Why There is No Healthy Diet

Barton Scott

Oh, gosh. Great to be here. Looking forward to the conversation.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. Yeah. I saw you the other day. We were in Austin at this conference and there’s these like roster speakers. And I walked in the room and you’re on stage. I said, “I gotta hear this guy’s story.” We’d obviously met before that I’ve used your product. And then you started talking about your personal journey and like hit home because this is where a lot of the great sort of product services research comes from is like somebody was failed from sort of the allopathic medicine world. They found root cause integrated medicine healed themselves. And they said, this is so impactful that I need to share with everyone else. So tell us a little bit about what got you here.

Barton Scott

Yeah, it was a two-pronged thing. It was both my mother. It’s funny mother’s day, it was just this past weekend, as we’re recording this. And I wrote this, just this post on it, you know, she would be 77 today, and I was born to older parents. Right? And you know, I got to see firsthand what happens when you take pretty good care of yourself. You know, she didn’t drink excessively or anything. She didn’t smoke, she had a low stress lifestyle. She was a teacher professor and librarian towards the end of her career. Just read a lot, like gardened, like, you know, walked, didn’t exercise, didn’t like lift weights and stuff, but you know, used to jog and stuff was active, and, you know, throughout her whole life would go on hikes and things. You know, and yet… So she had this like retirement age that I think a lot of people would really like, that’s kind of the American goal for most people is that, right? 

They finally retire. They’re still in good health. And she was. And then she had a couple things that were pretty minor. And then she went to a doctor, got on medication, a couple years goes by, and then surgery and then more medication. And I got to see her go from this vivacious woman, anyone can check out some recent post on my Instagram page, askbarton. Because I feel like it connected, not just for me again there, but just for so many people, it’s like so many people’s story. Like objectively, because now it’s been 10 years since she’s passed. And I remember thinking like, “Wow, you know, so many- like I could be at peace with this.” And yeah, at the same time I was struggling, I was going, you know, struggling with my own debilitating brain fog towards the end of Chemical Engineering and then going into the workforce and knowing that I wanted to do something different. I knew that in college even, but helping her with that path, you know, she was just vivacious. 

She had so much grace and charm and wit, and this dazzling intellect. And I think for a lot of people, she was honestly, probably one of the more remarkable people they met in their entire lifetime, just subjectively, that was commonly said, you know? It’s not just, “Oh, hey,” you know, I get everyone, or a lot of people, are lucky enough to like really hold their mother in high regard. But regardless of that, you know, I just think whether it’s her or anyone else that’s, you know, had a lot of wisdom to share, it’s tremendously impactful when the olds you know, call it that, “Die young.” Right? And, you know, there’s just a tremendous amount of wisdom that in our hubris, in our twenties, thirties, and forties, we go, “Yeah. You know, I think, I’ve got that figured out.” And then you have kids, or you go through a life change, or you lose a parent, or you- And you just realize how much thinking and so how many solutions have already been figured out if you can just inculcate all the wisdom from later generations instead of having them die in their sixties or living through their nineties or hundreds on average. 

Right? And I just saw this, that, you know, this woman that I grew up with, just losing that sort of that life force. Right? And I remember thinking like, “God, this is just… This is just not how it should be.” Like, we have a fundamental error. It’s not whether or not I can be at peace with this. I get there’s so many things out of our control, but, you know, it was almost, it really seemed like the traditional system not only didn’t help her, but killed her. And it really seems that way, you know? And one thing that I found along that path was, and I was able to help her slim down and just kind of find her ideal weight, things like that. And so we moved the needle some, but one of the tests out of the many functional medicine tests that we did is one that we’ve taken and upgraded, so to speak, now. And that’s a hair tissue mineral analysis. So using hair, whether that’s underarm, scalp, pubic, and really understanding this whole picture of elements, right? 

Because what I found for myself, for her, for my girlfriend at the time, and her dad, is that we all had deficiencies in at least one thing that we were taking. And for me, it was probably like five things. And had been for anywhere from three months to a year and a half. So what am I really saying? I’m saying you’re taking this supplement, and then you’re on your X, Y graph, on your bar chart, you’re low in that thing. In fact, chronically low. And you’ve been taking it for a year and a half. And you know it’s regarded as one of the top shelf practitioner-grade sort of brands. 

From a quality perspective, it’s not quality. And most people don’t have the vocabulary to say what it really is, but in short, what it really is, is effectiveness. It’s absorption, which is effectiveness, right? It’s as close to guaranteeing an end result or an outcome as you can get. So I realize that that was just failing. And I went to school for Chemical Engineering, which is really the science of that from a, you know, you get a minor in math, chemistry, and a lot just about physics as well. And then you go and do your Chemical Engineering focus, which is really the people in the world that take an industrial process and improve it. So that could be a higher output of things like gasoline, or, you know, anything in that region, making plastics, whatever it is. Making a lot of the industrial components, really all of them in the world, you know, better or easier to make, or more proficient in some way. And I thought that seems incredibly boring to, you know… But it was a challenge. So I wanted to do it. In my school, we had a focus on nanotechnology. And I remember thinking like, “God, this is the future certainly of medication.” 

And it should be of nutrition. And maybe there’s a way to do this affordably and make some process changes, and really have a totally different end product that doesn’t need to be absorbed through the gut the way it normally would. So a lot easier, which for minerals, which I identified was quite literally the most important area of focus from a supplement standpoint, because it’s the elements that we’re missing. And to the extent we’re missing them, we don’t feel good. Our mood is off. I put this slide up during the talk and it was just 20 or so deficiency symptoms. And I asked everyone, “You know, in the last month, have you experienced at least three of these, or at least one of these, at least two of these, at least three of these?” And hands just stayed up, you know? And so it was interesting to see, and also just not surprising at this point after doing this for about eight years. And, you know, just seeing that. 

So I’m just kind of giving everyone this picture of why this is important and how we got here. So there were several years there where I spent researching and what I realized as I was make- Was thinking, “Okay, we need to find a manufacturing operation and be able to make some changes to it, and ultimately have an end product that is unique to us, and one that importantly absorbs without digestion,” because so many people have gut issues. And that’s not going to change anytime soon, frankly, it just isn’t. I want it to, and I want people to be working on that and be mindful of that. But gut issues, they’re complex, they’re multifaceted, and most people are going to have issues. And I realized that was the case because when I was having all the issues I was having with brain fog and hormones, I had low sex drive, even though I had this beautiful girlfriend I was in love with, and I thought, “Wow, I’m in mid-twenties now. This can’t afford to get where worse. 

Like it just can’t.” You know? And luckily, now that’s completely changed, my testosterone naturally, which I’ve never supplemented, has gone from about 400 then to 960 last time I measured it. So right up. And then have made some tweaks and since then, so probably up around a thousand now, and I feel awesome. Recovery from workouts and energy and everything like that. But anyway, so I was battling those issues and thinking, “If I can find a solution to this as a system, like a real process, and have these products really work, and have the testing…” Really, do two things. One, show people what they need to work on. And then also prove that the products work. Like we’re really on something. And so that’s what we do today. And unsurprisingly, we solve a lot of root cause issues for people.

Kashif Khan

That’s so cool. Essentially, we’re living in this world where, you know, we can’t eat ourselves to health. The food doesn’t have the nutrition. And now we’re learning that even supplementing may not be the best answer because you’ve empirically measured that, “Hey, I took the stuff, but the numbers didn’t change, because there’s no delivery, there’s no mechanism.” So you literally became the Iron Man of supplements and opened up your tech shop and figured out, it’s delivery. Like you probably don’t even need the dosage we’re going for regularly. It’s just more about how do I efficiently get it into the cell. Right? So what does that look like? Are there like nano bots surrounding the… Like, what did you actually build?

Barton Scott

Yeah. So what I was able to do with our assembly line, is create supplements that the particle size is small enough to get into the red blood cell, which is delivery mechanism throughout the body, and then stable. So stable in terms of shelf life, and also dosage. So all of that together collectively took a while, but yeah, honestly, the problems that you have to solve as a chemical engineer are often harder. And they pay you a normal salary.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. And this is, I mean, everyone kind of hears the stories and sees this as the future that’s coming. Right? But I don’t think many people realize that the future is here now, and that this is available. You know, you watched a movie, like I remember what was it? GI Joe, where the person like literally morph and changed because of nanobots that are going through their body. But there’s sort of a Lo-fi version of that, that you’re using to deliver properly, which is incredible. And I’ve tried it, and this flip that I had, you know, from the magnesium product, it was incredible. So why do you say then if we’re able to understand our mineral deficiencies through our hair, and we’re able to deliver and replace and supplement better, why then do you say that diets don’t work?

Barton Scott

Well, because of what you said when you said really well, you know, we can’t eat our way to health.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Barton Scott

So that’s really what I mean when I say all diets fail, they eventually fail. Right?

Kashif Khan

Right. 

Barton Scott

They, you know, any diet that’s currently working for you is working possibly because it’s just been a change and it’s been some sort of diet elimination where now you’re not eating almonds, and you had some allergy you didn’t know about to almonds. Right? And then but as we, PS, you know, as we fix our guts for everyone that’s hearing this, our allergies actually, are not life sentences. And I think very few people really understand that. I’m sure you guys do, because I’ve worked with your team and they’re incredibly proficient. And, you know, we’ll have some joint partnership there soon, but yeah. So I really admire what you guys are doing there as well. And so it’s both of these things, right? It’s knowing your genetic makeup. It’s also knowing that you can move some of these levers by having specifically these minerals absorb better. Yeah. You know, imagine that someone’s eating this diet. 

Right? And they’re trying- They think they’re doing this, right? They think they’re eating the same foods. Maybe even, let’s say they’re perfectly, somehow controlling the amounts of everything they eat. So they’re eating the same amount of the same grass-fed steak from the same company and et cetera, et cetera. Same vegetables each week. Well, there’s a little problem in that if you ate super repetitively and without much diet variation, then you can actually develop some allergies and issues with those foods. Right? So that’s one issue. That’s where diets are failing. But the other is from the micronutrient standpoint. If you’re just doing this, you think you’re doing this, but you’re really doing this. Because the food is always changing. And that could be based on the soil. 

I mean, or it is in part, but it’s also based on your stomach acid, on your ability to absorb all those things. Right? So, so many of the people, not only that we work with, but I believe just out in the world today, have low stomach acid. So we’re also struggling there in this world that is, that we’re living in that we’re kind of straying from our makeup, really. Right? Our design. So yeah, with that, you start to see, “Well, all right, if I’m eating all these vegetables and all this meat, or whatever my diet is, I’m still going to have, this is based level of things that are missing. So I need to be testing for that in a way that shows me the whole picture from a nutrient standpoint, really telling the story of what is, and then coupling that with the story of genetics too,” and going like, “Well, here’s my dispositions. Here’s the machinery I’m working with too.” Right? So, yeah, I really believe that these two lenses together are incredibly important, and really not overlookable.

Kashif Khan

Right. And that’s the key thing is that, that word that you just made up, which is amazing, “overlookable”, right? Is exactly what’s happening. Because their belief, when it comes to genetic testing, people get it. It’s like, it’s new, I gotta go buy it from some company online. When it comes to health testing, like whether it’s a hormone marker, vitamins, whatever, people think that this is something that my doctor should be letting me know based on some symptom that I gotta go get. And they’re often thinking it’s blood. So like, the question becomes, why do you prefer hair? What’s the difference? Is there any benefit over blood testing?

Barton Scott

Yeah. So I want everyone to picture the blood in their left forearm. If they could look down and somehow look into their veins, what you would see is really healthy blood almost no matter what state your body’s in. And that’s because blood is us on our best behavior, it’s you on your best behavior. What I mean by that is the blood is so mission critical to keeping us alive, we call it life force, that our body will actually pull from the tissues, organs, and bone marrow to make the blood as close to ideal as possible. It can’t as, you know, probably the pH from blood, if it strays much past the really narrow margin, we die. And we die quickly and probably painfully. So the body and it’s innate intelligence goes, you know, “That’s an immediate risk I have to make this long term trade off.” And because of that, we end up with osteoporosis and osteopenia and different bone issues, because we’re pulling from bone marrow to fix our pH after stress and caffeine and alcohol, and you know, all these and environmental toxins and triggers. So the other aspect of this is the world is roughly a thousand times more toxic than it has been in any other period in recorded history. So that is this other thing that we’re having to defend against in both our air and our water. So it’s a lot to think about, but I feel like this is a really straightforward approach that makes it as simple as possible.

Kashif Khan

And the results go far beyond, you know, we’ve been talking about let’s look for markers for minerals and cetera, and then know what to take, but I mean, I heard in your work, you’re addressing things like adrenal glands and thyroid function and, you know, actual condition based stuff, so how do those insights translate into that?

Barton Scott

Yeah, that’s a great question. So there’s certain ratios that have been understood for several decades now in the same way that we’ve understood that, “Oh, T3 is a marker in blood for thyroid function. So it’s T4, and TSH, and RT3, and so on.” Well, we’ve realized that certain ratios that we look at in the body, for example, calcium to potassium is a hugely correlative indicator with thyroid function. And that sodium to potassium and sodium to magnesium, or different functions, or different ratios that show us the function of the adrenal glands. And when you see that, you can go off and do another test that is specific for either one of those, but you’ll see that it falls in line. So it’s really cool to be able to get this whole picture, see your individual deficiencies, but more importantly, see the ratios. Yeah.

Kashif Khan

Hmm very cool.

Barton Scott

They govern these things.

Kashif Khan

So you think that literally what you’re suggesting is there’s an alternative path to dealing with thyroid adrenal function, as opposed to masking the symptomology, here’s one of the root causes you can actually eliminate or reverse it?

Barton Scott

Right. Right. So one of the questions you might have heard me ask this to the crowd was, “All right, anyone raise their hand if they know the building blocks of hormones.” So if they can name all the building blocks from hormones, especially just the most key aspects. Most key aspects would be minerals and fat. Just if you don’t have enough good fat, and if you don’t have minerals in the right ratios, then you’re going to have issues making adequate hormones that really provide the mood and quality of life that we’re looking for. The happy sort of, “Hey, I just achieved something. I feel happy,” versus, “I just achieved something and I feel nothing.” Or, “I don’t feel like achieving anything,” or, you know, whatever, or, “I don’t feel like going to bed, because I’m not producing enough melatonin. 

I don’t feel good because I’m not producing enough serotonin.” Both of those are governed in part by magnesium, largely, in the case of melatonin. Right? So hence, sleeping super well at night with our upgraded magnesium. So yeah, I really see it as this approach that is in incredibly fundamental and accurate, reliable, and affordable too. You know, it’s sort of Occam’s razor, really. And when it comes to health testing. Because yeah, to really answer your question, we’re speaking, the reason all of that is, is because we’re providing the glands like throughout the endocrine system. So let’s say primarily, we’re focusing on thyroid and adrenal, right? And also signaling from pituitary to thyroid with magnesium. But, you know, or and, we’re providing all that signaling, or we’re providing the building blocks for the hormones for those lands. 

So when you have the building blocks of the hormones, I mean, the body’s able to make thyroid hormone. And when you don’t have iodine, zinc, selenium, copper, magnesium, to a certain extent, manganese, then you’re just not going to be able to from a elemental basis. And just kind of a, you know, really a math equation or chemistry equation, you just will not at some point be able to make thyroid hormone. There’s just, you know, it’s just how it is. Right? So we need to be testing for those elements and replenishing the body. Because we’re constantly burning that. That’s the thing, the body doesn’t store minerals very well either. So we need to be taking it in, you know. They’re largely, you know, just water soluble. So…

Kashif Khan

Yeah. Well, is this also the answer to how your testosterone levels went to Superman level with low hormone therapy?

Barton Scott

Yeah.

Kashif Khan

Yeah?

Barton Scott

Yeah. It really is. I mean that, and just a lot of other, just personal work I’ve done throughout the years. But, you know, in terms of actual replacements, the only thing I’ve done was get testing and testing every 60 to 90 days. I recommend people do it quarterly throughout the year, so you’re only talking about doing a test four times a year. And it’s hair, you don’t even ha- It chips through your house. So I think it’s about as easy as it’s going to get until we get to this new phase, maybe in our lifetimes, hopefully. Where we can do some of the things like you were mentioning earlier that are just, just quantum that are just not available to at least most of us yet.

Kashif Khan

So do you find then, because you know, it’s really interesting how you said that the building blocks of hormones you need to consider, and that’s so cool, ’cause you’re getting truly to the root cause, right? Like here’s the stuff you need. Doesn’t matter even genetically, if we tell you that you do a really good job of converting progesterone to testosterone, if you don’t have the building blocks, yes, you have the instruction, but you don’t have the silly putty to put together, build it out of in the first place. Right? So do you find that as people are aging, that gap is bigger because that nutrition hit them for longer? What is that window, like how long does it take?

Barton Scott

Right. When you say the window, how long does it take…

Kashif Khan

Meaning that gap from like where they started to, you know, you got your testosterone levels up. Right?

Barton Scott

I see.

Kashif Khan

Is there other stuff to consideration? Is like co-factor like not no inability to produce them or like does age a factor?

Barton Scott

Sure. Age is a factor in terms of heavy metal excretion, which does affect this. And we also test for that. So we also look at and test for all net one test, heavy metals as well. So as we age, thanks to senolytics cells and senescent cells and things like that, that you guys know plenty about then, you know, just the efficiency of the body over time, particularly, if we’re not doing some of these interventions, decreases. So we need to be reversing that through, you know, better, more adequate hormones. So, yeah, I do see a, you know, the gap I think is, the turnaround is looser, but people are still getting noticeable results within or by the 21 day mark, if they were to retest. The, you know, like… Like for example, if you were to test blood, it would show some improvements by that point. And sometimes yes, about co-factors, that is important. So you can be out of, say, B6 and that can have your magnesium showing high on your test. So there’s a art and science to… Or an artful science in understanding the hair analysis and that you don’t just read it straight away like a computer would just- Or like a robot would. 

There’s reasons why, for example, your sodium is, or your potassium or your magnesium is elevated, even though your intake of those things is low. And it could be kidney distress in the case of potassium, it could be that your body is dangerously low in sodium. So it’s preserving it and recycling it, which is incredibly intelligent of the body. And he’s able to do that with both sodium and potassium. In the case of magnesium, it’s letting you know, “Hey, there’s an issue,” because, you know, we know just from asking you questions, for example, if you’re supplementing or not supplementing, and you’re off the charts in magnesium, it’s not because it’s over absorb- That you have a super abundance, it’s because you have a co-factor missing. And then sure enough, when you restore that co-factor, by the next test it’s improved and you’ve done almost nothing different. So there is that. And yeah, over time, I would say the message really is that we can help everyone. And that it’s great to start sooner rather than later. Because heavy metals accumulate, the more nutrient deficiencies you have, the more easily those heavy metals accumulate as well. Which is relatively not understood very well by most people, but it’s important to understand, certainly.

Kashif Khan

For sure. You know, as I’m listening to you, I’m starting to think like you, and I’m playing the game, like let’s get in Barton’s head, right? And I’m starting to think like how- I’m thinking like Americans in general have some of the worst food in the world. There’s probably higher volume. There’s a lot more available, but the average American, you know, is eating some of the worst stuff. It’s almost better to be in poverty in a country where you’re pulling things outta ground and eating real food than what you can buy from, you know, certain stores. And we also found that Americans had sort of the worst outcome when it came to a recent viral infection wave. Right? So is there something to be said about lack of minerals and our ability to deal with viruses and bacteria?

Barton Scott

Yeah, certainly. So one of the ratios we look at is zinc to copper. And that’s a really interesting ratio because the zinc, you know, is viral susceptibility. But the thing that I didn’t hear one single person talk about during the epidemic that we had that, yeah, well, I’ll just leave it at that, was copper and how and why to balance it and what happens if you don’t. So I’ll tell a brief story real quick. So I had a friend come over, he and his fiance were going to cook at my place. He came over a little before her and we were talking, he had just done a hair analysis, and I never see him upset, but he, Brent got really upset. I asked him, you know, “How was last week? You know, what’d you been up to?” And in short, what he said was, from a really upset place, he said, “I spent three days last week finding a biological dentist to figure out what sort of infection I had in my mouth.” IE, a bacterial infection. And I had told him right before he said that, I said, we were talking about supplements, and I guess he was kind of leading up to that. 

And I said something to the effect of kind of over my shoulder as I’m like preparing in the kitchen and I said, “Well, be careful with that, that zinc supplementation, because that’s way too much to be doing without testing.” And I said, “You know, you can get a bacterial infection.” And that’s when he was like, “I can’t believe it.” You know, this is… Won’t quote him exactly. But he said essentially, “I can’t believe it. I got a bacterial infection last night or last week. And I spent three days, I lost three days of the work week because of it.” Now, the good news for me is that we live in this same city and I now have a great biological dentist that he’s vetted for me by going through that process. Which is awesome, because I needed to find one, a biological dentist for people that don’t know is the only type of dentist you should go to, if you have any sort of mercury fillings that need to be drilled out, which can cause huge weight gain, crash your metabolism, crash your thyroid hormone. This happened to another friend here in Austin recently, that I just did an interview last night with, who has a massive community online. And she struggled with that for 10 years, just because her mercury fillings were drilled improperly. 

So total side note, but also if someone that, you know, hears that, that’s a life saving sort of little aside. So I wanna throw that in, but that’s zinc and copper and that’s viral susceptibility and bacterial susceptibility through this lens of minerals. And when we understand that, we start to know that, “Oh, okay. Well, if that’s true for zinc and copper, it’s probably true for calcium and magnesium. It’s probably true for calcium and phosphorus, for all these elements throughout our body.” So really, testing becomes a no-brainer. And then how can you test everything on the same page? Well, you need to be taking it all from one sample. And that’s where hair becomes the clear winner again, because to do all of that with blood, you would have to take a bunch of different samples, and the cost of that blood work for, you know, the same amount of data would be several thousand dollars instead of a couple hundred with a consultation. So, you know, and it’s just easier and it’s more accurate. So yeah, to me, it checks a lot of boxes. Even if it was the most expensive solution, I would still do it. I would still choose this no question. And there would just be a lot less people that could afford it. Luckily, that’s not the case. So, yeah.

Kashif Khan

Right. And shifting gears a little bit, I’m just thinking about this in the context of like performance in athletics and people that are kind of already optimal and are doing, you know, want to go to another level. And there’s a word that we use that people don’t often associate to minerals, but that’s electrolytes. And we think about how, you know, we associate it with hydration, right? And like you said, your body’s bleeding minerals all the time. It’s hard for you to hold onto what you have. So how important is it to understand what electrolytes are, where they come from, how you get them, when you’re taking your sports drink with electrolytes, is that actually doing anything for you? What do people need to know?

Barton Scott

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. From a performance standpoint, those are all interesting questions. And to mention one other thing around both performance, and that touches on hormones in that category that we’re just talking about zinc and copper real quick, I just wanna throw this in ’cause it’s important. And zinc also is a great adjunct to electrolyte product. So we have electrolyte product that has zinc in it as well that also enhances hydration. People should look at that too. So it’s called charge for anyone that’s interested in it. Zinc, it governs testosterone and progesterone. So, you know, very important for progesterones, really a master hormone for women in particular, and testosterone, obviously for men. But you know, women have 10 times more testosterone than they do estrogen in their body. I think a lot of people don’t know that. So it’s incredibly important for both men and women. And if we’re talking performance, and we don’t talk about that, then we’d be missing the boat. 

So, you know, I just wanna mention that real quick too, but we look at that ratio too. You know? That also is a phrase that I’ve coined, which is nutrition becoming personality. And because if you give a guy a ton of copper, he will become more feminine over time. He will become more creative, will become more ungrounded in creativity. So IE, starting projects and not finishing them. And zinc. So zinc is more of a masculine element. So as iron copper is feminine, copper is creativity. Copper is estrogen, governs estrogen. So those are some thoughts around performance real quick. And then to dive into electrolytes, we can do that too. Sure. Sodium, potassium, magnesium, chloride, you know, these are all very important, zinc as well, to balance with that, and for some of the reasons we just talked about. So yeah, sodium and potassium is a ratio that we look at. And I feel like it’s one of the most important that you can look at in the body, because why? Why is that? Well, our heart, you know, sits in a bath of sodium and potassium. 

And that electrical impulse is, is really what keeps us alive. And magnesium helps the relaxation of that contraction. So to the extent that someone has heart issues like, you know, different… Like, you know, arrhythmia, different things like that, then that can usually be solved with magnesium. In fact, to relax the heart when people have a heart attack, they’re rushed into emergency room. And I could ask if we had a live audience here, but most- You know, I’d ask like, “Does anyone know the first step that nearly every ER in the world does?” They actually put IV magnesium in just straight away. So one of the few times when they use something besides a drug to actually help people. 

Because it’s that effective, and it, you know, it just calms the body in the heart. Is able to really relax. And that’s really what you’re seeing with the heart attack, is the heart is this muscle, and it’s like getting a calf cramp, except it’s just a lot more important. And you know, that lockup, that siege, is really what we’re undoing with magnesium. So when, when you have a cramp, you can reach for magnesium instead of potassium. And that that’ll help in nearly every case. Case in point, people talk about hours stopping cramps in a matter of minutes. So, that’s really good for anyone that has like painful periods or just a lot of leg cramps and things. But yeah, so that’s electrolytes. Sodium and potassium, specifically is really interesting because when it’s below a certain level, that ratio, when it’s below about 1.4, you all but guarantee emotional distress. Which can manifest in something like bipolar disorder. You know, again, nutrition becoming personality. I personally believe that from everything I’ve seen in all what some people would call miraculous turnarounds, and I would just call just balancing what is your neurochemistry through the elements of the whole solar system that we have, and what we have here on Earth, in a way where we’re testing and we’re actually absorbing those nutrients, you know, kind of straightforward. Now that we have products that really work. So yeah, it’s super impactful. 

There’s a lot that we could cover and talk about just in this one area, but, you know, keeping the muscles hydrated, keeping the whole body hydrated is so key for performance, especially in heat. And we’re shedding a lot of that. And if we get to the point where we don’t feel- I’ll just ask it this way like, can you imagine a top tier athlete playing his or her best, whether it’s high stakes, you know, Olympics, or anything else even practice, a hard practice, if he or she doesn’t feel emotionally safe and secure in their body. So that is, now you’re really starting to understand the value of electrolytes when you think of it that way. Because when you’re sodium to potassium, just that one ratio is low, then that’s what you’re guaranteeing. And if you’re not testing minerals via hair, then I don’t know how you’d get that ratio in a way that’s really meaningful. Because blood again is not gonna be meaningful. There’s going to be deficiencies that we’re going to spot the better part of a decade before they ever show up in blood, if not longer.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Barton Scott

So because again, our blood is going to be as homeostatic as possible. Right? It’s so important.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Barton Scott

So yeah, that’s how I think of that.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. I don’t think- I mean, after listening to you, it’s hard to deny. And I think people innately know this, that there’s a need to be supplementing with minerals. Right? I think what’s new in what you’re opening our eyes to, is that there’s some personalization required, right? It’s not one size fits all, which most people think it is. Let’s take my magnesium, let’s go take my whatever. And then it’s the combinations. You know, the proportions, the dosages, that can all be highly personal, but unless you test and know where you’re at, how do you know what the right protocol is? Right? So that’s really mind opening for me, because I’ve been taking a mineral that I add to water. It’s… I forgot the name of it, but it comes from some, some dirt somewhere. They extract the mineral from it, you know, and it’s a one size fits-all-type product. But knowing that you can personalize, wherever you can personalize, that’s like the ultimate luxury to be able to get exactly what you need for yourself or whatever purpose. So what does your daily regimen look like? What are you taking every day?

Barton Scott

Yeah. So, yeah. Thanks for saying all that. I mean, that’s how I feel about it. And the only thing I would add to that is that yes, it certainly is personalized and it does change over time. Right? So today versus you, 90 days from now, is going to be certainly different than, you know, you six, three months ago.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Barton Scott

So, that’s still ongoing sort of, you know, I picture a spiral upward, like a spiral staircase, and you’re just getting tighter and tighter and tighter as you go up top, as long as you continue testing, continuing taking action with tools that work and really absorb well. So, yeah, me personally, some of the things that- I guess I’ll just say what I almost always take. And I think virtually everyone would benefit from, is our upgraded magnesium, upgraded zinc, upgraded memory, and upgraded potassium. And then ST salt. And then now we have upgraded charge, which is our electrolyte product, and it’s a no-brainer. It’s that’s our only flavored product so far. I kept flavoring out of all of our products for a long time, because with this unique absorption method, I didn’t want to disrupt the absorption in any way, shape, or form. And then now realizing this new way to get flavoring in there, have the flavoring be stable, have the product be stable, and have it taste really good, I mean, ugh, it’s great. 

So I really like that one, really proud of how that came out. I take some P thyroids sometimes, not all the time. And then I take either trace minerals or I take our upgraded metabolism that has trace minerals in it as well. And when I do that, then I’ll skip the zinc for that day, because it has quite a bit of zinc. And I’ll skip the memory that day, because it has man upgraded well, yeah. Manganese in that form. So, or in that blend, rather. I think the key thing to mention with all of our process, all of our formulas, is that everything we’ve been taught for about a decade now about forms, taught and retaught and regurgitated, take this form of this magnesium, or this lithium, or this chromium, for example, all of that for us, based on the process that we have, really isn’t- That it’s not true. It doesn’t matter. 

Because we’re just looking at it totally differently. We’re changing the structure of the mineral, such that it’s able- The body’s able to utilize it throughout the body. Like all the cells are able to utilize it in the same way that for the people that are like, “Wait, I have questions about that.” So imagine you get magnesium from the steak or salad that you’re eating. Your body doesn’t ask you, “Oh…” Or it doesn’t say to you essentially, “Sorry, Cash. I got magnesium, but I can’t use it for the brain. You know? Sorry.” You know, that’s not how it works. So why we’ve ever built supplements or thought it was good enough to have a process where the output is this supplement that’s only going to help you really restore your muscles or your brain, as a primary focus at least, didn’t seem to be the way. So that was a North Star just from day one on, “Well, how do we- This clearly doesn’t have to be this way. So how do we make it different?” So…

Kashif Khan

That’s really awesome. I think mind’s been blown, right? Which you achieved the objective. And I personally learned something, because I never thought of personalizing my minerals. I literally have been taking a off-the-shelf… It’s good quality stuff, but like you said, what we think quality means, we’re looking at the quality of the ingredient. Right? And if it’s the good manufacturer that uses good ingredients at organic possible, the right TMP standards, but quality extends far beyond the ingredient itself. It’s the actual delivery, it’s you know, the matching of proportions and knowing what to do, it goes far beyond just like who’s supplying me the product. Right? And that’s all I was looking for. I didn’t know I needed to look further. So I’m gonna have to grow something up here to do the hair test. Maybe I’ll pluck outta here.

Barton Scott

Yeah.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. But this was awesome, really enlightening. I’m really happy that everybody got to hear this, because it’s a whole other layer to personalization and wellness that most people are completely unaware of. So, thank you for joining us.

Barton Scott

Yeah. Thank you so much, man. This is the one last thing, since you mentioned that, what I’ll say the easiest way for people to get a hair sample is most likely, unless they’re going to ask someone they live with, is and of course it can come from under arm or pubic as well, is going to your barber or your salon. And, you know, just telling them the instructions, giving them the card, the kit and saying, “Hey, would you take the sample for me? I’ll give you a tip.” You know, something like that. Just make it easy and do it every time you go in, if you go in once every three months.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. Just-

Barton Scott

That’s literally what I do. So, yeah. I hope that’s helpful. I hope this has been helpful for people. And certainly, always a lot of fun to talk with you.

Kashif Khan

This was amazing. Thanks, Barton.

Barton Scott

Yeah, thank you.