The Etheric Body – A Space Of Possibility

Introduction to Bobby Vogel 0:00

- Our next guest is someone very special to me. I'm really excited to bring her back. We had her on our first summit and she was so amazing, I wanted to bring her back again. Her name is Bobby Vogel and she is a clairvoyant healer. She is the founder of the Center for theoretic Medicine and we were just talking about all the amazing work that she's been doing and I said hey bobby, hold on, let's save this for our interview. But she's a clairvoyant healer who actually is working with doctors like Dr. Zach Bush, very famous doctor Dr. Christine Schaffner and and so she's merging M. D. S and the medicine they practice with the amazing spiritual work that she does through energy healing.

And I am just so excited Bobby to have you back. Good to see you again. - It's so good to see you. - Yeah, yeah, so you've been doing a lot since we've last talked, there's a lot of exciting things happening. But let's go back to just how you got this gift of being a clairvoyant healer. How did that come into your life? And I know it's probably a longer story, maybe the shorter version. - Yeah, the just is right, well, it's incredible to know we all have our own unique gifts. Right? And so in hindsight and realizing as a medic, I was a paramedic, I was using my gifts as a realtor, using my gifts to connect souls of homes to people, but it wasn't until I was the top producing realtor in the bay area and I moved to venice beach. Long story short, The bottom fell out. Everything I did didn't work.

Uh, my son was going through a lot of things and one thing led to another and I, I lost my car, I had to put my car in the parking lot in, in Venice beach and ross, um ross and walked home to a share of sticker on the door

Rock Bottom and Spiritual Awakening 2:06

of the apartment and you know where I come from like owning homes instead of the variants being in this apartment and then having no family. I wasn't able. My, my son adopted son has a lot of high needs behavioral. He was in a care facility and they kicked him out of that facility. Like this all happened like within a few months and I was terrified. You know, I don't, my parents are on the other side, don't have family and the things and I, you know, people used to call me midas in the bay area and for some reason, nothing that for some reason, right? This is before I knew all the reasons, you know. But for me, I was like, what is happening?

Uh, nothing I'm doing works anymore. Got down to having no food, no money, no nothing. And I had a suicide plan and I'd say my, my son's meds and things like that. And One day it was a Wednesday I got my son to school for like an hour that he'd be allowed to be there and I began having a pillow fight with God and I really I understand now this is like a near death experience, my version and I was booger crying and you know, I hadn't talked to God since my dad died right when I was 20. Yeah. Just having a pillow by screaming God Fn help me. What did I do?

That's so bad, so wrong that I have to be in this experience, because I've been on my own pretty much my whole life and tired, you know? And this was just like, oh, what else? You know? And and I said, look, I'm gonna hit the reset button and come back on monday, this is not. And I'm like, I know there's no time in your realm, sir, you know? But this Wednesday, I'm I'm planning on monday unless you give me a really big sign. And and and when and when I said that and I said, help me, what is going on, I heard for the first time very clearly, you still have healing to do.

And I answered out loud in hindsight, I now know as my higher self because I had this clarity when I heard my mouth saying it, it was like this higher understanding. I was like, well what is it that I said I would do, what is it that I said I would heal? I just don't know what it is. I'm not trying to renege on it and I literally said those words and I understood that there was something that I wasn't doing, you know, or that I wasn't clear on or whatever in my survival mode. And when I asked that question and I understood that I was being heard is sort of when faith was like, oh my God, I'm not alone, even though in this illusion of the physical world, right, I can say that I am, but I'm really not.

And and launch resort asked for a big sign like, cause I'm too tired for subtleties and the sign came, you know, on not till sunday. So one day away and you know, I didn't go to as you heard that story, never had heard of it. Somebody mentioned it on saturday. And when I went there literally like in the clothes, I slept in um messy hair the whole thing, I began sobbing because I know now you just like, Michael Beckwith was channeling my parents and God and to this day, I wonder like I wish I had the date of that talk because I still wonder was he really saying those things like to everyone or was did spirit infused that message and his voice because I also, that's a possibility it happens all the time. Either way, I heard I got so much clarity and love, like I felt enormous love that I had never felt in my life. And I say that's when faith was born because I asked and I received and it's the same for all of us, you know, asking and receiving, which takes courage and humility.

And so I was in that place that had to be stripped of everything right to built this step into this faith because today and my work was always coming, you know, doing this, always the plan. I didn't think that then, you know, I say I didn't leave there and buy spiritual pants and beads and hang a psychic, you know, plaque, right. I became so devout to my own journey and why I came here and that all of the things that had come before that moment started unraveling and purpose to me and every heart, you know, it became clear, you know, like, oh my gosh, I was so great at being a medic because I was 10 steps ahead of what was going to happen or all these other things, but it was the healing was for me and I be and and I just continued, I did get evicted but I walked up and down the beach in venice every day with a notebook, my blanket and my old chihuahua and would pray and just ask God guide me. God guide me, God nondenominational right and beautiful things happens when I'm covered with birds, birds, you know, it sounds crazy, but it's the truth and it literally saved my life and and led me to um, you know, a couple of years in and my life changed and I, you know, did more than come up and out of homelessness.

And I, you know, was flipping houses with this wonderful partner in Bennett's speech and not having the notion that my soul, right, that I signed up to do this work. It wasn't until, you know, I took the Akashic records with Linda Howe, who I had known in Chicago. And for me, the first time I opened my records, I was like, oh, this, this is how I've

Understanding the Etheric Body 9:00

always been communicated with. I just didn't understand it. And then I Started doing work with people in my garage for $50 or whatever it was and I was still a realtor. I never, you know, and then the gifts started, the teachings, the spirit teachings became too incredible around the teaching that, you know, we have the Etheredge body and and being able to re witness people's trauma in a movie or a picture and see it embedded in the density being called illness. - Yeah. Hey, bobby, I want, I want a couple of questions I wanna ask you, first of all, I want to just point out like your journey is amazing and everybody or many people that are watching this right now, they've had their own journeys where it's been unpleasant, right? They've had a chronic illness or something like that going on. They've had heartbreak.

They've had financial uh challenges and the important thing that, that, you know, I always think about, you know, as I've had my share of those things to write. But is life is always working in your favor? Like when all that was happening to you, it was just nudging maybe sometimes shoving you in the direction that you needed to be going in. And it was really unpleasant because we're all addicted to just staying on the path that we're already on. But one of the things I think that's important for healing, I know you help people with is the person that you were that has this disease or this illness, that's not the that's not the version of you that can heal, you know, truly heal.

Like you have to transform and I know a lot of your work is about that. And the other thing that you just started to get into and I want you to talk to people about it a little bit more is the etheric body because I know that you believe that illness doesn't start in our physical body. It starts in the atmospheric body and then shows up in the physical body. So, can you talk to people about that a little bit, because that's really an important distinction that I love that you make. - Yeah. Yes. And I learned that back in that garage of mine in Long Beach because I, you know this it brings that point about I asked still in my own healing again, I wasn't, you know, focusing on how can I serve other people yet because I was trying, I was healing my own life and self which is vital for everybody get into that more because it's sort of crazy what's happening right now, but when it started becoming evident that I was to work, you know, serve other people with these gifts, I I asked, I went in my sanctuary, my garage and I said, hey guys, you know God and my peeps my guys, I said, am I in the right body to serve and because you know this is just the truth, I don't talk much about it and quote, but like I grew, I was born a town boy, like I've been riding motorcycles and that and I, you know every sport, every everything. I was the only girl with seven firefighters in Chicago, you know, just always right. And so I had never really identified and I didn't realize it was being with like girl power or power, you know, I was sort of and I was like, am I because I really, I really just was humbled by the thought of being in service at this level.

I was like me, like one you saw all that stuff that happened, are you sure you don't talk about your foster right syndrome. And then and God literally said stand up and it was dark and my candles lit and I stood up and this is the moment and this is on my website, but there was a funnel of light and I had my eyes closed. But I could see myself in front of me and a funnel of light and God went into the funnel and the light started coming light and this is before I knew about this theory where they were like being, because this was a huge teaching and healing, because I had asked the question in the right body and so and I heard and then I started breathing in and every time I pulled in the light came down a little bit more.

God said, Light is everywhere and it's free, but it's your responsibility to pull it in, which is true for all of us because we're and I was taught long story short, I pulled it in and I was clearing doing you know this and then and then God said, open your eyes when I got to about here and I did and this is not the goal for people, but for me, because my practice was always going to be called in the medicine, I could see this light body and I was like wow! And then I was shown you take your light body hand because I could see stagnation in density and I could hear and see vibrational e my thoughts and so the guys like the goal is not to replicate that moment, but it's just to know that's where faith comes in right faith, divinely guided like beings all of us.

So we just go into clearing the Etheredge body our light body and when I understood and saw density being moved and the power of that as a light being. My practice progressed from there and the teachings progressed from that place. And I was taught within like a day somebody showed up that That is the experience of that had to happen first for me to understand what was happening. When this woman came in with level 10 plus, pain came into my living room because I was still and no doctors young woman and she had level 10 paying for nine years at that time from her first film, not every time she went to the bathroom without fail and she came to me just defeated and doctors were gonna cut her bladder out and I was like guys really, you know, like how do I help her? Right. And that's when I understood that a theory and I was taught that a theory car theory, body comes first. Our soul comes in with the body and it holds the vibration and literally tells the story for me to the store for everyone, but it tells the story of every lifetime we've ever lived.

Everyone healed vibrating. Here we come in, right? But and then we accumulate more in our current like fireman everything. And so that's when I was flanked that day by spirit doctors and watched the movie of like sexual trauma and things for this woman and then her grandmother on the other side came through and I saw the I saw that trauma residing in this light body and watched its duplication for the sake of the spirit teaching watched it duplicate into her bladder but it wasn't detectable with any scams. Then of course we have a lot of different how phenomenal biomedical bobby, the theorist body. How do you define that?

What just so people understand what you're talking about. It's for me. So I called the space of possibility right? It's our light body that came first and our physical body is the hologram of etheric body and many people think it's the other way around. - The body is creating the physical body cause everything is just energy. So it's this vibration light body that that we have that then creates the physical body and manifest goodness but also can manifest illness in the physical body. - Right? Right.

And is light and that's how you know how we heal is sort of is facing or or or being curious at least curious about like with compassion right? Like well what well how do what do I need? You know and it's such an inward journey that and nobody can tell you there's no thing outside of yourself that can help with

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that piece of it because it's not supposed to be this beautiful journey of the soul with our humanity and it's really beautiful and so powerful to know right? That's so we try to heal our physical first and of course there's strides and you know, like this, but what does not that doesn't heal the lyrics. So when we heal the lyric first, it begins creating the environment for that, the healing and release of the, of the physical illness and disease. - And it's true healing because, you know, when somebody let's say someone has a cancerous tumor and it's cut out, but the etheric body that's not necessarily healed by doing that, that's why sometimes it'll come back, right, because the issue was not that tumor, that was the the effect the cause was in the with with what you're talking about was in the ethereal body. Yeah, very, very cool.

That's so important for people remember, because I think they look at themselves as like a science project, you know, just fix this, fix that and they're not really getting to the root cause of shifting this Etheredge body, which then shifts really who they are and now they don't need that illness anymore. So, so beautiful. What you're doing? One of the things I love to bobby is what you talked about, we're bringing light in. You teach people that exercise. I know you've got a video. Um can you just explain that a little bit more?

Because that's a great self healing technique that people can start using from you right away. - Yeah, sure. It's and it's on my site and also, what's your site bobby, What's your site? Eric medicine dot com lyric medicine dot com. Everybody go to theory medicine dot com. Yeah. So there'll be a course available on there and everything. But so it's in that teaching, what happened is I pulled the God masculine energy, which is vulnerable and beautiful all the way through. As I was being instructed, it was almost like watching like God do it because that's how I learned.

I just was paying attention to what I was being shown and speaking so much love and kindness to myself to my heart. Right, gratitude. And I brought the God energy, masculine energy to my belly button. Then I was instructed to pull the feminine earth energy in the same way, Breathing in for seven in polling. You imagine pulling the light. You intend it? That's because our intentions are the most powerful thing. You know, it's so powerful because we are so powerful as like beings right? It doesn't have to make sense in the physical world. I promise.

It won't because the minute it's it makes sense to our human mind, we know it's limited because our limited human - That's so important to yeah, you've got to be healing and the non physical, right? I mean, the physical is important, but it's the effect. Right? So this is such great giving people such great advice day. I love it. - Yeah, yeah. That's why I say healings in the medicine we cannot see because that's right and that takes faith and that takes you know all the things. But so I pulled then the earth feminine energy up in the same way with my breath and when they met in the middle so the feminine came to meet the masculine and Lynn like when in this powerful way clock and then I was like wow, you know, like felt it and then my arms started going up on them and and this is the beautiful piece of it. So I asked am I in the right body and and at the time it was called earth sky, masculine feminine.

That's what the teaching was. That I thought was just me little old me my garage, right little did I know it's gonna be you know, a teaching for all of us and my my hands went like this and God said, open your eyes. So remember I had said I never felt like part of girl power. You know, I had all my friends of course being from san Francisco girl power and all these things. I was like, oh you know naked or whatever, but I never really understood it. That was a part of the healing for me because I didn't realize how painful that was.

I didn't really realize that I was missing out on. So when I opened my eyes I was holding hands with a circle of women and we're all in light kind of happening and our feet were off the ground and the circle was bigger than the world, like the world, right? So I couldn't see there. But I was like, wow. And it was so beautiful and healing and and then God came into the center and said when women and then we dropped our hands like all of us, it was phenomenal and our palms faced out and God said, when women understand and accept how powerful they are, you will know that you can part the seas with just your intention.

It was like my hair is standing then it was like your hair is still standing up. Yeah, actually standing. But that is something that I go

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back to the fundamental teaching because if at this time, no matter what you don't have to be suffering from what I call is the most layer density being called cancer. Like, like that is the most layered density because so many things happened before that level of density duplicated that. It's got to be a layered healing, right? It's like you went in this way, you got to come out this way. - So again, everyone listened to what you said, you know, it's a layered situation. So it's also a layered healing, which means there's different things that have to happen.

It's not bam and you're fixed. - Not a supplement, not, you know, although I've learned and but all supplements, we go back to that again, it's like as many phenomenal things that are out there, you know, stem cells and all these other things? It's still vital that you that you're treating whole body and in that layering and that you're paying attention to what you're, what is what your body is telling you like back, it's giving you because whether things are holistic or not, it doesn't mean that they're good for your body at that time, you know, things more and we're kind of getting off that subject.

But in that layer, healing our bodies are were light or energy bodies. So it's always moving. Things are always moving. You take a breath of oxygen for your physical and make it light for your theory, You're shifting. They're shifting and you can know that you just know that you have to just know it and accept it because it's not something you're going to see, but if you can be in collaboration with your body and be inward. - Yeah. - And let you know illness disease is meant to heal us. Yeah, it's not we're not meant to heal the disease. - Its really important distinction.

I love it, that you're just popping out golden ones, diseases meant to heal us really, really cool. - Yeah. And and so because what I'm seeing now rampant, right, I I do work a ton with cancer and travel to clinics and things as you know, but it's so important to understand that, like to stay inward with self and ask, what is this, what are you trying to show me? How is my life meant to change this by your communication with me that I have this level of density that I'm not paying attention to. And the problem is that there's so much out there right now that people are like they just said stop treating their illness or disease when the body needs because I commune with the body, you know, itself and each individual person I like to call like our organs are like a puppy pile as cute. I mean our because our bodies have the best intention. And so number one, getting on that page and knowing like, hey, your body is not doing anything against.

You don't go into like punishing it or trying to shove it out of illness by this or that or modality or whatever. It's like, no, it's like it's, you're supposed to flow and collaborate with kindness, right? And then move forward in that, knowing that, you know, that your body is ever changing and that bringing one thing into it at a time or maybe two things. And then wait, is that how does it shift anything for you? That it's because the body really is the one also that has experienced everything that we have and it's doing its best to, to try to organize our trio, everything we're doing to it, not to mention the environment and the news and the constant incoming into our space.

And and so it is. And, and so, you know, an epidemic I feel is my experience in the work that I'm doing out here is to think that an illness cancer or anything else or your child's illness, anything is somehow meant is like, oh, it's a sign for me to become a health coach or, or teach other people how to heal cancer or find relevance out there somewhere based on what's relevant right now right now. And it really is, if you, if I could describe what it looks like for me, it's like, it's a literal leaving of your body to go out here to manage an emotional wound, right? The emotional wound of needing something from out here and what you need is not out here. It's in here.

And so it sort of prolongs the experience of, you know, whether you're just, just, just uncomfortable or whether you have manifested, you know, duplicated, you know, into the physical body called the disease. It doesn't matter where you are on this spectrum. Yeah. But we all came in with stuff to heal. So it doesn't matter if. - Another great point yeah. You really, a lot of profound stuff here. I love, I love the way until you acted out like the body's like, whoa, it's like all this stuff coming at me, it's doing its best, but it's not healing. The, it's not going into the body, it's going into who we really are and and and making it a little easier for the body to exist within this by healing wounds, uh, you know, from past lives or, you know, current life, things like things like that.

Yeah, so cool. I know people are processing, wow, this is really profound stuff. Talk about you call them your peeps. Uh so, so you have helpers in your healing and they're not uh physical embodied souls, but talk about your peeps and you say we all have peeps, right? - Yeah, we can, you know, your guides. I call my Peeps just because, you know, that's what it felt like to me is for the first time I had like these people that were with and and they were, you know, helping as they all are and we all have them.

So because we're spirit in body, our guides and all and and and our loved ones are just spirit out of body, like that's literally the only distinction and they're not limited by the human mind. We are there not any physical. Yeah, there, you know, so, so and all answers are available from spirit thing in anything, whether it's illness, whether it's what jobs are doing, whether it's this, whether it's sad, it's like, but it's it's in the asking, you know, and then in the in the humbleness of our journey as human, right and that, but to remember that we are on this journey on behalf of our soul, right? And so this is really important in the now because if if you can find your way to that devotion that okay here I am and all. My only intention as is mine.

My only intention is to serve whatever purpose I already said I would where I incarnated. I've watched my own reincarnation as a teaching and then thousands of others. I only wish to do what I said, I would do hell what I said, I would heal and serve whatever purpose I said I would serve and when you can come into that space with you know, humility, that doesn't mean tiny nous. That means like holy cow, I signed up, my humanity is so courageous and there's so much pride and unconditional love available

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for us. But it takes a constant going back to understand that we we are limited. You just have to accept that, right? That that that's what spirit said to me months ago. You know, even the most profoundly brilliant human mind is still limited in the physical body, the physical body and so becoming devote devoted to that is also that's the beginning of a true healing journey. Whether that's healing the greatest density of all which is cancer or something you don't even or just your body and becoming devoted to that process and moving towards whatever purpose that what that is, we can choose a different.

You can make up your own, you know, of course you can't, but I know because I watch people when they cross that we're related on a soul level when we we cross over and we get to witness everything that we ever how we navigated through our life, our incarnation and that we found our way to purpose. But it's but it's easier than it seems. It's it's a guiding always do is ask if we are truly devoted to that to the thing that we already said we would do, then things become way easier. - Wow, okay, that's really cool. Yeah. So, so many people think they are their physical body and I think that's the biggest trap and you know, we all get into it because we are living partly in our physical body, right? So we we tend to identify with that.

It takes work to I call it, you know, to have one ft in the physical and one ft in the in the nonphysical right? You gotta keep reminding yourself, hey, this is this is not who I am. This is just the vehicle that I'm using as I go through this, you know, human existence. But uh yeah, so, so cool. So the body, the work you're doing now, you're doing all sorts of uh cool things for people. Obviously you're doing sessions and group sessions. You're working with even doctors and people can find out more about your work and even book an appointment with you or go through classes with you on a theory medicine dot com.

Is that right? Okay, awesome, awesome. Yeah. - And I'm creating currently by the time this airs um it'll be available, but I'm creating like criteria and ways to collaborate specifically for doctors. - Okay. And how did that come about Bobby where you started working with these doctors? Because I think it's so amazing. I think every doctor should have their own intuitive. He also side by side like what you're doing, but how did that come about? - Well, so I was connect this is Christine. My friend Aaron met her at a conference um was I believe and she just was like, oh my God, you have to meet my friend bobby because Christine, you know, is very biomedicine and you know, natural path, brilliant, wonderful.

And so we connected and then she um when she first, we did a session and we were, there was something else going on for her that wasn't medical and we did a session on that and it was profound. And then she learned maybe within that week that she had a brain tumor and I was in France like I was on a plane to France when she texted me and was like, you know, blah blah blah. And because the the the brilliant thing is some people might think, well why didn't that come up in your first session and it's it's really cool to understand an important because I call this medicine spirit sponsored medicine because spirit and your guides and your body and your soul have a unique agenda for your healing and what comes first is not for me to decipher. I listen and I'm taught and shown what to do when to do it. And so these things come through in layers in divine timing. And so for her, we met a week before this and and then when I came back from or during France, I was working with her and then we did this session and it was phenomenal because I didn't know anything about this.

Um, I can't remember the name of it. Um it is on her pituitary, her pituitary. So she didn't tell me anything about it. And then I was able to visualize it long story short, I didn't know how they were doing the surgery or anything, but as I said, there's an agenda. And I found myself reorganizing structurally vibrational e you know, reorganizing the architecture of bones moving the herick body. And I didn't ask, why are we doing this? Whatever. She just let me do it. And so we did all this work.

And then I was like, wait, spirits had asked her how they're doing the surgery, and I asked, and she said, oh, they're going up through my nostril. And I was like, oh, we had to rearrange the bones in your face to make that easy and this whole thing. Yeah, I did this a theory surgery basically the time and I pushed away is the only way I can describe first time to make it slimy this thing which we did, it took like two sessions and then in the second session I like if you imagine like pushing rock boulders, it's like we energetically pushed and made room because feared said it needs to come out in one piece.

And so I was telling her this out loud as a doctor and she was like, yes, that's really unheard of. But that would definitely be the goal like easy peasy. No, they're just gonna come out in one piece. So indeed it did. She went and had the surgery. It was exactly how scared said and all this stuff. But then we we made a plan for me to fly out to her clinic and I didn't know what that was gonna entail. You know, if I was gonna see patients with her just observed I was down for any of it because I think I'm you know, I think it's not and began, you know, immediately seeing when her patients would walk in.

Like whether they said it with their mouth, human mouth or not. I was able to see what the true priority of the body and you know, and as I was telling you this, this man had I could see a big got embolism there and that he had an inner ear infection. One of his teeth was not right and that his jaw was out, but he didn't talk about any of those but those were priorities for his overall wellness and then, you know, he indeed had a stroke and there's so many details in it. But Dr. Christine we realized we were just on this role where I do what I do, she does what she does and they dove tails like this. It was phenomenal because she she happens, she's very in tune herself and everything. But I just speak the way that I speak about what's going on and it's nominally that it's always lines up with the doctor medicine, right? So they know exactly what I'm talking about by my description. And then for her she could muscle test for what I was saying. It was dead on.

And then we were just g eking out for two days treating patients together. And I communed with the vials that hold the energy of both. The antagonist I guess is the way to see the discomfort disease and what will clear that quickly. And I just she's like do you want to see if you can commune with these and I'm locked up. But I just like Spirit was kind of point two things and we gave people this whole bodies of theory, body physical, body, you know, quantum and you just clear everything and it was unbelievable what is is happening for people when the medicine collaborated.

- That's awesome. And I love how you're helping to lead that too. That's so awesome, Bobbi. Listen, we could talk for hours and hours, have you back on our next summit too, but tell us one more time how people can get in touch with you and find out more about what you do and even work with you. ethericmedicine.com. All the information's on there, all my offerings and it'll be available um different ways to work with me. Doctors can figure out how to collaborate with me, how we can help people. Yeah, lots of cool stuff. - You're an amazing being, Bobbi. Love you and thank you so much for being with us again. Really great having you here.

- Thank you. It's fun.