Full Transcript Introduction to inflammation and the summit 0:00 Inflammation. 0:00 I think about it like like a fire in a fireplace. Right. 0:03 So winter time right now, you know, we have we have a fireplace 0:07 when the fire is burning in the fireplace. It's great. 0:09 It brings warmth, you know, creates a nurturing environment. 0:12 But if I were to take gasoline and throw it on that fireplace, 0:15 right, with the fire burning, now it's going to start to burn down my house. 0:18 And obviously, that's a problem. 0:19 And that's what most people are doing. 0:21 We all have some level of low grade inflammation 0:24 is part of the natural healing response. Right. 0:26 But our lifestyle can be like throwing gasoline on that fire. 0:31 And now a search burning down the house starts burning down the walls. 0:34 And then we wonder why we're not feeling well. 0:36 This is doctor talks. 0:45 Hello everyone. 0:45 My name is Doctor Richard Horowitz 0:47 and I'm the co-host of the Doctor Talk Healing Lyme Summit 2.0. 0:50 It's my great pleasure today to introduce you, Doctor David Jockers. 0:54 Now, I've been following David for several years 0:56 because of his amazing newsletters. 0:58 David and I both 0:59 share a couple of things in common, which is we both look at inflammation 1:03 and how inflammation is driving different disease processes in the body. 1:06 And David, it's a real pleasure to have you on today. 1:08 I think people are going to get a lot out of our talk, 1:10 which today's talk is going to be on Lyme disease and autoimmunity 1:14 and all of the factors that are driving autoimmune reactions in the body. 1:18 So thank you so much for joining us. 1:19 Well, thank you for having me, Doctor Richard, 1:21 and I'm glad that you're doing this summit, such important 1:23 and critical information for people. 1:25 Yeah. 1:26 Well, you know, I was watching your, fasting longevity summit, by the way, 1:29 and I just bought the proline kit to start my own intermittent fasting. 1:33 So, you know, I also got a lot out of as I'm getting older, I'm looking at, like, 1:36 how do I maintain my health? 1:38 How do I, you know, keep my own longevity? 1:40 Because my whole family has died of cancer. 1:41 They were smokers. 1:43 They lived in Brooklyn, but they all died of different forms. 1:45 So just as you talk a lot about nutrition, you know, in your newsletters 1:48 and what you do, it's the same thing for me. 1:50 If you came to my kitchen and looked at what I swallow every day, I'm swallowing 1:54 a huge number of nutritional supplements just to stay alive on the planet. 1:57 Right? 1:58 Yeah. 1:58 I mean, I do the same for me at my age, and I'm in my early 40s. 2:02 It's about optimal health, right? 2:03 I want to perform at my highest level, have tons of energy, great mental clarity, 2:07 be the best husband, father, business owner, sports coach, coach. 2:11 My son's, and my daughter sports teams. 2:14 So I want to perform at a high level, 2:15 and I want to get the most out of every single day. 2:17 And I think, you know, most people that are listening this, 2:20 they would love that as well. 2:21 Many of them are suffering, unfortunately, 2:22 that even even thinking about optimal performance is a big deal. 2:26 You know, is is is a big leap for them.
David Jockers' background in health and nutrition 2:29 Right. 2:29 But, you know, that's really 2:30 our goal for people is to not only get out of a health crisis, 2:34 but then ultimately to get to that, that level of optimal health performance. 2:38 Yeah. No, I'm 100% in complete agreement. 2:40 You know, 2:40 one of the things I learned years ago, apart from getting to the sources of why 2:44 people are sick, not just like label is disease and throw a drug addict, 2:47 which is unfortunately what a lot of medicine does. 2:50 But getting to the underlying sources. 2:52 And that's why I'm so happy to speak to you today about autoimmunity, 2:55 because the vast majority of my Lyme patients have some autoimmune reactions 2:59 at some point in time because line causes autoimmunity, environmental toxins. 3:04 We see heavy metals and mold all the time, in part driving it. 3:07 We see leaky gut with microbiome issues, nutritional deficiencies, 3:11 the wrong types of microbiome, sleep disorders, trauma, all of the things 3:15 that we're going to talk about today is exactly the rivers of inflammation. 3:19 I find in my patients all day long. 3:21 And that's why I think people are going to get out of this talk. 3:23 So great. 3:24 So let's just jump in. 3:25 Why don't, first of all, tell people a little bit about yourself, 3:28 how did you get into health and and optimum health the way you are? 3:31 Because I think it's amazing what you're doing. 3:33 And I again, I've been, 3:34 you know, reading your newsletters actually for the last couple of years. 3:37 And I think they're very informative and really great for patients. 3:40 And at the end we'll talk a little bit 3:41 about how patients can learn more about you and and get those. 3:44 But how did you get into this yourself 3:47 for sure. 3:47 Well, my mom 3:48 actually, when I was growing up, my mom was studying to become a midwife. 3:51 She was a nurse first, 3:52 and then she became a midwife and then eventually a natural path. 3:55 So she was actually studying it. 3:57 My dad was, you know, health was not an interest of his at all. 4:00 So it was it was complete opposites. 4:02 But I was an athlete growing up. 4:04 And my mom would say, you know, you need to eat. 4:06 And this was back in the 90s. 4:07 And so she thought back then, she doesn't teach us now, 4:10 but she thought the macrobiotic diet was the right diet. 4:13 Right. And so it was very low fat. 4:15 It was, you know, she would she had her own garden. 4:18 She grow around food. 4:19 That was a great, great, great benefit of it. 4:22 But when we got sick, you know, she would make chicken soup right. 4:25 Or something along those lines. 4:26 Lots of garlic, onions, things like that. 4:28 We use plants as medicine. We never took antibiotics. 4:31 I was an athlete. 4:32 So she would say, you need to eat your kale 4:34 because it's going to help you have more energy. Right? 4:35 And I was like, okay, anything that's going to help me perform better. 4:38 And I would ask her questions. 4:39 I'm like, what should I eat before before my game? Right? 4:42 I would ask questions like that because she taught me 4:45 what I put in my body, affects my performance. 4:48 And so then later on I got really into fitness, right? 4:51 As an athlete, I got into fitness, you know, 18, 19 years old. 4:54 I was working out every day. 4:56 And so I eventually became a personal trainer. 4:58 I was influenced by other trainers, 4:59 became a personal trainer, started reading more about nutrition. 5:02 Back then I was getting information from Men's Health right 5:05 isn't the best information, but, you know, at least I wasn't eating like just 5:09 straight junk food all day. 5:11 And I ended up developing irritable bowel syndrome. 5:13 I was eating six meals a day. 5:15 From the time I woke up to the time I went to bed trying to pack in 5 5:18 or 6000 calories a day to maintain a certain muscle mass, a certain physique. 5:22 And eventually that caught up with me and my gut couldn't handle it. 5:26 And from there I started learning other things. 5:29 In fact, chiropractor at my gym said, hey, you need to check out this book. 5:33 It was a book that Doctor Mercola had just put out. 5:35 It was called the No Grain Diet. 5:37 Completely changed my my diet and lifestyle, 5:40 and that significantly helped me. 5:41 I started getting chiropractic care that helped, 5:44 and I ended up going to chiropractic school. 5:46 And I thought, you know what? 5:47 I want to teach people nutrition and wellness. 5:49 And, what's chiropractic school started a clinic out here in the Atlanta, 5:52 Georgia area. 5:52 You know, I really although I enjoyed working with patients one on one, 5:57 I found that I just really enjoyed creating online health content. 5:59 And so as I opened my practice, I started writing articles 6:03 for other bigger websites. 6:06 And, I found that a lot of 6:07 I was saying the same thing to all my different clients that were coming in. 6:11 There were, say, you know what do I do for my thyroid? 6:13 What are the best foods for my metabolism? 6:15 What do I do to lower my blood pressure? 6:17 And so I started writing professional articles on these topics. 6:21 And that way I could pass them along to people 6:24 and they would pass them along to their friends. 6:26 And I was getting all these referrals because I was writing these articles. 6:28 And then I said, you know what? 6:29 I just need to start really focusing on this. 6:31 And so so I hired other doctors and, just went more or less full time 6:35 into creating online health content, and that really took a life of its own. 6:38 Eventually sold my clinic. 6:39 And that's what I do now, is I just create videos, podcasts, 6:43 you know, interviews with, with, you know, different health experts 6:46 like yourself and, you know, create, create online blog articles. 6:49 And, you know, I really enjoy it. 6:50 I'm able to work from home, be around my family and influence, 6:54 you know, millions of people all around the world now. 6:57 And you can tell you enjoy it because as I said, 6:59 I've been reading your articles actually for years,
What autoimmunity is and how inflammation drives it 7:01 and it's pretty much the reason I thought we'd have a great talk 7:03 is it's exactly the same things 7:05 I've been telling my patients for years, but you're explaining it 7:07 in very down to earth terms where people really get it. 7:10 So let's jump in a little bit to the autoimmune reactions 7:13 that people get, 7:13 which is something I'm seeing and my Lyme patients are dealing with all the time. 7:17 Maybe they just start what is autoimmunity? 7:19 Maybe explain to people in simple terms what exactly it is. 7:22 Yeah, autoimmunity is basically when you have an immune disorder 7:25 where your immune system actually will attack its own bodily tissues, right. 7:29 And so if you have autoimmunity to your thyroid gland, right, that's, 7:34 you know, could either your thought you might either 7:36 put out too much thyroid hormone or too little. 7:38 We call it Hashimoto's thyroiditis. 7:40 That's an autoimmune hypothyroidism. 7:42 And then autoimmune hypothyroidism is graves disease. 7:45 If you have autoimmunity to connective tissue and joints, 7:49 depending on the the features of that, it could be rheumatoid arthritis right. 7:52 Or lupus or something along those lines. 7:54 So there's all these different autoimmune conditions 7:56 I believe there's over 100 autoimmune conditions. 7:58 You could basically develop autoimmunity to any major protein in your body. 8:03 And this is a sign that your immune system, in a sense, 8:06 the way I think about it is it's kind of like if there was an alarm 8:09 that went off in your city and all the police 8:12 came out with their guns, but they were blindfolded. 8:15 And so there's an alarm. 8:16 They know there's bad guys out there, 8:17 but they just start shooting because they can't see anything. 8:20 And that's basically what's happening in your body. 8:21 Your immune system is doing everything it can to protect you 8:25 from a systemic infection. 8:28 In fact, 8:28 we know that infections actually killed more of our ancestors than anything else. 8:33 The reason why was our ancestors, if they got a flesh wound 8:36 or they didn't know how to sterilize it. Right. 8:38 And so what happened was, you know, they got a flesh wound. 8:40 A lot of times bacteria will get in into the bloodstream 8:44 and it would spread into their lungs, cause, cause pneumonia 8:48 or into their nervous system and cause meningitis or encephalitis 8:52 or something like that. And that's why people would die. 8:54 And so because of that, the immune system 8:56 understands that high infectious 9:00 load and a high infectious load in the bloodstream is life threatening. 9:03 So it has to do everything it can to make sure that that doesn't happen. 9:07 Because our body, of course, it's built for survival. 9:10 And so we'll live with chronic low grade inflammation for a long time 9:16 or autoimmunity like you can live 20, 30, 40, 50 years with autoimmunity. 9:21 You just don't live well. 9:22 And so our body will sacrifice living well to live. 9:25 Right. It's a good payoff, right? 9:26 From that perspective, what we gotta do is figure out what is causing 9:30 all this high pathogenic load. 9:33 Right. 9:33 And toxins from seeping into the bloodstream, 9:37 driving up this sort of autoimmune or chronic inflammatory response. 9:41 That's what we have to do and shut off that valve. 9:44 Right. 9:44 So that way we can lower the overall what we call allostatic load the overall 9:49 pathogenic load or disease causing load in our system 9:53 and return our body back to homeostasis and overall balance. 9:57 Yeah. 9:58 And, you know, for those who are listening and you know, 10:00 we we're going to be having thousands 10:01 and thousands of Lyme patients listening to these podcasts. 10:04 We find in our patients these autoimmune markers all the time. 10:07 For example, we're finding anti-nuclear antibodies. 10:09 But it doesn't mean you have lupus, right. 10:11 We need a double stranded DNA or a Smith antigen to say it rheumatoid arthritis. 10:15 You brought it up. 10:16 We see rheumatoid factors in a lot of our chronic Lyme patients. 10:19 But you need a CCP, a cyclic sick related peptide, to say it's true 10:23 rheumatoid arthritis. Right. 10:24 So what we see in our patients Anti-Flag. 10:27 Right. Antibodies. Right. 10:28 Most of our patients there's probably the number one autoimmune 10:31 marker we see is actually antiviral globulin anti peroxidase. 10:35 You know blind patients. 10:36 Because as you said 10:37 when you've got Borrelia burgdorferi and we've got Bartonella 10:39 and we've got mold toxins and heavy metals and leaky gut microbiome, 10:43 it starts attacking all of these proteins 10:46 and different, you know, cells in the body. And organs. 10:48 So we'll see anti ganglia site antibodies with neuropathy. 10:51 We'll see Antifa right. Antibodies. 10:53 But it doesn't mean necessarily right that they have a true autoimmune condition. 10:58 It's an autoimmune reaction and people need to differentiate it. 11:01 But interestingly enough we've been able in some of our cases we've reversed 11:05 Crohn's and ulcerative colitis by getting people on healthy diets, 11:09 getting them off like phosphates and the wrong types of food, 11:11 giving them the right type of microbiome, healing the leaky gut, which is crucial. 11:15 We're going to talk about that. 11:16 So yeah, it's a fascinating thing 11:17 because a lot of people get these autoimmune reactions from Lyme and Barton 11:21 mold doesn't mean you're going to develop one of the really serious diseases. 11:25 But it's saying, as you said, 11:27 there's an inflammatory response in the body and ultimately inflammation, 11:31 as you know, because you talk about it in the newsletters. 11:33 I talk about it's the number one cause of all chronic disease, right? 11:36 It's it's some form of an inflammatory response for sure. 11:39 Inflammation. 11:40 I think about it like like a fire in a fireplace. Right. 11:42 So winter time right now, you know, we have we have a fireplace 11:46 when the fire is burning in the fireplace. 11:48 It's great. 11:48 It brings warmth, you know, creates a nurturing environment. 11:51 But if I were to take gasoline and throw it on that fireplace, 11:54 right, with the fire burning, now it's going to start to burn down my house. 11:58 And obviously that's a problem. 11:59 And that's what most people are doing. 12:01 We all have some level of low grade inflammation 12:03 is part of the natural healing response. Right. 12:06 But our lifestyle can be like throwing gasoline on that fire. 12:11 And now a search burning down the house starts burning down the walls. 12:14 And then we wonder why we're not feeling well. 12:16 And so we've got to do is stop throwing the gasoline on the fire. 12:19 Yeah. So you talk about in a newsletter. 12:22 And by the way, at the end of this, 12:23 we'll make sure people have links so they know how to get there. 12:25 You're really great newsletters. 12:27 One of the things 12:27 that was really interesting is I talk about mitochondrial dysfunction 12:30 as part of the 16 point 12:32 episodes model I use, and I do talk about cell danger response. 12:35 But what I don't think most people know about 12:37 is there's a relationship between the cell danger response. 12:40 Right. And this autoimmunity. 12:41 Maybe explain to people a little bit about how that happens. 12:45 Well for sure. 12:46 Well, you know, we've we've all been taught 12:47 especially, you know, in medical school, 12:48 most people have been taught at some point that are listening, have been taught 12:52 that the mitochondria are what produced the energy within the cells. 12:56 So for us to produce 12:57 cellular energy, ATP, the mitochondria will take carbohydrates, 13:01 I'll take glucose, I'll take fatty acids, and that will produce cellular energy. 13:05 And so basically this is what we're taught. 13:08 But really the mitochondria are much more complex 13:11 in that they're kind of like the nervous system of the cell.
Cell danger response and mitochondrial dysfunction 13:14 So they are constantly adapting 13:15 their energy production and the amount of oxidative stress 13:19 that's produced within them based around what's happening in the environment. 13:24 And so when they sense that there's a peacetime environment, right, when 13:28 all of our potential overloads of stress, right, pathogens, toxins, our mental, 13:34 emotional stressors, physical stressors, all those things are under control. 13:38 They're going to produce a lot of energy 13:40 and just a small amount of oxidative stress. 13:43 However, when our load of pathogens infectious load goes up, 13:47 the amount of toxins that we're being exposed to goes up. 13:51 We're we're dealing with a lot of mental, emotional stressors, PTSD, 13:55 lots of different factors like that, or could be physical stress, 13:58 like a concussion or something along those lines. 14:00 When those things happen and they build up and go beyond a certain threshold. 14:04 Now the mitochondria say, okay, we're in a war time physiology. 14:09 They actually lower energy production and they increase the amount 14:12 of oxidative stress. 14:13 And oxidative stress is like internal rusting, 14:15 and it's the precursor to inflammation. 14:17 Inflammation comes out to help clean up the oxidative stress. 14:20 And so they're actually turning up inflammation throughout the body. 14:23 Now every single person that's listening to this has experienced 14:27 this cell danger response very quickly. 14:30 At some point in their life, for example, we've all gotten the flu. 14:33 And what happens, right? 14:34 I actually got this in a few months ago, I felt great. 14:38 It was a Tuesday night. 14:39 I felt great, felt awesome. 14:41 Went to bed, woke up somewhere in the middle of the night. 14:44 I was like, oh, that's weird. 14:44 I woke up, you know, and I just couldn't. 14:47 I had trouble falling back asleep. 14:49 And I got up the next day and I just didn't feel my best. 14:51 And as the day went on, my energy was going down further 14:55 and further and further. 14:55 So I went from a ten out of ten energy level 14:58 to maybe like a two out of ten, where I was just completely sapped. 15:01 Right. And it was like that for like 2 or 3 days. 15:03 And that was my body saying, okay, my viral load was so high, 15:08 right, that we need to shut down energy production. 15:11 We're in a wartime physiology right now, and this is part 15:14 of the internal detoxification system that my body need to undergo. 15:18 We turned up oxidative stress, turned up inflammation. 15:22 My body needed to rest, right? 15:24 I needed to rest, relax, do things to help support recovery. 15:27 And then, you know, I would say a week later 15:29 I was ten out of ten with my energy levels. Right. 15:31 Within three days, you know, 15:32 I went from maybe a two out of ten to a five out of ten, six out of ten. 15:35 Every day I would go up a little bit more. 15:38 You know, after a week, I was a ten out of ten. 15:39 I was completely out of that. 15:41 So danger response. 15:42 I completed the healing cycle. 15:44 Problem is that for many people, they get hit, 15:47 whether it's a flu or maybe they eat something, you know, with a high bacterial 15:51 load on it and they get salmonella or, you know, they get bit by a tick, 15:56 and now they get exposed to Borrelia or some sort of, you know, co-infection. 16:01 Their body oftentimes undergoes this kind of initial acute response. 16:06 Right? 16:06 And they start to almost complete the healing cycle, but they never really do. 16:10 And then they never they kind of plateau in their healing process. 16:14 And they never get better. 16:15 Right. 16:16 And over time, actually, they get oftentimes get worse 16:18 with each passing month 16:19 that goes by when they're not completing that healing cycle. 16:22 And this is what many people do when their mitochondria are stuck in this cell. 16:26 Danger response, not producing optimal cellular energy and producing 16:30 lots of oxidative stress, triggering inflammation and triggering changes 16:34 in the entire function and structure of the immune system to where now 16:38 they're they're putting out lots and lots of antibodies to different proteins 16:42 that are in the body and ultimately down the road 16:44 after many years, oftentimes 16:45 many years of this will be diagnosed with autoimmune condition. 16:49 And and you know, the cell danger response is something that is a real problem 16:52 in our patients 16:53 when they still have loads of toxins and infections that have not been cleared. 16:57 You know, when I heard Bob Navios 16:58 talk about the cell danger response years ago, he was talking about the need 17:01 for extracellular ATP, right to kind of get out of the cycle. 17:05 And he was talking about serum. 17:06 And you know this because I'm sure you've you've listened to Bob before 17:09 for sleeping sickness, which you can't even get the drug here. 17:11 And we have played around over the years with things like really high dose 17:14 broccoli seed extract, sulforaphane, glucosinolates. 17:17 Hopkins talked about it in the autistic population because Bob was saying, 17:20 hey, if you get that extra ATP going on for the cell 17:23 danger, these kids, for example, with autism will get better. 17:26 And it was truly amazing. 17:28 So we've tried it, but we've noticed that in our patient population, 17:31 until we've used things like short term daps on combination therapy, or hit 17:35 Bartonella or treated Berbizier, 17:37 or removed enough of the mole toxins or treated the leaky gut, 17:41 they won't get out of that, you know, sickness cycle to move exactly 17:44 to what you were talking about with the healing cycle. 17:46 So you're right. 17:47 I mean, this is explains in part why some of our patients stay stuck. 17:51 The load of the bacteria, the load of the toxins, 17:53 the healing of the gut, the trauma. 17:55 I mean, I affectionately call my patients the walking wounded. 17:58 Just because so many come in with trauma right over time that it's important 18:02 for people to understand this. That was so that's a great explanation. 18:04 So let's dive into the the seven major factors driving autoimmunity. 18:08 Let's talk about infections. 18:10 By the way one quick thing about flu. 18:12 And I'll just mention this. It's kind of an offshoot. 18:14 When I published the first article 18:16 in the world literature on Covid 19 using glutathione. 18:19 And this was in April 2020. 18:21 And this is before anybody really knew much about the virus 18:24 we had seen in our Lyme patients. 18:26 When we gave them high dose glutathione, like they would come in with the BCA, 18:29 they'd have a lot of cytokines and chemokines. 18:32 We give them glutathione 18:33 and they're shortness of breath and everything would get better. 18:36 So we published that. 18:36 We found it was working for Covid and interestingly enough, in the flu, 18:40 in dengue fever, in HIV, in most of these viral infections, 18:44 they need to lower glutathione to be able to replicate. 18:48 So what I do with my patients when they get sick that way, apart 18:51 from saying, here's Tamiflu, here's a five day course for the flu, 18:54 I actually tell them to use any C and glutathione and things to up that 18:57 because every virus so far I've looked at has to lower it to to replicate. 19:02 And that will affect obviously cell danger response and everything else going on. 19:06 But I just just a side point with that because I just recently also 19:09 my wife had gotten sick 19:10 with the flu a while back also same thing and also took a few days to pull out. 19:14 But the glutathione was just very helpful. 19:17 So talk and talk to me about infections. 19:18 We know Lyme disease will drive autoimmunity. 19:21 Bartonella will do it. 19:22 The process that's going on. Let's talk a little bit about it. 19:26 Yeah for sure. 19:27 Well you know obviously we can get infections from a bite 19:29 from a tick bite a spider bite from a from some sort of a wound.
Infections, leaky gut, and the microbiome 19:33 Right. 19:33 And we've all kind of, you know, that's why we 19:35 if you get a wound right, what do you typically do. 19:38 Put hydrogen peroxide on it or something like that to make sure that we don't have 19:42 a high amount of infectious bacteria getting into our bloodstream, propagating 19:46 and spreading out tons and tons of toxins 19:48 that drive up inflammation in the body and cause major issues. 19:51 And so we understand that it can come from the external. 19:54 But, you know, I would say we're infections typically 19:57 are causing obviously with Lyme it's it's oftentimes a bite. 20:00 But we have to look at the intestines as well. 20:02 So in our gut our intestinal lining is basically like the gut is like a long tube 20:08 that's separating our bloodstream from the outside environment. 20:11 And so everything that's going through there is there's a protective barrier 20:15 trying to protect what actually gets into the bloodstream 20:18 and what stays in the gut and moves out through our feces. 20:21 And so the intestinal lining, 20:23 particularly in the small intestine, is only one cell wall thick. 20:26 And that's because our ancestors had food scarcity at times. 20:30 And so they had a lot of times where there wasn't a whole lot of food available. 20:33 So when they got when they had access to food, they needed easy nutrient delivery. 20:38 And so only passing through one cell wall allows for easy nutrient delivery. 20:42 In our society today we have an abundance of food. 20:45 So we all have pantries full of food. 20:47 It's pretty easy to access food in a in a first world country, 20:50 and so we don't deal with that anymore. 20:51 In fact, what we're dealing with now 20:53 is high amounts of infections and toxins coming in from our food supply, 20:57 causing inflammation in the gut, degrading the mucosa mucosal barrier. 21:02 And so along the one cell in our intestines we have mucus mucous membrane. 21:07 And that's really where the 21:08 the immune component of our gut lies is called Secretary IGA. 21:12 And in order to have a healthy gut we need a really healthy mucus lining. 21:17 And so the food that we're consuming, oftentimes we are causing inflammation 21:21 in that and degrading that mucous membrane and damaging the actual gut lining, 21:27 allowing for large proteins as well as bacteria 21:30 and different pathogens and the toxins they produce, 21:34 the endotoxins to actually get into the bloodstream, driving up inflammation 21:38 throughout our body. 21:39 And so those infectious microbes, when kept under control, are fine. 21:44 But when they get into the bloodstream, they start propagating 21:47 and releasing their toxins. 21:48 That's driving up inflammation in the body. 21:50 And a lot of people are dealing with this. 21:52 Yeah. You know interesting. 21:53 My my story with it is I had allergies and asthma growing up. 21:57 But of course nobody in med school taught me about leaky gut. 22:00 And as I started testing my patients, we found like the vast majority 22:04 at this point. 22:05 Right. We'll send them to LabCorp. 22:06 They won't do it in New York 22:07 with an IG for food panel, but they'll get a 95 IG for food battle. 22:11 And I'm seeing wheat and dairy and shellfish and eggs. 22:14 And I mean things you would never expect that people would be allergic to. 22:18 And it's not the IG anaphylactic. 22:20 Right. It's these yeah great inflammatory. 22:22 But my allergies and asthma every time I eat dairy, 22:25 you know I get a pizza or whatever, I would start to get mucus. 22:28 I would start to get wheezing and tightness. 22:30 Once I found out I had leaky gut. 22:32 And I used bovine immunoglobulins like Mega 22:35 mega spore and got the right probiotics. 22:38 Now I don't have the same reactions. 22:40 My asthma. 22:41 I haven't had to use an asthma spray now in an extremely long time. 22:44 So you're right. 22:45 I mean, those endotoxins 22:47 and things going on in the gut or or problem and, and even so, 22:50 and you mentioned this in your newsletters, 22:52 even if you're eating wheat and some of the things 22:54 you think are healthy, the problem is the glyphosate. Right? 22:56 So, you know, you you don't have to have the same deal. 22:59 Yeah. It's a big deal. 23:00 Glyphosate is going to poison the mitochondria within the intestine. 23:04 It's also going to damage the microbiome, but it poisons the mitochondria 23:07 within the intestines and our intestines need to be 23:12 basically the best bacteria so that the keystone bacteria. 23:15 And for there to be microbiome researchers, 23:17 when they look at the microbiome, 23:19 they want to see that there's a high level of diversity in the microbiome. 23:23 And the best short chain fatty acid producers, which are basically short chain 23:28 fatty acids, are what really help feed and strengthen the mitochondria 23:32 within the intestine so that they're stress resilient 23:35 and they keep that intestinal barrier 23:36 functioning well, and that our goblet cells 23:39 are producing the right amount of mucus. 23:40 We need these short chain 23:41 fatty acids, particularly butyric acid, probably the most well-studied of them. 23:46 And so the types of bacteria that eat fiber and polyphenols and produce butyric 23:51 acid and produce things like urolift and a that really strengthen the mitochondria, 23:56 they are what we call obligate anaerobes, meaning that they really they 24:01 they are not able to survive in a oxygen based environment, 24:05 whereas the more pathogenic histamine producing bacteria 24:09 and microbes in general, the more pathogenic microbes 24:13 they are either facultative anaerobes, meaning that they can survive 24:17 with oxygen or without, or they're aerobic all to begin with, right? 24:20 Meaning that they really like oxygen. 24:23 And so the mitochondria, when they're functioning well, they're able to produce 24:27 they're able to take oxygen out of the intestinal environment 24:30 and produce cellular energy through oxidative phosphorylation 24:34 and produce high amounts of cellular energy 24:36 and bring the oxygen content down in the intestines, 24:40 which means these more pathogenic strains, they're going to die down 24:44 in the obligate anaerobes that produce the butyric acid are going to rise, 24:50 and we get this natural diversity that takes place. 24:52 And our gut microbiome is really good at producing 24:56 these short chain fatty acids that strengthen the mitochondria. 25:00 And so this is kind of the cycle that keeps the mitochondria healthy. 25:04 But if we're eating, 25:05 you know, if we have a bad diet, if we're taking in a lot of toxins 25:07 like glyphosate, which is the most ubiquitous toxin 25:10 that we're all being exposed to at some point, going going organic, eating 25:14 organic foods really helps reduce glyphosate load and of course, not 25:17 spraying your yard and things like that will help reduce your load. 25:21 But we're still being exposed at some level. 25:23 But keeping it at keeping that exposure down is so critical. 25:27 And then of course, eating the right foods so critical for allowing 25:30 the mitochondria within the intestinal cells to function well, 25:34 when those mitochondria are functioning well, it's they're they themselves, 25:38 by pulling the oxygen out will help regulate that microbiome. 25:41 And create very stress resilient tight junctions in the small intestine, 25:46 keeping that barrier intact and preventing against leaky gut. 25:50 And the reason this is so important is because they've now 25:53 shown clearly that certain bacteria are responsible for autoimmunity, right. 25:57 They found it with rheumatoid arthritis. 25:58 They found it with Alzheimer's with M.S.. 26:00 I mean, what we do personally, I, I take a whole bunch 26:03 of different probiotics, but mostly for the short chain fatty acids. 26:06 You know, I'll have an organic teaspoon of organic flaxseed, a teaspoon of organic 26:10 black seed, teaspoon of organic hemp seed, right in my yogurt in the morning. 26:14 Apart from probiotics with Bifidobacterium and the rest. 26:17 And you're right, I mean, Ackerman C a species, f 26:20 c all the really beneficial bacteria. 26:23 It's stopping disease. 26:24 But if you get too much clostridium, too much of the wrong type, 26:27 it's now absolute association with autoimmunity. 26:30 So you're right I mean keeping down the sugar 26:32 I mean we it's probably a good segue to talk about this. 26:35 You also talk about insulin resistance and sugar in your your diet with the or 26:40 the immunity. 26:41 It's also one of those things going to help 26:42 to keep down that that inflammatory process. 26:44 So I've been a little bit explain because obviously insulin resistance is napping, 26:49 whether it's nonalcoholic fatty liver disease or Alzheimer's 26:52 or, you know, diabetes. 26:53 It's showing up really kind of all over the place. 26:56 Explained a little bit about how this relates to autoimmunity and 26:58 and why people need to be so careful with their simple carbohydrates, for sure. 27:02 Well, blood sugar, sugar in general are basically any sort of carbohydrate 27:06 other than fiber. 27:07 So starch and sugar, our body turns that into glucose. 27:10 And we can measure that on your blood glucose levels. 27:13 And you have to 27:14 you're always going to have some level of blood glucose, 27:16 because there are cells in your body that can only run on glucose, right? 27:19 In fact, the brain cells need a certain supply of of glucose. 27:23 They can also run off of something called ketones. 27:25 And we can come back to that. 27:26 But we always have to have some level of blood glucose. 27:29 But we need it in this tight range. 27:31 And when blood glucose goes too high, like for example, somebody 27:35 that has somebody that's diabetic, right? 27:37 What happens is the glucose molecules will actually bind to proteins in the body 27:41 and create a sticky protein. 27:42 We also call these advanced glycation end products Agee's. 27:46 These eggs are like shrapnel going through the bloodstream. 27:49 These sticky proteins 27:51 drive up inflammation in the body, particularly in the endothelial 27:54 lining of the blood vessels, and they damage the blood vessels. 27:58 And so when you think about somebody that has uncontrolled diabetes, 28:01 where their blood sugar has been really high 28:03 for a long period of time, what happens? 28:04 They develop peripheral neuropathy 28:06 where they've damaged their nerves and they can't even feel their feet. 28:09 Sometimes optic neuritis, they lose their vision. 28:12 They typically they're dying from heart disease. 28:15 Right. 28:15 Because the blood vessels have been so damaged or kidney disease. 28:18 Right. 28:18 Where, you know, oftentimes, you know, they're kidneys shut down. 28:22 They need dialysis, right? 28:24 They have fatty liver disease. 28:25 And so basically it's damaging all these major organ systems. 28:28 And so insulin is this superhero hormone.
Insulin resistance, diet, and blood sugar control 28:31 Its job is to take sugar out of the bloodstream and put it into the cells. 28:35 Were can now be used to produce energy. 28:37 It also pulls out other other key compounds like like magnesium. 28:40 It helps shuttle magnesium into the cells for for energy production and 28:44 and for utilization. 28:46 And so we really need good we need insulin production. 28:49 But we need our cells to be very responsive to insulin. 28:52 And so what happens every time we eat we're producing some level of insulin. 28:56 And the more there are certain foods that are more in slow genic meaning 29:00 when we eat certain foods, particularly ultra processed foods, your candy chips, 29:04 you know, all the middle sections of the grocery store, 29:08 those are the are highly in slow genic. 29:10 So when we eat those, we produce high amounts of insulin. 29:13 When we eat real foods, right. 29:15 If we eat, you know, a, you know, a, let's say a cucumber, right? 29:19 Or, a big salad or a steak or, even just, 29:24 you know, potatoes or something like that. We're not going to produce 29:26 a ton of insulin because these are whole real foods. 29:29 They've got natural fibers, natural protein, things like that. 29:32 They're less insulin genic okay. 29:35 So we are going to produce insulin. 29:36 We're going to produce a whole lot whole lot of it. 29:38 And so that's why a real food diet is so critical here when we're eating 29:41 ultra processed foods, things with added sugar, added starch in them, 29:45 we're producing high amounts of insulin. 29:47 When we produce high amounts of insulin, 29:48 our cells stop responding well to the insulin. 29:52 We stop getting a lot of sugar getting into the cells. 29:54 And that's because the more sugar we're driving into the cells, 29:57 more oxidative stress goes up in those cells, 30:01 the more internal rusting process takes place. 30:03 Also, when insulin gets elevated beyond a certain threshold 30:06 in the blood, it stops natural cellular healing processes. 30:10 It drives up cell reproduction without so without good cellular healing. 30:15 When insulin goes down, like for example, 30:17 every night we should be fasting overnight. 30:20 We should, you know, 30:20 we stop eating at a certain time and we shouldn't eat, you know, until, 30:24 you know, later, you know, let's say, you know, mid-morning or later in the day 30:28 and insulin will go down beyond a certain threshold. 30:30 And when it does that, the body actually triggers natural self-healing processes. 30:34 We call this autophagy, where the cells will actually break down 30:38 old damaged mitochondria or damaged proteins and actually 30:42 recycle them, take the raw materials and produce new, healthy, 30:45 more stress resilient mitochondria, new, healthy, more stress 30:49 resilient cellular organelles, and that allows a cell to function better. 30:53 This is normal. This is what should happen. 30:55 But when insulin is elevated in our blood, like most people in our society 30:58 are walking around with, we don't burn fat for fuel and we don't 31:01 undergo autophagy effectively to repair the cellular organelles. 31:06 And so now we're not in a state where we're not healing, right. 31:09 We're not internally healing, and we actually start storing fat. 31:12 As long as insulin is elevated, we can't burn fat for fuel. 31:15 We get stuck in this kind of chronic sugar burning mode, and we're producing 31:19 high amounts of oxidative stress, damaging all the cellular mechanics. 31:22 And, you know, again, we can't burn fat for fuel. 31:25 Fat is where we store toxins. 31:26 It's an energy storage that we all have, right. 31:29 But we want to be great fat burners. 31:31 We want to be burning through fat as our primary energy source 31:34 for most of the day, particularly while we're sleeping at night. 31:37 And that's super critical for a healthy metabolism. 31:40 It's also critical for detoxification and for keeping inflammation under control. 31:44 The more these fat cells start to grow, or the more we're feeding the fat cells, 31:48 and particular we start developing visceral fat, 31:51 which is this type of fat that surrounds the organ systems. 31:54 And we used to think fat was just a storage form of energy. 31:58 And that is an important component of fat. 31:59 But fat is also an endocrine organ, meaning that it will actually release 32:03 cytotoxic cytokines. Right. 32:04 And it's in a sense part of the immune system. 32:07 It's actually releasing compounds that, that drive up inflammation 32:11 in the body and also reduces oxygen delivery 32:15 to major systems of the body, like when we develop fatty liver 32:19 that's not just fat on the liver, it's actually liver cells 32:22 that are becoming damaged because they can't produce 32:24 they're undergoing high amounts of oxidative stress. 32:26 And so we're actually getting damaged liver cells. 32:28 And so now the liver is not able to do what it needs to do 32:31 filtering, detoxifying the blood, creating key proteins, 32:34 all the different things that it needs to do. 32:36 And we've got excess fat building up around it, 32:40 which is going to create a bit of a, vicious cycle right 32:44 where it's going to further reduce oxygen and nutrient delivery to the liver cells. 32:48 So this is a significant issue. 32:50 We need a tight zone for blood sugar. 32:52 So we want to be eating foods. Right. 32:53 And I always recommend eating 2 to 3 meals a day. 32:57 High protein right. 32:59 Lots of colorful fruits and vegetables some healthy fats. 33:01 That's what you want to do. 33:02 That's going to create blood sugar stability. 33:05 Do everything you can to reduce the ultra processed foods. 33:09 Right. And really stick with whole foods. 33:12 And this for you for like you hear people talk about the autoimmune diet. 33:15 So what's really talking about is the Mediterranean diet 33:18 has basically been holding up at this point is one of the healthier diets. 33:21 And I because probably at least half of my patients 33:24 have reactive hypoglycemia where mid-morning, all of a sudden 33:27 they start yawning, they get tired, they get hangry, right? 33:30 The emotions start doing or mid-afternoon. 33:32 That goes along with sometimes their adrenal dysfunction. 33:35 And of course that's associated with high insulin secretion. 33:38 So the diet you're talking about of like 40% good quality 33:42 protein, 30%, you know, complex carbohydrates, 30% healthy fats. 33:46 Is it mostly like organic olive oil, avocados you're using 33:49 and whole grains are those one you're recommending to your patients? 33:52 Yeah, absolutely. 33:53 A high polyphenol extra virgin olive oil. 33:55 One of the best things you could possibly put in your body. 33:57 So powerful for reducing inflammation in your body with your meat. 34:01 You know, I always say there's a couple changes with your nutrition. 34:03 Number one is you want to reduce your consumption of, 34:06 you know, processed foods like I talked about and seed oils. 34:10 Right. That's number two. 34:11 So anything with corn, soybeans, safflower, cotton seed, peanut oil, 34:14 all of those types of canola oil, all those types of processed seed oils. 34:18 You want to avoid the fruit oils like avocado right. 34:22 Or avocado oil and extra virgin olive oil or olives in general. 34:26 Very good, very healthy. 34:28 They're lower in inflammatory omega six fats, high in 34:31 anti-inflammatory mono unsaturated fats, also high in polyphenol antioxidants. 34:35 And so, they're, olive oil, for example, is high oxidative stability. 34:39 It's really, really good in the body. 34:41 Lots of lots of antioxidants. 34:43 So that's really, really good. 34:44 And then with the meat you want to make sure you get 34:46 going organic, grass fed, pasture raised, wild caught 34:50 because you want to do everything you can to reduce chemicals and toxins. 34:53 And so when we're eating, you know, your typical grain fed, 34:56 conventionally raised animal products, they're feeding them grains, which skews 34:59 their fatty acid ratio. 35:01 And then on top of that, 35:02 those grains are covered with glyphosate and other chemicals. 35:04 And so they're bio accumulating that inside of their body. 35:07 So their dairy products, 35:08 their eggs, their, you know, their meat is going to be full of that stuff. 35:12 And so to, to reduce your chemical load, 35:14 you want to go as organic as possible, especially with meat products. 35:18 Now when it comes to produce, ideally you're going organic. 35:22 But there is the clean 15 and dirty dozen. 35:24 So the general rule is 35:26 if a, you know, if you're going to eat the outer layer of something, 35:31 you really should go organic, like a blueberry, for example, 35:34 you're going to eat the whole berry, right? 35:36 You're not going to peel the outer layer. 35:38 You definitely want to go organic. 35:39 It's easy for pests to eat to to bite into a blueberry as well. 35:43 So they use more pesticides, more herbicides on that. 35:46 Whereas something like garlic, for example, or a banana or avocado, 35:50 you're going to peel that outer layer right and eat the inner layer. 35:53 It's harder for pests. 35:54 They have a hard skin that makes it harder for pests to get in and penetrate. 35:59 So there's going to be lower amounts of chemicals on the conventionally 36:02 grown avocados or banana or garlic. 36:05 And so those would be the ones that would be okay to get non-organic. 36:09 Although if you do have the option, and it's somewhere close, 36:13 you know, in price point it's always best to go organic. 36:16 No. And in fact, that's pretty much how I eat. 36:18 I mean, we have organic blueberries, organic raspberries, organic strawberries 36:22 are getting almost every morning, right. 36:23 The polyphenols, those are just shown to have such great health benefits. 36:26 You know the problem of course, though, with even the Mediterranean diet with fish 36:30 because they talk about omega three 36:31 anti-inflammatory too much omega six inflammatory. 36:34 You talking about it 36:35 is I've had to really cut back on my fish consumption 36:38 because when I checked my heavy metals for mercury years ago, it was off for 36:41 I was eating fish probably 5 or 6 times a week because I love it, right? 36:45 But now it's not even the metals. 36:46 It's the nano plastics and the microplastics that are getting in. 36:50 And it's a real problem. 36:51 So I think it's a good segue talking about autoimmunity. 36:55 Let's talk a little bit about the toxins because we're we're finding heavy metals. 36:59 I'll do it in the serum, but I'll do a six hour urine DMZ challenge occasionally. 37:03 Hair analysis. 37:04 We're finding it in the vast majority, whether it's low level, sometimes high 37:08 and mold toxins. 37:09 I'm finding all five mold toxins with aflatoxins and try catechins 37:13 and Ziegler unknown and all the rest. 37:15 And glial toxins immunosuppressive 37:17 in 80 to 90% of all the patients I am now testing. 37:21 So what are you doing for these patients? 37:23 I mean, we have specific protocols we're using phosphor little choline, 37:27 push it out of the cell membranes. 37:28 Bind with glutathione on with charcoal clay.
Toxins, mold, heavy metals, and detoxification 37:31 Use a little bit of glucose in to bind. 37:33 Try Co thickens the right type of Saccharomyces. 37:36 We have protocols we give. 37:38 But it's a real problem with autoimmunity and the fact that 37:41 it's affecting the cell danger response. Right. 37:43 It's affecting your immune system. 37:45 It gives you the same symptoms in fact, as Lyme. 37:47 And we have found probably at least 25% of our patients, we detox them. 37:52 And some of the symptoms 37:53 they thought were due to Lyme or tick-borne was actually due to the toxins 37:56 where the mold in the metals. 37:57 You're finding the same thing in a lot of your patients 38:00 when you're you're asking them 100%. 38:02 You know, I think that's one of the big differences. 38:03 And and helping people get well today than it was 38:07 maybe 20 or 30 years ago is the amount the overall toxic load is much higher. 38:12 We're all being exposed to toxins. 38:14 And some people have a stronger reaction to toxins than other people. 38:17 So but some of it's individualistic. 38:19 But in general, 38:20 everything we can do to avoid toxin exposure is going to be critical, right? 38:25 So, you know, if you know there's mold in your house, 38:27 get out of the house, test your house every, you know, every year, 38:30 we even pro prophylactically we dry fog our house. 38:34 Right. 38:34 So we'll get that done, like once a year, which, is good for cleaning 38:39 any sort of potential mycotoxins that are in the place. 38:44 Now, if there's still, 38:44 like an active water leak or something like that, it's just going to come back. 38:49 Right. 38:50 But, but there is a, a technology called dry fogging. 38:54 And there's companies 38:55 trying to think of the name of the company that we use, pure maintenance. 38:58 I believe it's called pure maintenance. 38:59 If you go to their website where they use, you know, all natural 39:02 ingredients, you go out of your house for about a half a day and they just dry. 39:06 Forget you come back in later and you just you feel a lot better, right? 39:09 So that's where they can just focus on a room. Right. 39:11 Depending on, you know, what you want to focus on. 39:13 And so that's really helpful. 39:15 Do you know what they're using for it. 39:16 Because I mean in the past I've heard people like take a little bit of ammonia, 39:19 something, close the door, try and get the mold spores done with that. 39:23 Is that's a good question. I have to look at that again. 39:25 I'm not exactly sure. 39:26 I think they've got like a grape seed extract or it's, you know, some sort of 39:30 like a proprietary formula. 39:33 But I think that they tell you like an ingredient or two 39:35 that they've got in there. 39:35 With that said that that is a strategy of getting air purifiers in your home. 39:40 Obviously a really good idea as well. 39:41 So you want to clean up as much as possible. 39:43 The air you breathe, the water you drink and the food that you're consuming 39:47 and the things you're putting on your skin. 39:49 So having an air purifier going outside, 39:52 right, particularly if you live in more of kind of a rural area, 39:55 you know, the solution to to pollution is dilution, right? 39:59 So getting outside, typically, unless you're in a very strong industrial 40:02 area, you're going to have cleaner air there where you can breathe. 40:05 And if you are an industrial area on the weekends 40:08 or wherever you have opportunity, go drive to the mountains, right. 40:10 Go drive to the beach. 40:12 Go drive to an area where you know you can get more in nature. 40:15 Go out in the woods for a spade. 40:17 They call it it in Japan, right? 40:19 It's actually a really great thing for your mental emotional health, right? 40:23 Actually connects you to nature better. 40:25 It's great for that, for pulling you out of a cell. Danger response. 40:27 So getting out in nature I think is really key. 40:29 Getting good water purify purification is really important as well. 40:33 So a good reverse osmosis water system or distilled water is really good. 40:38 And then making sure of course we talked about organic foods, trying to eat, 40:42 you know, a pure healthy diet as much as possible. 40:45 And you got to poop your way to good health, right? 40:46 So drinking a lot of water, right, will help you do that. 40:50 It's going to help dilute things and move things through your body. 40:52 You want you want things moving through like a river, not stagnant like a pond. 40:58 And most people are chronically dehydrated. 41:00 They're not drinking enough water. 41:01 Hydrating well is key. 41:03 In fact, you know, back when I was working with patients full time, it was like 41:06 every single day I'd hear people say, you know, you know what, doctor? 41:09 I feel so much better, but I gotta pee like, every 45 minutes or an hour. 41:13 And I'm like, that's good. 41:14 Like, that's that's helping you get better, right? 41:16 You should be moving your bowels two to sometimes three times a day. 41:20 Right? 41:20 Moving your bowels at least once a day, 2 to 3 times a day. 41:24 Basically, if you're eating three meals a day, 41:27 you might poop two big ones or three right a day, right? 41:30 To get all the waste products out of there, 41:31 you need to be peeing right on a regular basis throughout the day. 41:35 You should be peeing every 1 to 2 hours, right? 41:37 Obviously we don't want to do that at night. 41:39 So you start stop drinking as much in the evening. 41:41 But in the morning, I super hydrate my body. 41:43 I make sure I'm very well hydrated early in the day. 41:46 It's actually going to help your cellular energy and help your body detoxify. 41:49 So gotta pee and poop your way to good health. 41:51 And of course, 41:52 make sure that any sort of skin products you're using 41:54 right as nontoxic as possible. 41:56 So whether it's, you know, skincare, lotions or things like that make up, 42:00 there's more varieties now of natural, low 42:04 chemical or chemical free products now than ever before. 42:07 Right. 42:07 So there's almost everything can be mimicked now in a, in a much safer, 42:11 natural way. 42:12 You're going to pay a little bit more, 42:14 but it's certainly worth it when it comes to your overall health. 42:16 So reducing your toxic load is is super critical here. 42:19 And you know, when speaking about nutrition 42:21 that we find in our patients when we do nutritional profiles, serum magnesium, RBC 42:26 magnesium, serum copper RBC copper, serum zinc RBC zinc, iodine. 42:30 At least 18 to 20% of our patients are showing deficiency. 42:33 So the problem is, even when you're trying to get in a great diet, 42:36 like eating the kind of Mediterranean diet we were discussing, 42:39 the problem is, is because they haven't turned over the soil 42:42 and we've not been taking care of the land properly. Right. 42:44 I have to use a multi mineral supplement. 42:46 I take, you know, minerals from zimerman to make sure I'm getting enough mag 42:50 because you need magnesium for 300 detoxification enzymes, 42:53 you need copper for superoxide dismutase to handle the free radicals. 42:57 You need zinc for your immune system to function properly. 43:00 Key for sodium. 43:01 So we recommend I do have my wife does that I take it. 43:05 And I recommend supplements. 43:06 And I know you have bundles you put together for people 43:09 because otherwise like me, they're they're swallowing 70 pills a day. 43:12 You've made it kind of easy for people. 43:14 And we'll get to this in just a second of how they can 43:17 look at some of those bundles that you put together for people. 43:19 But but it's really key because talking about immunity. Yes. 43:23 The infections do it. Yes. 43:24 The toxins will drive it. 43:26 Leaky gut will do it. 43:27 The wrong type of microbiome will do it. 43:29 Nutritional deficiencies will do it right. 43:31 Whether it's vitamin D, right. 43:33 I take K to D3 every day because I can't get out enough and sleep right. 43:37 You you also talk about sleep and circadian rhythm right. 43:40 Being an issue in and live patients don't sleep. 43:42 They have a circadian rhythm disorder called DSPs delayed sleep phase syndrome. 43:47 Maybe talk a little bit about that. 43:49 And what you do with these people and why it's also important for autoimmunity. 43:53 Yeah. Sleep is so critical right. 43:55 So basically our master hormone melatonin. 43:58 So when we're sleeping at night right. 44:01 Let's say as, as the sun goes down at night and it gets dark 44:04 and let's our ancestors would have gone to bed shortly after that 44:07 if they were exposed to any light. 44:09 It was fire. 44:10 And that which is more of like an orange reddish light. 44:13 And that kind of light 44:15 doesn't block melatonin levels, whereas the light we're exposed to in our homes 44:19 or, you know, if you're working, it's this blue light, very bright blue light. 44:23 And that blue light inhibits melatonin production. 44:26 Normally at night, as the sun goes down, melatonin rises. 44:30 Melatonin is our number one endogenous mitochondrial antioxidant, right. 44:35 So we know it as a sleep hormone. 44:37 But it's an incredible antioxidant within the mitochondria can slip in 44:41 and out of the double 44:42 membrane of the mitochondria and really help clean it up and help, help 44:45 basically pull us out of a cell danger response 44:47 and help protect the mitochondria from oxidative stress. 44:50 So melatonin is key. 44:52 And then also we get this rise of human growth hormone. 44:55 And growth hormone is this superhero hormone 44:58 that tells us to burn fat, preserve lean body tissue, helps 45:01 balance the immune system, helps improve our skin hair, nails. 45:06 Right. 45:06 They call it the anti-aging hormone 45:08 because it has all these anti-aging, natural healing mechanisms. 45:12 However, when we're exposed to blue light at night, 45:15 so let's say we're on devices or we're just in front of lights, 45:18 that is going to lower our melatonin production and growth hormone production. 45:22 And so then later, you know, we finally fall asleep and we go to sleep, 45:26 but we're not producing 45:28 the melatonin and the growth hormone that we need to really heal.
Sleep, circadian rhythm, and infrared therapy 45:31 And regenerate. Well. 45:33 And then oftentimes, you know, 45:34 most people are not going outside much during the day. 45:36 So we actually set our natural circadian rhythm 45:39 when we go outside, particularly getting outside, getting some sun exposure 45:43 early in the day. 45:44 We know infrared, which is actually part of the sun that we don't see. 45:47 It's non-visible light. 45:49 But infrared actually stimulates mitochondrial 45:52 melatonin production, right, to help clean up the mitochondria. 45:55 So we're out in nature. 45:56 When we're out in the sun, 45:58 we are getting this infrared exposure all throughout the day. 46:01 And that's setting that circadian rhythm. 46:02 In fact, early in the day when you get out and get sun exposure, 46:06 that tells the, that tells the circadian rhythm, yeah. 46:09 You have your brain's circadian rhythm, and you have your peripheral circadian 46:12 rhythm within all the cells in the body that it's daytime. 46:16 And let's produce energy. 46:17 Let's produce lots of cellular energy. 46:19 We know that, you know, within 12 hours or so, we're going to start to 46:23 get ready for sleep. 46:24 So it actually tells a body 46:25 when it helps set a timer so your body can wind down later in the day. 46:30 And you can get the right hormone secretion for optimal recovery. 46:33 If you're just sleeping random times and you're exposed to blue light 46:36 and then you go to bed, you are you are sacrificing the amount 46:39 of melatonin and growth hormone that you're going to get. 46:42 And so your body is aging 46:44 faster than it should if you have proper melatonin, a growth hormone. 46:48 And of course you're going to feel it. 46:49 You know, you're going to have less mental energy, less energy in general. 46:52 Your immune system's not going to function well because you're not healing 46:56 and regenerating the way you should be each night while you sleep. 46:59 So circadian rhythms supercritical. 47:01 Yeah. 47:01 And you know, the thing that's really fascinating about melatonin, 47:04 even small doses, is when we're looking to block some of these inflammatory 47:08 pathways that are leading to chronic disease melatonin effects. 47:11 Now, I know you know this, but I'll tell it for the people listening. 47:14 It affects a pathway called Nlrp3 inflammasome, which is now 47:17 been associated with Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and Covid. 47:20 So when we were creating initially our Covid protocol, 47:23 we were always using small doses of, melatonin. 47:27 Apart from using vitamin D and any C alpha lipoic acid glutathione to block 47:31 NF kappa B tumeric, broccoli seed extract, SGC received a trend 47:36 for stimulating the NRF two receptors, but also using low dose melatonin. 47:41 Right. 47:41 And so all the things we're talking about that, you know, lower inflammation. 47:45 So yeah, it's even 47:46 that's actually also one of the great benefits of an infrared sauna. 47:49 So not only do you get infrared exposure from the sun, which is, 47:53 you know, the way that our ancestors all got it from, but now you can actually 47:56 also use technology to get this infrared exposure. 47:59 So I actually have an infrared office chair. 48:03 Right. 48:03 So I have an office chair that puts out PMF and infrared. 48:07 Right. So right now I'm standing. 48:08 But when I'm sitting I turn that on. 48:10 So I'm getting some level of infrared exposure there. 48:13 You can get an infrared sauna. So you're taking off. 48:15 You know your clothes right. You're getting the infrared sauna. 48:18 So it's getting right into the skin cells, you know. 48:21 And right. 48:22 And infrared penetrates deep into the body. 48:24 And it's stimulating that mitochondrial melatonin. 48:28 And so you're getting that breakdown of Nlrp3 right. 48:32 The inflammasome. 48:33 So you're shutting down these inflammatory vicious cycles of inflammation 48:36 in your system when you're exposed to that. 48:38 So it's a great healing technology getting that regular infrared exposure. 48:42 Yeah we have one in our basement. 48:43 And we just got a place a small place in Saratoga. 48:45 We put an infrared sauna. That was one of the first things we did. 48:48 I mean, apart from detoxing, 48:49 you're getting all these chemicals out of your body, right? You're right. 48:52 I mean, for mitochondrial regeneration, 48:54 even healing in part, you know, the rest of the body, even the autonomic system. 48:58 And if you're in a region of the world where you know 49:01 you can't get a whole lot of sun exposure, 49:02 you're in a northern climate or something like that. 49:04 During the winter time, 49:05 you're not able to get much sun exposure kept in that infrared sauna. 49:08 Don't just take vitamin D, vitamin D, definitely take it. 49:11 And so you can optimize your vitamin D levels, 49:13 but you're not getting the benefits of the infrared. 49:15 So get in an infrared sauna or have an infrared blanket. 49:18 I mean, there's there's low cost infrared sauna blankets too. 49:22 So if you don't have room in your house for an infrared sauna, 49:24 which I totally understand, it takes up space. It's expensive. 49:27 You can get an infrared sauna blanket for a fraction of the cost. 49:31 That's portable. Right? 49:32 And you can just kind of fold it up, put it in the in the corner. 49:35 So you're getting that 49:36 you can kind of wrap yourself in that heats up super quickly. 49:39 Do that for 20 or 30 minutes or whatever, right. 49:42 Every day or as often as you can. 49:44 And that would be really beneficial. 49:45 No, it's a great suggestion. 49:46 I recommend it when people are detoxing all the time with more. 49:49 But you're right, it's a great suggestion for people who don't have room actually 49:53 in their place. 49:54 So the last of the seven we're discussing with autoimmune 49:57 today is trauma, which I'm seeing in a lot of my patients. 50:00 And I don't think many people associate trauma even with autoimmunity. 50:03 They just were finishing up this, this amazing talk we've had today. 50:06 You and I go through this very quickly. Yeah. 50:09 To just talk a little bit about, like, healing trauma, limbic dysfunction. 50:12 I mean, I'm, I'm talking to my patients all day long about how important it is. 50:15 Just explain a little bit about 50:17 why it's so important to get to the source of the trauma in the limbic system. 50:21 Well, for sure, if you've had early childhood trauma 50:24 or PTSD, like maybe you're a military, you know, former military, little things 50:28 that wouldn't normally trigger 50:29 a normal person are going to trigger you to go into fight or flight. 50:32 Basically, we look at the nervous system, the part of our nervous system 50:35 we don't control, 50:35 like our heart beating, our lungs breathing, our digestive system. 50:40 You know, we call that the autonomic. 50:41 Or you can also think about the automatic nervous system. 50:43 And it has three main branches. 50:46 One is optimal connection and joy and optimal life expression. 50:50 Right. 50:51 And that's from the ventral part of the vagus nerve. 50:54 Right. Is kind of the main conduit of that. 50:56 And that's, you know, and its main function is rest 50:59 and digest and optimize, right. 51:01 Optimize the healing response. 51:03 Then we have the fight or flight response. And a fight or flight is great as well. 51:06 Like we fight or flight 51:07 is what allows us to exercise, what allows us to perform at a high level. 51:11 You know, it allows us to have excitement. 51:14 And so there's great components to that. 51:16 But what happens is when you are so easily triggered to put in fight 51:19 or flight, and you're stuck there because of trauma, over 51:23 time, your nervous system starts to wear down and then you get. 51:27 Then basically you start moving into kind of more of a freeze mode, right
Trauma, nervous system regulation, and recovery 51:31 where your body actually starts 51:33 to almost shut down and go into like a state of shock. 51:36 And so chronic fight or flight or in this kind of dorsal vagal component 51:41 where you move into this, this, this, this freeze 51:45 the nervous system, our entire nervous system starts to freeze. 51:48 That doesn't allow you to heal. Okay. 51:50 And so we want to spend most of the time with our nervous system 51:53 in a state of healing. 51:54 And so people 51:55 that are dealing with chronic trauma are in chronic fight or flight or, 51:58 you know, even worse, their nervous system is almost completely shut down. 52:02 And so we've got to obviously figure out 52:04 figure that out and reroute new neural networks, right? 52:08 New ways of processing information and processing experiences. 52:12 So we take joy in things. Right? 52:13 There are some people like the best athletes, for example, 52:16 when they study the best athletes in the way that they respond to stress, 52:19 some of them get stronger and more resilient under stress. 52:23 You look at somebody like a Tom Brady, you know, probably the best quarterback 52:26 that's ever played, or a Michael Jordan. 52:29 And when the game was close on the line, 52:32 it was like they got into kind of this zone right 52:35 where we talk about I just got in the zone right where their entire nervous system 52:38 was activated and functioning at such a high level, 52:42 and they were able to to perform at such an incredibly high level. 52:45 And so this was something that didn't just come automatically. 52:48 They trained it into their system. 52:50 These people practice 52:50 things like visualization or they say affirmations over themselves. 52:54 They like literally trained their nervous system 52:57 and their sports psychologists work with athletes doing this all the time. 53:00 You may not be in a professional athlete, 53:02 but I say we're all occupational athletes. 53:04 We all have to perform at some level, and the things that we do. 53:07 Maybe you're a mom, maybe you're a entrepreneur, maybe you are a teacher. 53:11 You know, whatever it is that you do, right? 53:14 Maybe you're a wife, maybe you're a husband. 53:15 Whatever it is that your role is, you got to perform in that role, right? 53:19 And so retraining your nervous system to be able to perform in that 53:23 level is so critical for your overall well-being and health, 53:26 but ultimately also for your long term 53:28 health and shutting down these inflammatory cycles. 53:31 Yeah, we you know, I recommend to people regularly things like the anti hopper 53:34 dynamic neural retraining with her I would make daily insulin retraining. 53:38 I love primal trust. My wife is actually looking at it now. 53:41 I'm probably going to do it with her 53:42 because I mean I've had my trauma like anyone has had in this lifetime. 53:46 So so you're right. 53:47 And it goes back to the cell danger response. 53:48 You know, the the unfortunate thing about the wildfires that have been going 53:51 on, you know, in the United States that sets off the cell danger response 53:55 and trauma. 53:56 And if they've got Lyme and they've got Bart 53:58 and they've got toxins and leaky gut, all of those inflammatory pathways, it's 54:02 very difficult to get better when you're in that fight or flight mode with trauma. 54:06 So I teach people meditation. 54:08 I've been working with Tibetan Buddhist teachers for over 40 years at this point. 54:11 So, you know, I have my own spiritual practice 54:13 and I, I know you you do your own practices too. 54:15 But you're right. 54:16 This this is really it's a very important piece. 54:18 So, David, this was amazing. 54:20 We got through all seven points. 54:21 Yeah. It was fabulous. 54:22 So yeah this was fab 54:24 because you know 54:24 I think these are the basics of inflammation of how it affects the body, 54:28 how it affects autoimmunity. 54:30 How can people learn more about you. 54:31 Where can they learn about these. 54:33 You know, these banjos that you have to get people better you newsletters. 54:36 What's the best way for people to contact you? 54:37 Yeah best way is drjockers.com. That's my website. 54:40 You can also find me on YouTube, Doctor David Jockers, Instagram, 54:43 all the social media channels and have a popular podcast as well. 54:47 Doctor Jockers Functional Nutrition podcast. 54:50 That's great 54:51 David, I really want to thank you for taking your time today to do this. 54:53 I know the Lyme 54:54 community is going to get a huge amount of really good information out of this, 54:58 and it reinforces, because the things I've been doing getting in my sauna, 55:01 I exercise seven days a week, I'm on my treadmill, I'm hydrating like crazy. 55:05 I mean, these are all the things I do. 55:07 And the fasting component, as I said, you, 55:09 we just finished actually the summit with the fasting and longevity. 55:12 I'm about to start autophagy by I got the prolon kit. 55:15 I'm I'm about to do it. 55:16 It's not something I've regularly done, 55:18 but I recognize as I'm getting older, I'm almost 70 years old. 55:21 I recognize I gotta start doing this because I want to make it 55:24 to 100 and, you know, keep benefiting the world and the way I am. 55:27 And obviously you've got a very busy world around you as a
Closing remarks and where to find Dr. Jockers 55:31 as a father and coach and everything else. 55:33 So we all want to have optimum lives with this. 55:35 So 100% hearing your wisdom. 55:37 That was really great. 55:38 Thank you. 55:39 I appreciate that Doctor Richard. Yeah. 55:41 So everyone, thank you for tuning in today. 55:43 My name is Doctor Richard Horowitz. 55:44 I'm the co-host of the Doctor Talk Healing Life Summit 2.0. 55:48 We've been discussing with Doctor David Jockers the seven causes 55:51 of autoimmunity, which are affecting a large percentage of the population. 55:55 So thank you again 55:56 for tuning in and looking forward to seeing you another episode soon. 55:59 Bye bye. 56:01 Thank you for tuning in to Doctor Talks. 56:03 We hope today's episode has enlightened 56:05 and inspired you on your path to optimal health. 56:08 Each day is a new opportunity to make choices but empower your wellbeing. 56:12 For more insights and strategies, subscribe to our podcast 56:16 and visit our website.www.drtalks.com. 56:21 Stay connected, stay healthy and join us next time on Doctor Talks. 56:26 Real talks from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most.
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