The 4-Steps To Decrease MCAS And Increase Energy

Introduction and Energy Overview 0:00

Through. Hey, everybody. Doctor Tom Moorcroft here again with you. And thanks for joining us for this episode of the reversing Mast cell Activation and Histamine Intolerance Summit. And today I'm pumped. I get to talk to a really great friend of mine, Doctor Evan Hirsch. He's known as the energy MD. And today's conversation is going to be so good because there so many of us who are experiencing, you know, mast cell activation syndrome, issues with histamine, a lot of things that we deal with our low energy and all the other things that go along with it.

So, Doctor Evan is really going to be helping us understand that, today some more and a little is, you know, his background, he's world renowned expert in, energy medicine, and optimizing your energy. He's also a bestselling author and professional speaker. He created the energy MD method, and it's a science backed and clinically proven four step process to increase your energy naturally. Through his bestselling book, his podcasts, and international online telehealth programs, you can basically access this information from Doctor Hirsch everywhere.

He's been able, with these programs to help thousands of people around the world increase their energy and their happiness. He's also been featured on a whole bunch of different TV shows, podcast summits like this one. And when he's not in the office, you can find him singing musical dancing hip hop, which I've witnessed, which you have to totally check out, and playing basketball with his family. So Evan, thanks for joining us today. Thanks so much for having me on time. Yeah, I'm so excited. I mean, it's just like I just remember, like one of the first times we hung out, like, you know, we were dancing, you know, and it's one of the things I think really, I hope comes through.

And what we're talking about today is like, you know, a lot of our and for me, a lot of our energy has to do with just going out and doing cool stuff. Things you love in your life. And so really, I just want to, you know, ask you like, kind of what's the deal with the energy management, right? I mean, because it's just like, you know, like, I feel like some days in the energy Energizer bunny, some days I'm kind of like, I don't have a lot of energy. And I know that, like, if I go hang out with you at a party somewhere at a conference, I'm going to get energized.

But some other days I don't have that. So kind of like, how do you unpack all that stuff? So it's really like any other condition where you're looking at mind, body, spirit and emotions, you know, what are each of those things doing during that that moment when you're, you know, you're feeling great, but you're not feeling great? You know, I know you talk a lot about mindset and that's a huge part of this, you know, are you living in gratitude? You know, are you are you in a place where you're actually envisioning and you're creative, or are you in a place where you're doing kind of more of the mundane and you really can't appreciate it, you know, and then what's the total body burden on your body?

You know, like in terms of toxicities and heavy metals and chemicals and molds and infections, etc.. Right. And then where's your emotional health at? You know, are you being triggered by everything that you're coming and everybody that you're coming into contact with, you know, or are you able to sit with some of this discomfort that happens from time to time, or a lot of times, depending on who you are and what your experiences have been in life, but it's looking at all of those things mind, body, spirit, emotion, where when you're working on the health of all of those and you're constantly looking for more improvement in each one of those, that you're really going to achieve your best energy and your best self.

Nice. I love it, man.

Personal Fatigue Journey and Root Causes 3:38

It's it's like talking my language. And so, I mean it like it's great. Like like I'm so, pumped about energy. I remember the days where I had chronic fatigue and it turned out to be Lyme and a few other things that I know. So many of us have experienced that. But, you know, what can you tell us a little bit about, like, your personal journey and what really got you into fixing fatigue and creating this energy MD method? Yeah. So the first thing that I, my first experience with it really was when my wife became fatigued.

We fell in love in 2004. I just started my family medicine residency, and three months later she couldn't get out of bed. She was still she was running a business. She had three employees. She was still managing things, but about. And about three years later, after doing a number of different things, she was about 80% better. But it took three years. But then we got married. We had a kid. I started my practice, graduated residency. All that sort of stuff started and started my own practice. And then a couple of years later, I got chronic fatigue and lasted for five years and just about destroyed everything, destroyed my life, destroyed my relationships.

You know, my wife, she's getting over fatigue. We've got this newborn and I can't even help out with the dishes. You know, I'm, like, taking naps at work, looking up at the desk every single day, you know, just trying to hide your clothes, trying to hide from my staff being like, hey, I'm just going to be busy for, you know, a half an hour or whatever. Needed to lie down on my back from my past symptoms. You know? And it was after, you know, doing that for about 1000 days where I'm looking up at the bottom of the desk and be like, yo, I know how to do this.

I'm already practicing functional medicine. Like what? What is my problem? And I wasn't really applying it to myself. And so I started applying things to myself. And then I learned more about environmental medicine. You know, because functional medicine is great, but sometimes it's not covering everything. Like like the heavy metals, the chemicals, the molds, the infections, the Lyme, Epstein-Barr virus, like, like not all that stuff can you necessarily find in functional medicine. So the environmental medicine was really huge for me, applied it to myself, started helping myself, wrote the book, helped thousands of people at this point, feel very grateful for the journey.

You know, my mess became my message. Yeah, I know exactly what it feels like, man. It's just like, no matter what it's like, whether I slept for hours or 12 hours, I still felt like crap. Had no energy. And yeah, you have to find your thing. So you said something really interesting that I think, is really important. Like, it sounds like you knew the tools, like you had the tools there. Maybe you needed to add a few, but but you weren't applying them to yourself. I mean, have you found through your own journey and working with thousands of people now to recover their energy?

I mean, have you found something that commonly holds people back from actually applying this in their own life? Like I know the answer, or I know what I should be doing next, but I'm not doing it. Yeah, well, some of it has to do with mentorship, you know, and that there's just not good follow up. You know, people like, oh, I'm going to get a protocol from so-and-so. And that's going to take care of all of my issues. You know, when people contact us and they're like, oh, can I just have one appointment?

Like one appointment is really not going to help you. Like, so much of this is the nuances I tell people, like figuring out your causes can take like a couple of hours and then replacing your deficiencies can take about a month. But then dealing with removing the heavy metals, the chemicals, the molds and the infections takes like 6 to 20 4 to 36 months, right? Depending on the number of causes they have and the severity of each one of those causes and where they need help is the nuances and all the bumps in the road.

Right. And that's why they need a mentor. They need a coach. They need somebody who's going to like, hold their hand every step of the way. And when they are confused and when they are frustrated, they have to have that coach who's also supporting them from the mindset being like, yo, we want you to I don't say yo on interviews off. It's just because I'm hanging out with you. I know, right? I was going to say I was like me talking now I love it. It's like, yo, we need to have acceptance for where we are when we're frustrated, and we have to have a vision for where we want to go.

But we can't just have that vision without having acceptance and gratitude for where we are. Like there is a message that we're supposed to be receiving. Illness is trying to teach us something. It's teaching us to slow down. It's teaching us. Mindfulness is teaching us awareness, teaching us community. If we have to come into community, if we have to ask for help, like there's so many different messages that we have to learn as part of this becomes, essentially a spiritual path in addition to all those other components.

So. Well said. I could not agree more. I mean, there's so much of it's like the, you know, I talk so much about, like, a lot of us are saying, hey, I'm here, I want to be there, but there's this huge gap and I'm like, but look where you came from and look how much you've learned or what is your illness trying to do? I mean, I'm just think about you like, what if you had never experienced chronic fatigue? You know, we wouldn't have that amazing book on the shelf behind you wouldn't have all these programs, you know what I mean?

Like, it's, like, important. It's so interesting how little. What apparently little or maybe large events will shift, you know, your impact on the world. And, like, that's really for me. I want everyone to have this opportunity to understand that they deserve to be able to reach for all their goals and then, you know, but take care of yourself first so that you can shine your light for everybody else and guide them. It's it's just a it's so good, bro. Yeah. Yo. And bro, here we go. I can't wait to see the transcripts.

Why People Get Stuck in Recovery 9:08

And there's going to be like, thank you. We're like 1990s in new Jersey, which I was all about, what what would you know? I've heard you talk about energy trainers, you know, like, I mean, what are the main things you're seeing that are trainers, you know, that that people need to kind of remove from their lives in order to, to get some of this energy back? Yeah. So we can call them trainers. We can call them toxicities. These are things that are in the body that aren't supposed to be in the body.

So we're talking about things like heavy metals or chemicals or molds or infections or allergies or negative emotional patterns. Right. If you've ever had any sort of Aces adverse childhood events, you know, or I call them alleys, you know, adverse life events, because anywhere along the line, if you had something happened to you that changed the way that you looked at the world and the world became unsafe, consequently, that is going to increase stress on your body, right? And that's going to change the way that you look at the world.

And then there's, electromagnetic fields, right? Anything that's kind of that you can may have been probably exposed to if you're suffering with some of these issues, whether it's Marcel, whether it's fatigue that has accumulated in your body throughout your life that ends up causing a number of these symptoms and the other things that are being that are draining are deficiencies, like deficiencies in hormones and nutrients and vitamins and minerals and neurotransmitters and lifestyle habits. You know, not enough good food, not enough good water, not enough movement, not enough of a good mindset.

So all of those things are, our energy trainers. And it just so happens that these deficiencies, which a lot of people have done by the time they've come to see me, you know, which integrative and functional docs are good at? Those things. 80% of those deficiencies are actually caused by the toxicities, by the heavy metals, by the chemicals, by the molds, by the infections. Right. And so, yes, you want to boost those things up. You're going to feel better when you boost your deficiencies. But you have to remember that you have to get rid of all those toxicities in order to feel better.

Yeah. It's just so key is it's like because one of the things people often ask is like, well, what do you do differently? You know, why is it going to be? I've been to six doctors, have been to ten doctors. And so so what you're finding is a lot of people are getting are able to identify the deficiency. But maybe the the cause of the deficiency is the thing that's being missed. Exactly. Yeah. So I have, a sheet that I put up when I have calls with people and I've been like, have you addressed all of these?

You know, there's like 33, 34 different causes that we look at. It's like having 34 nails in the bottom of your foot. Right. And if you've worked with so-and-so and they've taken care of ten of those, yeah, you're going to feel better. But you still have, you know, 24 causes in the bottom of your foot that have to be remedied. It still hurts when you walk. Right. And so even if you have like 1 or 2 of them, I mean, the big ones really are mold plus a couple of infections. That's like the big stuff that unfortunately not enough people are still talking about.

I know you are. You know, a lot of people in the mass cell activation space are, but, you know, still not enough. And I don't blame them, you know, like I don't want to go into that stuff. I was like, oh man, that stuff so complicated. But then you're sitting with somebody in front of you that you can't get well, and you're like, oh, I guess I got to learn about this stuff. Yeah. I just had like a flashback to one of my mentors, like, I when I studied Lyme disease a bunch. And then I was like, well, I'm going to start doing more of this.

He's like, are you sure you want to do that? And right, you know, it's one of those things where, you know, you're dedicating a lot of your time and your energy to helping people who are really suffering. And it's it's laudable and it's like it's something that we all need to do. But, but, but I see a lot of, like you're saying, like a lot of people don't dive into those necessarily all the time because it can, you know, like you could probably get rid of 24 of the 34, but you got those ten and they're the ones that are or even the four and they're the big ones, but they're the hardest ones where you have to be honest.

Like, that's what I love about our conversations. It's like you're like, it might take 10 or 20 4 or 36 months to remove the mold. That's like, we need more honesty these days. You know? Yep. So what do you see in your folks like? Because, you know, with mast cell activation, I mean, and use the other M word, you know, mold with so much overlap and triggering, but how are you seeing this manifesting sort of in your sort of patient population. So it's really about the sensitivities.

Toxicities, Deficiencies, and Energy Drainers 13:42

And you know, there are there are specific criteria in the conventional establishment around like, yes, it's kind of like allergy and like there's very specific things that mast cells do. Mast cells are only part of the immune system. But when I'm looking at mast cell activation syndrome, you know, it really is the immune system reacting to something that's not supposed to be in the body. And that's why it's reacting to mold. Right. But it's producing these allergy symptoms. So whether it's on the skin, whether it's GI symptoms, whether it's headaches or whatever, you know, which could not, which can be things that you can get from a food allergy or reacting to heavy metals or chemicals or molds.

It's essentially inflammation in different parts of the body that are triggered by something that's not supposed to be in the body. So, you know, when we look at the most basic form of the immune system, it's supposed to be our our sentinels, right? It's supposed to be our guards, where if something comes in the body that's not supposed to be there, it's supposed to gobble it up, stick it in the lymph, get it out of the body. Right, right. And unfortunately, what ends up happening is that if you've got heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections, etc., those things are able to hide from the immune system.

So the immune system is trying to get those things and it just can't get them. You know, it's like going through cells in order to do it, going around them. You're getting molecular mimicry, where now the immune system is attacking different parts of the body that look like those different things. And then consequently, you end up with inflammation, which is by definition pain and dysfunction. But if you work your way back, if you've got a symptom, it's from inflammation. And essentially it's reacting.

The immune system is reacting to something which is causing the inflammation. And just big picture for folks like inflammation is a normal thing. It's supposed to happen. It's something we want to have happen. We just don't want it to happen chronically. Right? You break your leg, you get a scratch. You want the immune system to come there, fix things, and then it's done. But unfortunately, with all these toxins that are building up in our bodies, it becomes chronic. So the light switch of inflammation remains on.

So it's like, yeah, it's like that hyper I think of it as hyper reactivity, you know like because it's like like you're saying like they're sentinels, but the sentinels are only supposed to work certain shifts and they're kind of working all the time. So, so I think what I'm, you know, summarizing what I'm hearing you saying, it's like it's almost like you get so many things layered on top of each other that, you know, Marcel activation syndrome, maybe one of the or histamine counts can be one of those things that you're seeing as a as a result of all this toxicity in the background.

Absolutely. Yeah. So the way that I explain it to people is if you look at a rain barrel, your body is this rain barrel. And then over time you're just accumulating things. You know, we know that 287 different chemicals are found in your blood, right? In one study. Right. So we come out of the womb with a whole bunch of toxins. Right. And then I ate gluten and dairy growing up. And I poop once a week, right. So I couldn't get toxins out of my body. And then I had mercury fillings, and then I kissed, somebody who had Epstein-Barr virus.

And then I lived in a place that had mold. Right. And so all this stuff. And then I went to medical school and then gross anatomy lab. I had, you know, formaldehyde poisoning and like, oh, really? Right. Yeah. So it all, like, builds up until eventually it's overwhelming the liver. It's overwhelming the immune system. And then you're exactly right. It's hyper reactive. So anything that you drop on that load and on the immune system in the liver, they're like, we don't want that. We want it out. Let's get it out. Any path we get, okay?

Let's diarrhea. Let's get it out. Oh, let's let's have you vomit. Let's make you nauseous. Oh, let's get it out of the skin. You know, like any, you know, the immune system or in the body is like, no, we're going to get it out any means possible. And those are the symptoms that you're experiencing. It's interesting as you're saying, that like I also think like a lot of the reactivity, we have the different foods and even supplements or other treatments and wonder if the body just starts to view it as like this, like everything's a toxin, or if my food that has a small amount of toxin, my load is just so high I can't even handle it.

Yeah, well, and I think that I think it's I think it's the first thing that you said. So I think that everything is then viewed as foreign. The immune system is so dysfunctional, it's just confused. It doesn't know the difference between self and and something that's foreign. Right. And because it's been attacking the cells it's been causing autoimmunity. If you have MCUs, if you have fatigue you have a degree of autoimmunity. Because what's autoimmunity. It's the immune system reacting to something like these toxins that we're talking about.

And it it just has to end turning around and going after its own cells, whether it's molecular mimicry, where it's reacting over here and attacking cells over here, or whether that toxin is actually inside a particular cell. So, for example, Bartonella loves the thyroid. And so the immune system is going to try to get rid of Bartonella. And it causes autoimmunity as it attacks the thyroid breaks off pieces of the thyroid is it's trying to go after the Bartonella and just can't get there right. So that's that's kind of how I see it is where it is in fact hyper reactive.

And it's just reacting to everything. So what we do is we're like, okay, well we're going to bypass the gut since that's where 80% of the immune system is, and that's where all that reaction is coming from. And let's go with like topical stuff or what can we do that's not a pill that goes inside the body. In order to get these toxins out, I think it's so critical. I'd say it's really interesting. Like, you know, many of us have been trained in the use of, like, bioidentical hormones or talk to your pharmacist and, you know, you can put antibiotics in a cat's ear.

But like when I started learning about using herbals topically, even in a similar situation, it's just it's really interesting that if you bypass that major organ, you can start to really make some progress in sensitive people and get them used to being able to take that because it's key. And Bartonella is actually, I'm so glad you brought up Bart, because it's like one of the things I deal with all day, every day. And but it's one of the major triggers of of me.

Mast Cell Activation, Mold, and Inflammation 19:40

And, I mean, and and realistically, I mean, saying that is all the things that you've highlighted so far, I think could be major triggers because of that overload of toxins. But, you know, not only the thyroid, but I also think about how it's affinity for microglia in the brain. I mean, these are like sort of the immune system cells of the brain. And so now here you go. Because I wrote a little note here, I remember you're talking about your pots. And and I'm going to make sure we bring that into our conversation because we have thyroid and dysregulation of some of the all the functions the thyroid is involved with.

But then we also have, which could also include pain, fatigue and brain fog on top of now we have Bartonella could potentially go in the brain and do the same thing for a through a different pathway, all of which the final common endpoint is that autoimmune inflammation. So I mean what are you seeing with things like pots and Bard? I mean, are these things that are treatable or these things that like, you know, I mean, is this kind of like because, you know, you hear the death almost like the death sentence conversation out there like, oh, I've got this.

I'm never getting better. So, I mean, what's the reality in your world? So it just depends on how long people are willing to go at it for, because what we found is that it's just not a question of whether or not it's going to happen, and they're going to be able to live a highly functional life, maybe can't get rid of it entirely. And oftentimes you can't, but you can. You can get really close, you know, so maybe your energy is an eight out of ten. You know, if you've got mold and you've got Bartonella and you've got Lyme or something like that, you know, and it takes you two years to do it.

So it's really just about persistence. And, you know, you and I both have a lot of really great tools that we can use. If something doesn't work, we move on to something else. Right. And we want to make sure we're killing off infections by removing these toxins. Right. It's you know, it's we're following the science. We're following the trails. We're making sure that the detoxification pathways are open. So actually these toxins can get out of the body. Right. So it's just a question of how long and as long as people can like stay the path and follow with the mentorship, then they're going to be successful.

At least that's that's what it's been in my experience now. Hey, I'm not perfect. And you know, there's definitely things that I don't know. I mean, people who have really bad mold and can't get out of their homes, like, that's really hard to help those people, you know, or people who can't tolerate supplements, like, we're talking about with Mcats and whatnot. Gotta get even more creative because you got to do things that are, you know, like I said, outside the body, not giving anything orally.

Or if there's really severe trauma history and the limbic system is already not set up for success. Like, that's why we have trauma coaches on staff. So there's there's a lot of components to this. Like I said, mind, body, spirit, emotion that all have to be addressed. And it's just, it's just a matter of time. You got to realize that it's it's about the journey and that you are going to get there. You just got to put one foot in front of the other. What's that? What's that fable or that proverb?

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Yeah. You just have to keep taking steps forward, you know? And part of the mindset stuff that we tell people to stop asking yourself the bad question or the wrong question or the painful question or the disempowering question, like, why is this happening to me? And ask yourself every morning, what can I do today to take one step forward, improve my health even more? What can I do today to love myself, even more? Right. Create those those those, the the really good.

We call it our daily mindset practice to reprogram the brain for success. It's so key. And I mean, I think that like, part of it is what you're talking about is that this it may be a journey. And you're saying, well, we'll try this and we'll do this. We'll do that. We may need to if you have, like, you know, 22 or 25 things going on, we may need to do 200 things to fix those. Right. So a lot of times I think patients get frustrated, like I'm doing this, doing this. It's like they want to get to that end point.

But again, it's like you're saying it's like, take that next step and a lot of times what I see and mix and mold and, and you know, and Bartonella, I feel like I could make a run on sentence of all these if, you know, these toxins slash infections, but is that it's we need to get people to step back and start with the first step rather than trying to do the first 34 steps at once. So, when you're working with folks, I mean, you know, like a lot of times, and I'll throw this out in two parts because, like, you know, the, you know, you'll know the the best way to answer it.

But one is I wanted to kind of touch on so many people get worse during treatment. Right. And how do we really tone that down. And I really also want to dive into your four step process, because I think it's just such a great way to structure our, our thinking about this so people can understand why you're saying, hey, take one step and then take the next step and then take the next step. And it's a logical progression between these different things you're going to try. So I don't know which one's better to how you want to answer and bring it together.

But yeah, I think doing the four step first, because that'll answer the question that way. Yeah. Exactly. So the the first step of the four step process is to assess the causes that somebody has. Now I found. So that's looking at those 33 different causes. And we know that if our differential I mean what do we learn. Residency. If your differential is broad enough then you're going to be successful. Right. You think of the three most common things that it could possibly be. And one red herring, you know.

And so it's kind of like okay, now if we're looking at these 33 different causes, then we know that we're going to get 95% of everything that it possibly could be. Right. So that's where we have to start. Now, fortunately, I've found that 75% of all these causes can be determined by symptoms alone. Totally agree. Yeah. That means that the other 25% really just you need labs for that, right? So you need to assess first, because if you don't know what your causes are then you're shooting in the dark.

You know, way too many people are like, oh, I want this supplement, I want this supplement. I read that this supplement can help my energy or can help my mCAT. So it's like, what causes do you have first? Right. You're not going to if you go to see a mechanic, you want him to just replace your muffler without doing an assessment. First, right? That would be ridiculous. Right? So we have to think about the human body in the same way and take the emotions out of it best we can. So that's the first thing.

Assess the causes. And the second step is to replace the deficiencies. So we talked about all these causes can be like deficiencies which are things that are not in the body that they're supposed to be, and toxicities which are things that are in the body that aren't supposed to be. And this process is really all about the toxicities. But we got to do this other stuff first for I'll tell you why. So you got to replace the deficiencies. So we got to replace the adrenals which are responsible for stress in the body and managing stress.

We got to support the mitochondria which produces 70 to 90% of our energy and gets damaged by all these toxicities. We got to support the thyroid. I call those the big three the adrenals, the mitochondria, the thyroid. Yeah. We got to replace vitamins and minerals. We got to replace neurotransmitters.

POTS, Bartonella, and Treatment Reality 26:48

We got to fix the lifestyle habits. Right. And all those things are going to make the rest of the process so much better. Because when you're in step four and you're starting to remove toxins, it's stressful. And if you don't have adrenal support, you're going to have problems. You know, it damages the mitochondria when you start to have dioxin and you start to remove these toxins, you got to have mitochondrial support, right? And so then you've got the thyroid and the sex hormones and all that other stuff to support everything else that's happening. Right.

So everything works better when the deficiencies are replaced, which is why so many people get better when they see a natural path. Functional doc, integrative doc. But then they plateau and then they come to see us. So then step three and then they're in your office. In my office. Right. Step three is to open up the detoxification pathway. So this is liver and lymph and kidneys and neural lymph or lymphatic like you were mentioning before with the microglia. So these are the different pathways that we have in the body.

And I envision them as like tubes. And right now they're all clogged. If you've got miscast, if you've got fatigue, if you've got autoimmunity, you've got all these talks. And the more toxins that you have in your body, the more clogged up these tubes are. So you got to open those tubes, right? Because if you go and grab, let's say Bartonella, and you pull it in to get it out of the body's, you're pulling into one of these detoxification pathways. If it's clogged, guess what goes right back into a different compartment or you get different symptoms.

Maybe now you got foot pain, now you can't sleep. Whatever it is, right? Or it goes back into the same compartment. So you have to make sure that you've kind of you've opened up that pathway. So that's that really answers that question is like how do we mitigate the Horkheimer reaction, the die off, the healing reaction, whatever you want to call it, where you're going to be pulling these toxins and getting them out of the body. So it really is also there's, what was it in chemistry, rate limiting step.

But it's like there's this there's this rate in which you I like to envision it as like a funnel. So the rate at which you're, like, dumping these toxins into this funnel has to be less than the rate that things can leave the body. So this is like step three is the bottom of the funnel. You have to open it up so that when you dump the heavy metals in they actually have a place to go. So you can get them out. Right. If you dump too much heavy metals in and you only have this very narrow, opening for the detoxification pathways, then guess what?

The heavy metals are just going to come into the funnel and just bounce right back out again. Right. So you have to you have to make sure that the way that you're removing things is slow enough and the way that you're or sorry, rather removing or binding up the toxins is slow enough so that you can and that the opening is, is big enough so that you can actually have a smooth flow. I love it because it's so, you know, the thing is, like we see a lot of people talking about, it's almost like they're read this, there's a redistribution of their symptoms or I don't understand.

It was over here now, but now it's over there. And it's like, I think you just gave us a really good explanation of, you know, why that all happened, you know? But it's interesting. And how do you coach people through? Because, you know, I know so many of our patients are like, I just got to kill the Bartman, or I know the Bartonella in the mold or the causes, and it's like, I have to do the mold for the Bartonella, and I have to do it like there's all these what order you need to do things in. But so much of it seems to start with just beating whatever it is over the head.

I mean, how do you really sort of focus, folks? Because I think it's so important. Like you're like prepping the whole system. Well, one, you're finding out what's actually going on, which is like, you know, instead of deciding it just before they walk in the door, which is novel idea, right? But to really boil down, but then the deficiencies and opening the funnel, I mean, makes so much sense to like, I think a lot of people are afraid to start at that place. Yeah. Meaning like they almost want to replace all the deficiencies at the end right when it's left over.

So like what what puts it to number two and like, how do you get people to change. How do you get them on track so they can actually follow through? Because a lot of what you're saying is I've heard the steps, but I've not heard them in this order, which I think is why you're so successful is that you're willing to be rogue and say, this is the right way to do it, but like, how's it work? So I think that the reason why we've had success is because, there's a lot of hand-holding along the way. So, you know, I mean, I'm super excited for your program, because it's going to I think it's going to be very similar in this, you know, we've got an online community where they can ask questions every single day, and they're guaranteed an answer from me or one of my coaches in, two business days.

Right. And so, because it's all about getting an answer to your question, right? And then getting that hand-holding. And then there's, you know, twice a month calls with me face to face in a group format. And then if they're also getting one on ones, they get one, one on one call with me or a one on one with my health coach or one on one with our nervous system retraining coach. So a lot of it is just kind of like, okay, just reinforcing it because inevitably people come back and they're like, hey, my energy just got worse.

And it's like, why is that? And it's like, well, what did you just do? Like educating them on?

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Like, what's the chronology? What just happened? Well, I just increased my, treatment for Bartonella and now I feel more tired. I'd be like, okay, you're having dial need to increase your dial support. You know, like, do you have the foundations in order, you know, what is your what's your big three looking like? What are your adrenals, your thyroid, your mitochondria. They will support it. Right. And be like, oh, I forgot I reordered and I forgot to take ran out. Yeah, I ran out right. That's always a big one.

I mean like all right, well what's changed? Have you run out of any supplements? Boba I didn't think that they were helping me, so I let them lapse. Right. And be like, okay, because sometimes you don't know for a month or two that those supplements were actually helping. Right. And so many of our patients have like, like half their meal for the day is supplements at some point, you know, you see this huge list? I think it's so good to have that, that mentorship where you're tying people in so closely so that you can figure out what's working and what's not working, what they actually need to use.

That's that's awesome. Yeah. So then, you know, as you go through the whole thing, I mean, you know, you mentioned sort of your nervous system retraining coaches and you've thrown out this term the limbic system a lot. And, you know, so many of us who work in this field and so many patients with the and the like, I've heard about limbic retraining and, and you kind of mentioned safety earlier. So we're touching on Polyvore legal theory. I mean, how does that really work in into the work that you're doing and how you're helping people get better?

So we have so we recommend some of the limbic system retraining programs that are out there. So the DNR is with Annie Hopper or the Gupta program. You know pick one. If you're finding that you're struggling or you've got miscast, those things can be very helpful. But they do have to be to people like, I'm just going to do this and I'm going to get all better. I'm going to be like, yeah, well, even Annie Hopper says that, you know, she had heavy metal detox or something, you know, and complementing what she did.

So you got to you got to address all those things. The other thing is that we have two of these norm coaches on staff. So NMN, which is neuro affective relational model for trauma. So they're trauma informed coaches. And so one of them is my what my amazing wife who teaches who does our meditations every Saturday morning and then also does our, our community check and calls twice a month. And then we have Martha, who does our one on ones and then she also does the nervous system retraining call once a month as well.

So a lot of this is about emotional education. You know, being able to practice mindfulness, right. It's just such a huge part of this. And then having some of the techniques that you can bring in from some of the limbic stuff, in addition to all the biomedical that we're doing, it's so awesome. I mean, everybody knows, like following the work that that I do, it's it's so important to look at this side of it, you know, and what, what you're feeling about like placebo because, you know, in my world, like, I didn't I couldn't find a doctor who could help me.

And so much of my healing was kind of like taking action, changing my mindset about what was happening and deciding what I really wanted to have happen. But I kind of throw out this number that I feel like the placebo effect is really more like 70% of outcomes, rather than 30. But what have you seen? Like, I mean, you know, we're talking about it's all good with this nervous system retraining and limbic stuff. But I mean, how important is it in your experience. Let's Sibo or. Yeah. And just mindset in general. Yeah.

Like what you believe about your outcome. Yeah. It's huge. I, I'm not sure I could put a percent on it. But it's, it's huge. And so many people find that they do better in our programs when they are dedicated to doing their daily mindset, program. Sometimes they just say the, the, the four step process to themselves every day. Sometimes they record it and then they listen to it several times a day. But it's, it's it's for real. It's so important. And one of the things that I do every time I start my live Q&A is we start off with a gratitude practice.

You know, I open the floor up to to gratitude. So yeah, it's it's incredibly important. And, and it's one of the things that I came late to, you know, Stacy was already doing this mindfulness stuff and meditation and she's a mediator and all, you know, all this other stuff that I was like, you know, I'm, I'm a doctor guy, you know? So, like, this is the doctor stuff that I do. And it was only going through my struggles where I realized that it's when I started implementing some of the mindset stuff and started working on my emotional health. You know, I got my own arm coach that I meet with one on one every every two weeks.

That's been really helpful for me. So I see my own personal development, not just physically, but mentally, emotionally, spiritually that I want to keep growing, I want to keep getting better. And the question is just not where you start. You know, it doesn't matter where you start, but if you are dedicated to continuing to improve every aspect of yourself, every single day, best you can, you're going to get there. Right? And so that's kind of that's kind of where I'm at is to continue to learn, continuing to improve myself because I know it gets myself better, but then it also gets all the people that I work with and I believe in them.

I see the beauty in them. I see what they can achieve, and we know that there's research around that as well. If the provider believes that you can get better, you are far more likely to get better, right? So there's all these things that we're working in with mindset, our mindset, their mindset, all the support in order to help people on this journey. You know, I said there's that word again. You know, I love it though. It's so important. It's like, I love talking to people and working with people who walk the walk.

You know? It's like, here you go. You know, international leader in recovering energy, creating this energy and method like you've got it dialed yet you're still like, but I practice what I preach like I've got my own coach. I go every couple of weeks like and I've heard this from so many high performers and doctors that are moving the needle for their patients. And I really think that you pointed out something that just needs to be highlighted, too. It's not only the working in yourself, but then going and believing

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in your patient, not just giving them a tool. Oh, they might use it or not, but like really like embodying that because that that vibration is shared with them. It's just talk about embracing someone's energy. So, as, as we sort of, wrapped our conversation, you know, a bit here, what are the, you know, what are some, you know, we talk a lot about the causes of problems and stuff and how everybody's suffering. But what, you know, do you have any particular words of like, possibility and wisdom and healing to share with people who might be struggling with Marcus and low energy, or any of the other symptoms that that they're experiencing?

Yeah. I think that it can be overwhelming to think about all of these different causes or how long the journey might be. But, you know, as humans, we underestimate the amount that we can achieve in a year or three years, and we overestimate the amount we can get done in a day. The reality is, is if you get one thing done every single day, you're going to eventually get there. And that's the huge mindset shift that everybody has to start with, I think, and having gratitude for where you're at. And yes, it's frustrating and yes, it's overwhelming and yes, it sucks.

But you have to realize that the only way you're going to get there is by taking action, right? Taking that small step every single day and living in gratitude best you can. You know, just three gratitudes every single day. It can be the same three gratitudes we've shown to decrease anxiety and depression symptoms by 60% in one study. Right. And it's we just know the utility of that. It's just huge. So focusing on your mindset, working on all of these different components without getting overwhelmed, finding a mentor that speaks to you, that you resonate with, you're going to be hanging out with this person for a long time.

If you're, you know, depending on the number of causes you have and the severity of causes you have. So you just have to figure out, you know, if you're jiving with Tom, go work with Tom. You jive with me, come with me. Go. If there's somebody else, go work with them. Right, right. So you just want to figure out who's going to be your mentor on this journey. Follow with them for 6 to 12 months. If you've learned everything that you believe that you can learn from the person, then move on to the next person.

But just realize that it is a marathon. It's not a sprint, and your awareness is just about, you know, and talking like your energy every single month, you know, like so that, you know, hey, my energy is now a six out of ten, not worrying where I want to be. But six months ago it was a two out of ten, right? That is a huge win. That's one thing that we don't do enough. And I'm guilty of this as well. My wife's really good at this is celebrating small wins. You know at the at the end of the week, let's celebrate.

You know, at the end of the day, celebrate what went well, you know, it. Spot on. Everybody's going to hear a million times during our summit here about my little gratitude practices. But I agree, it's like the end of the day. Man just picked three things and it doesn't have to be big. In fact, I've personally found that after it's easy to get a couple of big wins here and there and like something big in your day. But when you start to nourish all these little itty bitty things in your life that are amazing, I get so energized with great gratitude of these small things that I previously may have overlooked.

Makes a huge difference. So, you know, even I mean, one of the things are like you talked about like work with the person you resonate with because that's so key to be on a similar level. And someone and it's like someone that you, you know, obviously has this vibrational level that's higher that can help bring you up, but that really resonates deep within your heart.

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And, you know, so for people who do resonate with your message, which I can't imagine most people don't, where can people find you and how can and what kind of information can they get to learn more about what you do so they can head on over to the energy MD method.com. There's no D, it's just energy MD method.com. Or they can search for me and they can find it as well. And right now we have a free step one course. So we talked about step one and figuring out the causes. You can get that for free right now on our website.

And then you're going to know just by going through with your symptoms, you're going to know 75% of your causes and how or how much how powerful is that where now you're going to actually know where you need to focus. And then if you choose to join one of our membership programs, we've got different price points to help people at different budget levels where we're there for you. Hey, so awesome brother. Thank you so much for making the time to share all this incredible wisdom with everybody and everyone.

I'd like to say thank you for joining us. I've had a blast talking with Evan and sharing this information with you. Definitely check out, Doctor Evan Hirsch, the energy MD, and he's at energy MD method.com. And again, thanks so much for joining us for this episode of the Reversing Marcel Activation and Histamine Intolerance Summit. We'll see you next time.