Shippy, MD

I love that.

Kelly Kennedy

We met at a Dr. Joe Dispenza event, and I have watched and been involved with Dr. Joe’s work studying spontaneous healing for over 15 years. I go to a lot of conferences worldwide, as I know Ann does. There have never been spontaneous healings like you get to see in this community. There is more impact in people getting in touch with their bodies and their healing capacities within than with all the green pharmacies, all the great therapeutic tools, the red light, the casserole packs, and all those things. But when we can truly heal, it’s when we’re in love with ourselves and allow all that love to flow everywhere in our bodies. When I met Dr. Ann, I felt that oozing out of the pores of her body, she vibed. She has a gorgeous vibration that comes from her heart. That’s truly centered on the fact that she cares and wants to help other people get better faster. That’s why she made this summit available. I know that because that’s why I do this. Trust me, it’s not because we just love doing all the work that the summit entails.

Ann Shippy, MD

It is a labor of love. But you’re exactly right. It is kind of one of those things where there are just too many people suffering from it. We all have pieces of the puzzle and ways that we’re looking at things. By collaborating and creating this kind of summit, we can help people know and give hope that they can get better and then fill in some of the pieces of the puzzle. But we’ll expedite it. But definitely, Doctor Joe Dispenza’s work is an amplifier. I think what it does is change the brainwaves so that epigenetic changes can occur so that the body finds it in its innate wisdom. I don’t know if you were there when the woman with ALS was at the end of a walking meditation; she hadn’t been able to stand up from her wheelchair for two years, and she was standing alone on her own. I didn’t get to meet her, but I got to witness her see a pretty tremendous change in her physiology over the weekend.

Kelly Kennedy

Yes. Another woman there was in a wheelchair. That’s a second time. Third time. Dr. Christine has seen her. The second time I’ve seen her. Each time, she has been bound to a wheelchair for over ten years. Each time they did coherent scaling, her legs moved spontaneously. Then, for the next walking meditation, she stood up, and Dr. Christine saw her at this last one, walking without her, like the volunteer was behind her, pushing her wheelchair, and she was walking on her own. Christine was just crying because that’s how we have such healing power inside of each one of us, and we just need to learn how to access it. The lymph is so easy to access, and much like brushing our teeth or brushing our hair, taking care of our bodies by taking a shower, or drinking water, we need to learn about how to handle the filters in our lymph system and make that our new framework so that we get our toxicants out. Then we support our bodies with all the other things we do and watch the magic happen. I’m turning 50 this year, and you’re beautiful as well, and your skin is gorgeous as well. It is truly anti-aging, regenerative medicine that we have inside each one of us. We just have the right tools and the keys to open that up. It is the lymph in your fascia.

Ann Shippy, MD

So definitely getting the lymphatic system moving better can help the fascia significantly. Are there any other tips to help with the fascia that you recommend?

Kelly Kennedy

Vibration is key. We don’t vibrate enough things in our lives, and when you vibrate, you’re creating that shock. Then the body’s got to shift and change the frequency. Sound is the best vibration and the most impactful vibration for our fascia. I don’t mean as I mean, I love Snoop Dogg and some of his songs, but I’m not saying Snoop Dogg Rap is going to necessarily do it, but sound bowls, overtones, and sounds of nature naturally. Classical music, Mozart, Bach, and Beethoven all have natural overtones. Overtone is the most healing of all the sound therapies. Just spending time with sound can help heal you. But if you can’t get to sound, then you can create sound. Humming will start to shift your fascia and your lymph, and it puts you in a better mood because you can’t hum and be sad. I don’t think it can exist.

Ann Shippy, MD

Like last night, I got to go see the Austin Symphony with a rendition of Radiohead. It was one of the most creative and beautiful things I’ve heard of, and it was all about looking towards the future and how we fit in. It was beautiful. I feel so uplifted from just having that live music for a couple of hours with that inspiration.

Kelly Kennedy

I think we don’t have enough. Music is in every single culture. America doesn’t have a culture. The American Indians have a lot of tribal music and drumming. I’ve done a lot of research on this, too, but there’s the mushroom. The Mycelium network is the fascia of the Gaia. Of the earth are the mushrooms. They’re connected to everything. If you talk to the mushroom here and need something, the mushroom in Australia will send it to it because it’s all fiber optic networked underneath. It’s amazing. Every mushroom is connected to every other mushroom, and every tree is connected to every tree through the mushroom network. It’s just like our fascia. The mushrooms need vibrations to expand and grow. Since we haven’t been drumming as much as a culture over the last 200 years, our mycelium network has shrunk.

Ann Shippy, MD

That’s fascinating.

Kelly Kennedy

Isn’t that fascinating?

Ann Shippy, MD

I wonder if it’s also because of the toxicity of the planet growing up.

Kelly Kennedy

I just would imagine that your.

Ann Shippy, MD

Air pollution poisoning them.

Kelly Kennedy

All the radiation and all the Wi-Fi, right? All the one-directional vibration that’s breaking up the scale or vibration—that’s this laser beam of bad electricity versus a scalar Tesla frequency—that’s natural. Drumming, getting the vibration, or vibration platforms—I think you were about to mention vibration platforms sitting on an exercise ball and vibrating, right? Like whatever you can do, have water moving up and take a bath, but have the water running. Vibration through sound and light is going to heal the body more than anything I could ever possibly tell you to do. Treat your scars if they’re not. Work with somebody who knows how to treat scars, whether it’s a physical therapist, an acupuncturist, some medical doctor who does Neurotherapy, or a naturopath who knows how to do that, but gets the scar attribute in multiple ways. I do it noninvasively. I use vibration, rapid-release technology, my hands, and myofascial release. John Barnes’s technique is wonderful. There are a lot of great practitioners out there that are held hands-on and can help you heal the scar. Then take breaths, calm down on the ground, vibrate yourself in some way, shape, or form, and drink good-quality water. If you can’t afford all the filters in the world, take your water, bring it to your heart, breathe your nose into it, and get cobalt blue glass because that’ll naturally structure the water. Breathe your nose into it. You’re nitrous oxide, actually, for something that’s parasympathetic, that changes the structure of the water, and you love it and have gratitude for it. Even if you’re traveling and you can’t get good water, you enhance the quality—maybe not the purity, but the quality and the structure.

Ann Shippy, MD

I do think that it’s important to figure out how to get filtered water, even if it’s just one of the inexpensive brands. I think it’s worth it based on what we see and the water quality reports for most cities now. I think that’s just non-negotiable 99% of the time. I mean, if you have to drink from the hose because you’re outside and then it’s locked out or something, maybe drink from the hose, but just really try to get good quality water, especially since so much of our bodies are water. It’s like an exchange system that goes on continuously. The better water we put in, the better the wavelength is going to be. Our red blood cells and all of that

Kelly Kennedy

Most tap water has 7,000 chemicals in it that your body then has to filter out. If you filter it first, you’re taking that one step closer to not letting your body have to filter it because you bought the filter instead of the filter. I would also contend that drinking it is important, but showering and bathing are more important because you’re absorbing it right into your bloodstream, right into your skin. People don’t think about that. But I mean, I have been showering and drinking purified, filtered water since 1996.

Ann Shippy, MD

You’re way ahead of the game.

Kelly Kennedy

I can’t believe I’m still talking about, to be honest with you, at some level, people are still using stuff on their skin that they want to put in their mouth. What are they thinking?

Ann Shippy, MD

Well, I think that you’ve probably opened your eyes to what you witnessed your father going through. It makes you look at things differently. When you look for the root causes of cancer, it’s a big one.

Kelly Kennedy

In water, as you said, we’re mostly water, and it’s a constant exchange. A lot of people talk about food, and it’s important. But the air and the water are more important, I would contend because you should get an air filter like the AirDoctor. Oh, God, I love that thing. We had a lot of that fog recently. My mother had it in upstate New York. When I called her, I was like, “Are you doing okay?”  She was like, “Oh, yes, that air filter you got me. It’s just going crazy. It’s making so much noise. I’m like, We’ll just stay in your house and keep your windows shut. That air filter is probably doing more for you than you could imagine.” I got it for her because she had COVID last year and I wanted to help her heal from that. But I was so happy that she had that air doctor because I knew that it was helping her quality of air. We can’t live for 3 minutes without good-quality air. We can’t live for about three to five days. 

I don’t know; maybe Dr. Shippy would say something different with water. We live a long time without food. A long time. Let’s pay attention to the water and the oxygen because we need those to be of high quality, and then we will be of higher quality. We cannot live for one second without a lymph system. We die without a lymph system. It’s got to be important if we can’t live without it. I think the reframe needs to be: What can I not live without? That’s what I should be loving. My liver? I think there’s a reason they called it the liver; it always regenerates. That’s cool. I know, isn’t that funny? But I think fascia and lymph start embryologically. We start as a tongue and fascia, and then everything is housed in the center of that through the concept of biotin sacred. As they start to pull away from each other and pull in and out, it creates the energy that allows the cells to start to change and go through mitosis and create a human inside of our bodies, which is incredible we can.

Ann Shippy, MD

There are so many aspects of the human body that, when you just kind of step back and look at how it’s working every second, are quite incredible. I hope that the people listening to you are taking away that they have a really important tool in their toolbox that can make a huge difference with five or 10 minutes a day. They can all find five or 10 minutes for something that’s this important to help. One of the most important systems, if not the most important system.

Kelly Kennedy

As we’re talking about it. Right?.

Ann Shippy, MD

Work better, give it some support.

Kelly Kennedy

Yes. When you do that, you let go of what is holding you back because lymph is about draining, but it’s also about being able to have the space to step into who we are and like you, and our wound is what allowed the light. As Rumi says, the wound is where the light enters. Many people are listening to this. I know it stinks that you’re in chronic pain, you’re in chronic illness, and you’ve been dealing with the chronicity of mold, but it’s also allowed you and educated you and allowed you to start to connect with your body and connect with your environment and find like-minded tribes that are awake and conscious, really moving forward, loving the life that we live, and allowing your illness to be the best thing that ever happened to you. I know it sounds crazy right now, but trust me, it really can be because it will give you the tools and the keys to give you the true freedom that freedom is about. I know that I’m in control of this. No matter what’s thrown at me, I have the tools to get rid of it, and I know how to detoxify it. I know that frequency always wins. I know I’m a frequency machine, a vital cystic organism, and I know how to work with that frequency. Therefore, nobody can control me because I am free, and I want nothing more than for every single person to vibrantly freely walk through life as this beautiful woman does, and she empowers you all with the tools that you need so you can do the same, so you’re not dependent upon allopathic medicine, green pharmacy, or that thing that you have to travel with. Freedom is being able to move freely about life and knowing how to take the right actionable steps so that I stay in regenerative healing mode and don’t go backward into degeneration because that’s it. We have a choice every single moment of every single day about regenerating or degenerating. We’re not stagnant, ever.

Ann Shippy, MD

All the different healing journeys that I’ve been through, I think it has those gaps have been, all right. What are the things that I need to do most days and most ways to care for this vessel that my soul is working in and contributing to the planet? I’m so grateful for those lessons so that I can feel better. I just had a big birthday. I won’t tell you which one, but the reflections were like, Oh my gosh, I felt like I still feel like I’m 29. I feel as good in my body as I did then. Maybe even better.

Kelly Kennedy

I feel better, I could say, because 28 it sucked. 20 to 26 or so, it was rough. But it got better, and it keeps getting better. I’m excitedly turning 50 this year at the beginning of next year, and I look forward to that because I feel so good and I want to help other women celebrate our age like fine wine that we mature with wisdom, with grace, with beauty, and with internal wisdom and internal beauty that we’re allowed to express outside. We’ve done the work. The play is to find out why our vibration is off. What is it in my life that’s often, whether that’s the mold or the moldy relationship or the moldy work life or whatever it is that’s old, gross, and smelly, to change, to allow us to change, to allow us to step into who we are, and to give our unique power and presence to the world, which is being present right now. Right now, it’s all we have.

Ann Shippy, MD

It’s really lovely how our philosophies overlap about life healing and the innate wisdom of the body. It’s so beautiful to get to share that with you and you articulate it so beautifully. Thank you.

Kelly Kennedy

Thank you. I want to make it so easy for people to realize that you got this, like, there’s nothing you can’t do. We’re so limitless. We have just scratched the surface of the potential of this human experience. There are so many great tools and so much great wisdom to allow you freedom. I’m a freedom fighter more than anything because I didn’t want when COVID hit honestly, Dr. Ann, I felt like I hadn’t done my job because I grew up in the house that everybody lived in for those first three to six weeks, months, or years, depending upon where they’re at with it. But I was like, Wait, they’re all waiting for something outside of them that makes them sick. Oh, and they think a mask or a shot is going to help them. No, no, no. That’s not how the body works. I got to do my job. I got to start a podcast. I got to start to go out there and share the message of what I know to be true about how the body works and that you have control over it. 

Yes, I got in a car accident again; maybe that wasn’t somebody hitting me. I would contend that the Zen master, somebody put me there, and I put myself there. But I’m not saying run me to Dr. Joe’s work right from the car accident. Patch me up again, please.  Make sure my head is sealed and not exposed. Make sure my spleen isn’t going to lacerate. Those are really good things that it’s lacerated; it’s not going to explode. That’s a really good thing. But then, once you’ve patched me up, allow my body to heal and get the lessons that all of that was to teach me, which was that I wanted to cure the world from cancer and not have anybody get cancer. I wanted to know with certainty that I could prevent it. That’s exactly what I get to do every day. I know that I have prevented cancer in my own life and for so many of our clients, and I’ve helped so many clients with cancer turn their lives around. 

The best thing that ever happened was that car accident because it forced me into a position where I had to find another way, and because I found another way. Now I can share that with other people. I know how many lives we get to impact with what we do. We all have that power. We all have that journey. We all have our special source. This opportunity of your illness, whatever it is that you’re dealing with, listening to this is your opportunity to turn it into the greatest grace you could have ever imagined. I promise you that. Just trust it and trust your body. We trust that when we’re growing babies, we don’t have to do anything. As women, we’re like, “You got that? I’ll just make sure I don’t eat the wrong things and expose myself to the wrong things,” and then you’re going to ruin it. 99% of the time, accounts come out perfect, so we can do anything. How about we go back to that philosophy? I’m going to stop stopping it from healing and allow it to continue to heal because that’s how it works. Trust.

Ann Shippy, MD

Just knowing that the baby will grow and the body will heal. It’s a whole different mindset. That’s beautiful. I would love it if you would share how people can find out more about you.

Kelly Kennedy

Yes. On Instagram, they can follow me to different places. True Wellness Global. The name of our clinic in Pennsylvania is True Wellness. truewellnessglobal is our Instagram. Then I have kellywellnessgirl as well. Then our website is thetruewellnesscenter.com. The last is I have a podcast because I think everybody’s Yes. On Instagram, they can follow me to different places. True Wellness Global The name of our clinic in Pennsylvania is True Wellness. truewellnessglobal is our Instagram. Then I have Kelly Wellness Girl as well. Then our website is truewellnesscenter.com. The last is that I have a podcast because I think everybody’s probably gotten the sense that I’d like to talk. My podcast is called The Beats Like Heartbeats with Kelly Kennedy, and it’s all about teaching people how their bodies work, how the universe works, and great information that’s practical for people. That’s my goal. probably got the sense that I’d like to talk. My podcast is called The Beats like the Heartbeats. The Beats with Kelly Kennedy and it’s all about teaching people how their body works and how the universe works and great information that’s practical for people. That’s my goal.

Ann Shippy, MD

Well, I love your mission and I love your heart. I look forward to more conversations with you in the future because it’s been such a delight.

Kelly Kennedy

Thank you so much, Dr. Ann, and thank you for doing this. This is a huge opportunity. This summit, I think, is so important for people with mold and mycotoxins to have some conversation. There needs to be a lot of education, and I’m so grateful to be a part of it and to share my little piece with everybody. I hope they get everything out of it that they need.

Ann Shippy, MD

Thank you so much. It’s a very important piece. I’m very grateful. Thanks for your time and your care.