What The System Didn’t Tell Him—And How He Beat The Odds

Joe Tippensu2019 Cancer Diagnosis and Treatment 0:00

Well, it is such a pleasure and honor to have you on this. Joe Tippens and, you are somebody that have changed so many people's lives. But it didn't start with changing other people's lives. It it started with changing your own life. So tell me, tell me a little bit about your story and how you are now in this position where you're a rock star all over the world. Well, it's an unlikely story that I would not believe if I didn't live it. But in August of 2016, I was diagnosed with small cell lung cancer.

With the tumor the size of my fist. Really large guy in my lower left lobe. And, went through the, you know, MD Anderson, traditional protocol would be, you know, chemo and radiation. I was lucky that the it was contained in one area. It wasn't it hadn't metastasized yet. So, they came closer to killing me with chemo and radiation than the cancer did. But, that's another story. I at one point in time, they were radiating through six different angles twice a day, targeting that big monster in my lower left lung.

And all six angles went through the same spot on the esophagus. And so they fried my esophagus into bacon, and nothing would go up or down. And I made the very unusual choice of not doing a feeding tube and decided to live off of my fat stores and my muscle stores until my esophagus healed, which was way longer than Mahatma Gandhi's longest hunger strike. I can tell you that I went from 220 pounds to 105 pounds. I'm 510 and pretty big boned. So 105. I was a skeleton with some skin dripping off of it, and that was all successful and my Pet scan in December of 2016 came back and said, well, the good news is we've we've killed the big monster in your lower left lung.

But the bad news is you've got wide metastases from head to toe. So I had already I'm a voracious researcher myself and I knew what that meant. Wide metastasis of small cell lung cancer is equally as bad as for stage pancreatic in terms of survivability. That they told me I had three months to live, you know, go home and get your affairs in order for hospice and say your goodbyes. Well, the very next day, after I was told that, as unlikely as it would sound, a large animal veterinarian in western Oklahoma who I went to college with, he called me up and told me this very unlikely story about a researcher at Merck on the veterinary side, she was doing cancer research, and she had implanted about 400 mice with cancer in all different body parts.

And if you went out to your local zoo, they would they bring in fin vendors all by the truckload because they give it to every single animal in the animal kingdom, both mammal and, aviary. And and aquatic. So fish, birds, mammals, they give it to everybody. So it's not just a dog B wormer. It's, every animal do wormer right, every animal be warmer. And all animals in the zoo come down with the intestinal parasites. And so they have to have literally tons of fin mendez all on hand to take care of all the animals in the zoo.

Well, so her entire mouse population of 400 research mice came down with intestinal parasites, and she did what she had to do to save her research. She gave them off in binders. Oh, and, a few weeks later, she found out she on most of the cases, she'd cured the cancer. And it was just a, a serendipitous discovery. Well, as unlock would have it, that same lady, months later, had fourth stage glioblastoma wrapped around her brain stem, and it was inoperable. And she was told the same thing. I was told, go home and get your affairs in order.

So she started. She decided, what the heck, there's not any downside risk. So she started taking Fin Bean and cured herself of four stage glioma. So that was enough for me to hear. And I didn't do any any more research. I just, went and bought me some fin benders and some other curcumin and of the other products and started that in January of 2017 and my Pet scan in December of 2016. It looked like a Christmas tree. It I was I had it in my neck. It was in my skeleton. It was in my bones. It was in on my liver.

It was really everywhere. And so I went January, February, March and April. No symptoms are supposed to be dead by now. And I kind of went, oh, what was. I don't even know what's going on inside my body. I feel fine. And, went in for my follow up Pet scan in May of 2017, and I was in need. No evidence of disease. And in the entire history of MD Anderson, that's never happened. I'm, I'm not. That's incredible. I'm not so compatible. I, I mean, because I consider and and exactly what you're saying, it is a death sentence.

I have a dear friend, that passed away before

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I was able to kind of work with her, but she, it was the same. Yeah. She stage four and and they nobody could do anything. Yeah. So, well, it's, it was an interest. This by itself was an interesting journey because when I started this, all the way to 2000, early 2017, 90% of 95% of all doctors would say, oh, that guy's a quack. Don't listen to him. And it's that's just internet rumor and B.S.. And when I showed up in bed after being told I had three months to live, the a lot of blank stares on people's faces and wonder what the heck's going on here.

And at that point in time, I did not tell them what I was doing yet. And I went another two quarters. I was doing pits every three months. I won another two quarters and remained in bed. And then I fessed up to my doctors at MD Anderson what I had been taking. And, I would say that in this seven year journey today, there is a huge number of oncologists that will say, I can't prescribe it because it's not human approved, but Winky winky, go ahead and take it. It's not going to hurt you. And it might help as opposed to that guy's a quack and and don't listen to him.

So I've made real progress with the medical community. And I think the cat's out of the bag because, I started and getting because I do business and had done business my whole career in Asia and Europe and North America and friends all over the world started bugging me and calling me and tell me, you know, hear the story about how I cured my, you know, incurable fourth stage cancer. And, was really not up to speed on internet, social media, SEO stuff. And I was extremely naive and I decided to write a blog selfishly on the theory that if I write a blog, they'll read about it and leave me alone.

Well, that couldn't have been further from the opposite. The blog went viral immediately all over the world with no marketing, no nothing. And ended up within three months of launching the blog in March of 2018. It was in 96 countries. And and the numbers just keep blowing up all over the world. I mean, here you have I mean, something that is is so simple, so inexpensive and have such a such a powerful potential, you know, and it's non I mean it's literally nontoxic. I mean it's compared to all the other chemotherapy radiation, I mean, you know, what you went through and here you have, you know, the alternative.

Yeah. Well, look, I, I, this veterinarian, told me to only take it three days a week initially. And his theory was that there was evidence out there that it could, negatively impact the liver. And later I uncovered an actual toxic toxicity trial on it. But by Johns Hopkins. And they determined that 500mg a day in long term, indefinitely is completely safe. And I was only doing 222mg a day, three days a week. So I immediately changed the protocol to seven days a week instead of three. And, I found the the bogus research report that said it could be impactful on the liver and those crazy people wrote a paper at a thousand x the dosage, instead of 222, 200,000mg a day.

And which is you do you do a thousand x anything? You're going to cause problems, right? It's just ridiculous. So, so so, yeah, just want to kind of highlight it again. So the, the the study was on 200,000 milligram and that's when you start to see toxicity. And and like you mentioned if you eat if you eat a thousand times more of, of an apple, you know, you eat a thousand apples a day. Yeah. You're, you're going to have an impact. Yeah. Exactly. So and and combine that with Johns Hopkins actually did a toxicity trial and and it so it is completely safe.

We know that over the eight years I've got millions of people taking this, not just thousands. And there's no side effects. There's absolute zero downside risk. So I have to tell people 100 times a day, well, if the if the downside risk is absolutely zero and there's ample evidence of upside, the only question anybody should ask is why not really? Honestly, I mean, you can't even imagine people thinking, I'm so skeptical. It's it's animal medicine. It's dog medicine, it's sheep medicine. It's horse medicine.

What am I doing here? So it's kind of hard to get people over that initial shock of taking something. That's for a veterinary use only. I mean, the truth of the fact is that first we test things on animals, you know, that we're that's where we start our research. So to kind of downplay saying that, you know, this is animal medicine. Well, all our drugs started on animals. Yeah. Exactly. So, the thing went viral, but, a lot of interesting stories along the way. Remind me to get to you on on the whole country of China, which is really fascinating.

And it didn't do any good to save me from getting bombarded by thousands of emails and and phone calls. So. And, and I had a legion of success stories already had come in. But that time it was I already had over 200 success stories other than me reported in. And all of those success stories were anecdotal. And I'm not running a clinical trial here. And, so I got a local oil and gas billionaire to philanthropically donate some money to the local medical research foundation, which is not a small outfit.

There's 400 PhDs there. And I the purpose of the donation was to start auditing and tracking my successes so that we could take them from anecdotal, he said. She said to this stuff actually is what did the trick. And along the way in that journey, University of Stanford joined their effort. And then the University of Washington in Seattle joined their effort. And, they ended up publishing a paper of auditing some of our success stories. And, you know, the the peer reviewed paper that says you can't ignore this, this these are these are real stories, right?

And it's not anecdotal anymore. So, but I was still getting bombarded and I thought, well, there needs to be a repository for everybody to have discussions about this protocol and what's going on with it and report successes in and everything. So that's when I decided to form a Facebook group. And a lot of people are disappointed with my Facebook group

Going Public and Building the Blog 14:00

because, at the outset, I set the rules to be very tightly controlled around what I'm doing and what my protocol does. Not every subtype of alternative cancer care known to mankind, which there's just hundreds, right? So I set the rule up on the Facebook group that, to enter, you got to be a direct cancer patient or a direct caregiver of a cancer patient, and you have to agree to keep the conversation in the Facebook group limited to my protocol and not anything else in the cancer world. And you have to prove to us that you've actually read the blog and understand what's really going on here.

And so to do that, I embedded I, I asked for volunteers and, and I got it was so cool. I got dozens of people wanted to volunteer to be moderators. So I have moderators pretty much everywhere in time zones. And, they keep a really tight rein on an entrance to the group. And so today there's, approaching 50,000 members of the Facebook group, but I estimate that probably 250,000 have attempted to join unsuccessfully. And there's a reason for that. There are so many multi-level marketers and charlatans and crooks and crazy people out on the internet.

If you don't keep a tight control over a group like that, you you, it gets out of control. And so we keep it very, very tight. But if anybody wants to join, they have to answer all the questions and give the passwords that are embedded in the blog. So that you can prove that you've read the blog. And so that's that's what we did to control the Facebook group, which is great because it's, if you obviously there are plenty of other Facebook groups out there that you can join that deal with, you know, that issue and that issue.

So in regards to your protocol, you want to be able to have conversations around that rather than, take this multilevel product or that mushroom or that, you know, you just want to kind of keep it very clean and PR right now, you know, along the way, quite a few things have happened here. I mean, the Facebook group is great. There's a there's a subcategory on that group called Hashtag positive Progress. And that's where all the success stories are reported in. So one of the things that I was really intent on was understanding.

Exactly. And I'm not a scientist, but I've been in the venture capital business for 43 years, and I've done a lot of drug development VC work. So I'm not a neophyte to the process. I wanted to understand why it's working. And I found out there were three scientists, all PhDs from India, who spent their entire careers focusing on Vin. Vin diesel for cancer, which is really interesting. And in fact, I called these guys and, and, and I have a dialog with them and they go, Joe, we were all three of us were working at MD Anderson in Houston, Texas, ten years ago, working on Vin, Vin Diesel, and I'm going kidding me because nobody at MD Anderson knew anything about it until I came along.

But they were evidently doing research on it. So these guys definitively figured out the three pathways by which it's working. First, as you know, all cancers have a voracious appetite for sugar. Sugar, and if they can't metabolize sugar, they can't live. And these guys proved that the film Vin Diesel is interrupting the cancer cells ability to metabolize sucrose. The second pathway, is, you know, each cancer cell has a microtubule in the cell wall. If a layman could just think of it as a pillar holding up the the cell wall.

But that microtubules not only is for structural integrity of the cancer cell, it's also what allows a cancer cell to divide and multiply. Two becomes four, becomes eight, becomes 16 becomes 32. And they proved important empirically that the Vin Vin Diesel is knocking out the microtubules, which collapses the cell and and stops its ability to divide and multiply. And the third pathway, which I think is even the coolest of the three, is all healthy people that do not have cancer have a really healthy level of the cancer killing gene floating through their body 24 over seven killing cancer cells and keeping them from metastasis.

And it's called p53, is the gene. And those of us that get cancer likely one of two things just happened either for some ungodly reason, our level of p53 is dropped to the point where it really can't do its job killing cancer anymore, which I think is a minor amount of the cases. I think the vast majority of the cases, for some reason, their p53 has mutated to the point where it can't kill cancer anymore. And these guys have proven that in Vin Diesel is producing new healthy, wild type p53 in the body, which is why I even think it's a really good prophylactic if somebody wants to take and take it three days a week as a preventative medicine, I think it's I think it's wise.

Yeah. And especially considering, I mean, we're we're approaching like one out of to be diagnosed with cancer at some point. Yeah. So it's kind of like driving a car if you're out there and know that one out of two people are going to be in a car accident, you know, you want to have a seatbelt on, you know, so, so to me that that that makes sense. And the p53, I mean, that's known as a guardian of the gene. Yeah. And so, you want to have that guardian as strong and healthy as possible and, and, and, you know, with when you do chemo radiation, if the p53 is dysfunctional, the chemo radiation doesn't work as well.

Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I now have, I believe, over 6000 success cases. I could tell you some of the most amazing ones. I mean, everybody knows that fourth stage, pancreatic is a death sentence, as is mine. You know, wide metastasis, small cell is a death sentence. We've got multiple successes with fourth stage pancreatic cancer. And those are those were interesting cases because for 18 months, these are people that were told they had three months to live. And for 18 months, the fin biodiesel. It didn't kill the cancer, but it just kept it at bay and allowed them to live a normal lifestyle way beyond their life expectancy.

And then and there's seven of those cases. And then a lot about the 18 month mark after taking fin benders over 18 months, they just miraculous he showed up is no evidence of disease, which is never happened in four stage pancreatic cancer ever. And and to this day I'm the sole data outlier on wide metastasis, small cell lung cancer in MD Anderson history.

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So yeah. Yeah I mean all those are you know your your veterinarian friend. Yeah. That that's an outlier. I mean there's nobody that beats that. Yeah. And then you have you know stage four pancreatic. So we have now literally thousands of outliers. They're not they're no longer outliers right. Yeah. So I it's really fun. So you know, I every week and now that I have podcasts like this, people know what I look like with my crazy orange glasses. And, I was in a Irish pub in Zurich, Switzerland last fall, and a thirtysomething female bartender said, You're Joe Tip and aren't you?

And I said, wow, you know who? You recognize me? And he she goes, yeah. She got up on a stool and yelled at the bar to shut up. And then she yelled at the bar that this man saved my mother's life. I mean, you can't make this stuff up. I'm in Zurich, Switzerland, and, you know, again. And then the same thing happened in a in a restaurant in London, and I, I recently got a phone call and I, I tell people, if, if you really need to talk to me, it needs to be somebody I know or something. I just can't answer unknown phone numbers because I get so many phone calls a day, I could never get anything else done.

But I got a call from a China country code and, intellectual curiosity. I answered it, and this guy had a perfect British accent. Obviously educated in Hong Kong. And he said, my bosses asked me to call you. And I said, well, who are you and who are your bosses? He said, well, I'm the editor in chief of Beijing News, and I well, that means your bosses are the Chinese government. He said, duh. Yeah, yeah. So why are you calling me? And this is where it gets really hilarious. He said, well, first of all, do you realize you're a rock star in China?

I said, well, how in the heck am I a rock star in China? And he said, a, an MD PhD student at Arizona State University from China took it upon himself to translate my blog into two different dialects. And he stood up to websites in China and they said each of those websites has had over 10 million views. It's just in China. That's 20 million views in China. And he said, and this is where he gets really funny. And he said, And Joe, we happen to believe there's over 60,000 people in China on the quote unquote, Uncle Joey protocol.

And I went, Uncle Joey, what in the heck is the Uncle Joey protocol? And they said, well, he said, we've gotten to the bottom of that one. He said, you have a niece named Casey, and she referred to you on Facebook as Uncle Joey. And the people in China took that as a term of endearment. So the whole country of China calls you Uncle Joey. Etc.. So China, China is extended family right now, right? Is Beijing. So, I, you know, I get I do all of this pro bono because for one reason only, I get comments virtually every week that the reason people believe I'm credible is because I'm not monetizing it.

And as soon as I start monetizing it, I'm just going to be another crazy guy on the internet selling something right? So I don't monetize it now, I, I deserve to get monetized from it because I'm working my butt off for free, but I don't know how to do that without damaging the credibility of the entire story. So and here you have, you know, your life was given back and, so obviously, you know, you're you're and like I said, when I get three new, I say, I saved their life stories a week. That's compensation in and of itself, you know?

Yeah, yeah. It's, it's been a crazy journey. And it's absolutely cancer agnostic. Cancer subtype agnostic. I was on, a podcast with the guys at Ultra Botanica and Josh Bellew, and somebody called in and asked the question, is there a kind of cancer you had? It hasn't worked for? And I said, well, as a matter of fact, I still haven't found a success story with triple negative breast cancer. And five minutes later, two ladies called in and said, I've got triple negative breast cancer. And it worked for me.

One okay, there you have it. Right? So, you know, just really insane stories on prostate cancer. Guys, I know a man personally. His PSA went from 1100 to 2. Only take in Vin Bandito. And so I would say prostate cancer is probably the number one, success story in terms of quantity. Lots and lots and lots and lots of successes. Yeah. We had we, we had one, gentleman that I interviewed, you know, on this, this show, as a number of months ago, maybe even a year ago that had, cancer of the prostate and not prostate.

The bladder. And so they, they scoped saw the cancer there. He didn't want to do anything. So I'd taken some pandesal and changed his diet. And then after a little while, you know, he peed out this, this kind of thick, nasty, you know, substance. And, and then after having done that, they scoped them again and the cancer was gone. So he must have kind of peed out the tumor. You know, it was it's real funny. Yeah, it is, but yeah. So, you know, I tell people it's pretty simple. And so let me tell you about the rest of the protocol, because that changed over time.

I originally put in the protocol curcumin, but I then found a bioavailable curcumin that raised the absorption into the blood from, like, 2% that you buy over the counter, which is worthless. I would not recommend anybody buy curcumin. It just over the counter. And I found a, company that making a bioavailable curcumin that takes that to 15%. Well, then I stumbled onto the guys at Ulta Botanica who take that from 15% up to 85% because their entire technology stack is about taking anything that's not absorbable into the bloodstream and making it absorbable, which is really cool.

So I ended up changing the protocol to the to the, Ultra Botanica guys. And I really believe in what they're doing. And so if anybody is interested in the actual protocol, there's a protocol tab at the top of the blog, and it's all explained there in detail. And the blog is, I don't know if you've announced to people where the blog is, but it's WW dot my cancer story all one word.org rocks. So our rocks replaces.com and it's my cancer story. Rocks a lot of it. That's I it is that kind of a one that you can just kind of create yourself the outcome that rocks.

Yeah. I actually also own the domain cancer dot sucks. I love. It so that's awesome. Yeah. So, no, it's, my cancer street rocks, and there's a protocol tab at the very top that you click on. And so. So what? Well, so one of the questions, you know, that a lot of people, they kind of play around with the dosages of how much foam bend dissolve to take, you know, they go up to high, they go up to, you know, stay at the 222, do you see, have you heard of it being better to be at a higher dose versus lower dose.

Does it make a difference. No. I'm, I'm staying with 222mg a day, seven days a week. But I know there are literally thousands of people that have experience with 2X3X4X. That dosage. And probably the cool thing is that nobody's really reported any side effects or any harmful effects from increasing the dosage. And since I'm not running a clinic clinical trial I really can't keep track of was three. It's way more effective than one x you know? But I just tell people, you know, if you increase the dosage, that's fine.

Just if, if, if you're taking blood work on a regular basis. If you're if your liver enzymes spike it all, you can just cut back back to one X again and keep doing. You know, it's kind of it's up to how people want to experiment with their own bodies. But I can tell you that tons of people out there are using the increased dosages. And then and I would probably increase the dosage for me if I have a recurrence. So yeah, I think one of the negative things that's happened out there, however, is and it's just disgusting.

I've got many websites out there using my name. My picture and the Joe tip ins protocol and selling substandard fin vendors, all from China or Eastern Europe. We've taken it and and tested all those products, and they're not even worth close to, you know, a fin. Been there like 40% of what they say. There is a 30% of what they say there is in fin vendors, active in vendors of. And there's no way I can police all those guys. I I'd be sending cease and desist letters at 20 times a day, be a full time job.

So I just let them go. I mean, you know, just disgusting people all making money off of my story when I'm the only one in the whole story. Not making money off of my story. So. And spending 30 to 40 hours a week. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. For nothing. So. Yeah, you know, and so I tell people do not buy fin vendors from any source other than Merck. Yeah. It's easy to get. You can get it in granular form for dogs. You can get it in paste form for goats. You can get it in liquid form. So and there's two brands.

Merck has two brands. One is called panic heresy, and the other brand is called safeguard. No difference in the two products are both identical, just two different creative branding. But by Merck. So, I don't know, to the extent of where people get it outside of the United States or how easy it is to get outside of the United States. But in the United States, it's not a problem. You online Tractor Supply, you know, pet stores, I mean, everybody carries it. So it's pretty, pretty readily available.

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And there's reasons why I added everything else onto the protocol for a botanica. And they have figured out that it not all CBDs cannabinoids are effective at cancers. Only certain ones are in they also there was a scientist, PhD scientist also from China at the University of Oklahoma, who spent his entire career studying the effects of frankincense on cancer. And, so these guys took the right cannabinoids that actually impact cancer, and they added frankincense. So they're on go. One is CBD and frankincense, but it's the right combinations.

There aren't Co two is there 85% absorbable. Curcumin with quercetin in it as well. And in their own Co three replaces metformin that Jane has in her protocol. Because that's but that's a prescription drug. And so there aren't Co three is berberine which mimics naturally what metformin does in terms of lowering blood sugar. And so anytime you can lower blood sugar and keep it away from the cancer cells that's good. So that's why I change the protocol to be good. Vin, Vin Diesel plus these other three items, and it's working like a charm.

It's really, really cool. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know where to go from here. I would love so the dilemma, everybody always asked the same question. Well, if it's being that success, how come it isn't mainstream and and I'm my answer is pretty simple. It takes somewhere in the neighborhood of 350 to $400 million to do a full blown phase one, phase two, phase three clinical trial. And this drug has been off patent for 30 years. So somebody would have to do something stupid, like spend $350 million only to have generic competition the next day.

And that's just not going to happen. The one party that should do a clinical trial because what percentage of our total Medicare, expenditure in the federal government is cancer? It's it approaches 50%. So they they're spending billions on cancer. And the United States government would be the one party that would benefit by making this immediately available by prescription. Yeah, that I don't know how to tackle that politically. No, no. Yeah. Because, you know, the powers that be, the, the pharmaceutical lobbying money is, is quite large.

So it'd be and I think economically it, it is just not beneficial to cure cancer. Well, so in my blog, there's an article I posted in my blog and the and it was a USA today article and the headline says Goldman Sachs says curing cancer is not a good business model. Can you even believe that? And I'll tell you another interesting conversation I've had probably 30 times with doctors that was disgusting to me. I've had doctors say, well, I don't want my patients taking this. And why? Well, because if it works, if they get, cured of cancer, we won't know whether it was, traditional medicine or you're, you're medicine that did it.

And my answer is, is if if you've signed a Hippocratic oath, why do you care? Let the scientists figure out which is which. But if it works, it works. And you got a happy customer instead of a dead customer, you know, and the fact that they want to not take, not take it because they wouldn't know if it was what worked, is just insane to me. Well, it become a moral dilemma for them because one, you know, if if that is what cures the patient, then the treatments that they offer wouldn't be necessary.

And so now all of a sudden they're out of a job, right? Yeah. Well, my oncologist at MD Anderson, he said, I'll put it this way, Joe. Our hospital sits in the Houston Medical Center, which is 53 hospitals in the center and 110,000 employees. And that's just one area of Houston, Texas. And it's that that story is multiplied on every city in America. And so you're talking about a huge, huge enterprise that just can't be disintermediated and taken out. So, I think the only the worst thing that could happen to my people, I have a, I call them is if the firm Pharma Power with the FDA gets the FDA to shut this down to veterinary prescription only, because then access to it would just go away pretty much.

Which is really. Yeah. And and then you've, you would then start to rely on things out of Hong Kong or China or and and products and and not and not made in, class 100 clean room environments. And you know, FDA, GMP manufacturing facilities and, you know, you get made in a shop in Poland or somewhere. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, exactly. And then stretch it out with cornstarch or whatever to do. Yeah. Make make more money per ounce. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So well, thank you so much for everything you're doing.

I mean, and it's always fascinating to me, you know, patients coming in and and saying, well, kind of like it's a secret. And they just found out about it that. Well, do you know about this? This from Ben Diesel? Yeah. Or this, dog the worm or, you know, what do you think about that? So, yeah, I'll tell you. I'll tell you a fun two stories of why Stanford and University of Washington joined in the effort. A ObGyn, cancer, MD, PhD, at Stanford had I can't remember whether it was 2 or 3 miraculous recoveries that were unexplainable.

She brought them in for interviews to her house, to her hospital, and they all three said, well, I'm on the Joe Tipton's protocol. And she goes, what the heck is that? You know? And then so she started digging. Found the story about Oklahoma medical Research Foundation, actually, you know, auditing. And so she called up and joined the effort. And then the exact same thing happened at the University of Washington in Seattle. And it was a prostate cancer guy. And, he had a miraculous recovery that was unexplainable and brought the guy and talked to him.

He says, well, I'm on the Joe tip to this protocol. He goes, okay, okay, there's something to it. So it's, part of my life now that I cannot escape. Right. But it's fun. It's also fun, too. And, a lot of people wonder about children. I mean, do you have children dealing with, you know, people are getting cancer younger. Younger.

Dosage, Safety, and Closing Reflections 42:00

Here, here's what I say, because it's the only way I can answer it truthfully. You know, first of all, in my blog and Whitney, where I talk, I make sure people know I'm not a doctor and I'm not a scientist. I am under the First Amendment allowed to tell my story. Right? And so when somebody asked me a question about a two year old child, it's only ways, you know, 40 pounds. I immediately say the following. I cannot give you that advice. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist. But what I can say is if it was my grandson, he'd be on it.

And, and, And I did dosage, you know, 100mg a day. Yeah, yeah. And I'm, I'm sure there's somebody that's written stories, you know, about you know, such and such child. You know, my child took it and, had great results. I mean, I'm sure you received a number of those. I've had a few of those, but I, you know, they're in a gazillion people giving it to children out there. Now. And so I don't really know that I don't in all of this. I don't know what the denominator is. You know, I can tell you that out of the 6000 cases I know about, I'm absolutely certain that the successes are three times higher than that, that I don't know about.

Because every week I hear from somebody that had success five years ago and they're just now telling me about it. Right. And so I know the, the, the numerator is way larger than what I know about. What I don't know is what's the denominator and how many people out there total I don't know about. You know, I can tell you, in my opinion, in the cases where it hasn't worked is because people just started too late. They it was just beyond, repair. And so it didn't work. So but having said that, there's a whole lot of people in the camp that were sent home to die in hospice who are now living healthy.

And for cancer free. So those are the ones I'm really proud of. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. And then, yeah, that's the thing that is a lot not a lot of downside. So you know why not. Yeah. Yeah there's really no. And it damn said you know maybe about 5% of the patients report mild diarrhea as a side effect. But I'm going if it's only 5% and these people all have cancer, that 5% isn't in being caused by fender bender. So. Well and then the diarrhea may just be that they're getting rid of parasites you know.

So we're well you know there's a lot of scientists out there I think there's a link between parasites and, cancer and that the reason fin benzo was working is it's killing the parasites. And that's not true. What's killing it is the three pathways I described earlier, which are way more impressive than killing a parasite. I agree, I agree. Well, thank you for taking this time. I really appreciate you. You know, telling your, you know, telling this powerful story and, allowing people to have access to the information, in a very simple and clear way so that they can, you know, try it out for themselves because we're we're facing, you know, cancer is being you know, it.

I mean, it's just exponentially growing. And so we need tools like this that are safe and effective. Yeah. So well, I might add one last thing. Along the journey, I ran into a guy named Bruce Lipton. Do you know Bruce? I've, I've, I've I've heard it. I don't know him personally, but I know him very well. Yeah. I mean, know of him very well. I should say I well, it was kind of an eye opening moment when I discovered Bruce because he's a scientist that has actually connected the dots scientifically with a direct connection between your thinking up here in your brain and what's happening at the cellular level in your body.

And the day I was told I had three months to live and go home and hire hospice and say your goodbyes, I can't explain why I'm just wired that way, but I was 100% positive that I was going to kick the cancer, and I remain positive every single day. And I now question how much of my success and journey is because of that positive thinking, and how much was because of benders, you know. But, I think it's a if, if the inverse is also has to be true. Well, if you're negative Nelly and constantly you go to woe is me and and feeling sorry for yourself and and not believing in the power of the brain and positive thinking, then I'm sure it also has negative impacts at the cellular level as well.

So I leave that with the food for thought. Then benzo plus a positive thinking. Well, and at the end of the day, you know, whether whether it was that or this kind of like the the oncologist you know, it it really it really doesn't matter as long as it worked. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't really care. You know. Right. Well thank you so much Joe. This is been great. Thank you so much.