Full Transcript Introduction and Guest Background 0:00 I always say retraining the 0:01 immune system is like training a three year old to pick up their stuff. 0:05 You know, it's going to take a really long time to get those T cells to a place 0:10 where they can be tolerant to things for a long time. 0:15 And one of the other problems is you can upset that tolerance. 0:18 You know, if you get a chronic viral or an acute virus. 0:22 A lot of times that can undo that treatment and you have to get a booster. 0:27 So usually what I tell patients is this is probably going to help you, 0:32 but I want you to give it a year before you're willing to say, 0:37 I'm not going to do it anymore, or this therapy sucks. 0:39 This is doctor talks. 0:41 Real talk from real doctors. 0:43 Only issues that matter to you most. 0:48 Hello. 0:48 This doctor can't hold tours for another episode of the Peptide Summit. 0:52 Today we welcome Doctor Christopher Wakely and he said he is speaking about secrets 0:58 to fatigue, brain fog, insomnia, 1:01 mood disorders and chronic pain. 1:05 So excited to hear about how to solve those problems. 1:09 And so many patients are suffering, and doctors just can't put it together. 1:14 So looking forward to this hour. 1:17 And I say thank you so much, Christopher, for being on. 1:20 I appreciate how you're putting up there in Washington. 1:24 Any riots or anything going on up there? 1:27 Not in my little neighborhood, but yeah, Seattle's a little bit of a mess. 1:31 So, yeah, it's like, well, you other news, we always see the the worst, right? 1:34 But yeah, just a little bit about Christopher is born and raised in Maine. 1:38 Which I think, man, that must be called. 1:40 But, and then he moved to Washington, where he pursued a doctorate 1:43 in acrobatic medicine from the austere university. 1:47 Is dedicated to helping patients with complex chronic illness. 1:51 So we've been seeing between 11 and 17 physicians. 1:55 And that's the week when we published our results. 1:58 We had 7.2 physicians before seeing us. 2:01 And that just got more and more. 2:03 So that 11 to 17, I think is right on, especially there vector 2:07 borne illness including Lyme, Bubka, Bartonella. 2:11 And the list keeps going, you know, basically keeps being added 2:16 pain and environmental medicine, autism. 2:20 I'd love to hear couple of things about your experience. 2:22 But with autism, of course, that's just skyrocketing measles. 2:26 A wide variety of tools including homeopathic antigen therapies, 2:31 drainage injections, herbs, peptides, and pharmaceutical and pharmaceuticals. 2:36 He's a member of a m Arkham International Peptide Society. 2:42 In his spare time, what little there is. 2:45 He enjoys spending time with his wife and two daughters, 2:48 strength training, reading and watching the Boston Red Sox. 2:52 So goes off awesome. 2:55 But yeah, I think the World Series is, was it game three or something? 2:59 Yeah. But yeah. Tell me, how did you. 3:03 Kind of get into, you know, treating these 3:06 sick of the sick, these patients that no one can figure out? 3:11 You know, in last year when you're going through naturopathic medical school, 3:15 you see some complex patients, but you don't see a lot. 3:19 And in my preceptorship, which is like an apprenticeship 3:22 that you do, you know, I worked in a doctor clean arts clinic 3:26 with Doctor Katie Dahlgren and Doctor Michelle Grind staff, who I work with now. 3:31 And man, they were seeing some really sick patients 3:35 and they were using tools that I had never heard of back then. 3:39 So I think for me, it's kind of like going to a different plane in medicine 3:45 and you start to see that, hey, it's not as simple as just giving somebody 3:51 a B12 shot or glucose, iron or. 3:54 Yeah, diet's not going to fix these people. 3:56 They've already tried that. They did that 20 years ago. 3:59 So I think the curiosity in me and kind of that endeavor 4:04 to always be learning more is really what got me into 4:06 treating patients with complex chronic illness. 4:09 Yeah. Do you regret? 4:11 No, no, because I'm blessed. 4:13 It's challenging, you know? 4:15 I mean, you you do it too. 4:16 And it's not easy, but. 4:19 It's not boring.
How Complex Chronic Illness Patients Are Evaluated 4:20 You know, I never go home and say. Yeah, today was boring. 4:23 It's true. 4:23 And, you know, you know, especially more and more, it's like, okay, you know, 4:27 one cause, one illness, one treatment, you know, 4:31 and that whole paradigm is just on a part. 4:34 Yeah. 4:36 Yeah, it was standard medicine. 4:38 The patient is in a box and they get this. 4:41 And if they're outside the box the oven just kind of gives up, right. 4:46 Yeah. 4:47 Or for just a. Minor referral between. 4:49 Specialty you know, it just the psych referral. 4:51 And they don't believe and I'm sure we had, you know, 4:55 so many patients like cry the first visit and she said, you believe me? 4:59 We're like, of course, you know. 5:02 And we'll show you on paper that you have all these problems. 5:05 And the doctor says, nothing's wrong with me. You know, 5:07 when you don't do the right test, that's what you're kind of on, right? 5:10 But when when you see these patients, what are some of the things you think of? 5:15 Because I'm a natural, 5:16 empathic physician, my approach is a little bit different. 5:20 The first thing that I'm always looking for is 5:22 how are their organs of elimination working? 5:25 Because they'll come in and they'll tell you, right. 5:27 And I always I always say to patients, 5:31 you're coming to me with a full bucket and a clogged spigot. 5:34 So if you've got stuff coming in your bucket, whether it's 5:39 aluminum or gluten or stress in the home or whatever, 5:44 and your spigots clogged, then you're just going to keep spilling over 5:48 and making a mess on the floor. 5:49 And those are the symptoms that they're coming in and talking about, right? 5:52 Oh, I have headaches. 5:53 I've got pain, I've got gut stuff. 5:55 All right. 5:55 So you're diving deep into peptides and longevity on this podcast. 5:59 And we're right there with you. 6:00 Integrative peptide stands out trusted by over 6:03 10,000 doctors to deliver real results for their patients. 6:07 These premium peptides are your key to unlocking 6:10 vitality recovery and a longer, stronger life. 6:14 Visit Integrative peptides.com and use the code 6:17 Pod life for 10% off your first order. 6:20 Again. Integrative peptides.com. 6:22 Use the code pod life for 10% off. 6:25 It's time to elevate your journey starting now. 6:30 So I'm looking at the spigot first thing. 6:33 And, you know, the spigot is the liver, the kidneys, the gut, the brain. 6:39 Are these things able to detoxify in a sense. 6:43 So I'll start there. 6:44 I'm always looking at immune system because that's a huge, huge thing, 6:48 especially when you're dealing with patients who have complex chronic illness. 6:51 I mean, if it was just as simple as treating somebody Borrelia, 6:56 which, you know, even standard of care, I mean, you got to have them on 6:59 antibiotics for like three years, and then you've got persistent cells 7:02 and it doesn't even work. 7:03 Look at the relapse rate, you know, 2 or 3 weeks of doxycycline. 7:08 You drive it into the tissues and it's like 80% come back. 7:13 And those are the ones that they're even documented. 7:15 But they come back gradually as, oh, I got migraines. 7:18 Now I got quadruplets syndrome, I've got M.S., 7:22 they go, oh, you had Lyme or even like, you know, Michael J. Fox. 7:27 And you know what I Parkinson's and we call them. 7:30 Sure. 7:30 So many people did 7:32 and said if you check for Lyme like, oh yeah, he had it and cured it, 7:35 you know, and it's like, oh, 7:38 you know, and you know, his doctor saying, oh, that's crazy, you know. 7:42 So that should tell a physician if they're thinking that should tell them 7:47 that they need to look at how the immune system is functioning. 7:51 All of our patients come in and most of them are too dominant 7:54 or they've completely lost tolerance 7:58 to things that are like, sort of normal. 8:01 How many people have Epstein-Barr? 8:03 How many people have hives? 8:04 Six antibodies. 8:07 Right. 8:07 It's not an Aids defining condition. 8:10 So is it even really an infection? 8:12 That's when you need to be looking at the immune system, trying to restore 8:16 some balance and hopefully initiate some tolerance in those cells 8:19 so that you can kind of live in the world and breathe air. 8:23 Yeah. 8:24 When you have five, six, seven infections, 8:27 what's the problem that you just having to get all those infections. 8:30 Yeah. Now you know. 8:32 Or it's like you know you I'm sure you've seen the patients that come in 8:35 with 22 separate diagnoses. 8:38 Right. Like what? Okay. 8:39 What you are the most unlucky person or there's some common thing, 8:44 you know, going on and what test you like to do to assess the immune system. 8:49 Well, we're always looking at bloodwork. 8:51 So we're always looking at CBC, CMP 8:54 I run the natural killer cell assay on just about all of my patients. 8:59 I think that's really important. 9:00 And you do Quest Lab core out. 9:03 Usually lab core. 9:04 I mean, will, you know, we'll write labs for quest 9:07 if that's what is close to the patient or that's what their insurance covers. 9:11 But typically I like to use lab core especially for that 9:13 natural killer cell activity test because it's kind of finicky. 9:16 You know, 9:17 they have to send it out to a drop, and it's going to be done 9:21 Monday through Thursday. 9:22 And, you know, that's the biggest problem. 9:25 And just like a it's it's disheartening. 9:27 I'm gonna tell you just a real quick story. 9:30 We sent our a media guy just standard labs. 9:35 There's lab core in a class right on top of each other. 9:37 He went and did like, you know, basic CBC, chem panel, insulin. 9:42 You can go to A1, see Quest Lab, Carver, what was on top or whatever. 9:46 Didn't eat in between one. He was diabetic. 9:49 The other one had similar A1. C was 5.2. 9:52 And so and that's what. Unreliable. 9:55 That and that's a basic test. 9:57 And so you get these more complex tests and people hang their hat 10:01 on any one test, which like I like to do a lot of tests and paint a picture. 10:04 Yeah. You can't. 10:05 Well this test is negative. 10:06 So oh forget that now you know. 10:09 And then the tests are, you know, 10:11 they might be very specific in general if you're positive you're like a positive. 10:16 If you're negative it doesn't mean much. 10:17 But I think even just running a CBC, if you're looking at the ratio 10:22 of neutrophils to lymphocytes, you know it should be like 6030 right. 10:27 And if somebody comes in with a with the neutrophil level of 74 10:32 or they're flip flopped and they're lymphocytes or 60% 10:36 or something like that, well then you know probably something viral is going on 10:40 or you know if the neutrophils are high probably something bacterial is going on. 10:43 A platelet count can tell you a lot about their coagulation status. 10:48 Like I guess I'm agreeing with you and saying that. 10:51 Yeah, it's nice to have a lot of tests. 10:54 But in the end your patient's either going to be spending 10:58 money on tests or they're going to be spending money on treatment. 11:01 If they've got all these chronic, complex issues I would rather treat empirically 11:06 and just kind of march about the process 11:09 and use as limited, limited lab work as possible. 11:13 I do, and. I agree with you. 11:15 And though with a caveat, and one is I totally agree, is that, you know, 11:21 most doctors especially, they have oh, everything's normal, right. 11:25 But you look at any of the lowest 2.5% 11:29 look at this ratio and glean a lot of information from the basic tests. 11:35 And some patients I'll do very little test but depends on the patient. 11:39 Like a lot of times I feel I have to convince the patient 11:42 that they have something going on, and because if you don't, 11:47 then they go back and they go, maybe, okay, I'll take the treatment. 11:50 Their doctor says, oh, that's ridiculous. 11:53 You don't have that. 11:54 Their family members say that. 11:56 So sometimes I over test he's not I know what the tests 12:00 get to come out are very likely do a little defensive medicine to 12:04 but also so there have bought into it you know. 12:08 I think it's great that it's in. 12:09 And there's medicine. Yeah. 12:12 You know we always look at thyroid I always run a heavy metal profile. 12:16 Lab core has that test. 12:17 It's heavy metal profile too that looks for mercury, lead, arsenic and cadmium. 12:23 That's been really, really useful. And so. 12:25 And that's a serum test. 12:27 Yeah. 12:28 And or maybe plasma, I don't know. 12:31 Yeah. So is health sensitive. 12:34 You found that because you know 12:35 generally that's you pretty damn high for those to come up. 12:39 Yeah.
Detox Pathways and Heavy Metals 12:40 Well you know, it's interesting I have these patients who live 12:43 on the western seaboard, you know, the Gulf side of Florida, 12:47 and they live really close to a golf course. 12:51 And their arsenic levels always come back 12:55 elevated, and their cadmium levels are high, too. 12:58 And, you know, 12:58 they're using a ton of fertilizers that have a lot of those metals in there. 13:03 And that's been pretty consistent. 13:05 I would say there's a lot of times where I'll get blood that levels back 13:09 that are, you know, somewhere between 2 and 8, which, you know, that's not 40. 13:16 But yeah, still. 13:18 I mean, something I mean, you get a blood that level of two and you know 13:21 that you're going to be hanging on to, you know, 40% of that. 13:25 It's going to go to the bones or the brain or the liver. 13:28 Over time that's going to become an issue. Yeah. 13:30 And that's not where it is when you're finding all that. 13:33 Right. Yeah. 13:34 Yeah. That's that's huge. 13:36 Yeah. We we find Mercury. 13:38 You know sometimes you know people eat sushi and. 13:41 Yeah it is. 13:42 And it's like you could spend all your money on tests or 13:45 and so many things are so common. 13:47 You know how many people have no heavy metal issue, you know. Yes. 13:50 I mean, I haven't seen any patient yet. 13:52 Really? That doesn't have something. 13:53 And then you've got the forest fires that, you know, 13:55 we're going on in California and blowing all over the country, 13:59 those pine trees and everything else, or by accumulating metals and toxins to. 14:04 California, you can't have a wood burning fireplace, 14:08 but you can have thousands of acres go up, you know. 14:11 Right. 14:11 It's where those and two, I go back to the heavy metals. 14:15 You know, the patients with not enough cellular energy, 14:17 they need the solar energy to kick that heavy metal out of the cell. 14:21 And if they don't, it's all sitting in the cells. 14:25 So like everything vicious cycle, you know, and like autistic kids, 14:28 you look at their urine is low because they're not excreting 14:32 they're not excreting. 14:33 Right. 14:33 They're going to accumulate it, hang on to it. 14:36 Their mitochondria aren't working. 14:38 So yeah, it's a it's an issue. Yep. 14:42 Vicious cycle. 14:43 And so you mentioned were we 14:46 briefly talked about kind of that complex patient of pathogenic pi. 14:50 Oh yeah. Yeah. 14:51 Pathogenic pi. 14:52 Well, if we see patients who have chronic complex illness, 14:57 we all kind of either develop our own little thing 15:02 around this or hear somebody else talk about it, but yeah, pathogenic pi. 15:06 So somebody comes in and they've got this profile of toxicity. 15:13 And like we said earlier, it's not just one thing. 15:17 One thing may be primary. 15:19 Maybe they have Borrelia or maybe they have elevated Epstein-Barr, 15:23 or maybe they have heavy metals. 15:25 But what ends up happening, and I think the reason why 15:28 so many people go to so many doctors is that they're not thinking about this. 15:32 They're not thinking about the interplay between 15:36 these different pieces of the pie. 15:38 And when you treat one piece of the pie, like if you put somebody on 15:44 spore or ox, whatever, antifungal, nystatin, it doesn't even matter. 15:47 Even oregano oil. 15:49 Well, those fungal species bio 15:52 accumulate heavy metals and they're biofilm. 15:55 So when they die off, not only you're going to be dealing with, 15:58 you know, an antigenic problem from dead 16:01 fungal species or mold or whatever it is. 16:05 But now you've also liberated heavy metals in the blood. 16:08 So one thing that I try to do in my practice is make sure that if we're 16:13 treating one thing, we're kind of looking for 5 or 6 steps ahead 16:18 to make sure that we're accounting for the interplay 16:20 between toxicity or toxins. 16:23 Yeah, because, you know, everything's connected, right. 16:26 And in standard medicine it's like, oh, well, you don't do that part. 16:29 You said that over there. 16:30 You said that over there. 16:32 And that just doesn't work. 16:34 No. You know, and, you know, you have to think about all of them. 16:38 And there is there's so many different areas, you know, 16:41 you think about, you know, how might conduits function, you know, 16:45 from the infection, from the inflammation, from the immune dysfunction, 16:49 yellow hormones, which causes the line of con to be worse, which then 16:53 hyper liability from the infection. 16:55 Now that organ is hiding under that, you get, you know, gut gut issues, 17:01 which then, you know, just it is it's just everything's a vicious cycle. 17:04 So it's kind of how do you decide where to start? 17:07 Well, you start with the organs of elimination, the entries. 17:11 You start with building or modulating their immune system, 17:15 and then you start trying to peel back 17:19 layers of this kind of pathogenic pi. 17:23 And or if you go back to, so you say you look at detox, 17:27 what are like favorite things like, yeah, let's group or detox. 17:33 Yeah. 17:33 So there's a lot of different drainage remedies that you can use. 17:36 Some of them are energetic, you know, homeopathic drainage remedies 17:40 like the numbers I found to be really useful. 17:43 They're a little complex to get into because there was like 78 of them. 17:47 But if you learn them and you figure out that, oh, 17:50 you know, when you put under one and, to 243 together 17:55 patients, they don't have liver pain anymore, right? 17:59 Or you give them, you know, some other number 18:02 and then their urinary excretion starts to increase. 18:05 So I think homeopathic drainage remedies can be really helpful. 18:08 It just made me think that like for you to treat this one section, 18:15 what you had to learn to do that and you were willing to do that, 18:19 you know and learn. 18:20 It's very common. 18:21 78 things to treat this one section. 18:23 But knowing how to do everything else, you know. 18:26 So you wonder why not many doctors go going. 18:28 Well, because it's not taught. 18:30 I mean, it's not even taught in naturopathic medical schools. 18:34 Now you've got to go get additional training when you bump up against patients 18:38 that are really complex, you know, you don't switch specialties, 18:42 then you've got, you know, you got to get after it. 18:45 Herbs can be really helpful to like greater 18:48 salendine sheldonian for the liver can be really helpful. 18:51 Juniper, you know, the berry that they used to make gin. 18:54 That's an herb that can that's a great thing to help 18:57 open the kidney among tree. 19:00 I'll change Rebecca to Jim. 19:02 There you. Go. Yeah, get on it. 19:03 Get on the gin. 19:04 So, herbs and homeopathic bioenergetics 19:10 remedies is are what I'm kind of using to get the trees working. 19:14 I do a lot of neural therapy. 19:17 So using like 1% prochain and specific patterns 19:21 over different organs to treat the autonomic nervous system. 19:25 Get those sodium potassium ATPase pumps working. 19:29 That has been really, really helpful. 19:30 You know, it's an injection, so it's a little invasive. 19:33 But in most situations when. 19:35 You do that, I'm just very interested in the autonomic nervous system. 19:38 You know, it's a major issue. 19:41 And what do you do to kind of diagnose that. 19:45 And what do you see when you do that treatment? 19:46 Well, there's a couple different things that you can do to diagnose it. 19:50 Obviously you can look at labs, you know, 19:51 if you're taking a good history, they're going to tell you what's going on. 19:54 You know, they're going to tell you, hey, you know, my urine stings all the time. 20:00 I've had a history of bladder infections or. 20:02 Yeah, I had to have my gallbladder removed. 20:04 My digestion is really slow. 20:06 My stool is green. 20:08 So then you can say, okay, well, I'm going to do, 20:12 I'm going to use neural therapy over, over the liver. 20:14 The other thing you can do is if you're trained 20:16 in muscle testing or autonomic response testing or something like that, 20:20 even though that's controversial, that can be helpful. 20:23 And it's helpful in my practice. 20:25 So that's what I do. 20:27 Like you have to say, when I went up to see a mutual patient with Klinger. 20:31 And I'll try to be very brief, but I had 20:34 periodic gland inflammation, just terrible pain in my pride. 20:37 Glands and spasms go into the. 20:40 And he goes, yeah, it's inflamed. It's infected. 20:42 You couldn't see it, but, you know, seek antibiotics. 20:45 I'm like, oh, I'm on seven eyed antibiotics you know. 20:49 And then I happened to go to heart with a mutual patient. 20:53 And I'm like, hey, you know, I didn't we didn't go there for treatment. 20:56 But I'm like, he's like, hey, let's see what's wrong with you? 20:58 You quiz him? 21:00 Yeah. 21:00 Well, I'm like, I'm going to see if, you know, by anything you pull that 21:04 and he goes, you got prodded gland inflammation. 21:07 I'm like, shut the heck up. All right. 21:10 That's it wasn't in my chart. 21:12 You know, I think he even look at my chart. 21:13 And I'm sure he didn't make. 21:15 That out like, hey, you can argue that, you know, it's. 21:20 Yeah, it's definitely a good tool. 21:22 I mean, you've got a couple it 21:23 with science and a good history and good physical exam 21:27 and good live laboratory studies, but I think it can be helpful. 21:30 Yeah, it's another tool. 21:31 And I think some people are really good at it like himself. 21:35 Some people maybe the abuser a little bit. 21:39 And are not that good. 21:40 Yeah. 21:41 It's I, I'd seen it and it also when they come and say 21:44 oh we think the patient is this, is this more times and not the labs like 21:49 damn what they said the infections were they. 21:52 Yeah. Yeah. 21:54 Well you can bias it you know. 21:56 And when I use art 21:58 to test
Pathogenic Pie and Drainage Therapies 22:00 patients, I try and blind myself as much as possible to it. 22:04 The other thing that I think, and maybe this is just me, but, 22:09 you know, I think if you're not being honest 22:12 with yourself or with your patients, your patients aren't going to get better. 22:16 Right? 22:16 And then they're going to bounce, 22:18 they're going to move on, they're going to go find somebody else. 22:20 So if you're really trying to serve the patient, you're going to do a good job 22:23 regardless of what tool you're using to diagnose, you're. 22:26 Not there to prove that it works or not. 22:28 You know you're there to get them better. 22:31 Yeah. 22:31 So in terms of yes. 22:33 So detox and then. 22:35 We're talking about immune system. 22:36 And so what you have been system. 22:39 And so what do you like to do for the immune system. 22:41 Well you know a question I was talking about natural natural killer 22:45 cell activity. 22:46 I use quite a bit of mushrooms in my practice. 22:48 So like turkey tail Canada, Burma, lion's mane, things like that. 22:53 Turkey tail has been shown to increase natural killer cell activity. 22:57 I think that's a really big deal. 22:58 It's pretty well tolerated. 23:00 It's kind of it's turkey. 23:01 Tail and some like. 23:04 It's so good. I take it. 23:06 You know, my kids take it especially around this time as we're where. 23:10 It's not even a lion's mane. 23:11 It's incredible. 23:13 Yeah, it's a big deal. 23:15 It's a really big deal. 23:16 You got to treat the gut when you're looking at the immune system. 23:19 I mean. Yeah, like. 23:21 Most of our systems in our gut. 23:23 So that we start introducing peptides. 23:26 So peptides are definitely a piece I think BPC 157 is 23:31 I mean it's definitely in my top three things 23:35 to use for treating the GI. 23:38 I like it when it's with CD4 two, just because you're healing 23:43 those leaky junctions in the gut, 23:45 you're healing those leaky junctions that are in the brain. 23:49 Yeah, leaky gut equals leaky brain. Totally. 23:51 I think LDA and LDI can be really helpful too. 23:55 If you're working with immune system and people have a failure of tolerance, 24:00 they cannot tolerate being. 24:01 What with what those are. 24:03 What LDA and oh yeah, so the theory behind 24:08 LDA and LDI is that you end up in this vicious cycle. 24:12 Of something comes into your system, an antigen, a protein, 24:17 whatever you want to call it. 24:18 You know, I that's what I say to my patients. 24:20 So it doesn't matter what you call it. 24:22 It's a protein. It's antigen. It's stuff. 24:24 Whatever it is. 24:25 And, you know, goes to the dendritic cells, the dendritic cells 24:29 in your immune system. See that? 24:31 And they say, hey yo, you know, not supposed to be here. 24:35 We're going to go down to the lymph nodes and let those naive T cells know. 24:40 Right. Which turned into effector cells. 24:43 And then you start developing 24:46 immune cells against these antigens. 24:49 And then you end up with tons of D granules and tons of histamine. 24:55 And what does that do? 24:56 Well, that creates more inflammation. Right. 24:59 So there's your cycle right there where LDA and LDA come in 25:04 is if you can kind of retrain those naive T cells 25:11 to behave a little more appropriately to these things that are normal, right. 25:17 Normal ish. You mean everybody's got strep in them? 25:20 A lot of people have Epstein-Barr and have no symptoms at all. 25:25 So if it's really not an infection and you can teach the immune system 25:29 how to become tolerant to it, then you're going to reduce inflammation. 25:33 You're going to get out of that huge two shift and people are going to feel better. 25:37 I mean, it's been a huge game changer for me personally. 25:41 It's been a huge game changer for my wife, too. 25:44 I, I think it's nice and I know my sense is, 25:47 if I had to guess, say only people works and all comers, 25:53 50, 60% of patients get 50 to 70% better, I would say. 25:59 And that's my guess. What? What's your sense? 26:01 And it's just one little shot. 26:03 Wow. Due to shots. 26:04 Yeah. So inhalants and foods right. Yeah. 26:08 So yeah I would say the majority of patients get better. 26:12 The time frame is what kind of irritates me inside. 26:16 You know, because I'm 26:17 a guy who, you know, I want my patients to be better yesterday. 26:21 Right. 26:22 And I always say retraining the immune system 26:25 is like training a three year old to pick up their stuff. 26:28 You know, it's going to take a really long time to get those T cells to a place 26:33 where they can be tolerant to things for a long time. 26:38 And one of the other problems is you can upset that tolerance. 26:42 You know, if you get a chronic viral or an acute virus, a lot of times 26:46 that can undo that treatment and you have to get a booster. 26:50 So usually what I tell patients is this is probably going to help you, 26:55 but I want you to give it a year before you're willing to say, 27:00 I'm not going to do it anymore, or this therapy sucks. 27:03 Now, most people get better way before that. 27:06 But me, for example, it took me 18 months 27:09 to get over my environmental allergies. 27:12 You know, my 27:13 my hay fever, the grasses, the dogs, the trees, the bushes, the shrubs. 27:17 Yeah, I'll just. Stick it out. 27:19 But the thing is, it's not incredibly expensive. 27:22 It's not. 27:23 It's once every seven weeks. Yeah. So. 27:26 And just so tying. 27:28 Yeah. 27:29 In fact, I brought some I went to a conference a couple weeks ago, 27:32 and one of the docs they hadn't done, and I said no, 27:35 I was bringing some of my bag bring, you know, I give it to you. Yeah. 27:38 It's been really helpful for, strep, 27:42 especially in kids, you know, because you can do it. 27:44 Sublingual. 27:45 You just give them squirt and I have had scores 27:48 and scores of parents tell me wow, that's strep remedy. 27:53 That really helped with their agitation with. 27:57 That for kind of general kids 28:00 or just like the pandas kids and pans. 28:04 Yeah, I don't do any. 28:05 Well child exam fortunately. 28:09 Yeah. Yeah. 28:10 So the kids that I see are usually pan this pan 28:12 somewhere, somewhere on the spectrum. 28:15 But it can also be good for, you know, patients who. 28:18 Oh yeah, I have strep throat twice a year. 28:20 My tonsils are a hot mess. 28:21 Yeah, that's what I was one of your talk about. 28:23 I haven't seen someone use it for that. 28:25 That's what I was wondering. 28:26 Yeah. 28:26 So what? Autism. 28:27 Tell me about your experience with autism. 28:30 What are some things you found helpful? 28:33 And let's say I think there are, you know, so many parents 28:38 and they the standard what you do for your autistic 28:41 kid is terrible, barbaric like when they come in. 28:46 What types of things, do you generally do 28:49 and what you generally see and tell them what to expect? 28:53 You know, it's obviously going to be different in every kid. 28:57 I'm always looking at the got, you know, because usually they're got some mess. 29:01 A lot of times we will put them on either 29:05 keto often you know that old school anti allergic. 29:09 You know, because usually there's a little bit of a mast cell piece 29:11 which is just another symptom of of something bigger. 29:16 And one of the biggest things 29:17 that we've seen to be helpful is, you know, treating infections. 29:21 And that's hard to diagnose. Right. 29:22 Because they're a little kids. 29:23 They don't like to get their blood drawn. 29:25 We'll do an oat test on them, an organic acid urine test on them. 29:29 We'll usually do a stool test. 29:30 I like the GI map right now. 29:32 I mean, no stool test is perfect, but I think that one's pretty good. 29:36 You know where we're checking for things like parasites, Candida, 29:41 different neurotransmitter issues, but really infection. 29:45 And, you know, when you start treating me infections, they'll sometimes get 29:50 a little bit worse, you know, you know, a little bit worse before they get better. 29:55 But once you get that low down and you can use a whole bunch 29:57 of different things to, to treat them, I mean, you can use herbs, 30:01 you can use peptides, you can use tonight resolve 30:05 or albendazole or belcher side. 30:08 Not really so much antibiotics. 30:09 I don't use a lot of antibiotics. 30:11 And that how how young do you treat. 30:13 My youngest patient right now I think he's going to turn four in a couple months. 30:19 Do you like stem cells exosomes.
Immune Modulation and LDA/LDI 30:23 You know I do, but I don't have any experience with it. 30:26 Yeah, just theoretical experience. 30:29 So unfortunately I can't speak to that. 30:31 But I've heard great things about it. 30:33 I think from what I have seen now, this isn't 30:36 just my, you know, my own personal bias. 30:39 Sometimes I feel that patients 30:42 while parents will take their kids 30:45 to get stem cells too soon and it can flare them. 30:50 And to me, that means that there are some sort of infection, 30:53 their latent infection that hasn't been treated. 30:56 And, you know, they get a flare. 30:58 And I've had a couple patients say, yeah, my kids was way worse after that. 31:04 Yeah. And that's the last thing I want to do. 31:07 And yeah. 31:08 And it's like looking at their labs. 31:10 I was, you know, I first started treating autistic kids. 31:13 It was just kind of like started out with a mouth line. 31:16 Parents say, hey, can you talk about this? 31:18 The kids are like, 31:19 okay, let's say like, damn, these labs look just like your labs, you know? 31:23 Right. And they got that immune dysfunction. 31:26 And I think, yeah, a couple things really were I love exosomes and 31:31 stem cells in those kids. 31:32 But we're really started with peptides. 31:34 First you'll see like C Max real 31:38 TV for BPC for Towson. 31:41 Like which is like the bonding hormone. 31:43 Love that gut. 31:45 Of course. 31:45 You know huge to their gut. 31:48 Yeah. Let's let's see what else we've had. 31:50 And it's just I think even more satisfying. 31:52 Like treating a line you're getting a better satisfying. 31:55 But it's, you know, autistic kid gets so much better. 31:58 It's like, you know, that's a feel good thing. 32:01 It's like, wow, you know, because it's affects so long people's lives. 32:05 Not only the kid but the families. 32:08 And it is so stressful. 32:10 Yeah. Well, I couldn't imagine. 32:11 I mean, you've got a kid that you want to get better 32:16 so that they can live a healthy, healthy and happy life. 32:20 And, you know, even above that, as a parent myself, 32:23 you know, I'd be worried, like, I'm going to die someday, you know? 32:27 So I'd love to get you to a place where you could be normative call and, 32:31 you know, kind of function on your own there. 32:34 And I mentioned on a previous one we shared, but one of our patients 32:38 that we brought brother Kenny, we could not touch him that close to him. 32:42 F-bombs, you know, we bring them in beforehand, send videos and playing 32:46 basketball, which is that you have just looking forward the basketball going by 32:50 and after I'm sure how long but maybe six months. 32:55 We start seeing big improvements like nasal exosomes, 32:59 peptide aids that got, cheap, really cheap. 33:02 Three works great. 33:03 Most kids, little course. 33:05 Old growth hormone is great. 33:06 They're almost all old growth the hypothalamic pituitary dysfunction. 33:10 He now comes in and says kind of a hug. 33:14 He gives his own shot. 33:16 He jokes he's sarcastic. 33:19 Yeah. 33:19 He he is playing basketball. 33:22 Gymnastics. 33:23 It just like a you can't believe the sink in, right? 33:28 Yeah. It's amazing. 33:30 I feel like these kids are harder to treat than what they were. 33:35 I mean, I was a practicing medicine 20 years ago, so. 33:38 But from what I've heard from other doctors 33:40 who do a lot of autism, one of my colleagues, Doctor Dirksen, 33:43 her and I, you know, work and I work in her clinic. 33:46 She's treated autistic kids for a long time. 33:49 And she said, yeah, it's it's more complex now than it used to be. 33:53 You know, you used to put them on a little bit at 33:55 B-12 and a probiotic and, you know, they would get better. 33:59 And now it's much more complicated and like that. 34:02 I think they're being poisoned even more and more. 34:05 And one thing I couldn't believe, you know, looking through studies 34:09 and so many studies are pointing to Tylenol 34:13 maybe being the number one cause of autism. 34:16 I'm like. 34:17 Why isn't this all over the news? 34:18 And they're adding. Up Tylenol. 34:20 Like, crazy, like, don't give Advil, get Tylenol. 34:23 It's nuts. 34:24 And then, of course, the whole vaccination controversy become a crazy anti-vax. 34:29 Am not anti-vax. 34:30 But you know, why are we giving kids hepatitis B vaccines, right 34:34 when they're born? 34:34 What are they going to start going into prostitution? 34:38 When do an IV drugs? I mean, it's crazy. 34:40 Well, when you look at the immune system of a kid, I mean, the immune system 34:43 doesn't really fully 100% develop until they're about seven years old. So 34:50 I don't know, I think it's a little nuts, but. 34:52 And it really. 34:53 Yeah, really depends on also, you know, the mother stress level, 34:57 which then if were, started, they could have a vaccine 35:01 risk mitigation looking at the kids immune system. 35:04 And if their immune system's way off, they're much more likely a vaccine damage. 35:09 And you look at your what, you know, a huge risk factor for autism 35:14 that is not controversial is, maternal infection. 35:17 Right, right. 35:18 And so the baby now has the same immune response 35:21 because all those, you know, same cytokines are in there. 35:24 But the response is very strange 35:26 when they say, well, see, that's why they need to get a vaccine. 35:30 Well, wait a minute. 35:30 The vaccine is making them think they have an infection. 35:34 So, it's just like mind boggling. 35:37 But yeah, you know, you get into that do become. 35:41 Yeah. 35:41 Get to watch out. 35:42 It's it's the politics unfortunately. 35:44 And I love medical debates, but unfortunately it's rare. 35:49 You know, everything becomes very political and right. 35:53 People take it very personal too, you know. Yeah. 35:56 So kind of back to the title. 35:58 So how about, you know, fatigue first comes in 36:01 I'm fatigued I oh my God I was so tired. 36:04 It's been progressive over the last 3 or 4 years. 36:07 What what type of things do you look for. 36:09 Well, aside from the things that I've already talked about, 36:11 you know, immune system and making sure 36:13 that their organs of elimination are working and treating latent 36:17 chronic infections, you know, and you mentioned hyper coagulation. 36:20 That's a big deal in my practice. 36:22 You've got to look at that thick layer of fibrin that's getting laid down. 36:26 We definitely use you know I think heparin is great. 36:29 Even sublingual heparin I've seen work. 36:32 But if somebody is coming in with fatigue then obviously I'm 36:35 going to be thinking about, well, what's going on with your mitochondria, 36:38 what's going on in your intracellular and extracellular environment that you know, 36:43 you're not able to kind of function at the at the level that you want to. 36:49 So you know, we'll do a lot of different IVs. 36:52 We'll put them on different mitochondrial formulas. 36:55 I think there's some peptides that have been, you know, really helpful. 36:58 Aside from the ones that we've already talked about, 37:00 I think thymus and Alpha one, you know, when a patient first comes in 37:05 is a really good opener just because you're dealing with senescent 37:09 and kind of removing that camouflage, if there are any latent infections there, 37:13 I think might ask, you know, as an exercise mimetic, it ramps up Ampk. 37:18 There's, you know. 37:20 So yeah, so so a lot see I haven't there's so much research 37:24 going on and mitochondrial dysfunction and you look at every 37:29 just about every condition, especially diseases of aging, 37:34 neurodegenerative diseases, diabetes, the mitochondria dysfunction, 37:38 you know, the mitochondria are burning energy. 37:41 They're they're basically causing inflammation. 37:45 And so some of these peptides like Mots C five amino one MQ, 37:50 or if I put the Hexa in there but can really make all the difference in 37:55 there, are there a lot are in clinical trials for Alzheimer's and these things. 38:00 But yeah, we've had great results with with those mitochondrial peptides. 38:06 Yeah. Yeah. 38:06 The the problem I had with my SC well I didn't have the problem, 38:10 but my patients had the problem is that the form that we were using 38:14 seemed to be a little bit finicky. 38:16 You know, you got to draw it up. 38:18 You got to use it within a certain time and having to reconstitute 38:22 different things. And I don't think that there. 38:25 Yeah, it's just great. 38:27 Yeah. And if I've been to one and cuz great. 38:30 But it's really a new drug you know. 38:33 Yeah I don't I haven't used that. Yeah. 38:36 And I won't go to the, you know the politics of that. 38:40 But I get people ocv two days it's gone. 38:44 Wow. Yet people him one of our employee's kids use a college 38:50 pull that all or or eyebrows and within just a couple of days on it to start. 38:55 Yeah, yeah. Crazy. 38:56 And seeing like diabetics or just triglycerides 39:00 coming down their energy levels going up. 39:04 But also the other type of thyroid 39:07 will always be a low thyroid, which comes from mitochondrial dysfunction. 39:10 Right? 39:11 Is that the thyroid is not getting into the cells. 39:13 But yeah. So it's all that vicious cycle. 39:15 Yeah I think T3 is really helpful when I dose it with patients. 39:19 I always I try and do it twice a day.
Autism, Infections, and Treatment Approaches 39:21 I, I don't know you're, you're much more well versed in thyroid stuff than I am. 39:25 There's arguments to everything. 39:28 Yeah. 39:28 Like it's good for theirs. 39:30 But you give up. You know something twice. 39:32 Very patient does it? 39:34 But yeah, you can. 39:36 You know a lot to be perfect. Yeah, yeah. 39:38 Know I'm not trying. Like I said, it's all right. 39:41 Let's be concerned. 39:42 But, No, I mean, I think, I think there's a lot of ways to do it. 39:47 All right. 39:47 So kind of like asking, a chef, what's the best way to bake a cake, right? 39:51 Right. You know. 39:52 Yes. Five and six. 39:54 Never answer the other thing, just to get back to the fatigue 39:57 that I haven't really mentioned, is looking at heavy metals. 40:02 I've seen that be a big cause of fatigue. 40:04 I know that's been around in alternative medicine for a really long time, 40:07 and I feel like more and more practitioners are starting 40:10 to kind of get away from it just because there's some heat 40:13 associated with the treatments, you know, you got to be careful or. 40:17 There's going to be heat. 40:18 And, you know, and I've kind of mentioned maybe two marks, 40:21 but everything's at risk of going away, you know. 40:24 Yeah. And what are you going to do? 40:26 I mean I it's going to kill all these patients that change their lives 40:31 and also all the practice sugars, all the suppliers, 40:35 all the compounding pharmacies. 40:36 And it's the FDA. 40:39 It's that they, they own, you know, the big pharma owns them. 40:43 They're the Bulldogs for the FDA. 40:45 And especially if something is helping someone is safe, 40:50 they're going to try to shut it down. 40:51 Yeah, we've seen that even with some of the some of the peptides. 40:56 So it's they're the politics. 40:57 I could certainly do without. 40:59 Let's see. 41:00 Brain fog. 41:00 What, what what are some of your things that you like? 41:03 Well, since I'm thinking about peptides, you know, obviously 41:06 celiac and C max would be a really good place to start. 41:09 I think C max is really important for cognition. 41:13 You probably read that mouse model study that was done where they gave rats 41:17 the infusion of lead, and then they put them through a maze test. 41:21 Right. 41:22 And they're learning and memory way down. 41:25 And then they split the group they gave like half of them C Max 41:28 and the other half high dose vitamin C, you know, based on their 41:32 based on their weight and the group that got C max, their cognition 41:36 improved just as well as it did with with high dose vitamin C. 41:40 I think that's that's a really big deal. 41:42 I think making sure that patients, you know, if they if they've got fatigue, 41:46 chronic pain, fibromyalgia, they need to be on a good diet. 41:50 You know, you can't be feeding your body a bunch of crap 41:54 and expect to get good gas mileage out of it, right? 41:59 You need to be living a clean life. 42:00 You need to be exercising. 42:01 Exercise is a huge thing. 42:04 I mean, hey, we. Were we got peptides. 42:06 Now that makes your body think size and that you're fast things. 42:10 All right. 42:10 Who needs a and it wake up religiously and do a shot 42:14 with the C backs and see like that. 42:16 Yeah they're interesting in the C like really seems also help 42:19 tolerate stress as well. 42:21 And she likes to replace them. 42:24 Yeah. 42:25 When we when we could get it. 42:26 Yeah. 42:27 Which really can't get injectable anymore. 42:29 But you will be able to get it orally which is shown to work with EEG studies 42:34 where one cap equals about two ccs. 42:38 But that's been around forever and tons of studies on that. 42:41 And I think two are going to find, you know, 42:44 with all these chronic illnesses, people are living longer. 42:48 There's going to be so much dementia, Alzheimer's. 42:51 And, you know, you're like you look at those studies with Harvard Brain Bank. 42:55 But he found Lyme and all the Alzheimer's patients. 42:58 And you're getting, you know, basically 43:02 prions way or these misfolded proteins 43:05 which are actually part of Alzheimer's from infections. 43:08 And, it's crazy. 43:10 The more we know it's all scary, but it seems like there's things 43:14 that we can do to start now instead of waiting 43:18 till, well, there basically nothing you can do. 43:22 Right? 43:22 Cbd's been pretty helpful for a lot of my patients 43:25 to like 20 to even 40mg a day. 43:29 It's kind of high. 43:30 They say it doesn't make them drowsy. 43:32 Now, do you like do you find give us a broad spectrum versus. 43:37 We use a broad spectrum. 43:39 That's the one that we do. 43:40 We have in our clinic. 43:41 Am I allowed to say brand names here. 43:43 Yeah. This one. 43:44 Yeah. 43:45 We use that in Doka products I don't have any affiliation with. 43:49 You're not surprised. 43:49 So yeah. No I don't. 43:50 Have the zero. The company so no. 43:52 Yeah. Yeah. 43:54 They've said that's been really helpful. Yeah. 43:56 And Doka. Yeah. 43:57 And there's actually I mean you know they know their stuff. 44:01 I mean how it's amazing and I've I found you know 44:05 I think some people do better with little THC. 44:07 If I have the, 44:09 the most my 44:10 new amount of THC, I'm like freaking out, you know. 44:13 Me too. 44:14 But so I mean, that's not for me, but some online piece 44:17 I think do better with, with the THC like CBDs and other, 44:20 you know, great anti-inflammatory and there's a lot of great properties. 44:25 I think binders are a big deal too. 44:27 We haven't really talked about binders. 44:29 I use a ton of binders. 44:30 I mean, almost every single patient that I have is on some sort of binder. 44:36 And they are. Yeah. 44:37 Which ones in particular do you find for one patient with particular type or. 44:42 I mean, or. 44:43 Yeah, Irene's tough you know I like it I think it 44:47 I mean it's probably the best binder there is, especially when you're talking 44:51 about mycotoxins and things. 44:52 But so cons to painting smells like crap. 44:56 Patients don't like it. 44:57 So I'll use, toxins bind. 45:01 That's a product. 45:02 Again, I don't have any affiliation with any products at all. 45:05 That's been really good. 45:06 And it's non cons to painting. Yeah. 45:09 So you work you back and say what is a binder? 45:12 Yeah, a binder is a sponge. 45:15 That's what a binder is. 45:16 A binder is a great example is charcoal. 45:18 Charcoal is a binder right. 45:20 It's going to bind up toxins that are in the gut and, you know, 45:25 put it in the sponge and then you're you're going to excrete it. 45:29 And patients will say, well how is that going to help me systemically? 45:33 You know, if it's just staying in the gut? 45:36 Well, there's only one cell layer 45:38 between the lumen of the 45:41 GI tract and the blood system. 45:44 So I think that it's having some synergistic effects 45:49 with how people are feeling neurologically. 45:51 I think Zeo Bind is helpful. 45:52 Sometimes Chlorella is really good, even if they swallow it and not chew it. 45:57 That's been really helpful for brain stuff. 45:59 Charcoal is a big deal. 46:01 They like all masks. 46:02 Yeah, well, what are some of the mild ones that people can start with? 46:06 Well, if we're talking about mild yet effective, 46:10 I would say I would put chlorella in that category. 46:14 And the way I dose it is usually like nine tablets three times a day, 46:20 modified citrus. 46:21 And then there and then there's binding all the other stuff and they're on a 46:26 like yeah. 46:26 That's the thing. 46:27 You know, if you're doing it three times 46:29 a day, it's a pain in the church because you've got to take it. 46:32 I always tell him, take it 20 minutes before you take anything else. 46:35 That seems to be enough time for that binder to get in the GI tract. 46:39 And not bind up other things 20 minutes before or 60 minutes after. 46:42 And I know there's controversy around that. 46:45 Modified citrus pectin, I think is a fantastic binder. 46:49 You know, there's been research on that showing. 46:52 What is it? It I'm having a brain fart here. 46:54 I think it inhibits galectin 46:55 three, which, you know, we know was important in cancer progression. 46:59 A license big part. Yeah. Yeah. 47:02 Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. 47:03 And then there was that study that they did 47:05 in China where they looked at lead excretion. 47:08 It wasn't a great study because there was no placebo group. 47:11 But you know, their urine metal levels went down their cadmium 47:15 their arsenic and their and their lead levels. 47:17 And that one's easy. It tastes good. 47:19 You know, 47:19 if you use, like, the, clinical synergy or something like that, kids love it. 47:23 They're down. Little oily. Flavored tablet. 47:26 I haven't used that in a while. 47:28 And then I'm like, yeah, I'm about them for a long time. 47:30 But yeah, it is. 47:32 I mean, there's the problem is there's so many great supplements. 47:34 But it reminded me 47:35 we talked about something will happen and you know, it's very low absorption. 47:40 But I read a study the last time or anything this morning. 47:43 But, it's, they gave ultra 47:46 low black or white heparin with tyrosine, 47:50 and they got significantly more absorption 47:53 and they were looking at mast cells. 47:56 And, you know, if you talk to mast cell guys, heparin evolve. 48:01 Right? And oh my God, that's it. 48:02 Because they they check it. 48:03 You know mast like they see a tie and all the MSA, the mesh 48:08 that no mast cell group very tells the people. 48:11 And I'm like, you can get me out of a group. 48:13 But I use heparin on these mast cell based. 48:15 I'm telling you they do better. 48:17 And even they kind of convince me, oh, you can't do that. 48:19 And I started trying to take the patients all and switching like, low 48:22 and on to the. 48:23 I'm not going off or crazy, but this study they actually showed 48:26 was sublingual with kind of same suppressed medicines. 48:30 Unreal. With the heparin. 48:32 And so that's part of the I think the effect that we find. 48:36 And I think you find a chance like so much shortness of breath 48:39 or so you give a little heparin there like my shortness of breath has gone, 48:42 you know. 48:43 And so Schreiber BCA patients and things like that. 48:46 Well we've had patients in the IV room before who, 48:49 you know, they feel like they're going to vasovagal they go in, 48:52 they have a little bit of a panic attack, and we'll give them a squirt 48:56 of sublingual heparin, and it'll pull them right out of it. 49:00 I mean, maybe it's placebo, I don't know, but I haven't not had it all that yet. 49:04 I love that. What made you do that? 49:06 I was at a conference a few years ago in Butch Schrader. 49:10 Doctor Schrader was talking about LDA and LDA 49:13 and what to do to pull somebody out of a flare. 49:16 And he said, give them a little. 49:18 I kind of pull them aside, I think, and ask them. 49:20 I don't think he said it in front of a group. 49:22 But he said, give them a little sublingual happen and see if it works. 49:25 And so I just said, well, I say what? 49:28 Yeah. And it's so easy. 49:30 You know what I mean? 49:31 Very low risk when you do it. All right. 49:33 And that's like I was going to say I feel vindicated. 49:36 Yeah. So yeah, I've done it. 49:38 It's been thought to be bad and it's a mainstay. 49:42 It's like and when people have coagulation, that's a term that. 49:46 And the bad news of kidneys that is yeah quite late. 49:49 The good news they've got coagulation problems and we can clear this up. 49:53 You know hepatitis enzymes as well. 49:55 And now the Carney's lumbar kinase. 49:58 But I think that those are you can use them together.
Fatigue, Brain Fog, and Mitochondrial Support 50:01 But I think for someone as active 50:04 I think heparin really just outperforms that, you know, the enzymes. 50:08 But to keep it away, I think enzymes are great. 50:12 How long are you having somebody 50:14 on enzymes before you start to see coagulation stuff? 50:18 Turn around now, you put me in a tough place. 50:20 Yeah. 50:21 I mean, I usually will start Hepburn right off the bat. 50:24 Yeah, I try to find a reason to get that part. 50:26 Yeah. 50:27 I mean, I think it takes too long, you know, with the enzymes, I love them. 50:30 I love the idea of it. 50:31 And of course, his work is amazing. 50:33 She's wicked smart. 50:35 Sorry to find New. England coming out. 50:36 Yeah. 50:37 So I'll add it with it and sometimes not. 50:40 And then kind of use that to keep it away because, well, once 50:43 you kind of get it away, they do pretty well for a while 50:46 unless they have reactivation of it, because it really only comes up 50:49 if it's just sitting there and like, you know, lining the vessels. 50:52 And, infections are hiding there. 50:55 And so for the everyone listening, so what happens? 50:58 It's not immune activation of flagellation a number of infections can do it. 51:02 Especially Bubka is a big one. 51:04 Lyme even some of the viruses is that the body tries 51:08 to lay down this fiber in the wall off the infection, 51:11 which is good in the short term, but now it has. 51:14 It's not a clot, but it's kind of a free clot. 51:16 So now our bones can't get through nutrients can't get through, 51:20 waste products can't get out and the body can't really get the infection. 51:25 And then also oxygen that usually two seconds get in the cells 51:28 now takes up to two minutes. 51:30 So people get like short of breath 51:32 and a little parlor trick that you can do to show patients. 51:36 And it's pretty consistent. 51:38 But it it does depend on the people's basically how motivated they are. 51:42 As you put a pulse ox on, right, 51:45 you blow out all your air and hold your breath. 51:48 And then so a normal person, so you have the oxygen now 51:52 normally comes from your like dense, you know, in from your lungs 51:56 into the blood, goes into the cells, gets used up. 52:00 Okay. 52:00 So that would go down but your breathing get replenished 52:03 and so we cut that off that saturation to go down. 52:06 So they start dropping deep. 52:08 But people with 52:09 coagulation they barely drop. 52:12 They'll stay at 9695 and they don't go down in the standard. 52:17 Well that's great. You got all this oxygen. 52:19 You're but it's not getting the tissues right. 52:22 And yeah. 52:23 And so it's a little pain to show the patient 52:26 and they'll have like we'll do with patient. 52:28 And then their friend and they'll see there's 52:31 basically flat line and their friends goes down 52:34 and they're like well mine's better now 52:37 because the ox is not getting what it should be. 52:39 I think ozone is, really helpful too, for increasing oxygen utilization. 52:43 And plus it, you know, stimulates NAD, which is a big deal. 52:47 That's been a big help in our practice for muscle activations under our. 52:51 Yeah. 52:52 We love ozone and yeah, you're right, it's, immune modulator. 52:57 You know, it's where you're getting an answer there, but it. 53:00 Yeah, stimulates antioxidants. 53:02 It converts to oxygen in the tissues instantly. 53:07 Instantly. Like, within milliseconds. 53:09 And so it's there's so many great properties. 53:12 And you know Rohan going over to cerium and treating the ball. 53:18 That was cool. 53:19 Yeah. 53:20 And, and I like tech like, and yeah, it's pretty much a mainstay 53:23 for to our practice. 53:25 It works with a lot of things are amenity 53:28 immune dysfunction chronic infections mitochondrial dysfunction. 53:33 Yeah. You name it. 53:34 We've had patients with pans, pandas, flares. 53:37 You know they come in and they get, you know, a little bit of ozone. 53:40 They walk out better. 53:42 Yeah. 53:42 Yeah I love that. For our immunity. 53:46 The BPC Tb4 EAP Italian is also great. 53:50 It's kind of gets a little complicated. 53:52 And then stem cells awesome. 53:55 And then the bone marrow ones. 53:57 This is one thing I think they're better at doing 54:00 is immune modulation for autoimmunity. 54:03 But you know most standard doctors that you can't do much about 54:07 oh you're not immune there. 54:08 It but almost always you reverse it. 54:11 And you look at the studies almost always as a chronic infection 54:14 driving the auto immunity. Right. 54:16 And you have the Lyme patients, you know, they go to rheumatologist, 54:20 they say, oh, they got mixed connective tissue disease, which means they have 54:25 all these different antibodies. 54:26 But he doesn't fit in the category. 54:29 And they get anti fossil phospholipid syndrome. 54:31 And they go oh or all these things are genetic. 54:34 No they go away you know. 54:36 Yeah. So yeah it's a part of that immune dysfunction. 54:39 If you've got viruses that are living 54:41 inside your cell because the virus is just a parasite, that's all it is, right? 54:45 It needs a host in order to be able to do its thing or even aspire Key. 54:49 Then of course, your immune system 54:50 is going to become activated and say, hey, you're a bad cell, right? 54:55 And then if you add on to that, 54:58 you're looking at things like all of the toxicants that are 55:01 in the environment, from chlorine to whatever, 55:05 you know, chlorine is displacing iodine in the thyroid cell. 55:09 And of course, your immune system's going to look at that 55:10 and say, hey, you're not functioning right. 55:12 So yeah. 55:13 And highly associated with autoimmunity and it's interesting. 55:18 And there's a lot of study on the obese children. 55:22 And looked at Hashimoto's. 55:25 And they found that majority of obese children 55:29 had Hashimoto's with negative antibodies. 55:32 And also another study they did thyroid biopsies on people who were just fatigued. 55:38 And they found inflammation in the thyroid trigger 55:40 with thyroid regardless of their thyroid levels. 55:43 And the over majority got significantly better. 55:46 Another study showed that people with chronic fatigue syndrome did biopsies 55:52 had eight active HHV six in their thyroid, but nowhere else in their body. 55:57 Right. Yeah. 55:58 So it's like, you know, the course is normal. 56:01 But of course, right. 56:03 Yeah. Your thyroid is fine. Don't worry about it. 56:05 Let's see. 56:06 Neurologic symptoms. 56:07 What what type of neurologic cells? 56:09 I always tell patients 56:10 that the weirder the symptoms, the more likely it is it's Lyme. 56:13 So for neurological stuff, we run the gamut. 56:16 You know, we have everything from anxiety, depression, anger, irritability, 56:22 OCD, paranoia, I mean, full on paranoia 56:26 to, you know, just kind of your regular, 56:29 anhedonia, not really feeling good about life. 56:33 Other neurological things like twitching, muscle cramps, 56:38 you know, usually our patients there, when I do a muscle strength test on them 56:42 or check their reflexes, they're always abnormal. 56:45 Do you see the Asians a lot? Yes. 56:48 Yeah. 56:49 Especially early. Early in treatment. 56:51 And then when we work on the infections, that gets way better. 56:57 Yeah. 56:57 And so that's the space where your muscles kind of look like a bag of worms 57:02 type thing. 57:02 And it's basically has the lung for an upper neuron disease. 57:07 And I had terrible physical stuff like, oh my God, I've got upper neuron disease. 57:12 And but it's amazing everything that Lyme done is attacking the nerves, you know. 57:17 Right. So that happened to you. 57:19 I had terrible situations. 57:20 Yeah. Yeah. 57:21 And what was the thing that helped treat that for you. 57:24 Well yeah. 57:24 Three and a half years of antibiotics did squat really 57:29 peptide stem cells ozone. 57:32 They did a lot of things. 57:33 But those were the three key things that got me better. 57:37 And at 33 in there too. 57:40 Yeah okay. Cool 57:42 too. It's I, you know, so I did a lot but that was it. 57:46 You know, I remember when I went to heart failure and I, 57:49 I couldn't stand up straight, I couldn't it would take me 40 minutes. 57:52 Got stairs, I went and did ozone stem cells 57:57 like I didn't do on the same day, but I did stem cells and peptides.
Pain, Coagulation, and Injection Therapies 58:01 And then I got home and I just walked up the stairs and I'm like, 58:04 Holy crap, I just walked up the stairs, you know? 58:07 And then the cardiologist said that you can maybe get 10% better in ten years. 58:11 And I'm I'm Stover. 58:13 And as I was not be able to walk, you know, yeah, maybe 10% 58:16 better ten years I'm like, that's a death sentence. 58:20 I then go back a year and I'm like, normal. 58:22 And he goes, oh, that's nice. 58:24 That's crazy. 58:25 Yeah. Sorry. Thanks for. Sharing. 58:28 I was curious what your experience was with that 58:31 in terms of your second question, treating treating pain. 58:34 Yeah, I do a I do a lot of injections. 58:37 I'll do pros own, I'll do neural therapy. 58:39 I'll just do, you know, injections with 5% dextrose. 58:43 Sometimes I'll mix in a little bit of protein. 58:46 Sometimes I'll do a little bit of light. 58:48 A cane injections have been really helpful because you're bypassing the gut. 58:52 You know, when you when you do an injection on somebody and if you do it 58:56 intradermal rate underneath the skin, 59:00 then you're treating the nervous system right. 59:02 Because that's pretty autonomic nervous system is. 59:05 And there's not a place in the body that isn't being fed in some respect 59:09 by the autonomic nervous system. Yeah. 59:11 And then you're doing those are you going into articular 59:14 or in soft tissue or. 59:17 Yep. All the above. 59:19 All the above. 59:20 And you know what's interesting. 59:21 And now I'm very used to it I need to talk to some anesthesiologist 59:25 or now do more of this where like the buddy who does, you know, 59:29 stem cells, exosomes, he just does subcutaneous, you know, 59:34 and he will give the people's money back 59:38 if they're not significantly better before they leave the room. 59:41 And you know, we have one dollars. 59:43 Oh that's crazy. 59:45 And he was career 59:46 and he had frozen shoulder which I did I didn't know I knew him by now. 59:49 And so he does it. 59:50 It's like well nothing's happening. 59:52 And he goes okay. And it's like 59:55 then he goes, I don't know don't it? But. 59:58 And that was just subcutaneous exosomes. 1:00:01 Yeah. Yeah. 1:00:02 Unbelievable. 1:00:03 Yeah. Anyway, he had some peptides to it too. 1:00:06 And it just a consistently. 1:00:08 Yeah. So he gives that guarantee. 1:00:10 And I know a lot of anesthesiologist 1:00:12 new are converting to that which is like heresy you know right. 1:00:17 Yeah I think injections are really helpful. 1:00:19 You know it's a little bit of a barrier for the patient. 1:00:21 You know it's an added cost sometimes. 1:00:24 And somewhat barbaric. Right. 1:00:27 But hey, you know, you're subcu are easier than inter articular. 1:00:30 Yeah. Yeah. 1:00:32 But when you've got somebody who's got chronic knee pain 1:00:36 and you know, you've got infection that's living in the joint 1:00:40 because it's it's immune system poor and there's a ton 1:00:45 of highly chronic acid in there which we know bugs love to eat. 1:00:49 If you can go in there and put a little bit of ozone, 1:00:52 they're going to respond really well. 1:00:54 I mean, I would say I've probably had 85 to 90% success rate 1:00:59 just in terms of people being able to walk downstairs 1:01:02 and bend down and get stuff out of the cupboards. 1:01:05 Sometimes it's just after one injection. 1:01:07 But, you know, this was 20 years ago. 1:01:09 All they needed, you know, hip replacement. 1:01:12 And, you know, it's well, well I although it you know. 1:01:16 Yeah. 1:01:16 And the orthopedist is ramping by the weights 1:01:19 and he's like yeah you need hip replacement. 1:01:20 Like what about you. 1:01:21 This is like PRP and stem cells and ozone is doesn't work. 1:01:26 And then I'm like what do you recommend. 1:01:29 He's like so this is the surgery we're ever doing is I had the same surgery. 1:01:32 Oh my. What's wrong with your leg as well? 1:01:35 My bone collapse. 1:01:36 So there's some traction for a four months I got nerve damaged. 1:01:39 I'm like, okay. 1:01:42 And then so, you know, I go and you get a combination, you know, 1:01:46 initially PRP, stem cells, ozone and later on we could serve peptides. 1:01:51 You knows was probably within a year 1:01:55 with 3 or 4 injections 70% better. 1:01:59 I couldn't economic shoes and then second year 80%, 90%. 1:02:05 Now I haven't got an injection and five years, you know. 1:02:09 Wow. Yeah. 1:02:11 You know we've talked a little bit about Tb4, 1:02:13 but Tb4 has been great for pain in and BPC. 1:02:17 157 I mean, even, you know, whether you're doing it intradermal 1:02:21 or orally, I found that to be really, really useful. 1:02:26 Yeah. 1:02:26 And it's actually equal potent orally or systemic. 1:02:29 Yeah. And they both you know more studies on TB four. 1:02:32 But a lot of people feel b b they tend to have the same effects 1:02:35 with different mechanisms of are great to use together. 1:02:38 Yeah I love it. Yeah. 1:02:39 There's a lot of studies on tb4. 1:02:41 I mean I was reading some stuff. It's anti fibrotic. 1:02:44 We know it's anti-viral. 1:02:46 There was that liver protective when that I. 1:02:50 Suppose your, your partner was saying I guess cheese is more TB for a frag. 1:02:55 Are they use more TB for. 1:02:58 I'm switching now though. 1:03:00 I like the frag better. 1:03:02 I feel like patients tolerate it a little bit better 1:03:04 when I was doing TB for, you know, the injection 1:03:08 I was doing that big loading dose, you know, in the beginning 1:03:12 and then, you know, whatever, 20 lines or 0.2 miles, 1:03:17 you know, every other day or however, however, I was rolling it out, 1:03:21 I was having a lot of patients who works on that. 1:03:25 Yeah. Yeah. 1:03:25 So I doctor 1:03:27 about how, you know, TB for a person, you know, acid has multiple domains. 1:03:31 And one of the domains stimulates mass zones. 1:03:34 And so, you know, in general you get TB for the mass cell patient 1:03:38 in general they're going to do better because the B modulation. 1:03:41 But you've got a competing effect of it's directly stimulating the mass of. 1:03:46 So the TB for a frag takes out 1:03:49 that domain estimates math cells. 1:03:51 But it has a look at the studies. 1:03:53 You know the it'll be a lot more jittery. 1:03:56 You know I drove entry to hearing that de fibrotic. 1:03:59 Then there's a different frag and a different domain that simulates air. 1:04:04 So if you want to go there it's probably better to use the frag 1:04:08 because it can get in the scalp better than a spend. 1:04:11 The long peptide chain. 1:04:13 Very cool. 1:04:14 I didn't know that about the hair. 1:04:16 And so I mean I would be bombed. 1:04:19 I I've had 1:04:21 hair transplants many years ago and it was and I can't I'm up then looking about 1:04:26 to pull off the Vin Diesel and then and that's my kind of big star. 1:04:30 But like I had braid surgery so I like I got to get my hair girl. 1:04:34 And so this is actually the biggest it's been in 30 years. Wow. 1:04:39 That's awesome. 1:04:40 And is that just from taking it or doing the TB for frag early. 1:04:44 And I do a, serum on it. 1:04:46 Oh yeah. 1:04:47 Yeah. Cool. 1:04:49 Yeah I do sometimes injections of. 1:04:51 But I'm, I'm wimpy with that. 1:04:54 Plus with the scar makes it hurt a lot more. 1:04:56 So I, I don't do that many injections but I play have. 1:04:58 What about the, GHQ.
Hair, Peptides, and Closing Remarks 1:05:01 Have you seen that? How has not. They've. 1:05:04 Yeah, I think it's good. 1:05:05 It actually it's interesting that the literature 1:05:08 is mixed on really how much it absorbs. 1:05:12 So the GCC see you don't see those are much better than the GCC. 1:05:17 So if you get if you get that make sure you get with the see you on it. 1:05:22 But yeah that that's great. And he had a 1:05:25 you can add that to 1:05:27 the peptides sometimes to make them absorb better. 1:05:30 Then you get an increased cost and things like that now sort of become new drugs. 1:05:35 So we're playing that. 1:05:37 But yeah, I love the GCC, 5 million 1:05:40 maybe even better than TB for. 1:05:43 But the TB for frag for hair is smaller. 1:05:47 So it's going to get in better from 5 million. 1:05:49 Although 5 million absorbs better than you would think 1:05:52 because it has some non-polar amino acids stuff. 1:05:56 Yeah, you can tell we've been working on this, but 1:05:59 so you have good results with with different serums. 1:06:02 But yeah, so we've made the whole gambit. 1:06:04 We went from fatigue, pain, brain fog all the way to hair there. 1:06:08 Yeah. 1:06:10 Tell us they have. So, so yeah. 1:06:12 So we're, we're in LA. 1:06:13 So it doesn't matter how you feel. It's how you look. Right? 1:06:16 You got it. 1:06:18 Here with my 1:06:19 tooth from Amazon and super quick, 1:06:22 So, hey, great talking to you. 1:06:25 Just, I think we came across a bunch of different pearls 1:06:29 and love your approach and, you know, just help it. 1:06:33 So many people. 1:06:34 I think your group is awesome and which is rare to get a awesome doctors together. 1:06:39 So that's great. 1:06:41 And thank you for taking the time to be on. 1:06:43 I'm sure we're going to get a lot out of this and we appreciate it. 1:06:47 Hey, you're very welcome. 1:06:48 Thank you too for having me. 1:06:50 And thank you for everything that you're doing for medicine. 1:06:52 You're doing a lot. 1:06:54 Oh, thank thank you, thank you. 1:06:56 I appreciate that. 1:06:57 You do keep the right work. 1:06:59 All right? 1:07:00 All right. Take care. Thanks. 1:07:02 Thank you for tuning in to Doctor Talks. 1:07:04 We hope today's episode has enlightened 1:07:06 and inspired you on your path to optimal health. 1:07:09 Each day is a new opportunity to make choices that empower your wellbeing. 1:07:13 For more insights and strategies, subscribe to our podcast 1:07:17 and visit our website w ww dot. 1:07:20 Doctor Talksport.com. 1:07:22 Stay connected. 1:07:23 Stay healthy and join us next time on Doctor Talks. 1:07:27 Real talks from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most.
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