Survive And Thrive: Conquering Breast Cancer With Natural Medicine

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

I am so excited to be here. Dr. Michael, this is a wonderful event, and I know you are hosting it. I appreciate you sharing my message of hope with your audience.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Thank you. For all of you out there, Dr. Veronique Desaulniers, better known as Dr. V, is the founder of Breast Cancer Conquer and the Seven Essential Systems. Her signature process has empowered thousands of women in over 63 countries around the world. Her mission is to save lives, one breast at a time. Dr. B has personally conquered breast cancer twice, which gives her an empathetic perspective to understand other women facing a health journey. Her signature book, Healed Breast Cancer Naturally, is the number one Amazon bestseller in ten categories and in five countries. Dr. V has also bridged the gap between the pink breast cancer movement and natural medicine by creating a revolutionary program called How to Survive and Thrive. Conquering breast cancer would require conventional treatments and natural medicine. You are such a powerful woman. What you are doing and the impact you have on the world. Tell me a little bit about how it all started. You mentioned that you conquered it twice. Tell me a little bit about what took place and what happened.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Well, certainly not what I expected I would be doing at this stage of my life. Life happens. I am a chiropractor by profession. About 25 years into my practice, I was like a wellness warrior and way ahead of my time when it came to natural healing. But I was getting ready for work. This was 2004, and I was in the shower doing a breast exam, and bam, I felt that lump in my left breast that changed my life professionally and personally forever. I had to ask myself, “How could somebody like me develop breast cancer?” I know cancer is just a symptom. It is not the cause. I had to ask myself: What was the root cause? I had eaten organic before organic was in style. I breastfed my children. I had a home birth, chiropractic, and exercise. You name it, I was doing it. I literally sat down with a pen and pad and said, “What is it going to take for me to get to this root cause and get on this healing journey so I can reverse this path?” I felt like it was a download, and I just started writing, and this is how I came up with the seven essential systems. It is a registered process that basically involves thousands of women around the world. It helped me get through my healing journey. I am sure we’ll get into the seven essentials. Fast forward: I threw up a website in 2012. I sold my chiropractic practice, trying to figure out what I was going to do for stage two of my life. I just got a lot of messages about sharing your healing journey. This could help other women. 2012 threw up a website, Breast Cancer Conqueror, and became the face of healing breast cancer naturally. About three or four years into that process, I was working from sunup to sundown. I was stressed out.

I was not sleeping well. My hormones were off. I had cavitation; there’s just a lot of things going on. I created the perfect storm for cancer to show up again. In 2015, I discovered again that I have breast cancer. That time was a lot more difficult for me because there was a lot of shame. I just felt like, Am I a fraud? Here I am, the breast cancer conqueror, but I am facing a recurrence. How could this happen? I had to pull back and say, “I needed to get this right this time and apply what I was teaching to other women.” I restructured my work. I cut back on my work. I trained some coaches so I could have some time to heal and to dig deep this time, still using the seven essentials but digging a lot deeper. It took me three years—the second time—and no conventional treatments at all. But I was able to reverse the cancer, and as of 2018, I was able to stand on the stage literally and tell my community that this is what I have gone through the last three years, and here’s the before and here’s the after. The good news is that I am happier and healthier than I’ve ever been. I learned a lot on that healing journey.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

What do you think? Because a lot of times, in cancer, you look at all the physical factors like you were talking about, and you beat cancer, and then you feel almost like you are invincible. You get to do all this. You are this productive woman, type A, I would say. How important is it for people to recognize that you have to love yourself, take care of yourself, and maybe just be a sympathetic being out there? Type A production is not the solution.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Exactly. That was my biggest takeaway from my second healing journey. Just realized that my whole life, I was nose to the grindstone, and my typical cancer personality puts other people first. I was a workaholic and didn’t deal with my stress and emotions in a healthy way. Everything is fine. Those things catch up with you. I learned what it felt like for my body to be stressed. I started using a tool called Hard Math Apps. The little clip measures my heart rate variability. I discovered that when I was meditating, I was not meditating while I was still in the red zone, still in the fight or flight. I learned to connect that feeling of being in that relaxation mode with how it felt in my body. Now, when I feel that shift and I am getting into that stress mode again, I say, “Now stop. I am not going down that path anymore. That was a big, big lesson for me.” Learning about recurrence and breast cancer stem cells was another big aha. We think that we can ring the bell and that you are cancer-free. But in reality, once you create that cancer in your body, you have to be vigilant because those breast cancer stem cells can lay dormant and can be triggered by stress, lifestyle, bad diet, and all those things. I spent a lot of time learning about that and what we can do to keep those at bay. That part of my mission, too, is to teach women that they never have to fear breast cancer again. Once they understand what cancer is, what it is not, how it works, and what you can do to weaken it and strengthen your body, there’s no fear because you have a large measure of control over how your body reacts to cancer.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

I’ve asked this question to a lot of the experts participating in the summit. In your mind, what is cancer?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

That is a good question. Cancer is a symptom that your body is out of balance, and your life is out of balance. It is an indication that your body is tapping you on the shoulder, and it is telling you to pay attention to your life, to your lifestyle, and to yourself. That is basically what cancer is to me.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

I could not agree more. I do not know how many patients have come and said cancer has been my greatest blessing because you have to do what you did, meaning you have to create that inventory and go through what I am not doing right in my life. What do I need to bring in in order to be able to feel full and fulfilled, have a purpose, and do all the other things? What am I exposed to chemically? What am I eating? With all these different things, you have to do an inventory. I was curious when you sat down that first time and wrote down the seven factors. Yes. What are those seven factors?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

The seven essentials are Number one, let food be your medicine. Number two is to reduce your toxic exposure. Number three is to balance your energy. That is everything, from your hormones to your sleep to your exercise. Number four is to heal the emotional wounds. Number five is to embrace biological dentistry. We know that connection. Number six is all the therapeutic plants, herbs, and supplements that can boost your immune system and kill cancer. Number seven is practicing early detection and keeping a pulse on your health. I recommend a lot of tests that are used outside of conventional medicine, and some that are done so that people can understand what’s going on in their body even though they are cancer-free, according to their medical doctor. If their inflammatory markers are high or they have high levels of circulating tumor cells, then we know they still need to continue to do the work.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

For women out there who are concerned, what are the statistics now in regard to breast cancer?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Well, years ago, it was one in eight. Now, the latest thing that I’ve seen is one in six. Every year, they say that by 2050, every other person is going to have some form of cancer. For women with breast cancer or another kind of cancer, the statistics are not getting any better. Look at the environment; look at all the estrogens that we are exposed to. It is no wonder.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

For early detection, what are the things that you are suggesting? You mentioned a few things to monitor, but how should a woman do it in order to be on top of it?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

The standard of care in the prevention world is mammography, and I’ve never had a mammogram. I am not telling anybody in the audience not to have one. It is a personal decision. We know that mammography can increase your risk of breast cancer, based on studies done. There was a 20-year study done on 90,000 women in Canada, and they found that there was no benefit at all to mammography screening. There was no change in mortality. The compression, the radiation—if you have a small tumor, what is that doing to that tumor? If you choose to do a mammogram, then always back that up with an ultrasound. We know that with the increase in fibrocystic disease, because of all the chemicals in the environment and all the sugars that people are eating, there are more cysts in their breasts. 48% of the time, they’ll miss the tumor. It is like trying to see a polar bear in a snowstorm. Everything looks the same. Back it up with an ultrasound. Another choice for screening would be thermography. Thermography does not diagnose cancer. The only way to diagnose cancer is through a biopsy, which I do not recommend. But that’s another story. Or there are ways to protect yourself if you are going to do one. But thermography reads the infrared heat coming off your body. If there’s inflammation, it is going to show up as red. You can actually see patterns of blood flow where the tumor is being formed. That can give you an idea of what’s happening in your body. But again, back it up with an ultrasound. Do not rely just on one screening tool. Then there’s a lot of various blood tests, everything from the RGCC, the research genetic cancer center in Greece, where they filter your blood. Look at the circulating tumor cells, grow those in the lab, and then test 50 different natural substances against the cancer cells to see which ones are more effective. It takes the guesswork out of targeting the cancer. They can also test chemotherapy agents at the same time. That is a very useful test. It can even tell you if you are not sure if you have cancer; it can detect and tell you what kind of cancer you have. There are other tests, like the gallery test, which can detect 50 different kinds of cancer. There are different companies that look at cancer DNA and pre-cancer DNA in the blood, like Signatera. They’ll measure that every three months to see how the treatments are going. Inflammatory markers, vitamin D, and thyroid are all the basic things that are so important to understanding what’s happening in your body.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

It sounds to me that ultrasound and thermography seem to be important based on what I am hearing just by looking at them physically. Obviously, looking at markers in your blood is important because you can see patterns and what direction you are moving without having to see physical objects. Shouldn’t a person then just go to the ultrasound? When did that seem to be the safest, and just skip the mammogram so you do not squish and radiate?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Well, I would recommend ultrasound and thermography over mammography. That is a personal choice. When I say these things, I always get emails. I found my tumor through a mammogram, and blah, blah, blah, blah—those sorts of things. It is a personal choice. It is not to say that mammography has not had its place. With the higher DEF, the 3D, and all of that, yes, they do find things. But at the same time, you have to think about how radiation causes cancer. You have to weigh the odds and the benefits. You can protect your body by taking high-dose melatonin, curcumin, tocotrienols, and vitamin E before, during, and after you have those procedures done. It is a personal choice.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, and to me, you want to minimize using tools that cause what it is that you are trying to detect. Yes.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Yes.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

That makes sense to me.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Yes.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

I know we started talking a lot about where you are in your life because of the recurrence. Something that fascinates me is the emotions, the trauma, and the wounds that we carry. That was one of the seven factors. I want to make sure that we can get into that a little bit deeper. When you looked there for yourself, what did you see?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Well, I knew I was just so stressed out about what I was doing. I come from a family of alcoholics. I grew up in an alcoholic environment. I was sexually abused between the ages of three and five by a convicted pedophile. This was in the late 1950s. Police went door to door to warn the families in the neighborhood. My parents were not well, but I found out they were aware. But as a child, I did not know that had happened to me. I grew up as an adult, living with a wounded child and running her life. By the time I reached my late forties and early fifties, that’s when that memory came to me after doing lots of therapy. I was shocked. I was shocked that this had happened to me. But I called my mom and my sisters. They all knew. But it was like a family secret. There was more work to do there. There was a lot of work to do on me, and I was just learning to forgive myself, forgive others, nurture that little girl inside of me, which I have never done, and let her know that she was safe and she’d never be harmed again. I did a lot of work. I worked with two different EMT coaches.

I did E-Box, which is a form of electronic voice recognition where the software recognizes the stress in your voice and energetically with frequencies. Homeopathy can help to balance out those stressors. That was very helpful for me, and I took time for myself for the first time in my life. If I wanted to take a nap, I would take a nap. I wouldn’t push through it with another cup of coffee or whatever. That was the biggest shift in my journey. I did all the other stuff and then stopped physically taking all the IVs, supplements, and enemas. But the emotional aspect was such a huge shift for me. I tell my community that if I were to start over again, I think I would put the emotional one as number one because it is so important. I’ve seen that. Working with women with breast cancer for 11 years now, I can see women with the same diagnosis doing the same therapy; one does the emotional work. One doesn’t have a clue or doesn’t do it. It is amazing the results and the difference in their results in healing cancer.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, it seems like it becomes a gravity point. Yes. When you have that trauma, that emotion just kind of pulls you into a body desire to communicate stronger, which is what it does with cancer, and letting that go seems like it becomes a gravity point. When you have that trauma, that emotion just kind of pulls you into a body desire to communicate stronger, which is what it does with cancer, and letting that happen means you have not looked at the core component yet. You have to look harder. I am not saying that supplements, vitamin C, IVs, and all these things are not great. They are fantastic. But if you do not get rid of that trauma, that sliver that’s there will bother you. You are still just going to be trying to mask in some way or trying to prop up a system that wants to fall down.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Yes. When you were saying that, it reminded me of the hamster on the wheel. If you keep doing the things you’ve always done, you are going to get the same results. Another thing that I focused on was Dr. Joe Dispenza’s work. You are the placebo. Understanding that process and realizing how powerful the brain chemistry, our psycho-neuroimmunology, and our body are at listening to every thought we have, produces these neurotransmitters and proteins that we ourselves listen to, including the cancer cells. That was so powerful for me. It was empowering. I have a lot of control over how my body reacts, and we understand the science of epigenetics. Bruce Lipton, and all of that. We can change the expression of our genes by how we manage our stress, by how we think, and by the thoughts that we have. That’s such a powerful message for women who are healing or anybody who is on a cancer journey.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes. I could not agree more. Also, you mentioned in regard to the people that are ringing the bell and saying that and thinking that they are done. They go back to the normal patterns that they had prior to that, which obviously created the cancer to start with. How frequently do you see that? With all the people that you are counseling,

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

We see a lot of women who come to us with a recurrence. I do not have a percentage, but I would venture to say at least 50% or 60% where they maybe did the conventional and five years later, ten years later, or less than that, here they are again, but they do not want to go that route anymore. They are open to trying something different. To be clear, when I started this whole process of healing breast cancer, naturally that was my focus. But over time, I did see many instances where women had good intentions and wanted to heal naturally. But for whatever reason—the kind of cancer or whatever was happening in their life—the cancer kept growing, and they weren’t seeing the results. They were what they were anticipating. That is the time when conventional medicine is okay. I stress that now because we just launched that program back in the fall, How to Survive and Thrive, with conventional treatments and natural medicine. I found that there was almost shame and guilt in our community. “Oh, I want to heal naturally, but I am not going to tell. I am not going to tell anybody. Am I going to have a lumpectomy or what? If I do chemo, everybody’s going to look down on me.” There is no shame in whatever method you choose if you believe that chemo is a healing nectar. I’ve seen that many times and women then do great through their treatments versus seeing it as a poison that is going to kill me and cancer. It is about balance and letting women find their place. It doesn’t matter what kind of treatment you receive. The important thing is that you get well, that you get to the core issues, and that you follow that seven-essential lifestyle because that’s what’s going to keep the cancer from recurring.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

The beauty is that by starting naturally, using the seven essentials, you prepare your body so that it comes from a place of strength. You can then use whatever traditional oncology therapies you can use as that push. But then you have that strength, and that immune system is as much stronger. Your detox organs are there; your tissue is not going to be damaged as much because they are more vibrant, and being able to handle the chemo, the radiation, or whatever it is that you are choosing to do becomes so powerful that you get the marriage of the two.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Yes. There are so many questions that come up because they’ll hear from their oncologist, “Do not take supplements. It is going to undo what cancer is doing, or there’s no science behind it.” I disagree with that because the science is there. There are many studies—decades of studies—that show that certain antioxidants, like curcumin, will actually enhance the benefits of chemotherapy and protect your cells at the same time. It is a matter of educating women and the pink movement, which is so focused on just one method. There was a survey done in 2021, I think, with oncologists and women with breast cancer. 73% of them were doing complementary medicine along with conventional medicine. The pattern is there, and this is what women want. It is my responsibility to let others know that there are other things out there that you can do.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Patients always ask me. What would you do? I tell them because I have not had cancer. My father died from colon cancer. That has kind of been my exposure over and above in my profession. I tell him that I can think one way now, but I do not know what I would think if I were in his shoes, and so I do not want to project what I believe from a place where I do not have it. You, as a person, have to truly connect and feel what feels right to you and how you want to address this. Whatever person chooses, I do believe wholeheartedly that you have to integrate with natural medicine in order to be able to have a good outcome.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Yes. I want to share a story from one of our clients, Tara Coyote. She’s incredible. Started off with us healing breast cancer naturally. She was in stage three, and she did great for the first couple of years, but then she had a lot of trauma. She had to sell her horse farm sanctuary, which caused her lots of financial stress because healing cancer naturally is not cheap. The cancer came back like a raging She was stage four in the lungs. A liver fracture literally fractured her femur, and she was living in Hawaii at the time. The doctors there were softer when it came to oncology. They said it was time we sent her to hospice or she could face your demons and try chemotherapy because she was like never. And she wanted to live. She wants to give it a shot. She did the chemo, and she is vibrantly healthy. There is no evidence of disease. Now, several years later, it was tough to go through that. She did what she had to do to survive and thrive.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes. That is a key. There is a place for everything. When you choose to do it. Yes. Instead of thinking, “Oh, it is poison,” think loving thoughts and just kind of see how it then goes after all the things that it needs to do and go after. Yes. I actually interviewed Tara on my podcast. She’s such a horrible woman. Yes, she’s got an amazing story. Yes. Discuss cavitation briefly because it is something that many people believe is near the bottom of their priority list. They do not think that it is that important. When you ask if you have root canals, you say yes. The last thing people want to do is start to pull teeth now. Tell me a little bit about how important that was and why you felt that that should be one of the seven factors.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Well, if we just start from the basics, if you have silver fillings, they are not silver. They are 50% mercury. Mercury is a metallo estrogen. It mimics and stimulates estrogen production in your body. A root canal is a dead organ. It is producing lots of toxicity and infections. Even if it looks okay on the x-ray, it is like having a dead gallbladder appendix in your body. No matter how clean or septic they try to make it, there’s always an infection of some sort, causing all kinds of diseases and autoimmune and immune suppression. From a chemical point of view, you have to look at those two factors. Gum disease. Post-menopausal women who have gum disease are twice as likely to develop breast cancer. Work with a biological dentist who knows how to measure that. You look at it from an energetic point of view because your teeth are connected to all your organs through the acupuncture meridian system. If there’s something sitting on your breast meridians—there’s four up here and two down here—then that could be a causative factor as well. I’ve had my amalgams taken out by Huggins dentists back in the early nineties. Way back in the day, I had 16 fillings—16 metal fillings—in my mouth. How am I still alive? I went through that process. But I never knew about cavitation until my second healing journey. Sure enough, I did the cone beam and found I think there were four or five, so I went to Dr. Nunnally in Marble Falls, Texas, and had those cleaned up. I am still doing some work because the bonding that they used back in 1990 is cracking and not good. I am getting those replaced with cleaner and harder materials. It is a never-ending process to make sure that your mouth is clean.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, that’s fascinating. I had one of my patients with stage four breast cancer. She said the root canal was infected. We did the 3D scan and found it was infected. tooth. That is what you are saying. On the meridian, right over the breast, she had the tumors. It is uncanny how that correlates when you investigate it.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Yes, that’s very fascinating about how the body works.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

What they are saying in regards to cancer: There’s so many diets out there, and some people say ketogenic, plant-based, and then we have the Kelly way, then we have yes.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Carnivore, paleo.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, what do you suggest? How do you counsel women in regards to what to eat when you are dealing with breast cancer?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Well, I would start off by telling them there’s no one-size-fits-all. If somebody tells you that, run the other way, because it is not just plant-based and it is not just carnivore; it depends on you because we are all biologically individual. I do recommend that they do nutrition genome testing, which is a DNA test that looks at their genetic weaknesses and how nutrition and supplements can support those weaknesses. That gives you a big clue right there. Big picture organic as much as possible. Lots of good veggies on your plate, obviously lots of cruciferous with women with breast cancer, and then clean protein. If you choose to eat meat, make sure that it is grass-fed and pasture-raised. No antibiotics, no hormones, and measure your blood sugar. That is also significant because I have only been doing this for over 30 years. When I was on my second healing journey, I ramped it up. But I was not feeling well after I juiced. I was studying Doctor Nasha’s The Terrain and the Approach to Keeping Your Fasting Blood Sugars Down, Your Fasting Insulin, and all that. That was a new concept for me: being metabolically flexible. When I started testing my blood sugar, it was off the charts,, and HB1C was high. I dove into Hardcore, which was ketogenic for about six months like Hardcore was just trying to stay in ketosis with the fats and hardly any carbs. It helped me with my metabolic inflexibility, but for me, I could not do that long-term. I am more balanced. I am careful with my carbs. I do not eat any grains, lentils, beans, peas, or any of those things. I keep a pulse on my bloodwork to see how my blood sugar is.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

The key is that each individual is different, and you have to learn what’s working for you by looking at them genetically and what they are doing. I have patients, and I’m measuring their blood sugar for the first month. You do a little pinprick and see how you are responding to your food because you never know. It may be that avocado is the healthiest thing ever, and you are all of a sudden spiking on it, and each person is so different.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Yes, totally.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

If people want to dive deep into the seven factors, they need to get your book. I have it on my shelf, and it is an awesome book. It is a kind of foundation to build your health on. The last point that I wanted to address was a little bit more about the supplements. That’s a big question. What are some of the core supplements that you feel women should look at when dealing with breast cancer?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Well, definitely vitamin D. You want to make sure your vitamin D levels are optimal, but in the therapeutic range between 80 and 100, there are lots of vitamin C, lots of trace minerals, magnesium, zinc, and selenium. Those are key because they are all related to your immune system. I prefer liposomal vitamin A and liposomal vitamin D, and then you get into the cancer killers, like the medicinal mushrooms, the high-dose melatonin, and and curcumin products like Poly MVA or SAL. There are so many that we could spend the whole day just talking about that aspect. But again, the key is to test and assess. Do not guess; make sure that what you are doing is working for you,; and do not stay on the same supplements for a year at a time. Turn things up. Otherwise, the cancer cells could become resistant to what those supplements and nutrients are trying to do. Change it up, every month or every 90 days, so that you are shifting, a great way to test to see what you need and and which supplements are going to work best for you is the RG-CC test. There are numerous doctors all over the world who use the test and can help you with it.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, it is. A test I know that we use as well. Is there anything else you’d like to say before we wrap things up for the women out there?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Yes. Essential number three is to balance your energy. Part of that is balancing your hormones. Your hormones, ladies, do not cause cancer. Your conventional doctors will tell you, You’ve got a PR positive. We have got to give you aromatase inhibitors, or premenopausal Tamoxifen, and some drugs. Your hormones, if they are balanced properly, are not driving the cancer. It is all the chemical estrogens and all the things that you are exposed to that are stimulating. They are upsetting the hormone balance in your body. Another factor for you to understand is whether or not you are processing, metabolizing, or methylating your hormones properly because I discovered that I don’t. I’ve got those MTHFR and SNIPs that keep you from methylating and breaking down your hormones properly. If you have that, then you can supplement to support those pathways so that those aggressive estrogens can be separated from the body and not keep recirculating. Keep in mind that your hormones do not cause cancer. Every 20-year-old on the planet would have cancer if that were the case. Try to reason about it. There are a lot of things that you can do to keep your hormones properly balanced.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

A female that let us say they have done a lumpectomy and they do not want to do chemo, they do want radiation, and the oncologist says, Well, at least we need to do a hormone blocker because it is PR-positive like tamoxifen. In that state, you would say that your natural hormones did not create it. Tamoxifen is not the solution. You should measure your hormones, and you should optimize them using bioidentical if you need to. Is that what you would suggest?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Well, we do not tell women to take those drugs or not take them. That is their personal choice. I would say another one of the main questions we get is: I’ve been on these drugs, and it is making me feel terrible. I have osteoporosis, can’t think, and all these things. We’ll have them do saliva testing, and we’ll teach them what it takes to balance their hormones properly. Some use homeopathy, some use herbs, and some use bioidentical. It is what they feel comfortable with. Find out if you have a methylation issue, and if you do, let us support that process. There are things like melatonin, fermented soy, and other flax that can help keep those hormones properly balanced.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes. That is the key to what you are saying. These chemical hormones that we are exposed to: what we are cleaning our counters with, what we are washing our clothes with, whatever the mascara, the makeup, and all these things that we put on that have xenoestrogens. That is where the big problem is. That is what you need to support to clear out because that sends such a strong signal compared to your own hormones.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Yes. They are a thousand times stronger than our hormones. Our little cells do not stand a chance against powerful chemicals like that.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Dr. V, you have such a powerful mission, and you are touching so many people all over the world. It is such a pleasure to know you, and I also appreciate the amazing information that you bring to the world. Thank you so much for spending this time with me.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Thanks for including me in your summit and sharing this message of hope. There are too many women out there who need to hear this message.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Where can people go to find you?

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

breastcancerconqueror.com, Facebook, Instagram, and our Web site. We have so much free information there for women to learn about their healing.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Get your book.

Veronique Desaulniers, DC

Yes, obviously. Get the book Heal Breast Cancer Naturally. I am actually working on book number three, the Survive and Thrive Program. That should be out, hopefully by the end of the year.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Wonderful. Well, thank you so much.