Uncover The Link Between Mold And Chronic Gut Issues

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Hey, Sinclair. It’s a pleasure. Yeah. Life’s crazy. The numbers are crazy. Even the CDC, who people may not feel 100% in love with them, even their numbers are crazy now, which is we’re seeing massive, massive incidents of chronic illness in children now that we’ve never seen ever, ever, ever. In fact, more than half of all kids now are said to have chronic illness. So this is scary. Now, of course, that number changes based on age range, but I’m seeing one year olds with major skin issues. They’re already visiting dermatologist at one years old. Now I’m seeing two and three year olds visiting ENT doctors and getting tubes left and right, and getting put on antibiotics, which damages their mitochondria and sets them up for chronic fatigue by the time they’re a teenager and they want to play sports. So I’m seeing this whole spectrum of issues not only from, things being done externally in the food, the water, the air, but internal things like antibiotics, mold, toxins, pesticides, chemicals, heavy metals. I’ve said this before in other places, but I’ll say it here to just start this off with a bang is that the most toxic people on planet Earth right now, according to me, testing, over 2000 people are children under age ten. So the people in their seventies, eighties that may be listening to this in general on average, they are cleaner in regards to the chemical profile that we run via urine testing. They’re cleaner because the first 60, 70 years of their life potentially were relatively clean, the 1940s, 50, 60, 70s, 80s, even into the 90s, relatively low toxicity in terms of glyphosate and these other disrupters to the gut, then you really start early 2000 things really change. We have exponential growth like a hockey stick in regards to hundreds of millions of pounds of glyphosate dicamba 2, 4-D, which was a part of Agent Orange, used to defoliate the trees in Vietnam so we could see through the trees to hit the Vietnamese people via the air. These chemicals are now at exponential levels from just a few decades ago and what that’s done even in parts per billion levels is it damages the good bacteria in the gut. Now, when you don’t have good bacteria in the gut, now you’re not producing B vitamins. People don’t realize that your gut is not only the place where you’re absorbing. Hopefully if you don’t have infections, hopefully you’re absorbing your food. But this is also the literal manufacturing plant, if you will, of some of your nutrients. So your B vitamins, a lot of these things happen. There’s some really cool magic that happens in the intestinal tract and those B vitamins combine with amino acids. So that you can have proper sleep. So tryptophan you can get it from your diet, you can supplement, tryptophan. Well, if you don’t have adequate tryptophan and or you don’t have adequate B6 because your gut bacteria have been damaged by these pesticides in the food supply, well, now you can’t make adequate serotonin. So now you’re anxious, you’re irritable, you have OCD, obsessive thoughts, negative thoughts. You worry all the time. You have trouble getting to sleep. You need wine, you need cannabis, you need GABA, you need Passionflower or whatever to chill out. Then you wake up in the middle of the night, you don’t wake up refreshed. This could all be linked back to the brain chemistry issue, which came from the nutrient in amino acid deficiency, which came from the disrupted gut microbiome which came from the chemicals. So when you really picture the domino effect of how someone ends up in a psychiatrist office seeking antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication, you really have to go four, five, six, seven steps back to identify the toxicity that started this whole thing off.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah, I really appreciate you laid that out for folks because I think it’s so easy to gloss over this or just to refer to it like, “Oh yeah, and it’s the toxins” and then just keep moving. But when you actually look at what has gone wrong, then you understand why everybody feels like they do. You’ve seen this. You’ve helped thousands and thousands of people in your practice. You were saying 50% of the folks who come through are pediatric cases.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Yeah. It’s huge. I didn’t really market myself as a pediatric functional medicine practitioner. I’ve had friends like Dr. Alyssa Song. She’s been amazing. I met her years ago with Mindshare and she really started my kind of interest in kids. Then, of course, having three children of my own now, I’m forced to be my own pediatrician, essentially, because we’ve had not good luck with even the more integrative pediatricians. I’ve always been a step ahead of them in regards to protocols for ear issues, throat issues, strep, Lyme, co-infections, mold, all the stuff my family’s been through. Now that sector has grown significantly, now I see kids almost every day, whereas before it was like a once a week, once a couple weeks, and now it’s every day I’m seeing kids, which I truly love. Honestly, I’ve debated doing just pediatrics because I love kids so much. When you can take a kid who’s eight years old and he’s the only kid in the neighborhood who can’t ride a bike because he has so much mold toxin in him that his cerebellum has been damaged. That’s the part of the brain over here where it helps you with proprioception. Where do you put your feet in space? How do you operate in a three dimensional world? Well, you have to have a good functioning cerebellum to be able to do that. Unfortunately, most of these children, they’ve had mold exposure from their home, from their mother, through the placenta, through breast milk, through their school, through their daycare, through their church. If their bucket’s already full of food and chemical toxins, they can’t handle this mold on the brain. So they can’t ride a bike. They have balance issues and they don’t do as well in sports. So when you can take a kid who’s being bullied because he has to do a scooter because he can’t figure out a bike, and then now he can ride a bike and now he’s the cool kid. That’s awesome. Like that’s really rewarding. When you take a kid who’s three and they’re nonverbal, they can’t speak, and then you do a follow up six months later and the mom is crying not because she’s sad, but because she’s happy, because the kid says 50 words now. That’s incredible. That’s the stuff that makes me keep going and prevents me from burn out because that stuff is just it’s rocket fuel for my spirit.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

So beautifully said. I couldn’t agree more. You and I have both been through our own journeys of having to heal ourselves from mold illness, and all the other things and having to heal our families, too. So what I really want to dive into today with you in depth is the the mold and the dysbiosis connection piece, because you’re really eloquent on this topic. I really want to zoom in on how mycotoxins contribute to specifically bacterial overgrowth candida issues. Everybody is zooming in and blaming like, “Oh, it’s the Candida kill Candida.” But they’re really not seeing zooming out enough to see like what are these underlying root causes.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Yeah. You and I were talking preshow here about like I need to do another summit because it’s been six years since I did my last summit on Candida. I’d probably have to go back and listen. I’ve probably sound like a dummy back then compared to what I know now. I mean, I’ve learned so much in the last six years. It’s ridiculous, so 2018, when I really got hit with the mold. Then I look back at all these cases that I was working on five, six, seven, eight, nine years ago. What we would do is I was the gut guy for a long time and I still am, but I would work on parasites. H pylori, bacterial overgrowth, SIBO, CIFO, Candida, these fungal issues, and yeast issues. We would have really good success, but then there was this growing percentage of the population where they would relapse and so they would do really well on the natural medicines we were providing way better than conventional approach. But then two or three months later they’d call back and they’d be like, Hey, like I’ve got this bloating again or this burping or this gas or this yeast infection or this coated tongue or sugar cravings or brain fog. What do I do? I’m like, “Well, let’s just rotators, let’s do this and let’s do that.” It worked great. But then we had to rotate again. I’m like, okay, we’re on, we’re on the merry go round still. It’s like, okay, this is the functional medicine merry go round still far better than antibiotics and all the proton pump inhibitors and other medications that are going to lead to severe issues later, like, for example, acid blocking medications commonly used in chronic gut issues. That’s going to increase your risk of osteopenia, osteoporosis as you get older. So if you fall and break your hip at 65, you might not ever be the same and that could be the path you go down. So I was going down this natural functional path instead, and then I got sick with mold. Then I started testing everyone else for mold. Now apparently I’m number one in my state and then like number six or seven worldwide for running the most mycotoxins testing. What I can tell you is almost everyone’s got mold, at least the people I’m seeing now, these are a biased population. Because they all have chronic issues. They’ve been they’ve been to ten, 20 doctors before they call me. I’m kind of biased. But it appears that the vast majority of the population has mold. I think it’s probably the biggest epidemic right now that we’re facing as the biggest driver of chronic health issues because it has endocrine system effects. So, Zearalenone is a mycotoxin that’s highly estrogenic. So we see lots of women with breast cancer and other estrogen related issues, PMS in your cycling menstruating age, and then massive issue in perimenopause and menopause with hot flashes, loss of libido, vaginal dryness, depression, bone brittleness, etc. poor sleep. So there’s the endocrine effect of mold. You have the neurological effect of mold. 

Dr. Dale Bredesen is doing an incredible job of now illustrating the link between mold and Alzheimer’s, mold and dementia, potentially mold and Parkinson’s. So now we’ve got the neurological piece of this. You could go on and on into other pieces, but to keep it short for today, we’ll jump right into the gut. So you’ve got the neurological, the hormonal, and then the gut piece. So it appears that mold is really the bad guy. At the back in the nightclub, he opens the back door. He lets all these scrubs move in. They’re going to tear the place out. They’re going to rip stuff off the walls. They’re going to just make a mess. That’s the bacterial overgrowth, the Candida, the parasites, all the things that I kind of was spotlighting for a while, but I don’t see the dude at the back of the club, so he’s got the door open still and I’m killing all these bugs and they come back in. I’m like, “My God, what do I do?” Now I figured out, if you just get rid of the mold, you will play whack a mole, meaning if you’re treating these gut infections, you’re going to play whack a mole. You might kill strep, but then staph remains. You might kill Klebsiella and Morganella remain. You might kill Blaster, which is a parasite. 

But H. pylori remains because you didn’t address their partner. Because h pylori is very contagious via kissing, saliva, oral sex, intercourse, etc. I mean, it’s very easy. Doesn’t even have to be intimate. You could pass this between your family members to your children. So these infections could be a massive roadblock. But if mold still in the picture, you’re never fully going to beat these bugs and stay on top of them. So every protocol involving gut health, whether you’re doing antibiotics, which I don’t recommend or you’re doing my recommendation, natural herbal antimicrobials, antifungals, anti yeast, antiparasitic herbs. At the same time, we’re always supporting the liver and we’re bringing in some sort of detoxification support for the mold. So that could be sweating, that could be clay, charcoal, silica, pectin, humic acid, fulvic acid, microRNAs chlorella, cilantro, meats. There’s a million different options now.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Right?

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

But that’s part of every protocol.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

What I think is really important about what you’re saying is helping people to prioritize and understand what they should be asking for from their practitioners and looking for in their protocols. We give people who are like, okay, I get that. I have mold. I heard you on a summit or I listened to Evan Brand or something, but and so what should I go after? Should I go to the mold, H pylori? I think I have bigger parasites. I have these neurological issues. Can I just wait to deal with the mold until we deal with these things? 

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Well in a way. 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

You look at this in a different way.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Yeah, I’ll comment on that. So. So in a way, the answer is yes, you can support these brain fogged, exhausted, depressed, anxious people. We can support them through the use of specific adaptogenic herbs. Maybe we’ll pick rhodiola at a higher dose to provide some antidepressant anti-fatigue physical stimulation benefits. We may put in Mother Ward for the grief, the trauma, the heart, palpitation is the irregular heartbeat, the A-fib, those scary things. We may pull in PharmaGaba to help settle the nervous system at night so they can downshift and get to bed. We may pull in Boswellia or Ginger, other things to help with that act as herbal inflammatories. Or we may come in and provide electrolytes because mold screws up your electrolyte balance and they have pots. So when they stand up out of their garden, they feel like they’re going to faint, will come in and support them for that. Then we might come in, stabilize the thyroid, stabilize the gut, maybe using some anti-inflammatory nutrients for the gut, and then putting in like a professional multi organs, etc. So we’ll try to stabilize them and get them feeling a little better because if you’re dependent upon willpower only to get these miserable people out of the hole, they’re going to crash and burn. So I try to meet them where they are and then bring them up a good 20, 30%. So they’re like whatever. I’m like, I can actually get out of bed today. I think actually I’m going to stick to the diet and I actually am going to like take my supplements on time and be consistent with this. But if you just throw something at them and you don’t help them out of that hole first, at least get them to ground level, they’re going to fall back in.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah. What’s surprising to me is they’re the only other person I’ve heard say that. That’s our a core foundational piece of our practice. I cannot believe how many practitioners are essentially telling a sick person’s body, I’m going to add to your to do list, even though you’re already on the back foot, your Krebs cycle is all kinds of messed up. You do not have enough mitochondrial function to do this. I’m just going to pile on work for your body right now with the supplements we’re giving you. But if it’s all natural

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Well said. That’s a beautiful way if you describing it and that’s exactly what’s happening because I’m seeing these protocols that are 30, 40 supplements long from chiropractors, naturopaths, other people and number one, the thing that always bugs me is the protocols are never, well, like designed in a way that they’re easy to do or easy to read. It’s like four pages. I got a client yesterday, she came from a naturopathy and a chiropractor put together a functional protocol, the actual nutrients, and it looked pretty good, but it was four pages. This lady had to flip through every morning and it’s like in small font, like four of these two times a day with breakfast, but not 30 minutes before, 30 minutes after. I was like, I’m going to condense this to one table. It’s going to be on one sheet, is going to take up half of one page. Everything we need to do is on half of one page. Like that alone she was ready to cry. She’s like, Thank God. 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Why are you doing that to brain foggy people? HelloThis is not going to be a success strategy here.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Then think about, for practitioners listening, think about how that’s going to affect your numbers, your reviews, your outcome, your amount of referrals you’re getting. So practitioners need to wake up to this as well because if you want to have a successful practice, you have to make it easy, you have to make it streamlined and you have to make it effective. If it’s not those things, you’re not going to get a referral. These people are going to give up on you and they’re going to say, no. Doctor Johnny here gave me 40 things I could not possibly keep up. I spent five grand and now I’m pissed.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I think this is the piece where you and I, having been so sick, each of us. So we have the ability to stand in some issues and remember what that’s like. I think that’s part is really crucial, honestly.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Yeah. I mean there’s blessing in the suffering. I think that I probably would not be as good at what I do if I hadn’t suffered so much because every time I go to recommend something, I’m like, How do they feel with me throwing this at them?. Let me give him a little backstory here, and I’m going to tie it into me, how I needed this and how this got me through. People love that. They like that more than than anything.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah, I think it’s so important. I always tell people, I want you to be I want to be irrelevant in your whole journey as soon as possible, which means you’ve got to learn what every tool is doing and why. You got to be the CEO of your own help. I can be a consultant or a navigator, and you still got to drive the bus.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Okay. We agreed. I want to tie this back to the gut here, because what’s also happening is that the trauma itself of being sick, I think, can get locked in certain places in the body. There’s many books about this that the body keeps the score and many others about these locations, if you will, of where traumas are being located. I believe the gut is one of the big top places where these traumas are being stored. That doesn’t necessarily mean some type of abuse. Okay. I’m talking the trauma of being sick, meaning doing the doctor’s visits, waiting in the waiting office, doing the scans, doing the MRI’s, the X-rays, going. I mean, it’s a lot to deal with that system. You get a bill a year later and the insurance started out like it’s a lot. So I encourage people to really check in with themselves on that. Maybe you need to go sit under a tree and listen to the birds doing this. Maybe you can do this while you’re watering. If you have some flowers, if you don’t go buy some flowers, outdoor water, your flowers plant some lavender. You can integrate smells into this as well. So if you’d like to bring in some orange essential oil, the lavender would be great. Rosemary, do something to try to activate these different parts of the brain. 

There’s several companies out there that do like neurofeedback for children and they integrate smells into their therapies. I’ve kind of borrowed some of these ideas in regards to smells activating the brain. What I find is if people bring smells in, it then like downshifts the nervous system to where they can recognize, “Oh, wait, I am traumatized from that hospital stay, that E.R. visit, etc. and I’m going to let that go now because I’m on a new path now and we’re choosing to go a different way.” This is an empowering path. This is not a fear based path. This is an encouraging path. This is a path that someone else has done before. This is not crazy. I will be okay. I will be able to get my way out of this. That’s an important shift to make, because if your nervous system is still stuck in fight or flight and you’re trying to go into a protocol, I’m not going to say it won’t work because I’m sneaking little things in there to work on your nervous system. I need you to play ball with me too, and I need you to do the work. So take a frickin’ bath. Like how simple. I asked women all the time in their 40s, 50s, 60s. When’s the last time you take a bath, would you believe? It’s like one out of 100 women actually sit down and take a bath. But why? Why are you ladies not taking bath? You can’t be that busy. Come on.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I can answer that question, bath saved my life when I was really sick.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

So when’s the last time you took a bath?

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I get in a hot tub every night. It’s hydrogen water and it’s structured. So I get, like, a water treatment on the way to bed.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Oh, okay. That sounds phenomenal. I’m proud of you. Okay, well, the average answer is never. 

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Take your little speaker in there and put on some classical. I really like Handel. If people are looking for a classical composer Handel, he’s amazing. Bach is kind of too dark and heavy for me. So Handel is just incredible. So look up him. Find like a three hour. You could look up water music from Handel. That’s an incredible one to put on and I want you to really shift out of this chronic state that you’re in, because it’s a vital piece to healing your gut because of the impact of the stress hormone on the gut barrier. So you could be gluten free, dairy free, grain free, you could be working on the best probiotics, the best antimicrobials. But if you’re just raving, raving, raving 9000 R.P.M. and that engine, you’re eventually going to blow a gasket. That means you’re going to mess up your gut barrier because of your chronic stress, your repressed anger, etc.. So integrate smells, take a bath, listen to classical, get a massage. I mean, these are simple things that go a long way.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah, I totally agree. I actually love what you just laid out because I really wanted to talk about neurotransmitters next and their relationship to the gut. But before we do, I just want to tie this in a nice package here, because what we’re really talking about is how trauma lives and persists in the gut. It’s not just bad things that happened to you in the past. It’s the trauma of living through being ill. One of the fascinating statistics that I really caught my attention about this is how your lymphatics the mesenteric. So in the gut, the lymphatics in the gut can actually scar from trauma and stress. It becomes very difficult to drain and function properly in the gut itself when you have this trauma based scarring there. So anything you can do to support the nervous system and lymphatics as you go through that process, like what you’re talking about is extremely accessible. People can do what you’re laying out.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

How do you approach that scarring? Are you talking, adding like lymphatic support herbs like cleavers root or you’re adding systemic enzymes like lumbrokinase? What are you talking about?

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

It depends on the stage of healing. When we look at it from the beginning, we just got to get it ready draining, like if you’re not pooping, you cannot work on your lymphatics. Get real. You’ve got to have the exit pathway open because otherwise you’re just going to back up everywhere else in the body. So I think there’s an order of operations to it getting the bowels moving. If they’re not, getting they’re got a little bit of motility going first, bringing up the mitochondria support. Then you can bring in things like Manchista, Redwood, I like Baluchi and Serrapeptase suppositories. Those are great to really get at that scarring, especially for women who have like fibroid issues and stuff also.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

That’s cool. So you’re going rectal with the lumbrokinase?

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah, because it’s a lot to get that kind of stuff to the stomach acid and poor dysregulated digestion. That’s a crapshoot anyway.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

That’s cool. Yeah, it’s pricey but it’s great. She’s referring to an earthworm derived enzyme. So it’s an incredible tool and I think everybody should pretty much be on it if they’ve had the virus or injections like you really need to maintain healthy coagulability. So healthy blood flow and that’s a critical tool for that.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

That’s beautifully said. Okay, so let’s dive into your thoughts on neurotransmitters and the relationship to healthy gut function and what goes wrong in that neurotransmitter gut access when we have mold driven issues in the gut and what’s the cascade effect there?

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Well, there’s a cool paper specifically about Ochratoxin. So Ochratoxin is probably one of the most common mycotoxins that we see. It comes from the mold aspergillus and aspergillus is one of the most common molds that we see in water damaged building. So this is a paper I mean, this is really old, but I mean, very valuable. This is a neuro toxicology journal in 2006. It’s just called acute neurotoxic effects of fungal metabolite Ochratoxin. Long story short, what we found is that the part of the brain that makes dopamine is damaged by Ochratoxin. This is a rat study or a mice study. But the people that I’m seeing clinically that has this, they’re abbreviating it as OTA, they have a depletion of their dopamine. 

So when we do a urine test and we measure mycotoxins, we can directly correlate the mycotoxins that they have to their brain chemistry issues. Everyone that has Ochratoxin, which is almost everyone anyway, they all have low dopamine. These are the people that have lack of energy, lack of drive, lack of focus, lack of concentration, They get easily bored, like maybe they’re literally scrolling on Tik Tok while they’re listening to this talk. It’s like, put that down for a second and focus and if you can’t focus, then you need help with dopamine. How do you do that? Well, you got to get the mold out of you. So it will stop depleting your ability to produce dopamine in the brain. But then also you can supplement specific amino acids like tyrosine, or we can use DL phenylalanine, which act as a precursor for the catecholamines. These are the building blocks of your brain chemistry and you could significantly change someone’s mental focus, clarity and function within just a few weeks. This is what I was telling you earlier, is that we got to get people out of that hole first, get them to ground level. These are one of the tools you used to get them to ground level. So then they feel focused enough to stick to the frickin’ protocol to get themselves better.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Oh, I love that. It’s just so practical and I really don’t care about being a leading edge scientist and leave that to the people that can put the studies together. I want to see people get well and it needs to be really, really practical and doable.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

I’ve heard some controversy about this whole the gut serotonin thing. We talk about 90, 95% gut where serotonin is made. Somehow that doesn’t correlate to the brain serotonin. I really don’t get lost in the weeds of that stuff because like people can they pick you say one study, somebody else throws another study in your face and says you’re wrong. Here’s what I do. I just focus on the clinical outcome. Like if I was just a scientist guy and I just did podcast and all that and I wasn’t working with people one on one, then I probably get a little bit worried and maybe fearful that I’m missing something because this new study came out and oh, crap, we need to rethink everything. Every year it’s like we have to rethink everything every year and everything just feels so ungrounded. But I’m grounded in the results, so I feel like I will always want to be in the trenches with these people because a paper may say this and it goes viral, but then I see the total opposite clinically. I’m like, Well, I’m going to keep doing this because it’s working. I just encourage people to not give up and to not get bogged down at a certain point. You got to close PubMed, you got to close Google Scholar, you got to close Science Daily. Whatever you’re reading, hearing, listening to. Eventually you got to just stop and just trust someone who’s done this before and let them guide you because you’re going to wear yourself out. I mean, these clients sometimes are staying up till 3 a.m. researching and then they’re burned out and then they’ve got 50 like debate questions like, well, I heard this and read this and saw that and it’s like just it’s okay, I’m going to guide you.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah, I think that’s really well said. We have to stick to practicality steps here. We look at like clinically what are the stages of healing, especially when you have complex gut conditions. I also really invite people to get a little smarter about the scientific industrial complex. Who pays for those studies? Why are universities getting underwritten for certain projects versus other ones? You’re not going to see studies on some of the most important things that Evan and I do in our practices, because there’s no money in it for anybody else to be made because you become independent, you become a success story instead of a customer. There’s a lot about this medical industry that requires customers to not get well. So there’s a little bit of discernment that needs to go into that. I can’t stand when people interview me and they’re like, Well, if you look at the literature like, okay, well, who pays for the literature? Are you helping people get well right now? That’s what I want to know.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Yeah. There are some good papers out there. Luckily, I don’t know who paid for them or how they existed, but like Rhodiola, there’s a paper on it talking about fatigue. I don’t remember the number. I mean, we could look it up, but we’d bore people. But they take this amount of tired people and they get placebo here and they give Rhodiola Rosea, also known as the Golden Root, one of my favorite adaptogenic herbs. They pulled me out of massive depression in my twenties, massive fatigue. So there’s a paper on it and it’s like, this stuff is incredible. You’ll find a Luterol, Siberian ginseng, you’ll find licorice papers, and glutamine papers and GABA papers. So there are there are cool things there, but but yeah, you’re right. There’s a big incentive in sickness, unfortunately. Like I had a family member in pharmaceutical sales and apparently cancer drugs have some of the most significant markup of any drug there is. I think it’s somewhere I’ve heard don’t quote me or come after me people, but it’s like 10,000 X markup. Like a vial costs this much and it’s sold for 10,000 X. I mean, just crazy stuff.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Oh, that’s depressing. Yeah. I’m only all I’m advocating for is discernment. When we’re looking at this research and to really focus and work with the practitioner that gets you. So on that note, because you’re this is really your line here, I want to talk about treating mold colonization naturally. What are some of the steps that you recommend people look for in?

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Sure. So I talked to Dr. Neil Nathan. He wrote a great book called Toxic. He’s an MD older guy who’s been doing this longer than me. We had this talk, I wouldn’t call it a debate, but we had this talk. He kind of acted like that itraconazole, fluconazole, myostatin, these typical prescription antifungals, anti yeast agents would be required to address mold colonization. Mold colonization, the idea here is that you’ve been exposed long enough, a big enough amount, into your immune system was weak to where you’re now growing it. You’re colonized is a simple way to put it. This could be in the sinuses. It could also be in the gut. So these drug agents, we also did a podcast with Dr. Andrew Campbell. He’s another M.D. and he’s a big fan of, I believe, Itraconazole for this. He works with a lot of breast implant illness. I see tons of breast implant illness clinically as well. That’s one of the main locations of mold colonization, by the way. 

So one of the important questions on my intake form for all new clients is do you have implants of any kind anywhere? A lot of these sick women coming in with 70 symptoms, they have implants. And I tell him, you got to go and get them out. They say, well what, if I don’t want to be flat chested, I’ve had all these kids and I’m like, I don’t know, do you want to thrive? I’m like, I’m trying to help you thrive.So I don’t know. It’s a tough I don’t know the answer to the flat chest part. But I will say this, that the amount of suffering I’ve seen from breast implant illness is huge. When we look on this test, the organic acids in the urine, you’re spitting out these fungal metabolites. That’s the cool thing. The urine provides so much data in terms of your brain, your nutrients like pee is just phenomenally data rich. With that, we can see if you’re growing or colonized with mold and then we tie it to the implants or we tie it to the previous house or the condo or the vacation home or the Mexico trip or whatever. Then we come in with herbal antifungals that we put up the nose and into the gut. I have countless case studies before and after completely eradicating the colonization, not using a single pharmaceutical antifungal anti yeast agent. So I could tell you that not only is it possible it’s extremely effective to do this naturally, and the side effect profile is virtually nonexistent, maybe a little more brain fog as you’re killing it maybe a little more anxiety or depression as you’re killing and or detoxing, maybe some more fatigue, maybe some mold rage, some irritability, short fuze. But most of those symptoms were already there when you started. So if it changes we’re okay with that.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah. That’s so important to make that distinction. So what would you say to folks who feel like they’re working that pathway right now and are still struggling or haven’t made progress? But you see some of the common mistakes people make in treatment.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Well, the dosing is the tricky thing because a lot of these people, they become very sensitive. They either develop some sort of histamine intolerance or massive activation due to these triggers like mold. Sometimes you run into the issue where someone like I had a woman yesterday, she can only handle one drop of a tincture and she’s supposed to get up to 60 drops. I’m like, Honey, full dose of 60. You’re at one week. We got to get you up there. I say it in a loving way, but I’m like, we got to settle your nervous system down. Like your mouth cells are going crazy. You’re totally stressed. You’ve got all this real estate, financial debt, it out on your plate. Like we’ve got to work through that because that’s affecting this. If you want me to get better and help you get better in that timeline I gave you, like we got to try to ramp it up a little bit. So there’s that category of the population where they’re stuck at extremely low doses because they’re so sensitive, because they’re so triggered by their own personal life and toxicities. 

Then you have the other end of the spectrum. It’s the guy who never complains his wife dragged him into this. He feels fine. Even though he has erectile dysfunction. He’s on Viagra, he’s on blood pressure medication. He’s on acid blocking medication. Yeah. He can’t sleep. He’s got a big belly. He’s 40 pounds overweight. He’s going bald. His skin looks terrible. He’s got dark circles under the eyes, but he’s quote fine. So those guys, it’s hard to pull information out of them. Women,  you open up one question, they could take 20 minutes to answer. Men, it’s like one sentence. It’s like, I didn’t notice much. I’m like, well, on your labs, we’ve significantly fixed the bacterial overgrowth, your brain chemistry is way better, your nutrient levels have doubled, you’re not deficient in glutathione anymore. Your mold levels have dropped 80%. You sure you don’t feel anything? Let’s check in on this list here. Are you depressed? No, I’m not depressed anymore. Oh, okay. So we’ve reversed your depression. Okay, great. Moving on. How is your weight? I lost about 25 pounds. Oh, okay. So you lost 25 pounds and you had that belly since after college. Okay, cool. How your sleep? I can’t complain. Oh, well, before you couldn’t sleep terribly and you were exhausted. You remember that? Oh, yeah, I guess you’re right.. So that’s the thing I have to work through. It’s either the sensitive one here or that guy. Then in between, there’s some lovely cases that are easy. But the mistakes I’m seeing because I don’t know if that really answered it. The mistakes, I would say, are probably lack of detail meaning like so Mercedes they did a recall, two and a half million Mercedes got recalled for mold growing in their HVAC system.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

So like if you’ve got mold in your car and you’re blowing that out your vents and you’ve got, I don’t know, hour two in your car every day, like that’s something we’ve got to fix and address. If you had a leak, you got it fixed, but you haven’t really doubled check to make sure everything’s okay in your home. You’re just assuming that little target air purifiers good enough like that might not cut it. Then you still have alcohol five nights a week that might not cut it. Or you take a trip and you drink tap water and now you’ve got new gut issues like that has to be addressed. So I think it’s just the details, to be honest with you, like most people can handle the low hanging fruit, the probiotics, the nutrients, the mitochondrial support and all of that. But it’s the really the extra details or potentially turning over a rock we haven’t turned over yet. Like, for example, we had a woman yesterday who we suspected it was just mold, but she grew up in Ohio. That’s like one of the tech capitals of the world. Her symptoms just sounded too weird. She had extreme EMF sensitivity and chemical sensitivity and other things. So luckily she listened to me. We ran the panel and she showed positive for Bartonella. So Bartonella is a bacteria that could totally derail your mold recovery because it’s a bacteria that comes from mosquitoes, ticks, fleas, lice, spiders, and that bacteria can live the capillaries. It’ll create neuropathy and numbness and tingling and anxiety and depression and mood swings and irritability and mold can do a lot of that, too. So we were pursuing mold, but a year end she hadn’t gotten better with some symptoms. Then we looked there and now we go, Oh, there’s Bartonella. So I guess the mistake said in a shorter way is missing something. That’s a mistake because that one bacteria is going to significantly remove the cap on her results. So on a scale of one to 10 without fixing the bartonella, we might have got her up to a six out of ten. Now that we found Bartonella, we’re going to get her up to at least a nine.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah, that’s such a great point. I love the way you lay that out there for everybody, because I think that happened to so many of us. For me, I added extra years onto my journey because I didn’t know what I was missing and it’s so common. So it’s why you really need to choose your practitioner for care. Please be super discerning, expect more out of them. I think, we only have time for one more question and I really want to zoom in on something you mentioned earlier that’s so important, especially post injection, post-the vid and that’s mast cells dysregulations. So, MCAS, Mast Cells Activation Syndrome, talk about the relationship between that set of symptoms and molds and what people should be thinking about for specifically in terms of that.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Yeah, well, let’s look at a visual real quick because this will help. Pictures, a thousand words. So the mast cells in your body are everywhere. I mean, you’ve got them in your sinus cavity. This is why if you get exposed to someone’s laundry detergent and dryer sheets like I smelled this morning, dropping my kids off for school, those fragrances, toxins, chemicals, mold, etc. can activate these mast cells. Mast cells are in your gut, which is you also have ACE2 receptors in the gut. So viruses can create lack of a better word, flares, if you will. More accurately, the term would be it can create degranulation of the mast cell. And picture these green little buggers on this image here as the degranulation. So toxins, infections, all of those things can essentially poke more holes and degranulate this mast cell more. Think of it as a balloon full of histamine and tryptase and other inflammatory cytokines and all of these things we’re talking about create more of a release from the mast cell. So the mast cells are supposed to be pretty chill, but in the modern world, the mast cells are not chill because of the onslaught of these various things from the air, food, water, viruses, laboratories, etc. Now these mast cells are really pissed and so you’re leaking histamine out of these things all the time, and that’s going to cause flushing anxiety, chemical sensitivity. EMF sensitivity, mood issues because histamine is also a neurotransmitter. When most people listen to this and I say histamine, you think allergies. But it also affects the brain quite a bit. These are the cases where people just they’re kind of off their rocker. They have no patience. Their fuze is extremely short. This is not a rare occurrence by the way, I suspect the vast majority of people with a chronic illness have some level of mast cells activation, and there’s not really a good test for this. This is more of a clinical diagnosis. Looking at the issues, matching it to the symptoms, and then coming up with a plan. If you come in and stabilize the mast cells like have a formula that I use called histamine nasal support, it has Perea Leaf, it has guduchi, tinospora, quercetin. If we use something like that in a season there, if we use that and then they’re better, they’re less reactive, they can tolerate higher doses of supplements, etc. They’re less EMF sensitive. They could be around wifi again without having a headache, those sort of things. Then we know, okay, good. It was mast cell. Now we’ve calmed it down. Now let’s fix the triggers so the mast cells can stay calm. But this is just to be clear. This is in effect. So like if you just pursue mast cell, because there are some mast cell experts out there, if you just pursue that and fix that, that doesn’t mean you’re necessarily better in the other categories. Okay. It’s kind of like if you.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Got a root cause.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Yeah, it’s kind of like if you had diarrhea and you go and take something to stop the diarrhea, did you truly fix the diarrhea? No, because you just stopped it from happening so you could stop these mast cells from firing by stabilizing them using nutrients, natural antihistamines, prescription antihistamines. But you still got to work backwards to what really set this whole thing off in the first place. That’s, I think, another mistake where people get stuck or they end up on this plan that they’re afraid to get off of because they can’t because the plan is more of a Band-Aid, which is a natural Band-Aid better than a pharmaceutical Band-Aid, but still a Band-Aid.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah, that’s a really well, that’s a great way to put it.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

So let me say one thing real quick. Last thing. Okay. This is important. Ketamine. Ketamine is an incredible tool. So it’s an anesthetic. It’s been around for a long time. There’s a lot of clinics popping up everywhere. You can price shop on this. Typically, a nurse, psychotherapist are on staff. You get an I.V. one to two hours. I’ve done a podcast on it. You could look it up. Even Brand ketamine talked about it for an hour with a lady named Dr. Stephanie Coleman, who runs a clinic on this. It’s an incredibly transformative tool to reset the nervous system like no other tool I’ve ever seen. Ever. So this is something that you may need to integrate if you’re just really stuck in the hole.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Awesome. Yeah, I think that’s a great point. I mean, there’s a lot of gems that we covered today for folks who are suspecting low toxicity, experiencing mast cells activation syndrome. It really stuck, as you describe it in the hole. I need to get back to ground level in order to do the deep healing in there. Practitioners are skipping that chapter, so thank you so much for your wisdom today. Evan. I just love your heart and your commitment to your patient population and really spreading the word about this piece. It’s a scary thing to look at our population today and look at how fast people have gotten sick. But the good news is the tools are there. We just need to up our game as practitioners and people need to get more discerning about how they’re spending their time getting well.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Yeah, amen to that. We could do two hours together. Can I comment on the practitioner thing or we got to go.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Absolutely. Do it.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Okay. So practitioners are people too. We have our own issues with ourselves because that’s likely why we got into this, because we were suffering and we wanted answers. We have children that can wear us out and we’re focusing on the kids and all of that. So just try to give back the same love that you expect. I mean, it’s the golden rule. That’s what it boils down to because I see the good, I see the bad, I see the ugly. These people that can’t help the way they are because they’re so sick and angry of being sick and angry and so sometimes you get these novels of symptoms. I mean, as long as the Bible. Then they want you to tell them what to do next via email.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

That’s not possible, guys.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Okay.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Let’s set some patience here.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

And then if you don’t reply or if you reply like simple or like you don’t give them the answer they want to hear and you don’t write a Bible back then there’s an issue. These things, as get tricky, get complicated. So just talk with them, talk with your people, talk this stuff out. It’s easy in the digital world to want to just hide behind your keyboard, your screen and voice, to text all your anger, but have these heart to hearts like this if you can face to face like that. You’ll find that a lot of your issues worries, things like that, get settled pretty quick.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah, that’s a really beautiful point to end on. We’ve been really intentional about who we take into our practice for this reason and our students. We train everybody up in our marketing before we even let them in. Like there’s no whining in our forums, there’s no blaming the practitioners, there’s hey, we’re on the same side, we’re working on this project together and you’re taking full responsibility so that we can hold the container and help you or you’re not ready yet. That’s okay too but there’s a fine line between service and burnout. That line is what you make of it.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

It’s about one hair thick.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah, exactly. So if I’m going to come at this with all the depth of my love and strategy and commitment, then and then I require that in return from our students and our clients.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Which is beautiful, that you’re doing that now. Could you do the other thing, though? Could you put a wall up completely, turn yourself into a soulless, heartless robot and maybe last a little longer? Yeah, but that’s not what people need and not what people want. People want that heart. Like my wife yesterday was listening, I guess, to some of my calls, and I came out after work and she’s like, God, you were really passionate today. I’m like, Yeah, I have to be. That was kind of cool that she was paying attention to that.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

That’s so nice. I love that. Yeah, this is really interesting. I had two clients last month that really kind of contrasted things very intensely and this actually sparked a couple of new policies in our practice. One of them was an amazing woman who is a real go getter. She was like basically a professional, sick person. For a couple of decades, she’s been through a ton of surgeries, every natural and allopathic practice there is, and it all started with mold for her and Lyme as a kid that went undiagnosed. She has made so much progress in the last six months with us. She’s like a whole new person. Then she had to take two trips, one for work, one for family. Both were high mold environments, and she crashed. While she was crashed, she had to say goodbye to a very close member. She was actually with this woman as she passed. The confluence of these events really sparked a very real suicidal experience for her, where she was like, what is the meaning of this life where I made so much progress? Finally, I thought I was out of it. Then these things happen. The veil just felt very thin for her between worlds at that time. Now, she came to us in her next session presenting this problem, and she had total responsibility for she said, I need help. I need help. I have been suicidal for the last few weeks. I wanted to be your star client. I feel I am I made so much progress and I’m in a really scary place right now. She took full responsibility for it. It was easy. It was effortless to witness that and be there with her. No problem. I got her through that up and out of it and on to the next chapter because we fixed the crash, we changed protocol. Boom, boom, boom. Gave us some new nervous system support tools. Didn’t cost me any energy because she took full responsibility for her experience. Now, not a client went into a mast cell spend blamed us. We got the volume, the novel. You made me do this, you blah, blah, blah. Was like, Oh, okay, we’re going to settle you down and we’re going to support you through this crash and then you’re going to exit our practice because my nervous system is cannot handle that email coming in at 9: 30 at night. You expecting a response? Because I’m not available to anybody else if I don’t respect my own energy boundaries and I’m not.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

It’s hard.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I can’t take the fall for you. Turns out she made some interesting choices on Memorial Day weekend. There was drinking. She went right into a parasite full moon crash and she wasn’t taking responsibility for it. Okay. All right.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

It’s hard. Oh, the for the other woman. Hopefully she does pull out of it. But she’d be an incredible candidate for ketamine because and that was actually in Dr. Nathan’s book, The Toxic Book, about ketamine. He not he didn’t write it, but another doctor wrote the little ketamine section in there. That’s what got me interested in trying. It had mentioned because I’ve seen that as well. I’m like, okay, what do I do? This is scary. Like, do you call the suicide hotline? Like, what do you do for these people? Like, this is crazy. When they’re threatening that, they’re going to end it if you don’t fix them. Like, that’s scary. So I wanted to see it because it was sad that it could take the suicidal feelings thoughts. Let’s say ten is hand me the gun and one is nothing. It could take someone from a ten to a one or a zero in one session. So I tried it and it’s true, and I’ve seen it clinically time and time again. So if someone is at the end of the rope like that, literally, then would be a good tool to hopefully save them from that.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

A great point. Thank you for underscoring that. I think that’s really important right now. I mean, I was suicidal so many times in my own healing journey. I’m not afraid to talk about that. I think it’s really important to demystify this piece. Mold can do that to you.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

What do you think it was for? You think it was mold?

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I know it was mold. I also know that it was my mercury amalgam fillings. Because I did an improper detox, I still had one amalgam filling left and I high dosed cilantro tincture tossed back a handful of chlorella. And I was in the kitchen standing in front of the knives and I had to run out of the kitchen and throw myself into the couch because my immediate instinct was to pull out a knife and stab myself with it.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Isn’t that insane? Oh, my God. I’m telling you, those toxins will really cause a lot of things. So typically there’s quite a few different ones I use, but we’ll use like some herbal antipsychotics during these type of episodes like that because yeah, it’s crazy the stuff I hear people like I just had this feeling, oh, one quick story. I know we could go two hours. Sinclair, come on. You got to make this interview longer, okay? So.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Okay, we just have to keep going.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

So during a mold lime detox protocol with a man in Colorado, he owned a contracting company, and he apparently was up on a commercial building that he was working on. He was two or three stories up under construction. Yeah, he walks, he survives but he walks to the edge of the building is like that looks really nice down there. I think I’m going to go for it and luckily he did not. So obviously his wife emails, calls, frantic, etc., he told me that he almost jumped off the building today. We look at his protocol we have things what I think are incredibly dialed in. I mean, this is incredibly unusual, the way I stabilize adrenals and everything. This is like totally out of character for one of my protocols and apparently he wanted to, quote, get better faster. So he ten X the dose of the lime tincture. So let’s say I had him at two drops or two squirts of something he was doing 20. So he literally was doing ten times more than what I told him to. I was I suspect it was likely just massive die off from the Borrelia. I was like, dude, don’t ever do that again. Let’s turn the dose down and then let’s add this herbal for these feelings. Luckily he has never been like that since. But it it gets dicey quick that mold and toxins and mercury. Holy smokes.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I’m so glad you’re sharing this, too, because there’s a very real emotional frequency that comes along with your neurotransmitters getting messed with by these toxins. They come with, they pack such a punch. It’s why you cannot go to a practitioner that’s had like IV Chelation weekend seminar. It’s like, hey, let’s flush out that mercury real quick. That’s not how this works. You are playing with fire and you need to actually really set the groundwork, prepare the body, and then really emphasize safety at all times and pre educate your clients and patients what to expect. Like my people who are the best fit for us in our practice and our students are very aware of the emotional component that comes with the root causes. While they’re experiencing it and sometimes there’s no shortcut out of that, you got to pull through it, support the mitochondria, settle the nervous system down, settle the mast cells down, get through it. What you have control over is remembering that your responsible for your experience. That you do have options and like, okay, this is not necessarily me. This is not my story about life. I’ve been poisoned and I’m having a really logical response to that.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

How simple is that? I’ve been poisoned. Well, it’s hard to recognize that when you’re in the fog.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yes, it is.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

It feels normal if what? It would have felt natural for you to take that knife and do that. It’s like, yeah, just a knife.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yeah. I don’t mind telling you, when I was detoxing mold, I would step out into traffic. We were right in the downtown Ashland, Oregon area. I was like, That’s where we lived. It was really cute, very quiet town, but it was a big highway running through it. To get home we I would have to cross this highway. I stepped out in front of trucks more times than I could count. I would have to yank me back. It just so it felt natural. It did.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

You were hoping they would just plow you down? Holly smokes. I believe it.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I’m not like the biggest gangster when it comes to detox. I’m really not the toughest cookie out there. I’m inherently a wuss and I’m inherently a little lazy about self care. So if I can get through this, I know everybody else can do.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Oh, yeah. It’s just it’s an alignment process. It’s tuning back into the to the world. I mean, you and I could be totally stressed because this is a lot of heavy stuff we’re talking about today, and we’re just talking about it nonchalantly because we’ve been through it. But for other people, this conversation may be freaking them out a little bit, but I’m looking right outside my window here and there’s a male and female cardinal right here on this Magnolia branch, and my wife had these little red flowers. I forget what they’re called, but they had died off. Then now they came back. So that’s pretty the cardinals checking him out. Then on the floor, on the ground right here is my lavender. It’s growing pretty well. So that’s cool. So if you get overwhelmed in your journey and you think I’m going to be plowed by a truck or take a knife or jump off a building, well, try to find beauty in the little small things like that, like hummingbirds, like we’ve got a lot of hummingbirds coming around right now. Those are little magical natural fairies animal fairies that can they can help you through this.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

You’re so right about that. It’s so cool that you’re saying that because that’s available to everybody. Sometimes you can feel really alone in this process and you can’t afford a therapist or you don’t have one that you like or you can’t reach your practitioner right now. So what are you going to do? Like you can you can actually always reach nature. That’s what I used to do, is to look outside the window and go, okay, that tree has a lot of leaves on it. That tree is doing pretty well. Okay. I really like that tree. That tree is really healthy. I would just do this little meditation because I didn’t have any resistance to nature.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Yeah, yeah.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

A lot of resistance to God. God, you left me for dead. I was not in a great space mentally, but I had no resistance to nature. It’s a great way to let in well-being.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Yeah. I mean, some of my hardest days that I’ve ever had, if I was in the woods, I remember one time I was sitting down at the base of a cedar tree in the woods and there was just nobody around. Totally quiet. Out of nowhere, a wood thrush landed right in front of me and just started seeing if anybody looks up the wood thrush song. Just a beautiful song. I get goose bumps talking about it and it just serenaded me. I don’t know what, like what I did to deserve it, but it just totally pierced right through? My everything. I was like, We can do this. Let’s, let’s stand up. Let’s keep the day going here.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

That is so beautiful? It’s a great story to end on. I hope you get a lot out of listening to Evan and I unpack these hidden drivers of chronic gut conditions. I hope that you, out of this, you take away feeling seen and that you are not the only one struggling through these pieces and that there’s absolutely relief to you on the other side of some deep work. To keep it up and to be discerning about your next choices and to know that you are so worth it and we are both rooting for you.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

Amen. Sinclair, thank you. It’s a true pleasure being with you. You’re one of the, truly the best conversationalist. I do tons of interviews, and you and I just always have a blast together. So thank you so much. You’re doing an amazing job and it’s a great mission if people want to check me out evanbrand.com that’s my site. So podcast it’s there and we’ll have Sinclair on there as well it’s it’s free coming up on 12 years worth of podcasting. So a lot of stuff there for you guys. Consultations.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Name of the podcast.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

It’s just my name, Evan Brand Show. Spotify, wherever you want to go, I’ve got functional medicine, training courses for health seekers and practitioners. I’ve got business coaching for practitioners. So I’ve got a lot of tools to try to help multiply my brain.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

It’s so great to see you again today. Thanks for spreading the word, being such an advocate.

Evan Brand, CFMP, FNTP

My pleasure.