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Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Dr. Aumatma is a double board-certified Naturopathic Doctor & Endocrinologist, in practice for 15 years. Dr Aumatma supports badass power couples to create the family of their dreams, and also trains doctors who want to specialize in fertility. She is the best-selling author of "Fertility Secrets: What Your Doctor Didn't... Read More
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
Trina Felber is the Founder and CEO of Primal Life Organics. As a registered nurse with a master’s degree in anesthesia, Trina disrupted the beauty industry and exposed the hyper-toxic personal care products poisoning us by Big Cosmo. She started her natural dental and skincare company in 2008 and puts... Read More
- Discover the intricate connection between the oral microbiome and fertility outcomes, including preterm labor
- Learn which dental products and ingredients to embrace or avoid for optimal fertility and women’s health
- Understand the mutual influence of partners’ oral health on each other and its impact on sperm health and pleasure
- This video is part of the Beyond “Infertility”: Navigating Your Path to Parenthood Summit
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Hey, I’m Dr. Aumatma, the host of the Beyond Infertility Summit. It is my absolute honor to introduce Trina Felber. She’s the founder and CEO of Primal Life Organics and a registered nurse with a master’s degree in anesthesia. Trina disrupted the dental and beauty industries. She exposed the hyper-toxic personal care products, poisoning us with big dental and big cosmetics. She started her natural dental and skin care line, called Primal Life Organics, in 2008 and puts her nurses’ care into every product she makes. She is a multimillion-dollar entrepreneur and bestselling author of Beauty’s Dirty Secret. She has made the Ink 5000 list and has been featured on NBC, CBS, Fox, Dr. Oz, and hundreds of podcasts worldwide. Trina focuses on creating a movement for clean beauty, better health, and public education. What you will hear in this interview is phenomenal.
We talk all about dental health, specifically our oral microbiome, the microbes in our mouths, the good ones, and how the good ones are wiped out with our diet, our lifestyle, and the things that we’re putting in our mouths, You want to listen because we’re going to link what’s happening up here to our reproductive health, what’s happening with our fertility, and what’s happening with orgasms. Let’s get into it. I hope you enjoyed this interview because Trina is one of my favorite people. Every time I talk to her, I learn so many good things, and I love how simple the things that she shares are and how they can have a huge impact on our fertility. Welcome. Trina, it’s great to have you here, and I’m very excited to talk about the connections between what’s happening in your mouths and what’s happening in your vagina. Let’s get into it. We had bits and pieces of this conversation in many ways, and I just want to dive in today. Like, what is the oral microbiome? What’s happening in our mouth that’s so important?
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
Your mouth is your gateway. It’s a gatekeeper and your gateway to health. So many products on the market are destroying our natural ability to prevent bacteria, viruses, and fungal infections from even entering our bodies. The inflammatory response that happens in your mouth can then affect your internal organs, all of your organs, including your reproductive organs. For both men and women, this is just not a female problem. This is for both genders. Unfortunately, if we’re using the wrong products and destroying our good bacteria, we’re leaving behind unhealthy bacteria that cause disease. That disease-causing bacteria internal lead causes health issues. The problem with it is that since your mouth is directly linked to every organ, Let me back up for a second. Your gum tissue has a very heavy supply of blood. There’s good blood flow to your gums. That’s why if there’s any inflammation or irritation when you’re flossing or brushing, you can get bleeding. What that means is that the blood that goes from your gum tissue back to your body isn’t going anywhere to be cleansed. It travels everywhere. It’s going back to your heart. Most likely to be lungs to react to. You need it, but then your heart pumps that blood everywhere, not somewhere to be detoxed like your liver. That’s the reason that your blood supply in your mouth, and your mouth is connected to every organ. If your blood supply from your mouth went straight to your liver, we wouldn’t have this problem. We were wired a little wrong, way back. We just haven’t been able to change that. But your mouth is directly connected to your heart, your liver, your lungs, your fertility, everything.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
I have so many questions for you. I feel like we could start with the products that are destroying our microbiome. I feel like it’s so antiquated to think of, like, even mouthwash. Like alcohol-based mouthwash or mint or whatever, it is going to destroy the oral microbiome. That’s what I understand as well.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
That 100% is not just mouthwash, so there are a lot of ingredients. Mouthwash is bad because it’s super concentrated. Like you said, it’s alcohol-based. The problem is that some good mouthwashes out there are okay, and they’re not going to hurt you. But they’re so few. There are so few. The majority of them out there are not formulated correctly. They’re made with sodium lauryl sulfate, which is also an insecticide. Just to put, in perspective our mouths. That’s in both toothpaste and mouthwashes and then you’ve got the trick. Listen, that’s not used as frequently anymore. It used to be used all the time, but that’s an antibiotic, as are peroxide and alcohol. Then you’ve got the artificial stuff, too. Let’s not ignore that. In most mouthwashes, there are artificial flavors, artificial colors, and artificial sweeteners. All of those artificial things increase inflammation in your body, and if they’re absorbed, which they will be through your gum tissue, then that just increases your inflammation inside the body.
But as far as those ingredients that are going to destroy your microbiome, I try to tell people it’s because most people can relate to the fact of taking an antibiotic at this stage of the game; almost everyone’s taken an antibiotic at least once for probably seven to 12 or 14 days. You can understand that when gut dysbiosis happens, you and I might end up with diarrhea. You might end up with some constipation or an upset stomach. That’s because it destroys not just the bacteria that’s causing a problem, but your good flora as well. That’s why a lot of people will take probiotics and things like that after they have taken an antibiotic. But when you’re using alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, or peroxide inside your mouth, it’s like taking an antibiotic twice a day. If you’re brushing twice a day, you should be brushing twice a day for life and expect to have a healthy microbiome in your mouth. It won’t happen. It will never happen. Let’s just start there, because if we can fix that problem, we can probably fix a lot of problems that extend beyond the mouth.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Changing out the products, the thing, and the specific ingredients that are destroying the oral microbiome, and I like the way you put it, like, think of that as an oral antibiotic that you’re taking twice a day forever. That alone is enough for everyone to be like, I would never put an antibiotic in my body for life. We just know that that would have so many consequences. Why do we think that it’s okay to do it in our mouths? I like that analogy and that perspective of destroying any bacteria that you have. The likelihood that good bacteria grow back is a lot lower than that of bad bacteria, which are more likely to grow back.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
You don’t have time to regrow good bacteria. It takes about, at least, three days after stopping the use of that. If you’re brushing twice a day, morning and night, 14–16 hours apart, you don’t even have time to reestablish a good microbiome. It’s just the bad stuff because bad stuff replenishes it. You’re always exposed to that stuff, and it’s just replenishing plus, it creates an environment. It’s all about the environment inside your mouth. This is where, when I differentiate my products from what’s out there, I try to differentiate the fact that, with what’s out there, the majority of the products are creating more acid inside your mouth. Most of the foods that we eat are acidic, and that includes things like coffee, red wine, red meat, and almost all processed foods that are acidic by nature. That acid is what the bad bacteria love. They’re the bacteria that don’t need oxygen to survive, and they love an acidic environment. This is cancer. It’s the same environment that cancer thrives in, which is why people have cured themselves of cancer when they go on an alkaline diet and create alkalinity in their bodies. Same idea inside your mouth. If we can change the environment to be alkaline inside the mouth, then the alkalinity alone will kill the bad bacteria. It can’t survive. If it’s like it gets out of its house, it can break down plaque. Alkaline environments can break down plaque and get to the bacteria because the plaque is a house or a biofilm where the bacteria can hide, and it can burrow deeper into your gum tissue than get into your bloodstream and then travel everywhere. But if we can get rid of that plaque, build up, and get rid of the bacteria by just creating an alkaline environment inside your mouth, In three to seven days, you can shift your mouth from being an acid-producing mouth to something that is more alkaline. But you have to make sure that you’re not being detrimental to the products that you’re using. The foods, you’ve got to be more cognizant of what you’re eating. You want to cut down on as much sugar as possible and get, so just kick out all the processed foods. That’s not going to be helpful. The red meats, the wine, and the coffee. As long as you’re not overdoing it, your mouth will be able to sustain that because that’s a healthy equilibrium, and healthy bacteria will be able to sustain a good life inside your mouth, even when it’s exposed to times when it’s not so alkaline. The main reason would be because your saliva if your mouth is healthy and your saliva is healthy, it will produce that slight alkalinity and neutralize the acids. Your saliva also contains nitric oxide. You and I had a little kick-out moment before we came on about nitric oxide, and you’ve had another speaker talk about it, but one of the most important aspects of your saliva and your mouth is the fact that saliva has nitric oxide. That’s what’s going to keep your mouth healthy, and it’s going to help prevent cavities and gum disease. But also the importance of the way your body creates one of the pathways your body creates. Nitric oxide is produced by the healthy bacteria inside the mouth.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
It’s super fascinating because nitric oxide and fertility have just become such things. We’re like testing people for nitric oxide levels so that we can know, do we need to do something to fix your nitric oxide. What you’re saying is even more fundamental than testing, supplementing whatever is like, starting with the oral microbiome. That’s an easy way to shift what the outcome is.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
I’m telling you, I think OB-GYNs need to offer an oral wellness program like the one that I offer. That’s why I call it an oral wellness program. Because if you like, your nitric oxide is going to help you, first of all, get pregnant because it’s going to increase blood flow to your reproductive organs and it is going to help dilate the areas in there that need to be dilated for implantation, fertility, and even an egg to be released. On top of that, once implantation happens, nitric oxide is going to support that pregnancy. Then, all the way through delivery, nitric oxide is going to be excellent. If you’re someone who’s got an unhealthy mouth, and I don’t mean that in a bad way, because you might be thinking, I do everything right. I brush my teeth twice a day; I eat healthy; I do this; I do this. But if you have an acid-producing mouth, then you are not producing nitric oxide. Not to the extent that you should be, because there are two pathways: one’s internal with enzymes, and the other is in your mouth. Your mouth bacteria and your gut bacteria have to be healthy for nitric oxide to be produced. If you eat nitrates, and I’m not talking about the nitrates in things like hot dogs and processed foods, there have to be nitrates in real foods like green vegetables and things like that. You eat those; your good bacteria break down the nitrates into nitrates, and then in your gut, the nitrates get converted to nitric oxide, and that’s the pathway. If your gut and your mouth are not simultaneously healthy, you’re going to decrease that production of nitric oxide, which will ultimately lower your production or your salivary content of nitric oxide as well, which then creates a whole cycle of—it’s a hamster wheel. There’s no good nitric oxide in your mouth. It can’t support healthy bacteria, and then the bad bacteria grow. Now you’re not making nitric oxide. It’s just a hamster wheel. But it’s easy. It’s super easy. That’s why I feel like if we can make the switch to good oral health or oral care products and get that switch inside the mouth to be alkaline instead of acidic, you will probably see fewer people having problems. This is, in my opinion, a long-term problem with infertility. I think that you would see a lot of people who were not able to conceive now be able to conceive with minimum assistance or any assistance.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Let’s get into what the oral microbiome is outside of nitric oxide. I think there’s more. How is that affecting other parts of fertility, labor, etc.?
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
It has a lot to do with inflammation. Nitric oxide is also very important for a healthy immune system. Any time that you have any inflammatory response happening inside the mouth or in the body, your body is going to prioritize what’s more important: your heart or your uterus. That’s an easy one. Without a heart for Mom, there is no heart for a baby. If you’re someone who has unhealthy bacteria inside the mouth and inflammation happening inside the body, your body is always going to prioritize your health over unfortunately, reproductive health. And that’s part of the survival of the fittest. When you get down to it, the healthiest specimens should be the ones that are procreating. And I’m not trying to be mean or upset anyone, but that’s just how life in general happens for every species, not just humans. Inflammation is a killer in many ways that we don’t even know, because it’s the root cause of almost every disease, including heart disease and infertility. Inside the mouth, that inflammation is just nitric oxide, which can suppress or support a healthy immune system. It supports healthy sleep; it supports a healthy brain. All of those things are sending signals to your body that, you’re good, you’re healthy, and then your reproductive system can be on target to reproduce.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
I would also say, just to add to that, that piece is the survival of the fittest, and there’s an innate need for our survival before we procreate. I feel like I say this so often, which is that if we don’t have an overflow of vitality if there’s a part of our body that’s like, I need help, then that part gets attention because that part is going to be integral to our survival, whereas reproduction is like a bonus. It’s like, we could do this if we had extra, but it’s not making me; it doesn’t affect my survival as an individual at all. Any time there are these calls for attention and information, this is a perfect example because you can have an inflamed mouth, you can have inflammation in the gut, you can have inflammation in the vagina wherever you want to go, and any level of inflammation is going to be like, pay attention to me; I need help. That’s like, sorry, reproduction. Turn it off. Like that happens.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
Your body knows innately. It takes a lot of energy to produce another human being. It will suck all of your life out of you. the first trimester moms, I remember it. You’re like, I have no energy. Well, it’s because you’re creating a human, and your body knows that intuitively and it’s going to protect you from having to go through something, especially if you’re having health issues that you may or may not even know of. When you’re talking about the inflammation inside the mouth, the other piece of that is digestive health. Like your digestive health, it starts inside your mouth. The gut starts inside the mouth; the whole oral cavity, or, as I call it, the tube that goes from tongue to tail, is outside of your body. If you were to take your mouth down and stretch it out, you should be able to look straight through your whole digestive system and realize that the entire tube that runs through us is not considered inside of our body. What happens is because of the wrong bacteria in the mouth, which then leads to leaky gums and in the gut; we call it leaky gut syndrome. That opens up the gateway for things that aren’t supposed to be in your body, whether it’s toxins, chemicals, or anything else, including heavy metals, to cross through that barrier and get inside your body, so that leakiness is causing that inflammation and your inflammatory markers to skyrocket. then your body will go into protection mode.
But what happens also that we don’t even think about, and this is probably, in my opinion, also connected to your body’s innate knowledge of whether you can support a pregnancy or not. When you’re not absorbing nutrients, you have malabsorption syndrome because you have a leaky gut, Crohn’s, or different types of digestive problems. What happens is that you can be taking supplements, even prenatal supplements. But I take all my vitamins. Of course, you do but your gut is only absorbing 10% of what you’re bringing in. You’re not absorbing those minerals and those vitamins. You end up with low levels of things that your body needs, like calcium. You are going to create a baby that is going to have teeth and bones by the time nine months and ten months are over, and your body has to have a good calcium level in it. Without high calcium and other mineral levels, your body is automatically going to go, but nope, you’re not going to be able to support that. But the other important thing about oral health is that your salivary content also drops, and this happens during pregnancy. A lot of women I’ve heard of have never had this problem, but I heard women say that they get a cavity for every baby born. It’s because of the concept that your body has to have excess or enough calcium, which is why prenatal vitamins are so important because a baby’s taking those minerals from mom. It’s like a little fetus just feeding and taking all the nutrients.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
They say it in the most loving way possible.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
It’s a parasite. Let’s all be real. It’s a parasite. Look, I have my little parasite. I do this. I love my little props. There’s a little heartbeat. You can see the heartbeat, but the little parasite is stealing all of your nutrients, which is great. You’re more than happy to give them up. But if you don’t have enough to give up, they’re going to take them anyway. That’s why women start to have other health issues when they’re pregnant. One of the things that happens is that they start to bite their teeth. The calcium that’s in the saliva starts to be depleted. Over the nine months of depleted calcium in your saliva, the remineralization of your teeth doesn’t happen. Nitric oxide production doesn’t happen, and your teeth start to become weaker and your gums become even weaker. Then, at the end of the pregnancy, which is when you typically go, I have a toothache, and I don’t know why or how to fix it. I’ve helped prevent that for thousands of women before and during pregnancy.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Why does that happen, and how can we fix it? How do we fix it?
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
It’s a simple switch to using dental health products that are formulated correctly. Let me give a little detail about how I became this person who talks about dental health because I never in my life thought that this was what I’d be mouthing off about. But my daughter, when she was two years old, had a molar eruption that had a natural defect in a natural cavity, and the dentist took a look at the tooth and said, We’re going to have to pull this tooth within a year. He said We’ll put a temporary filling in it. Since she’s two, the temporary filling will only last two to three months, and every time it falls out, we’ll decide: do we pull the tooth now or do we put another temporary filling in it? He knew I was upset because every tooth is connected via a meridian to an organ. That means one of your teeth is connected to the uterus and all of your reproductive organs. If there’s any issue in either area, your body is sensing the issue. When I was leaving, he said, Don’t worry, Mom; we put a temporary filling in it, and now we just hope for the best. That triggered me. I thought there was no way you didn’t know me. I don’t ever hope for the best for my kids. I’m going to do something about this. I went into geek mom mode and started researching, and I came across Dr. Weston A. Price, who was a dentist in the early 1900s, and he discovered the link between sugar and cavities. He did a lot of research in third-world countries on why their oral health is so good. Like, even this was in the 1900s, before we supersized everything. But what he noticed was that, when you look at National Geographic, they’ve got big jaws and big teeth, and their teeth are white, and their guns look healthy like you can. You don’t see too many obese, with bad teeth types of people over there. It’s not necessarily because they’re not eating enough. It’s more because what they’re eating is full of nutrients, and it’s real food. It’s not processed food. What he discovered is that when people start eating the wrong foods, they supersize a lot of the processed foods.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Is just like empty calories, essentially.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
The first thing that goes is oral health. Their oral health declines first, and then they show up at the doctor; they start to get obese, they start to get sluggish, and they start to have high blood pressure and diabetes. You can just go down the line and see the trend of what’s happening from someone who was previously healthy and now just converted a diet to what we would call the SAD diet in America. Then, all of a sudden, you can just predict it. First of all, you’re going to end up with cavities and gum disease, and the next thing you’re going to have is heart disease. then after that, it’s going to be diabetes and the list goes on. It’s a simple switch. I found him. Let me go back to my story. I always forget the punch line. I found him. I looked at all his research, and I said, I’m going to see if I can save my daughter’s tooth if I can get it one year, and one day I will be so happy. I created my Dirty Mouth Powder, which was the first dental product that I made based on Dr. Weston Price’s research. Three things need to be in dental products. This is like none of the ones on the traditional shelf of toothpaste contain these very few. There’s a handful of companies that are putting out the right type of product. What do you want in a dental product? People say you brush your teeth to clean them. Honestly, your mouth will do that. Your saliva should do that. You should be brushing your teeth to alkalinize your mouth, remineralize your teeth, and detoxify the tissues in your mouth. You will most likely clean them while you’re doing that, but the cleaning of your teeth should be natural and done with your saliva. Those were the three takeaways: alkalinize your mouth, it has to contain minerals, and it has to detoxify the tissues. Then I got to work with what I was going to use. What type of ingredients can I use that will do all three of those things? Then I formulated my Dirty Mouth Toothpowder. I used a blend of three clays.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
I love it. I try to get my son to use it, and he’s like, What the? I’m like, this is so good for you. You can use it.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
I now make toothpaste, so I can send you some toothpaste and give you my best.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
I think he will get on board with that.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
I use a blend of three different clays. Clay’s are amazing. Amazing. Clay has all of those properties. It is slightly alkaline—not overly alkaline, but slightly alkaline. It has minerals—a ton of minerals. Now your teeth have more than just calcium in them. Your teeth have manganese, magnesium, silica, and all sorts of minerals. When you lose a manganese, you have to replace it with another manganese. If you don’t have manganese present until you get that present and it’s alkaline at the time that you have manganese present at that spot, you will not put a mineral back in your teeth. The problem is that people live in an acidic mouth all the time. They’re constantly losing minerals because when your mouth is acidic, that’s the acid erosion you hear about. people that have linea and are vomiting, or during the first trimester of pregnancy for women when they’ve got morning sickness in their vomiting, it’s so important that oral health is so important that the first trimester can upset your mouth because of that vomiting of the acids wearing away your enamel. We want to make sure that it’s alkaline. What I created was a blend of three clays. I added baking soda to it. The baking soda is a signal to you if you’re using it. If you think your product is good and you’re using a natural product, look at the ingredients. There’s no baking soda in there. It’s probably not alkaline enough because some of them contain clay. Clay is slightly alkaline, but because of the intensity of the acids in the mouth, the clay is not alkaline enough to do its job effectively. I added baking soda, nano-hydroxyapatite is one of the newer ingredients on the market for dental products. Nano-hydroxyapatite is the calcium and phosphates in your teeth and bones anyway, and they just call it your enamel, which is called hydroxyapatite. Hydroxyapatite is being added to a lot of formulas; unfortunately, a lot of brands are not using the right hydroxyapatite, but it has to be nano, which means it’s so microscopically small. Some brands use micro, which is too big, and you brush and spit it back in the sink. hydroxyapatite clay, a blend of three clays, and then baking soda. Then I use essential oil. The cool thing about the clay is that it detoxes; it’s pulling toxins out of the tissues of your mouth every time you brush, and heavy metals. This is where a lot of heavy metal infestation happens. Just exposure to heavy metals in all sorts of food, water, pollution, and everything. If your mouth’s gum tissue is not so healthy, you can get it, and that’s where heavy metals can then work their way into your body, the mouth, and the gut. Pulling those toxins out of your tissue with clay-based toothpaste or toothpowder is beneficial. We’ve seen the switch. People will have what we would consider an unhealthy mouth. Somebody who says that they’ve had sensitive teeth, you have sensitive teeth or bad breath. That’s a signal to you that your teeth and the gums in your mouth are declining and not healthy. You should not have sensitive teeth, and you should not have bad breath. We need to switch that. That’s an environment inside your mouth that’s unhealthy. Making the switch to oral care products that contain baking soda, clay, nano-hydroxyapatite, and essential oils is great not just for flavoring, but also increases blood flow and reduces inflammation in the gum tissue. That’s going to speed healing as well.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Love it. I heard a dentist, like a functional dentist or whatever say that they don’t even use mint products. Is this true? Mint can cause an imbalance in the microbiome or something.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
There are a lot of dentists that don’t like the essential oils, the use of essential oils inside them, but they feel like they’re going; they feel like they are like alcohol, that they kill everything. But it’s simply not true. Of course, if you use a large dose, which you wouldn’t in oral care products, it could have some opposite effects. But in the amount that’s being used, essential oils are extremely healthy. I’ve been using them for years, and we’ve been very successful with reversing cavities for people, gum disease, and all sorts of things. I love essential oils. People who don’t, typically understand how they work.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
It still comes from the perspective that, antibiotics kill everything. Natural products also kill everything, including herbal medicine, but that’s not true. Herbs and plants have a more fine-tuned sense of what’s healthy for your body versus what’s not and are more selective. optimization of the stuff that’s not healthy.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
When you’re using plant medicine or plant therapy, which is what essential oils are, you have to stop and think. Plants have to survive. You were saying, it’s survival of the fittest for a plant. They’re exposed to pollution, radiation, bacteria, fungus, and viruses. They’re exposed to everything out there. They have to figure out a way to keep themselves alive, but they must kill all of that. That’s why plant therapy is so beneficial for us because the plants have figured it out. Now we’re just taking what they’ve used. The essence of the plant. That’s what an essential oil is, and using it in just microscopic amounts. It does wonders. It does wonders, and it helps to increase blood flow and reduce inflammation, which are the key factors. I’m not a practicing nurse anesthetist anymore, but one of the keys is that I love to have patients wake up comfortable from an anesthetic, and reducing inflammation and pain are the main two factors that will speed healing. We know that if somebody has hip surgery and we can put ice on the hip and reduce the inflammation and pain and get them up faster, they will heal so much faster than someone who just lays in bed and doesn’t do anything. That’s the same idea inside the mouth: reducing pain and inflammation. That’s why I love the way that I formulate my products—that I put a blend of three different clays in one of them. I use bentonite, white, kaolin, and French green clay. French green clay is from the sea. It has a lot of nutrients that most clay wouldn’t have because it’s exposed to algae and other phytonutrients from the plant. that’s beneficial for your gum tissue’s healing. But one of the key factors or key components is that it’s analgesic and it’s anti-inflammatory. It does those two things: it reduces pain and reduces inflammation. Healing the gum tissue is a lot easier when you’re using French green clay, and you can help reduce those two factors inside the mouth. Red light therapy and blue light therapy. I don’t know if we’ve ever talked about that, but are red light therapy and blue light therapy inside the mouth other benefits or beneficial modalities to keep your mouth healthy?
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
I want to sidetrack for a second. Oral health for the male partner. I feel like we focus so much in the fertility world on women. How is this affecting men?
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
Let me put it first this way. Cavities and gum disease are contagious. If you’re taking care of your oral health but you’re kissing someone who’s not, then you are exposing yourself to that bacteria every day. At some point, you may not be able to fight it. I had a dentist. One time she told me she had a client of hers who got divorced and had been a client for 20 years. This was an older woman who had been with this dentist for 20 years. She knew her history and never had problems with cavities or gum disease. All of a sudden, she showed up in her office, and she had cavities. She had a cavity and had some gum disease starting to develop. She was like, What is going on? You’ve never had this problem. She started asking questions because it took a little digging to figure out what happened. She got divorced a couple of months earlier and started dating someone, and when the dentist asked about his oral health, His teeth and gums weren’t good. She says we need to either fix that or you need to stop kissing him because you are catching his bad mouth bacteria, which now implicates not just your teeth and gums but ultimately your whole body’s health as well. A lot of women are the ones that buy the products for the family. But make sure that whoever you’re living with is using healthy products and that their oral health is good. Beyond that, the same thing happens for men. As for women internally, any inflammation-induced decrease in nitric oxide production is going to affect sperm motility, sperm count, sperm health, and even erectile dysfunction. Nitric oxide is one of the key components for erections. That’s why there are some pills out there for nitric oxide. People who take nitric oxide notice a difference in their sexual health as well. But without nitric oxide production, all of those things decline in men as well.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
In terms of erections or orgasms, is there anything additional that is contributed to oral health that will help have better orgasms?
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
The nitric oxide, seriously. Everybody’s going to be like, “Where do I buy that nitric?” You can buy pills, there are little capsules that you can take. Those are helpful. I like to look at those things as short-term or let’s see where I’m at, but let’s fix the root cause. Who wants to be popping a pill all the time and getting that up-and-down effect of nitric oxide? When you can change the microbiome, it’s a simple change in the microbiome inside your mouth. Sometimes you might still need a little nitric oxide support, but you don’t want to depend on that because your heart pumps blood 24 Seven. It doesn’t want the roller coaster of nitric oxide. We want to make sure that nitric oxide is being created by your body as opposed to popping a pill or a tablet. Again, those things are great to get you over the hump. If you’re someone who’s low and needs to get that boost to jumpstart their health, of course, if your nitric oxide level is normal, your body will heal much faster internally, and your mouth will heal because, again, low nitric oxide in the body means low nitric oxide in your saliva, which means now all those other problems start to happen. You get cavities, gum disease, you can’t make nitric oxide, bad bacteria, all of that. getting that bump up, but then hoping that as you make the changes with your oral care, diet, exercise, and mindset, all of those things start to come into play. Your need to pop a pill for nitric oxide goes down to the point where maybe you only need it occasionally, maybe under stress, or, if you had something that wasn’t as healthy, eat a bunch of sugar or something. But making that switch in your oral care is probably going to have the biggest impact.
That’s why they say health starts inside your mouth. I always say that might be where it ends too, right there at your front door. If your mouth isn’t healthy, you probably don’t have any chance of being healthy internally. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone smile and have a nasty smile. By nasty, I mean bad oral care or their teeth and gums looked unhealthy. Have you ever seen someone with that mouth present and be, very healthy? Doesn’t happen. Typically, if you have a healthy smile and people judge you, This is the other piece that’s not very nice, but it’s true. The very first thing that people notice about someone is their smile. I’ve done a little test on this. We have a couple of images where a woman is missing a tooth right there on the front of her mouth, and we’ve shaved off her eyebrow, and people never notice the shaved eyebrow. They always noticed the mouth. People. people judge. It’s funny. It’s like, you didn’t notice she’s missing an eyebrow. I was focused on her teeth. That’s why it’s. and as bad as it sounds so shallow, but it’s just true. They’ve done studies. If you don’t have good oral health, you are less likely to land the job because people equate good oral health with a healthy candidate, and if you show up in your mouth, it is a mess. They’re going to think she’s calling up all the time. She’s going to get sick with the flu. All of those things are true. If your mouth isn’t healthy, you are going to be more likely to have sinus infections, flu, colds, and all sorts. You’re going to feel run down more. All of that is true. They have every right to think that. My goal, when I put this all together for my daughter, I don’t even think I told you guys that a tooth that was supposed to last just a year fell out naturally at the age of 12. It lasted ten years. The original filling that was supposed to last two months was still in place. That original filling lasted ten years as well, and the tooth had remineralized over that filling so that it protected it from bacteria or any problems. We never had a problem with that tooth. My kids are now 15; my daughter is 15. I have 13-year-old twin boys. They just went to the dentist the other day, and they all have zero cavities and zero plaque. the dentist even said this is the fear of the dentist. He said, You guys are going to put me out of business. You had no plaque, and you guys have no cavities. You’re going to put me out of business.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
We better. Like the Mom, is a major CEO of a good dental product.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
Don’t you think you should be providing your patients with my products? But no, the fear of the dentist. That’s why so many people and I love dentists; don’t get me wrong. People, they’re a profession that people look up to and trust. Unfortunately, on the other side of the spectrum, is the dentist going? “If they don’t get cavities, I’m not going to have any business.” By the way, is not true. The biological dentists of the world have proven that that’s not true and that if you can create a wellness program where people don’t get cavities, your business will flourish even more than the fear mangled. “I have to make sure they get cavities so that I can fill, drill, and bill.” I’m here to support anyone who wants to stay away from the drill, fill, and bill. Stepping into my mouth is healthy, I have no plaque, and I have no cavities.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Thank you so much for being with us today. This was awesome. I always love talking to you about stuff because every single time I just learn new things about oral health, I’m like, Wait, we’re going to need to do this for all of our people. Thank you so much for being with us. For those of you who are listening in to the Beyond Infertility Summit, live life, just pay attention. I feel like the oral health nitric oxide conversations this time have been cutting-edge. What do I like? I love being on the cutting edge, but it’s like pushing the envelope. Here are some fundamental things that support either very pro-fertility or very anti-fertility. The ways that you can fix it are relatively simple. Like this, do not go out and buy $10,000 worth of supplements. You don’t need them. Fix your mouth.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
No injections. I don’t give any injections. It’s a simple fix. I created a whole program. It’s called the Dental Detox Kit. I put it together because that was the piece that people were like; I don’t know what to do. I don’t know what to get. Here, I’ll just put together a kit that does this for you. It’s a 60-day kit, and it helps to transform your mouth. It’s simple. I want to help for as many months as possible. quick, my story of how I started my business started because of a miscarriage. I started my company because I had a miscarriage. When we started, I was seven weeks along. I was almost 40 years old. When I miscarried, I don’t know what happened, but I’ll find out what your meaning was and why you spent seven weeks with me. Then I got pregnant with my daughter pretty quickly afterward, and I was at week seven, where I was like, it’s that anyone who’s had a miscarriage gets to that weekend, like.
I was in tune. We had changed our cleaning supplies to nontoxic. We had changed our laundry detergent, like all summer air purifiers. All these things never dawned on me. My skincare was polluting my body with chemicals that were causing infertility, hormone problems, cancer, neuro problems, and all this stuff. I discovered the toxins and personal care products and decided I was going to make all my own. That’s how I started my company—because of a miscarriage. I turned it all around and then ended up with twins. I fixed my infertility and the problems that I had. Then I ended up with my twins. It’s amazing.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
After the dental story came out with your daughter, like, how do we fix the teeth problem? So I feel like you’ve just done such a phenomenal job of digging into the science and trying to figure out, like, what is the root cause and how do I fix that? I just love it. I’m a big supporter. I love that you’re doing this around the world. Your products are amazing. You’re not in pitch. I did get paid to say that. It’s just the truth. When someone is genuine and they’re doing it for the right reasons, it makes a tangible difference in the world. That’s what you’re about. I love that. Thank you for being here.
Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to interview me again because this is such an important topic that, as you said, it’s an easy switch fix. If it fixes the problem, how relieved will millions of people be? Thank you.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Absolutely.
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