PEMF: Your Tool For Enhanced Sleep Quality

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Thank you, Dr. Wells. You are very welcome. I look forward to our discussion.

Audrey Wells, MD

I want to start with the basics and just get you to explain what pulse electromagnetic field therapy is and what it isn’t. I just want to connect the dots for people. Exactly how does this work?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Okay. Essentially, what everybody’s heard about and a lot of people are concerned about, of course, is 5G, 10G, or all the other G’s that are in the environment. We call those EMFs, electromagnetic fields. I call them environmental magnetic fields. They are in the environment.

Audrey Wells, MD

I am sorry to interrupt, but is G for Gauss? 

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

No. 

Audrey Wells, MD

Is that the measure? Okay, good. I am glad you clarify it.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Thank you. That is very important, No, it has to do with a generation. It is the fifth generation, the eighth generation, and the 10th generation. It is the signal from, say, cell phones or microwave towers, primarily for communication, wi-fi, and cell phones. 5G is essentially broadcast from the microwave fields to communicate with your cell phone or to communicate with your router in the house, etc. All of that is broadcast in the environment—just radio waves, just television waves, just radar. It goes out into the environment, and it is directed out into the environment now, maybe 360, but it is directed out, and it just goes on forever, essentially until it drops off infinitely small numbers. 

That is designed for a whole different purpose. But it can affect the body. Now everybody’s afraid because it is EMF versus PEMF, which is what we are working with, pulsed electromagnetic fields. In EMF, the difference is that EMF is high-frequency. High frequency is absorbed by the body. That is the principle behind a microwave oven. It is microwaves that are being absorbed into whatever you put into the oven, and they cook it. It is cooking from the inside out through a heating mechanism because of the degree of absorption of the microwave. 

PEMFs are designed in a very different way. They are designed for human use. They are designed by taking a current and passing it through wires. We will go back to the example that we are going to talk about. This is a machine for sleep. This machine produces a current; that current goes through this wire and goes into these coils at the end of the wire, copper coils, and that current flowing into those coils produces a magnetic field. You apply the magnetic field against the body, the brain, or wherever else you want it for sleep, and it goes into the body. Now, this current flowing in here is flowing; say, my thumb is the current direction. Every time the current pulses, a magnetic field gets produced that is perpendicular to the flow of the current. It is always perpendicular. 

But because it pulses, that means that the current is flowing out and back down. It collapses back on itself. As the pulse goes up, the current and the magnetic field go up. But then, as a current pulse dips and drops off, the field collapses. This field is going in and out, but it is a closed loop because it is completely tied to the wire and the energy flowing to that wire. It is designed for human use, understanding the principles of magnetic fields in the body. Now, microwaves, to the extent they penetrate the body, produce similar sorts of actions at the cellular level. 

The major difference is that because they are microwaves, they are absorbed in the heat and cause heating, while therapeutic magnetic fields do not cause any eating. There is always been a debate among scientists. How could they possibly work on biology if they are below a thermal level? It is below the noise level for producing heat in the body. Then it will be infected. However, it has been ruled out and established that magnetic fields that are not heating still have significant biological effects.

Audrey Wells, MD

Can you talk about some of those effects? What I understand so far is that the magnetic field is generated here at the coil and it goes out perpendicular, and then when the pulse ends, it dissipates back. This is the pulse.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

That is the pulse. It is the strongest at the coils. This follows the basic principle that we see in life in general: that light, heat, cold, and sound dissipate very rapidly from the source. In medicine, we use that principle. It is called the inverse square law to calculate a dose of radiation. If you had to inject radiation into the body, you would have to calculate the dose at the depth you were trying to treat. 

At the source of the radiation, you do not need as much radiation because it is much more powerful. But as you get farther and farther away from the source, as you get deeper into the body, across the brain, into a lung, into a kidney, or a valley, then you have to calculate the dose. The dose of this 200 gauss, which is what these are about, is the measure of the magnetic field. That is what gave us a scientific term for it: Tesla, or Milli Tesla, your thousandth of a Tesla. That principle is not as well known in physics as it is in medicine. By the time 200 Gauss is about an inch away, you drop down to maybe 0.2 Gauss. 

Audrey Wells, MD

A logarithmic drop.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

It is logarithmic. Very sharp drop. Then it is not harmful at all. It is not that harmful at all. It is not harmful anyway because of its very low frequency. It goes into the body. It passes through the body as if the body were not even there because it just passes in and out.

Audrey Wells, MD

What is the frequency of the pulse?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

They vary from device to device, depending on the devices that you are using. For example, an MRI machine, which is a magnetic machine as well, writes magnetic resonance imaging. An MRI machine, which people are very familiar with, has what is called a static magnetic field and what is called a radio frequency field. The radio frequency field is moving, and the motion static field is just there. It is a fridge magnet. It is just a very powerful fridge magnet. That is static. The MRI uses both combinations of the two. 

They have the same principle of dropping off energy, and they will have similar sorts of actions in the body to some extent. However, MRI does not pay attention to the therapeutic effects. They pay attention to the diagnostic aspects of it. The magnetic field then, as it passes into the body, is like the wind in the trees. Think of it that way. It is the wind in the trees. You do not know the wind’s there unless you see the leaves moving. That is what you say—that there is action. As it passes through, it is going to start moving ions and start moving tissue—not tissues, but fluids, to some extent—inside the body. That movement is then interacting with a basic principle of physics called Faraday’s Law. The law of induction. 

What happens is that as you move a current, or if you move a magnetic field past anything that has current in it, or if this chart has a charge to it, then you are increasing the flow of charge. Faraday, who discovered this back in the 1800s, took a lightbulb and put it in a circuit. A wire circuit in a loop. A wire loop. He did not have any current flowing in there, but it had a magnetic field, and it pulsed the magnetic field past the wire—not a light bulb, but past the wire. The light bulb would light up. That is because you are inducing charge and reducing energy current, essentially, in anything that is inducible. Ions, calcium, magnesium, all the ions in our bodies, all the electrolytes that are in our bodies, any molecule that has a charge to it, and which molecule in the body does not have a charge to it.

Audrey Wells, MD

There would be none.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

There is nothing.

Audrey Wells, MD

Yes. Anything with a cell wall is going to have polarization.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Exactly.

Audrey Wells, MD

Yes. What are these meant to do, exactly? What are the applications of the PEMF devices?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

This particular device was designed primarily for stimulating the brain. It could be used for a tennis elbow or shoulder problem, if not very strong, to do anything good there. But it can sometimes decrease pain. It could be useful for pain by itself. It could be useful for inflammation. It could be useful for a bug bite. It could be useful for a dental problem. I do have people who use a similar device, but not at this frequency, for their eyes. Trading around the eyes will get on your sinuses, and it will get your eyes as well. This device could be used for that, too. I do not; it is not designed for that specifically, but there is no harm in using it for that. What it might do, though, is put you to sleep.

Audrey Wells, MD

That is a good thing for a lot of people who struggle.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

With that decided, that is probably not a good idea.

Audrey Wells, MD

Well, presumably the folks watching our interview today have some sleep conditions. I am glad that you brought up sleep as a potential application for these devices. But I want to address something straight away about the implantable devices that you mentioned. Some people with sleep apnea elect to pursue treatment with a hypoglossal nerve stimulator device. Currently, the one on the market is called Inspire. It is an implanted device in the upper chest. They implant it on the right side so that the left side is reserved for a pacemaker should you ever need that. Then there is an electrode that is fed up through the neck and into the base of the tongue, where the hypoglossal sits, and produces that forward movement of the tongue during sleep to help keep an open airway. I am curious to know: is this type of implantable device or others a contraindication for using a PEMF device? 

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

In general. We work with people with pacemakers, but we also work with other machines that, if you are using this to the head, to the brain, for example, for sleep, then it is far enough away, most likely that it is not going to cause any significant change or problem where you can run into a problem potentially would be that if the coils move away from your head down into your chest area where the pacemaker is or the Inspire is. The control unit is. It is a possibility that it could interfere. However, most of these devices that were implanted today, 20 years ago, had a different story, but in the last four or five years, they have become what is called MR conditional. Because it is MR conditional, that means that that machine can tolerate 15,000 gauss. We are talking about 200, maximum. I would generally say it is not going to be a problem.

Audrey Wells, MD

I think that it is an important reminder for anybody who does have an implantable Inspired device. It is only recently that it has become acceptable to use the implant in an MRI machine up to 1.5 Tesla. However, the device itself is not able to have an MRI with 3.0 Tesla. Now, I tried this device, and I thank you very much for sending me the sample. I have the device, which I tried at home. 

I want to start by saying that I am a DIY person. I want to get my hands on CPAP masks on the best bed sheets, which are fun, and all the devices that are meant to improve sleep to see if there is any improvement, to find out if it works, and also to confirm that there is no detriment or problem with the device itself. I used the cover that was provided in the kit, put the coils inside it, and then positioned it on my pillow. Now I am a back sleeper. That is the best way to avoid wrinkles for anybody who is keeping score at home.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Not very good for sleep apnea.

Audrey Wells, MD

The coils were at the base of my skull. I did notice that when I was moving during sleep, the coils would move with me. At times, they were just working their way around the pillow or coming away from my head. What things do you suggest to keep that application where it is meant to be directed? Even though you are moving unconsciously during your sleep.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

You have it inside on top of the pillow. Inside the pillow cover.

Audrey Wells, MD

I did not put it inside the pillow cover, but I thought of that. I also thought of pinning it or somehow making it more stable.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

You could do that. I usually recommend putting it on top of the pillow. Inside the pillow cover.

Audrey Wells, MD

Inside. Got it.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

That means your head, as you move your head around, is not going to move a whole lot. It will stay pretty well in place. That little pouch is. It has a velvety feel to it. 

Audrey Wells, MD

It does, yes. 

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Having a little bit of resistance to even silk sheets. 

Audrey Wells, MD

I can do that. Yes. 

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Pillowcases. The other aspect of this is called an Audio Magnetic Entrainment Device. The name is called the Xpulser DEEP Sleep Tuner. DEEP Sleep AME Tuner. Deep is in capital letters. It stands for Delta Enhanced Entrainment Program. It is Delta-enhanced. Now we are trying to enhance delta in your brain, and it trains the brain. It causes the brain to listen to it, and the brain’s frequencies begin to go quiet. That is how this was designed. Then you put it on your pillow cover inside the pillow; the audio from this is part of the treatment. 

It is audio-magnetic entrainment, and we have audio-visual entrainment. We have audio entrainment, visual entrainment, and all kinds of entrainment out there that are available. This is audio magnetic; it is unique audio magnetic. That means that your brain is getting that magnetic field. But at the same time, you are hearing the sound of clicking, and the clicking sound is at a very slow pace, which is at the same rate as the delta waves in your brain.

Audrey Wells, MD

I wonder if we could demonstrate that I will turn on the device. Or maybe you can. I may let the battery run low, but I do remember hearing a tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. A little, tiny noise is coming from the device.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

But I do not know if the speaker could pick it up. I needed an amplifier. But as you say, it is a tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. There are three pulses per second. It is relatively fast—faster than I am speaking. You are hearing it, especially at night when you do not have other sounds but you have your head on your pillow, you are going to hear it. Benefit then not only the audio part of this but also the magnetic field component of it.

Audrey Wells, MD

Got it. What results should one expect if they are using this? Again, I just want to confirm it is meant to go to the base of the brain. Is that?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, you could put it anywhere you want. You want it; you want to be able to hear it at least. The value of putting it on your pillow is that you are going to center your head over it. You will hear the sound you may not feel. Very sensitive people may feel a little field moving in and out of their brains. But it is barely noticeable because it is not that high in intensity. It is a whisper in a sense, coaxing your brain into these frequencies so that that is all you are going to feel. 

If the audio helps you to orient your head to the magnetic field as you lay on it, you hear it. The good thing is that once you get the entrainment going when you first lay down, you have your heart rate over. You can hear the sound louder. Then the brain starts to get trained. As you move away from it, you hear the sound less and less. What you do subconsciously is begin to move back over the coil, which then engages both the audio portion of that and the magnetic field portion of that.

During the night, you are going to be moving around, but you are always going to find yourself drifting back to the sound that is going to be your anchor. That keeps the entrainment going. Once you have been trained; even if you move farther away from it, you are still going to be, in a sense, captured by the signal. The way I usually describe this is as an analog radio dial. I do not know people who are listening; I never did analog radio.

Audrey Wells, MD

I know exactly what you are talking about. We are both dating ourselves now.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

We are, but I will explain it anyway. When you have an analog dial, unlike our current radios, they have a specific signal at every channel, and you can tune the channel. You go back to that particular frequency. What it does is set it at a specific frequency, and that is the frequency of the radio station or the TV station. What we are doing is moving from one frequency to another, and as you are coming into the frequency, in this case, it is hertz, as you are coming into that frequency, you start to hear static because now you are picking up some of the frequency of the edges of it. 

As you start to get close to the actual frequency that you are looking for, it becomes quite loud, very sharp, very clear, and very distinct. Our brains are tuners effectively. You could also say that brains are transmitters, but we will not get into that. Our brains are tuners. When you present the brain with a signal, tune it to that region of the brain at that particular frequency and lock it in, and once you lock in that radio signal, it gets loud. How you are locking it in is clear now, but at the same time, it starts to get a little bit louder because now you are locked in, it is not shifting or changing, and the electronics can capture and keep that signal. The brain is doing effectively the same thing.

Audrey Wells, MD

Who is going to benefit from this type of therapy?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, it is primarily designed for sleep, and it may be able to be helpful for other problems locally. But we do have to be careful again when driving. When you are doing this on the body. That frequency is going to be in your body, and it can end up going to your brain to some extent, but it can slow down for particularly sensitive people. They may slow down the rate at which they act, so do not use them while you are driving or operating dangerous equipment. 

Otherwise, anybody who has a sleep issue or anybody who has anxiety is going to use them during the day, even for anxiety purposes. But by doing it at the base of the brain, at the base of the brain is the reticular activating system. That is the alertness system in our brain. There are other aspects of it in the brain, too. But this is the most basic one. Putting the two cores at the back of the brain, which is also, by the way, not the same area that you would use to stimulate the vagal nerve complex at the base of the brain?

Audrey Wells, MD

Yes, but I would have a hard time putting that together with the pulse and the electromagnetic field. Yes.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

The VNS is also getting stimulated at the same time.

Audrey Wells, MD

This would be to promote sleep. This would be for someone who was struggling to get to sleep or to stay asleep.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Or both. Correct. The value of this system is that it was designed to be run on a battery. A rechargeable battery is designed to run all night. We did a study with 17 people, and we had them do the treatments for five to seven days as a control. Then they did 28 days, or four weeks with a Sleep Diary System. We used the National Operation National Health Service’s Sleep Diary. They did that for seven days before they did the actual therapy. We got a baseline—a seven-day baseline—and then they did it for a whole month, and we recorded the results. What we found is that the quality of sleep improved by 25% in these 17 people. The number of times that they were waking up during the night decreased by 26%.

Audrey Wells, MD

Are these people who had sleep problems to start with?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

We recruited for this study, were people were people who wanted to have a treatment for sleep. We did not bring healthy people here. Healthy people. We will do this to see what happens to your brain. Healthy people, we may not notice a whole lot of benefits for them. In this case, we were treating people with sleep issues, and many of them were taking all kinds of sleep supplements. That created an issue for us because we did not have the variability that you would normally look at. 

They are already taking something to help them with sleep. But they wanted this therapy for sleep because it was not working well enough. We are adding this on top of whatever else they were doing, which is going to work very well on its own anyway. But if you add it to other things, that is okay too. We had a significant improvement. The amount of sleep improved by 10%, the time it took to fall asleep improved by 34%, but the quality of sleep improved by 25%. That was statistically significant, even for this small group of people.

Audrey Wells, MD

I am curious to know how you measure the quality of sleep.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

It is part of the scale. There is a question about the quality of sleep. People rated their quality of sleep from 0 to 5, I think.

Audrey Wells, MD

I see. Okay. did you?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Now we use objective measures. We want to keep it simple and easy to do. I tried to, we looked at Polysomnography: Different kinds of objective testing for sleep are way too complicated. You have to almost use a sleep lab to get the best results, Oura rings can be helpful, but they are not reliable.

Audrey Wells, MD

I am wondering, too, if there was a placebo arm of your study where people were having a device, but it was inactive, or maybe just producing the sound and not the.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

We had the control phase.

Audrey Wells, MD

Tell me about that.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

We were in the control phase when they did that. They kept diaries for seven days before we started using the machine. That is our control phase. The reason for that is that we want to be able to enter a person because the person is under their control. They are the ones with the sleep problems. We wanted to see what they were doing even before they began; they were already taking some supplements for sleep and already knew that that would be quantified in the control phase, and then they did the active treatment phase, and we did not have a third phase where we stopped it after that and followed up after that. Still, with that difference between the control phase and the active phase, we found a 25% improvement in the quality of sleep based on their assessment of the quality of sleep.

Audrey Wells, MD

Got it. Okay. What other studies are in the pipeline to look at this further with 17 people? I realize that could be a lot of data to pull in, but are you planning bigger studies, crossover designs, or anything like that?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

I think at this point, I do not feel we have anything to prove. We are not doing this for research purposes. We are not doing it for the science. We are not even looking to try to get it approved by the FDA as a sleep or insomnia therapy. This is a wellness tool. With this data, it is reasonable enough. Again, we might eventually find out how you fund research.

Audrey Wells, MD

Through grants, oftentimes.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

That is a lot of work. Again, what difference does it make? It may make doctors happier. It may make the scientists happier. But does it make the consumer that much happier? Not really.

Audrey Wells, MD

I am wondering, if someone were to try this device to improve their sleep, how long would it take for them to see a marked improvement in getting to sleep or staying asleep?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Good question. We used another measure called PRO, Patient Reported Outcomes, called Outcome MD. We had another, different measuring system completely. They would get surveys regularly, and even with that system, we found significant improvements. But we did see different patterns. Some people improved immediately within the first night. Some people ramped up over three or four days, a week. They came from a baseline test score that was lower. That was in the control phase. Then our secondary score down the road, usually about a week away. Those tests were done typically a week apart, and the outcome was an empty measure. 

We found some people who got better. Some people ramped up for their benefit, and other people had life hacks. Somebody got a divorce, somebody had a car accident, somebody had a death in the family. When you were doing a month-long study. You are going to have life happening, That throws everything off to be able to do that. In that study, even though those situations did happen in those 17 people over that month. We have people who had sleep partners change during that time. We had people who had dogs sleeping in their beds. I saw all this natural stuff that happens to people with their sleeping patterns, and we still found that it was a significant benefit. I am surprised at how much benefit people got considering all those other things were happening as well.

Audrey Wells, MD

Yes, it is a real-world experiment.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Exactly. It is a real world.

Audrey Wells, MD

Humans are multifactorial, that is for sure. I am curious to know if this is something that you use for your sleep.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Absolutely. I use it every night.

Audrey Wells, MD

What do you notice if you take a break? What detriments would come up if you were without your PEMF?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

I have done that a few times, and it makes a difference. I can tell that it is fairly significant. The reason I use it is because I have sleep issues. I do not have trouble typically falling asleep, but I have trouble staying asleep, and I am a little older, so I may have some bladder issues. Or if you have a partner who snores or if you are bumping into each other during the night. I do not have a king-size bed. You cannot stay away from anybody. There is all the practical stuff about sleeping. I do notice a difference where I do not or if I am laying during the night and I am sleeping, and I am aware that I am not aware that I am sleeping because if you are aware, you are sleeping. You are not sleeping.

Audrey Wells, MD

That is true.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

All of a sudden, I am noticing I am awake, or am I aware? Then I do as I orient myself back on the magnet and usually come back.

Audrey Wells, MD

You go back to sleep. Yes, I think that one of the bigger problems that I help people with is going back to sleep because you have already eliminated some of your sleep needs, and you are not as hungry for them. It can be a real challenge to get back to sleep.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

The brain does not shift to change that fast. If you use a very powerful magnetic field, you can shift the brain almost in a second or a few seconds. We are usually a very gentle magnetic system, so it takes a while to ramp up and down in our case of sleeping. But then you maintain the benefit. If you stop the treatment, you are still going to maintain that benefit for a while afterward. You get up during that. The point is that if you get up during the night and have been sleeping using this for sleep, you are sleeping well. But you get up to go to the bathroom, and we come back to bed. Put your head back where the magnet is and put it there. You have not lost the full benefit of the entrainment that you have already been doing.

Audrey Wells, MD

I see. I want to ask you, too, about another application for your PEMF devices, which is pain. In my world, pain often competes with sleep. Now a person may have pain when they first lay down to go to sleep, and that may cause trouble with getting to sleep. But also, if you are not able to move in bed well or you have joint pain or muscle stiffening as you are sleeping, that all by itself can interfere with sleep quality. I am wondering if you can talk about some of the other applications, including pain in your pulse electromagnetic field device.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Let us deal with the person who is sleeping in pain. Or the person who is sleeping and has the urge to go to the bathroom four times a night. Whatever is disturbing your sleep, Magnetic field therapy, because of the Delta State, you probably can do a better job of describing what the Delta State is of the brain. I know it is a deep sleep state, but it is a very slow sleep state. What it does to awareness, what it does to the perception of sensations in the body, is that it significantly decreases those perceptions. You are quieter; you are competing with the pain in the sense that the pain signals come into the brain. It registers in the thalamus, hypothalamus, limbic system, and so on. 

If all of that is just being quieted down, it takes a bigger stimulus to be perceived by the brain, so it takes a stronger pain. It does not eliminate the urge to go to the bathroom. But what is going to happen is that you are going to fill the bladder more before you get a strong enough urge to say, Okay, I got to get up. The same thing would happen with pain. You are perceiving less. Now beyond the sleep time, the time of sleep. You can use this device on any part of the body that is in pain. 

But because it is weak—relatively weak—it is not going to be as effective for, say, a hip problem or a back problem. But I can tell you now that I use this device. This is modeled after another machine that has other uses for it. I would be driving to a lake house, and it was a three-hour drive. I have sciatica. Along the way, I would get this pain in my back, and I did not want to stop. What do I do? Before I started traveling, I put this on my back. I put it over the disk where the problem stems from. No problem; I would drive for 3 hours for zero problems.

Audrey Wells, MD

Wow, that is great.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

This is strong enough to do that. But as I mentioned, I would not use this machine for driving. For pain while you are driving because the frequencies will cause your brain to relax too much and you will become less aware of where you should be. There are machines like these that could be used that way. We have a device on drpawluk.com called the Micro Pulse 89, which is designed primarily for pain or musculoskeletal use.

Audrey Wells, MD

This particular device for sleep may also be applicable for headaches or neck tension.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Yes, I used this one for that purpose as well. I had a patient in the office who was extraordinarily anxious. We had an hour-long appointment. She sat down, and she was fidgeting and moving, and she was just, you can see she is tense. I said: This is not going to go anywhere. It is not going to work. What I did was put the coils on the back of her neck, at the base of the skull. That was the machine I was using for that purpose, which was seven hertz. This could get you down to seven, below seven, or eight. This can be used for anxiety as well. She kept pacing, but she was the treatment was working so literally that within about 5 minutes, you could see the elevator going down. You can see the anxiety level just dropping. About 10 minutes later, she sat down. We finished the interview. It could be used for that. Do not use it while you are driving or operating machinery.

Audrey Wells, MD

Yes, I think that is an important thing to underscore because, the truth is, when you try something new, whether it is a device like this, a pill, or a new routine, there is always the potential that something untoward could happen. Certainly give caution to that.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Back to the pain question, though, Audrey. Yes, this can be used for pain. This could be used for chronic pain in the brain. People with CRPS, if you do not mind relaxing or chilling out, then you could use this during the day as well. For headaches, I could use it for MS. I could use it for anxiety and agitation. It could be useful for a child with ADD. That is motors revving too fast or ADHD. It could be used. But again, remember that you have to do it at a place at a time that is not going to interfere with function.

Audrey Wells, MD

That makes total sense. I think that is a nice word of caution. Again, for someone who is trying something new in their life.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

The risk is very low—extremely low.

Audrey Wells, MD

Is there anything else that you had to discuss before we close today? I think this has been an illuminating discussion of the potential for these PEMF devices. Is there anything you want to highlight?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Well, a couple of other things. We learned a little bit about what magnetic fields do. Besides training the brain and slowing down the brain waves, magnetic field therapy increases circulation to the brain and decreases muscle spasms. If you have a headache, that is due to the muscles in the back of your neck being in spasm. It could help with that. It improves circulation and energy levels. Brain fog may be able to improve. But again, this is going to quiet your brain down. If you have brain fog, you do not want to be quieting down. You want to be doing more active activity. 

Magnetic fields have a lot of devices and a lot of actions; a lot of that is covered in my book, Supercharge Your Health with PEMF Therapy. If you want to learn more about this? That is probably the best place to go otherwise if you do not mind doing a very deep, long drop, drpawluk.com has a huge amount of information. There is a separate website for the Xpulser. It is called Xpulser.com. I learned more about this. You can go to that website itself.

Audrey Wells, MD

It seems that there is somewhat of a choice. About which device is appropriate for the situation? Would people be able to access help with that choice on your website, or how does that work?

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

The book Supercharge Your Health helps you with choices because we are primarily talking about sleep. This is probably all you need. However, if you have a machine that you are using for other purposes, like a PEMF machine for pain or back pain, for example, or hip pain or cancer or autoimmune diseases, they can often help with sleep too. If you are doing a treatment at the end of the day before you go to bed, they can relax or chill the nervous system in general because they increase endorphins, encephalitis, and dopamine. Because they are increasing all of these neurotransmitters, you can get a benefit from sleep. Personally, when I lay on a whole body pad for body treatment, I have a hard time concentrating. I read. I do not give up trying to read.

Audrey Wells, MD

I see. Because you feel so activated.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Feel so relaxed. Yes. They can help with sleep, too. But they are not, as they were not developed for this purpose. The Xpulser is developed for this purpose. Magnetic therapy can be very relaxing in general anyway, but there are some people because magnetic field therapy also increases ATP production. ATP is having a cup of coffee, so if you increase your ATP, you are just going to have more energy in the brain or the body, and that can make you alert when you try to go to bed. If that happens, you need to do it. Earlier in the evening.

Audrey Wells, MD

It seems there is a PEMF device for all of the things you might need around the clock.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

In the Supercharge Your Health book there are 80 different health conditions. I describe what magnetic fields are to be used for.

Audrey Wells, MD

Excellent. Well, Dr. Pawluk, it has been a great discussion today. I love bringing up a new therapy that people might try for their sleep problems. Again, getting to sleep, staying asleep, or both. The Xpulser may be something that you put on your radar for relief. You got the Power Tools for Health book. You have got to supercharge your health with chemotherapy, and people can find you at drpawluk.com.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

D-R-P-A-W-L-U-K dot com.

Audrey Wells, MD

A fantastic pleasure to see you today. I wish you well. Thanks again for letting me try out this device for myself.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

May you sleep better? I know you do not have any problems with sleep, so you are not, but maybe your kids might. By the way, we did not talk about kids. This would be fantastic for new parents.

Audrey Wells, MD

For the parents to use or for the kids.

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

The kid puts it under the pillow or on top of the sheet that they are lying on. This may be good enough to keep the kids sleeping better during the night, so children with colic, for example, would probably get a lot of benefits. The kids are getting benefits from this. The parents are getting benefits.

Audrey Wells, MD

I agree with that. It is a pleasure to see you today, Dr. Pawluk. 

William Pawluk, MD, MSc

Thank you, Audrey. 

Audrey Wells, MD

Take good care. Bye bye.