Full Transcript Introduction and Guest Background 0:04 Welcome back to the Detox Docks Report. 0:04 Welcome back to the Detox Docks Report. I'm Dr. Diana and this show is all about 0:06 I'm Dr. Diana and this show is all about 0:06 I'm Dr. Diana and this show is all about thoughtful conversations around gut 0:08 thoughtful conversations around gut 0:08 thoughtful conversations around gut health, mold and environmental illness, 0:11 health, mold and environmental illness, 0:11 health, mold and environmental illness, and systems medicine. Today, I'm so 0:13 and systems medicine. Today, I'm so 0:13 and systems medicine. Today, I'm so excited to be joined by Dr. Jill Crista. 0:17 excited to be joined by Dr. Jill Crista. 0:17 excited to be joined by Dr. Jill Crista. Dr. Jill is a pioneering naturopathic 0:19 Dr. Jill is a pioneering naturopathic 0:19 Dr. Jill is a pioneering naturopathic doctor, best-selling author, devoted 0:22 doctor, best-selling author, devoted 0:22 doctor, best-selling author, devoted educator, and a creative innovator. Her 0:26 educator, and a creative innovator. Her 0:26 educator, and a creative innovator. Her superpower is to make complex medical 0:28 superpower is to make complex medical 0:28 superpower is to make complex medical concepts simple and digestible for the 0:31 concepts simple and digestible for the 0:31 concepts simple and digestible for the average person. 0:33 average person. 0:33 average person. Dr. Jill's passion is to elevate the 0:35 Dr. Jill's passion is to elevate the 0:35 Dr. Jill's passion is to elevate the well-being of the planet by assisting in 0:37 well-being of the planet by assisting in 0:38 well-being of the planet by assisting in the healing of her inhabitants. 0:40 the healing of her inhabitants. 0:40 the healing of her inhabitants. She focuses on conditions that cause 0:42 She focuses on conditions that cause 0:42 She focuses on conditions that cause injury to the brain and nervous system, 0:44 injury to the brain and nervous system, 0:44 injury to the brain and nervous system, including mold, concussion, 0:52 and most recently post-COVID syndromes. 0:52 and most recently post-COVID syndromes. Her books, products, and online courses 0:55 Her books, products, and online courses 0:55 Her books, products, and online courses support those wanting concrete steps to 0:58 support those wanting concrete steps to 0:58 support those wanting concrete steps to conquer health challenges. Dr. Jill, 1:00 conquer health challenges. Dr. Jill, 1:00 conquer health challenges. Dr. Jill, thank you for joining me today. 1:02 thank you for joining me today. 1:02 thank you for joining me today. >> Thank you. It's a pleasure. 1:05 >> Thank you. It's a pleasure. 1:05 >> Thank you. It's a pleasure. >> So, I took your courses years ago when I 1:09 >> So, I took your courses years ago when I 1:09 >> So, I took your courses years ago when I was first getting deeper into mold 1:10 was first getting deeper into mold 1:10 was first getting deeper into mold medicine, so it's so great to finally 1:13 medicine, so it's so great to finally 1:13 medicine, so it's so great to finally have this conversation with you. 1:15 have this conversation with you. 1:15 have this conversation with you. And you've shaped helped shape how a lot 1:18 And you've shaped helped shape how a lot 1:18 And you've shaped helped shape how a lot of practitioners think about 1:19 of practitioners think about 1:19 of practitioners think about mold-related illnesses. 1:21 mold-related illnesses. 1:21 mold-related illnesses. But for anyone who may not know your 1:23 But for anyone who may not know your 1:23 But for anyone who may not know your background, I'd love to just start with 1:24 background, I'd love to just start with 1:24 background, I'd love to just start with a little context on how you first got 1:26 a little context on how you first got 1:26 a little context on how you first got into this work. 1:28 into this work. 1:28 into this work. >> I started in Lyme country. I started in 1:31 >> I started in Lyme country. I started in 1:31 >> I started in Lyme country. I started in working with Lyme patients and um, you 1:34 working with Lyme patients and um, you 1:34 working with Lyme patients and um, you know, it's pretty miraculous when you 1:36 know, it's pretty miraculous when you 1:36 know, it's pretty miraculous when you can find and treat the cause. 1:39 can find and treat the cause. 1:39 can find and treat the cause. Find the root cause and manage it, uh, 1:41 Find the root cause and manage it, uh, 1:41 Find the root cause and manage it, uh, people tend to get better. And yet, I 1:44 people tend to get better. And yet, I 1:44 people tend to get better. And yet, I still had this small subset of patients 1:46 still had this small subset of patients 1:46 still had this small subset of patients that weren't getting better. And in one 1:48 that weren't getting better. And in one 1:48 that weren't getting better. And in one of those patients, they found toxic 1:49 of those patients, they found toxic 1:49 of those patients, they found toxic black mold in a remodel. 1:51 black mold in a remodel. 1:51 black mold in a remodel. And that's when, you know, Pandora's box 1:53 And that's when, you know, Pandora's box 1:53 And that's when, you know, Pandora's box sort of cracked open for me. 1:55 sort of cracked open for me. 1:55 sort of cracked open for me. And then, when I went back to assess the 1:58 And then, when I went back to assess the 1:58 And then, when I went back to assess the other ones that weren't coming along, 2:01 other ones that weren't coming along, 2:01 other ones that weren't coming along, they had mold in almost all of those 2:03 they had mold in almost all of those 2:03 they had mold in almost all of those cases. And so I was like, oh wow, I am 2:05 cases. And so I was like, oh wow, I am 2:06 cases. And so I was like, oh wow, I am missing mold. As you know from taking 2:07 missing mold. As you know from taking 2:07 missing mold. As you know from taking it, my doctor class is called are you 2:09 it, my doctor class is called are you 2:09 it, my doctor class is called are you missing mold illness because I was, you 2:12 missing mold illness because I was, you 2:12 missing mold illness because I was, you know, and that just kind of cracked open 2:14 know, and that just kind of cracked open 2:14 know, and that just kind of cracked open this whole Pandora's Box. 2:17 this whole Pandora's Box. 2:17 this whole Pandora's Box. >> I love that. Yeah, that's so true for 2:19 >> I love that. Yeah, that's so true for 2:19 >> I love that. Yeah, that's so true for me, too. It was we got some results from 2:22 me, too. It was we got some results from 2:22 me, too. It was we got some results from functional health and I'm sitting here 2:23 functional health and I'm sitting here 2:23 functional health and I'm sitting here thinking why did they not test for this 2:26 thinking why did they not test for this 2:26 thinking why did they not test for this in regular medicine? Why do I not test 2:28 in regular medicine? Why do I not test 2:28 in regular medicine? Why do I not test for this? Why do I not know about these 2:29 for this? Why do I not know about these 2:29 for this? Why do I not know about these labs? So once you start learning about 2:32 labs? So once you start learning about 2:32 labs? So once you start learning about it, you just never go back. I hate that. 2:35 it, you just never go back. I hate that. 2:35 it, you just never go back. I hate that. >> Yeah, yeah, it's the mold goggles. Pick 2:37 >> Yeah, yeah, it's the mold goggles. Pick 2:37 >> Yeah, yeah, it's the mold goggles. Pick it lenses of mold. That's like with 2:39 it lenses of mold. That's like with 2:39 it lenses of mold. That's like with Lyme, too. Like you can't unsee
How Mold Illness Changed the Clinical Lens 2:42 Lyme, too. Like you can't unsee 2:42 Lyme, too. Like you can't unsee Bartonella once you see it. You can't 2:43 Bartonella once you see it. You can't 2:43 Bartonella once you see it. You can't unsee Babesia once you see it, you know, 2:45 unsee Babesia once you see it, you know, 2:45 unsee Babesia once you see it, you know, that's the same thing with mold. You 2:47 that's the same thing with mold. You 2:47 that's the same thing with mold. You just get an extra lens on your eyes. 2:50 just get an extra lens on your eyes. 2:50 just get an extra lens on your eyes. >> Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, mold color 2:53 >> Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, mold color 2:53 >> Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, mold color glasses. 2:54 glasses. 2:54 glasses. >> Yeah. 2:54 >> Yeah. 2:54 >> Yeah. >> So 2:56 >> So 2:56 >> So >> That's a big kind of gross. 2:58 >> That's a big kind of gross. 2:58 >> That's a big kind of gross. >> That's true. That's true. There can be 3:00 >> That's true. That's true. There can be 3:00 >> That's true. That's true. There can be there are some good colors of mold. I 3:01 there are some good colors of mold. I 3:01 there are some good colors of mold. I like the the purple mold. It's it's 3:03 like the the purple mold. It's it's 3:03 like the the purple mold. It's it's pretty. 3:04 pretty. 3:04 pretty. Um so the mold conversation is 3:07 Um so the mold conversation is 3:07 Um so the mold conversation is constantly evolving and I just wanted to 3:11 constantly evolving and I just wanted to 3:11 constantly evolving and I just wanted to touch on that. Is there anything or what 3:14 touch on that. Is there anything or what 3:14 touch on that. Is there anything or what do you think had has changed the most in 3:16 do you think had has changed the most in 3:16 do you think had has changed the most in how we understand mold illness 3:17 how we understand mold illness 3:17 how we understand mold illness clinically or anything big changes that 3:20 clinically or anything big changes that 3:20 clinically or anything big changes that you notice from when you first started 3:21 you notice from when you first started 3:21 you notice from when you first started doing this till now? 3:23 doing this till now? 3:23 doing this till now? >> Oh gosh, a ton from when I first started 3:25 >> Oh gosh, a ton from when I first started 3:25 >> Oh gosh, a ton from when I first started because I I had to learn, you know, in 3:28 because I I had to learn, you know, in 3:28 because I I had to learn, you know, in the trenches, so to speak. There there 3:30 the trenches, so to speak. There there 3:30 the trenches, so to speak. There there wasn't training on it. 3:32 wasn't training on it. 3:32 wasn't training on it. Um I mean, there was Shoemaker training, 3:33 Um I mean, there was Shoemaker training, 3:34 Um I mean, there was Shoemaker training, but that's not how my my overall 3:36 but that's not how my my overall 3:36 but that's not how my my overall training comes from naturopathic 3:38 training comes from naturopathic 3:38 training comes from naturopathic medicine, so it didn't fit my paradigm 3:41 medicine, so it didn't fit my paradigm 3:41 medicine, so it didn't fit my paradigm to do a the same treatment on every 3:44 to do a the same treatment on every 3:44 to do a the same treatment on every person. 3:45 person. 3:45 person. Um so that I think is one thing that has 3:48 Um so that I think is one thing that has 3:48 Um so that I think is one thing that has that I think, you know, naturopathic 3:49 that I think, you know, naturopathic 3:49 that I think, you know, naturopathic medicine has really brought in the 3:51 medicine has really brought in the 3:51 medicine has really brought in the conversation is treating the whole 3:52 conversation is treating the whole 3:52 conversation is treating the whole person and treating people as 3:55 person and treating people as 3:55 person and treating people as individuals. And not only people as 3:58 individuals. And not only people as 3:58 individuals. And not only people as individuals, but the toxins in the molds 4:00 individuals, but the toxins in the molds 4:00 individuals, but the toxins in the molds themselves. So, I would say that the the 4:02 themselves. So, I would say that the the 4:02 themselves. So, I would say that the the thing I'm most excited about in the last 4:04 thing I'm most excited about in the last 4:04 thing I'm most excited about in the last 5 years that I've really been getting 4:07 5 years that I've really been getting 4:08 5 years that I've really been getting better about um taking what's in my 4:10 better about um taking what's in my 4:10 better about um taking what's in my brain and putting it down on paper is, 4:13 brain and putting it down on paper is, 4:13 brain and putting it down on paper is, you know, each mold, each mycotoxin 4:16 you know, each mold, each mycotoxin 4:16 you know, each mold, each mycotoxin confluence that they can secrete 4:19 confluence that they can secrete 4:19 confluence that they can secrete that they all come in our body the 4:21 that they all come in our body the 4:21 that they all come in our body the through the same way, through the same 4:23 through the same way, through the same 4:23 through the same way, through the same front door, but they don't all leave out 4:25 front door, but they don't all leave out 4:25 front door, but they don't all leave out the same back door. So, what I mean by 4:27 the same back door. So, what I mean by 4:27 the same back door. So, what I mean by that is that we can breathe them in, we 4:29 that is that we can breathe them in, we 4:29 that is that we can breathe them in, we can get them into our skin. We can eat 4:31 can get them into our skin. We can eat 4:31 can get them into our skin. We can eat them in our food, but in a westernized 4:33 them in our food, but in a westernized 4:33 them in our food, but in a westernized culture, we don't have a lot of mold and 4:35 culture, we don't have a lot of mold and 4:35 culture, we don't have a lot of mold and mycotoxins in our food that's measured 4:36 mycotoxins in our food that's measured 4:36 mycotoxins in our food that's measured and controlled for. Um 4:39 and controlled for. Um 4:39 and controlled for. Um so, we're all breathing them in, so same 4:41 so, we're all breathing them in, so same 4:41 so, we're all breathing them in, so same front door, but we all we each mycotoxin 4:44 front door, but we all we each mycotoxin 4:44 front door, but we all we each mycotoxin goes through a different metabolic 4:46 goes through a different metabolic 4:46 goes through a different metabolic pathway to get it out of the body. And 4:48 pathway to get it out of the body. And 4:48 pathway to get it out of the body. And so, for the last 5 years what I've been 4:50 so, for the last 5 years what I've been 4:50 so, for the last 5 years what I've been doing is kind of obsessively getting all 4:53 doing is kind of obsessively getting all 4:53 doing is kind of obsessively getting all of the mechanisms down on paper and kind 4:55 of the mechanisms down on paper and kind 4:55 of the mechanisms down on paper and kind of explaining how I'm individualizing. 4:58 of explaining how I'm individualizing. 4:58 of explaining how I'm individualizing. So, like when I wrote my book, I just 4:59 So, like when I wrote my book, I just 4:59 So, like when I wrote my book, I just picked the the bell curve things that 5:02 picked the the bell curve things that 5:02 picked the the bell curve things that were working for most average people. Um 5:06 were working for most average people. Um 5:06 were working for most average people. Um it is a little in inefficient. So, we 5:08 it is a little in inefficient. So, we 5:08 it is a little in inefficient. So, we were just talking about redoing editions 5:10 were just talking about redoing editions 5:10 were just talking about redoing editions of books. 5:11 of books. 5:11 of books. What I I'm going to do in my second 5:13 What I I'm going to do in my second 5:13 What I I'm going to do in my second edition is to give the actual, you know, 5:15 edition is to give the actual, you know, 5:15 edition is to give the actual, you know, here's the mycotoxin, here's how it 5:17 here's the mycotoxin, here's how it 5:17 here's the mycotoxin, here's how it leaves the body. 5:18 leaves the body. 5:18 leaves the body. And a lot of times in the mold world, 5:20 And a lot of times in the mold world, 5:20 And a lot of times in the mold world, we're talking about binders, binders. 5:22 we're talking about binders, binders. 5:22 we're talking about binders, binders. Well, that's a gut thing. That's a liver
Precision Detox and Mycotoxin Pathways 5:24 Well, that's a gut thing. That's a liver 5:24 Well, that's a gut thing. That's a liver to gut pathway. 5:26 to gut pathway. 5:26 to gut pathway. Most mycotoxins leave through the 5:28 Most mycotoxins leave through the 5:28 Most mycotoxins leave through the kidneys. 5:29 kidneys. 5:29 kidneys. So, if we're only focusing on binding, 5:31 So, if we're only focusing on binding, 5:31 So, if we're only focusing on binding, we're missing an entire effective way to 5:34 we're missing an entire effective way to 5:34 we're missing an entire effective way to detox these guys. 5:36 detox these guys. 5:36 detox these guys. So, things like ochratoxin, zearalenone, 5:38 So, things like ochratoxin, zearalenone, 5:38 So, things like ochratoxin, zearalenone, citrinin, they are preferentially dumped 5:41 citrinin, they are preferentially dumped 5:41 citrinin, they are preferentially dumped through the kidneys and that's why 5:42 through the kidneys and that's why 5:42 through the kidneys and that's why people on binders, their ochratoxin 5:44 people on binders, their ochratoxin 5:44 people on binders, their ochratoxin never goes down because they're not 5:46 never goes down because they're not 5:46 never goes down because they're not doing the kidney detoxification of that 5:48 doing the kidney detoxification of that 5:48 doing the kidney detoxification of that specific mycotoxin and how that specific 5:51 specific mycotoxin and how that specific 5:51 specific mycotoxin and how that specific one wants to leave the body. So yeah, 5:53 one wants to leave the body. So yeah, 5:53 one wants to leave the body. So yeah, I'm just super passionate about the 5:54 I'm just super passionate about the 5:54 I'm just super passionate about the precision part of it. 5:56 precision part of it. 5:56 precision part of it. Um and then through the study that Dr. 5:59 Um and then through the study that Dr. 5:59 Um and then through the study that Dr. Neil Nathan and I are doing, we're also 6:00 Neil Nathan and I are doing, we're also 6:00 Neil Nathan and I are doing, we're also figuring out what are the clusters of 6:02 figuring out what are the clusters of 6:02 figuring out what are the clusters of symptoms when we see multiple mycotoxins 6:05 symptoms when we see multiple mycotoxins 6:05 symptoms when we see multiple mycotoxins so we can better identify when someone 6:06 so we can better identify when someone 6:07 so we can better identify when someone has multiples. 6:08 has multiples. 6:08 has multiples. So yeah, and that's my big excitement 6:10 So yeah, and that's my big excitement 6:10 So yeah, and that's my big excitement right now. 6:11 right now. 6:11 right now. >> Well, that's so exciting. That just made 6:13 >> Well, that's so exciting. That just made 6:13 >> Well, that's so exciting. That just made me think about with excreting through 6:15 me think about with excreting through 6:15 me think about with excreting through the kidneys, that just makes me think 6:16 the kidneys, that just makes me think 6:16 the kidneys, that just makes me think about all the people who have 6:17 about all the people who have 6:17 about all the people who have interstitial cystitis with mold. 6:20 interstitial cystitis with mold. 6:20 interstitial cystitis with mold. >> Bingo. 6:20 >> Bingo. 6:20 >> Bingo. >> a 6:26 and it's so not well understood by 6:26 and it's so not well understood by regular medicine because a lot of it is 6:28 regular medicine because a lot of it is 6:29 regular medicine because a lot of it is driven by mold and toxin exposure. I 6:31 driven by mold and toxin exposure. I 6:31 driven by mold and toxin exposure. I mean, I see that so frequently. 6:33 mean, I see that so frequently. 6:33 mean, I see that so frequently. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, those mycotoxins 6:36 >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, those mycotoxins 6:36 >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, those mycotoxins when when the kidneys can flush them and 6:38 when when the kidneys can flush them and 6:38 when when the kidneys can flush them and they we know that there are certain 6:39 they we know that there are certain 6:40 they we know that there are certain things that help flush. 6:42 things that help flush. 6:42 things that help flush. Um so we know that like ochratoxin needs 6:45 Um so we know that like ochratoxin needs 6:45 Um so we know that like ochratoxin needs the orange color of bioflavonoids. That 6:47 the orange color of bioflavonoids. That 6:47 the orange color of bioflavonoids. That helps it flush better. Certain other 6:49 helps it flush better. Certain other 6:49 helps it flush better. Certain other toxins need like the purple color so 6:51 toxins need like the purple color so 6:51 toxins need like the purple color so like a resveratrol. 6:52 like a resveratrol. 6:52 like a resveratrol. Um some need the quercetin. So like when 6:55 Um some need the quercetin. So like when 6:55 Um some need the quercetin. So like when people are taking quercetin, they're 6:56 people are taking quercetin, they're 6:56 people are taking quercetin, they're thinking 6:57 thinking 6:57 thinking I'm stabilizing my mast cells, but 6:59 I'm stabilizing my mast cells, but 6:59 I'm stabilizing my mast cells, but you're also doing all these other 7:01 you're also doing all these other 7:01 you're also doing all these other things. You're detoxing the mycotoxins 7:03 things. You're detoxing the mycotoxins 7:03 things. You're detoxing the mycotoxins um you know, in the to get them out of 7:05 um you know, in the to get them out of 7:05 um you know, in the to get them out of the kidneys, we actually have to unbind 7:07 the kidneys, we actually have to unbind 7:08 the kidneys, we actually have to unbind them from proteins in the blood. And 7:10 them from proteins in the blood. And 7:10 them from proteins in the blood. And certain color bands of bioflavonoids do 7:12 certain color bands of bioflavonoids do 7:12 certain color bands of bioflavonoids do that for for each mycotoxin. So like now 7:16 that for for each mycotoxin. So like now 7:16 that for for each mycotoxin. So like now I'm I'm uh formulating for a company 7:18 I'm I'm uh formulating for a company 7:18 I'm I'm uh formulating for a company called the Light Health Formulas and I'm 7:20 called the Light Health Formulas and I'm 7:20 called the Light Health Formulas and I'm putting together like these are the 7:22 putting together like these are the 7:22 putting together like these are the actual bioflavonoids that unhook that 7:24 actual bioflavonoids that unhook that 7:24 actual bioflavonoids that unhook that mycotoxin and that mycotoxin and that 7:26 mycotoxin and that mycotoxin and that 7:26 mycotoxin and that mycotoxin and that mycotoxin. Put it all into one thing so 7:28 mycotoxin. Put it all into one thing so 7:29 mycotoxin. Put it all into one thing so that because as we know from practice, 7:31 that because as we know from practice, 7:31 that because as we know from practice, if someone has one mycotoxin, as you 7:33 if someone has one mycotoxin, as you 7:33 if someone has one mycotoxin, as you start to detox them, we find many 7:35 start to detox them, we find many 7:35 start to detox them, we find many others. So then we can get rid of a 7:37 others. So then we can get rid of a 7:37 others. So then we can get rid of a bunch of them all at one time. 7:39 bunch of them all at one time. 7:39 bunch of them all at one time. So it's that unbinding in the blood, 7:42 So it's that unbinding in the blood, 7:42 So it's that unbinding in the blood, flushing through the kidneys, but then 7:43 flushing through the kidneys, but then 7:43 flushing through the kidneys, but then where do they go? They go to the 7:44 where do they go? They go to the 7:44 where do they go? They go to the bladder. 7:46 bladder. 7:46 bladder. And while they're in the bladder, they 7:48 And while they're in the bladder, they 7:48 And while they're in the bladder, they can really wreak havoc on the bladder 7:50 can really wreak havoc on the bladder 7:50 can really wreak havoc on the bladder lining. And then the bladder, in defense 7:52 lining. And then the bladder, in defense 7:52 lining. And then the bladder, in defense of that, will start to create biofilm. 7:54 of that, will start to create biofilm. 7:54 of that, will start to create biofilm. And then the bacteria take advantage of 7:57 And then the bacteria take advantage of 7:57 And then the bacteria take advantage of the biofilm. So, it's it's really a 8:00 the biofilm. So, it's it's really a 8:00 the biofilm. So, it's it's really a tough situation with the bladder. 8:02 tough situation with the bladder. 8:02 tough situation with the bladder. Totally treatable though, if we're 8:04 Totally treatable though, if we're 8:04 Totally treatable though, if we're paying attention to 8:06 paying attention to 8:06 paying attention to you know, what's the cause. 8:09 you know, what's the cause. 8:09 you know, what's the cause. >> Yeah, and a standard UA is not going to 8:12 >> Yeah, and a standard UA is not going to 8:12 >> Yeah, and a standard UA is not going to test for mycotoxins, so 8:13 test for mycotoxins, so 8:13 test for mycotoxins, so >> No. 8:14 >> No. 8:14 >> No. >> Uh yeah, so and that also made me think 8:17 >> Uh yeah, so and that also made me think 8:17 >> Uh yeah, so and that also made me think about because a lot of people talk about 8:20 about because a lot of people talk about 8:20 about because a lot of people talk about from like the CIRS side, the charge of 8:23 from like the CIRS side, the charge of 8:23 from like the CIRS side, the charge of the toxin mycotoxins and the binders and
Bladder, Kidney, and Bile Detoxification 8:27 the toxin mycotoxins and the binders and 8:27 the toxin mycotoxins and the binders and how it has to be aligned or things like 8:29 how it has to be aligned or things like 8:29 how it has to be aligned or things like that. 8:30 that. 8:30 that. But, it sounds like that's not really 8:33 But, it sounds like that's not really 8:33 But, it sounds like that's not really your standpoint, correct? 8:36 your standpoint, correct? 8:36 your standpoint, correct? >> Well, that would be if we were eating 8:37 >> Well, that would be if we were eating 8:37 >> Well, that would be if we were eating them. 8:38 them. 8:38 them. So, if you're eating mycotoxins, they're 8:40 So, if you're eating mycotoxins, they're 8:40 So, if you're eating mycotoxins, they're not bound in bile, they're just loose in 8:42 not bound in bile, they're just loose in 8:42 not bound in bile, they're just loose in the gut, and that's where charge 8:43 the gut, and that's where charge 8:43 the gut, and that's where charge matters. But, when it's a water-damaged 8:45 matters. But, when it's a water-damaged 8:45 matters. But, when it's a water-damaged building exposure, we're breathing them 8:47 building exposure, we're breathing them 8:47 building exposure, we're breathing them in. So, the pathway then goes 8:50 in. So, the pathway then goes 8:50 in. So, the pathway then goes through our respiratory passages to the 8:52 through our respiratory passages to the 8:52 through our respiratory passages to the bloodstream. 8:53 bloodstream. 8:53 bloodstream. And then preferentially out the kidneys 8:55 And then preferentially out the kidneys 8:55 And then preferentially out the kidneys if that's avail- if it can unbind from 8:58 if that's avail- if it can unbind from 8:58 if that's avail- if it can unbind from the proteins, the kidneys would love to 8:59 the proteins, the kidneys would love to 8:59 the proteins, the kidneys would love to flush all of these out. 9:01 flush all of these out. 9:01 flush all of these out. If that doesn't happen, it'll go to the 9:03 If that doesn't happen, it'll go to the 9:03 If that doesn't happen, it'll go to the liver where it gets packaged in bile. 9:05 liver where it gets packaged in bile. 9:05 liver where it gets packaged in bile. So, then the bile goes into the gut. So, 9:07 So, then the bile goes into the gut. So, 9:07 So, then the bile goes into the gut. So, really when in a water-damaged building 9:09 really when in a water-damaged building 9:09 really when in a water-damaged building exposure, a respirable toxin, 9:12 exposure, a respirable toxin, 9:12 exposure, a respirable toxin, we're trying to bind bile. 9:14 we're trying to bind bile. 9:14 we're trying to bind bile. And that what's about that is that while 9:16 And that what's about that is that while 9:16 And that what's about that is that while there's a lot of studies missing on 9:18 there's a lot of studies missing on 9:18 there's a lot of studies missing on molds specifically, there are great 9:20 molds specifically, there are great 9:20 molds specifically, there are great studies on how to bind bile because bile 9:23 studies on how to bind bile because bile 9:23 studies on how to bind bile because bile is where our cholesterol is. So, we have 9:25 is where our cholesterol is. So, we have 9:25 is where our cholesterol is. So, we have a lot of information from cholesterol 9:28 a lot of information from cholesterol 9:28 a lot of information from cholesterol studies 9:29 studies 9:29 studies that we can say, "Oh gosh, you know, 9:31 that we can say, "Oh gosh, you know, 9:31 that we can say, "Oh gosh, you know, this insoluble fiber can lower 9:34 this insoluble fiber can lower 9:34 this insoluble fiber can lower cholesterol, that means it's binding 9:35 cholesterol, that means it's binding 9:35 cholesterol, that means it's binding bile and pulling it out of the body. 9:37 bile and pulling it out of the body. 9:37 bile and pulling it out of the body. So, we can use these things that great 9:39 So, we can use these things that great 9:39 So, we can use these things that great human studies so we actually know dose, 9:42 human studies so we actually know dose, 9:42 human studies so we actually know dose, we know frequency, we know with or 9:44 we know frequency, we know with or 9:44 we know frequency, we know with or without food. And these food-based 9:46 without food. And these food-based 9:46 without food. And these food-based binders like psyllium husk, 9:48 binders like psyllium husk, 9:48 binders like psyllium husk, um good old Metamucil, you know, 9:50 um good old Metamucil, you know, 9:50 um good old Metamucil, you know, although that's full of dyes and 9:51 although that's full of dyes and 9:51 although that's full of dyes and chemicals, but you know, you can get 9:53 chemicals, but you know, you can get 9:53 chemicals, but you know, you can get psyllium husk clean at your health food 9:55 psyllium husk clean at your health food 9:55 psyllium husk clean at your health food store really cheap. You don't have to 9:58 store really cheap. You don't have to 9:58 store really cheap. You don't have to have to have a pharmaceutical. 10:00 have to have a pharmaceutical. 10:00 have to have a pharmaceutical. Um and they nourish the the 10:04 Um and they nourish the the 10:04 Um and they nourish the the um 10:05 um 10:05 um the fat-soluble and the B vitamins and 10:06 the fat-soluble and the B vitamins and 10:06 the fat-soluble and the B vitamins and things like that in the body. So, these 10:08 things like that in the body. So, these 10:08 things like that in the body. So, these are like binders that can just do an 10:10 are like binders that can just do an 10:10 are like binders that can just do an exchange with the body. We can get rid 10:12 exchange with the body. We can get rid 10:12 exchange with the body. We can get rid of what we don't want and we can also 10:14 of what we don't want and we can also 10:14 of what we don't want and we can also nourish and give the body things that it 10:16 nourish and give the body things that it 10:16 nourish and give the body things that it needs. So, like an insoluble fiber 10:18 needs. So, like an insoluble fiber 10:18 needs. So, like an insoluble fiber example, a lot of people ask, "Well,
Gut Health, Dysbiosis, and Mast Cell Effects 10:20 example, a lot of people ask, "Well, 10:20 example, a lot of people ask, "Well, like what like what?" So, psyllium husk 10:22 like what like what?" So, psyllium husk 10:22 like what like what?" So, psyllium husk can do it, flaxseed, chia seed, bran, 10:26 can do it, flaxseed, chia seed, bran, 10:26 can do it, flaxseed, chia seed, bran, good old-fashioned bran. 10:27 good old-fashioned bran. 10:27 good old-fashioned bran. Um that's not great for people who have 10:29 Um that's not great for people who have 10:29 Um that's not great for people who have SIBO. That's one of the things that mold 10:32 SIBO. That's one of the things that mold 10:32 SIBO. That's one of the things that mold is really correlated with causing. 10:34 is really correlated with causing. 10:34 is really correlated with causing. So, if you have SIBO, you can do it with 10:37 So, if you have SIBO, you can do it with 10:37 So, if you have SIBO, you can do it with sesame seeds, pumpkin seeds, and 10:40 sesame seeds, pumpkin seeds, and 10:40 sesame seeds, pumpkin seeds, and sunflower seeds. And just basically 10:42 sunflower seeds. And just basically 10:42 sunflower seeds. And just basically grind those up, a quarter cup of those 10:43 grind those up, a quarter cup of those 10:43 grind those up, a quarter cup of those and sprinkle them over food as you eat. 10:45 and sprinkle them over food as you eat. 10:46 and sprinkle them over food as you eat. I see levels go down with only that 10:48 I see levels go down with only that 10:48 I see levels go down with only that intervention. 10:50 intervention. 10:50 intervention. >> I love using food-based binders. 10:53 >> I love using food-based binders. 10:53 >> I love using food-based binders. Definitely it's it's so great because 10:56 Definitely it's it's so great because 10:56 Definitely it's it's so great because you know, we sometimes we think we have 10:57 you know, we sometimes we think we have 10:58 you know, we sometimes we think we have to use these, you know, medications or 10:59 to use these, you know, medications or 10:59 to use these, you know, medications or things that are designed to disrupt the 11:01 things that are designed to disrupt the 11:01 things that are designed to disrupt the body, but sometimes we can do the things 11:05 body, but sometimes we can do the things 11:05 body, but sometimes we can do the things that are designed to work with the body 11:07 that are designed to work with the body 11:07 that are designed to work with the body by using natural medicine. It's so 11:09 by using natural medicine. It's so 11:09 by using natural medicine. It's so great. 11:10 great. 11:10 great. >> Mhm. And there's actually been com- 11:12 >> Mhm. And there's actually been com- 11:12 >> Mhm. And there's actually been com- That's a nice thing too about 11:13 That's a nice thing too about 11:13 That's a nice thing too about cholesterol if we're tracking that. Um 11:15 cholesterol if we're tracking that. Um 11:15 cholesterol if we're tracking that. Um there've been great studies comparing 11:17 there've been great studies comparing 11:17 there've been great studies comparing psyllium husk to cholestyramine. And 11:20 psyllium husk to cholestyramine. And 11:20 psyllium husk to cholestyramine. And it's about 25% as effective as the drug. 11:23 it's about 25% as effective as the drug. 11:23 it's about 25% as effective as the drug. Plus it's not depleting your other 11:25 Plus it's not depleting your other 11:25 Plus it's not depleting your other nutrients. So, it's like, "Okay, it's a 11:27 nutrients. So, it's like, "Okay, it's a 11:27 nutrients. So, it's like, "Okay, it's a little slower, but it it's still 11:31 little slower, but it it's still 11:31 little slower, but it it's still effective, you know." So, yeah, there's 11:33 effective, you know." So, yeah, there's 11:33 effective, you know." So, yeah, there's a number of food-based binders we can 11:35 a number of food-based binders we can 11:35 a number of food-based binders we can use. 11:36 use. 11:36 use. >> Yeah, as part of a full regimen, it can 11:38 >> Yeah, as part of a full regimen, it can 11:38 >> Yeah, as part of a full regimen, it can be so powerful. And then fiber's so 11:40 be so powerful. And then fiber's so 11:40 be so powerful. And then fiber's so great, too. Different types of fiber to 11:42 great, too. Different types of fiber to 11:42 great, too. Different types of fiber to feed those short-chain fatty acids. I 11:44 feed those short-chain fatty acids. I 11:44 feed those short-chain fatty acids. I love talking about butyrate 11:46 love talking about butyrate 11:46 love talking about butyrate and how it's so important for the gut. 11:50 and how it's so important for the gut. 11:50 and how it's so important for the gut. >> Yeah. Yeah, especially those PANS PANDAS 11:52 >> Yeah. Yeah, especially those PANS PANDAS 11:52 >> Yeah. Yeah, especially those PANS PANDAS kids. Mhm. 11:54 kids. Mhm. 11:54 kids. Mhm. >> For sure. For sure. 11:56 >> For sure. For sure. 11:56 >> For sure. For sure. So, I think the gut how the gut is part 12:00 So, I think the gut how the gut is part 12:00 So, I think the gut how the gut is part of the perpetuation cycle was also 12:02 of the perpetuation cycle was also 12:02 of the perpetuation cycle was also underappreciated years ago, and I'm 12:04 underappreciated years ago, and I'm 12:04 underappreciated years ago, and I'm hearing it more from all sides now in 12:07 hearing it more from all sides now in 12:07 hearing it more from all sides now in the mold conversation, and I am just so 12:10 the mold conversation, and I am just so 12:10 the mold conversation, and I am just so encouraged by that because, I mean, gut 12:12 encouraged by that because, I mean, gut 12:12 encouraged by that because, I mean, gut dysbiosis is so common. I mean, 12:15 dysbiosis is so common. I mean, 12:15 dysbiosis is so common. I mean, estimated 70% of people have it, and, 12:18 estimated 70% of people have it, and, 12:18 estimated 70% of people have it, and, you know, it's chicken or the egg with 12:19 you know, it's chicken or the egg with 12:19 you know, it's chicken or the egg with mold and and that, but definitely, you 12:22 mold and and that, but definitely, you 12:22 mold and and that, but definitely, you know, it's it's so so 12:25 know, it's it's so so 12:25 know, it's it's so so prominent and so important to deal with 12:28 prominent and so important to deal with 12:28 prominent and so important to deal with that dysbiosis, too. 12:29 that dysbiosis, too. 12:29 that dysbiosis, too. >> Mhm. I think it's quite often it's mold 12:32 >> Mhm. I think it's quite often it's mold 12:32 >> Mhm. I think it's quite often it's mold is the chicken. 12:34 is the chicken. 12:34 is the chicken. Um it's so well known to be a mast the 12:38 Um it's so well known to be a mast the 12:38 Um it's so well known to be a mast the spores themselves cause mast cell 12:40 spores themselves cause mast cell 12:40 spores themselves cause mast cell activate or, you know, inducing mast 12:42 activate or, you know, inducing mast 12:42 activate or, you know, inducing mast cell. So, not always 12:43 cell. So, not always 12:43 cell. So, not always mast cell activation syndrome, but it's 12:46 mast cell activation syndrome, but it's 12:46 mast cell activation syndrome, but it's definitely recruiting more mast cells. 12:49 definitely recruiting more mast cells. 12:49 definitely recruiting more mast cells. The mast cells have more granules when 12:51 The mast cells have more granules when 12:51 The mast cells have more granules when they're made, and they spill and they 12:53 they're made, and they spill and they 12:53 they're made, and they spill and they dump easier. 12:54 dump easier. 12:54 dump easier. And mycotoxins in particular, and also 12:57 And mycotoxins in particular, and also 12:57 And mycotoxins in particular, and also mold fragments, 12:58 mold fragments, 12:58 mold fragments, um induce the mast cells to survive 13:00 um induce the mast cells to survive 13:00 um induce the mast cells to survive longer. So, the mast cell doesn't have 13:02 longer. So, the mast cell doesn't have 13:02 longer. So, the mast cell doesn't have its natural programmed cell death. So, 13:04 its natural programmed cell death. So, 13:04 its natural programmed cell death. So, you've got That's the spore part, and 13:06 you've got That's the spore part, and 13:06 you've got That's the spore part, and then the mycotoxins we know cause an 13:09 then the mycotoxins we know cause an 13:10 then the mycotoxins we know cause an decrease in the commensal species in the 13:11 decrease in the commensal species in the 13:11 decrease in the commensal species in the microbiome and an increase in the 13:13 microbiome and an increase in the 13:13 microbiome and an increase in the non-commensal. So, they do the dysbiosis 13:16 non-commensal. So, they do the dysbiosis 13:16 non-commensal. So, they do the dysbiosis just by their presence. That's why we 13:18 just by their presence. That's why we 13:18 just by their presence. That's why we want them to be bound in bile because
Nervous System, Chronic Reactivity, and Recovery 13:20 want them to be bound in bile because 13:20 want them to be bound in bile because they're not as damaging when they're in 13:21 they're not as damaging when they're in 13:21 they're not as damaging when they're in bile. 13:22 bile. 13:22 bile. Um and they also degrade the lining of 13:24 Um and they also degrade the lining of 13:24 Um and they also degrade the lining of the intestines. So, if we can, you know, 13:27 the intestines. So, if we can, you know, 13:27 the intestines. So, if we can, you know, that's where you get more leaky gut 13:28 that's where you get more leaky gut 13:28 that's where you get more leaky gut then. And that So, we know mold is like 13:32 then. And that So, we know mold is like 13:32 then. And that So, we know mold is like horrible on the gut. And then if the 13:33 horrible on the gut. And then if the 13:33 horrible on the gut. And then if the mold is active in your environment, it's 13:37 mold is active in your environment, it's 13:37 mold is active in your environment, it's spitting out something called 13:38 spitting out something called 13:38 spitting out something called mycophenolic acid. It's just a like I 13:41 mycophenolic acid. It's just a like I 13:41 mycophenolic acid. It's just a like I jokingly call these mold farts because 13:43 jokingly call these mold farts because 13:43 jokingly call these mold farts because they're just like metabolic off-gassing. 13:45 they're just like metabolic off-gassing. 13:45 they're just like metabolic off-gassing. You know, the mold is eating, it's 13:47 You know, the mold is eating, it's 13:47 You know, the mold is eating, it's ingesting. 13:48 ingesting. 13:48 ingesting. It's secreting this thing. Well, we use 13:50 It's secreting this thing. Well, we use 13:50 It's secreting this thing. Well, we use this 13:51 this 13:51 this in medicine. It's called CellCept. 13:54 in medicine. It's called CellCept. 13:54 in medicine. It's called CellCept. And it is for people who have an organ 13:56 And it is for people who have an organ 13:56 And it is for people who have an organ transplant, and it's so that the body 13:58 transplant, and it's so that the body 13:58 transplant, and it's so that the body doesn't reject this foreign material. 14:01 doesn't reject this foreign material. 14:01 doesn't reject this foreign material. That's how immune toxic it is. And they 14:04 That's how immune toxic it is. And they 14:04 That's how immune toxic it is. And they used to use actual mold mycophenolic 14:06 used to use actual mold mycophenolic 14:06 used to use actual mold mycophenolic acid, but they had so much gut 14:09 acid, but they had so much gut 14:09 acid, but they had so much gut disruption. Every single person taking 14:11 disruption. Every single person taking 14:11 disruption. Every single person taking it had gut side effects. 14:13 it had gut side effects. 14:13 it had gut side effects. So, they made it mycophenolate, 14:16 So, they made it mycophenolate, 14:16 So, they made it mycophenolate, which is just a little bit of a chemical 14:18 which is just a little bit of a chemical 14:18 which is just a little bit of a chemical change so that people could tolerate it 14:21 change so that people could tolerate it 14:21 change so that people could tolerate it more. It still is equally as immune 14:23 more. It still is equally as immune 14:23 more. It still is equally as immune toxic, but only 70% of people had gut 14:27 toxic, but only 70% of people had gut 14:27 toxic, but only 70% of people had gut disruption from the drug. So, it's like, 14:29 disruption from the drug. So, it's like, 14:29 disruption from the drug. So, it's like, okay, we know if you are living in an 14:31 okay, we know if you are living in an 14:31 okay, we know if you are living in an active mold in you know, if the mold is 14:33 active mold in you know, if the mold is 14:33 active mold in you know, if the mold is actively metabolizing, you're breathing 14:35 actively metabolizing, you're breathing 14:35 actively metabolizing, you're breathing in this thing that we're using as a 14:37 in this thing that we're using as a 14:37 in this thing that we're using as a pharmaceutical drug, and it's immune 14:39 pharmaceutical drug, and it's immune 14:39 pharmaceutical drug, and it's immune toxic. 14:41 toxic. 14:41 toxic. >> Yeah, and that's tested for on some of 14:43 >> Yeah, and that's tested for on some of 14:43 >> Yeah, and that's tested for on some of the urine mycotoxin tests, so it's 14:45 the urine mycotoxin tests, so it's 14:45 the urine mycotoxin tests, so it's really interesting to see those levels. 14:48 really interesting to see those levels. 14:48 really interesting to see those levels. That is the thing I love to use when 14:49 That is the thing I love to use when 14:49 That is the thing I love to use when people say, 14:50 people say, 14:50 people say, "Well, you know, mycotoxins aren't that 14:53 "Well, you know, mycotoxins aren't that 14:53 "Well, you know, mycotoxins aren't that harmful." Or like, "How can you say 14:55 harmful." Or like, "How can you say 14:55 harmful." Or like, "How can you say they're that harmful?" I use the 14:56 they're that harmful?" I use the 14:56 they're that harmful?" I use the mycophenolic acid as an example cuz 14:58 mycophenolic acid as an example cuz 14:58 mycophenolic acid as an example cuz people have heard of that, you know, 14:59 people have heard of that, you know, 14:59 people have heard of that, you know, CellCept. I'm like, that's literally a 15:02 CellCept. I'm like, that's literally a 15:02 CellCept. I'm like, that's literally a mycotoxin. 15:03 mycotoxin. 15:03 mycotoxin. So. 15:05 So. 15:05 So. Yeah. 15:05 Yeah. 15:05 Yeah. >> And it's actually it's a mold 15:07 >> And it's actually it's a mold 15:07 >> And it's actually it's a mold metabolite, not a mycotoxin. What's 15:08 metabolite, not a mycotoxin. What's 15:08 metabolite, not a mycotoxin. What's important about that is that not all 15:11 important about that is that not all 15:11 important about that is that not all molds are going to make mycotoxins, but 15:13 molds are going to make mycotoxins, but 15:13 molds are going to make mycotoxins, but if it's metabolizing, certain molds will 15:15 if it's metabolizing, certain molds will 15:15 if it's metabolizing, certain molds will make MPA. So, it's a way to kind of I 15:18 make MPA. So, it's a way to kind of I 15:18 make MPA. So, it's a way to kind of I use it as a marker to help us answer if 15:21 use it as a marker to help us answer if 15:21 use it as a marker to help us answer if the person is in right now or not. Now, 15:23 the person is in right now or not. Now, 15:23 the person is in right now or not. Now, not all the molds make it, but, you 15:25 not all the molds make it, but, you 15:26 not all the molds make it, but, you know, certain mold species, the really 15:27 know, certain mold species, the really 15:27 know, certain mold species, the really common ones like Aspergillus and 15:28 common ones like Aspergillus and 15:28 common ones like Aspergillus and Penicillium, they will secrete this 15:30 Penicillium, they will secrete this 15:30 Penicillium, they will secrete this mycophenolic acid, and so we can look at 15:32 mycophenolic acid, and so we can look at 15:32 mycophenolic acid, and so we can look at that number and say, 15:34 that number and say, 15:34 that number and say, "This is one of five things that I look 15:37 "This is one of five things that I look 15:37 "This is one of five things that I look at to say you might be in mold right 15:39 at to say you might be in mold right 15:39 at to say you might be in mold right now." 15:40 now." 15:40 now." Um, 15:40 Um, 15:40 Um, so, you know, we need to pay attention 15:42 so, you know, we need to pay attention 15:42 so, you know, we need to pay attention to the environment part. 15:44 to the environment part. 15:44 to the environment part. >> Right, yes, thank you for that. 15:46 >> Right, yes, thank you for that. 15:46 >> Right, yes, thank you for that. For sure. So, 15:49 For sure. So, 15:49 For sure. So, speaking of when people are, 15:53 speaking of when people are, 15:53 speaking of when people are, you know, trying to heal and you're 15:54 you know, trying to heal and you're 15:54 you know, trying to heal and you're looking at different things to see 15:56 looking at different things to see 15:56 looking at different things to see whether they might still be in the mold, 15:59 whether they might still be in the mold, 15:59 whether they might still be in the mold, how do you think about that balance 16:00 how do you think about that balance 16:00 how do you think about that balance between the is there another exposure 16:03 between the is there another exposure 16:03 between the is there another exposure going on and is this the terrain or is 16:06 going on and is this the terrain or is 16:06 going on and is this the terrain or is this 16:07 this 16:07 this the continued inflammatory response when 16:09 the continued inflammatory response when 16:09 the continued inflammatory response when someone isn't recovering? 16:12 someone isn't recovering? 16:12 someone isn't recovering? >> That's a really tough one to answer, you 16:13 >> That's a really tough one to answer, you 16:13 >> That's a really tough one to answer, you know, and that that is through clinical 16:16 know, and that that is through clinical 16:16 know, and that that is through clinical This is why I created the questionnaire 16:18 This is why I created the questionnaire 16:18 This is why I created the questionnaire that I created because I was often in 16:20 that I created because I was often in 16:20 that I created because I was often in that question of like, 16:22 that question of like, 16:22 that question of like, "Um, I'm not sure if you're if you're 16:24 "Um, I'm not sure if you're if you're 16:24 "Um, I'm not sure if you're if you're just, you know, did we start peeling 16:26 just, you know, did we start peeling 16:26 just, you know, did we start peeling biofilm and you're having a little 16:27 biofilm and you're having a little 16:27 biofilm and you're having a little flare? Are you making these mycotoxins 16:30 flare? Are you making these mycotoxins 16:30 flare? Are you making these mycotoxins inside your body or is it happening from 16:32 inside your body or is it happening from 16:32 inside your body or is it happening from your environment?" That's why I don't 16:34 your environment?" That's why I don't 16:34 your environment?" That's why I don't use just one test to answer these 16:36 use just one test to answer these 16:36 use just one test to answer these questions. It's a cluster is really 16:39 questions. It's a cluster is really 16:39 questions. It's a cluster is really needed because this is a very complex 16:41 needed because this is a very complex 16:41 needed because this is a very complex illness. 16:42 illness. 16:42 illness. I I did the math one time that 16:45 I I did the math one time that 16:45 I I did the math one time that the number of molds that we test for in 16:47 the number of molds that we test for in 16:47 the number of molds that we test for in an environment times the number of 16:49 an environment times the number of 16:49 an environment times the number of toxins that they create times the 16:51 toxins that they create times the 16:51 toxins that they create times the bacteria that grow in that environment 16:53 bacteria that grow in that environment 16:53 bacteria that grow in that environment times the toxins they create, and the 16:56 times the toxins they create, and the 16:56 times the toxins they create, and the the number of possible indoor 16:59 the number of possible indoor 16:59 the number of possible indoor environment exposures is 15 million.
Treating the Nose and Sinus Reservoir 17:03 environment exposures is 15 million. 17:03 environment exposures is 15 million. >> Wow. 17:03 >> Wow. 17:03 >> Wow. >> So, that I look forward to the day when 17:05 >> So, that I look forward to the day when 17:05 >> So, that I look forward to the day when we are saying like, "This person has 17:08 we are saying like, "This person has 17:08 we are saying like, "This person has Aspergillus mold illness. This person 17:11 Aspergillus mold illness. This person 17:11 Aspergillus mold illness. This person has 17:12 has 17:12 has Stachybotrys mold illness." because they 17:14 Stachybotrys mold illness." because they 17:14 Stachybotrys mold illness." because they really are all so different. They look a 17:18 really are all so different. They look a 17:18 really are all so different. They look a lot the same. There are a lot of 17:19 lot the same. There are a lot of 17:19 lot the same. There are a lot of commonalities, but they're different 17:21 commonalities, but they're different 17:21 commonalities, but they're different conditions and they need to be treated 17:23 conditions and they need to be treated 17:23 conditions and they need to be treated differently. 17:25 differently. 17:25 differently. >> Yeah, that's that's a really important 17:27 >> Yeah, that's that's a really important 17:27 >> Yeah, that's that's a really important distinction. Yeah, so true. 17:29 distinction. Yeah, so true. 17:29 distinction. Yeah, so true. And 17:31 And 17:31 And yeah, I've become less interested in 17:33 yeah, I've become less interested in 17:33 yeah, I've become less interested in trying to determine whether it's all 17:34 trying to determine whether it's all 17:34 trying to determine whether it's all exposure all terrain because like you 17:36 exposure all terrain because like you 17:36 exposure all terrain because like you said clinically it can be both as well. 17:39 said clinically it can be both as well. 17:39 said clinically it can be both as well. And there's so many different exposures 17:41 And there's so many different exposures 17:41 And there's so many different exposures and if someone is sensitive to mold or 17:43 and if someone is sensitive to mold or 17:43 and if someone is sensitive to mold or sensitive to toxins, then they can you 17:47 sensitive to toxins, then they can you 17:47 sensitive to toxins, then they can you know, of course react way more than the 17:50 know, of course react way more than the 17:50 know, of course react way more than the next person would if you weren't 17:52 next person would if you weren't 17:52 next person would if you weren't sensitized to mold either. So even if 17:55 sensitized to mold either. So even if 17:55 sensitized to mold either. So even if you're just getting a quick exposure at 17:57 you're just getting a quick exposure at 17:57 you're just getting a quick exposure at you know, Airbnb or something like that. 18:00 you know, Airbnb or something like that. 18:00 you know, Airbnb or something like that. >> Yeah. Yeah, the people that have had 18:02 >> Yeah. Yeah, the people that have had 18:02 >> Yeah. Yeah, the people that have had like the college housing exposure and 18:04 like the college housing exposure and 18:04 like the college housing exposure and they just weren't kind of haven't been 18:06 they just weren't kind of haven't been 18:06 they just weren't kind of haven't been well since kind of thing and then 18:09 well since kind of thing and then 18:09 well since kind of thing and then they can limp along and they're doing 18:11 they can limp along and they're doing 18:11 they can limp along and they're doing okay. That's what we kind of refer to as 18:13 okay. That's what we kind of refer to as 18:13 okay. That's what we kind of refer to as the vertically sick, you know, they're 18:14 the vertically sick, you know, they're 18:14 the vertically sick, you know, they're walking around in the world. They're not 18:16 walking around in the world. They're not 18:16 walking around in the world. They're not horizontally sick. They're not in bed. 18:18 horizontally sick. They're not in bed. 18:18 horizontally sick. They're not in bed. Sometimes that happens. But they're 18:20 Sometimes that happens. But they're 18:20 Sometimes that happens. But they're doing okay, okay, okay, coping, coping, 18:22 doing okay, okay, okay, coping, coping, 18:22 doing okay, okay, okay, coping, coping, coping until they get the next mold hit 18:25 coping until they get the next mold hit 18:25 coping until they get the next mold hit which could be 10 years later and 18:27 which could be 10 years later and 18:27 which could be 10 years later and they're the one that reacts initially. 18:29 they're the one that reacts initially. 18:29 they're the one that reacts initially. They're the going to be the immediate 18:30 They're the going to be the immediate 18:30 They're the going to be the immediate reactors cuz their cup is already full 18:34 reactors cuz their cup is already full 18:34 reactors cuz their cup is already full of all of the spores and the toxins and 18:36 of all of the spores and the toxins and 18:36 of all of the spores and the toxins and things like that and all it took was a 18:37 things like that and all it took was a 18:37 things like that and all it took was a little bit to tip it over the edge. 18:41 little bit to tip it over the edge. 18:41 little bit to tip it over the edge. >> Yeah, absolutely that toxin bucket. So 18:44 >> Yeah, absolutely that toxin bucket. So 18:44 >> Yeah, absolutely that toxin bucket. So then how much of the chronic reactivity 18:46 then how much of the chronic reactivity 18:46 then how much of the chronic reactivity do you think becomes neurologic over 18:49 do you think becomes neurologic over 18:49 do you think becomes neurologic over time? 18:50 time? 18:50 time? >> I think a lot. All mycotoxins together 18:53 >> I think a lot. All mycotoxins together 18:53 >> I think a lot. All mycotoxins together we're saying you know, the 15 million. 18:55 we're saying you know, the 15 million. 18:55 we're saying you know, the 15 million. Um, 18:56 Um, 18:56 Um, however, they are all toxic to the 18:58 however, they are all toxic to the 18:58 however, they are all toxic to the mitochondria and that's because of what 19:00 mitochondria and that's because of what 19:01 mitochondria and that's because of what they do. All mycotoxins disrupt the 19:03 they do. All mycotoxins disrupt the 19:03 they do. All mycotoxins disrupt the membrane which makes it hard for the 19:05 membrane which makes it hard for the 19:05 membrane which makes it hard for the mitochondria to make energy. They're all 19:07 mitochondria to make energy. They're all 19:07 mitochondria to make energy. They're all neuro neurotoxic. 19:09 neuro neurotoxic. 19:09 neuro neurotoxic. They're all toxic to the organs of our 19:12 They're all toxic to the organs of our 19:12 They're all toxic to the organs of our detoxification. So, they hurt the very 19:14 detoxification. So, they hurt the very 19:14 detoxification. So, they hurt the very organs that are trying to get rid of 19:16 organs that are trying to get rid of 19:16 organs that are trying to get rid of them. So, kidneys, liver, gut. The 19:18 them. So, kidneys, liver, gut. The 19:18 them. So, kidneys, liver, gut. The microbiome on its own can degrade 19:21 microbiome on its own can degrade 19:21 microbiome on its own can degrade mycotoxins if it's a healthy microbiome, 19:24 mycotoxins if it's a healthy microbiome, 19:24 mycotoxins if it's a healthy microbiome, but it can't do that over and over and 19:25 but it can't do that over and over and 19:25 but it can't do that over and over and over every day, every day, every day. 19:27 over every day, every day, every day. 19:27 over every day, every day, every day. That's like a one-off kind of thing. If 19:29 That's like a one-off kind of thing. If 19:29 That's like a one-off kind of thing. If you ate some, 19:31 you ate some, 19:31 you ate some, you know, but we can support certain 19:34 you know, but we can support certain 19:34 you know, but we can support certain probiotics that we know will degrade 19:36 probiotics that we know will degrade 19:36 probiotics that we know will degrade these mycotoxins. 19:38 these mycotoxins. 19:38 these mycotoxins. Um So, yeah, I think the chronic 19:40 Um So, yeah, I think the chronic 19:40 Um So, yeah, I think the chronic activation 19:42 activation 19:42 activation This is why I treat the nose because it 19:45 This is why I treat the nose because it 19:45 This is why I treat the nose because it so often is the reservoir for continuing 19:47 so often is the reservoir for continuing 19:47 so often is the reservoir for continuing presence. And you have this person that 19:50 presence. And you have this person that 19:50 presence. And you have this person that is just so fragile. 19:52 is just so fragile. 19:52 is just so fragile. We already know from Dr. Bredesen's work 19:54 We already know from Dr. Bredesen's work 19:54 We already know from Dr. Bredesen's work that mycotoxins can get in the brain. 19:56 that mycotoxins can get in the brain. 19:56 that mycotoxins can get in the brain. They can lead to a dementia. He calls it 19:59 They can lead to a dementia. He calls it 19:59 They can lead to a dementia. He calls it Alzheimer's type three. So, for me, I 20:01 Alzheimer's type three. So, for me, I 20:01 Alzheimer's type three. So, for me, I want to see somebody completely well 20:04 want to see somebody completely well 20:04 want to see somebody completely well after this because then they're not the 20:06 after this because then they're not the 20:06 after this because then they're not the person who's just waiting for that next 20:08 person who's just waiting for that next 20:08 person who's just waiting for that next thing to tip them over and have 20:10 thing to tip them over and have 20:10 thing to tip them over and have something more serious happen. 20:12 something more serious happen. 20:12 something more serious happen. >> Yeah, absolutely. And then that whole 20:14 >> Yeah, absolutely. And then that whole 20:14 >> Yeah, absolutely. And then that whole other layer with the amygdala and the 20:17 other layer with the amygdala and the 20:17 other layer with the amygdala and the fight or flight response and and all of 20:20 fight or flight response and and all of 20:20 fight or flight response and and all of that just from 20:22 that just from 20:22 that just from being chronically in fight or flight 20:24 being chronically in fight or flight 20:24 being chronically in fight or flight from mold as well. 20:26 from mold as well. 20:26 from mold as well. >> Mhm. 20:27 >> Mhm. 20:27 >> Mhm. >> Hypervigilance and your autonomic 20:29 >> Hypervigilance and your autonomic 20:29 >> Hypervigilance and your autonomic dysfunction and all of those things. 20:32 dysfunction and all of those things. 20:32 dysfunction and all of those things. So, 20:33 So, 20:33 So, yeah, I I think the nervous system is a 20:36 yeah, I I think the nervous system is a 20:36 yeah, I I think the nervous system is a huge, huge piece and and we really can't 20:38 huge, huge piece and and we really can't 20:38 huge, huge piece and and we really can't ignore it clinically. I think it can go 20:41 ignore it clinically. I think it can go 20:41 ignore it clinically. I think it can go a little too far where people say, "Oh, 20:42 a little too far where people say, "Oh, 20:42 a little too far where people say, "Oh, this is the answer," right, to do just 20:45 this is the answer," right, to do just 20:45 this is the answer," right, to do just nervous system regulation, but it has to 20:47 nervous system regulation, but it has to 20:47 nervous system regulation, but it has to be part of the protocol. I mean, I've 20:49 be part of the protocol. I mean, I've 20:49 be part of the protocol. I mean, I've definitely had people who message me 20:51 definitely had people who message me 20:51 definitely had people who message me saying, "Okay, I felt a shift in my body 20:55 saying, "Okay, I felt a shift in my body 20:55 saying, "Okay, I felt a shift in my body finally and you can kind of just relax 20:57 finally and you can kind of just relax 20:57 finally and you can kind of just relax again." So, if you're in fight or flight 21:00 again." So, if you're in fight or flight 21:00 again." So, if you're in fight or flight for however long and then you finally 21:04 for however long and then you finally 21:04 for however long and then you finally take care of that, then it can be 21:06 take care of that, then it can be 21:06 take care of that, then it can be really, really powerful. 21:08 really, really powerful. 21:08 really, really powerful. >> I'm so glad you said that. I have kind 21:09 >> I'm so glad you said that. I have kind 21:09 >> I'm so glad you said that. I have kind of a soapbox about that. I I do not 21:12 of a soapbox about that. I I do not 21:12 of a soapbox about that. I I do not agree that you can think yourself out of 21:14 agree that you can think yourself out of 21:14 agree that you can think yourself out of a 21:15 a 21:15 a a sick building. 21:17 a sick building. 21:17 a sick building. Um I've just seen so, so, so many times 21:19 Um I've just seen so, so, so many times 21:19 Um I've just seen so, so, so many times over my, you know, a couple decades now 21:21 over my, you know, a couple decades now 21:21 over my, you know, a couple decades now where it's just like 21:23 where it's just like 21:23 where it's just like they were, you know, a family was told 21:25 they were, you know, a family was told 21:25 they were, you know, a family was told or, you know, the sick one in the family 21:27 or, you know, the sick one in the family 21:27 or, you know, the sick one in the family and you know, sick mom and a sick kid 21:29 and you know, sick mom and a sick kid 21:29 and you know, sick mom and a sick kid usually, um are sort of like,
Herbal Antifungals and Fungal Hierarchy 21:32 usually, um are sort of like, 21:32 usually, um are sort of like, you know, poo-pooed and all of that. I 21:34 you know, poo-pooed and all of that. I 21:34 you know, poo-pooed and all of that. I guess the term is gaslit. 21:36 guess the term is gaslit. 21:36 guess the term is gaslit. Um and told like it's just you need to 21:38 Um and told like it's just you need to 21:38 Um and told like it's just you need to get your thinking right. And like you 21:40 get your thinking right. And like you 21:40 get your thinking right. And like you said, that has a role, but 21:43 said, that has a role, but 21:44 said, that has a role, but you can't you should not. 21:46 you can't you should not. 21:46 you can't you should not. I'm sorry to should on people, but um 21:48 I'm sorry to should on people, but um 21:48 I'm sorry to should on people, but um should not 21:50 should not 21:50 should not uh be in a sick building. It's We know 21:53 uh be in a sick building. It's We know 21:53 uh be in a sick building. It's We know these things are toxic to humans. 21:55 these things are toxic to humans. 21:55 these things are toxic to humans. They're toxic to animals. You know, we 21:57 They're toxic to animals. You know, we 21:57 They're toxic to animals. You know, we get Dogs and cats get sick. 22:00 get Dogs and cats get sick. 22:00 get Dogs and cats get sick. You can't out-think your way from that. 22:02 You can't out-think your way from that. 22:02 You can't out-think your way from that. You need to be out of the sick building. 22:04 You need to be out of the sick building. 22:04 You need to be out of the sick building. And I do consults, peer-to-peer consults 22:07 And I do consults, peer-to-peer consults 22:07 And I do consults, peer-to-peer consults all day long. And I work with really 22:09 all day long. And I work with really 22:09 all day long. And I work with really smart doctors who have these beautiful 22:12 smart doctors who have these beautiful 22:12 smart doctors who have these beautiful plans and they're not sure like why So I 22:15 plans and they're not sure like why So I 22:15 plans and they're not sure like why So I get called in as a second opinion 22:17 get called in as a second opinion 22:18 get called in as a second opinion for why isn't this working? And I would 22:20 for why isn't this working? And I would 22:20 for why isn't this working? And I would say over 85% of the time it's not 22:22 say over 85% of the time it's not 22:22 say over 85% of the time it's not working cuz the patient is still in 22:24 working cuz the patient is still in 22:24 working cuz the patient is still in mold. 22:26 mold. 22:26 mold. So, 22:27 So, 22:27 So, let's start there. That's why it's step 22:29 let's start there. That's why it's step 22:29 let's start there. That's why it's step one in my, you know, peel the orange. 22:32 one in my, you know, peel the orange. 22:32 one in my, you know, peel the orange. Cuz it's 22:32 Cuz it's 22:32 Cuz it's >> Yes. 22:33 >> Yes. 22:33 >> Yes. >> Getting out of mold, you might be 22:35 >> Getting out of mold, you might be 22:35 >> Getting out of mold, you might be you might be on that side of the coin. 22:37 you might be on that side of the coin. 22:37 you might be on that side of the coin. You know, there's a 50/50 split in 22:39 You know, there's a 50/50 split in 22:39 You know, there's a 50/50 split in general people who can just get out of 22:40 general people who can just get out of 22:40 general people who can just get out of mold and get better. Like let's see if 22:42 mold and get better. Like let's see if 22:42 mold and get better. Like let's see if you're that. And then you don't have to 22:43 you're that. And then you don't have to 22:43 you're that. And then you don't have to spend any money on appointments and 22:45 spend any money on appointments and 22:45 spend any money on appointments and supplements and all of that, you know? 22:47 supplements and all of that, you know? 22:47 supplements and all of that, you know? Get out of the mold first. And I know 22:48 Get out of the mold first. And I know 22:48 Get out of the mold first. And I know that's hard to do. 22:51 that's hard to do. 22:51 that's hard to do. >> Yes. Yeah, it's it can be so hard, but 22:54 >> Yes. Yeah, it's it can be so hard, but 22:54 >> Yes. Yeah, it's it can be so hard, but it is so important and and people, you 22:56 it is so important and and people, you 22:56 it is so important and and people, you know, don't want to hear it sometimes 22:58 know, don't want to hear it sometimes 22:58 know, don't want to hear it sometimes because, you know, we don't want to hear 22:59 because, you know, we don't want to hear 22:59 because, you know, we don't want to hear it. We want to hear that we want to hear 23:00 it. We want to hear that we want to hear 23:01 it. We want to hear that we want to hear it and take. We can hear, you know, we 23:02 it and take. We can hear, you know, we 23:02 it and take. We can hear, you know, we don't we just want to take take 23:04 don't we just want to take take 23:04 don't we just want to take take something and then, you know, we don't 23:05 something and then, you know, we don't 23:05 something and then, you know, we don't have to deal with the it's so expensive, 23:08 have to deal with the it's so expensive, 23:08 have to deal with the it's so expensive, it's so overwhelming. But, yeah, I I 23:12 it's so overwhelming. But, yeah, I I 23:12 it's so overwhelming. But, yeah, I I when people come to me, that's one of 23:13 when people come to me, that's one of 23:13 when people come to me, that's one of the first things that I ask for sure is, 23:16 the first things that I ask for sure is, 23:16 the first things that I ask for sure is, you know, what's the current 23:17 you know, what's the current 23:18 you know, what's the current environmental situation? Do we know? 23:21 environmental situation? Do we know? 23:22 environmental situation? Do we know? And if we don't know, we got to figure 23:23 And if we don't know, we got to figure 23:23 And if we don't know, we got to figure it out. 23:24 it out. 23:24 it out. >> Getting experts for that. Your doctor 23:26 >> Getting experts for that. Your doctor 23:26 >> Getting experts for that. Your doctor should not be managing that from the 23:28 should not be managing that from the 23:28 should not be managing that from the clinical space. They have no training. 23:30 clinical space. They have no training. 23:30 clinical space. They have no training. They have no no no no training in 23:31 They have no no no no training in 23:31 They have no no no no training in buildings. So, hire the experts. There 23:34 buildings. So, hire the experts. There 23:34 buildings. So, hire the experts. There are many really good inspectors that 23:36 are many really good inspectors that 23:36 are many really good inspectors that will do virtual consults. 23:39 will do virtual consults. 23:39 will do virtual consults. Um not all inspectors are created 23:41 Um not all inspectors are created 23:41 Um not all inspectors are created equally, so I need to just say that out 23:43 equally, so I need to just say that out 23:43 equally, so I need to just say that out loud. 23:44 loud. 23:44 loud. Um there are many that miss mold that 23:46 Um there are many that miss mold that 23:46 Um there are many that miss mold that will not be testing for mycotoxins, 23:48 will not be testing for mycotoxins, 23:48 will not be testing for mycotoxins, which is a big blind spot in the 23:50 which is a big blind spot in the 23:50 which is a big blind spot in the environmental professional world. 23:52 environmental professional world. 23:52 environmental professional world. Um so, you may need to do your own 23:53 Um so, you may need to do your own 23:53 Um so, you may need to do your own mycotoxin testing, which you can do 23:55 mycotoxin testing, which you can do 23:55 mycotoxin testing, which you can do yourself through Real Time Labs. 23:58 yourself through Real Time Labs. 23:58 yourself through Real Time Labs. Um but that should be part of the 24:00 Um but that should be part of the 24:00 Um but that should be part of the assessment. So, not all of them are 24:02 assessment. So, not all of them are 24:02 assessment. So, not all of them are created equally, but those that are, you 24:04 created equally, but those that are, you 24:04 created equally, but those that are, you know, out talking to you and I, 24:06 know, out talking to you and I, 24:06 know, out talking to you and I, um out on social media, they really 24:09 um out on social media, they really 24:09 um out on social media, they really they're big-hearted people and they can 24:11 they're big-hearted people and they can 24:11 they're big-hearted people and they can do virtual consults. So, the home has to 24:14 do virtual consults. So, the home has to 24:14 do virtual consults. So, the home has to be 24:15 be 24:15 be assessed. 24:16 assessed. 24:16 assessed. >> Absolutely so true, and I love what you 24:19 >> Absolutely so true, and I love what you 24:19 >> Absolutely so true, and I love what you said about the doctor should not be 24:21 said about the doctor should not be 24:21 said about the doctor should not be trying to do the environmental side 24:22 trying to do the environmental side 24:22 trying to do the environmental side because it's yeah, that's not our 24:23 because it's yeah, that's not our 24:23 because it's yeah, that's not our training. Yeah, sometimes people will 24:25 training. Yeah, sometimes people will 24:25 training. Yeah, sometimes people will send me like an ERMI result, and you 24:27 send me like an ERMI result, and you 24:27 send me like an ERMI result, and you know, like, okay, well, I you know, I I 24:29 know, like, okay, well, I you know, I I 24:29 know, like, okay, well, I you know, I I know what it shows, but that's not my 24:32 know what it shows, but that's not my 24:32 know what it shows, but that's not my lane to give you any recommendations as 24:34 lane to give you any recommendations as 24:34 lane to give you any recommendations as far as environmental-wise. 24:36 far as environmental-wise. 24:36 far as environmental-wise. You know, we can comment on, okay, 24:37 You know, we can comment on, okay, 24:37 You know, we can comment on, okay, you're more sensitive to mold, so we 24:40 you're more sensitive to mold, so we 24:40 you're more sensitive to mold, so we should have make sure to have a low 24:43 should have make sure to have a low 24:43 should have make sure to have a low really low mold, you know, levels. Um 24:46 really low mold, you know, levels. Um 24:46 really low mold, you know, levels. Um they won't be tolerated if they're 24:48 they won't be tolerated if they're 24:48 they won't be tolerated if they're higher, you know, than a certain amount, 24:50 higher, you know, than a certain amount, 24:50 higher, you know, than a certain amount, but 24:52 but 24:52 but definitely definitely like to stay in 24:54 definitely definitely like to stay in 24:54 definitely definitely like to stay in our lane. 24:55 our lane. 24:55 our lane. So. 24:55 So. 24:55 So. >> Yeah. Yeah. I It just breaks that I'm 24:58 >> Yeah. Yeah. I It just breaks that I'm 24:58 >> Yeah. Yeah. I It just breaks that I'm very, as you know from taking the class 24:59 very, as you know from taking the class 24:59 very, as you know from taking the class I have a whole like soap box I get on 25:01 I have a whole like soap box I get on 25:01 I have a whole like soap box I get on about that because 25:03 about that because 25:03 about that because I have seen where you know a 25:05 I have seen where you know a 25:05 I have seen where you know a four-year-old got leukemia because the 25:07 four-year-old got leukemia because the 25:07 four-year-old got leukemia because the doctor tried to do an ERMI and then 25:09 doctor tried to do an ERMI and then 25:09 doctor tried to do an ERMI and then decide what needed to happen in the in
Remediation, Environment, and Getting Out of Mold 25:10 decide what needed to happen in the in 25:10 decide what needed to happen in the in the home and I'm just like no no no no 25:12 the home and I'm just like no no no no 25:12 the home and I'm just like no no no no no. 25:13 no. 25:13 no. I've seen MS, I've seen ALS, I've seen 25:16 I've seen MS, I've seen ALS, I've seen 25:16 I've seen MS, I've seen ALS, I've seen all kinds of like cancer 25:19 all kinds of like cancer 25:19 all kinds of like cancer in people who were their doctor tried to 25:21 in people who were their doctor tried to 25:21 in people who were their doctor tried to manage the house. 25:23 manage the house. 25:23 manage the house. Get it's it's worth it. You know you can 25:26 Get it's it's worth it. You know you can 25:26 Get it's it's worth it. You know you can live in studs. 25:29 live in studs. 25:29 live in studs. You know get the mold out and then you 25:31 You know get the mold out and then you 25:31 You know get the mold out and then you can earn the money or whatever to do the 25:33 can earn the money or whatever to do the 25:33 can earn the money or whatever to do the rebuild. 25:35 rebuild. 25:35 rebuild. You're more resilient than you ever know 25:38 You're more resilient than you ever know 25:38 You're more resilient than you ever know and getting that out of your environment 25:41 and getting that out of your environment 25:41 and getting that out of your environment and getting your head clear 25:43 and getting your head clear 25:43 and getting your head clear that's that's critical critical 25:45 that's that's critical critical 25:45 that's that's critical critical importance. 25:47 importance. 25:47 importance. >> Absolutely. Yeah, very very serious 25:49 >> Absolutely. Yeah, very very serious 25:50 >> Absolutely. Yeah, very very serious disease can be triggered 25:52 disease can be triggered 25:52 disease can be triggered and exacerbated. 25:54 and exacerbated. 25:54 and exacerbated. So I want to go back to what you said a 25:57 So I want to go back to what you said a 25:57 So I want to go back to what you said a few minutes ago about treating the nose 26:00 few minutes ago about treating the nose 26:00 few minutes ago about treating the nose because I am so glad I took your courses 26:03 because I am so glad I took your courses 26:03 because I am so glad I took your courses first because a lot of people 26:05 first because a lot of people 26:05 first because a lot of people you know don't do that and I I just got 26:08 you know don't do that and I I just got 26:08 you know don't do that and I I just got a message today from a client who's been 26:10 a message today from a client who's been 26:10 a message today from a client who's been on the sinus probiotics and just saying 26:14 on the sinus probiotics and just saying 26:14 on the sinus probiotics and just saying just remarkable improvement from being 26:17 just remarkable improvement from being 26:18 just remarkable improvement from being on a sinus regimen, you know, hasn't 26:20 on a sinus regimen, you know, hasn't 26:20 on a sinus regimen, you know, hasn't felt this well in years and you know it 26:23 felt this well in years and you know it 26:23 felt this well in years and you know it it was because the sinuses haven't 26:25 it was because the sinuses haven't 26:25 it was because the sinuses haven't hadn't been addressed. So I mean do you 26:27 hadn't been addressed. So I mean do you 26:27 hadn't been addressed. So I mean do you see that a lot where that's kind of the 26:30 see that a lot where that's kind of the 26:30 see that a lot where that's kind of the thing that people were missing? 26:32 thing that people were missing? 26:32 thing that people were missing? >> For sure and I was missing it. I mean it 26:35 >> For sure and I was missing it. I mean it 26:35 >> For sure and I was missing it. I mean it was up until 26:36 was up until 26:36 was up until I think it was 2013 or 14 Dr. Brewer's 26:39 I think it was 2013 or 14 Dr. Brewer's 26:39 I think it was 2013 or 14 Dr. Brewer's study where they were taking samplings 26:41 study where they were taking samplings 26:41 study where they were taking samplings of you know 26:43 of you know 26:43 of you know testing tissue so they did sinus gut 26:45 testing tissue so they did sinus gut 26:45 testing tissue so they did sinus gut lung I think they even did brain. 26:47 lung I think they even did brain. 26:47 lung I think they even did brain. And they found that lo Lo behold 26:50 And they found that lo Lo behold 26:50 And they found that lo Lo behold everybody has fungus in sinuses. So, 26:53 everybody has fungus in sinuses. So, 26:53 everybody has fungus in sinuses. So, that's not the big news. The big news is 26:56 that's not the big news. The big news is 26:56 that's not the big news. The big news is people who have been made sick from a 26:58 people who have been made sick from a 26:58 people who have been made sick from a water damaged building, their sinuses 27:00 water damaged building, their sinuses 27:00 water damaged building, their sinuses had mycotoxins. The healthy people did 27:02 had mycotoxins. The healthy people did 27:02 had mycotoxins. The healthy people did not. 27:03 not. 27:03 not. And that's when I was like 27:05 And that's when I was like 27:05 And that's when I was like Oh, this is colonization. 27:08 Oh, this is colonization. 27:08 Oh, this is colonization. That means that the ones that are in 27:10 That means that the ones that are in 27:10 That means that the ones that are in these people's noses that are making 27:11 these people's noses that are making 27:11 these people's noses that are making mycotoxins are trying to become 27:13 mycotoxins are trying to become 27:13 mycotoxins are trying to become residents, not tourists. You know, we're 27:15 residents, not tourists. You know, we're 27:15 residents, not tourists. You know, we're always breathing in spores and then 27:17 always breathing in spores and then 27:17 always breathing in spores and then we're supposed to breathe them out. 27:19 we're supposed to breathe them out. 27:19 we're supposed to breathe them out. And we have we're supposed to you know, 27:20 And we have we're supposed to you know, 27:20 And we have we're supposed to you know, our snot is all part of our immune 27:22 our snot is all part of our immune 27:22 our snot is all part of our immune system. It's supposed to 27:23 system. It's supposed to 27:23 system. It's supposed to enzymatically, you know, dissolve these 27:26 enzymatically, you know, dissolve these 27:26 enzymatically, you know, dissolve these things that we don't want. But if you 27:28 things that we don't want. But if you 27:28 things that we don't want. But if you have mycotoxins in the air, it's 27:30 have mycotoxins in the air, it's 27:30 have mycotoxins in the air, it's disassembling your immune system of your 27:32 disassembling your immune system of your 27:32 disassembling your immune system of your respiratory passages. And then if you 27:34 respiratory passages. And then if you 27:34 respiratory passages. And then if you get a spore in there it's trying to 27:36 get a spore in there it's trying to 27:36 get a spore in there it's trying to become a resident, another spore comes 27:38 become a resident, another spore comes 27:38 become a resident, another spore comes in and then they start fighting and now 27:40 in and then they start fighting and now 27:40 in and then they start fighting and now you have a mycotoxin factory in your own 27:41 you have a mycotoxin factory in your own 27:41 you have a mycotoxin factory in your own sinuses. 27:43 sinuses. 27:43 sinuses. So, I started treating, you know, the 27:45 So, I started treating, you know, the 27:45 So, I started treating, you know, the nose. I was always doing the whole body 27:47 nose. I was always doing the whole body 27:47 nose. I was always doing the whole body stuff or systemic antifungals. But when 27:50 stuff or systemic antifungals. But when 27:50 stuff or systemic antifungals. But when I added the nose I went like better 27:51 I added the nose I went like better 27:51 I added the nose I went like better better better better better 27:53 better better better better 27:53 better better better better And I thought 27:55 And I thought 27:55 And I thought Okay, 27:56 Okay, 27:56 Okay, I'm not going to make my patients suffer 27:59 I'm not going to make my patients suffer 27:59 I'm not going to make my patients suffer longer if I know that this is so 28:00 longer if I know that this is so 28:00 longer if I know that this is so effective. So, I'm yeah, I'm really 28:02 effective. So, I'm yeah, I'm really 28:03 effective. So, I'm yeah, I'm really bossy about the nose treatment. 28:05 bossy about the nose treatment. 28:05 bossy about the nose treatment. Because 28:06 Because 28:06 Because >> Yeah. 28:07 >> Yeah. 28:07 >> Yeah. >> want to see them that sick. And it when 28:09 >> want to see them that sick. And it when 28:09 >> want to see them that sick. And it when you think about it, like the sinuses are 28:10 you think about it, like the sinuses are 28:10 you think about it, like the sinuses are the top of our digestive tube. So, every 28:13 the top of our digestive tube. So, every 28:13 the top of our digestive tube. So, every time you swallow post nasal drip, you're 28:14 time you swallow post nasal drip, you're 28:14 time you swallow post nasal drip, you're seeding the gut. 28:16 seeding the gut. 28:16 seeding the gut. And you know, it's like we don't 28:18 And you know, it's like we don't 28:18 And you know, it's like we don't Let's start at the top. 28:20 Let's start at the top. 28:20 Let's start at the top. >> Plug the leak. 28:21 >> Plug the leak. 28:21 >> Plug the leak. >> Yeah, it can be a source that for the 28:23 >> Yeah, it can be a source that for the 28:23 >> Yeah, it can be a source that for the rest of the gut, for sure. 28:25 rest of the gut, for sure. 28:25 rest of the gut, for sure. >> Yeah. 28:26 >> Yeah. 28:26 >> Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think I know which study 28:27 Yeah, yeah, I think I know which study 28:27 Yeah, yeah, I think I know which study you're talking about. That one about 28:28 you're talking about. That one about 28:28 you're talking about. That one about chronic illness is naso sinus bio or 28:32 chronic illness is naso sinus bio or 28:32 chronic illness is naso sinus bio or biofilms the culprit. Yeah, that's such 28:34 biofilms the culprit. Yeah, that's such 28:34 biofilms the culprit. Yeah, that's such a good study. 28:36 a good study. 28:36 a good study. >> Oh my gosh, it completely revolutionized 28:37 >> Oh my gosh, it completely revolutionized 28:37 >> Oh my gosh, it completely revolutionized my my treatment. You know, I added 28:40 my my treatment. You know, I added 28:40 my my treatment. You know, I added nasals and I was just like, let me see 28:42 nasals and I was just like, let me see 28:42 nasals and I was just like, let me see if this you know, if it is colonization, 28:45 if this you know, if it is colonization, 28:45 if this you know, if it is colonization, let's let's test it out and wow, what a 28:47 let's let's test it out and wow, what a 28:47 let's let's test it out and wow, what a big difference. Yeah. And then I made 28:50 big difference. Yeah. And then I made 28:50 big difference. Yeah. And then I made all the mistakes, you know, I tried 28:51 all the mistakes, you know, I tried 28:51 all the mistakes, you know, I tried using two things that were too 28:52 using two things that were too 28:52 using two things that were too aggressive and da da da da da, but yeah, 28:55 aggressive and da da da da da, but yeah, 28:55 aggressive and da da da da da, but yeah, I've gotten it down now a little bit 28:57 I've gotten it down now a little bit 28:57 I've gotten it down now a little bit more elegant. 29:00 more elegant. 29:00 more elegant. >> Yeah, I mean, I also love how you talk 29:02 >> Yeah, I mean, I also love how you talk 29:02 >> Yeah, I mean, I also love how you talk about in your course how you have to use 29:04 about in your course how you have to use 29:04 about in your course how you have to use nasal sprays correctly. For example, you 29:07 nasal sprays correctly. For example, you 29:07 nasal sprays correctly. For example, you know, you can't just kind of spray it up 29:10 know, you can't just kind of spray it up 29:10 know, you can't just kind of spray it up there in any way and expect it to 29:13 there in any way and expect it to 29:13 there in any way and expect it to pervade and permeate the sinuses, right? 29:17 pervade and permeate the sinuses, right? 29:17 pervade and permeate the sinuses, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I like things 29:19 >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I like things 29:19 >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I like things like essential oils like this guy I 29:21 like essential oils like this guy I 29:21 like essential oils like this guy I always keep these by my little desk 29:24 always keep these by my little desk 29:24 always keep these by my little desk um because they're the essential oils 29:26 um because they're the essential oils 29:26 um because they're the essential oils are so effective and you can just like 29:28 are so effective and you can just like 29:28 are so effective and you can just like inhale them and then they can get to all
Nature, Healing, and Future Projects 29:30 inhale them and then they can get to all 29:30 inhale them and then they can get to all the cavernous parts of the sinuses and 29:33 the cavernous parts of the sinuses and 29:33 the cavernous parts of the sinuses and they're a nice in between for when 29:36 they're a nice in between for when 29:36 they're a nice in between for when someone's using a nasal spray. Nasal 29:37 someone's using a nasal spray. Nasal 29:37 someone's using a nasal spray. Nasal sprays can get irritating on the nasal 29:39 sprays can get irritating on the nasal 29:39 sprays can get irritating on the nasal tissue. So, that's why you know, the 29:41 tissue. So, that's why you know, the 29:41 tissue. So, that's why you know, the nasal probiotics are so nice. They reset 29:43 nasal probiotics are so nice. They reset 29:43 nasal probiotics are so nice. They reset the terrain. They reduce reactivity. You 29:46 the terrain. They reduce reactivity. You 29:46 the terrain. They reduce reactivity. You can use red light in the nose, little 29:49 can use red light in the nose, little 29:49 can use red light in the nose, little photobiomodulation. 29:51 photobiomodulation. 29:51 photobiomodulation. But I love the essential oils because 29:52 But I love the essential oils because 29:52 But I love the essential oils because they also have the limbic part. So, 29:54 they also have the limbic part. So, 29:54 they also have the limbic part. So, you're doing the antifungals and you're 29:56 you're doing the antifungals and you're 29:56 you're doing the antifungals and you're doing limbic rebalancing. So, you don't 29:58 doing limbic rebalancing. So, you don't 29:58 doing limbic rebalancing. So, you don't have to go through this whole 30:00 have to go through this whole 30:00 have to go through this whole you know, nervous system rigmarole or 30:03 you know, nervous system rigmarole or 30:03 you know, nervous system rigmarole or limbic reactive you know, limbic 30:04 limbic reactive you know, limbic 30:04 limbic reactive you know, limbic training or whatever. You can use things 30:06 training or whatever. You can use things 30:06 training or whatever. You can use things like essential oils and 30:09 like essential oils and 30:09 like essential oils and frequency specific microcurrent and you 30:12 frequency specific microcurrent and you 30:12 frequency specific microcurrent and you know, 30:13 know, 30:13 know, meditation. There's lots of ways to get 30:15 meditation. There's lots of ways to get 30:15 meditation. There's lots of ways to get at that that nervous system. 30:19 at that that nervous system. 30:19 at that that nervous system. >> So true. Yeah, the nose, the sinuses a 30:21 >> So true. Yeah, the nose, the sinuses a 30:21 >> So true. Yeah, the nose, the sinuses a great gateway to the 30:24 great gateway to the 30:24 great gateway to the nervous system too. So close to the 30:25 nervous system too. So close to the 30:25 nervous system too. So close to the brain. 30:27 brain. 30:27 brain. So, 30:28 So, 30:28 So, we you know, we all we both post online 30:31 we you know, we all we both post online 30:31 we you know, we all we both post online a lot about mold and 30:34 a lot about mold and 30:34 a lot about mold and you know, I feel like with social media 30:36 you know, I feel like with social media 30:36 you know, I feel like with social media helps validate a lot of people who were 30:39 helps validate a lot of people who were 30:39 helps validate a lot of people who were previously dismissed or gaslit, which is 30:40 previously dismissed or gaslit, which is 30:40 previously dismissed or gaslit, which is really important. Anywhere you feel like 30:43 really important. Anywhere you feel like 30:43 really important. Anywhere you feel like nuance nuance is getting lost or there 30:45 nuance nuance is getting lost or there 30:45 nuance nuance is getting lost or there is anything that you would 30:48 is anything that you would 30:48 is anything that you would say is 30:50 say is 30:50 say is you know 30:51 you know 30:51 you know you need to get on a soap box about 30:53 you need to get on a soap box about 30:53 you need to get on a soap box about about mold and online presence. 30:57 about mold and online presence. 30:57 about mold and online presence. Uh I haven't been on enough soap boxes 30:59 Uh I haven't been on enough soap boxes 30:59 Uh I haven't been on enough soap boxes yet for you? 31:01 yet for you? 31:01 yet for you? No, I love it. They're your soap boxes 31:03 No, I love it. They're your soap boxes 31:03 No, I love it. They're your soap boxes are very well founded. 31:11 >> Um that's a great question. I think one 31:11 >> Um that's a great question. I think one thing that I hear a lot is that people 31:12 thing that I hear a lot is that people 31:12 thing that I hear a lot is that people feel like they have to use 31:14 feel like they have to use 31:14 feel like they have to use pharmaceuticals to get better. 31:16 pharmaceuticals to get better. 31:16 pharmaceuticals to get better. >> Mhm. 31:17 >> Mhm. 31:17 >> Mhm. >> Um whether that's binder with 31:18 >> Um whether that's binder with 31:18 >> Um whether that's binder with cholestyramine or Welchol, or whether 31:21 cholestyramine or Welchol, or whether 31:21 cholestyramine or Welchol, or whether that's, you know, 31:23 that's, you know, 31:23 that's, you know, Sporanox or itraconazole for the 31:25 Sporanox or itraconazole for the 31:25 Sporanox or itraconazole for the antifungal. And, you know, I I work with 31:29 antifungal. And, you know, I I work with 31:29 antifungal. And, you know, I I work with people that get better with natural 31:30 people that get better with natural 31:30 people that get better with natural medicine. Where it goes wrong is if we 31:34 medicine. Where it goes wrong is if we 31:34 medicine. Where it goes wrong is if we don't understand the way that herbs 31:36 don't understand the way that herbs 31:36 don't understand the way that herbs work. Our body metabolizes them like a 31:38 work. Our body metabolizes them like a 31:38 work. Our body metabolizes them like a food. Drugs are made to kind of 31:42 food. Drugs are made to kind of 31:42 food. Drugs are made to kind of combat our natural metabolism so they 31:44 combat our natural metabolism so they 31:44 combat our natural metabolism so they stay in the bloodstream longer. 31:46 stay in the bloodstream longer. 31:46 stay in the bloodstream longer. Herbs are not that way. So, they have to 31:48 Herbs are not that way. So, they have to 31:48 Herbs are not that way. So, they have to be repeated multiple times a day, 31:50 be repeated multiple times a day, 31:51 be repeated multiple times a day, otherwise they're not effective. So, 31:53 otherwise they're not effective. So, 31:53 otherwise they're not effective. So, when people say, "Oh, yeah, I tried that 31:55 when people say, "Oh, yeah, I tried that 31:55 when people say, "Oh, yeah, I tried that and it didn't work for me." 31:57 and it didn't work for me." 31:57 and it didn't work for me." They're usually trying a single plant 31:59 They're usually trying a single plant 31:59 They're usually trying a single plant like oregano or a single neem or a 32:01 like oregano or a single neem or a 32:01 like oregano or a single neem or a single 32:03 single 32:03 single um Kolorex or something like that and um 32:06 um Kolorex or something like that and um 32:06 um Kolorex or something like that and um they're not use So, the molds are very 32:08 they're not use So, the molds are very 32:08 they're not use So, the molds are very sophisticated so I like to use 32:10 sophisticated so I like to use 32:10 sophisticated so I like to use combinations. And they need to be 32:12 combinations. And they need to be 32:12 combinations. And they need to be repeated. So, three to four times a day 32:14 repeated. So, three to four times a day 32:14 repeated. So, three to four times a day and done long-term. That's how we move 32:17 and done long-term. That's how we move 32:17 and done long-term. That's how we move the needle. So, if you are somebody 32:19 the needle. So, if you are somebody 32:19 the needle. So, if you are somebody who's tried, you really want to do herbs 32:21 who's tried, you really want to do herbs 32:21 who's tried, you really want to do herbs and you tried it and you feel like they 32:22 and you tried it and you feel like they 32:22 and you tried it and you feel like they failed you, or as an exit strategy to 32:25 failed you, or as an exit strategy to 32:25 failed you, or as an exit strategy to get off the pharmaceuticals, I love to 32:27 get off the pharmaceuticals, I love to 32:27 get off the pharmaceuticals, I love to use the herbs. And not not every herb 32:30 use the herbs. And not not every herb 32:30 use the herbs. And not not every herb will do. Those that are good for yeast 32:32 will do. Those that are good for yeast 32:32 will do. Those that are good for yeast aren't necessarily good for mold. 32:34 aren't necessarily good for mold. 32:34 aren't necessarily good for mold. Yeast is a single cell and mold is 32:36 Yeast is a single cell and mold is 32:36 Yeast is a single cell and mold is multicellular, so it's more complicated 32:39 multicellular, so it's more complicated 32:39 multicellular, so it's more complicated to get at. It's got more defensive 32:40 to get at. It's got more defensive 32:40 to get at. It's got more defensive things it can do. So, I like to use the 32:43 things it can do. So, I like to use the 32:43 things it can do. So, I like to use the ones the herbals that are going to be 32:45 ones the herbals that are going to be 32:45 ones the herbals that are going to be getting at the multicellular. So, 32:47 getting at the multicellular. So, 32:47 getting at the multicellular. So, oregano's great, thyme is great, but I 32:49 oregano's great, thyme is great, but I 32:49 oregano's great, thyme is great, but I also love to use propolis, bee propolis. 32:52 also love to use propolis, bee propolis. 32:52 also love to use propolis, bee propolis. Um neem, pau d'arco is huge for deeply 32:56 Um neem, pau d'arco is huge for deeply 32:56 Um neem, pau d'arco is huge for deeply embedded mucus. So, if somebody's just 32:58 embedded mucus. So, if somebody's just 32:58 embedded mucus. So, if somebody's just always snotty or postnasal drip, or you 33:01 always snotty or postnasal drip, or you 33:01 always snotty or postnasal drip, or you have this weird cough, or you have even 33:03 have this weird cough, or you have even 33:03 have this weird cough, or you have even a mucus in your stool, the pau d'arco is 33:05 a mucus in your stool, the pau d'arco is 33:05 a mucus in your stool, the pau d'arco is really lovely for that. Um old man's 33:07 really lovely for that. Um old man's 33:07 really lovely for that. Um old man's beard, I write about that one in my 33:08 beard, I write about that one in my 33:08 beard, I write about that one in my book. I just love that plant because 33:10 book. I just love that plant because 33:10 book. I just love that plant because it's so effective against these smart 33:12 it's so effective against these smart 33:12 it's so effective against these smart smart bugs. 33:13 smart bugs. 33:13 smart bugs. And all of those and cloves, I should 33:15 And all of those and cloves, I should 33:15 And all of those and cloves, I should say especially cloves, cuz cloves get at 33:18 say especially cloves, cuz cloves get at 33:18 say especially cloves, cuz cloves get at the biofilm. So, when we combine all of 33:20 the biofilm. So, when we combine all of 33:20 the biofilm. So, when we combine all of those together, if you repeat multiple 33:22 those together, if you repeat multiple 33:23 those together, if you repeat multiple times a day, 33:24 times a day, 33:24 times a day, then what you're getting is that 33:27 then what you're getting is that 33:27 then what you're getting is that you don't hit that metabolic dip. You're 33:29 you don't hit that metabolic dip. You're 33:29 you don't hit that metabolic dip. You're keeping the the blood plasma high, and 33:31 keeping the the blood plasma high, and 33:32 keeping the the blood plasma high, and that's where you can really really move 33:33 that's where you can really really move 33:33 that's where you can really really move the needle. 33:35 the needle. 33:35 the needle. >> Yeah, I love herbs to get people off 33:37 >> Yeah, I love herbs to get people off 33:37 >> Yeah, I love herbs to get people off I love using herbs to get people off of 33:39 I love using herbs to get people off of 33:39 I love using herbs to get people off of pharmaceuticals, for sure. And then, 33:42 pharmaceuticals, for sure. And then, 33:42 pharmaceuticals, for sure. And then, yeah, you mentioned the yeast, and 33:45 yeah, you mentioned the yeast, and 33:45 yeah, you mentioned the yeast, and so, I see a so much candida, you know, 33:47 so, I see a so much candida, you know, 33:48 so, I see a so much candida, you know, with mold. They love to hang out 33:50 with mold. They love to hang out 33:50 with mold. They love to hang out together. They're cousins, right? So, 33:52 together. They're cousins, right? So, 33:52 together. They're cousins, right? So, >> Yes. 33:53 >> Yes. 33:53 >> Yes. >> yeah, yeah, for sure. And you said that 33:56 >> yeah, yeah, for sure. And you said that 33:56 >> yeah, yeah, for sure. And you said that it requires a different strategy though, 33:58 it requires a different strategy though, 33:58 it requires a different strategy though, right? 33:59 right? 33:59 right? >> Mhm. 34:00 >> Mhm. 34:00 >> Mhm. >> Yeah. And you know, I kind of think 34:02 >> Yeah. And you know, I kind of think 34:02 >> Yeah. And you know, I kind of think about the fungal family 34:04 about the fungal family 34:04 about the fungal family um as a hierarchy. Um and I know you 34:07 um as a hierarchy. Um and I know you 34:07 um as a hierarchy. Um and I know you have a book on candida. 34:08 have a book on candida. 34:08 have a book on candida. Um if candida's really persistent and 34:11 Um if candida's really persistent and 34:11 Um if candida's really persistent and you can't get rid of it, there's a 34:12 you can't get rid of it, there's a 34:12 you can't get rid of it, there's a smarter fungus behind that. And that 34:14 smarter fungus behind that. And that 34:14 smarter fungus behind that. And that fungus would be spores. 34:16 fungus would be spores. 34:16 fungus would be spores. And we can get infections of spores. You 34:18 And we can get infections of spores. You 34:18 And we can get infections of spores. You can get aspergillosis and things like 34:20 can get aspergillosis and things like 34:20 can get aspergillosis and things like that. Um so, 34:23 that. Um so, 34:23 that. Um so, what's smarter behind that and 34:25 what's smarter behind that and 34:25 what's smarter behind that and underneath that is the fungal family, 34:27 underneath that is the fungal family, 34:27 underneath that is the fungal family, the mushrooms. 34:28 the mushrooms. 34:28 the mushrooms. But we don't want to use or at least I 34:30 But we don't want to use or at least I 34:30 But we don't want to use or at least I have found that if I use mushrooms, 34:32 have found that if I use mushrooms, 34:32 have found that if I use mushrooms, which are very good for setting the 34:33 which are very good for setting the 34:34 which are very good for setting the terrain, the mushrooms I think of as 34:36 terrain, the mushrooms I think of as 34:36 terrain, the mushrooms I think of as like the supreme intelligence of the 34:38 like the supreme intelligence of the 34:38 like the supreme intelligence of the fungal family, the mold is sort of like 34:41 fungal family, the mold is sort of like 34:41 fungal family, the mold is sort of like the construction workers. I'm here to do 34:43 the construction workers. I'm here to do 34:43 the construction workers. I'm here to do a job. Tell me what to do. And if you're 34:45 a job. Tell me what to do. And if you're 34:45 a job. Tell me what to do. And if you're in my way, I'm going to just like bark 34:47 in my way, I'm going to just like bark 34:47 in my way, I'm going to just like bark at you. That's mycotoxins, right? And 34:49 at you. That's mycotoxins, right? And 34:49 at you. That's mycotoxins, right? And then yeasts are just like big dummies. 34:51 then yeasts are just like big dummies. 34:51 then yeasts are just like big dummies. They're just kind of like 34:53 They're just kind of like 34:53 They're just kind of like I'm only one cell. I'm not very smart. I 34:55 I'm only one cell. I'm not very smart. I 34:55 I'm only one cell. I'm not very smart. I don't really have a big brain. I just 34:56 don't really have a big brain. I just 34:56 don't really have a big brain. I just show up when whenever the spores are 34:58 show up when whenever the spores are 34:58 show up when whenever the spores are around. I love, you know, or when 34:59 around. I love, you know, or when 34:59 around. I love, you know, or when there's sugar around. Like they're just 35:01 there's sugar around. Like they're just 35:01 there's sugar around. Like they're just kind of like 35:02 kind of like 35:02 kind of like sugar addicted little 35:05 sugar addicted little 35:05 sugar addicted little trolls. 35:05 trolls. 35:05 trolls. >> That is so I love that vivid imagery. 35:08 >> That is so I love that vivid imagery. 35:08 >> That is so I love that vivid imagery. That I love that. I'm going to use that. 35:10 That I love that. I'm going to use that. 35:10 That I love that. I'm going to use that. >> Yeah. So, you know, when we as you know 35:12 >> Yeah. So, you know, when we as you know 35:12 >> Yeah. So, you know, when we as you know from the class, once we get the 35:14 from the class, once we get the 35:14 from the class, once we get the antifungals on board and someone's in 35:16 antifungals on board and someone's in 35:16 antifungals on board and someone's in recovery mode, we can bring in the 35:18 recovery mode, we can bring in the 35:18 recovery mode, we can bring in the medicinal mushrooms to start to 35:20 medicinal mushrooms to start to 35:20 medicinal mushrooms to start to reestablish 35:21 reestablish 35:21 reestablish wisdom and grounding and communication 35:25 wisdom and grounding and communication 35:25 wisdom and grounding and communication networks, just like Paul Stamets calls 35:28 networks, just like Paul Stamets calls 35:28 networks, just like Paul Stamets calls it the wood wide web, you know, that 35:29 it the wood wide web, you know, that 35:29 it the wood wide web, you know, that mycelial network. 35:31 mycelial network. 35:31 mycelial network. All of that stuff that's really boosting 35:33 All of that stuff that's really boosting 35:33 All of that stuff that's really boosting the immune system and that's how you get 35:35 the immune system and that's how you get 35:35 the immune system and that's how you get out of being the reactive person, the 35:37 out of being the reactive person, the 35:37 out of being the reactive person, the mold canary who uh you can't even, you 35:40 mold canary who uh you can't even, you 35:40 mold canary who uh you can't even, you know, go to a restaurant that has even a 35:41 know, go to a restaurant that has even a 35:41 know, go to a restaurant that has even a whiff of a little mildew from their 35:43 whiff of a little mildew from their 35:43 whiff of a little mildew from their dishwasher you're going to, you know, be 35:45 dishwasher you're going to, you know, be 35:45 dishwasher you're going to, you know, be in bed for a couple weeks. 35:46 in bed for a couple weeks. 35:46 in bed for a couple weeks. Um but I don't bring that in in the 35:48 Um but I don't bring that in in the 35:48 Um but I don't bring that in in the beginning because the body will be like, 35:50 beginning because the body will be like, 35:50 beginning because the body will be like, "Oh my gosh, mold and fungi are taking 35:52 "Oh my gosh, mold and fungi are taking 35:52 "Oh my gosh, mold and fungi are taking over. I'm going to give up." And we'll 35:55 over. I'm going to give up." And we'll 35:55 over. I'm going to give up." And we'll see more neurological problems, more 35:57 see more neurological problems, more 35:57 see more neurological problems, more mental health problems, 35:59 mental health problems, 35:59 mental health problems, more bloating, more GI disruption, that 36:01 more bloating, more GI disruption, that 36:01 more bloating, more GI disruption, that kind of thing. So, I keep them out for a 36:02 kind of thing. So, I keep them out for a 36:02 kind of thing. So, I keep them out for a little while. 36:03 little while. 36:04 little while. Get them going on the plan into 36:05 Get them going on the plan into 36:05 Get them going on the plan into antifungals and bring in those really 36:07 antifungals and bring in those really 36:07 antifungals and bring in those really smart mushrooms. And that's how we get 36:09 smart mushrooms. And that's how we get 36:09 smart mushrooms. And that's how we get them out. That's the exit strategy. 36:13 them out. That's the exit strategy. 36:13 them out. That's the exit strategy. >> Thanks for that. That's really 36:14 >> Thanks for that. That's really 36:14 >> Thanks for that. That's really important. I get that question a lot, 36:16 important. I get that question a lot, 36:16 important. I get that question a lot, actually. Can I eat mushrooms if I have 36:20 actually. Can I eat mushrooms if I have 36:20 actually. Can I eat mushrooms if I have mold illness? So, you're saying that 36:22 mold illness? So, you're saying that 36:22 mold illness? So, you're saying that later 36:24 later 36:24 later the medicinal mushrooms and what about 36:26 the medicinal mushrooms and what about 36:26 the medicinal mushrooms and what about like regular mushrooms, like consuming 36:28 like regular mushrooms, like consuming 36:28 like regular mushrooms, like consuming them in the diet? 36:29 them in the diet? 36:29 them in the diet? >> Sure. Yeah, once they're better. I mean, 36:31 >> Sure. Yeah, once they're better. I mean, 36:31 >> Sure. Yeah, once they're better. I mean, I 36:32 I 36:32 I I and I know you do it all the time. I 36:34 I and I know you do it all the time. I 36:34 I and I know you do it all the time. I see people get all the way better and 36:36 see people get all the way better and 36:36 see people get all the way better and they just get their life back, you know? 36:37 they just get their life back, you know? 36:37 they just get their life back, you know? And then that includes getting all their 36:39 And then that includes getting all their 36:39 And then that includes getting all their foods back and not being salicylate 36:41 foods back and not being salicylate 36:41 foods back and not being salicylate sensitive and oxalate and blah blah 36:43 sensitive and oxalate and blah blah 36:43 sensitive and oxalate and blah blah blah, you know? 36:44 blah, you know? 36:44 blah, you know? >> Yes. 36:44 >> Yes. 36:44 >> Yes. >> Like that's the whole goal here. And if 36:46 >> Like that's the whole goal here. And if 36:46 >> Like that's the whole goal here. And if you're not getting that kind of 36:48 you're not getting that kind of 36:48 you're not getting that kind of progress, really review your protocol 36:51 progress, really review your protocol 36:51 progress, really review your protocol and your home. 36:52 and your home. 36:52 and your home. Because people do get 100% better from 36:55 Because people do get 100% better from 36:55 Because people do get 100% better from this. 36:56 this. 36:56 this. Now, have they Are there situations 36:58 Now, have they Are there situations 36:58 Now, have they Are there situations where another condition has taken over? 37:01 where another condition has taken over? 37:01 where another condition has taken over? Like an MS or like a, you know? Yes, and 37:05 Like an MS or like a, you know? Yes, and 37:05 Like an MS or like a, you know? Yes, and that's a whole other thing we need to go 37:06 that's a whole other thing we need to go 37:06 that's a whole other thing we need to go and chase that boulder and bring it 37:07 and chase that boulder and bring it 37:08 and chase that boulder and bring it back. But people can get better from 37:10 back. But people can get better from 37:10 back. But people can get better from mold. It's the That's I guess another 37:12 mold. It's the That's I guess another 37:12 mold. It's the That's I guess another social media thing I see is 37:15 social media thing I see is 37:15 social media thing I see is the story that you never get better, 37:17 the story that you never get better, 37:17 the story that you never get better, remediations don't work. False, false, 37:19 remediations don't work. False, false, 37:19 remediations don't work. False, false, false, false, false. A good remediation 37:22 false, false, false. A good remediation 37:22 false, false, false. A good remediation cleans up that house and you have a 37:23 cleans up that house and you have a 37:23 cleans up that house and you have a healthy home. 37:25 healthy home. 37:25 healthy home. There are a lot of remediations that 37:26 There are a lot of remediations that 37:26 There are a lot of remediations that need to be redone. 37:28 need to be redone. 37:28 need to be redone. Um I think you know from from the class, 37:30 Um I think you know from from the class, 37:30 Um I think you know from from the class, my tip is always if you are going to 37:32 my tip is always if you are going to 37:32 my tip is always if you are going to have to do a remediation, 37:34 have to do a remediation, 37:34 have to do a remediation, they will give you too short of a time 37:36 they will give you too short of a time 37:36 they will give you too short of a time estimate, always. Because they're under 37:39 estimate, always. Because they're under 37:39 estimate, always. Because they're under pressure to not give you a big bill. 37:41 pressure to not give you a big bill. 37:41 pressure to not give you a big bill. Otherwise, you may not hire them. You 37:43 Otherwise, you may not hire them. You 37:43 Otherwise, you may not hire them. You might hire someone else. 37:45 might hire someone else. 37:45 might hire someone else. So then, 37:46 So then, 37:46 So then, pick your team that you're going to hire 37:48 pick your team that you're going to hire 37:48 pick your team that you're going to hire and add an extra day. 37:50 and add an extra day. 37:50 and add an extra day. Because they will always find more. And 37:52 Because they will always find more. And 37:52 Because they will always find more. And if the team is trying to crunch in the 37:54 if the team is trying to crunch in the 37:54 if the team is trying to crunch in the whole remediation in the time that the 37:56 whole remediation in the time that the 37:56 whole remediation in the time that the boss, the money people said, 37:59 boss, the money people said, 37:59 boss, the money people said, they're going to cut corners. 38:01 they're going to cut corners. 38:01 they're going to cut corners. And that's where remediations fail. 38:04 And that's where remediations fail. 38:04 And that's where remediations fail. >> Absolutely. Yeah, I asked a remediator I 38:07 >> Absolutely. Yeah, I asked a remediator I 38:07 >> Absolutely. Yeah, I asked a remediator I know how long some of these jobs take 38:10 know how long some of these jobs take 38:10 know how long some of these jobs take cuz, you know, when you see these little 38:11 cuz, you know, when you see these little 38:11 cuz, you know, when you see these little clips on on the video, it's, you know, 38:14 clips on on the video, it's, you know, 38:14 clips on on the video, it's, you know, it looks intense. And he said can be 38:16 it looks intense. And he said can be 38:16 it looks intense. And he said can be weeks, you know? So, depends on the 38:20 weeks, you know? So, depends on the 38:20 weeks, you know? So, depends on the degree of the issue and how much they 38:21 degree of the issue and how much they 38:22 degree of the issue and how much they have to do, and then when they 38:24 have to do, and then when they 38:24 have to do, and then when they possibly uncover more than they have to 38:25 possibly uncover more than they have to 38:26 possibly uncover more than they have to do. 38:27 do. 38:27 do. >> Yeah, and you can get sick if they have 38:29 >> Yeah, and you can get sick if they have 38:29 >> Yeah, and you can get sick if they have to remove all of the containment because 38:32 to remove all of the containment because 38:32 to remove all of the containment because they need to use it for the next job. 38:34 they need to use it for the next job. 38:34 they need to use it for the next job. So, you know, 38:36 So, you know, 38:36 So, you know, we want to make sure that you're setting 38:37 we want to make sure that you're setting 38:37 we want to make sure that you're setting yourself up for success. 38:39 yourself up for success. 38:39 yourself up for success. Um so, yeah, and so that's the 38:41 Um so, yeah, and so that's the 38:41 Um so, yeah, and so that's the remediation don't work. Yes, they do 38:43 remediation don't work. Yes, they do 38:43 remediation don't work. Yes, they do when they're done right. You just need 38:44 when they're done right. You just need 38:44 when they're done right. You just need to set it up for success. 38:46 to set it up for success. 38:46 to set it up for success. And the second thing is, you know, you 38:48 And the second thing is, you know, you 38:48 And the second thing is, you know, you never get better from mold. Dolls, you 38:50 never get better from mold. Dolls, you 38:50 never get better from mold. Dolls, you know, people can get their bodies back 38:52 know, people can get their bodies back 38:52 know, people can get their bodies back and you get 38:53 and you get 38:53 and you get you get your life back. You know. 38:56 you get your life back. You know. 38:56 you get your life back. You know. >> So, Joe love to say healing is possible. 38:58 >> So, Joe love to say healing is possible. 38:58 >> So, Joe love to say healing is possible. >> Yeah. 38:59 >> Yeah. 38:59 >> Yeah. >> It's not Hope is not lost. 39:02 >> It's not Hope is not lost. 39:02 >> It's not Hope is not lost. >> Yeah. Yeah. 39:03 >> Yeah. Yeah. 39:03 >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, 39:05 >> So, 39:05 >> So, you've taught a lot of practitioners. 39:07 you've taught a lot of practitioners. 39:07 you've taught a lot of practitioners. What's one thing you wish that more 39:10 What's one thing you wish that more 39:10 What's one thing you wish that more practitioners understood about helping 39:12 practitioners understood about helping 39:12 practitioners understood about helping these patients recover? I know you have 39:15 these patients recover? I know you have 39:15 these patients recover? I know you have a whole course on it, but what's one 39:16 a whole course on it, but what's one 39:16 a whole course on it, but what's one thing? 39:17 thing? 39:18 thing? >> Uh make sure that nature is part of the 39:21 >> Uh make sure that nature is part of the 39:21 >> Uh make sure that nature is part of the recommendation. I think that this is a 39:23 recommendation. I think that this is a 39:23 recommendation. I think that this is a big piece of 39:26 big piece of 39:26 big piece of we're just not like you read in the bio, 39:28 we're just not like you read in the bio, 39:28 we're just not like you read in the bio, I'm all about healing the earth through 39:30 I'm all about healing the earth through 39:30 I'm all about healing the earth through healing the inhabitants. And if we're 39:31 healing the inhabitants. And if we're 39:31 healing the inhabitants. And if we're not connected to our earth, 39:34 not connected to our earth, 39:34 not connected to our earth, that's what's building our bones, that's 39:36 that's what's building our bones, that's 39:36 that's what's building our bones, that's what's building our muscles, that's 39:37 what's building our muscles, that's 39:37 what's building our muscles, that's where we get our nourishment. The sun is 39:40 where we get our nourishment. The sun is 39:40 where we get our nourishment. The sun is important, the wind is important, the 39:41 important, the wind is important, the 39:41 important, the wind is important, the earth is important, you know, being in 39:43 earth is important, you know, being in 39:43 earth is important, you know, being in touch and getting outside, I think is 39:46 touch and getting outside, I think is 39:46 touch and getting outside, I think is not ever put on a prescription pad. It 39:48 not ever put on a prescription pad. It 39:48 not ever put on a prescription pad. It is for my bad. But, you know, that's a 39:51 is for my bad. But, you know, that's a 39:51 is for my bad. But, you know, that's a really important part to get people 39:53 really important part to get people 39:53 really important part to get people moving and get them outdoors and 39:55 moving and get them outdoors and 39:55 moving and get them outdoors and connecting with the nature they belong 39:57 connecting with the nature they belong 39:57 connecting with the nature they belong to. 39:58 to. 39:58 to. >> Absolutely. Don't give mold a stagnation 40:01 >> Absolutely. Don't give mold a stagnation 40:01 >> Absolutely. Don't give mold a stagnation that it wants. 40:02 that it wants. 40:02 that it wants. >> No. 40:03 >> No. 40:03 >> No. >> Mold loves stagnation. Don't give it 40:04 >> Mold loves stagnation. Don't give it 40:05 >> Mold loves stagnation. Don't give it what it wants. Get outside. Do some 40:06 what it wants. Get outside. Do some 40:06 what it wants. Get outside. Do some grounding. 40:08 grounding. 40:08 grounding. >> Yes. 40:08 >> Yes. 40:08 >> Yes. >> Yes. Absorb the earth's free electrons. 40:11 >> Yes. Absorb the earth's free electrons. 40:11 >> Yes. Absorb the earth's free electrons. >> Yes. And I know a lot of people are 40:13 >> Yes. And I know a lot of people are 40:13 >> Yes. And I know a lot of people are like, "Yeah, but I'm bed-bound." Or 40:15 like, "Yeah, but I'm bed-bound." Or 40:15 like, "Yeah, but I'm bed-bound." Or yeah, but I'm you know, I get so 40:17 yeah, but I'm you know, I get so 40:17 yeah, but I'm you know, I get so fatigued and it's like do do what you 40:19 fatigued and it's like do do what you 40:19 fatigued and it's like do do what you can, you know, that's 40:21 can, you know, that's 40:21 can, you know, that's it's really important, but it's got to 40:23 it's really important, but it's got to 40:23 it's really important, but it's got to be part this is we evolved in communion 40:26 be part this is we evolved in communion 40:26 be part this is we evolved in communion with 40:27 with 40:27 with our planet, you know, in communion with 40:29 our planet, you know, in communion with 40:29 our planet, you know, in communion with nature 40:30 nature 40:30 nature and we're just so separated from it 40:33 and we're just so separated from it 40:33 and we're just so separated from it that there there are healing things that 40:36 that there there are healing things that 40:36 that there there are healing things that have nothing to do something you put in 40:37 have nothing to do something you put in 40:37 have nothing to do something you put in your mouth that are available outside. 40:40 your mouth that are available outside. 40:40 your mouth that are available outside. >> Yes, yes, I live by the beach and yeah, 40:44 >> Yes, yes, I live by the beach and yeah, 40:44 >> Yes, yes, I live by the beach and yeah, we we go there as much as possible. It's 40:46 we we go there as much as possible. It's 40:47 we we go there as much as possible. It's amazing. 40:48 amazing. 40:48 amazing. So in the forest is so healing also. 40:51 So in the forest is so healing also. 40:51 So in the forest is so healing also. >> Mhm, just anywhere. 40:53 >> Mhm, just anywhere. 40:53 >> Mhm, just anywhere. Forest, desert, like nature, nature, 40:55 Forest, desert, like nature, nature, 40:55 Forest, desert, like nature, nature, nature. 40:56 nature. 40:56 nature. >> Yes, love it. 40:59 >> Yes, love it. 40:59 >> Yes, love it. So you've contributed to this field in 41:01 So you've contributed to this field in 41:01 So you've contributed to this field in so many ways over the years, clinical 41:03 so many ways over the years, clinical 41:03 so many ways over the years, clinical work, education, mentorship. What areas 41:06 work, education, mentorship. What areas 41:06 work, education, mentorship. What areas are you most excited about or focus on 41:09 are you most excited about or focus on 41:09 are you most excited about or focus on right now or any new directions? 41:13 right now or any new directions? 41:13 right now or any new directions? >> Um well, you probably maybe people don't 41:16 >> Um well, you probably maybe people don't 41:16 >> Um well, you probably maybe people don't know, but I've been working with long 41:18 know, but I've been working with long 41:18 know, but I've been working with long haulers and making connections between 41:21 haulers and making connections between 41:21 haulers and making connections between the the virus and the things that were 41:23 the the virus and the things that were 41:23 the the virus and the things that were done to it and making connections with 41:25 done to it and making connections with 41:25 done to it and making connections with 10 separate conditions that I'm now 41:27 10 separate conditions that I'm now 41:27 10 separate conditions that I'm now calling the decade. 41:29 calling the decade. 41:29 calling the decade. Um so I'll be trying to do some 41:31 Um so I'll be trying to do some 41:31 Um so I'll be trying to do some education about that just maybe a public 41:33 education about that just maybe a public 41:33 education about that just maybe a public course 41:35 course 41:35 course on how to manage that, um how to test 41:38 on how to manage that, um how to test 41:38 on how to manage that, um how to test for spike protein, how to 41:41 for spike protein, how to 41:41 for spike protein, how to you know, get it out of your body and 41:42 you know, get it out of your body and 41:42 you know, get it out of your body and that kind of thing with founded in, you 41:44 that kind of thing with founded in, you 41:44 that kind of thing with founded in, you know, good 41:46 know, good 41:46 know, good good pharmacokinetics. So good um not 41:49 good pharmacokinetics. So good um not 41:49 good pharmacokinetics. So good um not just like, oh, I've heard this was 41:50 just like, oh, I've heard this was 41:50 just like, oh, I've heard this was really good for that, you know, it's 41:51 really good for that, you know, it's 41:51 really good for that, you know, it's needs to be done safely. 41:53 needs to be done safely. 41:53 needs to be done safely. And then as we just talked about, I'm 41:55 And then as we just talked about, I'm 41:55 And then as we just talked about, I'm I'm excited about bringing in the more 41:57 I'm excited about bringing in the more 41:57 I'm excited about bringing in the more energy medicine part, the the other 41:59 energy medicine part, the the other 41:59 energy medicine part, the the other stuff that I do 42:01 stuff that I do 42:01 stuff that I do um and helping people really heal. So I 42:05 um and helping people really heal. So I 42:05 um and helping people really heal. So I have another book coming out this fall. 42:07 have another book coming out this fall. 42:07 have another book coming out this fall. Working title is how to really heal. And 42:10 Working title is how to really heal. And 42:10 Working title is how to really heal. And because I get the question of like, 42:12 because I get the question of like, 42:12 because I get the question of like, okay, what in my head, you know, what's 42:15 okay, what in my head, you know, what's 42:15 okay, what in my head, you know, what's the difference between this person who 42:17 the difference between this person who 42:17 the difference between this person who had this this condition 42:20 had this this condition 42:20 had this this condition and you know, two people have the exact 42:21 and you know, two people have the exact 42:21 and you know, two people have the exact same condition, exact same treatment 42:23 same condition, exact same treatment 42:23 same condition, exact same treatment protocols, same causes, 42:26 protocols, same causes, 42:26 protocols, same causes, one gets better, one doesn't. What's the 42:27 one gets better, one doesn't. What's the 42:28 one gets better, one doesn't. What's the difference there? And a lot of times it 42:30 difference there? And a lot of times it 42:30 difference there? And a lot of times it is the how they're approaching healing 42:33 is the how they're approaching healing 42:33 is the how they're approaching healing part, not the what they're doing. 42:35 part, not the what they're doing. 42:35 part, not the what they're doing. And I would really love to equip people 42:38 And I would really love to equip people 42:38 And I would really love to equip people with those 42:40 with those 42:40 with those little magic secrets because how to 42:42 little magic secrets because how to 42:42 little magic secrets because how to really heal is the how part. It's not 42:45 really heal is the how part. It's not 42:45 really heal is the how part. It's not the 42:46 the 42:46 the what, when, what's the dose, what's the 42:48 what, when, what's the dose, what's the 42:48 what, when, what's the dose, what's the order, you know. 42:49 order, you know. 42:49 order, you know. That's all important, very important to 42:51 That's all important, very important to 42:51 That's all important, very important to get the 42:53 get the 42:53 get the the tools, but then how do you apply 42:55 the tools, but then how do you apply 42:55 the tools, but then how do you apply that tool 42:57 that tool 42:57 that tool makes the difference. 42:59 makes the difference. 43:00 makes the difference. Yeah. 43:00 Yeah. 43:00 Yeah. >> That is so powerful. That's really 43:02 >> That is so powerful. That's really 43:02 >> That is so powerful. That's really exciting. Thanks for sharing that with 43:04 exciting. Thanks for sharing that with 43:04 exciting. Thanks for sharing that with us. 43:05 us. 43:05 us. So 43:06 So 43:06 So >> I was going to say. 43:13 >> Thanks. I'm so excited. Amazing, amazing 43:13 >> Thanks. I'm so excited. Amazing, amazing exclusive announcement from Dr. Jill. Oh 43:16 exclusive announcement from Dr. Jill. Oh 43:16 exclusive announcement from Dr. Jill. Oh my goodness. 43:18 my goodness. 43:18 my goodness. >> Amazing. Well, Dr. Jill, this has been 43:20 >> Amazing. Well, Dr. Jill, this has been 43:20 >> Amazing. Well, Dr. Jill, this has been so wonderful to get all these insights 43:24 so wonderful to get all these insights 43:24 so wonderful to get all these insights and hear about your new directions. 43:26 and hear about your new directions. 43:26 and hear about your new directions. Thanks again for joining me today. 43:28 Thanks again for joining me today. 43:28 Thanks again for joining me today. >> Yeah, thank you too for all your 43:30 >> Yeah, thank you too for all your 43:30 >> Yeah, thank you too for all your contributions in your books. It's really 43:32 contributions in your books. It's really 43:32 contributions in your books. It's really really important that people have all 43:33 really important that people have all 43:34 really important that people have all these resources. So, yeah, I honor you 43:36 these resources. So, yeah, I honor you 43:36 these resources. So, yeah, I honor you with that. 43:37 with that. 43:37 with that. >> Thanks. 43:39 >> Thanks. 43:39 >> Thanks. All right. Well, this has been the Detox 43:40 All right. Well, this has been the Detox 43:41 All right. Well, this has been the Detox Docks report. Thanks for joining me and 43:42 Docks report. Thanks for joining me and 43:42 Docks report. Thanks for joining me and I'll see you in the next episode.
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