Mitochondria, Cancer & Integrated Care

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

I’m excited to be here and I’m excited about the topics we’re gonna talk about today.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

That is amazing, I am too. This is actually my first interview where I’m actually talking about this stuff with someone and this is quite, it’s peaked my interest very much. Well, before we get started, why don’t you introduce yourself? Tell us a little bit about who you are.

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

Well, I’m Dr. Michael Karlfeldt, I’m a Naturopathic doctor, I’ve been in clinical practice since 87. I run a very busy integrative clinic here in Boise, Idaho, and one of my specialties in this integrative cancer, so people fly to me from all over United States and we have a very unique specialized program to support patients that are dealing with cancer. But we also focus on neurological disorders, chronic infections, and also regenerative medicine. So, yeah, this is what we’re gonna be talking about today is one of my passions and one of my loves, and I’m really excited to be here with you. As some of the other things other resources that people may be interested in, I do a podcast Integrative Cancer Solution with Dr. Karlfeldt on iTunes and also Integrative Line Solutions with Dr. Karlfeldt on iTunes. Also have a radio show, Helpmate Radio where I interview a lot of leading experts in the integrative field, so that’s a great resource and that can be found on my website, theKarlfeldtcenter.com. So yeah, a lot of good information out there that I’ve tried to put forth. And that’s why some is so important just to kinda bring out good information.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Absolutely, thank you so much for that background and for giving us the information for where people can actually get further information. So tell me, why is it that you specialize in integrative cancer?

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

Well, I mean, there are a number of things. I mean, one is that, I mean, we haven’t solved the rid of cancer. We declared war on cancer but it looks like we’re failing. I mean, we are failing that war. It doesn’t look like what we are failing after all the billions and billions of dollars we poured into it, we’re not even close to finding a solution and it looks like it is an industry that kind of feeds itself, meaning that there’s so many interested parties making sure that they still have a job. So if we find a solution and we end this search, then all of a sudden this multi-billion dollar industry, all of a sudden just disappears and that’s gonna impact the economy for a lot of people. So, the interest is not really there to find a solution, so then we need to have people like myself, that kinda work on the outside and try to figure out what can we do, but also have a personalized reason for it. My father, he did actually die from cancer. He died from colon cancer, and this was very early in my career and I didn’t have a very good relationship with it. So I didn’t find out about it until a number of months after he had passed away, which obviously is very difficult when you’re not part of that process when your father passing away. And when you may have solutions, it was early in my career. So, I wasn’t equipped with all the tools that I have now, but at least to be able to be part of the process and then maybe kinda be of assistance. So with that background, it’s something that I’m very passionate about, and I really want to be there for people that are going through this process as are battling cancer, because it is a very difficult and confusing time, and people feel so scared and hopeless, and helpless, and so to have somebody that can guide them through that process, it feels really good. It feels good to be there and to be able to bless them with that gift.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Wow, having something personal like having your father die from colon cancer kind of gives you that little bit of fire to do this and also to have the passion because had you known what you know now, your father’s cancer might have been treated a little bit differently. So, tell me how does integrative cancer care differ from traditional cancer care like the one that your father received back then?

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

Well, I mean, if you look at more the traditional cancer therapies, they haven’t really evolved that much, even though we have billions of dollars poured into it. It still looks at the surgery, obviously yes, they are better at doing surgeries, but it’s still surgery, it’s still cutting. And then we get to poison, which would be the chemo, which chemo can we use to more effectively kill the cancer, still not really recognizing the impact that it has on the rest of the body. And then we have the burning, the radiation, we try to just kind of burn that area to see if we can make sure we kill that whole area so that it cannot replicate. I mean, all the cancer cells are dead. So we’re still kind of focusing, we’ve become tumor focused, and try to go after just the tumor not recognizing that the cancer is a systemic disease. They have brought in a couple of more tools. One is obviously working on the hormones, hormone blockers, and then immunotherapy, but they’re very, immunotherapy we had for, oh, I’m sorry, hormone therapy we had for a while, immunotherapy it’s still evolving and trying to figure out when it’s applicable and when it’s useful. So with integrative cancer care, I mean, what you’re doing is that you are then actually looking at the body as a whole, and you recognize that the cancer exists within an environment. 

And it’s that environment that allowed that cancer to come forth. And by shifting the environment, you are then shifting how the cancer is expressing itself. And so you’re then looking at how, what is the individual eating? What kind of emotional environment is the person in, the nutritional, the toxic, and all these factors you want to look at in order to be able to then shift the environment so that we can then more effectively address, support the body’s ability to address the cancer. So, it’s kinda like trying to get rid of a rat infestation, I mean, if you keep just going after the rats, you’re gonna have a losing battle, but if you then start to clean up the neighborhood and clean up the environment, then all of a sudden the rats have nothing to feed on. And then they shift into some other location. And it’s the same type of strategy that integrative cancer care you utilizes with patients that are dealing with cancer, is to make sure that we address the environment. So that, that way, healthy cells become healthier, and they’re less prone to be converted into cancers. And also the cancer cells has an nothing to feed on. So they starve and die. And then we can combine that with other type of therapies that we’re gonna talk a little bit more about that can then really go after, support the body’s ability to go after the cancer cells.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

PEMF actually works quite similar and might be a good add-on to some of the integrative things that you do because PEMF brings oxygen to the cells. It increases the circulate, it decreases the inflammation, and it really does help to build new cells. So that actually would be a good marry-in with some of the other things that you’re doing. And in that token, tell me what new strategies, new integrative cancer treatment therapies that’s new and upcoming.

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

Yeah, and that’s the thing. It’s so exciting to be, I would say today in Integrative Cancer Therapies. ‘Cause you’re looking back 20 some years ago, I mean, yes, there were some strategies, but they were very, it was mostly just here’s a vitamin C and here’s a diet you’re looking mostly at, kinda like a Gerson type of diet, which is still really, really effective in many, many cases. And the vitamin C, obviously it is a standard, high dose vitamin C is really, really powerful. But now we are realizing more tools now we can bring to the table. I mean, like for instance, repurposed drugs is a kind of a new thing where we’re bringing in different pharmaceuticals that are fairly benign that can then be used to shut down a bunch of the cancer drivers. Like you have doxycycline, different statins, like atorvastatin, you have aspirin, simple aspirin, you have doxycycline which works on the mitochondria. You have let me see, mebendazole which is anti-parasitic but it also then works very well in shutting down a bunch of the cancer drivers. So, that is an exciting area that we are exploring how to use these different pharmaceuticals like Claritin who knew that that was gonna be a powerful tool? And then like you’re mentioning the PEMF, when you’re looking at the cancer, you look at, what are some of the changes that are going on in cancer? How can we address that? The traditional care they’ve been going after just the fast, set replicating cells, but in cancer, there are so many other factors involved. 

So the chemo, the radiation, it can go after these cells, and looks like the tumor shrinking, and the cancer patient get very excited and think, “Yay, we’re winning the war,” but there’s so many other factors like the cancer stem cells. And then we have the slow dividing cells, that account for a huge portion of what we’re dealing with cancer. So, frequently then when you do traditional care, the cancer pops up again. So, to bring in these other strategies along with, becomes even more powerful, you have one thing that I’m really passionate about is Photodynamic Therapy, and that is utilizing then a photosensitizer that attaches itself to cancer cells. And it gets into the cancer cells and using then a light intravenous line externally in order to be able to create oxidation of the cancer cells to kill off the cancer cells. We’re also looking at different kind of nanoplatelet, nanoparticles that we can use also to increase the delivery of photosensitizer or agents that can then go after the cancer cells. And then combining that with oxygen therapies like hyperbaric or different ozone type of therapies, or I have another machine at our center called the . So, these are just some kind of up and coming fun strategies that exist. And that we’re implementing a lot in our practice with great success.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Wow, that is so interesting that something as simple as doxycycline, which you’ve heard for many years and then Claritin.

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

Yeah, and one of the strategies also involves going after the metabolic process of the cancer, because we are recognizing the difference within a cancer cell and a normal cell. So kind of that mitochondrial activity to address that becomes a really important strategy as well. And we’re doing more and more of that.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Wow, so when I had really bad acne as a teenager, well, really the acne went into my 30s and I still had acne. And I remember using doxycycline. That was one of the things, and I was actually on that for a very long time to be able to get that under control. So, something like that to be able to work in combination with some other stuff is quite interesting. You mentioned mitochondria, what exactly is in mitochondria?

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

So the mitochondria is like the energy factory of the cell. I mean, that’s where we produce everything that we need in order for the cell to function. And what’s interesting with the mitochondria is that about 40% of the cell of the cell mass is actually mitochondria. So, that’s how important it is. And the mitochondria controls any kind of genetic repair. So if the genes start to become dysfunctional, then the mitochondria support and the repair of the genetic of the genome. And then also it controls the cell death switch of the mitochondria or of the cell. So obviously if the cell becomes too far gone, then we wanna make sure that we kill that cell off. So we can then have a birth of another cell that gives space another cell. And that cell material then becomes building blocks for that new cell. So the mitochondria plays a huge role in us staying healthy. Obviously as we are aging, our mitochondria doesn’t function as well. So it is crucial then to utilize strategies to make sure that the mitochondria is functioning well, so we can repair our muscles, we can repair our joint, we can feel healthy and vital. We can feel happy, energetic, focused, so mitochondrial medicine is really one of those up and coming medicines as well in regenerative medicine, but it plays such a huge role also in cancer when you’re dealing with cancer, just because of its role and that it controls that apoptosis, that cell death switch. And that is one of the hallmarks of cancer, is that it is immortal. And the reason for that is that it bypasses that cell death switch, it bypasses the mitochondrial function and the mitochondria is very dysfunctional and that’s why, the genetic material becomes so altered and deranged and it moves in to that point where it becomes cancer. So, obviously to support the mitochondria becomes really, really important when you’re dealing with cancer.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

And PEMF actually works, can actually help with that because PMF works on the cells. So, that actually, again, brings in how PEMF can actually be integrated into all of this. A lot of times people, they don’t work on prevention. They wait until there is a full blown problem and then they decide they’re gonna start working on it then. In terms of cancer, how important is it to prevent cancer?

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

Yeah, and the best strategy is obviously never to get it.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Right. Right.

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

Prevention is the key, and it’s just fascinating. I mean, here we’re looking at a disease that is probably gonna touch soon the statistics of one out two, is probably very soon gonna be looking at getting cancer. So, is really at the percentage of people at some point of their life getting cancer, I mean, that is just increasing, and it’s actually almost prime to pass cardiovascular disease as a number one cause of death. And we’re looking at one out of four of people dying from cancer. So, with those types of statistics, you would think that people would really kinda look at what can I do to minimize my risk since this is such a high risk at some point in my life? So, then to go after such a core piece that plays such a huge role like the mitochondria, is something that people I think really should focus on. So, and PEMF like you mentioned, I love PEMF and that’s something when you’re dealing with cancer, it’s such a complex disease. You can’t just take this one pill and say that now I’m fighting, now battling cancer and winning cancer. No, you gotta work on it from so many different angles. And, and PEMF is one of those fantastic angles that really helps with inflammation and then turning on the mitochondria. And also one of the things that they’ve seen is that it kind of like punches holes in the cancer cell wall, a cancer cell wall making them leaky. So, it actually kills cancer, supports a body kill off cancer cells that way. So, things that you can do for the mitochondria there, obviously you want to eat a clean diet you want to make sure that you eat food that is very organic and provide the nutrients that the mitochondria needs. You have the different B vitamins one of the supplements that I love it’s a poly-MVA which is incredible in activating the mitochondria. You have supplements like CoQ10 is incredible. 

L-Carnitine, you have the B vitamins, you have L-glutamine. You have, I mean, there’s so many NAD glutathione, in fact, like glutathione, they’ve seen that people that, I mean, the length of your life, they say is just showing how important glutathione is. The length of your life is directly proportional to the amount of glutathione that you have. So that’s how important it is, is one of our major antioxidants. And one of our key detoxifiers and is also one of the key components within being able to produce energy. So, looking at all these different strategies to turn on mitochondria becomes important. And then at our center, we use another type of therapy called, I talked a little bit about Photodynamic Therapy, where you use an intravenous laser light to support going after cancer cells, but, what it also does, it turned on the mitochondria. So, it actually activates that mitochondria, within the mitochondria, you have different stations, that you turn on this one and then it turns on the next, it’s called the electron transport chain and/or within that you have different complexes, these different stations and they’ve seen that the different colors that we use in our intravenous laser therapy or external, and it’s also the different colors obviously that exist in the sun. So to be out in the sunlight, becomes really important to activate your mitochondria. They turn on these different stations to really activate the flow of electron through the mitochondria. And that is what really kind of makes sure that you kind of turn on energy within the body. You also have oxygen that is like the key component. There’s no energy that can produce without oxygen. So, to be out exercising, and be out in fresh air, utilizing therapies like Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy or Intravenous Ozone, these are other strategies that you can do to really kind of make sure that your mitochondria is as active and healthy and vigorous and happy as possible.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Right. Right. Oh, wow, that is some really good information. I guess even just for general health to be able to prevent a lot of other things as well, and the mitochondria is so important. What are some of the things that can damage a mitochondria?

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

Yeah, so we live in a toxic world, so I mean, it’s impossible to exist without being exposed to any kind of toxin. So, you want to kinda look around and all of these have a damaging and limiting effect on the mitochondria. So, things like heavy metals, the different chemicals that exist. And then also as our immune system is challenged, you have also certain infectious agents that’s important to look at. So, you have like parasites, you have mold, or have you lived in a moldy house, or your work environment, has there been any kind of water damage there? And you’re exposed to these mold spores that are complete continually suppressing your immune system, but also suppressing your mitochondria trauma. Emotional trauma I say is a big thing, because actually if we hold on to resentment or hold on to trauma, that can also down regulate that our mitochondria. So, it is important then to kinda survey your house and kinda look through and see what are some of the chemicals that I’m exposed to within my house? What are my cleaning agents? What do I wash my hair with? I soap my toothpaste. 

Also, you have we talked about PEMF, how important that is as well, because we are exposed to a lot of artificial frequencies, a lot of the EMF that are unnatural to our body. So then utilizing obviously PEMF then to help to kind of normalize our frequencies within our body and to kind of help that vibration within the body. So, all these different things can then interfere with our mitochondrial activity. And then obviously if we don’t have the nutrition needed to be able to feed our mitochondria and support the activity of the mitochondria. And so that becomes a factor as well. So all these things are really important to look at in regards to trauma. I did an interview on my radio show, With Dr. Mark Willin, that I really, really like talking about his book that he just came out with. I can’t remember the name off top of my head, but you can find the interview on my website theKarlfeldtcenter.com, where you kind do an investigation as to where possible traumas are coming from. And even though we may not consciously think of them, they are subconsciously stored and then interfere with our mitochondrial activity and can then put our body more at risk for diseases like cancer.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Wow, absolutely, sometimes the simplest things you didn’t even realize that the stuff that you are cleaning your house with, or you’re taking a shower every day and the soaps and all the stuff that you’re putting you kind of just think that maybe cancer is just one of those things that you, it was one big event that actually happened. And I’m sure the cells are different, damage cells are different than healthy cells. How is cancer cells, the activity in the cancer cell different than the activity in a healthy cell?

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

So, and that is the interesting part That has really brought forth different strategies in Integrative Cancer Care and how to address people that are battling cancer is recognizing that, I mean, we talked about the fast dividing cells, that traditionally we use chemo and radiation and for, but we’re missing then the slow dividing cells and we’re missing the cancer stem cells, so to address them, the mitochondrial, the metabolic activity of the cancer becomes really, really important because they do differ. A healthy cells versus a cancer cells, their metabolic activity is different. So one of the things is that obviously for a healthy cell to exist it needs a lot of oxygen. So if we bring oxygen, then the mitochondria is healthy, and then the say genetic material is repaired, a lot of energy is available to be able to repair the cell as a whole and to detoxify, get rid of toxins out of it, ’cause it has the energy to do it. But if the cells start to become a little bit hypoxic, which means that it doesn’t have enough oxygen in it, then all of a sudden the mitochondria is not functioning as well, and it has a tendency then to shift towards more a fermentation cycle where it actually just ferments sugar for energy. And the issue with that is that it’s a very inefficient way to produce energy. So, we talked about ATP as being the currency, your kind of energy currency. You produce a very low amount of ATP through that fermentation cycle, but it still benefits the cancer because that process in itself produce a lot of cancer signaling substances like lactate for instance. 

Lactate helps to promote metastases and helps to promote kind of conversion of the environment around the tumor to become cancerous. So, it does benefit the cancer tremendously to kind of have that inefficient way of producing energy. The only challenge for the cancer though is that it needs a lot of energy, it needs a lot of material to bring it forth. So, if we can then utilize strategies to kinda shut off that fermentation cycle and then drive the energy more towards the mitochondria, then we can then stop the creation of these kind of signaling molecules that then promote cancer to invade and to grow. And then looking at the mitochondria in itself on the mitochondria in a cancer cell is very dysfunctional. And they’ve seen, I talk about these different complexes, these different chain or stations within that electron transport chain and where kind of the electrons just flow through. And that is what produce the energy. So the scene that especially with complex one or station number one and station number three is very leaky. So when you produce energy through that chain it’s not very efficient. It’s kinda like leaking oil in a way and then start to kind of destroy the engine. 

So, it starts to then leak then these kinda oxidative or what’s called reactive oxygen species into the cell and then can then cause actually if there’s too much of this reactive oxygen species within this cell, then in itself will then kill the cell. Because like chemo and radiation, there what’s called oxidative therapy where you oxidize the cell and you create reactive oxygen species. So, if we can do that very targeted, meaning that the cells that have these dysfunctional mitochondria and then support, and really drive a lot of energy through that mitochondria, we can then create a lot of leakage of these reactive oxygen species within the cell to create that stress and to kill it off. So that’s why these mitochondrial strategies become so important to go after the cancer cells, because one, it shifted away from the fermentation cycle where we then inhibiting all these different cancer signaling molecules from being produced. And secondly, we kind of put more stress on the mitochondria to produce these oxidative chemicals that then kill off the cell. And then thirdly, like I mentioned earlier, the mitochondria have the cell depth switch. That’s the one that actually pushed a button to say, this cell is gonna die. So we are then activating kind of the lethal button of the cancer cells to kill it off that way. So that’s really, so you can see kind of the difference and by utilizing that difference, you can then go after very targeted go after the cancer cell, by using something that is healthy and beneficial for all the healthy cells, but not beneficial for the cancer cells.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

So, I guess that’s what happens when you sort of turn on the mitochondria in, within a cancer cell, is that pretty much what you’re explaining?

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

Exactly, so you’re actually then turning on the cell death switch, and you are causing more reactive oxygen species or these oxidative substances to be created within the cancer cell. And so if you use something like the Intravenous Laser Therapy that I use with the different colors, then you are then driving energy through that mitochondria. And then also you can use different supplements to help to turn off then the fermentation cycle. And you can use your diet like one that’s been used a lot like the ketogenic they’re talking about it, but you can do a kind of a clean ketogenic where you are not doing a bunch of overloading with meat and bad fats and things. So, that is a strategy, or also when you are using a lot of kind of plant-based type of food, you’re then increasing it, it’s almost becoming like an oxidative stress within the cancer cell. But then you’re promoting then kind of anti-inflammatory substances for the healthy cells that can handle that.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Wow, that is very interesting. Now there’s talk about stem cell. You hear it all over. I’ve even had patients who have had cancer, several patients and personal friends as well. And there’s talk about stem cell. What are your thoughts on stem cell?

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

So, I mean, obviously stem cells are what we use in order to be able to repair tissue, and when there’s any kind of injury stem cells go to that location to heal that area. When you’re looking at cancer, one of the biggest issue and that is not being addressed by traditional cancer care are the cancer stem cells. And in fact, actually by receiving chemo or radiation or surgery, you’re actually activating cancer stem cells. So even though you’re shrinking the original tumor, you’re then activating what is actually driving the growth of the tumor so you’re activating the cancer stem cells. So it becomes a really important strategy to, if you are choosing to do traditional care, to also make sure you bring in strategies that address the cancer stem cells, or if you choose to go holistically altogether, where that some people choose to do, then it is important to have strategies to make sure you calm the cancer stem cells down. And you have a lot of the different polyphenols are really beneficial in that area. Like you have the black seed, you have the curcumin, you have the Boswellia or Frankincense working then with the mitochondria in itself helps with that as well. One term has been used, and I think it was Dr. Ron Hunninghake that used this phrase saying that cancer is a wound that never heals. And I kinda like that term which means that you have a wound and now the more you injure that area, the more stem cells are being activated, cancer stem cells are being activated to try to heal that wound. So, instead of just kind of going assaulting that area more, how about, we’re talking about changing the environment, building up the nutritional picture, and then calming down the cancer stem cells.

I interviewed one of the professors in Portugal, he also works a lot with cancer, Dr. , he mentioned that whenever you have a surgery, your immune system is suppressed by 40%, or your immune system is suppressed, and actually the risk for metastases at that time is increased by 40%, you know? So which means that you think it is very innocuous to just do the surgery, and now you’re removing the tumor, but in reality what you’re doing is that because you are increasing that wound, that wound that never heals, you heightened the activity of the cancer stem cells, and you’re increasing the risk of metastasis. So, while doing like surgery, how important it is and to make sure that you bring in therapies to support the immune system and also keep the cancer stem cells calm and relaxed so that they don’t go into overdrive as a response. So yeah, cancer stem cells is huge. And there are ways to measure that, there are different tools out there, I think they are not probably, it’s not been perfected yet. So, it’s not like they are be-all end-all, but there are tools where you can kind of measure what’s called circulating tumor cells. And obviously the more you have of that, the more risk for metastasis you have, the less risk you have, or the less you have the less risk you have, but just one measurement is not a be-all end-all, because you may not be able to capture cancer circulating tumor cells each time. So that’s why it’s good to repeat the test and make sure that it still stays consistent and within safe range.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Wow, such great information, I feel so knowledgeable. I’m gonna be able to have a conversation about mitochondria and cancer, and treatments, and strategies. So in your practice, what are some of the strategies that you use and how effective are they in treatment with cancer patients?

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

Yeah, and obviously if we found the solution to cancer, yeah, every patient would be cancer free by using that solution. So, in our field, we are still learning and still trying to figure out, and it’s important also that as an integrative doctor, we’re not treating the cancer, we’re treating the patient that the cancer exists within. And like I said, I mean, cancer is a systemic disease. So by working on the patient, you are then changing in the environment so that, like we talked about that way we can get rid of the rat infestation, or the body will then have a chance to get rid of the cancer. So, some of the strategies that are very exciting, I talk a little bit about that prior to is the photodynamic aspect. Where we use specific photosensitizer, and they’re different ones depending on how strong they are and what you’re dealing with. One that I like is called ICG, which you introduce that intravenously and some exciting therapies that we are still developing is using like I said, the nanoparticle approach where we can then figure out a way to really kinda saturate the cancer cell with these photosensitizer, and then bringing in oxygen so that we combine that with oxygen or like Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, Intravenous Ozone, and by bringing in the oxygen, and then we have the photosensitizer in place in the cancer cell, so then you expose that to laser light both intravenous and external. 

And what happens then is that, that photosensitizer will pull the light into the cancer cell, and then with the presence of oxygen that will trigger the creation of a lot of these reactive oxygen species that we’re talking about, that will then oxidize the cancer cell. So this becomes a very safe way of using targeted cancer therapy. And then if you layer that then with some of these maybe repurposed drugs or turning on the mitochondria through diet, through supplementation, you are then shifting that mitochondria or shifting that cell from that fermentation cycle, and putting more stress on the mitochondria to increase even the level of the reactive oxygen species within the cell to really kind of trigger, have that heightened level of oxidation to kill that cell. And then you combine that also with like high dose vitamin C Artesunate IV, things that are also cause more oxidative stress with the cancer to produce different types of peroxides or oxidizing agents within the cells. So, it becomes a layered approach that you want to go after it. And then using different metabolic strategies and see, like I talked about what is it that’s interfering with that mitochondria. And why is the cancer exist? Why did it come about? In a healthy body cancer shouldn’t exist. So, you wanna look at the root cause, are there chemicals, are there bad EMF, is it mold, is it trauma? Other infectious agents, different viruses, Lyme, all these different things you want to look at, to address in the metabolic picture to make sure that the healthy cells stay healthy. And then you also put more mitochondrial stress on the unhealthy cells so that either they, if they’re just semi-unhealthy, then they can repair. Or if they’re too unhealthy that the death button is pushed and it explodes.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Right, and actually adding PEMF to that whole cocktail of strategies would make all of the other things work so much better. So, that actually is a good add-on. So thank you so much Dr. Karlfeldt this was such a wonderful, wonderful interview. And I really, really appreciate you taking the time to do this out of your daily life, your practice, and I know you said this morning, ’cause you’re in Colorado, right?

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

I’m in Boise, Idaho.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

In Boise, Idaho.

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

It’s still cold.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

It’s still cold. So, if someone wanted to reach you, give us some information to where somebody’s able to your website, if somebody wanted to set up a consult.

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

So, they’re different. My main website is theKarlfeldtcenter.com and Karlfeldt is one of those tricky last name it’s spelled K-A-R-L-F as in Frank, E-L-D as in David, T as in Tom. So, theKarlfeldtcenter.com and we have a cancer page here. You can put in your information, and then our patient advocate will reach out to you to start a conversation. And we do offer a free 15 minute consult if you just wanted to chat and see what it is that we offer. And I can gain an understanding of what it is that you’re dealing with cancer wise, and then we can see if we’re a good fit or not, if this is appropriate. So, that is one way, also, if you go to healthmade.co and made is spelled M-A-D-E, there you can gain access to the radio show that I do, and I’ve actually interviewed the Dr. So you can find the interview I did with her about community service and how important that is. So, it is really good information there. And Dr. Mark Willin that I’ve mentioned in regards to healing trauma. So you can gain a huge amount of information there. You can just go to our podcast on regards to cancer, just type in my last name in iTunes or in Google Play, you should be able to find in my the podcast and I have interviewed patients that have gone through their cancer journey successfully, and what tools they use in order to be able to come out at their end. And I feel that that’s a really good resource for patients battling battling cancer or just you can call us directly if you’re just excited. I don’t wanna go on the website, I just wanna call, and schedule something. Our phone number is 338-8902. Also have a ebook on another website called integratedcancersolutions.com. So you can put in your email and name there, and then you get a free ebook with strategies in regards to cancer. And yeah, I’d be happy to help you, I’m here for you.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Well, thank you so much. And this really was so much fun. So, thank you and have a good rest of today.

Michael Karlfeldt, N.D., PhD

You as well, this was wonderful.

Marlene Mahipat, DC

Thank you.