Full Transcript Introduction to Doctor Talks 0:00 When I have a new stage for cancer patient 0:03 and I share some of these near-death stories, perhaps, 0:07 and I point out to them, you know, if you've given life to the world, 0:11 that can be you don't have to do anything dramatic 0:14 if you just say, you know, kind words to everyone you meet. 0:17 If you smile, to everyone you meet. 0:20 If you're making the world a better place, the downside is, ultimate bliss. 0:27 So I tell them, you know, you're going to be fine. 0:29 Ultimate bliss is the downside. 0:31 If you if you train, you know, this life span. 0:34 I'm working for your family. 0:36 They want to keep you around, but you yourself are. 0:38 And, and that's the most important thing in treating cancer patients. 0:43 Because research showed that if you implant breast cancer 0:46 in mice, for example, and then stress one group of those mice, 0:50 the group that is stressed has a 30 fold increase in metastasis. 0:55 Welcome to Doctor Talks the podcast where every episode leads to a healthier you. 1:00 Join us as we navigate the world of optimal health, 1:03 uncovering groundbreaking strategies to conquer chronic disease. 1:07 In each episode, we'll bring you the latest insights 1:10 from leading health experts, medical innovators, and wellness warriors.
Dr. Roach's Background and Integrative Medicine Journey 1:14 If you're seeking to transform your health journey, or if you're looking 1:18 for answers to burning questions, you've come to the right place. 1:22 Get ready to unlock the secrets of lifelong health and vitality. 1:25 This is Doctor Talks, 1:27 real talk from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most. 1:34 Who is Doctor Roach? 1:35 I see your profile here. You're a healer. 1:38 You work in the spiritual, in a lot of spiritual work. 1:42 You've written two books, I believe. 1:44 One called God House calls. 1:46 The other one is called Vital Strategies and Cancer. 1:49 And you really focus a lot of your, work on, I guess, oncology 1:54 and end of life and outcomes and story, which is where 1:59 I feel the story 2:01 of medicine and the story of people's lives in the context of who they are. 2:04 And the condition really can teach us 2:09 doctors, what it really means. 2:11 We use creative, creative means to understand narrative. 2:15 When we talk about illness, and I'm very, very fascinated 2:19 to hear about the work that you've done, the stories 2:24 that you have written about 2:26 in, in with your patients and. 2:31 Sure. Tell me more. 2:32 Yeah. 2:32 And, I think if you were to say one, describe me 2:36 in one word, I would hope that it would be healer. 2:39 Yeah. 2:40 Be how this messed myself with that. And. 2:43 Yeah, I basically started in conventional family medicine. 2:47 I did that for 20 years, and then. 2:50 And around 2000, I wanted to see how long and how well I could live. 2:54 I was approaching 50 years of age right. 2:58 There was a conference in New York City that Andrew Wilde was putting on 3:02 with Columbia University on integrative 3:06 strategy and, on botanicals. 3:09 And I thought, well, I will never use botanicals in my practice. 3:13 So, and New York City was not attractive 3:16 at that point as a business, but my intuition said go. 3:20 And for some reason, 3:21 I listened to my intuition and went and learned about botanicals 3:25 and learned about a conference in Black Mountain, North Carolina. 3:29 Medicines from the Earth. 3:31 And, yeah, I heard Donnie Yance speak water 3:34 and use the top botanical medicine expert in the country, 3:38 and he was head and shoulders above everyone else who was almost 3:41 pleading with those attending who said, listen, 3:45 we can have really great outcomes and cancer. 3:48 These are all the mechanisms that we can work on with that. 3:51 And my colleague Robert Zeev said, I think I'm going to go to Ashland, Oregon 3:55 and study with Donnie. And I said, I think I'll join you. 3:58 We each went three different times, 4:01 and I learned about a botanical called Rhodiola rosea, and 4:06 that was the 4:06 one that convinced me that herbs are not placebo. 4:09 In fact, 4:10 you know, each herb has hundreds, if not thousands of beneficial nutrients. 4:14 And so my practice was being transformed. 4:18 I was focusing originally on nutrition and supplements, 4:22 and I've been a national consultant for, 4:25 a company that does supplement testing. 4:28 And that led to speaking around the country at Mayo Clinic, at Boston 4:33 and Los Angeles, at Miami and Houston and and so forth. 4:37 And then around 2012, 4:41 I had a patient who came in who described a spiritual near-death experience. 4:46 She had a car accident. 4:47 She went out of body and, she, you know, was looking down and felt wonderful. 4:54 And then she went back in body and was mad about that, was very upset. 4:58 And, but subsequently, she's, been very mission focused. 5:03 But no longer had a fear of death. 5:05 And I thought, oh, how fascinating. 5:09 And I thought, well, what if I couldn't have it? 5:11 What if I didn't have a fear of death? 5:12 And then I thought, 5:13 what if I could convince my patients they didn't need to fear death? 5:16 And I thought, oh, what a preposterous thought to ever do that. 5:19 But that's exactly what I do now, is convince them 5:23 that, in fact, there's no need to fear death whatsoever. 5:27 And I've had at this point, 104 patients 5:30 with spiritual near-death experiences. 5:32 And I've had a thousand with transformative spiritual events, 5:37 premonitions, intuitions, out-of-body experiences, voices, 5:41 visions, dreams with meaning of seeing and sensing spirits. 5:44 I don't know about you, but they don't teach that in my medical school. 5:47 It was a real revelation about all of that. 5:49 And that led to my first book, God's House calls. 5:52 And I have written a third book, now called Brilliant, 5:55 and I have more stories even in that book as well, along with, 5:59 stories, relation in relation to key to main, 6:04 to botanical experiences, even, talking about UFOs to some extent, 6:09 but also basically it's about optimizing mood, optimizing brain health,
Near-Death Experiences and Spiritual Healing 6:15 and then optimizing our connection to divinity. 6:18 That's what the book is about. 6:19 So and even, there's a fourth book that's just been released. 6:24 I wrote a chapter in a book called Awakening Stories, 6:26 and it goes into detail in terms of how I started out. 6:30 And then I reflecting. 6:32 Yeah, it was probably Edgar Casey. 6:35 I mean, if you're familiar with Edgar Casey or not, 6:38 he's a famous Kentuckian that I'm proud of back. 6:41 And he was born in 1870, died in 1945. 6:46 But he was a trans channel, and he only had a sixth grade education. 6:51 But when he went into his trance, he could espouse these cures. 6:55 And some of these cures less secure. 6:57 Some were conventional. 6:59 But for example, when his wife had was 7:02 severely sick and his doctor said, well, you better go into your trances 7:07 and a spouse leaves cures or else you'll be dead in a week. 7:10 And he, in fact went into a trance and then gave a lecture on TB. 7:15 And after he woke up, the doctor said, well, that's the best lecture 7:18 I have ever heard. 7:20 And this doctor been an international lecture on tuberculosis. 7:24 Prior to that, Edgar Casey consulted with 7:28 Woodrow Wilson, Harry Truman, Nikola Tesla. 7:31 Thomas Edison was highly regarded. 7:34 So I read his story when I was in high school, 7:36 and that opened my mind to holistic approaches to healing, which, 7:42 after the botanical conference, that really 7:45 and the spiritual near-death experience for my patient that really open things up. 7:49 Thank you. 7:51 I'd like to ask you a little bit more about what you described 7:54 as spiritual experiences. 7:55 And for our audience, it could mean many things. 7:57 And I'm sure you've, as you've described so many of your patients 8:02 and so many of their spiritual awakenings or their experience of near-death. 8:07 What are their features or how would you actually describe 8:11 what is a spiritual experience? 8:13 And first of all, I would mention 8:15 I've had at least two patients who had negative near-death experiences 8:20 and, they were very shook up by those experiences. 8:23 One was an alcoholic. 8:25 And he immediately he didn't share the details 8:28 of that experience, but he immediately turned 280 degrees. 8:32 He stopped alcohol to children need a band aid. 8:34 He set up trust funds, 8:36 and for the next two years, he did everything he could to make amends. 8:39 Then he had another spiritual near-death experience 8:42 and pulmonary ICU, and this time it was blissful. 8:46 So usually these experiences are individuals 8:50 that, are dying or have died, if you wish. 8:56 Not always. 8:57 Sometimes they can be spontaneous out of the blue, but usually they have. 9:03 They've drowned or, and, you know, in surgery 9:07 and they're out of body looking at themselves. 9:11 And their heart has stopped. 9:12 And, so they describe things 9:16 in different ways, and all the stories have a different wrinkle to them. 9:19 They're not, 9:20 you know, we heard the classic, you know, going through a tunnel to the light. 9:24 And you do hear that story occasionally. 9:28 But I think the commonalities are that it is blissful. 9:33 It's it's a place where they experience pure love. 9:36 And to the glory that they can't describe it most of the time now, 9:40 and not always to that degree, but for at least half of not most of the time 9:45 they feel in a very blissful state with that, and they are greeted, 9:50 often on the other side by potentially their predeceased ancestors 9:55 and have a discussion with them. 9:58 But, they've met, holy figures at times as well. 10:02 You know, they've met Jesus before or met other, holy figures. 10:06 And, but sometimes it's just experiencing 10:10 being in the light and being drawn to the light. 10:14 But they come back from these experiences. 10:17 Well, first of all, I've had dozens of them say, you know, it's not your time. 10:21 You have to go back and you go back and body associated with that. 10:26 So that's important to realize that we don't get to die prematurely. 10:30 Now, I guess we can choose to go or drop off a cliff if we if we want to. 10:34 But the time that we pass on and we all have 10:38 an expiration date on our body, is it's not an accident. 10:43 Generally, it's some. 10:45 And we don't get to die. 10:46 We don't get to graduate prematurely. 10:48 Is the way I put it to patients. 10:50 My guests. 10:51 Yeah. 10:51 They may look like after they've had 1 or 2 experiences 10:54 and they may want to graduate into ultimate blessing again. 10:57 But, no, you've got to finish your spiritual mission here on Earth 11:01 before you get to to, move into that dimension associated with that. 11:06 But they come back with a common feeling of, 11:10 it's not about religion, it's not about dogma, it's about love. 11:16 It's what they come back. 11:17 Not many of them have had life reviews with that. 11:20 And so what I've learned, because from a number who share their life 11:24 reviews, is that we are not judged on the other side, 11:28 but rather it is our selves who do the judging. 11:32 And so, you know, one patient 11:34 who was just out for seconds, but in those few seconds, 11:38 every single little detail of her life, pro and con, she recalled. 11:43 And you experienced those, you know, the people that you've hurt, 11:47 you feel like you're in their bodies and you. 11:50 So you feel the hurt and pain 11:52 that they experience from the negative things you did to them. 11:56 Their you feel what their family felt and you felt with their friends, felt 12:00 as well. 12:01 So that may be almost harsher. 12:03 When we judge ourselves in that way rather than being judged by the creator. 12:08 So I, I'm, I'm very, very fascinated. 12:11 I think what we witness as well in, ketamine treatments 12:18 is, part of the effect of using ketamine, especially in end of life. 12:24 And there have been. 12:25 And psilocybin and the work that, Bill Richards has, 12:29 provided in his, in his work with psilocybin at Johns Hopkins. 12:33 And he's written a book on, on it called Sacred Knowledge, 12:37 where, you describe the different types of experiences 12:43 categorically like this empathic and, you know, connection. 12:47 This, sense of consciousness and connection beyond our, 12:52 beyond us, the ineffable components of what can be described 12:56 but can be described, the noetic qualities of spirituality, 13:02 meaning that the knowing of something, the deep understanding 13:05 and the insights that come from sometimes spiritual experiences, 13:10 in a very similar aspect, I would even say, 13:14 is seen in patients who undergo ketamine treatment, 13:21 where they have this sense of, 13:25 as you describe, even that generational 13:29 intergenerational connection to people 13:32 that they've known in their past or even, 13:36 you know, even into generationally. 13:38 And so there's just the the types of experiences that I've been able to, 13:42 witness with patients with ketamine 13:45 treatments has really been very, very profound. 13:48 Because, again, that spiritual experience that disassociation, 13:53 from that body, from that mind, from the world and from that, 13:58 you know, just that connection to something beyond beyond our, 14:02 our, our, our reality of what we know is healing 14:08 and and what and to me, I find, I find what 14:10 component of that spiritual experience 14:14 provides healing like with what makes that a healing experience? 14:20 It's the knowing. 14:21 It's the knowing of the divinity that you're going to. 14:24 We're going to survive for infinity. 14:26 And it's that knowledge that we no longer need to worry about 14:30 what's happening at the particular moment when, you know, 14:34 depression is living in the past, anxiety is living in the future. 14:38 It teaches us, 14:39 I think, to live in the moment and that everything is going to be fine. 14:43 It teaches us that we're not. Our body is right. 14:46 And that's the crucial message, right? 14:47 That that we're our spirit, 14:49 not our bodies, becomes all sorts of that things happen to our bodies. 14:53 But I think and 14:55 and it's not that those things are wrong. 14:59 It's for us to learn that those are lessons instead of mistakes 15:03 or instead of, some evil thing that happened per say. 15:07 It was, you know, they're individuals certainly 15:10 that are, have done, you know, erroneous, erroneous things. 15:14 I mean, yes, things I should say, and, you know, those are unfortunate, 15:20 but these are growth experiences for all involved. 15:23 And so if we learn that we're not our body, 15:26 that we're just our soul, and that these are soul lessons, then we grow. 15:30 And that's really our purpose here on earth, in my opinion, 15:34 is to grow our soul as much as possible. 15:37 So if we view every single thing as a lesson, 15:40 I think a key thing is learning not to repeat those lessons right? 15:43 Learn it the first time and then move on. 15:47 But letting go of the obsession of our bodies and focusing obsessing 15:51 instead on our spirit and learning unconditional love and learning 15:57 continuous gratitude, but also learning authenticity. 16:02 Opening that third chakra, speaking our voice. 16:05 You know, we've 16:06 we've learned a lot in our life, and we're not supposed to keep that a secret. 16:10 We're supposed to share that wisdom. 16:12 But so many of us feels that we will offend someone. 16:17 Or and it's not that we want to be judgmental per se in terms of our comments 16:21 about others, but we can ask non-gender damn judgmental questions 16:26 to kind of open up on issues that are important. 16:30 The wisdom that we've learned, we need to share that dutiful. Yes. 16:34 That's, the wisdom that can be shared, that can be experienced, that energy that. 16:40 So what can be learned in this lifetime for, for whatever comes after? 16:45 We don't know. 16:47 But how that can be such an essence and create that sense of connection, 16:51 what have you what the work that you do is, 16:55 as a physician, and in oncology, I believe in the work that you've done 17:00 and the stories that you, you write about in with your patients. 17:04 What would you say heals in their condition 17:08 when it comes to, you know, terminal illness?
Cancer Care, Mindset, and Botanical Support 17:12 Say, you know, cancer? 17:15 When I have a new stage for cancer patient, 17:19 you know, I share, some of these near-death stories, perhaps. 17:23 And I point, to them, you know, if you've given life to the world. 17:27 And that can be you don't have to do anything dramatic 17:30 if you just say, you know, kind words to everyone you meet. 17:33 If you smile, to everyone you meet, if you're making the world a better place, 17:39 that the downside is, ultimate bliss. 17:45 So I tell them, you know, you're going to be fine. 17:47 Ultimate bliss is the downside. 17:49 If you if you train, you know, this life span. 17:52 I'm working for your family. 17:53 They want to keep you around, but you yourself are grumpy, and, 17:57 and that's the most important thing in treating cancer patients, 18:00 because research showed that if you implant breast cancer 18:04 in mice, for example, and, and stress, one group of those mice, 18:07 the group that is stressed has a 30 fold increase in metastasis. 18:12 If you give the drug propranolol that blocks adrenaline, 18:16 that prevents most of those metastases. 18:20 So number one with my cancer patients is getting them into a peaceful state. 18:24 Now there's supplements that help with that process. 18:27 For example I use inositol. 18:29 P6I6 stands for nasal extra phosphate kinase. 18:34 And inositol has been demonstrated in research in that form, 18:38 particularly to both be preventive as far as cancer and also be, 18:42 helpful in protecting this angiogenesis and metastasis. 18:46 In research was inositol is shown that at 4000mg every eight hours, 18:50 that it was just as effective as SSRI 18:53 antidepressant like so laughter or Lexapro 18:58 for example, for managing, anxious depression. 19:02 So that particular supplement is both uplifting and anti-tumor and its effects. 19:08 And part of that is that it reduces your estrogen levels. 19:12 It reduces your dihydrotestosterone levels. 19:16 And both of those are drivers of tumors. 19:18 Excess estrogen and imbalance in that direction 19:22 promotes inflammation and angiogenesis. 19:25 And so really in all my tumor management cases, I'm focused on 19:29 bringing estrogen levels down and, bringing dihydrotestosterone levels down, 19:34 but yet supporting testosterone, which is needed for the immune system. 19:38 You need a strong immune system in that process. 19:41 So guess how you block those downstream pathways from testosterone, digestion, 19:46 testosterone, DHT, number one, vitamin D blocks those pathways. 19:50 Number two, fish oil blocks those pathways. 19:53 Now, when I'm talking to male patients, 19:56 you have to phrase everything in terms of testosterone. 19:59 That's how you. 20:01 So I tell them, 20:02 you know, with vitamin D days, you want to increase your testosterone 20%, 20:06 take your vitamin D days, you prefer 20:08 estrogen, skip your vitamin D, was fish oil, days. 20:12 You want to grow your testicles, take your fish oil days. 20:14 You'd rather they shrink? Skip your fish. 20:16 All right, men, hear that? Okay. 20:18 Also, turmeric, you know, boost testosterone lowers 20:23 or higher testosterone. 20:24 Zinc in the same way. 20:26 And the opposite of zinc in this regard is copper. 20:28 Copper's in nuts, dark chocolate, avocados, avocados are still healthy, 20:33 but you want to maybe take a zinc pill whenever you eat an avocado with that. 20:38 But there are other nutrients. 20:39 Resveratrol for certain cells, even vitamin B2, green tea, all of those 20:45 modulate hormones in a favorable way and are effective in management of tumors. 20:50 I, I wholeheartedly agree. 20:52 I think when I talk to patients, I talk 20:55 I really talk at the level of the cell. 21:00 Right? 21:00 We really have to be thinking about the cellular health, 21:03 not just the organ health, because we in medical school, 21:06 we're taught organ systems, we talk about the cardiac system, 21:08 and we do learn a lot of biochemistry and microbiology. 21:12 But really our focus in terms of treatment becomes very system space. 21:16 So if we really look at metabolic health, right, really 21:20 look at the mitochondrial health and what's really happening metabolically. 21:24 And inositol is one great example of that. 21:27 You know, in, in the, in the regulation that inositol provides, 21:32 at that membrane level, and cell signaling level, 21:37 so that insulin receptivity is much more enhanced. 21:41 Right. My own asset all is my. 21:43 And I was going to show you my drink every morning, you know, my inositol. 21:48 And the benefit that it helps in, 21:52 my daily, my daily workout, you know, helping me 21:56 when I know that I'm going to be nervous or tense or have a stressful day. 22:00 I really want to ensure that I have my my inositol in my water 22:06 because, again, that neuro regulation, that effect of neural regulation 22:10 as you've described, even with l-theanine, with, turmeric 22:15 or the anti-inflammatory effects at the cellular level, 22:20 which is I think, vital for, you know, cellular function. 22:25 Right. 22:25 All these components and quercetin being the anti-inflammatory substance 22:30 that helps, these are all nature based, all nature based. 22:35 And they're they're in nature for a reason. 22:37 I would say absolutely. 22:39 And that's my belief as a suspect. 22:41 It sure is that all the cures are out there. 22:43 If we would just spend a fraction of the research that we do with pharmaceuticals, 22:48 we could find the answers essentially to everything. 22:52 It's all there. 22:52 And you say for a purpose with that, I would want to mention if I can, 22:56 I listen to a Japanese 23:00 presenter who had cancer and his cancer cells spoke to him 23:05 and said, we don't want to be delinquent, to be healthy. 23:08 But, you know, these toxins were destroying our mitochondria. 23:12 We didn't have any injury energy because our mitochondria were dead. 23:16 So it's like drowning. 23:17 You're gasping for air and they always survive this to multiply. 23:20 Right. 23:21 So maybe one approach, and dealing with tumors is instead 23:25 of trying to nuke them and destroy everything is to maybe nurture the cells 23:31 and love the cells and if you bring their mitochondria 23:34 back to health, that may take away the need for them to multiply. 23:38 So, you know, or in other words, it's, it's. 23:42 Yeah, exactly. 23:43 I think pathology, we're focused on pathology. 23:48 But if we really think about what's, what's healing, 23:51 what could and I say to patients like you, heal my well, right. 23:54 Heal the wellness in me, supports 23:57 the health of the organ and not destroy it. 24:01 Support it. 24:02 So that just like when you garden, you want to put healthy soil in it, 24:06 and and the weeds will go away, right? 24:10 Naturally, as you really vitalize it and really support that plant 24:14 that you're putting in the ground or growing from the seed. 24:18 I'm very, so curious, though, about what we were speaking about earlier, 24:22 about what heals in spirituality, what component of cellular health 24:26 heals with spiritual, with the spiritual experience. 24:29 What would you say? 24:30 So a let me go into quantum science a little bit quantum physics, 24:34 because I think that helps in understanding the answer with that. 24:38 You know, it was 1905 when quantum science, but yeah, I think that's 24:43 when Einstein pronounced equals MC square energy interchanges with mass. 24:48 And that was a profound, discovery on Einstein's part. 24:53 But 60 years ago, there was an extremely important 24:56 experiment called the double slit experiment. 24:59 And in that experiment, he took a barrier 25:03 and put two vertical slits in the barrier. 25:06 And then there was a photosensitive wall behind the barrier. 25:09 And then you take a photon, and it will go through 25:12 one of those slits and make a mark on the back. 25:15 Well, that's if someone is observing. 25:17 If no one is observing what happens, 25:20 the whole wall lights up in an interference pattern. 25:23 Or is that what's happening? 25:25 It's not a photon going through. 25:26 It's waves that are going through both slits and marking up the whole wall. 25:32 Now, if you take a video recorder and videotape it, what happens? 25:35 You see only one mark. 25:37 But if you take the battery out of the video recorder, 25:39 but maybe a small battery and make a little red bleep 25:42 to make it look like look like it's recording what happens. 25:46 The whole wall lights up. 25:48 In other words, waves have a consciousness and that is huge 25:54 because everything is, Well, actually we're surrounded by waves, 25:58 which are really just possibilities. 26:00 We're surrounded by possibilities that only particulate 26:04 when we observe them. Okay. 26:06 So literally you're creating our reality as we're going along. 26:10 Who would want to? 26:12 Well, of course, the work of mushrooms. 26:14 Soto in Japan. 26:16 Very profound. 26:16 That was a New York Times bestselling book. Yeah. 26:19 You took two containers of water, and he sent loving messages to one container. 26:25 He sent hateful messages to the other container of water. 26:28 He then froze it, slice it, looked on the microscopes and under the container. 26:33 Recent loving messages, beautiful crystals and the other container 26:37 which received table messages. 26:39 Chaotic structure. 26:41 He then just wrote on a piece of paper loving messages, taped it on 26:45 to one container, hateful messages, taped it on to the other container. 26:50 He got the identical results and that research was published. 26:55 It was peer reviewed. 26:56 It was duplicated again and again. 26:59 Okay, so this is reality. 27:01 Water knows when it's being loved and when it's being hated. 27:05 And we are 70% water. 27:08 I also to get perspective, 27:11 think of an atom that has a nucleus that's one inch in diameter, 27:17 but the diameter of the atom is one mile. 27:20 In other words, we are 99.999999999% hot air. 27:27 In other words, we are extremely porous. 27:29 When we're in particle shape. 27:31 We may go back and forth between particles and 27:34 and waves, 20,000 times every nanosecond. 27:38 But that's profound because every thought we're generating waves, 27:42 and if we're generating positive waves, that has an immediate healing effect. 27:46 We're having negative waves. 27:47 And immediate detrimental effect over the news is on in the background 27:51 the immediate detrimental effect on our health with that. 27:55 So if we can control our thoughts, our words, and if we control what we hear 28:01 and what we write and act, then 28:05 it's my belief that if we can have thoughts 28:08 that are positive 24 over seven, that we can heal any disorder. 28:11 And so just learning how to do that, of course, is the trick. 28:14 And I can share ideas about that. 28:17 Oh please do. 28:19 And for our audience I'd like them. 28:21 I'm going to put poster some of the some of the work 28:24 that we're talking about AMA inositol in the show notes. 28:27 And then I'm referencing what you've also mentioned about the, the, 28:33 the pseudoscience of creating something beautiful or ugly water.
Quantum Consciousness, Energy, and Positive Intention 28:37 The work of that Japanese doctor that you described. 28:39 And I'll put that in the show notes, but I'd love to hear more about how waves, 28:45 and sound or quantum waves carry emotion. 28:52 How would that be? 28:54 How what would be to say? 28:55 Because they're a real thing. They have a consciousness. 28:58 And of course, everything you know equals MC squared. 29:02 Everything is made out of waves. 29:03 And then my go to particles back to waves. 29:06 But that means, you know, this chair I'm sitting in has a consciousness 29:10 and this house has a consciousness now, hopefully not the same level as we have 29:14 we ever just this and then, you know, the creator has 29:18 much, much, much, much greater consciousness than all of that. 29:23 But everything is alive, you know, pebbles are alive. 29:27 And once we know that and respect that, and that is transformative, in my opinion. 29:33 And, so just like in a children's book, if you wake up in the morning 29:36 and say thank you bed for allowing me to rest, thank you. 29:39 Pillow, you get in your car and you say thank you, car for transporting me. 29:43 Those positive energy thoughts are very healing because 29:47 the more love we send out into the world, that's another law of physics, right? 29:51 Where every action, there's a reaction. 29:53 If we send out love, guess what? 29:55 We're going to receive back love with that. 29:58 And I also meant to share, you know, elite 30:01 athletes, if they want to win a race, what do they do? 30:04 They visualize winning that race. 30:07 And because they visualize it, they're more apt to cross the finish line. 30:11 So if we in terms of what we want in life, you know, we create our reality. 30:16 So what we need to do is let you know the creator, know our wishes 30:20 and our intentions. 30:21 Let the universe know that because just by sending those thoughts 30:25 into the universe that is creative in its effects 30:29 and those go out to the end of the universe. 30:33 And so every thought we have 30:35 has a universal impact, important 30:38 so that it's one thing to do good deeds, but it's it's our thoughts. 30:43 They are every bit as important as the deeds that we perform. 30:47 Yeah. 30:48 Not only is it an expression of what's said 30:53 to all the living things, as well as the life around us 30:57 and the energy and, but also within us as that act and that performance of that, 31:03 that expression has a physiological effect on our internal systems 31:09 as well, since we're all connected, if you're getting chemotherapy, 31:13 you know, visualize that as kind of gold, pure 31:16 energy and light and love going into your body. 31:19 It's going to work much more effectively. 31:21 If it's being appreciated, and loved as it goes into your system. 31:25 And the same thing if you're getting radiation, send love and appreciation 31:28 to magnify the positive outcome that that will have it. 31:32 I had a patient who, 31:34 had ALS, came in a wheelchair, 31:38 and was, did ketamine treatment and part of his, 31:44 treatments and really involved him listening to the music 31:48 and visualizing his nerves, growing and regenerating. 31:54 Because in ketamine, we talk about regeneration rate. 31:56 It's, it's a it has that effect of neuronal, 32:00 dendritic brain, budding and, making new connections 32:05 and also the pruning of inflammatory 32:08 pathways or, conduction systems. 32:12 But and after a series of sessions, 32:17 each time he would described his, 32:20 he had more strength to the point that by the end of his eighth session, 32:25 he was able to get up out of his wheelchair 32:28 and make steps towards a bathroom, which was something that took 32:32 a lot of effort, an extensive amount of effort and energy, 32:37 just to even make that it that, that attempt, 32:40 and the stability even that he described in his gait and his posture 32:45 and, just by doing the visualization 32:49 of, in the experience, with a medicine that again and again has that possible 32:55 activation on the neuronal system, and, and even with music, 33:00 very particular about his music, because we do talk about, sound waves. 33:04 Right. 33:05 And that, neuronal regulation that happens with entrainment to, say, 33:09 the matching of sound and resonance of sound with, again, electrical conduction 33:15 and that regulation in, in a, in a system where 33:18 when we have patients who are anxious or depressed, 33:21 if you look at their, EEG patterns, there is a lot of inflammation. 33:26 You can actually see inflammatory waveforms, 33:29 dysregulated 33:30 waveforms, and while listening to music, 33:34 those waveforms become much more attuned, much more rhythmic, 33:40 and match that circadian rhythm that's in the body. 33:44 Fascinating. 33:46 Yeah. I can share an ALS story. 33:49 Sure. Joy had a gentleman come. 33:52 He was a farmer, and, learned that oftentimes 33:56 Lyme disease is an underlying cause of ALS. 33:59 So once I learned that, I did testing and in fact, was testing, 34:04 kind of confirmed that he had Lyme disease. 34:08 And at that point I thought, oh, wow, I can cure him. 34:10 I can give him all of the side of the antibiotic and, and get him. 34:14 Well, and it was a natural path that, educated me on this topic. 34:20 And so, you know, the doctor these days give specific 34:25 antibiotic consistent forms, antibiotic for the intracellular. 34:29 And so all, forms as well. 34:32 So I did that for started for six weeks. 34:35 And he went into a coma. 34:37 And the natural path, when he talked to me, 34:40 said, oh, yeah, he would have predicted that. 34:42 And while he was in a coma in the hospital for a week, 34:47 he was with Charlie on horseback. 34:49 And Charlie finally told him, you can't stay here. 34:53 You have to go back. 34:54 You have 2 or 3 more. So to say. 34:56 So he woke up and he recovered rather quickly there in the hospital. 35:01 And, he after that, his strength picked up. 35:05 He was given kind of a double dose testosterone, 35:07 along with other strategies of supporting his mitochondria and so forth. 35:12 And he was at 35:13 home now and actually his is love that because 35:16 when he was a farmer, he was always out visiting with other farmers 35:19 and he was never at home. 35:21 But with the ALS, he was right there with them, could share with them. 35:25 And so they loved that. 35:27 And so he lived another two years, and he had, 35:30 in fact saved many more souls than 2 to 3 with that. But, 35:35 oh, lovely story. 35:37 Both. 35:37 Before he got to die, I had to save those 2 to 3 souls. 35:40 Oh, what a beautiful story that is. 35:43 How do you capture these stories with, 35:46 And these are patients that you work with directly? 35:50 And, of course, in their spiritual experience, 35:54 this is a very special, type of experience that they may be having 35:59 in their with their illness and, you know, capturing that. 36:03 How how do you do that? 36:04 Well, after my first patient with spiritual near-death experience, 36:09 I became very inquisitive. 36:10 And, patients that I encountered after that, I use 36:14 that example of the spiritual near-death experience and ask them, 36:18 have you had anything unusual like that happened to you? 36:22 And that's when stories started opening up. 36:25 And often I would hear, well, I haven't even told my spouse this, 36:29 but and stories are amazing. 36:32 For example, coleus. 36:34 So, I young Afro-American, at 18 years of age, 36:39 he, could have been drafted to Vietnam. 36:41 Instead, he volunteered and went to Okinawa. 36:45 And he was kind of a restless guy. 36:48 He was driving a Jeep 36:50 and nearly went over a cliff, but instead ran into a building 36:54 and went into a near-death state where experience the divine. 36:57 And after that, for the next ten years, he traveled the world to. 37:01 He studied every little religion. 37:03 And in India he was telepathically communicating with the yogis there. 37:09 But at the end of ten years, he was starting to have his doubts. 37:12 And he finally said, God proved to me the reality of you, 37:17 be careful what you ask for. 37:19 I can't cross four lanes of traffic and T-boned him, ripped half his nose off. 37:24 He had so many fractures in his face it took several pages. 37:27 Described the radiologic fractures. 37:30 They were seen on X-ray, and once again, he went into a near-death state. 37:35 He said he felt like he was naked, 37:36 sitting in a chair in the middle of New York City. 37:39 He couldn't get under it, couldn't get around it. 37:41 It was very dark. 37:43 And then he felt himself going down a river, 37:46 and there were an individual on the bank who he intuited were his ancestors. 37:52 And then it started to become light. 37:55 And then he felt, in the presence of the Almighty said. 37:58 And, the once again felt the ultimate bliss and love. 38:03 So he didn't ask that question any further, and he didn't have any doubts 38:06 after that. 38:08 But a profound experience. 38:10 And I've had, you know, some personal experiences, 38:13 a number of metaphysical experiences happened to me. 38:16 Not any to that degree of being profound. 38:19 But for example, when my wife and I would go out and walk in the evenings, 38:24 the street lights, you know, 50, 50, they're going to turn on or turn off 38:28 when you're walking around. 38:29 But seven out of eight times they would turn off 38:32 and one out of eight times they would turn on. 38:34 And seven. 38:35 I figured out it was when I'd done good things that they I would turn on. 38:40 And then when, I'd not done good things, 38:44 it would turn out, actually, it was the opposite. 38:46 It would turn off when I'd done good things, I would turn on 38:49 shedding light on that. 38:50 I need to do things better like that. 38:52 But it was not 5050. 38:54 It was very definitely, you know, like, 70. 38:57 It was like 85 to 15% with that. 39:01 But, also I've had precognitive dreams, that's impacted me. 39:06 But probably one of the more profound things is I had a new patient 39:10 come to see me. 39:11 She was, I think, from Colorado. 39:13 And, she'd had three spiritual near-death experiences. 39:16 The more of those experiences you have, the more intuitive you become. 39:20 And the word Ashland and the vision of a college on the Hill came to mind. 39:25 And it was a riddle. 39:26 And she didn't know what the answer was, but she knew she had to find that answer. 39:30 She went to Ashland, Oregon, to visit Lithia 39:33 Springs, there to try to find answers and could not find answers. 39:37 She and her husband then moved to Central Kentucky. 39:39 She came to see me as a new patient, and if she left my town, 39:43 she saw that there was a college on a hill on the edge of town. 39:46 She looked me on YouTube. 39:49 She found a testimonial gave from a dairy foundation in Ashland, Oregon, 39:53 and figured out I was the one that connected the dots. 39:56 So she showed up a month 39:59 after her first visit and my wife was a receptionist. 40:02 She said, well, I've got to see Doctor Roach today. 40:04 And my wife explained that I was booked out 40:06 three months and she said, no, you don't understand. 40:08 I need to see him today. 40:10 My wife's new to work here and I walk in the patient's room 40:14 and she says, you're probably going to think I'm crazy, but. 40:18 And she takes my finger is the index finger 40:21 than the metal one and the fourth and then back to the middle one. 40:24 And I had planned to have, integrative conference. 40:28 I had not announced where it was going to be. 40:31 And I told even my wife that I would think where it was going to be. 40:34 I just decided a month before, and it was going to happen a month later,
Practical Spiritual Techniques for Patients 40:38 and I charged. 40:39 I'd been kind of coached to charge a big price for this conference, 40:43 and, I'd only had 2 40:46 or 3 people sign up, partly because the expense and the 40:51 so the message, she said, is that this conference 40:55 that you're having at Midway University is supposed to happen. 40:59 And that's the message I have for you. 41:01 And she said, it's a powerful message because it costs me to go to Ashland, 41:04 Oregon, and cause my husband and I'd moved to Kentucky to come see you, 41:09 to give you that message that that conference was supposed to happen. 41:13 So we did go forward. 41:15 I only had about four people at the conference, but it was a successful 41:19 conference. 41:20 And I had just this past October, just a couple of months ago, 41:25 our 11th conference in a row. 41:28 And until I get a message to stop those conferences, I will continue to hold them. 41:32 But we've had individuals, we have doctors come from London, England, 41:36 from the practitioners from Canada, from many from Seattle and so forth. 41:41 Come to Central Kentucky to learn integrative, holistic 41:46 and now spiritual, modes of management of patients. 41:50 So I do feel like that's had a big impact. 41:53 It's still arrived early in my gathering. 41:56 We have about 24 that came, but that was a sellout, believe it or not, 42:00 because that's all I could fit into, 42:02 the space where we were having our conference. 42:04 So it's. 42:05 I think it's a it's a great source 42:07 of, of comfort when patients come to you and almost 42:11 like they know there's this knowing that they've known you. 42:15 There is they you can see them, 42:18 you can really sit with things that would be very bizarre or very odd 42:23 and not the usual way of, you know, my patients reveal their story, 42:28 but the meaning that one 42:31 makes of those, can be really beyond 42:35 what we would beyond what you would normally expect for yourself. 42:40 Beyond what? 42:40 I love that the message in spirituality lights up. 42:45 And expands our way of thinking. 42:48 I love how that opens up new ways of kind of understanding 42:53 ourselves and our lives and and even the lives that we connect with. 42:57 Tell me one story 43:00 that really you described in the beginning 43:03 and that negative element of of spiritual experience, 43:07 what meaning does one make of those when things can be fearful and quick? 43:13 I think it means to shape up for the good things 43:16 that we do that are these things right then and not like? 43:20 It's not my belief that there's a hell per se, though, you know, I've had, 43:24 patients. 43:25 I had one patient describe flying over the the Valley of Death 43:29 and looking down and seeing bones in the mud with that. 43:33 But, you can look at, I think 43:38 having to judge ourself as a real negative experience on the other side. 43:43 But if we generate a lot of low vibrations in our life, 43:48 then when we go to the other side, that's what we'll be attracted to. 43:52 We'll end up 43:53 being with other entities of souls that have also generated negative vibrations. 43:59 And that's not the type of company that I would want to be keeping, 44:02 after expiring. 44:04 That's kind of the message I'm getting from some individuals. 44:08 Of course, the many different messages, views, or another way 44:11 to think about it is just separation from the creator, right? 44:15 If you're completely separated alone by yourself for infinity, 44:19 you know, that's that's, could be quite a hellish, type of experience as well, 44:25 mitigate the interactions that make life worthwhile. 44:29 And the same on the other side, being able to interact with other energies there. 44:33 What do you think brings people to fear death? 44:36 What is it about death that we're really fearing? 44:39 Is it the process of dying and the pain of dying 44:42 or separation as you described, or from our from our family? 44:46 From my loved ones? 44:47 Or is it the unknown, the uncertainty, or is it actually a place of fear? 44:53 Is it the place of hell that we fear, or that decision, that judgment? 44:58 And where does these come, come, from? 45:00 Certainly, you know, for a few, there's the fear of hell. 45:03 I'm I kind of live in the Bible Belt in the, in the south part of the country 45:08 where many people have been taught that 45:11 the God is very judgmental. 45:14 And, so you need to cross your t's and dot your upwards, 45:18 or else you'll end up in a hellish place. And. 45:21 And I'm getting the opposite message from under your death. 45:23 Patients. God is love. 45:25 Period. 45:27 And so, but I think it's the finality is part of it. 45:32 And thinking that that things will be over forever if the time of death for some. 45:36 Yeah. 45:37 And particularly for cancer patients, I think the worry about pain, 45:41 and dying and, or maybe giving up dignities 45:45 in the process of death can be part of the, the 45:48 but you can think of fear as being kind of the opposite of love. 45:52 And you can't love and fear simultaneously. 45:54 And so, you know, care for fear is maybe, 45:58 praying and getting in the state of, of love. 46:00 And often it's praying for other individuals. 46:03 So I try to pray with my new cancer patients at the end of the visit. 46:08 And after I have them set that intention for what it is that they want, 46:13 like visualize that grandchild, you know, graduating from college. 46:17 All right, smell it, taste it, 46:19 you know, elaborate as much as you can in your visualizations. 46:23 With that, I lost my train of thought that, 46:26 these techniques that you describe. 46:29 Tell me more about, what are the techniques 46:33 that are used with your patients to when they said that sense of. 46:38 Yeah. 46:38 So number one, 46:39 that your intentions before you get out of bed, after you go to bed at night 46:43 so that you're the what you want to happen in the world, 46:47 let it be known and you know, Jack Canfield. 46:50 And there is a documentary, I think The Secret. 46:53 Right. 46:53 And that's one strategy for if you want to become rich, you can taste, 46:58 magazine pictures of rich people 47:00 in your room and, you know, visualize that. 47:03 And sure enough, it works. 47:05 Because if that's what you're thinking about, 24 seven, that's what will happen. 47:09 But that doesn't translate into happiness. 47:12 Those are two different things. 47:14 I'm so saying those intentions. 47:16 Number one. Number two, make an angry list. 47:18 Remember when you've been angry with your whole life 47:20 and send love to those people on a daily basis? 47:22 Number three, forgive three people every day, and maybe 47:25 there's some you need to ask for forgiveness from as well. 47:29 With that number 410 things you're grateful for every morning 47:33 and then ten different things you're grateful for every evening. 47:36 And if you have low self-esteem, write down 47:39 ten things that you like about yourself every day. 47:43 Because guess what? 47:43 The creator doesn't make any mistakes. 47:45 You're not an accident. 47:47 You're perfect the way you were created. 47:49 None of us make mistakes. 47:52 None of us have missed opportunities. 47:54 Everything has happened just the way it was supposed to. 47:57 But we can, you know, still through free will, create, 48:00 what we want by setting those intentions. 48:04 True. There. 48:04 If you have a negative thought, you have maybe 17 seconds to 48:08 you can say cancel, cancel to get out of that negative side 48:12 and switch gears and a positive thought that you have 17 seconds 48:16 to keep it from snowballing into a second and third negative thought. 48:19 With that, and when you switch, you know, emotions are not supposed to be 48:24 part of what the brain is doing. 48:26 The brain is supposed to solve problems. 48:27 It's not supposed to. We get tangled up in emotions. 48:30 So when you find yourself getting emotional, might take 48:33 some belly breaths and chest belly breaths and switch out of your brain
Child Loss, Sacred Moments, and Closing Reflections 48:37 into your heart, which is about love and peace. 48:40 Okay? 48:41 And so your those emotions will fade away as you move into that heart space 48:46 with them. 48:47 So those are some of the things I have a spiritual 48:50 the handout that lists, 25 or 30 other, strategies along with those. 48:56 Oh, wow. 48:57 This is something sounds fascinating. 49:00 And it definitely, can be so applicable to in our healthcare field. 49:04 As a pediatric hospitalist, witnessing death, 49:08 of a child is very, very painful, even for the family and less 49:14 for the child, but more for the family and for even the providers and clinicians. 49:18 I can remember every one of my patients, 49:22 family, especially as, as, you know, as, 49:25 as they had to release their child to another, another place. 49:30 And that witnessing, 49:33 and the solutions that's the key is, you know, that that grows their faith 49:39 and they have to explore to understand how could that happen? 49:42 And as your faith grows, then you learn. 49:45 Or maybe that soul decided before it was born 49:49 that this was going to happen at this time. 49:52 And then another perspective is that another soul may be sent down 49:56 to replace the soul that that died, or that particular soul is not, 50:01 you know, is not gone forever, that it will experience life. 50:05 Again. 50:07 So yeah, it's there growth opportunities. 50:09 But yes, when it happens to our child, it's such a, initially a profound 50:14 grief experience, but but if we learn quantum physics 50:17 and the rest of this, it totally changes our perspective about those events. Yes. 50:23 I worked overseas for ten years. 50:25 And was able to witness and the 50:29 the importance of the spiritual component in the hospital room. 50:34 Often patients would have a spiritual prayer going on, on the TV screen. 50:39 It wasn't usual CNN. 50:41 It was actually they would have, you know, spiritual prayers. 50:45 At the bedside, there would be people coming in and families coming in, 50:50 to be with the child and be with the family. 50:54 And there were, you know, 50:57 a lot of special, moments, 51:01 I think, and I was able to witness that peace. 51:05 Very sacred time. 51:06 It's it is a sacred experience. 51:08 And the healing, even with pain, 51:12 healing, even with pain. 51:15 And the there is a there's an element of beauty 51:18 and poetry in that healing with pain. 51:22 And that's a lot of the works, of of dying. 51:27 In that release and that component of what is felt 51:32 and what is experience, can be really painful. 51:35 But again, what emerges is something beautiful and a different 51:40 art form and a different expression and different creativity, 51:43 you know, and and the importance of love and the importance of connection 51:47 and the importance of those moments that are more authentic. 51:53 And I'm sure you've heard the reports of, and some individuals can visualize, 51:59 you know, Jesus or predeceased ancestors or some other holy figure coming down, 52:04 an angel coming down, grabbing the hand and taking that soul upward. 52:09 Right. 52:10 Some people can visualize that, others can sense that. 52:13 But that when you do understand that, 52:17 that that completely changes the perspective. 52:20 It becomes a celebration. 52:22 Thank you for tuning in to Doctor Talks. 52:24 We hope today's episode has enlightened 52:26 and inspired you on your path to optimal health. 52:29 Each day is a new opportunity to make choices that empower your well-being. 52:33 For more insights and strategies, subscribe to our podcast 52:37 and visit our website w ww di doctor Talksport.com. 52:42 Stay connected, stay healthy and join us next time on Doctor Talks. 52:47 Real talks from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most.
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