The History, Present And Future Of Bioenergetics

Introduction to Bioenergetics 0:00

For. Hi, everybody. Doctor Greg Eckel and I have our founder, Harry Massie, here, and we're talking about the history of bioenergetics and the mapping of the human field. Welcome aboard. Harry. Thank you. Greg. I can't wait for this because it's all of the all of the history and, Yeah. So all the intricacies of where the body field came from, which is pretty fun. It is, you know, the whole component of the bio field and where we are going with medicine. You have been really at the forefront of discussions and even creating nets out of, on the bio field, you know, as a Chinese medicine practitioner, we learn on the meridians and qi and energy, but it's much bigger than that, isn't it?

It is, I mean, yes, I mean, to give it the historical context. So. So you just mentioned Chinese medicine. You probably know the name of the what was it called, the Emperor's Yellow Book or something. Oh, yeah. The Wang de naging. I just butchered that thing, but yes. There you go. There you go. I mean, that that was written 5000 years ago. So, I mean, energy medicine goes back a long, long, long way and we'll see, you know, then they were basically, you know, doing the really early maps of all the meridian systems.

And if I, if I have this right, they were basically, you know, putting little bamboo sticks on and then they were noticing where pain would refer. And, you know, I think that was the start of it. And then I'll see they started noticing the effects on organ systems. They started using it to to balance out the, the energy of the organ systems. And over time, well as as 5000 years ago, they mapped out the original meridian system. So so that was that was the start of it independently, but related,

Ancient Energy Medicine Traditions 1:50

just across the border in India, we also had the whole aromatic system. They took it, you know, slightly different directions where they had the naughties and the naughty points. They don't they don't actually quite correspond to the, to the acupuncture points. But it's another energy system. And they also have the like the chakra system as well. Different parallels. I guess in Japan they had they had Reiki in Europe. In Europe it's not so old actually. And that that they see that had homeopathy that started with we've had them in like 200, 220 years ago.

I think it was and that's, you know, a different form of energy medicine, but it's really a form of information medicine because the thing that they were basically recording the the information of very dilute substances in a substrate, basically a lactose, pills, now say, you know, 100, 150 years ago in Europe, in the States, they, they were calling it at the time like subtle energy or the ether, like the ether was a very popular, popular term. And then in came big oil being big thing, big oil, basically you had Rockefeller, which is known as the sort of oil or the like, or rather the robber barons.

And, you know, they wanted to turn well, they were looking for markets for oil or sea burning. It was fuels, one market. But the other market, the, Rockefeller realized, is the oil could be used to make chemicals and you'll see chemicals, plastics, all of these types of things. But they were also thinking, oh, we could make we could make drugs out of it. And so he set up like the first, he actually Rockefeller set up the AMA, which is, the medical association that still exists in the States. They set up the first university systems.

And when they did that, he went after all the ideas of subtle energy if, radiomics. Homeopathy, Chinese medicine, any ideas that would compete with the chemical system? They just. Well, honestly, they just crushed and they crushed extremely effectively were then became, you know, underground. And I think, you know, the other the other thing about the energy side, it's just a very practical thing. It's like, you know, from a scientific point of view, you can see a chemical and you can't see a field.

And you know, some, you know, you had the great. Right? So as biology was getting going, we had the rise of the, the micron was a microscope invented. And there was I think it was a few hundred years ago, but obviously they got better and better. And then the electron microscope, I think that was, made in the 70s. And we have all those things. You could see the chemicals, you could see that there are fat, you know, there are effects and cells, you could see DNA, etc.. So we just went down this whole very biochemical, Newtonian mechanical understanding of biology and the idea of physics.

Well, there was a huge profit motive to get rid of it, but also it was it was hard to see. I mean, because you can't really see fields. I mean, you can you can detect them with other devices. And then the that's the bit that's a bit more far out is the is the quantum, point of view. And, you know, Steinman, Feynman came up with it, you know, the, the QED field or the quantum electro dynamic field. And basically, you know, from a, from a, from a quantum point of views, but, you know, installing soul governing force of this sort, the field is the sole governing force of the particle, which is basically just saying, you know, the field keeps the particle in place, but this, this field, this quantum electrodynamics field, there isn't actually any direct way of measuring it like that.

It just and the reason there's no direct way of measuring it is because, simply because of the rules and the rules of quantum,

Suppression of Subtle Energy in Modern Medicine 6:00

it's actually connected to consciousness, it's connected to intention. And you can only, you know, that's, the double slit split experimental, this idea where, where you observe, where the electron is, that's actually where it appears. You know, if you're looking at it over here, it's here. If you look at it over here, it's it's here. And that that's horrible. I say that it's horrible, but you simply you. So there there is no direct way of measuring a QED field. There's no way, direct way of, measuring information.

There's just ways of, seeing its effects, you know, and that's where we get into the principles of, like, resonance. And that's why you know, sometimes people hate or love like people into quantum love, what we're doing, like with our scan. But it's an indirect way. And it's because of that. It's a relative system. It's not like you can tell, oh, you've got this much, you know, a chemical in your blood. It's just saying relatively today, this is what's this is what's coming out. So anyway, that's a little bit of, that's a little bit of sort of historical background.

That was an awesome timeline in, in a basically four minute phase. So I super appreciate that because, you know, there are so many different rabbit holes or let's say black holes that we could get into on that discussion, but that that is the lineage. And then, you know, we come up into what, the 90s with your interface and with Peter Frazier and, and bringing in different ways of measuring actually, you know, that is the thing with the bioenergetics is and when you start talking about physics and quantum physics, it's you cannot put your fingers on it.

You can't. Now, some people, and I'm sure some of our viewers can register it, can sense it. People, you know, Reiki healers, etc. there are, you know, on those subtle energy bodies, there are different appreciations of each of us, of those. And then we come up into kind of a Vega machine. You know, we're always trying to measure the field, right. Like that's the a component of what we're talking about. Yeah. And that basically, I mean, you know, the Vega came it really came out of the field of radiomics and pendulums, muscle testing.

So again, you know, if we go back to the subtle energy ether era, you know, was 120 years ago now, you know, people were using pendulums to like to ask questions. They're using, radiology devices and they literally just rubbing their fingers over a bit of plastic against, samples. But where there was extra friction, it's very similar to muscle testing. Really. Yeah. You know, they they would get, they would get a resonance and in, in Germany, I think was in the 60s came from the 70s, 80s and that, and it basically the Vega machine came out of Germany and they started making all of these little, vials of different samples.

So they would put in these different herbs, tissues, viruses, or whatever they wanted into a little vial. They'd have a machine where you would, basically have it like a little acupuncture, little acupuncture point. And there was this sort of they think it was an electron effect. It was actually a photon effect. And the reason I say it's a real curiosity,

Peter Fraser and the Origins of NES 9:20

but if you try and do it outside, it doesn't work, because, the photon doesn't reflect off a ceiling as really weird. Oh, interesting. It doesn't work on a dark day. It doesn't work on the dark day. You need, you need a lot of light, really odd little subtleties with it. But anyway, that anyway, that that machine came pretty popular. Peter, who's the founder of nest? Co-Founder nest? I was the other founder. I forget that night. Anyway, he bought some. He bought. He bought a vegan machine. And to give it some history, he before all of this, he was the first person to set up, an acupuncture college.

In the first acupuncture Association Australia. And he used to go go to China, study under the the Chinese masters and bring that information back and write it in English. Westernized. And then that, he was one of the first people, to basically together like a real curriculum and actually go around licensed acupuncture colleges in the States or elsewhere to, so he sort of pioneered how he didn't really pioneer a Chinese where somebody pointed it in the West, before the fall, the next year, another 25 years later, and, you know, and then he, he full of ego.

And then he basically started doing experiments to sort of see, like how much of the Chinese system, you know, was accurate or if he could, if he could further and or like the the long story short, is he basically furthered out, you know, if you say like the the meridian map was like the original map, he basically went a whole bunch deeper, deeper than that to see all the, you know, the deeper correlations. And, like he did evolve our theory, like genetics, etc., etc., etc.. So, you know, so that was pretty interesting.

And a little bit of his history. So once he'd been a Melbourne University for five years, became part of the university, but the other professors just wanted to like they hated the idea of Chee, etc., etc. so he just quit, left on the sort of pressure from the other professors, just went into private research. For the next 25 plus years, there's another ten of us, which makes 35. It's 25 for UMass. It and, you know, he had a few different phases in, in that period. One he ended up well, he was actually ended up with chronic fatigue syndrome for ten years and managed to and after that he started, to work with a whole bunch of different people.

There was a physicist from Paris, the head of the, it was the head of the oncology hospital in London, I think it was at King's College, Royal Naval Hospital, London. Doesn't matter. And then, it was another scientists in Australia, and they, they made a cancer, diagnostic machine based on his mapping. And he basically managed to map out these 12 phases of cancer from, you know, you don't have it all the way to, to stage three. Wow. And in different parts of the body. And he was able to tell with, his with 97% accuracy, what stage counts?

He had and, and where it all where it was. So that was, that was great. And that's what that group of sort of scientists were doing, unfortunately, you know, Peter was brought into that. He wasn't the originator of that company. Yeah. That machine was sold. Johnson and Johnson, 50 million. Peter didn't get any of that. He, and, you know, whatever. So then he basically just game gave up about five and five years for M.S. and moved, middle of Queensland with a madman, as we do. And, you know, I'm not going to repeat my story because I think I've said in our interviews, but at the point that we are basically at the point that we connected, he he basically completely given off.

But, you know, we were you know, we just contacted him saying, you know what? If we could if what if we could make, yeah. But you know, Bakewell actually, at the time, I wanted to make him a wellness system, and I sort of had an idea of how we could do it, but I didn't know how to get anyone better. But I had a sense that this guy from Australia did. And, you know, we obviously that that we hooked up and and started, started making it. And while the rest is history on the ness front, that component of, you know, his background was such so, how did you get him going again?

Like what? Like, sounds like you kind of got him in you at a I don't know. You know what I said to him? I just said so he sent me an email and said, I woke up this morning, my partner had a machete, and he cut off all the cases head for in the morning because the geese was screeching and he didn't want to be woken up. So the guy got up and call out, he said. So I just wrote back. I said, well, I said, you can move. You can move to England, become a millionaire genius, or you can stay in a tin shed in Queensland and maybe your head will get chopped off by a madman.

You're living. Yeah. So I guess what he did, he moved. He moved? He moved? Yes. I actually did it in complete secrecy. He took a business trip over the UK. He prearranged had all these boxes sent over to England for months and all the stuff he cared about. Wow. And he just did a business trip to UK. And he never went. He never went back. Never looked back. I love that, you know, he just was just hoax, the house and all that work. Yeah. He's one of the most, you know, most of us would never do that because he, you know, he half own that house and everything.

Yeah, he was he was. So he could just detach from anything, you know, wow. Or anything like that to. Yeah. To go onto a new path. Like it's pretty risky, actually. It really is. Yeah. To have roots like that. So where to next in this discussion of the, you know, history of bioenergetics and the mapping of the human body field. So we're we're up into the human body field discussion here. Yeah. So a few, a few sort of very interesting things happened. So when I first met Peter, like in in person, not in email, you know, he was explaining all these ideas and he was.

And he was going on about structures in space and how there are these really efficient, efficient ways for information energy to, to, to travel through the body. And basically in these, what he would call structures in space. But basically you have you have maximum efficiency. Solar energy pretty much takes, like sort information, pretty much takes zero energy to you need to transmit from one, one part of the body, to the other part of the body. But so gain is broader than, than the normal radiant system.

So I was like, well, Peter, if you have, you measured it. And he was like, no, I was like, well, why do you measure, you know, why do you measure it? Like, can you make up what we now call in the ceuticals book? And can we make a remedy or, you know, work out what that set of information is? It's like, oh, probably. Yeah. And, you know, he did it in quite simple way.

Body Field Mapping and Energy Drivers 16:20

But basically, you know, he basically just assumed the zero. So maybe a little bit concave. So but basically he assumed a zero was then that sort of, you know, as well it was the equivalent of zero energy. And then he worked out the information sets, for the zero energy pathways body. And those those became what we now call the 12 hour jet integrators. And then when we first took them, you know, then we I took one, this boil came up like, right here, actually, where I had an MMR vaccine, you know, right then I was like, fuck.

Like, that's a bit, weird. Yeah. And actually and then there was, the one that sort of, correlated to the, to the colon, colon meridians, like my kids, you not like my species became really green and it was sloppy stuff came out. I'm like, yeah, Dixie Stone detox. And based on that, they were actually too strong. They're actually too strong for patients and human consumption. But you'll see in that moment we were like, oh, you know, we're really on to on to something. Sure. So we actually I don't know if I like the word de change, but let's just say we made them more palatable for human consumption.

By like tagging them to different organs and meridians. So it's, you know, in that form is just too much of a correction, like, you mean it's too much from here to here. It's too fast. But by by tagging and adding in all of the other organs within that system, they basically smooth it out because, like if you imagine, you know, energy when it's so focused here has too much power, but you know, you can spread it. You it's yeah, there's a sort of a safer, safer level. And it's some, you know, a nice, nicer healing that makes.

But yeah, I was the lab rat. You were the guinea pig. Yeah. Okay. You take let's, Yeah. So I that was the start of it. And much later on that we there were 12 in that system as it was seven, eight years later, we, we extended it up because also within that zero energy. So the system is just different forms of energy from phonons, which is spaces like a sound pulse go in through the electromagnetic system up to light. But in light you you've got visible light, but it also goes it also goes beyond often, you know, up into ultraviolet, even gamma, x rays, etc..

Well, again, that's I think it was in the second or third year we did we did make the you know, what I call it integrates 13, 14, 15, 16. And those work in like the ultraviolet and above ranges. But again, they were ridiculous. They were ridiculously strong and very, very psychic. So like you would take them, you know, seeing that with a coder in the early, in the early years and, you know, he was writing code and I would see the code. He was just about to write. I was about 15 seconds before he would screen.

And, you know, everything, like, you know, everything that's going to happen, like, every moment. But it it it, you know, it feels a little bit magic like that state. So again, anyway, we smooth that out. We didn't actually we didn't actually release it. But it does have all these really beneficial effects on oh for you for like not to use it at your knees, but like, you know, with like with Parkinson's and yeah, major nervous system, major brain degeneration things. And so anyway, we didn't actually release until about four years.

You can release them for me. You can ask them, that's awesome. So that was fun. And then I'm ready this sort of next. So question that came up you know it's like well Peter like there's this energy system you know in the body but like yeah what's what's driving you know I just remember asking like Peter I was very annoying, inquisitive questioning. First I like fake set like what's what's driving the energy what Western energy come from. It's like, well, don't you know the heart? The heart and the heart generates energy and, you know, so, like, is that it?

It's like, well, the lungs, you know, and then and in the end, anyway, they ended up 16, 16 energy drives that we call the energetic drives. Not a they, they pretty much correspond or they do correspond to the, to the organ system. And yeah, some of them are obvious, like the heart is a strong magnetic field. Nervous system. You produce alpha delta waves. The lungs are slightly different, but basically all the meridians, stop. They stall. And so they start in the lungs. Where you. It's the beginning of the energetic cycle.

Beginning with the first cycle? Yeah. With the first one. The sound and the sound of the breath. That's how you driving phonons and the energy through, through through the meridians. And then, you know, if you look at any. Well, if you like, if you. Well, I'll just go to the so like. Yeah. So a cell is generating it's generating field. Just in it's like it's, it's well actually it's really the difference between like the structured water on the inside and then you've got like a hydrophilic, you've got a fat layer around the structured water, that that creates an electrical potential cycle.

You got to feel that. And you've got, you know, trillions of cells together in an organ that suits each other. That's another field, right? I mean, it's like feel the pond field and how it is. And like when people say, oh, what's the body field? It's not a one thing and it's not a one answer. You can look at it from the quantum electrodynamics view, just pure information, which is really what, you know, what we're doing and the corrective point of view in, in the schools. But you can you can look at it from ours.

The heart's racing about. That's it. Share a field is producing sound. So it's, it is it is the full spectrum of things. But, you know, ultimately you in on this world, we're really we're really talking about the QED aspect and just the pure information. And from a healing perspective, all we care about is what's the optimal blueprint or the optimal information that'll get you better. But to work that out, you do have to get into the sort of the mechanics of how these all systems meridians like, how they interrelate.

Yeah, just how that works properly. And you trace back through that summation.

Divergent Meridians and Genetic Correction 22:40

So, yeah, that's the drivers, that's the driving that that's lovely. And, you know, you can see it can get very simple and then quickly get into complexity, right? Because of all of the connections. And I really like that about the system and what you guys have really your inquisitive component with his development and putting this together is like you've you've asked a lot of the questions, most of them, and have put into a workable system. So then where do you go from that? So you got figured out what drives the energy.

All of the different organ networks working together, the immune system, you know, which really which really gets into this sort of broad, you know, broad theory of like, tree trains, the versus virus. And actually, I don't like the word versus it's, that's the wrong, the wrong word. But in, in what, you know, in Western medicine generally, especially right now, it's like the virus is, you know, the virus is the enemy. And we need to, like, kill it, suppress. Right. Stop. It's replication. All of that, you know, the other the other theory is terrain theory, and it's basically saying, look, if you've got a really healthy tree in your body, your body basically doesn't manufacturer, but, you know, bad viruses, all your, protein replication mechanisms of, you know, a working properly or immune system works properly.

No problem. And, you know, you get it or not. I mean, lot of it, you know, you get it a lot like, even in functional medicine, like they'll send you for blood tests. Apparently, these viruses then go on a massive killing program. The analogy of war or where we're battling something is so antiquated at this moment in time that I'm really saying, like, put down the guns and really in that oneness or in the field discussion, it's really the in our innate intelligence. It's our innate intelligence organizing itself.

And sometimes that's dysregulated because of multiple different issues. But for eight viruses, that's the that's the weird thing. You know, if you have a bad train, you literally will create you will create your own viruses. It allows them. Yeah. It allows it to be there. In Chinese medicine, there's this concept of goo, the goo syndrome. It's like this toxic mess that happens in the body that stops the flow of energy and information and, well, what is that? There's different things that I see that create that, you know, metals, toxicity, emotional traumas.

I mean, you know, multifactorial, as to how our bio field goes off. But this way of discussion is not, you know, like you said it, like the integrative doc's doing the blood test and then going after the bug. It's not about the bug. If we can just increase people's vitality, like with the nest system and the remedies and bringing them back into wellness or whole, then it just it pulls the whole system into wellness. And that that's the exciting part for me in this discussion. Is it really and pun intended, resonates with me in that, you know, the remedies are explicit to this is where you want to be vibrating and and it reminds the intelligence to do that.

Right. Because sometimes the I call it the conductor is playing the wrong tune. And we just need to reeducate the conductor. It's pretty interesting how it works. So, you know, one of, so one of this and actually this one is I pretty much preceded this as the first, the first emphasis ever took, actually. Oh, there's a first, maybe a second or third, but so Peter, Peter basically found the divergent meridians. Well, he basically used to stack up divergent meridians to make a sort of like a pit. I say a picture of the forest.

It's sort of like the opposite picture, but basically the, the, the question or the experiment was, which, which sets of divergent meridians combined together would correct, would basically correct the, protein replication problem, you know, going on the forest because like, the normal thing is the virus, the so it takes over, it replicates more, more of itself, you know, and spreads and just disrupts your whole system. Obviously what we want to do is sort of naturally stop, stop that. You basically want to retune the cell so it's not replicating viruses.

And, you know, it just just gets your system back, back to normal anyway. So he, he basically found by stacking up these sets and diverging meridians and feeding the body that you could you could, you could correct all the protein replication, and get yourself back to normal. And, you know, and the other good thing about that was basically divergent meridians. Communication communicates DNA. So another way of looking at them is we could look at them as like genetic base, genetic correctors, or another way of looking at it.

It's like they're basically like super, super cellular correctors as well. So the trains yeah, they're a super, super powerful part of the body field theory. We don't generally get them to start with because they're so freaking strong like we normally get. So we normally start with the drivers because we want to build people's energy.

Stars, Scans, and Personalized Remedies 27:40

Then we do that to do do the integrators. That basically corrects the energy flow in the body. And as that gets more into balance, then we sort of go in with, we go in with the, what we call energetic trains. But you could also call genetic correctives. We just didn't want to use that terminology for actual reasons of the pure. Yeah. So yeah, they're pretty cool. Then in the body field, we, we get into what we call stars and they, many fields that they're really just collect, but they're really just combinations of different drivers and integrates, for different things.

And, like, so, like, we have a staff, heavy metals, like a long memory imprint on the, links, like the heart and brain and helps, helps the memory. So we have a another star that's like, improves like the the function of detail such as a is a lot stronger than, the driver. So if you like the stars, the stars are, like, more powerful combinations than the integrators and individuals when they used to single laterally. Got it. So the synergy, the synergistic effect in the star versus those single remedy.

And then we go into I say into trouble. But then in the early days people asking as well, what about this stuff, this one about the star, you know, the answer actually is just trust. The trust the scan. Like these. The yeah, I mean, I actually I do appreciate that because you can get in I mean, you can have thousands of different combinations for the individual. And really it is all but you know, like the perfect combination actually is better worked out by the scan and by, you know, because otherwise you're back in this, medical label box.

Oh, you, you know, treating that disease like that's actually what you need was actually this, you know, how you get to a disease is know it's really a common. I mean, it's a combination of your genes where your epigenetic history is in time due to those genes. And then. Well, actually, I could say another way, and it's really due to the genes and then the whole history of your environment and time combining with those genes to get to where you are. Yeah. Isn't the same. Like you can have the same medical label or condition, but how you got there can be, you know, different, entirely different.

Right? Yeah. Then we have like the, you know, the, some of the my health. Well, one of the things like, you know, you know, and on this world, one of the reasons I started this is because I wanted to help, people at home with their health. So I wanted to make, you know, like a, basically like a mobile device. Yeah. And so that's why we made the my health. But it's made it's mainly really to directly help correct all the all the energy blockages and energy channels. And, you know, what was great about my help was we could actually combine multiple things at once.

So like in the your system of so what that is is the energetic rejuvenation system. Like we have what we have, I think we have 72 of those results in different parts of the body. But each one, it contains the right integrator, the right driver, like some of the, some of the integrators. Sorry. Some of the ideas combine in, in multiple regions, like where, you know, some, some, some of the spots in your body will have real full meridians going through them. So we can we can use all three, 3 or 4, and then the other side, we came out of a Russian theory called global scaling, which is basically the different functions and organs of the body.

Resonate to different frequencies. Doesn't necessarily mean, that you do a heal, but when you get a resonant frequency,

Live Tissue Research and Future Directions 31:20

it helps to put energy into the area. But if you combine that with the information so that part of the body knows where to go like it knows and what direction, to heal, it becomes really, really powerful. So, you know, the whole you know, I don't, I don't know, upset. Right. Well and all of that. But frequency alone isn't, it's it's just not as effective as when you combine it with, with the information because frequency is just the amount of time something happens in a second. Yes. It's a different part of the body will resonate to frequency.

But it's about, you know, putting energy and but it's not actually giving it the instructions or the blueprint of what to do. And yeah, you get really stellar results because when you combine the two so that that's the on system and yeah, that's probably what. Well that's literally where our mapping, that's where the ness mapping got. I guess if we get into the future. Yeah. Doctor, you know, I mean, the, the futures for sure is endless because we're really just scratching the surface of this, but, you know, area it's really exciting for us is I think it's in one of our, our videos or it's part of video for sure is, you know, we haven't seen, you know, previously we hadn't seen the effect on like live tissue.

And you know, it's a whole area of research. We, we didn't really realize was possible. But now we can basically feed so you can take heart tissue, lung tissue, brain tissue, any tissue in the body. And you can feed it the, the surgical information. And then you can map you can actually directly measure the effects of timing on, on that tissue. So like you can see all the different metabolic. It's like being produced. You measure its, energy output. You can infect the tissue with viruses, which is an experiment that I know this video will tell you about, how lung tissue with Covid virus and then, E2 basically helps keep the, Covid virus faster than, the normal.

So, yeah. So you can run all these experiments on live tissue and that's going to give us much, much more, you know, very pragmatic scientific detail on what all these information sets do. But it also sets up for us, more just directions for the for future research of what we can do with that. So that's, well, that's super exciting. I think that's, that's basically the mapping of the body field. I love it. Thank you so much, Harry. That was, super fascinating. And it's really cool to hear. On the development.

You know, how you arrived at some of these and really piqued my interest. And in some of the unlabeled products, let's say, you know, exactly where we're going with the system and with the well thought out remedies and the different sets of remedies of how how you put that together. So thanks. So.