The Role of Safe Detoxification and PEMF Therapy

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

This is Dr. Pawluk. Today, I have with me, again, our esteemed guest, Dr. Eliaz, Isaac Eliaz. And today, we’re gonna focus on, the topic is different than the last one that we had. Last one was much more general, and introduced the concept of the galectin and modified retrospecting, and meditation and holistic, basically holistic medicine. We ranged far and wide last time. Today, Dr. Eliaz wants to focus on the role of detox, relative to not only galectin and modified retrospective, but also the role of detox in terms of the impact of PMF therapy on the detox process. And we haven’t delved into that a whole lot during this conference series, during the summit series. So this is a good topic to do at this time. So Dr. Eliaz, I don’t think we need to reintroduce you again, but maybe we should do like a two-minute explanation of who you are and why detox is so important for you.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right, well in my background, I’m a physician, I’m a licensed acupuncturist, I’m trained vertically in multiple modalities. I’m a active researcher with active NIH grants. I’m also highly trained in meditation and healing for decades. I started meditating at the age 15, and I’m soon going to close 50 years of practicing. So holding health and life in different places allows you to see a little bit of a larger picture. And I translated it into a simplified concept that does hold this depth called “The Survival Paradox”, it’s the name of my best selling books that came in September. And we explained in the previous interview, we talked about what is the survival paradox, we explained that we all have an innate quickly. We have an innate, a building survival response that we all know, otherwise that’s what keeps us alive. And the survival response affects us in every levels. Cellularly, tissue, organ as a person, as a community, et cetera. And because it’s innate, it’s automatically response through the autonomic nervous system, through the sympathetic system, either by fighting, creating inflammation, war or running away and hiding, which creates micro environments in the body, creates fibrosis, creates this function of tissue level and dysfunction of the person in many levels. So that’s a paradox. And on a biochemical level, this is driven as we talked, by galectin-3 by this carbohydrate binding protein that is triggered right away, goes to the different tissues who are under quote unquote danger and delivers inflammatory compounds, hyper viscosity compounds, growth factors, and also compound that will cause a cytokine stone. That’s very briefly about the survival paradox. When we want to change our health. 

And it’s really important to try to hold an holistic view. An holistic view means we don’t subscribe to one specific highway for making a change, and we understand that things are multidimensional and multifaceted. From, interesting because I speak now in different summits and different topics from genetics and epigenetics affecting not only diseases, but there’s a lot of interest now affecting behavior, and behavior affecting our health. We want to understand that in order to change our health, we need to make change. And the first step in making change, the first step in being alive is to let go, to create space. And the letting go, sorry, the exhalation, the relaxation is a process of detoxification of letting go. We come to this world, we let go, we exhale, we leave this world, we let go, we exhale. So our body goes constantly through a process of detoxification, exhalation, inhalation, where we take nourishment and in between, if there is enough space and it works properly, we have transformation, transformation in the lungs when we let go of carbon dioxide, toxin and get air, happening all the time, where the length of exhalation is twice as long as the length of inhalation, we detoxify more in order to be able to nourish. And it happens of course, on a tissue level and on a cellular level and even on the mitochondria level. So the first step to allow us to be receptive to a medication, to an herb, or more suddenly to an acupuncture treatment, to homeopathic remedy, to create a sacral and to PMF is to allow this space for things to happen. It’s like sending a wave in the water. If there is a huge dam, when you start the wave, the wave is not gonna continue, it’s gonna stop with the dam. We have to open the dam. 

And this is a process. It’s an amazing process because when we open, we don’t always know what’s gonna come out, right? Come out of our tissues, come out of our cells, come out of our traumas, come out of our epigenetic and genetic tendencies. But this is through healing and we see it across the board. And I’m almost shifting towards more emphasizing it, Dr. Pawluk because I see issues that now, like I see new epidemics, like mast activation, like a SIBO, like overreactivity, cytokines stone. The body is overreacting, the body’s in alarm state. So we can give medications to suppress the alarm. Like you give antihistamine, mast cell stabilizer, but use a symptomatic treatment, it does help people. The idea is to turn off the alarm, and essential step is detoxification in creating space, creating time for things to happen. And especially for PMF, when you’re looking at a field that is working there, it’s present there, but it’s dynamic, it’s not static. If it hits a wall, it hits a wall. If it hits a tissue and a body that is more fluid, more flowing on a physiological level, good hydration, on the level that the detox pathways are opened, on the level that there are no heavy metals, mycotoxin, pesticide and the level that emotionally, mentally, psychologically, we are willing to change, which means we’re willing to let go, let go of toxin, let go of diseases, let go of concepts, truly let go. 

The more we can do it, the most spontaneously we can heal. And I had my own experience. I told them right now in Hawaii, and I got COVID while teaching and it affected my blood pressure. It was going up and down and nothing happened. Nothing was helping and medication, higher dosage. So I came here to the island and it really took just three days, three days for me to, and I was still working a little bit, for me to totally open up and relax. And the blood pressure went back to what it was, why? When I’m a little bit more trained in letting go. So some people will take longer, but the idea is a letting go process. And specifically in your field, it’s very, very important. And of course, it’s at the hands of the person who is getting the PMF, and if they get other treatments, it’s in the hands of the doctors, of the healers to allow the change to help. So even us, if there are doctors who are listening, for us it’s not have a preconceived idea about what needs to change, about what’s going to change, but to be opened, and for the patient also to be opened because when we are open, when we don’t have expectations, when we are not waiting for something, our alarm system goes down, our survival system goes down and then what happens? Our metabolism changes, and then? Then we heal, it’s a very similar mechanism, it heals us from so many diseases, right? So that’s really why it’s a little bit of explanation why this is so vital, so important. And it’s a game changer. I see it when I do my meditation and healing retreats. And I see it when I work with people, I provide very sophisticated high tech specialty of mine in therapeutic of where I do research, where I filter the plasma from toxin and I’m working specifically, my NIH grant is removal of galectin-3. So this is with major hospitals and researchers and medical device development. But then sometime, not sometime often as part of the packet, it’s the 20 minutes of healing or half an hour with acupuncture that I do before the fancy treatment or after. 

And that’s what really allows for the change to happen. So that’s why I really wanted to talk about it. So people understand that detox is something we do every second, every time. So every breath. And ideally, if we are trained, every thought, the thought leaves us and we don’t hold to it. And there is space. And then the next thought comes, that’s a basic level of meditation. But if we are bound thought, tied to thought, tied to thought, the stickiness of the mind causes physiological stickiness, knowing Chinese medicine that you know very well will call it blood stagnation. But that’s an energetic stagnation, which starts from a mind stagnation. So movement, physical movement, hydration and detoxification strategies are key to allowing the actual treatment. So somebody, for example, again, focusing on this summit where PMF is a key component of their health, then it will be like the icing on the cake or whatever you wanna call it. It’s like the head of the error. If you use this as your main therapy, it can be a supportive therapy, but let’s say in this case, it’s a main therapy. It’s like an arrowhead. So the arrow has to be sharp, but also the reception, everything that supports it, the whole everything, the whole baseline has to be supporting it. So it doesn’t collapse. And that’s kind of the idea why detox is key and it’s often misunderstood upon people saying, “Detox, oh, we’ll do colons, we’ll flash the liver.” No, it’s something to at least contemplate, wow. And in my book where I talk about the survivor paradox I explain how it works physiologically, and it’s always stories mainly of cancer patients, but different diseases. And then I go through all the main diseases. And then in the solution three last chapters, the first one is the detoxification, where I go in depth and we will provide this chapter to your participant. I think it’s a gift we’re giving.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

I would like to clarify one thing because, and I think you’re absolutely correct that PMF therapy, PMFs are a physical modality to a PMF the body doesn’t exist. The body it’s not there, it doesn’t matter whether there’s a body between the PMF and some other’s place away from it. It basically goes through the body completely. So the issue with the PMF is not the PMF as much as it is the, from what we’re talking about, what you’re mentioning, is the condition of the, if you feel the field that the PMF is passing through.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Exactly, the more changeable is thought. So if we go to Asian tradition, if we go to Buddhist tradition is what I’m trained in, the body also really doesn’t, it exists and it doesn’t exist, it really doesn’t exist, it’s changeable all the time. From quantum physics, nothing is solid, everything is changeable of all the time. We are mainly space. The problem, our body, which feels solid, is identified as solid. We contract, we hold, this contraction penetrating to our behavior, into our organs. So the reason why I gave just for me, other people can do the same. This story about my healing it’s because I’m trained to let go. When I had a chance I let go. So it’s a training, it takes time. But the idea that within simple tools, we have to do it on a physical level, we have to do it. And the first step so critical. And I loved your explanation about the PMF, because it’s really what it is. The first level is to create space, because when we create space in our life, when we create space between our exhalation and inhalation, when we are able to create some space between our thoughts, and for people who are listening who are savvy meditators, space, that’s hard, hard, hard to do, rare to come by space within the thought, within the action, then everything can change. And then just like you said so beautifully, the PMF just go through and then guess what? Everything harmonizes, this whole universe is harmonized. We’re just like a tiny, momentary incidents right here talking, but when we contract, when we hold it, change is gone, PMF will hit a wall, and what is the holding? It is survival, right? Everything that comes falls the way, the waves, the field knows it, it moves through it if nothing exists, it’s beautiful, that’s exactly what it is.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Yeah, nothing stops, it’s the environment that contacts the magnetic field. So I routinely tell people that magnetic field therapy doesn’t do the work, magnetic therapy is just as stimulus. It’s just passing through. It’s the wind blowing through the trees. Either a strong wind or it’s a weak wind, but the tree, I mean, there’s nothing between this tree and the next tree. And that magnetic field doesn’t know whether it’s between this tree and the next tree, or it is the tree itself.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right, and the Chinese image, if the tree is very flexible, which means it’s hydrated, it’s well done, it’s not rigid, it will bend with the wind. If it’s stiff, fighting or not nourished, the wind will break it. It’s an image used in Chinese medicine, yeah, totally.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So the state of the body then becomes the key, and in medicine and epidemiology, we talk about mild, moderate, and severe disease. And it’s research studies don’t take that into account. Then what happens? You put all the people who have a condition into a box and say, “They’re all equal,” they’re not. Some are mildly affected, some are moderately affected, some are severely affected. And so the ones that are severely affected, like the wind and the trees, then they’re going to be more likely to break because they don’t have that resilience, they don’t have the balancing capacities that you need to be able to take that stimulation and work with it.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Exactly, so it’s very accurate. And the other part to realize is that the disease is the end results and the highs to the disease are different. So if you really want that, like what I mentioned about mast cell activation which is really an alarm system that turns on so early, so you can get a physical allergies, or you can get mental, always worrying about something that you have so much time to worry about and you are already worrying about it ahead of time. So the more we are willing to be opened, the more the change will happen. And it’s important to recognize that it happens in all levels in our body. It’s a part of our survival. Every cell in our body wants to take nourishment, and it take nourishment and it let’s go what it doesn’t want. So very basic and relevant for you. For PMF is a sodium potassium pump, keeping the right membrane potential, It’s an active process with a boundary, but then there are all these receptors, insulin receptors, et cetera, that allow, for example, if insulin receptor is working well, then AMPK works well within the cell. You produce Adenosine monophosphate, kinase works well. Mitochondria is opened because another enzyme called hypoxia is shut down. Mitochondrion is opened, we produce energy very efficiently, 36 molecules of ATP for one glucose. If we are in survival mode, we are blocked. Insulin receptor is blocked and galectin-3 will do it when the alarm is on and other things as well, then AMPK shut down wakes up. There’s not enough oxygen in the tissue for example, survival mode, and then mitochondria gets shut down we move to glycolysis. Fast, emergency, inefficient. Lactic acidosis, oxidative stress, and every disease from cancer to et cetera, et cetera. So the idea is to create this space and the space starts by creating space. 

And since we are here in life, we didn’t come out of thin air we are made from endless generations of people in the past. And we have so many things affecting us. We have to create space by letting go. And that’s why my image of the breathing. When we come to this world, giving a crying exhaling and then we leave this world. Somebody sitting next to someone who is dying it’s what they do often just this profound letting go. So this is something that we do every moment in our life. If we can connect with this idea of letting go, that’s where miracles happen, when we don’t hold to our habits, because habits and co factor, , toxin and other stuff creates results. This is a highway, I mentioned how you get to the disease. If we change our habits, we can get into another highway. PMF is one way to allow a balanced wave that is not tied to a certain imbalance, right? If our body is too rigid it’s like hitting the head on the wall. I always say, hit the head on the wall. But if you create space, suddenly you’ll see the door, it’s so much easier to go through the door. So this is why I thought people have to understand the profound detail of detox it’s not talked about. It’s only talked this method and that method, and do this and do that, and then within it, then you start looking at the actual process of how you do healthy detoxification. It’s a process. And the more we understand it preemptively, and the more we prepare for it, the more effective and smooth it will be. And that’s my experience teaching and doing detox for people on all levels. From simple to intense meditation and healing retreats to filtering of the blood, which is like the literal, the whole plasma volume goes, it’s like a dialysis, which more sophisticated approach. So obviously as the experience, I see what comes out of the plasma, out of the blood, in the bag, I actually see it amazing. I actually see what’s in the blood, it’s not like I speculate it, it’s right there. So this is what I’m trying to express in the context of your specialty today.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And I think one of the things that you’re basically relating to is control.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Totally.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And what we do is we believe that we are in control. We actually are, and that’s the problem, we actually are. Things are not usually done to us, most of the time we are doing them to ourselves, by virtue of our reactions to whatever stimuli we have coming in.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Absolutely.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Right, in meditation, you learn through meditation to be able to let, as you said, let go, but you also learn how to be able to in a sense control better, more holistically .

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right, so I wanna explain, that’s a profound point. So yes, the expression of survival is reactivity, automated reactivity through the nervous system, somebody speaks rude to us, we get upset, normal response, but we don’t let it go, we hold it. It’s not like a thought. We don’t recognize the permanence changing nature of it. Let’s call reactivity. We try to create space and detoxify. So that’s a medical approach, that’s a life approach, and that’s a meditation approach. Like for example, mindfulness, which is very popular. It’s the first step only, we slow down, we become mindful and then we don’t react. But there is one organ in the body, we touch it a little bit last time but that’s key to detoxification, which shifts us from detoxification to transformation. And this is really the essence of my work. I call it “Open Heart Medicine.” Actually, it was supposed to be my first book I wrote it in Hebrew, and then I decided to come with the second book, but the book is written I’m gonna come out with it. And why it’s open heart medicine? Because the heart is the organ, the place, the center of our chest from an energetic point, is a place where we really do our work this life, where we do the fixing in Judaism, where we really transform. It’s really where we get the deep purpose of life, and why? Because the heart is only organ in the body that doesn’t behave in a survival mode, the survival of the heart is to serve others. 

So the heart is the only organ that takes everything that every cell in their body doesn’t want, right? All the dirty blood, the heart doesn’t say, “I’m gonna take it only from the liver, I’m a friend with the liver, but I don’t like the kidneys.” The body can do it by narrowing the arteries in other places. Now that’s the problem of the kidneys. like kidney artery, renal artery, stenosis, et cetera. We’ll talk about it, it’s a great topic. So the heart takes, we accept, then the heart instead of trying to do it itself is connected with the universe. There a molecule of air in our mouth is connected to the whole universe at the moment. So we exhale we let go, our drama, like you said, our control, what we do to ourselves is insignificant for the infinite space around us. As long as we keep the environment clean, that’s why global warming is an expression of inner warming, inner inflammation. And that’s why you can see and microbiome imbalances as part of the environment imbalances. It’s so obvious and I’ve been writing about it for decades, but now there is an alarm around it. so we exhale and then we get inhalation, we get oxygen. And the transformation happens in the alveoli of the lungs. And then what does the heart do? It gives without discrimination. The aorta is a stiff artery, it doesn’t go in one, it gives blood everywhere. And the first organ very important for people is the first step in healing. The first organ the heart nourishes is itself through the coronary artery. It’s an image I’m really putting out in every talk. 

We nourish ourself, self love is part of loving others, is part of nourishing others, we nourish ourself. Nourishing ourself in order to have the power to nourish others. So the survival of the heart is to serve the other, to understand the inseparability between the heart and its environment. Chinese will call the heart the emperor, and in almost every mystical tradition, the heart-mind connection it’s right there. But interestingly, it’s an image that I’ve brought to the forefront, I’m explaining the physiological basis of it. So we are built to take negative feeling, stuff from the past, connect with the universe, let go and transform it. Physically we do it, otherwise we won’t be talking now we would be dead, but we have a door to train in doing it with our mind, with our behavior. And there’s a certain meditation techniques where you take suffering, you give love and compassion , that’s where you learn them. Like within hours, you become a master in them because they’re part of our physiology you don’t need to spend decades training them. And this is really where change and transformation happens. 

So that’s when we shift from reactivity to responsiveness, whatever comes to us, our response becomes an open heart, love and compassion, and understanding. Now, when we train, for example, in meditation, which wasn’t necessarily the topic to start with, one moment we have it, one moment we don’t have it. That’s really our qualities for people from Judea, Christian tradition, I mean I am from Israel, we would say, in the Bible it says, “We were born in the image of God, but alone,” that’s the divine part in us being able to connect with this on a cellular level, on a cellular level, that’s the real healing, that’s a real transformation, but it is a profound effect on us health wise. The more we do this process, and in the moment I do wanna go over the process of detoxification because it is practical actually and not so complicated. The process of detoxification allows a change. Now, when we look at PMF at this level, we say, “Okay, now we are ready for the change, let the wave come. Let’s base in it and just let go in it, and unite with it.” If it goes through you, well, it’s not separate from the field anymore. We are part of the field, right? So you can see, I mean, right. Almost sound like the metrics, but in any case.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And also I think what you’re saying is like the PMF as it’s passing through you, it’s teaching you.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Of course, it’s not really teaching you, it’s reminding you, who you really are.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

In that sense it’s teaching. So what you do, is you have to look at your reaction to it. Just like you look at any other reaction. If I say, boo, you go like that. Or if I say boogie, you smile and say, “Oh, that’s interesting.” You have a choice, and PMFs are like that. They’re totally neutral, right? They don’t have an agenda.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Absolutely, really the ultimate image for this, again, we’re going as a theory, is a mirror. If the mirror is shining and clean, it doesn’t care what’s in the mirror, and the mirror is not changed by the reflection in the mirror. It’s our mind, like you said, it’s our holding that changes. And how do you do it? You let go, letting go is detox. And that’s why I picked this today. But as you can see, it’s taking it a little bit to uncharted territories from the point of view of providing the audience with a different level of understanding. In my experience is somebody, when I say train vertically, I started training in healing methods and martial arts when I was 15. Okay, so years of acupunctures, years of TCM, years of classic homeopathy, decades of meditation, 20 years, two months a year in the mountains, 10 years . So tens of thousands of hours, but this is really, the more I did it, the more I realized, wow, it’s actually really simple. We just forgot how to do it. And what you are saying, it’s teaching us, it’s neutral. And that’s another angle of the same universally healing principle, definitely.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

All right, so that’s a background, that’s a deep dive background in the connection. And I wanted to ask you, if you could just address for a second before we really move into the detox process, there are different levels of the heart too, right?

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So if you think in terms of the chakras, but there are, I don’t know how many levels you would describe the heart to have, one end is the basic fulfill love and the love of a child or the love of an animal or even the love of an object, a baseball or a favorite picture. At the other end is let’s say agape.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

And what? I couldn’t hear you.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Agape.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So agape basically is that kind of universal love is connected with. 

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, it’s true, and they’re relatives simple, and the universal, just like you said, their source is the same. They are actually no different, it’s just, we have a different capacity to experience different levels, and that’s really the journey of love. People often tell me, “This person is very spiritual and yeah, you should really talk to him, or interview him, or talk on it. And I say, “Yeah, it’s okay if you’re spiritual, but it’s not the key thing. Are they kind? Are they willing to do things for other, just out of sharing their heart with no agenda?” That’s really what counts, and that comes from the heart. But it’s different, people have different doors to this growth. And some people it’s very physical and certain diets, or some people it’s exercise. Some people with more energy movement like , Tai Chi, PMF. Some people is reminding how it opens in meditation. And each of us has their own combination. Some people is through religion and prayer, it’s what we call body, speech, mind in Buddhism. Physical part, expression part, and really connecting with our mind. And to connect with the depth, we have to create space. So it can penetrate, just like you said, it’s not blocked. And we also have to be honest with ourself, we can bluff in how we move, we can bluff in how we talk. All the people can catch us. 

Like, when I talk, you can feel I’m coming from my heart, it’s an experience what I’m talking about. It’s not a theory. And when we connect with our mind, we can bluff the mind, we know what’s going inside, we know what’s going inside. So it’s a journey, and it’s, in Chinese medicines, there is a theory about the discussion about honesty, how honest we are, which is one level. And again, I’m focusing on your topic. And again, how deep is our reality? How deep are we connected with the depths of our existence? Because we are, if we are living at 5% of our existence depth, most people live like at less than 1%. We can be very honest with ourselves, but it’s a very thin layer, right? That’s where suddenly things pop, memories and traumas, and suddenly, we behave in an unexpected way and a disease shows out out of the blue, didn’t come. And then as we come in, the layers get peeled, things come up. And when things come up, some of them are amazing, like, can have people meditate, amazing experiences. Some are difficult, but what do we do about it? We just let go. Like you said a few minutes ago, we don’t control. And the PMF is a method to bath in the field that will help you do it, just like other methods. But if we look at it within the detox process, now that we talk about how in depth with that, we have detox that goes all the time. All right, we said with a big breath. At night time, the digestion system rest, it let’s go the value of intermittent fasting. Different metabolisms that allows different parts of the cell to function. 

But so that’s a daily one. When we wanna do a more concerted effort, either seasonally, spring, and fall, classical, or related to a disease, or that’s when we have time, the first step is to prepare, to really think, “What do we want to let go of?” And that can be specific things on all level, physical, emotional, mental, psychological, psychospiritual, and can also be the idea that we are also letting go of deciding what we can let go of. That we don’t have an expectation, this is the hardest part to do. Then in order to detoxify, we need to expose. And again, in my chapter on detox ago, but in detail, to expose is not so simple, because the areas which are problematic tend to hide, that’s where the biofilms are. That’s where the atherosclerotic pulse is, that’s where tumors grow, cancer. Well, the coating that creates the isolation, the lattice formation, is made out of galectin-3 . So when we use respecting they develop, which is close to 80 published papers, it will dissolve the lattice formation. And that’s what you can see research on MCP in every single disease, it started with cancer, but now suddenly, so many reports in mycotoxin, in pesticides, in muscle activation, why? It’s dissolving. And suddenly, as the body can reach where it need to have changed. But then when you open the drawers, you need to be able to bind the toxins. And again, MCP is a superb binder, but people can use different binders, and then you need to remove it. And that’s where liver phase one and phase two detoxification happens. And then this is really the discharge, and then the elimination system, the gut, the breath, the skin urination. 

And it’s important to realize, just in the spirit of this talk, phase one of detoxification is being aware that there is a problem, right? The conjugation, like, stuff comes to the surface, wow! It’s toxic, it’s how to handle, right? That’s why imbalance between phase one and phase two, you get a lot of side effects. Phase two is conjugating, is saying, “Okay, let’s get you out of here.” So that’s same process of letting go. That’s why the liver deals with the past, with letting go, and the liver deals with the future, it’s the biggest factor, it’s the biggest planner in our body, it’s the general. In Chinese medicine, it’s the biggest factor for enzymes, for different molecules, it does both. That’s why it’s such a complex organ. It is often blamed for everything, it’s very unique role. We can go and understand this concept of past, present, future, we really get to our essence. So that really the positive detoxification, and within it, we have to give balance and support. We have to give energy to the body. It takes energy to detoxify. And in this sense, PMF can be a great support, because you are right there and the field is holding you, and that’s one area. And then also you wanna give, so you give some tonic herbs, blood-circulating herbs, and probiotic, prebiotic to support the gut. And so that’s really, is the process that I really, we touched on so many things and so I’m doing it briefly, and we need to recognize that there are obstacles to detoxification. It can be emotional, psychological, which I will put aside for a second, but it can be a scar from a surgery. 

It’s more often blocked detox pathways, and a lot due to heavy metals, but even more now, pesticides and mycotoxins. So pesticides, over 90% of US citizens have glyphosate in the blood, such a toxic material. And I mean, just to get a sense, 330 million pounds a year being sprayed. A pound per person, can you believe? With a dedicated a pound to us now, people who live in the Midwest next to a cornfield, you don’t wanna know, or soy field. So what happens, and the glyphosate. is an example. Yes, I do some research on it, I’m now in the middle of a clinical trial with it. It come in formulation, which are more toxic, what does glyphosate do? It disrupts the lining of the gut. So it creates leaking gut. It creates autoimmune processes. It affects the brain. It travels to the brain and exchanges with glycine and becomes a neurotoxic . It can go into different tendons. And we know very clearly it affects the kidneys, for example, much higher incidence of chronic kidney disease, the most common disease in the United States that people are not aware. So you got the glyphosate, you got other pesticide, you got all the industrial toxins. If you just, there are airplanes flying above you, that’s enough. They sprays all the MTB byproducts, small airplanes. You also get some lead. So that’s what’s happening to us. So part of it is addressing and removing these toxins, and the understanding that they affect all the aspects of our lives. They affect plants, they affect meat, they affect our water, they affect our soil. 

That’s why my specific solution, like for detox, I take solutions from all these kingdoms, because my approach is wherever there is a problem, nature will also offer a solution. So we have to address pesticide, heavy metals, in whatever way we want as part of creating the space. Because as you know, these are charged molecule, Bill, they’re gonna affect your membrane potential. Then they’re gonna make PMF not work, not allow it to do its job or other treatments, because membrane potential is different. And then they bind, and then once you get glyphosate, well, it carries aluminum into the brain. It changes the microbiome, and which is really our community within our body. It’s our relationship with the community around us. And again, so in this sense, I really wanted to give these images. So just like you said, you said PMF really is just there. The body really helps, is the one who accepts it. So I wanted to shed a little bit more lights of how to really do it, and why things don’t work, and how we can make them work better. That really was the goal of my second interview. And I think both of us needed.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

We talked, we touched on that. So what are some of the, I mean, MCP, let’s be practical in a sense, you got all these issues, and you do have to work on your mind. You have to work on your heart, you have to work on your relationships, your goals and objectives.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Of course.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Who you are, basically. But at a practical level, we’re gonna move to a point where we’re lighter, or less attached, and we’re gonna float in a sense. I’m surprised you’re not floating right now. But let’s be practical, so what do you do? How does MCP help with detox, specifically?

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Because MCP reflecting specifically is the one research factor, so it binds the galectin-3, and it neutralizes inflammatory effect, it breaks it down. So it stops the ongoing inflammatory process. It stops the cytokine storm, for example, but it also binds to heavy metals, well documented, published a number of papers. It removes heavy metals as positively-charged heavy metals, lead, mercury, nickel. It’s easy, uranium, we published a paper. And so it does this process, it allows the cell to rebalance. So in this sense, and so the issue is that sometime when you have just binders, then you get side effects. But here, you have something that regulates and stops the inappropriate survival response, inflammation, inflammaging. So MCP becomes the basis. And know, I often say, if you look at my charts, 15, 20 years ago, you will see MCP in my recommendation, you’ll see , but not for everybody. But now, when we have the recognition, it started some of these were my vision, but now it’s much bigger than me. The papers are published independently. When we understand the road, we understand why MCP is a base supplement, there is no supplement more important than this. And you won’t know it until you take it. And for some people, they’ll feel the effect in days. For some people, it can take months. We published a study on biochemical relapse of prostate cancer, where the prostate was removed and the cancer comes back, PSA goes up, and we had 80% response. 

This was a multicenter trial. And after six months, whoever responded, continued. Some people who didn’t respond, the very few, continued to take it. And they started responding after a year only, some a year and a half, but now they’re having good responses for years. The MCP didn’t kill the cancer, it allowed the immune system to take care of the cancer. What were the side effects? Less inflammation, better memory, feeling better. That’s what it does, because galectin-3 is part of driving the survival response, drives inflammation, drives fibrosis. So organ fibrosis, heart, lungs, kidney, liver, neck, IPF, brain, all, Alzheimer plaque, 20 times more, gal to regulate insulin. The brain of Alzheimer, 10 times more. Fibrotic dysfunctional. So MCP is a basis, and then there are a lot of different ways to help the liver. When you take MCP, you are binding to some mycotoxins, and when you take glyph detox, which is a product that developed specifically for pesticides and mycotoxins, and binding to negatively-charged irons. When you take them together, you now get a system that can really help in the detox. And at the same time, you’ve got to support the gut, either with diet, or with pre-probiotic. Preferably, I like liquids, so it’s alive, and not necessarily a capsule where you have tons of bacteria that may or may not work. You want to give the body a chance to change itself. And yeah, so that’s a basic principle, it’s a basic program for detox and for creating change. And then within it, of course, in many ways.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

That was an important point for me, that you made, which is that MCP not only helps you to actually bind the toxins, but it also continues to do work by decreasing the inflammation.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right, systemically. Yeah, in the arteriosclerotic part, making cancer less aggressive. we are now we are going to publish, we are collecting now, cases with metastatic prostate cancer patients, which I never expected. Not me, oncology centers are doing this. Wow, the result got surprising. And really, really surprising about, we have close to 20 cases, we want a few more. There’s bias against natural product in the oncology world, so we have to have enough to get published. But yeah, it’s surprising. And the idea is that we are reconnecting with our own ability to heal, which is so similar to what you are talking about.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Now, one of the problems that I see frequently in reading the literature on supplements is often, the trials show statistical significance. So statistically significant means you’re removing chance to a great extent. But the statistical significance is not that practical, maybe 5% or 10% improvement, or five or 10% of benefit to what you’re getting. From your work with MCP, what’s the range of benefits that you tend to see?

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Well, in prostate cancer, in our trial, we had 80% of the patients. Now, that’s a great point for people who are into science. Some doctor will say, “Oh, it was only 60 patients.” Well, guess what? If a drug helps only 10% more than placebo, you will not see the difference with 60 patients. But if you do 1000, you will see a difference, and you will get an FDA approval, but clinically, it’s meaningless. And unfortunately, many of the very expensive oncology drugs are like this, because in oncology, oncologists were trained to accept that standard of care. And success, is prolonging somebody’s life by two, three months with a lot of side effects. That’s a success. That’s tragic. And not that two, three months are not enough, but if somebody just, were on a good diet and some supplements, from the beginning, they would get these few months. We are locked, talking about changing people’s lives, and having a long term effect, but also healing people. And yeah, so in this sense, they said, “I’m now in a comfortable position, this is bigger than me finally.” It’s discovered mCPR initially, and we collaborate, we talked about it. It is really, while it started with cancer, I noticed the inflammation effect very early on in the late ’90s, 2000, that’s one of the first to patent it, to discover it. But now it’s a focus that people are really researching. That’s the topic of my grant. I’m researching treatment of sepsis by removing galectin-3 through therapeutic , I just got, in fact today, the grant is supposed to be activated, I’m waiting for the email, and then I can activate. I got a $2 million grant for my research, because there is a recognition of the role, of the like, three and half to go do my work, develop and prove it, but so far so good, my phase one grant, I got good results, that’s why I got my phase two from the NIH. So yes, so the idea, and not everybody responds to anything, and nothing is a miracle, very important to remember. We are all made differently. Just like you said, I want people to really recognize, the field is a field, how we respond to it is individual, right? And the more we create a better meal here, the better will respond. Same with the COVID right now. If you look at the COVID, the COVID wants to survive. So the spike protein is practically identical to galectin-3, its survival protein. So that’s why MCP is often helpful, and we were trying to get clinical trials. There was support for galectin-3, making COVID worse already in June, July of 2020, but it was so hard to get clinical trials with all the drugs, of course, but the idea, yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

That’s a tragedy, that the therapeutics was a tragedy, it’s a travesty and a tragedy.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, I mean, I don’t wanna say, “No, I’m open, some of the drugs are helping people,” but that’s the idea is to understand that COVID also want to survive. That’s the response of the fight with the body is a cytokine stone, so you need to reduce it. And galectin-3 drives the cytokine storm. In a very well published study from Mexico City, from the emergency room, already from 2020, by very good authors. I know the last author, she was certainly in Harvard, and we published together. They showed patient walking into the ER with COVID, unrelated to the level of lung involvement. That’s initially before the vaccines, the levels of galectin-3 in the blood determine who later on will get to the ICU, who will die, who will get sick. I’ve shown in a very important paper that when somebody comes to the hospital, to the ICU, with sepsis, with no preexisting condition, and my course as the leading expert in critical care in the world, when they come into the ICU, the level of galectin-3, it’s time of admission. No kidney damage yet, will determine who will get kidney damage yet, and more important, who is gonna die. The level of galectin-3 before a bypass surgery, and especially when they get to the cardiac ICU after bypass surgery, will determine who will get the unwanted and small percentage of acute kidney injury and will die. The two to 5%, it’s galectin-3. And now we are showing, therapeutically, it can make a difference. You can imagine the potential, if this phrases of galectin-3 will work, and why I am passionate about explaining, about modify it, respecting, because it’s a simple supplement, but it reflects a very profound understanding of really how we function in our life. That’s really a gift of nature.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

One of the things I really liked about your book is that you provide protocols. And I think it’s really critical, because I don’t often see recommendations based on level of severity. So for example, you have tables that tell you, for a more severe situation, you need higher doses, and then for maintenance, you need the following, right? And even there, probably there’s some room for maneuverability or adjustment.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Of course, so that’s the idea in the book, the book is philosophical, it’s like a aha moment for many people, from special, for doctors, for psychotherapists, and for patients in the public. But then you get 80 pages of protocol, I think was 60, a lot. And the idea it, now that you went through the journey, here is what you do. But if you just go to what we need to do, and you don’t go through the journey, it’s like, you don’t let the wave come in. Just like what we talked through this interview with you.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Yeah, and combining is very important, as you said, so different things will do, have different actions in the body, and all of them become synergistic. So for example, with detox, with PMFs, one of the most important things about PMFs in detox, and you mentioned the liver. Well, which organ in the body has the most mitochondria per cubic centimeter?

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

I will guess the liver.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

The liver.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

The liver, like the heart, the liver is constantly working, constantly working.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Constantly.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And it needs a lot of energy to do all the work that it has to do. So PMSs increase ATB production, so you could significantly enhance detoxification by say, the liver.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

So this is a concept of balance and support in which is a basis that holds detox. Absolutely, and there are certain herbs, for example, tonics, and they help detox. In this sense, I mean, because really the PMF, it provides energy and it provides balance. And once you are balanced, the mitochondria works well. It’s when they’re byproduct and you get off balance, it doesn’t work well. Yeah, totally.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

If the cells are efficient, if they’re optimized in their energy levels, which PFMs do, then they can be more efficient. And then you add some of these other factors that you still have to add. So PMFs may decrease inflammation by 20, or 30%, or 50%. But you add galectin-3 or about MCP rather to that process, now you’re going from 30% to like, 80%.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Exactly.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So small amounts of one thing or another can make a big difference in terms of .

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, if you look at CP, ’cause you look at research, you see the more respect in the research we published, you can see we published a number of synergistic effects. And different groups on, for example, we published a paper on synergism with radiation therapy in prostate cancer cells. There was a publication on ovarian cancer. There was publication with conventional treatment, not by itself only, why it opens the door. And for like you say, if the MCP can peel the block, the energy just comes, you open the dam. So MCP really is the upstream molecule right here. So if a small change in galectin-3, a small change in galectin-3 creates downstream effect. Doing my research, in animals, we’ve shown galectin-3 in sepsis spikes much before six. It will only double in level, but will go 1000 fold. Why? Because it’s downstream. So same thing here, if we can neutralize the galectin-3 effect and open the door, then you’ve got the PMF coming and providing energy.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Definitely, one plus one doesn’t equal three or two, it can be 10 or 10,000.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Exactly. You’re right.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Do you have any final thoughts ? 

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

I mean, I wanna thank you for the opportunity, and this understanding can be discussed in so many level and discussing it on an energetic level is really where I come from, I’m a healer. So it was a great joy for me. And I think, I mean, people can get a lot from the “The Survival Paradox.” It’s my first book in my early 60s. It really reflect decades of reflection and clinical experience, and spending a lot of time, and the learning from, I was privileged to be the doctor, and learn one on one from the greatest meditation masters in the Himalaya, and the same time doing research with large medical centers. And it gave me a certain understanding that my third act is really just sharing it with the world, that’s why I’m taking the time. Many people say, “Oh, Isaac, you are like the best kept secret in town. Well, now I wanna share the secret, you know? And so thank you for the opportunity.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

You’re very welcome, and I just, again, our final sort of thought, idea too, is that you’re a healer. So you are a doctor, but you’re a healer. So I make a distinction between being a doctor, being a physician, and being a healer. I did have an interview done one time, and I described these levels. So a doctor is anybody who has a degree, either be doctor of engineering, or a doctor of philosophy, or a doctor of theology, or a doctor of podiatry. You’re a doctor, you’re a technician. You have the credentials, you have the knowledge, you have the training. But that’s it, you’re essentially, you’re a technician. You’ve learned to be technical about what you’re doing. It takes another five to 10 years for people who have the potential to learn to become physicians. And now it’s no longer about the science, no longer about the gender, no longer about the the age, or the organ, now it’s about the person. That’s the physician, but very few physicians actually become healers. So I think that a healer is somebody who says, “Why did I go into medicine in the first place? I went into medicine in the first place not to make money, but I went into medicine in the first place to heal people. So at the end, you go back to where you started and know the place for the first time.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

So true, that’s why I often say, if I had a medical school, which I want, I would take the first year, send people like, to the mountains for two months to really figure out why they wanna be a doctor. And if they really connect with their heart, yes, if not, that’s not the profession for them.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Yeah, that’s where it ends, back at the heart, back to giving and recognizing our true source.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, you’re so right, so true.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Well, Dr. Healer, thank you so much again.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Thank you so much, thank you for having me.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

I offer a pass cross again.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, of course, take care.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Have a great day.