Sex, Intimacy, Hormones And The Link With Mitochondria

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

It is great to be here with you, Laura, thank you.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Oh my gosh, this is gonna be such a fun discussion, you’re an expert in all things women’s health, and we’re gonna talk about hormones and keto, and we’re gonna go all over the place. We’re gonna talk about sex and intimacy and the link between mitochondria. This is gonna be a really fun talk today. I wanna officially introduce you to our audience who doesn’t already know you. You’re a triple board-certified and a fellow of gynecology and obstetrics integrative medicine and anti-aging and regenerative medicine. You have special certifications, if that isn’t enough, in functional medicine, sexual health, and biodentical hormone replacement therapy. And for the last 20 years, you’ve served 10,000 and more and counting women in your private practice and millions more, millions, through your books, online videos, and articles. It’s such a pleasure to have you here.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

It is great to be here with you and it’s an honor because this topic of mitochondria is essential. One of the things, and I love this when you told me about your summit and what you were talking about, it’s number one, if we can get to the cellular level, we fix everything else, everything else gets better. And when we have good energy, we have more passion. We have more pleasure in life, and we feel more at home in our bodies.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes, I think that’s what many of the women watching and many of the men want for their significant others and partners as well. This is what it’s all about and that’s why I say we’re at this summit so you can fix your health and build the life you love. Because it’s all about joy and enjoying the journey.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Oh my gosh. Then that brings us to oxytocin, the most powerful anti-aging hormone that fixes everything.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Talk about it. What’s the deal with oxytocin?

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

So oxytocin, always like to qualify, oxytocin is very different than oxycodone. So we’re not talking about pain relief, although oxytocin which is the hormone of love and longevity is a natural pain reliever. It’s a hormone we give off during childbirth in abundance that makes us forget the pain of childbirth. So it has that analgesic and amnestic effect. But it’s also what I have found through my work, it opposes cortisol, and it’s one of the most alkalinizing hormones of our body. So at the cellular level, it does a lot to repair our body and give us that energy. And oxytocin, let’s see, it’s given off during orgasm, during laughter, during play, all of these great things.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

When you pet your dog and when your kitty cat gets in your lap, when you hug your spouse or when your children crawl in your lap, that’s when you get an oxytocin burst, and are there other ways that we can get it? ‘Cause it sounds like we want more of this.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Oh my goodness, we do. And certainly, sex and intimacy, hugging, kissing. Those are big ways. And all the ways you mentioned and the things that we know that increase longevity and quality of life: Healthy community, good quality, healthy marriage. And there’s the saying, when you sneeze three times, you sneeze the truth. So I am telling the truth, y’all, ’cause I’m here sneezing. I’m trying to mute myself during the sneezes, but I just came back from the horse . We have horses, Laura. And so that’s another way, being with animals, like you said, like pets, that’s another way to increase oxytocin. And we have horses, we have dogs. I’m coming back from the horse ranch. I’m just clearing out my sinuses.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Oh, that’s just fine. You got your oxytocin hit. Is there a way to get oxytocin in a capsule?

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Absolutely.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

In a cream? How do you get it? Where do you find it? What is it?

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Well, definitely wanna make it through gratitude, through prayer, through meditation. Those are ways. Through doing things you enjoy. But the things that take it down is that cortisol. So one of the things, this has been part of my journey and I write about this in my books, that when I had trauma in my life and I had significant PTSD for a long time, that cortisol goes up. When cortisol goes up, oxytocin goes down. You’re in stress mode, it’s not the time to connect.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Right.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

And when cortisol, the most acidifying hormone in our body, it’s like a little robber. It’s there to help immediately. But if you have it for too long, it starts breaking down your cells. And I will say, it’s the key that unlocks the door to healthy cell membranes and healthy boundaries. So it is that, you know, it’s problematic, but when it’s up for too long, your paraventricular nucleus in the brain will shut it down, say, “Hey, cortisol, you’re frying me out.” So it’s not that the adrenal glands, which produce cortisol, it’s not that they wear out, it’s that you’re suppressing their function, and that’s what prolonged stress does. So when cortisol is up for a long time, your PVN shuts it down. But at the same time, your oxytocin is shut down too. So you have this dangerous state where cortisol’s low and oxytocin’s low at the same time. So you tend to be very acidic, very inflamed. And also, emotionally, you’re disconnected. 

You stop enjoying the things that you really love to do, the things that brought a smile to your face, and you don’t even want to do those things anymore. And so, that imbalance is critical. So to get rid of that, we have to, number one, manage stress, compartmentalize, manage, meditate, do all those good things. And do everything that does increase oxytocin. So, things that make you laugh. People that you love being around, we need to take that extra step. A pet, more intimacy, healthy intimacy. Those are great ways to increase oxytocin. And we know from the Blue Zones, that healthy community is another key factor that increases longevity. It’s one of the Blue Zone characteristics. And so with that, that comes oxytocin. So when you’re sitting at a table and drinking a glass of wine, but you’re with all your friends, is it the glass of wine that is anti-aging or is it the friends that you’re with laughing and enjoying each other that is increasing oxytocin that creates that longevity? And I would say it is that.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Mm, that’s so good. Well, so we’ve covered all the ways you can increase it naturally. Is it such a thing to supplement it? Is that something that people do to support if they need more?

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Yeah. So initially, when I had my own journey, one of the things that I started doing was adding back some oxytocin. So I wrote prescriptions for it. I compounded it into a troche, a lozenge that you can take, you can use it in between your cheek and gum and you can take oxytocin that way. You can also use it vaginally or in a nasal spray. So those are good ways. And one way to test is certainly, well, first of all, any of the symptoms, loss of pleasure, anhedonia, chronic fatigue, decreased connection, depression, all of those things are a sign that you may be oxytocin deficient. The other thing is pale skin, cold hands. And for example, Asperger’s or autistic disorders are naturally oxytocin insufficient. So, using oxytocin as a supplement while you’re working on getting these life factors back in place, healing your physiology, healing your mitochondria, while you’re doing that, getting a prescription for oxytocin. And I’ll tell you a story, ’cause I’ve used oxytocin, I mean, gosh, for over 20 years, I used it initially for sexual health to help with orgasm and pleasure. And it was, you know, some people respond really well and others don’t. And the way started testing was to do an oxytocin injection. So I had a client who I’d been treating with oxytocin. She came to me one day and she goes, “My son, he’s on the spectrum,” and he was just not doing much, wasn’t going outside. 

And he was 22 years old and he lost his essential drive for life. And so she gave him one of her oxytocin, well, first don’t tell me that you did that. And so she brought him in for an evaluation. So the first thing I did, I gave a questionnaire. It’s my oxytocin quiz. Gave him a questionnaire and then gave him an injection of oxytocin. You have to mix it, as a physician, you wanna mix it with lidocaine if you’re gonna give an oxytocin injection, first of all, ’cause you’re just doing it to test, but it burns. So you mix it with a little lidocaine. And I was sitting there with him and he was pale, wouldn’t look at me in the eyes, hands were cold and clammy. And within a couple minutes, he just looked me in the eyes, started smiling, his ears pinked up. That’s another sign, a little flush on the chest. Like if you had an orgasm, for instance, another sign. And so, he showed a positive reaction to oxytocin. And so I knew this was one thing that he would benefit from. And while I usually say three to six months of supplemental oxytocin, but then you should have these other habits in place to naturally increase your oxytocin too. And it was, again, it just changed his life. She calls me up just four weeks later, she said, “He’s got a job, he’s outside playing football again. He’s doing a lot of fun stuff.”

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Imagine, I mean, it seems to me that allopathic medicine is missing the mark where all of these people that are suffering from depression and taking prescription drugs that cause all kinds of terrible side effects, they might just be able to get their life back and feel better if they had a doctor who knew about prescribing oxytocin to support them. That’s what comes to mind.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Yeah, it would make a difference. But then again, everything we do on a daily basis. So one of my oxytocin increasing practices, I don’t supplement with it anymore, but one of my oxytocin increasing practices, before I even open my eyes and get outta bed, I think, where did I see love yesterday? Where did I feel love? Where was I loving? And really focusing on that. Where did I laughed or could I have laughed more at a situation? So that brings up laughter and that sense of, and it lowers cortisol. It absolutely does. And what I noticed is, as I went through my own journey, and one of the things I talk about as being keto green, like my book, getting alkaline and in ketosis at the same time is that when we do these oxytocin increasing practices, we’re more alkaline, check your urine pH, you’re more alkaline all day. And that’s the difference. Cortisol increases the acidity of the urine. Oxytocin decreases the acidity, increases the alkalinity of the urine. So that’s just powerful medicine ’cause we know with the more alkaline urine pH, you have less metabolic disease, less mitochondrial disease, less diabetes, heart disease, less cancer, less inflammation. And we see that all around and especially midlife. I mean, we want to enjoy our life. We’ve worked really hard. We’ve had some traumas in our lives. It’s time to shed that old skin and really emerge from the reproductive stage of our life into the second spring of our lives.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Absolutely. Now, I wanted to talk to you about Keto-Green, but I also have a burning question while we were talking about how you were using oxytocin vaginally and we were talking earlier and we wanted to really cover sex and intimacy and hormones and the link with mitochondria. So I wanna put a pin in Keto-Green for just a second and cover this topic and then I wanna go back to keto, okay? Okay, yes.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Sounds perfect.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, so what is the link there?

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

So, well, number one, it’s that longevity hormone. So increasing oxytocin increases longevity, and when it comes to sexual health too, it’s again that cellular function. And our hormones definitely affect our cellular function. Our hormones are naturally-

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Totally.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Increasing our mitochondrial function, our energy, and the biggie is decreasing cortisol. So when we have more oxytocin in our life, we have more nitric oxide in our life, it’s just that antiaging. So healthy cellular regeneration. There was a study that looked at oxytocin in muscle and aged muscles, so in 70-year-olds. And looked at increasing oxytocin and what effect that had on their muscle cell. And we saw muscle cell regeneration in older than 70-year-old cells. So I think that’s just one of the key things. And when it comes to vaginal health, again, we get a lot of oxytocin with orgasm and, of course, with pleasure. So if we’re having discomfort everytime we do something, that’s not gonna serve our oxytocin at all. So decreasing vaginal dryness and discomfort with intercourse, it’s another big factor there.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, thank you for covering that. So, all right, so keto. So I have Keto-Green here. This is one of your books. You also have a cookbook, a MenuPause cookbook, but this book in particular, men can use this, however, you wrote this with women in mind.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Absolutely.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

And you started to talk about the importance of keto and alkaline lifestyle. And this is really important with mitochondria as well because keto is one of the strategies we can use to help with regenerating the health of mitochondria. So can you give us kind of an idea of, there’s a healthy way to do keto, there’s a not healthy way to do keto. This book is all about a healthy way to do it. So maybe break that down for us.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Yeah. So I’ll start with a little story about how I even created it. So I was going in through, I would say, a second menopause at age 40, a perimenopause, full-blown symptomatic with brain fog at 48 and weight gain without doing anything different. So a metabolic stall. And mood swings, anxiety, irritability, depression, just all the symptoms that just do not add to quality of life. Plus I had two teenage daughters and a wee one in elementary school. So life was crazy. And just a little backstory, as I was diagnosed with early menopause and premature ovarian failure at age 39, I failed the highest doses of infertility meds and was told I would never be able to have another child.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Oh, wow.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Yeah. And so, to reverse that through many of the things that I’ve taught. And then at 48, I was cycling down again into this other spiral. And I was like, “Okay, this is why I write in my first book, The Hormone Fix, that it takes more than hormones to fix your hormones.” It’s so true. It takes more than hormones to fix your hormones. And so, at that time I was like, I was devastated because, “Wait, I’m doing everything right, what’s wrong here?” And our hormones start to shift and we become more insulin resistant and cortisol becomes more dominant as our reproductive hormones start to drain, as start to decline. And so with that, and I started gaining, I gained 20 pounds without doing anything different. And I had been well over 240 pounds, had lost 80 pounds, kept it off for quite a long while. And that weight game was terrifying. So that took me into the keto journey, which I was very familiar with. ‘Cause I have low carbohydrate diets for my Candida patients and keto. My first daughter has a seizure disorder, so I knew about keto for brain health. And so I strictly went keto and I was like, “Okay, I’m cutting out all carbs, being very strict.” And I felt what I call keto cranky or keto crazy. And like I said, I had two teenage daughters and you cannot lose your cool when you’ve got teenage girls at home, they will manipulate you.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Mm-hmm.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

But I was like, “Why is this happening?” And that’s where I was checking urine pH and I was checking ketones and I knew I was in ketosis and I started checking urine pH, something I told my patients to do and I used to do on a regular basis. And my urine pH was as acidic as the pH paper read. And for me, that was an aha moment because I was like, “Ah, no wonder I’m feeling cranky and inflamed, and I feel like I’m hitting a wall.” And I can’t live this way. So I just started adding the alkalinizers, the beet greens, sauteed beet greens, kale soup, sprouts, all the cruciferous vegetables, low carbohydrate greens, and alkalinizers to help support that key factor in my physiology. And I started feeling more amazing and what I also recognized those mornings, I would walk on the beach and do that gratitude journaling, my urine pH was more alkaline each day. So with Keto-Green and I talk about this because it’s not just about what we eat, that’s key, but it’s also our mindset. That’s huge. And it’s even more important midlife. And in midlife, we have to focus on these things ’cause progesterone, our natural protective brain hormone, is declining from our mid thirties. 

And we start to get those worsening PMS symptoms or perimenopausal symptoms, and that’s a sign. So when I did this, I felt amazing that I lost the extra weight, but more importantly, I felt like everything else, nothing in my external environment had changed. Still had two teenage daughters, still was burnt out from my practice, but I had this mental clarity again, that sharpness, my edge back, and wait, my hormones were dialed in. So it was this ketosis that really lit up my brain, but in a healthy way with the alkalinizing factor, which is so much. It’s important for men, but it’s even more important for women. Men have the protective hormone testosterone 10 times as much as women do. And that testosterone is anabolic. It builds up your muscles, keeps you strong, keeps your muscles strong, keeps your bone strong. Women, we have less. So the alkalinizing factor as important it is for men, it’s even more so for women. And it’s not just the ketogenic diet, it’s getting into ketosis. It’s getting into that fat-burning state. 

And in that state, really, it lights up our brains when we’re in that healthy state. And what I found out after the fact with more research was that in perimenopause and menopause, because progesterone and estrogen are declining, that you need estrogen. And I think more specifically, progesterone, for that muscle cell health, for the muscle and brain to be able to use glucose for fuel. So we become less efficient at using glucose for fuel. And our body’s like, “Give me more glucose,” our brain’s like, “Gimme more glucose, give me more glucose” so we can have more carbohydrate craving, but it’s actually, if we shift to using ketones, it is not hormonal. Use of ketones for fuel is not hormone dependent. It is not hormone dependent at all. Our cells become more efficient. Our cells repair better. We vibrate at a higher level. And so I experienced what I call that piece that surpasses all understanding. It talks about that in the Bible. And I was like, “Oh my God, nothing in my external environment has changed, but I have this peace.” My kids were better. That’s why it’s so important for women especially. You gotta take of yourself first, get clear, get your energy, so you’re vibrating at a higher level and ketones help us do that. Ketones and focusing on getting there in a healthy way.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Now, you’ve just given me a whole new imagery for our cells burning fuel efficiently. I mean, we talk about burning ketones is efficient, like a car that you’re using premium gasoline instead of something that’s not high octane and that burns dirty. And that’s when we’re eating our carbohydrates. But just that state of peace that you were able to achieve, that brings it to a whole new level. Is it safe to stay on this diet long-term? Should people bring back in more carbohydrates? You hear about women in hormones and needing carbohydrates for hormones. So what do you have to say about that?

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Yeah, definitely, for menstruating women before your menstrual cycle and during ovulation, those are times for higher carbohydrates. Those are times to add back a little bit more of the carbohydrates. And like in my new book MenuPause, the plans are six days. So the seventh day you can feast or with Keto-Green 16, it’s a 16-day plan. But then I want you to take a day or two to explore. We need that metabolic flexibility. We always need to be able to use glucose, of course, and we always have it circulating. But we need to be able to become more keto-adapted. We need to be able to become more efficient at using fat for fuel because, again, it’s like you said, glucose is to gasoline as ketones are to jet fuel. And that’s what we want more of at this time and actually design for more of that. And if you think about it through history, the time for spiritual enlightenment, what do people do? They fast, they get into ketosis.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

They do, they do. Well, this is a great book, it’s been out for a while. The MenuPause book is the new one, and I’m sure you can get it at annacabeca.com, at Amazon, everywhere.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Yeah, yeah. Dranna.com, and anywhere books are sold.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Dr. Anna. Okay so, definitely pick it up. I’ve referred my clients to this book for years and have a copy on the shelf myself, and there’s fantastic recipes in that. But can you share with us, we’re talking a lot about menopause and women going through menopause and the way you think and the way you operate and the way you help people is that you can breeze through it.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Yes.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

So it doesn’t have to be awful. So while we’re talking about this book MenuPause and while we’re talking about this, how do we breeze through menopause?

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

So, number one, it’s get keto green. Get into that, keto alkaline, keto green, really work on that. And it’s with healthy fats. And I can talk about what a day in the life looks like on a keto green plan, but the lifestyle factors are key and that’s with, we do intermittent fasting and we stop snacking. So in menopause and beyond, two meals a day or two meals, you know, two meals and maybe a small meal. And periodically, you wanna change things up. You don’t wanna do the same thing every day, and that’s where we burn out. That’s why I wrote MenuPause to have five different plans that kind of changed things up so that we’re not doing the same thing. And we’re really helping support our gut microbiome, we’re helping support our mitochondria, we’re helping support our hormone, detoxification especially. And that becomes really a healthy way to do it. So we do need to change things up. We get in trouble when we’re doing the same thing every day. And I know that’s, you know, you get your favorite foods, your favorite meals, your favorite whatever, it becomes easier, but we have to keep that metabolic flexibility.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah. So your key is about what you’re eating.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Yeah.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Really, breezing through menopause.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Yep, breezing through menopause through what you’re eating, when you’re eating it. Don’t eat past six or 7:00 PM. And intermittent fasting, it’s really. And then also, the oxytocin increasing factors.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I was gonna say, back to oxytocin.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

You know, it’s are you saying a blessing before you eat? Are you eating slow enough that you’re chewing your food and that it’s dissolving in your mouth before you swallow it to help support digestion. And then menopause and beyond, they’re using some biodentical hormone replenishment, I like to use the word replenishment versus replacement, to support your body. We never wanna suppress what our body’s able to make, but we need to support it, especially during a time of a major transition so that we can live our best life. There was a that had a client who did my magic menopause program, and I love this ’cause she sent me her before and after pictures. And her before pictures, she’s on the couch with a blanket on and she goes, “This was me every day after work.” She was a renal dialysis nurse. And she goes, “I used to love my work, but I just gave everything at work. I come home, I have nothing left for the family. I’m on the couch with a blanket every day.” And just within a short amount of time, her follow-up picture is her on horseback, just enjoying life. And she said, “I have the energy to do the things that I love to do.” She goes, “I haven’t ridden my horse in two years and I was thinking about selling him.” And that was one thing. And the other thing was, she goes, “Not only do I enjoy my family more, but my family enjoys me more. They’ll come and go outside with me. We’re doing activities together.” She said, “I was living my life on the couch and now I’m really living my life.”

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

That’s amazing. I agree, when I talk to people and they say what their goals that they want, they wanna enjoy their time with their loved ones. They want to feel good and energetic to do hobbies and to travel from time to time. I mean, these are the wishes and the thoughts that people have about what motivates them to get well.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Yeah. And then also changing the way we look at growing older. We wanna look at it as the second spring of our life. So breeze through menopause into the second spring of our lives. Because we’ve worked so hard. We’ve had trauma, we’ve faced tough situations. So how do we now enjoy the life that we really want to? So it’s also that imagery, like, what does it mean to get old to you? What is that? I just became a grandma not too long ago, five months ago. But the concept I had of a grandma was sick and dead. I didn’t know my grandparents, my mom died a year after my first-born was born and she’d been struggling with her health with diabetes and heart disease for the prior 15 years or more, diabetes for 30 years. And she died at 67 undergoing a second heart surgery. She never got to enjoy the things. And so for me, I didn’t even realize it, Laura, this just blew my mind. So when I first learned that I was gonna become a grandma, it was interesting. I felt like, okay, well, I’m gonna be a strong grandma. I’m gonna be healthy for this grandbaby. But when she was born, I was skipping my workouts, I was bringing pastries home. I mean, it was not keto pastries either. 

But my mom was a baker. And I realized, “Oh my gosh, I’m becoming sick and I’m losing the disciplines that I’d worked so hard for. What is going on?” And I’ve realized my image of being a grandma was sick and dead, so I have to constantly reframe my mindset to see myself as not just a grandma, but as a great grandma, flying my kids around, taking trips, hiking mountains. And really just enjoying my life and reframing how I think this second spring of my life looks, and really claiming that in a beautiful, healthy way. And once I realized that, I mean, that just changed everything. Then you’re like, okay. Yeah, isn’t it crazy? But it is that image. It’s that image of what we, those subconscious is 95% of our thoughts are from the subconscious. So we have to reprogram the subconscious and it takes that awareness, first of all, and it’s amazing. And I tell you, I was just speaking at a keto conference in Austin, Texas and Mindy Pelz had come up to me and she talked about this on stage, and she goes, “Anna, what are you doing? You look amazing.” And I said, “Well, thank you.” And she goes, “What are you doing?” And I said, “Honestly, it’s oxytocin. It’s this grandbaby in the house that gives me a daily dose of unconditional love, and it’s just yummy.” It’s this yuminess. And that certainly is, again, the biggest longevity hormone in our body. So as much as we can incorporate the thoughts that bring us joy, control of those thoughts, compartmentalize or become aware of the negative thoughts. And there’s so much that we can be worried about in our days, especially now that we really start to reprogram that so that cortisol does not take hold and suck the joy out of our lives.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Oh my gosh, this has been so good. You are one sexy grandma too, Anna.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Thank you, thank you.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, you’re incredible. And you’re such a stand for women living the absolute best life that they possibly can. And I’m so inspired because I’m entering that second phase of my life. I’m perimenopausal, I’ll be 50 this year, I’ll be headed into menopause. And I really feel like I’m just getting started. There’s so much ahead of me and it gets to be the best phase of my life, for sure.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

And you wanna live it in the healthiest way possible.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

It’s pretty amazing when you eavesdrop other conversations when you’re out with family and stuff, and you hear about people talking about medications they’re on or even just in clients or consulting with clients that how much we’ve given our power away.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

And as women, and I love what you do because it’s about empowering women to live their best life.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

And we do that, not with a prescription pad or surgical procedure.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

No, we don’t. This has been amazing. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and all you do to advance wellness and health and women and families and men too, because they all benefit from everything you’re teaching. So tell everybody again where we can find you, and you have a whole line of amazing products. You have the most amazing lit product that I’ve been using lately that is just amazing. I mean, you’ve got everything good that we women want. So where do we get it?

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

So my website is dranna.com. So, D R A N N A.com. But find me on social media too @TheGirlfriendDoctor on Instagram. I’m on TikTok, on Facebook. We have a thriving keto green community. And my Girlfriend Doctor Show, my podcast.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Great, thanks so much. You take good care now, Anna. Bye.

Anna Cabeca, DO, OBGYN, FACOG

Thank you, bye.