Full Transcript Introduction to Mold and Toxic Burden 0:00 It's the mycotoxins that make us sick and create that toxic burden in the body. 0:06 And they cause all kinds of problems, oxidative stress and mitochondrial dysfunction. 0:12 They crash your immune system and they mess up your vital organs, your liver, kidneys, heart, brain, all of it. 0:22 Symptoms are only part of the story. 0:24 I'm Dr. 0:25 Drew Kidder. 0:25 I am Dr Emily Hernandez. 0:27 And on the healing terrain, we explore deeper systems influencing clinical outcomes from toxic burden and microbial imbalance to the foundational factors 0:36 that drive resilience and long-term health. 0:47 I am super, super excited to have a very special guest on today's episode of the Healing Terrain podcast, and that is none other than Laura Frontero. 1:00 Laura, thank you so much for joining us today. 1:03 It's always a pleasure to hang out with you, Drew. 1:04 Thank you. 1:07 It may be hard to believe, but there may people, surprisingly, that don't know you right? 1:13 I find that hard believe. 1:15 But for those that do not know, you tell us a little bit about your background. 1:20 I want to paint a picture of who you are, where you came from, and what brilliance I know that you have. 1:27 So share that with the audience. 1:29 Where I came from?
Laura Fronterou2019s Background and Functional Medicine Journey 1:30 Well, I come from a little town called Gold Run near Truckee in California. 1:35 That's where I started, but no, truly where it came professionally. 1:40 So I start it out in the Western medicine world and I was a nurse practitioner. 1:45 Well I still am. 1:46 I don't practice anymore. 1:48 Actually I officially retired, like actually did the retirement thing. 1:55 at age 50. So I retired. 1:58 Yep, a full retirement party and everything. 2:01 Wasn't just quitting, but full-retirement. 2:04 Anyway, I worked in Western medicine as a nurse practitioner for a couple of decades. 2:10 And at some point in my career, I don't remember the exact year. 2:14 I think it was around 2015 I learned about the gut microbiome. 2:17 Now remember that it wasn't even, and I'm using air quotes here for people who are listening and not watching, but it really, 2:29 the microbiome has been there all along, but that's when modern science kind of acknowledged it as a real thing. 2:34 And that is when the explosion of research around it, books, everything was published. 2:38 About 15 years later is where I stumbled on the thing called the Microbiome. 2:42 Once I started learning about that, I couldn't look back. 2:45 You know how, Drew, once you see something, you can't unsee it? 2:49 Once you learn something you cannot unlearn it. 2:51 So here is a whole other layer of of human health that I just needed to dive into. 2:59 So really, that's where it all started. 3:01 Long story short, I built a functional medicine, virtual functional alongside, you know, while I was working at Kaiser and finally stepped away from that 3:14 three years ago fully. 3:15 And that's all I do now is health coaching in my own business. 3:19 We focus on gut microbiome and detoxing people. 3:22 Well, I would say we also focus in mitochondria. 3:24 Those are kind of the three big places that we teach and help people with. 3:31 I love it. 3:32 You know, I, love right on your website. 3:35 I I loved the fact that you have optimized your health and energy. 3:42 Reclaim mental clarity, easy digestion and a brighter mood so your body can keep up with your ambition. 3:50 Do you know a client told me that so that that tagline came from a Client she had gone through my programs and her feedback to me was my body. 4:00 Can keep Up with my ambition? 4:01 I love that. 4:02 That literally came From someone. 4:04 Yeah, hopefully you're paying her royalties. 4:08 No, I love her a lot though. 4:11 But no, those symptoms you just described is like the cluster of symptoms that so many people are dealing with. 4:18 It's the low energy, the brain fogginess, that digestive distress, it's kind of this cluster things that sets in. 4:25 it seems like it setting in earlier and earlier with people. 4:28 I mean, It kind was a midlife thing, but I'm meeting people in their 20s and 30s that are having these same sets of systems actually, 4:35 which is awful. 4:38 It is awful. 4:39 It's unfortunate. 4:40 So let's talk about it. 4:42 I mean, we have a big topic to kind of unpack, which is mold, mycotoxins, and the biotoxin illness explosion. 4:52 And so I want to start out by just asking you a question, right? 4:57 Simple question. 4:59 Are we truly seeing this explosion in exposure and illness Or are we simply getting better at recognizing something that's been there all along?
Why Mold Exposure Is Rising 5:14 Or I'll say, or is it both? 5:17 Well, so I was going to say my answer in a word would be both. 5:23 So here's how I would explain this. 5:27 Mold is not new to cohabitating alongside humans, right? 5:34 There's always been mold and there's been humans. 5:36 And so we've lived alongside mold always. 5:40 What has changed is the way we build our homes and we built our businesses. 5:47 So the building environment has change. 5:50 And by that I mean airtight systems and I would say I might get in trouble here, but I don't think they do plumbing the way they used to. 6:02 We had a big fight about it when we remodeled my house recently. 6:05 My husband is a copper, like do copper sweating and use copper pipes on our home. 6:09 And they wanted to use, you know, the, plastic click together and we had huge fight with our plumber and were like, no, we're not having that. 6:18 So I just think that building materials are not as, as quality as they use to be. 6:26 everything is made now with a substance that's perfect environment to grow mold. 6:34 And I'm talking about drywall, right? 6:38 So, synthetic building materials as well. 6:40 Then we have this huge ventilation problem, everything's airtight. 6:44 We want cool air to stay in and the hot air stay out in the summer and reverse in winter. 6:52 Construction has gotten really good at doing that. 6:55 What's happened is we've created the perfect environment for mold to grow. 7:00 Then I would say the other thing that's happening is people are inside more often than they've ever been. 7:08 I was just thinking about this the I really resisted it for so long, Drew, and I've succumbed, but I was still the girl who would make a shopping list 7:17 and then go out and run my errands and hit all the different stores that I needed to go to. 7:22 And life has become so busy that, I finally started ordering things on Amazon. 7:27 I'm sad to say that my household is one of those households that has an Amazon box arriving every other day because I don't even get out of the house as much. 7:37 as I should. 7:37 We're really disconnected from being outside in nature and we spend all of our time inside where we have this perfect environment for mold to grow. 7:48 So I would say that mold is not new, but what's new is that we're learning to, you know, or we are starting to live in environments where it's perfect 8:00 conditions for mold to grow. 8:01 And I also think we're maybe getting a little wiser and better at identifying mold as well. 8:09 I think there was, you know, the people who pioneered the functional medicine movement, it's rather new in its infancy, at least in this country, 8:17 in the United States. 8:18 It's not so new Germany or Switzerland, but here it is pretty new. 8:28 So, you touched on some of the symptoms, but I want us to draw back for a second, kind of 30,000 foot view and say, what does the patient look like in 8:39 your mind and with your programs who has the systems? 8:44 It may be someone sitting there today watching this that has had the system of fatigue and brain fog and digestive issues and poor sleep cycles, 8:56 some immune dysfunction, But no one has ever asked whether their environment, whether they're exposures could be causing that.
Recognizing the Mold Patient 9:06 So what does that look like for you in your approach and how you help patients with that? 9:15 So when I worked in Western medicine all that time, I never asked really about the environment. 9:24 We heard about solutions, you know, band-aid solutions to help fix it. 9:31 We'd run a bunch of diagnostics and tests, and then we'd say, well, everything looks really good. 9:36 I really can't tell what's going on, but would you like a referral to psychiatry? 9:42 No joke. 9:45 Yes. 9:46 Even on my charts, because I was practicing back in the day before computers ruled the world, so we would handwrite everything. 9:54 Yeah, paper chart. 9:55 And I can't tell you how many times I wrote PSS referral, which meant the psychiatry department that was like our abbreviation for it. 10:03 So what that looks like for what I'm seeing, I think what natural medicine practitioners who are offering different solutions to help people feel better. 10:14 These people show up as the mystery person, right? 10:19 They've seen 10 practitioners, they've tried working on separate systems. 10:25 So I'll give you an example. 10:27 So let's say somebody with mold exposure has sinus issues. 10:31 So they've seen an ENT, right? 10:34 And an EMT has maybe gone with a scope and looked into their sinuses and, you know, maybe they have tried them on some inhaled nasal steroids and some 10:44 nasal washing, but it really didn't solve the problem, and we see this in every system. 10:50 Depending on what system the mold is affecting, we have seen multiple specialists along the way. 10:57 And that's because our Western model divides the body into systems, right? 11:02 But in the natural medicine space, we see the bodies as a whole. 11:07 And so I think from my perspective, when I'm looking at somebody who's telling me I have all these symptoms and I've seen all the specialists, 11:14 I am really thinking about the person as a whole and all the systems in the body, and then helping them ask the right questions to themselves. 11:24 When did this start? 11:26 Where were you? 11:27 Or what happened to you when all of this started? 11:31 And once they start thinking about that, they can start to realize, oh, I remember I was feeling good, and then I wasn't feeling. 11:41 And it's when we moved to that new house, or it was when I got that other job, you know, insert thing. 11:48 So that's really how I think the Western space is looking at people and how the functional, more integrative, natural medicine space, 11:56 is look at this same group of people. 11:59 I want to unpack that a little bit more, but before we do, mold and mycotoxins, right? 12:08 We throw those terms out interchangeably, we very often say, well, mold in mycotoxin. 12:15 But clinically, that distinction is important, so what are my cotoxines and what occurs in essence when they enter into the body? 12:27 So mold in itself, and I even use the word interchangeably, because a lot of times I think what we're doing is we are meeting people where they're at. 12:36 And if I say the words mycotoxin, my audience doesn't necessarily understand what that means, but if i say that word mold, 12:43 they understand it. 12:45 Now I know that there's a difference, But they don't quite understand the difference. 12:50 They just think mold and it makes me sick. 12:53 So, the truth of it is that mold actually doesn't make you sick. 12:58 It's the mycotoxins that the mold creates.
Mycotoxins vs Mold Explained 13:01 So mycotoxin are compounds that molds produce and it depends on the environment that a mold is living in as well. 13:12 Finding mold in your environment doesn' automatically mean that that mould is producing large amounts of my cotoxines. 13:21 you know, load in your house is going to vary based on the species and the environmental conditions. 13:26 Like, do you have poor airflow or not? 13:31 Right? 13:31 Do you live in a new house or an older house that might have some cracks and creaks and leaks where air can get in? 13:37 That's not exactly a bad thing. 13:40 So I think that's a really important distinction for people. 13:44 And then mold itself, you know, when we think of mold, itself there's the spores of the mold and the fragments of them mold. 13:50 And sure, that can be irritating and people can have a kind of, they could be allergens and can allergic to it and it can cause respiratory irritation 13:58 if you inhale all kinds of stuff. 14:00 But it's them mycotoxins. 14:02 that make us sick and create that toxic burden in the body. 14:07 And they cause all kinds of problems, oxidative stress and mitochondrial dysfunction, and they crash your immune system, 14:16 they mess up your vital organs, your liver, kidneys, heart, brain, all of it. 14:22 So I think that's important for people to understand that a mycotoxin in itself is harmful, but the mold often isn't that harmful. 14:31 And I love just to touch, you know, I, love your point of how with construction, right? 14:38 We think, oh, it's amazing. 14:39 We're building these airtight homes, but I literally just this morning had a conversation with someone on how we didn't see mold in a lot of older homes 14:50 that were built for proper ventilation, Right? 14:54 You could have homes. 14:55 I grew up in, a home that was built in 1820. It was part of the Underground Railroad in Western New York, and yet it was built in a way that allowed for 15:06 the house to, in essence, breathe. 15:08 So they were sharing with me that the little cupolas that are put in the top of homes actually allowed proper airflow. 15:16 Yeah, we're being exposed. 15:19 in our environment, in offices and homes. 15:24 We're also exposed in foods, right? 15:27 A lot of foods can be very high. 15:30 Why don't you share with the audience some of what you kind of pick up on oftentimes with foods that may be triggers for mycotoxins? 15:38 Yeah, for sure. 15:39 I have to tell you, as you were talking about where you grew up, I grew in a log cabin. 15:43 Real, like think of Lincoln Logs and think about building a Log cabin and that's what I grow up in. 15:48 So there was lots of ventilation. 15:50 Let's put it that way. 15:53 That's awesome. 15:54 Yeah. 15:54 Well, it was in, you know, outside of Truckee, California. 15:57 Of course, we got lots of snow and we heated with a wood stove and I did have a pet deer and i did go out exploring on acreages and acreage and an acre 16:07 of forest. 16:08 I mean, that was my childhood. 16:10 My parents didn't know where we were. 16:11 We just left for the day and went exploring. 16:15 But in terms of foods, You know, some of the biggest offenders are grains and coffee, anything that's going to be sitting for a long time, 16:25 waiting to being processed or being process. 16:29 And even some, you know produce and fruits can also, we think about apples and patchelin, right? 16:36 So patchulin is a mycotoxin that is, it can be found in apples, and then we I always think about, well, what are we always giving our toddlers and kids 16:48 apple juice? 16:49 Maybe it's full of patulant. 16:52 Maybe that the behavior of the child is not necessarily due to behavior.
Food Sources and Home Exposure 17:00 Or maybe it is a mycotoxin from the food that they are eating. 17:04 So yeah, those are the main foods. 17:07 Interestingly, recently I was talking to someone, Drew. 17:11 So what I learned from an expert who is a mold inspector, do you know Brian Carr? 17:18 You know, Brian very well. 17:20 So Brian Car explained to me with all of his inspecting that he does, that it's interesting when you run a mild mycotoxin test on someone and you also 17:33 run test in their home, here's the crazy thing. 17:37 He told me a crazy statistic, like 98%. It was right in there. 17:41 I got to go back and remember what he said. 17:43 But don't quote me exactly on that, but it was very high. 17:46 Most of the time, the mycotoxins that we think are from food are actually living in someone's home on the surfaces in their home. 17:55 So this is really important for our listeners to understand that a mycotoxin that tends to be, I'll use okra toxin for an example. 18:03 Okra Toxin, everybody always thinks it's coming from the grains or the coffee or something like that. 18:09 but it actually can just live on a water damaged surface in your home and that okra toxin may not be coming from food at all. 18:17 And so what he said was even the ones that tend to people think only come from foods are actually have no problem living on your water damage surfaces 18:26 in you home. 18:28 Crazy amount of the time. 18:30 In the 90% of, I think it was 98, he says he sees it on the home inspection. 18:36 Is that wild? 18:39 It is. 18:39 And I love, I mean, you bring him up and I want to defer too much, but I loved what he's now doing with his system and showing the correlation between 18:48 a mold and mycotoxin test that are done on us and our home and show that here is where your exposure is coming from or where it's not coming. 19:01 We bring him into my community. 19:03 He teaches. 19:04 I consider him faculty inside my detox program. 19:08 And he teaches every time, every cohort. 19:10 In fact, I just contacted him a couple of days ago and said, ''I've got another class coming up. 19:14 Can you teach?'' He said absolutely. 19:16 So he's remarkable. 19:18 and I love it that he runs the testing from the human and the test in the house and has created... 19:24 Correlates it. 19:24 Correlated it so you can see if it's right there in your house. 19:28 That is such good diagnostic data. 19:31 It is great. 19:32 So let's talk about two different patients. 19:36 Two different patience, either living in the same environment, or they are, you know, it could be family members, spouse, 19:45 whatever. 19:47 One has an issue with mycotoxins, the other doesn't. 19:52 Knowing how you think upstream, what are you automatically queuing in on of the resilience of one person versus the susceptibility of another? 20:01 Where does your mind go with that? 20:03 Well, I think what everybody needs to understand is that exposure is important, but the resilience of the person is going to determine what happens after 20:14 the exposure. 20:14 The resilience and the pre-existing toxic load, and a few other components. 20:22 Um, you can have a family member, two family members living in the exact same house, one person is sick, the other person, 20:29 is thriving in life. 20:31 And when we think about a resilience bucket, there's a lot of variables that are influencing that resilience packet. 20:38 So, just the basics, One person might be sleeping well, The other might not. 20:43 One might really be good at eating healthy, and the others might NOT. 20:48 One person may be really active and athletic and the other person maybe completely sedentary. 20:53 So even those changes. 20:55 And then if we think about past traumas that people have lived through and stress.
Resilience, Terrain, and Why People Respond Differently 21:01 If we're just thinking about filling that resilient bucket, we are throwing all of these things into the bucket. 21:07 The traumass and stresses that you've had through a lifetime. 21:10 Then just from a biology standpoint, if you think of different genetics, people in the same family can have different epigenetics. 21:18 And some people can be really good detoxifiers and some are not good. 21:24 Some people have really strong gut genetics where others do not. 21:27 So that's one of the reasons that your brother or sister could fare very well, but you do And then inside of that bucket are things like your nutrient 21:36 and mineral status, your mitochondria reserve, whether or not you have antioxidant capacity, or whether you're making bile efficiently, 21:45 and whether your liver is functioning efficiently. 21:48 Let's just talk about pooping for a second. 21:50 person one may be constipated, person two may poop like a racehorse, right? 21:56 So this is going to influence how your body responds to mold. 22:01 Somebody may have really strong lymphatic system because they're really active, somebody else may stagnant, and somebody may a strong immune system where 22:10 somebody just has a weak immune because of all the other things that are occurring in their body simultaneously. 22:18 So these are all pieces that influence why one person will do better and another won't. 22:24 And we see it all the time in my community even. 22:26 When we're running programs, gut programs and detox programs. 22:31 We've got person A and person B, And person A and person B are doing the exact same protocols. 22:37 They're doing same things, they're getting the same training, their learning the the thing. 22:41 And one person responds fast and the other person respond slow. 22:46 It's because they have a different resilience bucket. 22:49 So, I'm going to ask you a super loaded question, but knowing how much you weave Cellcore into your programs, you identify, 22:59 because you also do a lot of testing, right? 23:01 You identify that mold and mycotoxins are an issue. 23:05 All you have to do is give them a binder, to bind on to that myocardium and get it out of the body, that's all you do. 23:15 What? 23:16 That's not what you do? 23:17 It could potentially backfire? 23:19 Why is that? 23:20 Well, so in a word, you can't, there's no point in binding what cannot be removed. 23:30 So are you binding something for the sole purpose of binding it and recirculating it? 23:35 Or are binding for something the purpose for excreting it. 23:38 And I think this is a piece that I know when I was a new natural medicine practitioner, when i had started stepping away from the western world and i was 23:52 trying my hand at helping people restore gut health and detoxify, I thought that all i needed to do was give people a binder and that would solve the problem 24:03 but the problems is. 24:05 If people don't have open pathways to get that toxin out once it's bound up. 24:13 Well, then it just recirculates back into the body, and now you've displaced it. 24:18 So maybe it wasn't quite as bad where it was sitting before, now, you re-circulated it to a more sensitive area in the bottom. 24:28 And that can be a massive problem. 24:30 So this is, you said, loaded question around cellcore. 24:33 I mean, this what cell core does best, right? 24:37 I would say cell cores contribution to natural medicine and humanity is bringing forward the concept of drainage and really holding steadfast that you 24:50 must have open drainage pathways before you start killing. 24:55 Parasites, bacteria, fungus, mold, whatever it is, mycotoxins, wherever you're trying to kill or bind before you start binding heavy metals,
Drainage Pathways Before Binding 25:04 before your start finding glyphosate, or you starting binding mycotoxin, you better have an out passage to get it out, otherwise you are recirculating 25:11 and causing more damage. 25:18 And of course, we know when it recirculates, it's called a Herxheimer reaction, right? 25:22 And I had dropped a lot of people in the beginning when I was very first trying this out. 25:28 I caused a lotta Herkheimer reactions, and I'm very sorry for that. 25:33 They never called me back, they left my programs, I made them feel worse, but I learned, that doesn't happen anymore. 25:41 So we actually, before I will ever even attempt to kill a pathogen or do any type of heavy detoxing, it is a bare minimum that people need to be on drainage 25:57 support for a month before they even start. 25:59 And people want stuff quick, right? 26:01 I want it fast. 26:03 I want to feel better fast. 26:04 Well, trust me, the drainage makes you feel amazing. 26:06 It's usually people's favorite phase in anything we do because they were feeling like crap, low energy, brain foggy, and now all of a sudden we're getting 26:15 them pooping, we are getting their lymphatic system flowing, were getting there liver working better. 26:20 And everything starts feeling better before we start, right? 26:23 That's where they love. 26:24 That is like the honeymoon phase before you start actually doing the deep work. 26:29 So you touched on something earlier too. 26:31 So obviously when you're addressing, let's just look specifically at mold and mycotoxins, right? 26:36 You addressed a lot of the other toxin and toxic burden with heavy metals and environmental toxins. 26:43 But the binder is critically important. 26:47 You obviously utilize, you know, facilitate drainage pathways, making sure they're pooping, make sure you reference lymphatics, 26:54 right, to keep that flowing, kidney and liver function. 27:00 But you also touched on just briefly mitochondria, so why is mitochondrion so critically important? 27:06 Energy is kind of important. 27:09 So it's my favorite thing. 27:10 Why are they important? 27:11 So any time, and I want to explain this in a way that just makes sense to people. 27:17 So anytime that you're asking your body to do something above and beyond the status quo. 27:22 The status quote would be going about your usual day, the normal routine that do. 27:28 You've adapted to be able to have energy to that. 27:31 the moment that your ask your to start repairing damaged tissues to to start escorting mycotoxins out of the body or any other toxins that I mentioned 27:43 just a moment ago, that is going to cause you to have a higher energy demand. 27:48 There is a cost for repair, there is cost to kill microbes, and there's a costs to move them out the of body. 27:57 And you got to pay with mitochondria energy. 27:59 Yeah, that's the currency, right? 28:01 It's a currency. 28:02 So this is why it is so important that you work with a practitioner who not only opens your drainage pathways, but supports your mitochondria energy production 28:13 right along with your protocols. 28:16 If that is missing, you will probably have a long hard road of recovery and you won't have the cellular energy you need to be able to fully repair and recover. 28:27 And I don't think anybody goes into any functional medicine protocol wanting kind of a partial result. 28:35 Everybody wants long-term permanent improvement and solutions. 28:41 So you have to have mitochondria energy on board. 28:43 And I think that's the easiest way to explain it without getting into technical science. 28:47 Oh, I agree. 28:48 I, think bottom line is the function of that organ gland cell is only as good as its level of energy. 28:58 Yeah. 28:59 I mean, I love the way you put that with, you know, to heal requires energy.
Mitochondria and Detox Energy Demand 29:06 to clear toxins requires energy. 29:09 Anytime you're putting an additional demand, which detoxification is a demand on the body. 29:16 And so the power of supporting the mitochondria within the liver, within kidneys, with the digestive system, supporting that mitochondrial currency is 29:28 critically important. 29:29 You know, Drew, I didn't have a single lecture on supporting mitochondria energy in my nurse practitioner training. 29:40 I'm pretty sure the only time we ever talked about it was in the prerequisites courses where you're learning pathophysiology and anatomy in human body. 29:49 That's when we talked mitochondrial but never supporting my mitochondrion as a part of restoring health. 29:58 Yeah. 29:58 Or thinking, you know, with clinically diagnosed mitochondrial dysfunction, right? 30:05 There are some conditions that are clinically-diagnosed from an allopathic perspective as this is a mitochondria dysfunction disorder. 30:13 I was lecturing at a conference several years back and it was heavily medical doctors. 30:18 And I said right at the beginning of them, of the lecture, by a show of hands, how many of you are MDs? 30:25 I knew the audience. 30:26 I know probably 85%. And they raised their hands and I said, I'm taking away your MD credentials and replacing them. 30:33 And you saw this stern look like, no, you're not. 30:37 You're still MD's, but you should all be mitochondrial doctors. 30:42 They all loved it. 30:44 Oh, this is fantastic. 30:45 I think it's a foundational piece that we have to, again, support the mitochondria before we move into any of the other physiological pathways. 30:58 We could talk about this. 30:59 Unfortunately, we are running short on time, but I want to know, like just in your years of experience now, how has working with some of these mold and 31:10 mycotoxin patients really changed your view on chronic illness itself, right? 31:15 In other words, is mold in our mycotoxins Sometimes the disease or is it the stressor that exposes weaknesses in the patient's terrain? 31:28 Right? 31:29 Is it? 31:31 I think. 31:33 At least what I've experienced in practice is that mold can be the final insult that tips a totally overburdened system and crashes people. 31:47 And this is why, and I teach this wholeheartedly in my programs, This is why simply removing the mold doesn't always, or simply, 31:59 removing them mycotoxin, so removing mold from the environment or removing mycotoxins from body, does not always immediately restore health. 32:09 Because there was already an overburdened system, there were already other underlying problems. 32:15 There were nutrient deficiencies, mitochondria energy decline, maybe co-infections along with You know this micro toxin problem maybe that parasites maybe 32:28 they have bacterial infections or fungus so. 32:31 This is kinda what i see is that it's a i know everybody wants a quick like fix this really fast you have to unburden the body with the micro toxins. 32:42 but then know that there's a road of recovery ahead of you to solve all the other problems that were already there that we're part of that kind of resilience bucket. 32:52 And once that mycotoxin came in, it pushed you over the edge. 32:55 So I think really that's what I've seen is that getting mycotoxins out of the body is one thing.
Mold as the Final Insult in Chronic Illness 33:01 I mean, I can show it over and over again on a test that they're gone. 33:06 Like we can do a protocol and the test can that that micro toxin is gone, But people say, I still don't feel like I want to feel that's because we still 33:17 have to work with all the other systems in the body that were affected even prior to the mycotoxin exposure. 33:24 So what I'm hearing you saying is sequence matters. 33:29 Yeah. 33:29 Right. 33:30 There has to be a sequence in how you're addressing. 33:35 I mean, human physiology follows sequences, follows patterns. 33:39 So even your reversal of that follows a very strategic sequence. 33:45 It does. 33:46 And I would say, yes, there's a sequence for the body. 33:49 Also, you've got to get it out of your home. 33:52 I can't tell you how often people don't want to test their homes. 33:57 It's very emotional thing. 34:00 This is your safe place, your haven, and your beloved home, this is where you want a return to when you have been away for too long. 34:08 You want go back to that safe that's your And it almost is like to find a betrayal like mold in your home that's creating mycotoxins that are making you sick. 34:19 People don't want to fine it and then they don' t want the expense of correcting it. 34:24 But I can tell you over and over again, I see this, people will go through a mold protocol for their body. 34:31 They'll go though a mycotoxin removal protocol. 34:34 and then they'll retest and see it's still there. 34:37 Okay, I'll go check my house. 34:39 Boom, it was there and they could have saved themselves so much time and money and effort if they just would have went seeking it simultaneously. 34:49 As soon as you get that toxin test that shows you've got mycotoxins, test your home. 34:54 It is the absolute next logical step, but it is so hard to get people to do it. 34:58 Yeah, it is. 34:59 It's like you said, It is very emotional. 35:01 The cost of remediation is not cheap, but the cost illness is also not. 35:07 Well it's way more expensive. 35:09 I always ask, what is this costing you? 35:14 What is it costing in your relationships, in hobbies, in your job, your career, in all aspects of your life, and there is a massive cost to not solving this. 35:36 I want you to think, because we have practitioners that are tuning into this. 35:41 We have patients that aren't tuning in to this for the person who is listening right now, who has been sick for years or the practitioner that is dealing 35:51 with those sick patients. 35:53 who many of them have seen multiple practitioners, right? 35:57 They've gone through. 35:58 I know, I think your statistic is your average patient has seen almost 10 other practitioners. 36:05 Yeah, easy. 36:06 Like five to 10 practitioners easy, yeah. 36:09 So they've seen all those other practitioners, they're starting to wonder maybe mold and mycotoxin, you know, biotoxic illness could be part of their story. 36:22 What do you want to tell them now? 36:24 Well, I want to tell you that don't give up. 36:28 I don t want you to get frustrated because you haven't found it yet. 36:31 And this is something I do in my community all the time. 36:34 You know, we get on Zoom and we have our chat and I will always I never want I haven't figured it out yet. 36:43 And so there is help for you out there. 36:45 There is a practitioner who can understand how to help you. 36:48 I always explain to Drew that the human body, if we think about one thing we do in our family is we put together, we'll get a thousand piece puzzle and 36:59 we will all work on it together over four or five days when we're all together for the holidays or whatever.
Hope, Puzzle Pieces, and Closing Thoughts 37:04 And I want you to think about putting that puzzle together. 37:07 A lot of people are picking up one puzzle piece and trying to find where it goes, and then put it down and walk away in frustration. 37:15 And usually, it's not one thing that's going to solve this for you. 37:20 There's usually several pieces that fit together, And once you think, about it, when you're making that Puzzle and you start getting a part of it going 37:27 and You start seeing, oh, there it is coming together! 37:31 And that is when health starts to transform. 37:33 So you just haven't found your right puzzle pieces yet, is what I would say. 37:36 And I'm willing to bet a lot of people listening right now probably haven' supported mitochondria, probably have an open drainage before they started to 37:45 bind and started try to... 37:46 I mean, yeah, getting in a sauna is great to move toxins out of your body, mycotoxins, but don't do it if your drainage pathways aren't open. 37:53 If they have nowhere to go. 37:54 Yeah. 37:55 sick. 37:56 So yeah, that's what I would say is please don't give up. 37:59 Have hope. 38:01 I have seen people in the depths of despair with their health. 38:08 Completely reverse completely eliminate their symptoms and go on to live strong healthy lives. 38:14 It is absolutely possible I know you've seen the same thing Absolutely. 38:18 Yeah, I love I just have to say I loved that puzzle, you know one I Love this story my family. 38:24 We always do a puzzle at Christmas time as well Get out the foam board put all the pieces on there so we can transfer it and And then somebody stays up 38:33 till two in the morning and you wake up, you're like, who did that? 38:36 Somebody did this whole section without me. 38:38 That's normally this guy. 38:40 I get obsessed and I'm like I just got to finish this. 38:42 My husband and then we wake and we're all mad at him. 38:45 Yeah, right. 38:45 And I usually leave the one piece for the other person to feel good that they finished the puzzle. 38:51 Okay, that's nice of you. 38:52 I think there's a beautiful analogy, though, in that puzzle, because you talk about finding all the pieces, is what do we also do, 38:59 most of us, when we build a puzzle? 39:01 We do the outer edges first. 39:03 We build the framework, we built the foundation. 39:06 So that what you do so beautifully in your program is It's the box, right? 39:12 And then it's moving the pieces within that framework. 39:16 So that is amazing. 39:17 Find your corner pieces first. 39:19 What's that? 39:20 Find Your Corner Pieces First, everybody. 39:22 Right, exactly. 39:23 Yeah, because you know there's only four of them. 39:25 That's right. 39:26 Easiest ones to find. 39:27 Yeah. 39:28 Well, Laura, thank you so much for taking the time to be on the Healing Terrain podcast today. 39:34 Thank you, so, much, for the incredible work that you do. 39:39 You just, I mean, your heart of serving people is amazing. 39:43 And so thank, you keep up the, incredible, work and thank. 39:48 you for supporting all of us with the healing terrain podcast. 39:52 Thank you. 39:52 Thanks for listening to The Healing Terrain. 39:55 If this episode challenged the way you think about health and healing, please follow, share and leave a review. 40:01 It helps more practitioners and curious listeners discover the conversations shaping the future of foundational medicine.
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