Full Transcript Introduction and podcast disclaimer 0:00 The seventh point is if you do get a concerning result, don't panic. 0:05 That's when you reach out to those professionals, maybe get an inspector out, to find out the sources, why it's reoccurring and fix those problems. 0:14 Trying to do remediations without getting to the root cause of mold problems, which is generally moisture related. 0:20 It's just wasting time and money. 0:24 You've tried everything. 0:25 You changed your diet, you've detoxed, and you even moved homes. 0:28 And yet you still feel sick. 0:30 Headaches, brain fog, fatigue that no one can explain. 0:34 What if it's not you? 0:36 What is your environment? 0:37 Welcome to Mold Microtoxins and More. 0:39 I'm John Bowie. 0:41 Each week I sit down with experts uncovering how mold, microtuxins, environmental exposures affect your health and what real recovery looks like. 0:49 Let's get into today's conversation. 0:52 The information provided on the Mold Pros Podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, 0:59 diagnosis, or treatment. 1:01 Listening to the podcast does not create a doctor-patient or professional-client relationship between you and the Podcast host, 1:07 guest, and Mould Pros. 1:08 The content shared should not be used as a substitute for professional medical advise, diagnoses, treatment, And always seek the medical advice of your 1:16 physician or qualified healthcare provider with any questions you may have regarding the medial condition, potential mold exposure, 1:22 or health concerns. 1:24 Never disregard professional medical advise or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast. 1:29 And while we strive to provide accurate and up-to-date information, we make no representations or warranties of any kind, 1:35 expressed or implied, about the completeness, accuracy, reliability, and suitability of all the information discussed. 1:41 A guest's experience and outcomes discussed on this podcast are individual cases and should not be considered typical results. 1:46 Your situation may differ significantly. 1:50 As always, if you think you have a medical emergency, call your doctor or 911 immediately. 1:55 By listening to the Mold Pros podcast, you acknowledge that you understood this disclosure. 2:00 Welcome to Mould Microtoxins and More. 2:02 I'm your host, John Bodie, co-founder of the mold pros. 2:06 Today we're going to do something a little bit different from our regular episodes. 2:10 Instead of having a health care provider or another environmental industry expert as a guest, we are going begin a series of episodes to discuss the different 2:20 types of DYI mold tests that are available to consumers. 2:24 And we will start the series beginning with the HertzMe2 test. 2:28 A mold testing method that's become incredibly popular in the mold illness community, especially among practitioners treating Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, 2:38 or SIRS for short. 2:40 But like any diagnostic tool, it has both its strengths and it some significant limitations. 2:47 So we'll break down what this test is, how it works, we will break it down the pros, the cons, and also when it makes sense to use it. 2:56 So whether you're a homeowner, a patient, or a healthcare provider, this episode will help you make informed decisions about this testing options.
What HERTSMI-2 is and how it works 3:06 So, let's start with HERTSME2. 3:10 What it stands for is, HERTsME 2 stands the health effects roster of type-specific formers of mycotoxins and inflammogens, 3:20 second version. 3:21 That is a real mouthful. 3:24 The test was developed by Dr. 3:26 Richie Shoemaker, the physician who created the diagnostic criteria for Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome or SERS. 3:33 The tests analyzes dust samples from your home to detect DNA from five specific molds called the Big Five. 3:41 Those Big 5 mold species are Aspergillus penicilloides, which is a xerophilic or dry-loving mold, that can thrive in environments that has higher humidity. 3:54 It doesn't need a lot of water to thrive. 3:58 The second is another aspergillus species, it's Aspergilus versicolor, which is a xerophilic mold as well, and it produces some pretty potent mycotoxins. 4:09 the third mold on the list is Cotomium globesin, Which is hydrophilics or water-loving mold. 4:17 that's commonly found in water damaged drywall and other water damage building materials. 4:23 The fourth species is Stachybotrys chartrum or what people oftentimes call black mold. 4:30 It is also a hydrophilic mold similar to cotomium and it needs a lot of water to thrive. 4:35 So we're thinking water leaks, some pump failures, that sort of thing, storm damage, And the fifth is Willemia sedi, which is a very common outdoor mold. 4:50 It is also a dry loving or xerophilic mold, so the panel has five species, three are xerofilics or dry-loving molds, two are hydrophilics, 5:01 or water loving molds. 5:04 The analytical method is MSQPCR, which stands for Mold-Specific Quantitative Polymerase Chain Reactions. 5:14 That is a DNA technology similar to what's used in an EMA test or an ARMY test, if you're familiar with those. 5:23 But unlike an ERME test, the HERDS-B2 focuses only on those five. 5:28 The ERMe test uses PCR and has 36 fungal species listed. 5:37 What makes the Hertz B2 scoring methodology a little unique is that each mold is assigned a point total based upon the concentrations detected. 5:48 So these scores add up to a total Hertz-B2 score. 5:52 And the ranges for those scores are put into three buckets. 5:57 The first is below 10, which is considered generally safe for re-occupancy for service patients. 6:04 And then we have an above 15, which would indicate a significant problem, especially for sensitive individuals with SERS. 6:14 And, then, we had this kind of gray area between 10 and 15 which requires additional investigation or assessment. 6:25 The sampling for HRSP-2, it's really pretty easy. 6:29 It's simply a dust collection method. 6:32 can collect it either with a vacuum canister or oftentimes sterile medical swabs are used, or even an electrostatic Swiffer comes in some of the kits from 6:42 the labs. 6:44 So once you take your samples, you send it off to the lab. 6:47 You get the results back usually within two weeks. 6:51 If you need something quicker, I think most of labs will have an expedited service that you can pay more for to get results at a shorter amount of time. 7:00 So that's kind of overall what the Hertz B2 test is. 7:04 Now let's tear into some of the strengths of a test and why it's so popular. 7:11 First and foremost, I guess the number one strength is that it's really that expensive for a PCR test. 7:19 So you should pay less than $300 for the test, so it should be $100 or $150 less that a full army test so those that are on a tight budget, 7:31 but you want the PCR sampling data, which is really sensitive type of sampling or analysis, it's a great price point for that. 7:45 The second strength of it is, really, what the test was designed for. 7:48 It's designed or developed specifically for SIRS patients. 7:53 So Dr. 7:54 Shoemaker developed the scoring methodology based on over 1,000 ERMI tests correlated with patient outcomes. 8:02 So it's designed to specifically answer, is this building safe for someone recovering from SIRS? 8:08 And according to Dr. 8:09 Shoemaker, a HERTSME2 score below 10, those occupants had a 97% accuracy in predicting a safe reentry for SERS patients. 8:22 That's what the test is. 8:23 It tells you, you know, if you're below that 10%, you have a high likelihood of recovery and going back into the home. 8:32 The third strength for the test is since it's a dust collection, it can provide more of a historical view of what's occurred in the structure. 8:42 Bio aerosol or air sampling is simply a, you know, kind of snapshot in time, what is going on inside of the home. 8:50 Whereas dust collections reflects, weeks, months, or maybe even years of exposure, depending upon where you collect that dust from. 8:59 And that dust actually acts like a time capsule of your indoor environment, capturing what's settled when mold spores released.
Strengths of HERTSMI-2 testing 9:07 And it can capture that even when you're outside of a sporulation cycle, because it kind of gives you that look back period. 9:13 So that's something that all PCR dust sampling has as a strength. 9:21 I think the fourth strength of a hurts me too, is that it's really simple to interpret the data. 9:28 Um, you know, an army test has 36 fungal species broken down into two categories. 9:34 And then you have to subtract category two from category one to get your total score. 9:40 Well, it hurts. 9:40 Me too. 9:40 It gives you just one number to look at with clear benchmarks. 9:43 So you're looking for that total. 9:45 Score ideally to be below a 10. You know on that army tests. 9:52 Those are the pros or the strengths of the test. 9:55 Now, let's dig into some of these cons or limitations of this test, and I think these are really important to understand. 10:01 Obviously, number one, it's a deep test in that its PCR gets down to the species level, but it is very limited. 10:09 It only has five species, and certainly why the big five are important, they're not the only problematic molds that exist. 10:18 I'll give you an example. 10:19 So, penicillium species can produce mycotoxins, you know, such as ochratoxin A, that's one of the most common mycotoxin found in humans with mold illness, 10:29 but there isn't a penicellium specie on that panel. 10:34 Fusarium is lacking, trichoderma isn t on the panel, And also other penicillium species besides the two are not on that panel. 10:44 One glaring omission is Aspergillus fumigatus. 10:48 And in my opinion, this is a major oversight of the test. 10:52 Fumigatis is one of most common and dangerous Aspargilla species for human health, but it's not in the panel So there have been studies that show fumigotus 11:02 can cause invasive aspergillosis in immunocompromised individuals. 11:06 In certain groups, that fumugotous can actually has a 20% mortality rate in certain populations. 11:14 So that's a pretty significant mold, in my opinion. 11:18 and it's estimated to affect about 4.8 million people worldwide with allergic brachial pulmonary aspergillosis, primarily in asthma or cystic fibrosis patients, 11:31 and that can cause permanent airway damage. 11:34 And fumigotus can also produce microglycans, such as gliotoxins, which are an immunosuppressive mycotoxin. 11:43 So you have the significant contamination through fumigatus that can pose serious health risks, especially for certain individuals, 11:52 you know, that are immunocompromised or asthmatic, et cetera. 11:56 And you can actually wind up with a very low Hertz B2 score because that species isn't on the list. 12:02 It's not tested for. 12:04 So a negative would be that the hurts me too could give you a false reassurance that there isn't a problem in your home when it's not looking for these 12:13 other molds. 12:15 So that's that number one. 12:18 Number two is the actual species listed on the panel. 12:21 There's discussion around environmental professionals. 12:24 Some have some serious concerns about three of the species on. 12:27 The panel Wallemia, for example, is primarily an outdoor mold. 12:33 And elevated levels on your HERTSME2 test could actually just be a reflection of outdoor air filtration getting into the home and not necessarily will 12:43 leave me a growth inside the hole. 12:45 But since there is an exterior baseline, it's really difficult to understand what's coming in through natural air exchange as part of the normal fungal 12:54 ecology in your area versus what could be bold growth in the house. 13:00 Aspergillus penicilloides is a xerophilic mold, as we mentioned. 13:04 It loves dry environments and it's pretty ubiquitous. 13:08 Its found everywhere. 13:10 Same thing. 13:11 Is it coming from outside the home or inside the house? 13:14 And then you have aspergilus versicolor. 13:17 Those spores, they kind of link up or chain together. 13:20 And so that test is going to measure the amount of DNA from an organism so One organism could be 10 spores or it could 100 spore. 13:31 And so it's a common thought is that really on a hurts me too. 13:37 You're looking for two reliable indicators of water damage and that's going to be the cotomium and the saccabotrous molds. 13:44 As we mentioned, those are hydrophilic molds that require a lot of. 13:48 Water in order to thrive, not just high humidity. 13:51 You've cleaned, repainted, and replaced filters. 13:54 And still, you're not getting better. 13:56 Headache, fatigue, brain fog? 13:59 The doctors can't explain it, but your environment can. 14:02 At The Mold Pros, we specialize in uncovering what's hidden in plain sight. 14:06 Our environmental testing looks beyond surface mold, identifying bacteria, volatile organic compounds, even microtoxins in the air that you breathe. 14:16 Then we correlate those results with your clinical data, showing how your space may be affecting your health. 14:22 Next, we use our patented remediation process to safely remove toxins, restore balance, and prevent them from returning. 14:30 It's more than just a cleanup. 14:31 it's a science-based system designed to help your body heal by healing the environment first. 14:37 If you're ready to breathe freely again, visit themoldpros.com and schedule your free consultation. 14:44 Because wellness doesn't start in the doctor's office. 14:47 It starts where you live. 14:49 Another negative or con to the test is that it is a DNA test. 14:54 And as with all DNA tests, it's going to tell you if mold DNA is present.
Limitations and blind spots of the test 15:00 it doesn' tell if that mold is viable or whether it means whether its alive or growing. 15:07 So you could have a situation where there's dead mold from past problems that leave mold DNA in the dust for months or years. 15:14 And that high score doesn't really tell you if you have current problem or if it's just historical stuff that maybe got missed in their mediation process or, 15:23 you know, the contamination issues since been resolved. 15:28 The EPA explicitly states that DNA tests measure the potential not definitive whether you have current mold growth. 15:38 So that's important to understand. 15:42 The fourth issue that can occur with, and this goes with any sort of dust collection sampling that hurts me to include it, 15:51 is that the sampling methodology, how the samples taken can directly impact your results. 15:59 And it's really difficult to standardize that perfectly. 16:02 I give you an example. 16:04 So the amount of pressure you use whenever you're wiping the surface, the texture of the service being sampled. 16:13 If you are sampling from an area that hadn't been cleaned recently, those all create variability in that sample. 16:21 Even so much as the surface, if you're sampling from a painted surface that can impact it, whether it's a high gloss paint versus a matte finish. 16:30 That can actually impact your sampling results. 16:34 And if go to a sampling location that hadn't been cleaned regularly, we have a lot of people who would sample underneath the refrigerator. 16:43 Or maybe you sample from a bookshelf that's really high that, you know, doesn't get dusted frequently. 16:48 Well, that can be problematic because it really introduces sampling bias. 16:53 Since these areas have settled mold spores that haven't been treated in a long time or cleaned in the long-time. 17:00 So you really you're pulling up an accumulation of mold sports that have accumulated for years. 17:05 Not not what's truly ongoing inside the home. 17:09 The fifth con for negative is that Sometimes folks will take a sample, a Hertz B2 sample to determine what's going on in their home. 17:20 And one sample doesn't really tell you the whole story. 17:24 So a living room sample. 17:25 Doesn't tell ya what is going your bedroom or your bathroom or maybe your basement. 17:29 It's surely not your HVAC system. 17:32 Sometimes both problems are just localized. 17:36 Treating one Hertz-B2 score as either a pass or a fail for your entire home is a mistake. 17:43 The sixth item that we would bring up is that it hurts me to test doesn't replace a professional inspection. 17:52 So what you want to understand is, you know, we have the issue there. 17:58 So a HIRS-V2 test doesn't tell you what the moisture sources are. 18:03 It certainly doesn' t do a visible inspection to find visible mold growth. 18:09 Doesn't check inside your HVAC system. 18:10 I doesn t check the inside of walls. 18:14 So, you know, I've seen over the years, homes that have a very low, hurts me to score, uh, they actually have visible mold growth in the bathroom or they 18:23 may have water stains in this ceiling or have condensation problems. 18:27 Well, the test has missed it because the samples were either collected in a different location or it was, You know the mold, 18:35 growth that we had was different from the five species that's listed on the hurts. 18:40 Me to test. 18:43 The seventh issue or challenge with the HERTS-Me2 test is that it doesn't really detect mycotoxins. 18:52 Even though the N in HERTs-me2 stands for mycotoxin, really all it's testing for is mold DNA only. 18:59 There is no mycoptoxin component of the testing analysis. 19:05 And molds can produce varying mycotoxin amounts depending upon certain environmental conditions. 19:10 So if you're concerned with mycotoxins, there are other alternatives like an EMA test that actually can test for both the mold species using polymerase 19:23 chain reaction, and will actually test from mycoptoxins to see if it's theirs. 19:27 If mycontoxine exposure is concerned, maybe the Hertz B2 is not for you. 19:34 The other negative is actually tied to one of its strengths, that score. 19:42 It's easy to understand what the score is. 19:47 As Dr. 19:49 Shoemaker's studies have indicated, being below 10, not 100% are going to recover. 19:56 And so these magic numbers, that below ten is safe and above 15 is dangerous, it comes from research and service patients who had already been diagnosed 20:05 and treated. 20:07 And it doesn't cover or provide a lot of guidance for that tweener area, that 11, 12, 13, 14 bucket that oftentimes these results can fall into. 20:21 So a tin may not be safe for an individual because that safe becomes highly individualized, you know, the reaction to the molens and the structure. 20:35 And number nine, there's limited peer review validation of the hurts me to test while it's based on research presented at conferences, 20:44 really the peer view literature validating it. 20:48 The methodology is limited in mainstream journals. 20:51 The primary validation comes from Dr. 20:53 Shoemaker's own research and the clinical community that follow his protocols. 20:58 So that's the big, you know, the top nine. 21:02 The last kind that I'll list is that it really shouldn't be used alone to determine the fungal ecology of a structure. 21:13 It should be used in combination with a professional visual inspection that includes a moisture assessment and includes an HVAC assessment, 21:23 and also in conjunction with the patient's symptoms and a medical evaluation. 21:29 And then there's most likely should be additional testing that's required, whether it's intra cavity sampling, mycotoxin sampling direct microscopy sampling 21:39 other types of sampling protocols. 21:42 So making a major decision based solely on the hurts me to could be a really risky proposition. 21:48 Given all these pros and cons, there are times when it hurts. 21:51 Me to test makes sense. 21:54 I would say that the best use cases for HerbSpring II, number one, is going to be as a post-remediation verification for a CSRS patient. 22:04 So after the remediation has been done and you're a service patient, going in and understanding whether the big five have been addressed is pretty important. 22:17 If you're going to do that, we have some recommendations on how that should be done. 22:21 So you don't want to come in the day after the remediation and do a post-test. 22:26 You want wait for about two weeks to allow enough dust to re-accumulate. 22:31 That way you have a valid sample. 22:33 And where you sample, as we talked about, is pretty important. 22:37 We recommend if you a central heat and air system, Sample from your HVAC filter. 22:44 Make sure that a new filter was installed right after the remediation, but sample from that HvAC Filter. 22:50 What this does is it not only gives you a good understanding of what the inhalation risk is of the occupants, But it can also eliminate some of that dust 23:00 sampling bias that comes along with sampling in certain locations. 23:05 Generally, your return is going to pull air from all over the house and will capture a lot of So if you're working with a Sears knowledgeable practitioner 23:16 and you've been diagnosed with SIRS, the HRSP-2 was specifically designed for that situation and help you make those use as a guideline for re-occupancy. 23:29 The second scenario is if you're budget conscious and your resources are very limited, but you still want that PCR data to kind of start with. 23:38 As long as you understand you are getting limited information, it's a very narrow test, then you can use it for that. 23:46 But there are, in my opinion, some better alternatives. 23:48 So let's cover some of that So big fan of polymerase chain reaction analysis. 23:55 It's the most sensitive that's out there. 23:59 All PCR tests have some limitations, but if you're going to get a Hertz Me2, maybe spend a little bit extra money and get the ERMI panel. 24:08 So it shouldn't cost you that much more. 24:10 Instead of only five species, you wind up getting a panel of 36 species. 24:15 And you can actually get Hertz me to score if your looking for that information. 24:20 from your ERMI results. 24:22 There are several calculators online that can help you out once you plug in your numbers and they'll get you that that hurts me to score. 24:29 Another great DIY option is that if you're concerned, as I mentioned, with microtoxin exposure, again, it's a little bit more money than a hurts-me-too, 24:41 but get that environmental mold and microtoxin testing so it will have that PCR component It'll narrow down to usually just toxigenic or pathogenic species 24:52 of molds. 24:53 And then it actually tests for the microtoxins themselves. 24:56 If you have a clinical mycotoxin test you've done through your healthcare provider, you can kind of match those two things up.
When HERTSMI-2 makes sense to use 25:03 What's going on in the home, what's gone on the body. 25:05 So that's it. 25:06 That's a great DIY test to run. 25:10 Thirdly, if you're going to. 25:13 With the hurts me too. 25:16 The why is so important, and especially if you have a health concern. 25:20 So we'd recommend getting a qualified indoor environmental professional to do a thorough inspection in the home from a moisture standpoint. 25:30 They can oftentimes Not only do a moisture assessment from the exterior of the home, interior of home. 25:36 Inspect the attic, inspect the basement, inspected crawl spaces. 25:40 But also if they say, Hey, listen, there's some additional tests that we'd recommend to help identify really what's going on in your structure. 25:46 They can do that. 25:48 That's what they're trained to do. 25:50 And that's why you're paying them for. 25:52 Um, and the fourth is kind of a combination of all those things. 25:55 So. 25:57 Get a good visual inspection, get a moisture assessment, and get that tardy inspection. 26:03 We believe that it's going to be multiple testing types that provide the best overall understanding of the fungal oncology of this structure. 26:14 So it could be PCR as a portion of that. 26:17 Like I said, it creates analytical methods. 26:20 Also it can be some intracavity samples. 26:22 It can surface samples if we see suspected microbial growth. 26:26 inside the structure. 26:29 So don't rely strictly on just one test to make a big decision on your health or on you home. 26:37 Having said that, if you've said, okay, a Hertz B2 is the best test for me, I will give you eight actual points or items to get the The first point is 26:51 do a visual inspection first. 26:52 So look for water stains, smell for musty odors, look from visible signs of mold and underneath sinks and bathrooms and wet areas. 27:02 Look for signs a water damage and condensation. 27:06 If you find the obvious problem, fix those first, then go back and do your testing afterwards after everything's been been remediated. 27:17 The second thing, understand your limitations. 27:20 The test is designed to tell you what's going on with these five fungal species. 27:25 in the specific area that you've sampled. 27:27 Nothing more. 27:28 So just understand that. 27:31 And then when you decide to sample, make sure that have a good sampling strategy. 27:37 Sample where you spend most of your time. 27:40 That's going to be where the majority of exposure is. 27:43 As I mentioned, if you have an HVAC filter, that is a great place to simple for any kind of PCR sampling. 27:51 And the fourth item, when you get your results, interpret those results in context. 27:58 So remember, a low score doesn't necessarily guarantee safety. 28:03 And a high score, doesn' necessarily mean that you've cut an immediate crisis. 28:08 So look at the specific molds that are elevated, not just the totals, and consider your symptoms and your individual sensitivities. 28:18 And then that leads us to the fifth point. 28:20 Work with a professional. 28:21 So get a certified mold inspector or remedier involved to help you with the data. 28:28 Get your healthcare provider involved, as long as they're knowledgeable about environmental illness and certainly chronic inflammatory response syndrome. 28:38 The sixth thing we see this happen is don't test too soon. 28:41 Like I said, don' test right after your remediation. 28:45 You need to wait for at least two weeks. 28:47 Let that dust accumulate. 28:49 Otherwise you're going to get a false negative and think that you are resolved when you may not be. 28:57 The seventh point is, if you do get a concerning result, don't panic. 29:02 That's when you reach out to those professionals, maybe get an inspector out, to find out the sources, why it's reoccurring, 29:09 and fix those problems. 29:12 Trying to do remediations without getting to the root cause of mold problems, which is generally moisture related, is just wasting time and money. 29:22 So we'd always recommend that you to that. 29:25 And eighth and finally, if you get low results but have symptoms, remember a low score doesn't necessarily rule out an overall mold problem. 29:35 It just means that those five species are low. 29:39 So it could be that you have issues with molds that aren't on the panel because it's so limited. 29:45 Or it could be that you have species or problems with those five species and areas that didn't sample. 29:52 So that could an issue. 29:54 Or could actually be you don't have a mold problem. 29:56 And maybe if you still have ongoing health issues, it can be bacterially related or it be VOCs or multiple organic compounds.
Best practices and final takeaways 30:04 It also could also be your current situation. 30:10 Your health concerns aren't related to the house that you're in now. 30:13 It could be work or it could, it can be somewhere else. 30:16 So don't let us low score stop from, stop you from further investigations if your systems are persistent. 30:24 so let's wrap up with a few essential points on hurts me to testing. 30:31 Really the bottom line, the Hertz B2 test, it is a useful tool for those that are under the care of a practitioner that is following Dr. 30:39 Shoemaker's protocol strictly. 30:42 It's one piece of data puzzle. 30:46 it's not always the definitive answer.It is cost-effective method for screening and it really designed for helping service patients understand should they 30:59 reoccupy their home. 31:01 So those are the strengths. 31:03 If it falls short, it fall short because it's limited. 31:06 There's a lot of species missing. 31:10 It doesn't test for mycotoxins. 31:12 it doesn' replace a professional inspection to understand the why, the where, there could be problems. 31:18 And it could give you a false sense of security or raise flags kind of unnecessarily. 31:25 So in my professional opinion, there are a couple other tests which may provide more information. 31:30 If you are able to spend a little bit more money, as we talked about, take a look at the army test. 31:37 At least you get 36 species as opposed to the herdsby two, and you can still calculate the score yourself. 31:45 And then get yourself a professional inspector to help out with moisture mapping and that sort of thing. 31:52 They have tools that you may not have, like infrared thermography, moisture meters, hygrometers, borescopes, to really do a thorough investigation that 32:00 most homeowners simply can't do. 32:03 So those are some things that she can do, a HRMSME 2, it can provide some really good data, especially if you're a service patient, 32:11 just understand that it has those limitations. 32:15 Most importantly, no single test tells you if your home is making you sick. 32:20 That's where that good assessment comes in into place. 32:24 Test appropriately, moisten your investigations, talk with your healthcare provider, and follow professional remediation protocols. 32:32 So, final thoughts. 32:35 We understand that working with mold issues, it can really be overwhelming, especially when there's health issues going on. 32:42 And there is a lot of conflicting information about what to do, what not to, do what the best testing options are, and all of them seem to offer simple answers. 32:52 It's just not always that simple. 32:55 The Hertz B2 test is neither a magic bullet nor is it a scam. 32:59 It's a legitimate tool with a specific application with real limit. 33:03 So use it wisely and in combination with other methodologies and always seek medical or guidance from your medical provider or your IEP. 33:15 So whether you're a homeowner, a patient, or a healthcare provider, understanding what this test can do and what it can't do will help you make the best 33:23 decision for indoor air quality in your health. 33:27 So I know that's a lot of information. 33:29 Hopefully it's helpful. 33:30 That's it for today's episode of Mold, Bicotoxins, and More. 33:34 I hope the deep dive has given you a lotta information around HertzMeToo tests that helps you to make best decisions for you and your family and environment. 33:44 If you have questions about mold testing or indoor air quality or environmental illness, we'd love to hear from you. 33:52 If you're a healthcare provider working with mold-sensitive patients, we're always happy to discuss how we can support your patient's needs. 33:59 So check us out at www.themoldpros.com or email us at info at themoldpos. 34:08 com. 34:09 And don't forget to subscribe to this podcast so you don' miss future episodes and make sure to leave us a review. 34:16 We'll continue exploring the science of mold, mycotoxins, and environmental health. 34:20 Until next time, Breathe easy and stay healthy. 34:24 Thank you. 34:27 You've been listening to Mold Microtoxins and More with John Bodie. 34:31 If you're ready to take the next step towards a healthier home, follow the show and visit TheMoldPros.com for your free consultation because clean air 34:39 is the first step to true healing.
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