Uncover The Power Of A True Second Opinion

Introduction to Dr. Lodi 0:00

Welcome back. I cannot begin to tell you what a special treat you're in for. For in this next hour, we have Dr. Thomas Lodi with us. And his story is so unbelievable that I am not even going to begin to tell it, but to share with you that he is the founder of the Oasis of Healing eighteen years ago in Mesa, Arizona, but his journey started in New York. And then he went on a book trail to Mexico, Japan, Europe, spending time with all of these great authors and then returns to New York, works with Robert Atkins as a closet vegetarian and really starts the integrative oncology movement.

It has taken him on a journey around the world, but he is here with us today to share his wisdom, to share his stories, and to talk to us about the secrets of putting your diagnosis behind you. Because in the at the end of the day, that's all anyone wants to do. So, Dr. Lodi, welcome. I'm so happy to have you. My absolute pleasure to be here. Thank you very much. So you are quoted as saying "The goal is not to merely eliminate the cancer, but to restore the health so that the cancer doesn't return".

And this is really a unique approach. So I first want to I want you to start off by telling us about how you got here, how you got into the integrative oncology space. Because it was it was an amazing, circuitous path. Yeah. No, it was. Well, you know, I mean, just I'm going to be as brief as I can be,

From Spiritual Seeking to Medicine 2:00

but I was you know, I dropped out of UCLA at 19 knowing that there was no there was no role in the Western model that attracted me. I didn't want to be a lawyer, a doctor, an accountant or anything like that. None of them held any attraction to me. So and I've been reading so many and I was always interested in God and spirituality and that was like just my internal passion. I was an only child with a single mom and I grew up in Hollywood of all places. So I already it was it was a blessing because she moved every year.

She was in the movie industry and so she moved every year. So I was at the new kid in school every year. And so I had no friends, no siblings. Just a beautiful, wonderful mom who loved me. And and that was all I needed. So I didn't really connect with groups. I didn't do all that it I never became one of the guys I never cared about who has the ball and who's going to throw the ball and what they're going to do with the ball. So I never interested in those guys who. Were always a little rogue. Yeah, I was just outside of that at all.

And okay with it and I was alone. So anyway. But I was always interested in God. I just it was part of who I was. So when I was 19, I dropped out of medical, I dropped out of UCLA and bought a one way ticket to India. I went there, I lived there a couple of years and then then still didn't want to come back to this country. So I hitchhiked around the world for a couple of years till I realized I had the job and I had to have a skill because I couldn't get work from it's blah, blah, blah, blah. So back to U.S.

became a psychologist and I was a clinical psychologist for about three years until I kept running into holes in my knowledge. I realized I didn't understand what was going on with people in terms of their physiology and their response to medications and all that. It was a big piece and not having that peace, I couldn't really work with people, so I went to medical school not to become a doctor. I went to medical school so that I could round out my knowledge and then work with people. So it was a whole different paradigm.

I went from spirit, mind, body instead of the other way around. And anyway, I went to medical school, graduated, went to went to New York for my residency up at the the St Luke's Roosevelt Columbia Presbyterian System. And did that finished, finished that. And then went to started an oncology fellowship. But after about three months, five months, I quit. I couldn't do it. We were killing people. So I saw them walk in and crawl out. Yeah. And it's pretty amazing that you at that stage in your training, were able to recognize that.

So what what do you think? What do you think you saw that other people don't see? Well, because when I was 14, my uncle became my mentor. He was a dropout of society. He was very successful, had ranches and a lot of money and was an entrepreneur. But he said if you're successful in this system, you're making you're making a great mistake. And so he walked away from it all and he pursued he was he was a philosopher and all that. But he handed me a book, he anime books and I read them from 14. I was reading Herbert Ham Shelton about eating, you know, he's a he's my greatest heroes and natural path.

And I didn't know in those days that there was a natural path, a medical doctor and all that. Had I known, I probably would never have gone to medical school. I would have gone to the natural public school. Yeah, but anyway, I read this. Unfortunately, sadly, tragically, natural powers are no longer what they were, so they're now allopathic assistance for the most part. It is terrible. But there's are a few of you. Really believe that because I think that like anything else, it varies. But I know of course, really good natural attacks, right?

Right. No, there are there are some actually. I mean, I know one. Great. James Hutton is a great one. The lady that works with me right now, she's amazing. So yeah, there are good ones, but for the most part, they and I talk to them. There's like a guy here and I won't mention his name, but he's a cancer naturopath and he's just sending people to do standard conventional and then augmenting it and stuff like that. So they're really just like, I feel like they're assisting it and and I think they did that politically, just like I'm in Arizona with the homeopathic board.

So the homeopathic board is if you're a medical doctor or an MD. or a deal and you know, homeopathy, you can get licensed by them. And then if you're licensed by them, you can, you know. So in other words, if I write this prescription, I can write it as an MD. And if I write this prescription, I'll write it as an MD. or this, you know, about a certain

Rejecting the Conventional Cancer Model 7:00

and so anyway, so if anybody like it, it's usually doctors that complain not on patients that complain, but a doctor might say, oh, he's giving intravenous vitamin C and my board will go, great, good. Right. But instead of when I was in New York, they'd go up and they'd call me and I was always in front of them. I had to defend IPT. I mean, I successfully did actually. They put me, they put me for one hour with an oncologist and another hour with an endocrinologist because insulin is a hormone. Yeah, and I did it, I defended it.

And then at the end they go, Well, do you have any any research to back it up? I said, Oh, there's not much, but I have this and I'll, I'll send it to you. And I know a week later they said, okay, you're cool. So anyway, that's a president. If you're in New York, it's obviously it's been successfully defended anyway. Good. So but yeah but. You recognized fairly early on that chemotherapy is not the answer. And the conventional medical approach to cancer is not working. Well. Exactly well. And it's even beyond that.

It's the fact that there's two paradigms and it's it's really, really important that people get this. The the medical model. Model is a is a morphed became a different version of the germ theory. Okay. And the germ theory says there's these things out there. They're going to get us. We've got to get rid of them. Okay. So then now the medical model came and instead of the Germans got the disease and the disease is this third party thing. It's not you, but it's this thing out there that's going to get you and you have to get rid of it.

That's the fundamental premise. It's called the medical model, and then we have to put a name on it. It's called diagnosis and all that, and we have to get rid of it. So it's a military approach. It's identifying the enemy and getting rid of them. Okay, that is completely not what's happening. Here's what the body does. And it was and it was built designed divinely. Okay, to regenerate, rejuvenate and procreate. It's called and it's called homeostasis. It was built in there. So you push me. My left leg goes out to keep me upright.

That's called biomechanical homeostasis. Okay. I'm eating cheese pizzas and whatever got greasy arteries, my arteries to get plugged up. The wisdom of my body says, wait a minute, I've got to maintain blood flow to the heart and to the brain and to the kidneys. So the only way I can maintain blood flow in clogged arteries is to increase the pressure. So I go to so I go to the I go to the house of horrors, which, you know, those are hospitals. And I and I run into one of the witches and warlocks in there who casts spells on people and they say, Aha, you have this disease, it's called hypertension.

We have to get rid of it. So they give me stuff to poison me now instead of just telling me, Hey, why don't you change your diet anyway? Now, now I'm eating pasta, bread, rice, cake. I got too much glucose. My body's wisdom, my divine wisdom says we've got to become insulin resistant because a little glucose is necessary, too much is deadly. So if my cells become insulin resistant, I go to the Warlocks and they say, Aha, you have a disease, you have this thing. Here's the magic potions, okay? Instead of telling me to stop eating the bread, pass the rabbit.

Anyway, so that is the disease paradigm instead of so what I work with people is I say that and what I love is something you said earlier before we got on. And that's about restoring balance. All the indigenous from traditional Chinese, are you Vedic, all the traditional European. And I'm talking about when I say tradition. Tradition is something that has been going on for thousands of years. Convention is what's been going on since John de Rockefeller 1890, and then the Flexner report. This is conventional medicine. It's by agreement.

It's not by science. So anyway, traditional, all of them South America, whether you go without to New Zealand, the Maori, you go to Australia, you go to Africa, you go here in Asia, anywhere, all traditional healing modalities understand that ill health is a consequence of an imbalance and that that balance has to be restored and that divine wisdom will put it together. We, on the other hand, on their allopathic have the audacity to think. Now, remember some there are there are 36 septillion. That means 21 zeros chemical reactions going on in the body every second.

And we have the audacity and the arrogance and actually the ignorance to think, Aha, here's the problem, we just have to block this one thing and it'll be fixed. No, no. Just like throwing a boulder in the river. The river goes around it. The nature of nature is that okay? So instead of blocking that river, jump on it, write it and write it back, right itself. So anyway, so it's a healing paradigm. So what I tell people, listen, if they got a little tumor in their breast and I tell them, look, if that didn't grow and that didn't spread, you would live a normal life.

So your question to me is not how do I get rid of this? Your real question is, how do I stop making this okay? And if we don't stop doing that, it doesn't matter how good anyone is at getting rid of it, it'll be back because that's not the question. So it's a healing paradigm. So what I'm saying is this instead of our goal of wanting, desiring to eliminate some manifestation of our ill health, instead of doing that, let's just make our goal to be restored to health. Because once there is health, not only is there no cancer, there's no diabetes, there's no depression, there's no insomnia, there's no arthritis, there's none of those things happening.

So health is our goal and we want to be restored to it. And the only best real definition that I have ever come up with, with health or health is optimal functioning of the organism and optimal functioning of the organism. And health can occur by only one way. Now, this is this is a secret that's in right in front of our eyes, and no one seems to get it. I'm not saving no one. You get it? Some of us get it. But here is it. Health can be accomplished by only one way, and that's called. Are you ready?

Healthy living. Oh, my God. No, no, no. It can't be that. Yes. You can't purchase it. You can't coerce it, you can't negotiate it. You have to earn it. It's kind of like respect. It's just like respect. You can earn your health or not, period, period. And so that's the paradigm. I want to take people off the mythological thing. Then I think that MD actually stands for Mythology Doctor, because we are schooled. We are schooled in all the myths and we know what our premise is. There are and it is in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual has increased since I was first doing this 30, 40 years ago.

I mean, it's amazing when I was a kid, there was no such thing as Alzheimer's. There is no such thing as ADHD. These diseases didn't exist and they just they came up. Now, the anyway. So the the implication is, is that each disease had a separate etiology or cause and therefore has a separate treatment. And you've got to go to the skies in our white coats and our white and we have to tell you all the secrets of it. The truth is the truth is there is one condition. It's called toxicity toxic MIA.

And and the and the branches are heart attack, stroke, Alzheimer's, cancer, whatever it is, those are the branches. And the reason I say this is I had a patient one time, I tell you this, I had the husband of a patient came to me. He was a nurse and he was had been there six weeks. And he said, you know, Dr. Irving, when I first came here, I had angina. I had to take nitroglycerin like several times a day. I had high blood pressure. I was on insulin. I was really in trouble. But I wanted to support my wife, Iris.

So I did the juice cleanse. I did the colonics. You know, I just did all this stuff, so I have no more blood. My blood pressure is normal. I've no more chest pain and the diabetes is gone. So if those were separate and distinct things called diseases and had separate and distinct etiologies and therefore causes, how could that have happened? But one thing happened. He cleaned up his life and they all went away. Okay, so I told them we call that second hand health at an oasis. Second hand smokes.

Yeah. I love that. So not that I really intended to get into this, but why do you think the conventional medical system is so hell bent on on segregating the body into systems, on focusing on diagnoses? What where is the disconnect? Why don't they know what you and I know? Well, unfortunately, you know, I don't know who figured this out. Somewhere around the turn of the 19th century, into the 20th century, they figured out if you can control education, you can control the next generation. They knew that.

And so the AMA was founded in 1849, I think 1847, basically as a as a union against the already formed it was at the American. I forget what it was, but it was a professional society for homeopaths because in those days homey homeopaths and what they called eclectic physicians and chiropractors and a few of the other ones actually had more of the public's trust than did the alabaster hands. And so even in 1895, when they looked at the salaries, the salary of a homeopath was $4,000 a year. That's the salary of an allopathic was $1,000 a year.

Anyway, John de Rockefeller had a lot of petroleum products left over from Standard Oil and he figured out aha drugs. So he hired Simon Flexner, his brother Abraham Flexner. They worked with a group called the Kimball Community Committee, and a lot of them had done their training in German medical schools. So they developed what's called the Flexner Report, and he presented it in 1910. And the Flexner Report changed medical education from there on out. And then what happened was the Rockefellers and the Carnegies funded universities to adopt this model of medical training and actually put in jail and defamed the people who were doing other kinds of medicine.

And they basically changed within a 20 year period. And so and then also by around 1918, right around the time of the other plandemic that they had, they basically public health heroes, it said, arose out of it.

Health, Toxicity, and the Bodyu2019s Adaptation 18:00

And they started the whole public health thing with giving people these injections called vaccinations. And that all started. So it was all based, I think on a couple of things. Number one, let's change the public's mindset because listen, if I tell you that you have a disease and there's nothing you can do about it, you have this thing like there's nothing you can do. I remove, I disempower you and I make you reliant on me, and then I can sell my drugs. So I really see that the algorithm that comes down from these professional societies, such as the American Society of Clinical Oncology, the American Society of Cardiology, whatever it is, whatever specialty or subspecialty, there's a professional college associated with it.

They determine the algorithms and those are what you have to do. If you're one of the practitioners and you don't do it, what's going to happen is you will lose your standing in the community, your career will suffer, number one. Number two, you could even be sanctioned. So you have to do what they call the standard of care. But you and I, working in the field of oncology, realize it's not the standard of care, but it's rather the standard of scare. They scare you into submission, and the word cancer is a Rockefeller word.

Please don't use it. Okay? It was paid for by Rockefeller hundreds of billions of dollars. So that when you hear that word, you are paralyzed and you do anything. Yeah. Cut it off. Yeah. Do you poison me? You know, things that you would not rationally do. It's like giving you a psychological frontal lobotomy and you no longer have connection between your prefrontal cortex and the rest of your brain because you're now saying, yes, I'll do anything. So that's why they do it. Now I tell my patients, let's call it what it is.

Their CFC is chronically fermenting cells, they're chronically successfully fermenting cells. And that's what they are. They're not it's not cancer. You know, it's chronically fermenting cells. So what do we have to do? We have to work with that. You know, and I like Reardon. I think it was Reardon, it's called it. He turned the word around, called it redneck instead of cancer. And the reason is, is because cancer carries that emotional act that, you know, if you hear that word, it's as if a you know, because you work with cancer.

I've seen the look it literally is the same thing as someone stealing your future, your whatever you had on your agenda is no longer relevant. I mean, I can't even imagine the state of mind that you get. And so in that state of mind, there can be no informed consent, there can be no willingness and understanding. They take advantage of that. That is horrible. How many people. If people are operating on pure fear? Absolutely your fear and they like that. They know that and they pride themselves. I mean, they told I mean, look, first of all, let me just say one thing.

It's very important the word diagnosis. The idea is to separate noses as geniuses, which means to know, you know, you remember that religion called the Gnostics. Okay, not not no Gino S's Nazis. It means to know. So how do you separate and know? You put a name on it, right? So if you had no vocabulary and you were looking at a desk and it had all these different objects on it, you wouldn't see those objects if you didn't have a concept for them. So if you said, okay, oh, this is a phone, oh, for okay.

And then you would use I want to remind you some I think it was when Cortez was going to South America, there were some native natives of South America standing up there and the big ship, giant ship came in. They didn't see it. They didn't have that in there. Did didn't they couldn't see it when they got off the ship into their little boats and they started rowing on a saw that but they didn't see the big one. What I'm saying is if you don't have a concept to formalize what you see and that's and that's done with a word and this way you have to be very, very careful with what you say and what you think and all that sort of thing.

So anyway, that's what a diagnosis is. It's a name. Think about it. You have invasive ductal carcinoma. Oh, my God. That's such a smart doctor. How did they know such a thing? Well, what is invasive? Ductal carcinoma was in a duct, and it went through the walls. So it invaded. And it's cancer. Okay, so how does that help us talk? Well, well, but, Doctor, it fails to tell me two important things. What's that? How did I get this? How do I get rid of it? Never mind, everybody. Okay, the point is this.

The diagnosis is useless. You could have called it a banana or a tomato. It doesn't matter because it doesn't help you. That's it. But what does it do? It's got a scary thing, but it's got it and it scares you. And it's got a place on the algorithmic tree. And now you fit on the algorithmic tree and they can sell you products and services. And that's what it is. It's sales. So why is there a disconnect? Because they're not trying to restore health. They're wanting to sell. And even the guy on the scene, the doctor, the main oncologist or surgical oncologist, might not even realize what they're doing.

But they're working for the Rockefeller cartel, right? They might not even realize it. They don't know. They don't know it. They think they're doing science. But, you know, ASCO, the American Society, I belong to them for years. They tell you every month which journal articles to read. I've never had them tell me to read a vitamin C article, intravenous viral. And there's what how many 30,000 peer reviewed studies on vitamin C and cancer. I mean, two clinical trials already. Yeah. I mean, it's not alternative. Yes.

And I mean, you know, it's why I left. It's why I left because I realized that I was, no pun intended, operating in a system that was completely broken and taking advantage of the people in it. And you did you said something. Well, first, I want to say that that that diagnosis breakdown that you gave, it's it's part and parcel to what is wrong with our system because it is separating the body into these entities and taking away the fact that we are one system. So people that get a diagnosis of breast cancer, they don't with a bad breast.

Right. The problem is not in the breast. It's an imbalance in the entire system. And that is complete discarded or lost in the conventional medical system. So as a surgeon, I was only allowed to focus on the tumor. Exactly. But the tumor is not the problem. Congratulated some of the problem. And I mean, we have an epidemic of overdiagnosed assessed in this country where so many people are treated that don't require treatment at all. Right. No. And what they need is is counseling and guidance as to how to get on a better health path.

But what they don't need is surgery, radiation and chemotherapy. And how many people disease. It's tragic. And every single mastectomies and no ever again. No, you're never. Listen, I'll tell you something, and I'm not a woman, but I don't have to be. I'm a human being. And when if you took off part of my half of my body, I don't care how good of a plastic surgeon you are, I'm going to psychologically have something there that will never, ever change. And it's like the diagnosis. These diagnoses go into your heart and brain, your brain through your brain, into your heart, like a screw worm.

And you can't get them out. And I'll tell you something, I'm going I this is an analogy I think works, having been exposed to the movie industry when I was young, they have something called stills and stills are during the filming of a movie, they take pictures of different scenes and then they use that for PR and for marketing later. Right? Yeah. Well, if I gave you a still of a movie you hadn't seen, could you tell me what the movie's about? No way. No. That's what a diagnosis is. It's a still it's taking a picture of this particular moment in time, and it's only looking at a description of the histology, which is nothing but now.

But here's the problem. But I has a lasting impression on people who like those stills, just like those stills, you will remember that for a very long time. That's what gets imprinted. And that's sorcery. Now, listen, if you know about sorcery, what does it mean? Sorcery? They actually need to have you know, they have a certain thing they draw. Right. And they have to have the lighting right. They have to have the candles. They have to have a specific ambiance for. And then they sit down and then they pronounce words and they it's called a spell.

It's called black magic. Okay. It's the same thing. You go into the hospital and the door is open and they're sitting at the desk is the doctor with a long white cape and all the papers behind this desk with her desk, with the with the certificates. And then they look you and they put the glasses down and see what was, and they just cast a spell that you'll never get rid of. People even say, have you ever heard people say, you know, until I was diagnosed once I was diagnosed after my diagnosis, it's like that was a pivotal point in their life, like marriage, birth, marriage, death, diagnosis.

It's happen anyway. So I'm a my patients don't want to get biopsies. I say yes, don't get a biopsy, don't let them give you a diagnosis, because if they don't, you're free, you're free. And I was talking to a guy yesterday, he and his wife, and I said, you know, you don't have that. Don't he keeps looking for it. But what about I said, what do you want the diagnosis? Well, what was it? Is it going to help? We're going to do everything now. And and that we would do it's not going to change anything except it's going to put fear forever in your heart.

So I'm so glad you get that. I mean, I'm so happy to hear that. So you really talk to people who, you know, when they get that diagnosis or even if they don't that that in that moment, in that situation, they've lost control. Right. And what you do is you help people to restore it. Right. Let's let's talk about how you empower people. Let's talk about your process, because I think people really want to know because really, that's what everyone wants, is they want to take back control. And in the conventional system, it's not designed for that.

The in fact, the conventional medical doctors feel so uncomfortable when people get better without them. Yeah. Yeah, right. Because you because they really. You know why? Because they really haven't studied it. They really don't know. And they don't want to appear stupid. They don't want to appear ignorant. So they, you know, like, well, what about this? I heard this is the supplement is really good. And because they're thinking, you know, I went to the U of whatever medical school. So if that was important, I'd know about it.

So it's not important, right? Yeah. So slowly, but. But what I tell what I here's what I do, I remind people of something that we all overlook. And we may not know the details, but the details are as follows. There are 36 septillion chemical reactions going on every second. That's 21 zeros in our body, 36 septillion chemical reactions every second. Now, I want you to understand what that means. Each one is happening. You know, if if you study biochemistry, you see that, well, if just too much of this builds up this chemical, it goes that way.

It does. It's so complex. No human being and no computer could ever comprehend what's happening. Okay. Because oh, my God, glucose is feeds cancer and so does glutamine feed cancer. Yeah, but if you don't, I have had people on 41 day water fasts. I do a I do a blood sugar stick and it's normal. Why? Because you need it. Your body will make it in the liver. Okay. Will make glucose. Okay. And now glutamine. Oh, my God. Glutamine is the second fuel I've got to cut out. Glutamine. Well, listen, it's also the primary fuel source for your lymphocytes and your interior sites, your small intestines.

You need it, you can't get rid of it. So in other words, everything we every everything is same with estrogen and progesterone. Everything needs to be in balance. That's the whole idea.

Lifestyle Foundations for Healing 31:00

So what my goal is to do is to restore balance and then rely on the wisdom of God who designed this body to make it all work perfectly. And it will work perfectly because we were designed to heal. I want you to take a little knife and cut your finger and you see what happens. It's going to bleed scab and he'll do the same thing to a maserati. It will not do that. Okay, this is a divine machine. Okay, now, so you've got all those chemical reactions going on and you can't change the course in which the body is added.

And we're making about 37 million new cells per second. So we are a dynamic process. We are like a flame. If you're standing across the room and you see a candle with the flame on it, it appears to be a thing. You use a noun, there's a flame. When you get close, you see streaming gases. So it's not a thing, it's a process, it's a happening. It's not a happened. So our body is a process. I mean, 37 million new cells per second. That's pretty dynamic. Yeah. Okay. And then all these chemical reaction.

So the point is this and if you do the math, if you consider if you consider we're just 60 trillion cells instead of 100 trillion, it takes about 1.2 years to to have a whole new body. But anyway, so if you had a condition last year and you have it this year, it's because you're continuing to make it so. The empowering, if the empowerment of this is that your body is a happening and continually changing and therefore it's not a thing that happened to you, not you were born with these genes and you're stuck because here's something to you.

And I learned this from Bruce Lipton. You know, he would take stem cells all the same exact genes and put them in this particular group growth, medium muscle. And they became muscle, put it in there became heart is the same thing now in Thailand. We can use we can use stem cells. I give an injection of a stem cell. The stem cells go to wherever the there's inflamed inflamed tissue. It goes there. And in the in the liver environment, it becomes a liver. So in other words, the cell genetics do not determine what the cell does.

It's the environment in which the cell lives that determines what the cell does. And that happens even when. It's such an important, important point that it is the environment in which the cell lives that determines what the cell does. Exactly. It's called the interstitial fluid. We call it the extracellular matrix. And it's it's what is this interstitial fluid? The arteries deliver nutrients and gases. Okay. And then there's two drainage systems. So that should tell us something. Drainage is more important than delivery.

Okay. So anyway, there's the 90% of of the of the tissue of the the waste products are picked up by the veins and 10% by the lymphatics. Okay. And they take it away. Okay. Now the lymphatics take up 10% and immediately goes to a draining lymph node. And the draining lymph node is where you got these naive T cells hanging out in the B cells and they're waiting for instructions. And here comes the Marines, the macrophages and dendritic cells. And we know the amount of dendritic cells actually influences the amount of the, the the the number of cd8+ cells which the activate the T cells.

So these cells come there. That's what the lymph node is. It's the little intelligence quarters. So when they, they always took out 27 lymph nodes and three requires a 27 or you're doing you know like up but the cancer was in the lymph node. Uh huh. The now the lymph nodes for isn't it there for that reason. Yeah. Sometimes if it obliterated the lymph node it's a whole different story. But don't just start taking out lymph nodes anyway, you know? So that's what happens. The lymph node is the place in which it's like kind of they're like little police headquarters.

And that's where they determine the immunological response, you know, which cytokines to produce and they call to action all that. They're very, very important. Yeah. I speaking as a surgeon, I can tell you that that concept of more is better, is still very much in action today. And I get questions all the time about lymph node removal and I'm very much with you. If if they if they don't have evidence of active disease. And I don't think we have to look for it. I think if it's obvious, then then that's one thing.

But doing these big searches to see if there's lymph node disease and microscopic disease and disturbing the lymph node basin for microscopic disease makes no sense to me at all. Right. I mean. Basically, like eliminating the system that's protecting us. Exactly. Is cancer is a lapse in recognition of the immune system in part. And it's because of the environmental exposures that we have. Cancer is a normal response to an abnormal environment. Exactly. And we all have nanograms, micrograms or milligrams of cancer cells.

And then if you get one gram or more, you have a tumor. But everyone's walking around with at least milligrams of Micra because it is a normal response. It's not okay, that's your thing. So what we call diseases and I didn't quite put the name on it but like for example high blood pressure goes high to make sure that you have enough blood flow, you become insulin resistance so that you don't damage cells. So in other words, what we call diagnoses are adaptive processes, homeostatic corrective responses.

All right. And if we understand that you don't want to get rid of the homeostatic corrective response, if somebody is limping because they have a cane and they have a cane, you don't oh, I'm going to help this guy. And you kick the cane out. No, that's not going to help him. Okay. So you got it in the walk first. So the point is this what we call diagnoses are not entities, third parties that got into you, but rather the body adapting to a situation where its biological needs are not being met. So if you now teach the person how to meet all of their biological needs, that particular adaptive dance will no longer be necessary.

And that's what you do. Okay, I'm eating pasta, bread, potatoes and rice. I stop eating it now. There's no much. There's not too much glucose. My insulin resistance goes back to normal that that that's and that's how it works even with cancer. And I understand sometimes the cancer is it. So here's what I say about surgery and you're a surgeon. So that's the first time ever discussed this with. Oh, I had I had two oncologists come to me last, but six months ago, a glioblastoma. And I got to say, they're still well, they're still well, there it was a husband and wife team of surgical oncologists.

And of course, we got his teeth out, got his root canals out, which all went up to the brain. And so but anyway, what I would say about surgery is that if the surgery is if the tumor is impending almost blocking a vital function, breathing, eating, going to the bathroom, that if it's excruciating, excruciatingly painful, if it's in a closed space like the brain, the skull or the spinal cord and stuff like that, but otherwise picking all the apples off the tree, you still have a new crop next fall.

It's not going to solve the problem and there's a chance that you're going to seed other problems. One of the things we know about doing, even even finding lacerations and things like that is that when a tumor, in order to protect itself, to protect its ability to grow blood vessels, angiogenesis, it sends out certain cytokines that all of the satellite lesions from being able to develop an angiogenic response, they can't grow blood vessels. But the minute you undo that, you release that. And now they can all start growing.

Because, by the way, the staging system is again another hoax. If you have one gram that you can feel it's been going, growing at least eight years. And during that eight years, these microscopic things have gone all over. So even a stage one is a stage four according to their nomenclature. It just has not it's not discoverable. Okay. So we can't call it a stage one. It's a stage for that's not seen. So therefore and also breast tumor sticks its little head through the skin. That's another that's another organ.

That's a stage four. Well that's the same as colon that went to the lung adrenals brain. No, but there was stage four so the whole system is ridiculous. It doesn't make any sense. And so anyway, you cut it out. And if surgery worked, cancer would be easy. If chemo worked, it would be easy. But the data, the oncological data read the journals, radiation, high dose chemo, maximum tolerated chemo. What do they do? They're really good at getting rid of the primary tumor, but they ensure the six necessary steps for successful metastases.

We know that. I'll even say I don't know if you've read that literature. I can send you some articles, but you can see that it's called The Paradoxical Effect. One of the paradoxical effect of chemotherapy. Yeah, this tumor is going to shrink, but you're going to have liver, mass and lung melts within nine, eight months. Okay. Because it increases EMT, it increases tumor escape. It's crazy. So I say do the surgery when you have situations like that, if not, restore health and get away from that.

The other thing one last thing I want to say. I know I talk too much, but the mind is so powerful that I have people, if they've already looked at their scans, they already say, okay, I've got a three by five by two centimeter liver in my right lobe and I got it. If they know all that data, I say, okay, I want you to sit down and draw a picture of everything you have. Now, next to it, I want you to draw everything in half. And next to that, I want you to go. Everything in half and keep doing it until there's nothing.

So now, throughout the day, your mind not being control. No one controls your mind. Your mind will land on what you think is in you. The minute it does, I want you to shrink it down. So I tell everybody, if you think it's shrink it, if you think it, shrink it. If you think it, shrink it so that your last thought is not of a two by three by four centimeter lesion. It's a clean, beautiful pink liver. Right. That's and you leave it. I mean, grab a phone, grab a grab music, do something. So you want your last thought to be clean and not picturing that because the mind I mean check out this to women 30 years old become roommates within two months they're menstruating.

At the same time. They didn't plan it. They didn't discuss it. You got a couple. They're trying to get pregnant. They try six years, seven years, eight years, even then they finally adopt. A month later. She's pregnant. Yeah. So I'm sorry. This time the power of the mind on the body is we can't even comprehend. You got to be wary of it. So the mind is our best tool, and it's also our greatest adversary. And we have to realize that. And so we have to get it under control. And the only way you can get it under control since since thinking is not a voluntary process.

You don't decide to think thinking is a happening. Just like a heartbeat. Okay? And 90% of human thought is subconscious, meaning we don't know what our self-talk is. And 80% is negative. Why? Because you grow up with three basic instructions. No, stop, don't. No, stop, don't. And that's it. So basically, your parents are telling you before you can even talk that you're not good enough, but they're going to fix you. Right. So there is the fundamental relationship we have, right? Parents who are gods and we're pre-verbal so we don't even have words.

And they're saying no, well, so what do we say? But so that's called rejection. So we are rejected. All of us, even if we're in the most loving family, were rejected. And why do you think now that we're adults, every relationship, we get it. Tragically, we have to have a contract, including marriage. Was the civil contract. If you want to marry someone, go to your priest. Go to your minister, go to your rabbi. Go. Go to someone that you and make it a spiritual union and make a vow with each other and, all that.

But you don't have to go down to the courtroom and have a civil servants give you a civil contract, which is basically a prenuptial. Okay. I think it's immoral. I think you're taking this the sublimity of of the beauty of love and you're bringing it down to a contractual form. So anyway, we do that and I think it all stems back to no, stop, don't, no, stop, don't stop, don't end up. Why? So you grow up thinking you're American. He grows up thinking he's German, she grows up thinking she's Thai. All that. The truth is we're earthlings.

And you know how you find out when you stop breathing, your body will turn back to earth. They won't turn back to America. They won't turn into Thai, it'll turn back to. And so we are earthlings. Earthlings. Okay, gosh, it's these are simple concepts, but they're fundamental. And they what they what they are is I'm talking about the basic assumptions we all walk around with that upon which are built everything else. So if you can clarify your assumptions, you can change the edifices they grow out of it.

So I know I didn't answer your question, but. Now it's okay. But I really want people to be able to walk away from this talk because you are such a wealth of knowledge. I want them to be able to walk away from this talk with practical things. So I would love to hear about your approach to someone that comes to you for help, because either they been given a diagnosis or they're worried that if they went through that conventional system, they would get one. So the person with a breast mass or an abnormal mammogram or and I'm not advocating for mammograms, but the reality is that 60% of American women of eligible age do get mammographic screening.

So now if if that person were to come you what how would you approach them? How would you get them, give them their power back and get them on their journey towards health? Yeah. Okay, beautiful. Well, first of all, I would explain to them how their body is renewing itself continually and all the stuff that's going on. And there right now, there's a there's a significant imbalance in that because estrogen is not bad. Progesterone is not bad. Testosterone it's not bad. It's just that they're out of balance.

And and so what I explain is that. But do you do you really think that estrogen and progesterone and testosterone are the issue, or do you think. No, it it's more of an issue of environmental estrogens and estrogens and plastics and phthalates and all those things that are confusing our system. Exactly. Yeah. So we have zero estrogens, right? So everybody everybody doesn't realize that estrogens that are coming from outside of your body, that are from some other source, they could be chemical or whatever.

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Yeah, there's a lot of that going on and we got to keep in mind there are two types of estrogen receptors, alpha and beta. The alpha are are stimulated by estrogen and estradiol. Okay. And they are the ones when we think of estrogen when a woman thinks of her cycle, you know, in the first half of her cycle her estradiol it peaks and breasts grow the endometrium, the lining of the uterus grows. All these things seem to get bigger and then the it goes down and when it makes it goes up to a certain height and then it goes has a quick deceleration that causes the ovary to send out a push out of leg to ovulate.

When that happens, the place in the ovary from which the egg was extruded becomes something called the corpus lithium that produces progesterone. And so the second half of the cycle is dominated by progesterone. So what estrogen does progesterone undoes, right, is why we use it in the morning after pill and stuff like that. So as it built out the estrogen buildup, everything the progesterone does the opposite. So now many women are having what are called an RV lottery cycles, probably three or four or five a year or we don't know, two year to a year every time you have an an RV lottery cycle, you don't have a corpus lithium and you don't produce progesterone that month.

And so therefore, that month, if there's two or three, you have a net effect of estrogen dominance. So estrogen dominance means there's going to be some leftover stuff in your endometrium. That means that your breast will never have come back to normal. That means your ovaries will still and I think cysts, ovarian cysts, breasts and all that are just due to a lot of times naturally. Now, why do we have why do we have an arbitrary cycles? Because we're exposed always to hormone disruptors, bisphenol A and all this sort of thing, all these things, even on the receipt, when you take a credit card receipt, that little piece of paper that that folds, that bends as it's coming out, it's got BPA on it.

So every time you grab that receipt, which you're not going to do anything with, so don't grab it. Tell him to throw it away. You don't need to throw away his trash. But no, you don't need the receipt. And and if you do wear some gloves, I'm serious. So now there's that. Plus, I really believe that we need to be way more conscious of that, because that is something that people are doing all the time and not realizing. And and for the people that are working in in retail and or handing people those receipts all day long.

Exactly. Yeah. It's crazy. We don't realize it. We think it's a little bit of this, a little bit of that. But it all adds up. So anyway, we wind up with an imbalance and that imbalance is so we've got we've got extradite extradite on drone just hammering on that on that alpha receptor. Now the beta receptor which dominates in pregnancy is the agonist is estriol. You know, and the reason we have estriol is because during pregnancy, your immune system is kind of turned down a little bit. So you don't reject the babies since it's half foreign, right?

So estriol binds mostly to the beta. But nice thing about estriol is it binds to alpha mildly and it binds to beta strongly. So yes, it starts to stimulate a little bit of growth on the alpha, but the beta overshadows it. So it's really the net effect is a shrinking of the tumor. But because it's sitting on the alpha, it's acting as a Tamoxifen, it's actually blocking estradiol. Can't go there as strong, can't go there. You can't activate it. So it's really kind of a cool thing. Well, what else does that soy all the sois are?

Beta agonist receptors, flax beta agonist receptors. All right. And you know, when, when, when, when we scientists come out with stuff that that is in direct contradistinction from what you see you question what you question that science you what you see. For example, for as long as we've been measuring Japanese people living ten years longer than us and they eat soy all day long. So how the heck is that bad for you? Right? They never had breast cancer. They never had prostate cancer. They never had ovarian cancer until we metastasized over there with our McDonald's and and burger.

Yeah they did. And heart disease and obesity. It was never nuts. Reported it right and the three important things they were soy product seaweed. And one other thing I can't. Read right. But that's it. And they also ate small amounts of fish. They never ate, huh? Rice and small amounts of fish. Yeah. And that's it. And then lots of vegetables and pickled vegetables and lots of fermented foods. Yes, right. They they were pretty they were pretty cool. And they didn't have any these conditions and they were living the 115 120 on a normal basis.

Right. And that was it. So, so soy is good. It's not bad. Soy is necessary. It's really important. So anyway, so. But what became an issue in this country is that we made soy a commodity crop and we genetically modified it. Exactly. So that is no longer recognized as naturally occurring soy. Right. And so that came along with it, some, some medical issues. And then on top of it, we highly processed it and we make it into a soy protein isolate and we make plant foods out of it. And they're pure garbage.

Exactly. So that's why the original stuff they ate tofu, they miso soup, the tempeh and they natto not, though is fermented soybeans. And from that we get natto Chinese. And I think natto is one of the reasons people Japanese Japanese are living so long. Not that was amazing. Not the case. You just got to get you just got to get it fresh and make sure you don't. But these things are very, very important for eating. So what I'm what I'm saying is that to restore balance, first of all, here's what I do with people.

We put them on a cleanse and I remind them that what cancer is cancer is not a genetic condition. If it were genetic, since one out of two Americans and one out of three American men and one out of three American women will get cancer in their lifetime. That is the data. Then that would mean that at least one of our grandparents, all of us, should have had cancer. And it's not the case. Okay? It just doesn't fall in line. It's not genetic. Well, my my brother had colon cancer and I have breast cancer. Okay?

And you know, me, it doesn't mean any cancer is not a thing. Remember, it's a process. What runs in families is lifestyle habits and eating and diet. That's what one environment they share. An environment, right? They share an environment. Right. Right. Are you looking like I think it's Long Island. When you look at the American Cancer Society, they have these red zones where all the cancer and it's in geographical. Right. And it's near. It's and it's. There and it's not because they're related.

Right. There. They're related by proximity. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So, you know, so the problem is not everybody can move. Nobody has the resources to just move because I my advice would be get out, leave. You know, if I was if it's like if you're living under a high wire, you know, with you, if you're living near five G towers, you got to move. But not everybody can do that. So how can you protect yourself? So the way it is is this since we understand that when a certain proportion of mitochondria, which are the little organelles in the cell that produce energy, when a certain portion are eliminated, the cell by goes into a default mode of energy production called fermentation or glycolysis.

All right. And then in order to successfully ferment it upregulates this gene, downregulated that gene, it changes its FPGA, its genetic expression, to accommodate the new metabolic requirement. Okay. And that's what the genes, for example, P53 is suppressed, PTEN is suppress. There's a lot of things that are suppressed and turned off to support glycolysis and there are things that are turned on and map kinase. AKT You know, there are certain things that are turned on. It turns out that we can reverse those.

And since we can reverse them, I guess they really weren't mutations, were they? No, because you don't reverse Down's syndrome. I don't care what IVs or food you have Down syndrome, they still have Down syndrome. So if we're talking about it. Okay. So anyway, these are not don't get away from the word mutation and genetics and just understand that the cell will do whatever it will. It's responding to its microenvironment. And that's what a cell is doing. You no one else has power over that microenvironment.

It's what you eat, breathe, drink, and it's what you don't excrete that make up that interstitial fluid. So I put everybody just like if you had an aquarium and the fish were sick, you could put medicine all day long in the aquarium. But if you don't change the water in the aquarium, the fish will still be sick. So we put you on a juice cleanse. We get real simple green juice with a little bit of lemon and apple and recipe. You drink three liters, four liters a day and you don't eat. You do this for two weeks or three weeks.

You get colon hydrotherapy. We do lymphatic therapy, get your lymphatics moving. We have you go to bed early, we have you eat within a six hour window and not eat. Why do we not want you to eat for 8 hours? Because when you're not eating, your fasting insulin level comes down. Why is that important? Because cancer cells have about 10 to 15 times more insulin receptors than normal cells. They also have more TRANSFERRIN receptors because they love them that they need iron. So anyway, we we have that we have that long interval.

It's not it's and by the way, it's not called intermittent fasting because intimate fat as fast as 24 hours without food because you couldn't say eating once a day is intermittent fasting. Well what about if I fast between breakfast and lunch and then I fast between lunch and dinner? Isn't that intermittent fasting? No. So where do we define intermittent fasting? We have to just say fasting is one day of not eating, so intermittent fasting would be okay. I don't eat on Mondays and Fridays or whatever or twice, you know, months or whatever.

That's intermittent fasting. But anyway, eating healthy is putting a long period between and first meal and you stop eating three five if you're 30 and under 3 hours, 40 and under 4 hours, 50 and over 5 hours before sleep. Okay. And the reason you do is so that when you go to sleep, you're no longer absorbing glucose, which means your body is forced into autophagy and it must start gobbling up and recycling things to get glucose so it recycles your worn out mitochondria and all that stuff, which is why you crawl into bed and you jump out in the morning.

Right, because now your mitochondria are producing 36. 36. Yeah. And so that those things are very, very what you change your lifestyle and then when you start eating you eat food for which we were designed. Now as far as I can tell, and I've been all around the world, I've never seen any lions or, you know, or zoo lions or what you call or panthers or anything barbecuing on the side of the road. I just haven't run into that and I've never seen, you know, any other animal cooking doing, you know, so, you know, we don't put our fingers in fire. We don't put our clothing in fire.

We don't put our money in fire. In fact, we don't put anything of value into fire because it's destructive. So where do we get the bright idea to put the products that God made for our nourishment into fire? Okay, it makes no sense. And we know that you destroy things. Yeah, but if you simmer tomatoes for a long time, you get more lycopene. Oh, yeah, but they're no lycopene trees. Are there. But you know, if there were if lycopene was important to be a lycopene. But it turns out that in that tomato is the perfect synergy of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin fiber, all these things put together with the lycopene.

Right? There are no isolated nutrients that grow in nature. Nature is a synergistic amalgam of things that need each other to work. So when I take a bite into that delicious, fresh, organic apple tomato, I'm going to get everything it needs, my saliva and all. It's. It's intrinsically a delicious aroma. Tell you something. Go and get a piece of corpse. Don't cook, don't do anything. Just take it in your mouth and eat it. Tell me if it's delicious, intrinsically delicious, or if you want to be like a carnivore.

Do what carnivores do. They eat alive. So pick up that chicken, rib its head off and start eating up. That's what a carnivore does. So don't say I'm on a carnivore diet. You know you're on a corpse diet. Don't say a carnivore. You're on a dog diet. It's dog food. So. Okay, so you eat dead corpses because you got to kill them, but you got to cook them. I mean, I like corpse sandwiches, too, but I don't either. But but anyway. And why do I call it a corpse? I don't use the word meat, because meat actually means essence.

Like, what's the meat of the subject? I always eat the meat of the coconut, so I don't consider the decayed muscles of a cow as its essence. So I don't call it that. Would you like some would you like some pig corpse and chicken embryos for breakfast? No, I'll pass it at some point right now. But it's just such a hard conversation to have. I know. I'm sorry, but I just. So what I do is I change the diet. I don't want you to apologize, because I think that we do need to be that graphic. I think that people need to understand.

And so many people shy away from working with me because they say, like, do I have to be a vegan? And I say, no, but I I'm I'm not a vegan. I'm I'm plant based vegans are that's a political movement. I mean, right, like I'm I'm eating the way that I believe we were meant to eat. But this isn't about politics for me. Exactly right. Yeah. The veganism, ethical thing, you know, and a true vegan won't wear leather shoes. A true vegan will wear a belt, carry a purse. Right? That's true. Vegan. Yeah, that's a you can't buy.

I for years I haven't been able to buy as I'm. Here in my leather jacket. So I am not a vegan. But while we're on this topic, I couldn't I couldn't possibly move past it without you sharing a little bit of your experience working with Dr. Atkinson, I mean, Dr. Atkins, because yeah, that had to have been such a challenging time for you. It was it was around the year 2000. And I just got I've been in New York about a year and I, I went to work with him and the Atkins Center in New York City and and I went because he was really a smart guy.

And I would work with him and I would so and I remember we I have many meetings alone with him and he loved me. Call me his Arab parent and all that sort of thing. He didn't know. So every but he had this thing where he would eat with his doctors one on one. Like once. Was it once a month? I think once a month. And there was a coffee shop across the street that had the Atkins menu and the Atkins breakfast. And so the and here's the Atkins breakfast. It was a sausage and cheese omelet with bacon and and black coffee.

Did he die of heart disease? Yeah, he he I mean, I like the poor man. I mean, he was a victim of Atkins diet. He had such he had such a arrhythmia, so many arrhythmias that he actually, for the last, I'd say, five years of his life, he couldn't fly. He couldn't get on a plane. He just had arrhythmias. He was taking all sorts of stuff. But but that was it. So I used every time I had that meeting with him, I said, oh, I thought dragons, I've, I ate breakfast. I totally forgot. So, okay, I just have some coffee.

And so I got out of it a few times because he would have inspired me on the spot. But anyway, I learned a lot. I last saw me. Yeah. Oh, carbs. Yeah, right. He was. Yeah. And basically the Atkins diet is really an old UK English diet for diabetes. That's where he adapted it from. The English have known for years, decades that that is a good for diabetes. You know, diabetes type two, if you eat the Atkins diet you diabetes began to but you get cancer from and heart disease from. Heart from. The me yeah yeah from the me. But yeah, but it's, it's really amazing because even, you know, there's so much crossover between people that develop glucose intolerance, insulin resistance, diabetes and cancer.

And it's amazing to me that the ADA diet is actually the diet that provokes all of those things. Yeah. Isn't that amazing? It's really astounding, isn't it? Yeah. Well, that's why they're all in the same team, you know? They're all on the same team, right? Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, the other, the glucose, the insulin glucose dynamic underlies almost all chronic illnesses. It's a very important dynamic to understand. And the way to get control of it is to have long periods of not eating and then eating.

If you eat foods in their whole form, if you don't process foods, if you eat foods in their whole form, then they've they have there's a synergy with other with other micronutrients inside of it. And I put, you know, in everybody's now now there's a new scare come out. It's called oxalate. Well, I'll tell you something. Oxalate are chemicals you find in certain vegetables and kale being a big one. Right. So I'm going to tell you something. Yeah. 118 years now. 18 years. Our juice recipe, celery and cucumber for the volume of fluid.

Then we use kale and spinach and then we use a little bit of lemon to take away any bitterness. And then we use apples to take away any sourness. And you have a delicious drink if you do, and you can adjust it to your taste. But it's full of kale and full of spinach, which is oxalate. 18 years, never anyone has anyone had an oxalate stone, including myself and we have people doing six week juice cleanses and then I'm talking about drinking four quarts a day. So why? Because if we look at Oxo, ptosis, which is really just an inborn, inborn error of metabolism, you can't develop.

It's not a development, it's something you're born with. But if you look at oxalate stones, you have to be you have to have acidic, you have to be acidic and you have to be dehydrated. And we now know that there is much less there are much less oxalate stones in vegetarians than there are in Non-Vegetarians. That's just a fact. So that whole scare is part of the thing that to push us away from eating healthy, don't worry about oxalate. So just keep yourself hydrated and eat a lot of other healthy things and those and that and vitamin C, by the way, does not really convert into Oxalate until very at the end.

Remember, vitamin C starts in when animals make it, it starts out as glucose and it comes into it becomes ascorbate and then it'll become a score bowl the a score bowl radical and then it becomes di hydro ascorbate and then it would become oxalate. But by the time it's di hydro ascorbate, it gets sucked up

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into your cells, into your glute one receptor and, and which, which really damages it. So one thing I would say about vitamin C therapy, just so every one understands it, even if you're not getting there's four there's four main ways that vitamin C eliminates cancer. Number one is what we all know of is the oxidants effect. When you have a certain level, which is 350 milligrams per deciliter in the plasma of of ascorbate, then you have over overcome the amount of catalase, which is the enzyme that neutralizes it in the blood and it goes into the tissues.

Cancer cells don't have a lot of catalase. They can't make that conversion, so it kills them. Healthy cells have a lot of catalase, so they turn it into water and oxygen. So it's good for them. So good for the good guys, bad for the bad guys. It's really the perfect metabolic therapy. Well, on a lower level. What you're talking about now is high dose vitamin C. High dose, but lower dose, but lower dose. You take care of the cancer has a vitamin C ASCORBATE have they affect epigenetics. They are hypo methylated.

They take away the hypermethylation of cancer, so they turn off the epigenetic. In other words, the instructions of the cell to be different. They do that. Number two, the DHEA is picked up by the glut one receptor cancer cells, UPREGULATE one, so that they can get more glucose. But it also picks up DHEA. Once DHEA gets into the cancer cell, the cancer cell has to reduce it and it reduces it by using glutathione. So the glutathione turns the DHEA into Ascorbate again. Why is that a problem? Because the cancer cell doesn't have a lot of glutathione.

So you exhaust cancers who have science pool. So now it's extremely vulnerable. It can't protect itself with anything. And then finally on is might be the biggest one is the fundamental metabolic part the pathway for cancer. It has to do with oxygen hypoxia. So when you get a cut on your hand and the blood comes out of your hand, that means the blood is not going to your tissues. So that means the tissues aren't getting oxygen and so it's called hypoxia. That stimulates some transition factors called hypoxia, inducible factor alpha, okay.

Which stimulates what is it? 55 So I mean, I forget how many genes 500 anyway. A lot. They transcribes a lot of genes. To accomplish what? To heal that wound. How do you heal that wound? You do is caused tissue proliferation and you cause angiogenesis new blood vessel growth. So that's what I have one alpha does. It heals wounds. That's what cancer has become. The known as the wound that wouldn't heal. So anyway, it's healing wounds. Well, the cofactor that turns off HGF one alpha is a group just like remember progesterone has estrogen has this progesterone.

Okay, well, if one alpha has its deoxygenated enzymes which require ascorbate. So by having enough ascorbate you can turn down the hall. H I have one alpha response and that's also another thing with cancer. You cannot, cannot go badly below ten a half or 11 hemoglobin because if you do, you have a systemic wide hypo hypoxia which is turning on your high of one alpha. So got to tell the people the hospital I have to keep them above ten period because they're cancer. So we use different criteria because now they're saying what, under seven they're going to transfusion.

You got to use ten that you need. But anyway, those are the four main things. The other thing that vitamin C or ASCORBATE does is it stops epithelial to mesenchymal transition that means it stops mature cancer cells from becoming cancer stem cells, which are the only thing that can metastasize. So I mean, vitamin C, that's why I have people and this is a little, little gem and I'd like everyone to do it. And that is this we can only absorb at max 200 milligrams without spilling ascorbate into our urine.

Okay. Once we get the 500 milligrams orally, that's it. Everything we absorb, we take after that 600 milligrams that all the 100 milligrams will go directly into the urine without being changed. Okay, so we have a threshold in our gut and our kidneys anyway. So 200 milligrams is max. Therefore you take 8 to 10 grams of pure sodium ascorbate powder and you put it in a liter of water, shake it up, and then you sip it very slowly from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.. Why do you want that? Because every sip is going to be 90 milligrams, 150 milligrams, maybe 200 milligrams.

You're going to absorb it. All right. Because you can only make that absorb. You can only absorb in that period of time. So if you're sipping 77 and the reason I came up with that number is just because it's easy to remember sip 7 to 7. If you're doing that, you will have met your physiological requirements for orbit. So when you sit down to get an I.V., that I.V. will not have to go into filling up a deficit because you won't have a deficit. That I.V. will now go and become therapeutic. So whereas in the past, you had to go up to 100 milligrams, 100 grams to to be is to be therapeutic.

Now, you only have to go up to 50 because you're already taking care of your physiological requirements. So that's very, very, very important about vitamin C. Yeah Okay. So that's that's fascinating. So we talked about soy. We talked about vitamin C. Are there other are there other kind of medicinal things like mushrooms that you include in your healing? Yeah. And one of them is the forgotten, forgotten mineral. It's not really a mineral, but it is sort of it's a halogen it's called iodine. Now, the purpose of the thyroid hormone, by the way, it's the wisdom teeth that are on the heart meridian.

Right next to it is the breast meridian. It's also the thyroid meridian. The thyroid and the breast are siblings, cousins, because they are the two main organs in our body that have what's called the sodium iodine transporter system. In fact, when a woman is pregnant, her breasts are picking up more iodine from the blood than the thyroid. Why? And that's to prevent what we used to call creationism, which is hypothyroidism in a newborn. If the newborn has that, they'll be they'll be retarded. They'll have. Yes.

So you got to have enough iodine. So that's why women's breast picked it up. So it's very, very important. So now when we talk about 23, which are the thyroid hormones, the for the three referred to them are of iodine. Okay, so t three is the active one, T four is a pro hormone, it circulates and when a cell needs it, it'll gravity for take off one of the iodine and use it. Okay. Big problem. Only the Japanese and Korean have eat enough seaweed. They eat it all day long. We don't have enough iodine.

And if you don't have enough iodine, our cell when we're making the thyroid is going to grab any other halogen around which is fluoride chloride and bromide and we have tons of that. So you get a result, says your t four and your g three are normal. Well, they didn't do an electron spect so they don't know exactly what that four and three are. You could have two fluoride, one bromide and one iodine. You don't know. Most likely you do, but that's how it's made. So you've got to iodine. And the problem is when you take iodine, it can, by the way, Grave's Disease, right hypothyroidism.

I have done this several times put them on 100 milligrams 3 to 4 times a day of iodine lou goes their symptoms will be gone in 24 hours and they will have normal thyroid function after three or four years. Their antibodies go away. So the original treatment for graves was not radioactive, it was just iodine. And then they added in the radioactive. So they kill your thyroid. Now you don't have to kill that. I did that. I had a woman that she came in was oh we gave I gave her a hundred milligrams three or four times a day.

We had to go 250 a couple times to keep her symptoms down. She didn't need beta blockers to get rid of her symptoms. We just gave her the iodine and then it took three or four years for the antibodies to come down. Don't worry about it. Thyroid function is normal. They still have the antibodies. Okay, whatever. As long as the thyroid function is normal because thyroid is not us. Iodine, they're both iodine deficiencies. It's just that the, the the immune system is responding a little differently, but that's what it's doing.

In either case. It's iodine deficiency. So now you say, well in Hashimoto's you want to give iodine because it's going to decrease thyroid output. True. Therefore you still give the iodine. But how do you check for thyroid function? Well, if you do the blood test, you can't trust the TI 43 because it might not be iodine. And remember, here's the reason you have thyroid. It's a mechanism to deliver iodide to the mitochondria to stimulate that which causes depolarization and makes the mitochondria mitochondria produce energy.

That's the purpose of iron of the thyroid. Okay, there's a secondary purpose and that's the that's why Lou goals is good or I overall because you need the iodine then the molecular the eye to the molecular instead of iodide which is you've heard of it as potassium iodide. It's a negative anion. Okay, that's different. That's to depolarize the mitochondrial membrane. But the iodine itself molecular stable is necessary cofactor in the conversion of as strong to estriol. So if you don't have enough iodine, you will have too much estrogen.

So if you want to be you want to have good, good quality estrogens and you're taking enough iodine, you want to be able to add your and as are diol and they need to come out less than your estriol. And if you do that, then because estriol, remember, is a beta agonist, that's very, very important to remember. So Iodine is very important. But and so that's one of the gems that I think is missed. So while you're now here's the way to check your thyroid hormone is you get a thermometer and every morning before you get out of bed, before you go to the bathroom, you put the you put the thermometer in your armpit and you get a temp, an axillary temperature.

Write it down. You do this five days in a row. At the end of the five days, you average them. If the average is less than 97.8, then you have subclinical hypothyroidism period. Okay. Unless yeah, there's no other reason for that. Now of course, if you're a menstruating woman, you don't do it during during ovulation, or if you've got a fever, you can't count that. But other than those things, you do it. It's called basal body temperatures. Okay. Because remember, thyroid is help regulate metabolism and energy.

Now. So let's say you find out your 96, which you will be. I guarantee you check it. You'll find out nobody's got good temperature because we're all iodine deficient. So now you take and you're in let's say you're taking 12.5 or 25 milligrams of a viral. Now, you take a natural hormone, thyroid hormone in the morning like I order my and I have my patients order from New Zealand. They have a brand called Theravance and I like New Zealand better than Armer because New Zealand has organic cows and sheep.

So anyway, it's at3t4 combination and you take one in the morning empty stomach. You do that for ten days and then while you're taking it, you'll do another five days of basal body temperatures. If you're still below 97.8 now, you'll add a second one, maybe a half hour, 45 minutes before lunch or a couple of hours after empty stomach. And then you do that for 10 to 14 days. And then while taking both of them, you measure again. And if you're still low, you'll get a second one in the morning. Anyway. Go up.

You titrate yourself. You don't need to go to a doctor's office and you can figure out by the time you get to a normal, healthy temperature you're in. Sometimes are taken to twice a day. That's fine, it doesn't matter. But keep checking it intermittently to make sure you don't because it takes usually a year and a half to replenish your iodine deficiencies and then you can actually lead off. So for these people that are hypothyroid, but you don't want to load them with iodine, how much are you telling them to take?

Well, they it depends. If they're if their temperature is not that low 12 and a half milligrams, if it's really low 25 now, yes, the 25 will lower the thyroid output. So you just increase the amount of thyroid medicine to keep them euthyroid during that time. In other words, you you'll increase it. So you might wind up with taking tooth twice a day while you're taking your iodine, because the bottom line is you need to replenish that iodine. So once the idea is replenished, now you can go down. Because what they've learned is that the average Japanese is it's in their food, 13.8 milligrams a day in in the form of seaweeds.

That's how much they're getting a day from the age of three. Now, here's another very interesting thing. Just as iodine can be used in the old days, if you got a cut, your mother would paint iodine on it and that would protect it. It's anti-microbial. Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts learned that you can pour it into pond water and drink the pond water. So it's an antimicrobial well, the same mechanism by which it's an antimicrobial. It also kills cancer. In other words, it forms a salt bridge. If Pfizer finds a positive sign cation on the cell surface and it connects with it to form a salt and it makes a hole.

So if you've been taking iodine all your life, you've got more than enough for your breasts and your thyroid. The rest is going to go into your interstitial fluid. So now every time a cancer cell starts to grow, it'll expose the cation. The idea will kill it. And so when MacArthur went to Japan after World War Two and he said, Do you got to figure out why these guys are living so long? Do some autopsies. So they started autopsies in the hundred and 20 year olds, and they found out that, oh, yeah, they had a tumor over here and a tumor over here and a tumor over here.

But it never grew. And they wound up dying of a heart attack or a stroke or something. So even if you develop the cancer, it can't grow. If there's enough iodine in it, the iodine keeps it in check. So very, very important you want to restore it. So once you've restored it, your temperatures are normal. Then you can go down to the 12.5 milligrams a day unless you decide to start eating Japanese style. Then you can. You can not. But it's very, very important for those reasons. And we forget about it.

And in fact, there's a great paper, if you can find it, it's called medical iota phobia. And it's ridiculous. It's a great it's a great paper. It's funny. Yeah. Right. And so this has been just

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an absolutely fascinating discussion as I knew it would be. I do want to give people a little recap because there's so much to take away from today. And I know that people are going to be listening it over and over again. But we did talk about the primary thing that you work on with people, which is their lifestyle in their environment, because cancer is a normal response, an adaptive response to an abnormal environment. And so you start people on a juice cleanse that they're drinking three liters a day of your green juice recipe, and they're doing that for two or three weeks.

And you're also recommending colon hydrotherapy and lymphatic therapy. You're talking to them about time restricted eating, where putting their eating window in a short period of time and having a very long break between between meals each day from day to day and prioritizing sleep. If you are 30 or under, you're not eating 3 hours before you to bed, 44 hours, 50 and under 5 hours. We talked about why Japanese people live longer than Americans. About diet, about their environment, about the fact that once American culture started to trickle in, they started to see all of the diseases that we see and this country started to use that word.

And we talked about the relationship between thyroid and breast and how that their and the role of iodine, which is so fascinating. And the fact that your goal ultimately is not to merely eliminate cancer, but to restore health so that the cancer does not return. And you've given us so many reasons. Why? Anything you want to add? One one last thing. There's a million things we if we maybe you could have me back again and we could. Definitely have you again for part two. But the one thing I want to say, and this is really, really important, the immune is our immune systems are the shadow of our minds.

So if you got really good news and I checked your blood, your natural killer cells would be up. They would be producing a ton of gamma interferon and they'd be great. And then on just the opposite, if you got bad news, the opposite would occur. So anytime we're afraid, angry, regretful, sad, any of those, it suppresses our immune system. Okay, problem thinking is not voluntary. It's a happening. And if you don't believe me, try to stop thinking. So it just happens. Now, 90% of our thoughts are what they call subconscious, meaning we're not aware of our self internal dialog.

We don't even really know it. Right. I might actually be. I might be doing affirmations in my conscious mind saying, you know, I'm great, the universe is beautiful, I'm healing wonderful, blah blah blah. And underneath you're going, I'm right because you grew up and this is like. Yeah, the mind keep score or the body keeps score. Yeah, right, right. So 90% is unconscious so you don't know what you're thinking, but psychology tells us that 80% of human thoughts is negative or negative. That's major.

So what that tells me is that as long as we are thinking at all, we've got our foot on the brakes of the immune system if the mind is engaged. Now, we know this to be true, because as soon as we stop thinking, the natural killers go through the roof. So it's become known as a new field of inquiry to discipline, I think it's called neuro immunology. Okay. And psycho neuro immunology is learning how to turn off the mind so that your immune system goes through the roof. Now, how do you turn it off?

You turn it off by not thinking. Now, I want you to I want to remind everyone, what do we seek out? What are we call fun? And you say, I'm done working. Want to have fun? We go skiing, we go surfing, we do things like that. The reason we do that and laugh, dance music, beautiful. When you're doing those things, you're not thinking. So the minute you take off the suit, the ski slope, if you think you're going to hit a tree. So you don't think you just move. When you get up on that board and you catch that wave, if you think you're going to crash, you can't.

You just have to be there dancing. You don't dance to arrive at a particular spot on the floor. That's not the goal of dancing. The goal is to dance and you don't listen to music for in anticipation of the final chord. Right. So You're just there at the moment. And then, of course, everyone knows the famous, well-known moment of orgasm. There's no thinking. So we the problem is, is that people get addicted, their method of arriving at that place. So if they're a surfer, they say, oh, I have to surf every day, or the skier, I can't wait.

The next season that the music musicians are lucky they get to do it all day long. Right. But anyway, so those are our method. Well, the other method is called meditation and meditation for anybody who's got a strong religious faith like either, you know, Jewish, Muslim or Christian or Mormon, this does not interfere. Meditation is not praying. It's not praying. Buddha. What meditation is, is learning how to shut up. It's learning to turn the mind off. So if you pray what regardless of your faith, if you pray, then what do you do?

Usually get up and walk away. Kind of rude, right? Hey, God. Like, give me a verse, okay? And then you walk away. We don't sit back and listen for the answer. So what I'm saying, give them 2 minutes in her 2 minutes and close your eyes back straight and listen with 100% of your attention for 2 minutes. Okay? You'll find that you don't get past 3 minutes. 3 seconds, and then your mind's often wandering. As soon as you realize it, bring it back to your breath, and then as often wandering, bring it back to your breath.

And I want you to do this five times a day. So if you have a four hour ritual in the morning and a prayer ritual at night or anything still five times during the day, just check in with God and say thank you for this day or whatever you say, and then close your eyes and go back and listen. Now where is God in your body? God is in your breath. And I say that because if you look at Genesis, God said, and Jewish people would refer to that book as the Pentateuch, and I forget what the Muslims call it, but they all all three of those rely on that.

Those five books of Moses. The second one said that God picked up the Adam. Adam is Earth Four in Hebrew. They picked up the Adam and they breathed into its nostril and it had life. So the holy breath of God animates the flesh. And when you finally go, this body turns back into Earth. Okay, so if God's anywhere in us, it's our breath. So we listen very carefully to our breathing. Okay? Just listen to your breathing to just be very quiet. Listen, if you ever get to the point where you can get to 2 minutes without thinking, just listening, I mean you may go through a doorway of enlightenment.

It's pretty hard to do, but you need to practice just like you practice your muscles. You go to the gym, you know, you don't just go once a week, right? You've got to practice your mind muscle. You have to be able to put the lid on thinking, turn it off. Okay? It's not mindfulness. It's mindless stillness. Okay? And when you still the mind, the divinity within you shines through and healing happens and your immune system flies. And so we've got to learn to shut up. And anyway, because because the mind is negative.

And remember, if you think, shrink it. If you think you drink it, don't leave. Don't leave that thought with a two centimeter by three centimeter, whatever. Right. Okay. I love that. If you think it shrink it, your mind is your most powerful attribute. And we don't to get good at meditation, we meditate to get good at life. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Right. So it's a good tool. So but keep it busy. There was there was an saying, there was a saying there that this guy went to went to a master and said, I heard you give me a genius.

You have genius. He goes, Yeah, yeah, I do, because, well, here's a genie. And he goes, okay, great. So he uses the genie. And what happens is he says, Well, out you've got keep the genie busy, he'll get you anything you want. But if you don't keep me busy, I'll kill you. The guy said, No problem, no problem. So he said, I want a beautiful house. He gave him a beautiful house. I want a beautiful wife. You give him, you know, with all three wives. Okay, got three life. Okay. I want the car. Anyway, he ran out of things to do.

The genie coming. So he ran up to the guy and said, What do I do? What do I do? Because that's the question you should have asked. He says, Tell the genie to make a poll and tell him to go up and down the pole until you need him. The genie is our mind and the power. The goal is our breath. So keep that genie busy until you need it. You got to go to the store. Call the genie. If you're not going to the store, if you just sitting around, put the genie in a pool anyway. Yeah, it's late. I got to run. I apologize. Love it.

No, you so much for being here and for spending so much time and sharing your wisdom. Real quickly, where can people find you? Well, two places I live in Thailand and I have drlodi.com. It's an easy thing to remember. It's a website for me personally. However, my baby is Oasis of Healing in Arizona and that's anoasisofhealing.com. However, I changed all that. So there's you'll be redirected there if you just write in stopmakingcancer.com com is a lot easier to remember. Beautiful easy river. And then the other thing is every Sunday night I have a which is 7:00 Eastern, I have a two hour livestream where I just answer questions.

So on Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok and you just put in Dr. Thomas Lodi. Dr. Thomas Lodi and join me and we'll answer questions all the time. Yeah, that would be terrific. I would love to join you there. Okay. Excellent. Dr. Thomas Lodi, thank you so much for being here, for sharing your brilliance, for doing what you do and for really making the world a better place. That's what you're doing. You're giving people you think their power. You're giving them back their control, you're restoring their health, and you're making this world a better place.

Thank you so much. You that's really good. You know, do you know, we don't really choose these things. It's our calling it we we just got you know, I didn't sit as a little kid saying I want to be, you know, it just happened. And here we are. We've been blessed to be in this position. And you are, you know, a breast surgeon, oncological surgeon doing this is like phenomenal. It's an amazing transition. And it took so much courage to do what you did. You know, a lot of courage. You got to be willing to say, okay, if I'm going to lose my license, I'd rather be a farmer than do the wrong thing.

And that ethic is what people need to realize. That's an ethic. So Well, here's hoping that I don't lose my license and I continue to do the right thing. But listen, just a real quick thing. While you have an intact license, apply Arizona, get what's called a MDH. Okay. And MDH is a only medical doctors audience can get it. And all you got to do is you're to have to take a course on homeopathy and be able to pass the test. It's not a big deal and they do that. You really handle it. You get licensed as a homeopathic medical doctor.

If something happened, you come here and you can do anything that an MD. would do, except you can do more without being in trouble. The only drawback to this license is that insurance companies don't recognize it, so your patients can't rely on insurance. So if you have a MDH and you don't have your you could have an MD. and an MDH and it's in the state, then you're okay. But if you don't have the MD and let's say you lost it somewhere and then you say you're just an MDH, then you can say you can work with an MD.

if you need to, if people need to get insurance. But as you know, most of the stuff we do isn't covered by insurance anyway. So It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. So but anyway, it's just just for your safety and everything like that is very important. And thank you. Again. I will do that. And I also firmly believe that we are doing God's work and that God will protect us. Yeah, I agree. It's Dr. Jenn. I'll see you real soon. Bye. For now.