Building A Cancer Fortress: 10 Ways to Build a Body That’s Impenetrable to Cancer

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

Thank you so much for having me Nathan. 

Nathan Crane

So I’d love to just open up a little bit about, the Outsmart Cancer System. What is that? How did you come up with it, and what’s it all about? 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

So I really think it’s important to have a health model, as well as a disease model when you have any chronic illness. But in the oncology setting, the word health doesn’t even come up, you know, it’s not even in the vocabulary of an oncology clinic. So it’s really important, to have your disease experts and your team that knows what to do about your cancer. But it’s also important to have a team of health experts because patients really want health as their outcome, a patient isn’t interested in being cancer-free, a patient wants to be healthy and get on with their life, and have it not be about cancer. 

And so unless you really have health as your goal and have I health plan as part of your implementation, you really, aren’t gonna end up with health because the cancer journey is hard. And so you need a team, that’s number one, you really need a team. And the other thing that’s really important that I speak about in the very first visit with patients is you’re the head of the team. Oncology is very disenfranchising to patients, and can make you feel like somebody just took over your body and your calendar. And it’s really up to each individual to make their own informed, educated choices. And so you need to feel, that you have a sense of control. So that’s really, one of the biggest parts of the Outsmart Cancer Approach is to take charge of your health and to understand that all of the clinicians on your team work for you. And that psychologically and emotionally is really important, because then you feel like you have the way to influence the trajectory of your cancer journey. So that’s really important I think. Having a plan, having a team and having health as your goal. So that’s important to the framework. 

Another piece of the Outsmart Cancer Framework is to understand that cancer is a whole biosystem problem. It’s not about some group of cells that went haywire. And so you have to understand that just like the soil in a garden, the biosystem is an environment, which is either permissive and supportive of cancer, developing and growing, or it’s gonna be inhibitory of that. And so you wanna really understand this biosystem, that is complex and multifactorial. 

So the first idea is that we have soil, we change the soil, we change what grows there. But also in this complexity, I use a metaphor of like a wheel with many spokes, and every spoke of that wheel, is an aspect of this cancer terrain, that we need to track and measure, and make sure we include in the plan. So let’s say you have breast cancer, and you’re working with an oncologist, and you’re having hormone therapy. So that’s one spoke on the wheel, but we have 11 more spokes to deal with. And so you don’t really have a comprehensive plan, if you’re not dealing with the whole biosystem, and all of the factors that influence. So some of those spokes on the wheel, have to do with diet and blood sugar, and inflammation and vitamin D and copper, and hormones and toxins, and so in your immune capacity. So we wanna address all of those things. So when you do that, you have to also understand the wheel, isn’t symmetrical for everybody. It might be weighted one direction. Let’s say you’re a diabetic and you have cancer. Then really dealing with your insulin and blood sugar is gonna really change your outcome. If you’re a patient with autoimmune disease and cancer, then you’re more inflamed than other patients. So we have to individualize the care also. That’s another aspect of this thing. 

Nathan Crane

You know, I love that you, how you said you need a health team, or health expert on your team, in addition to your disease expert or your disease team. Lot of people don’t realize that, you know, that when you’re going to a conventional medical doctor, they’re really great at a lot of things. They’re really great at diagnosing diseases and knowing what they are and, you know, understanding, how to pinpoint and all these different things, testing and so forth, right? But they’re not really equipped or trained very well, to actually treat, or let’s say, even cure that disease right? Their toolbox is pretty limited. 

I mean, it’s typically surgery, drugs, chemotherapy, or radiation. So it’s good to have that person in your corner, you know, helping you along the way, checking, understanding the disease, you know, testing all of that. But then what you’re saying is, look, you need a health expert or health experts on your team, because they understand the deeper, as you said, you know, aspects of the biosystem, you know, the rejuvenation and the immune system and nutrition and diet and exercise and our minds’, direct association with, in regard to either reducing disease risk, or enhancing longevity or even causing disease, right? And so recognizing, I love that you really help people start to think of it as look, you need to build a team around you, of people who are experienced in multiple facets of health and disease understanding. What does that ideal team usually look like, for you or for someone that you might be working with? 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

Well, you know, I’m basically collaborative. And I feel that everybody wins, if you have a team that talks to each other. And so I’ve been in practice for 35 years and for a long, lot of that time in Los Angeles. So I focused on building relationships, with oncologists and oncology surgeons and radiologists. And so that, we have a seat at the table that these doctors appreciate what we bring to the patient. And because I’ve been in practice so long in one place, most of the oncologists know me and have seen my treatment plans for patients, and my requests for specialty labs. And they also see that if we share patients, they do better. 

They are able to maintain their health, they have less side effects during treatment, their quality of life is better, they recover better, they tend to not have as long a time, till they have a recurrence or they have no recurrence. And so I have one very well-known ovarian cancer specialist who always says to his patients, okay, I’m done with you, but don’t stop working with Nalini because she gets it. She gets how important it is, to still tend the body so that you don’t have a recurrence once you’ve been a cancer patient. So you can think about what, different step parts of the journey are requiring because I like to focus on that cancer patients, tend to get very overwhelmed. So if we just focus on what’s happening in this phase of your journey. So maybe you were just diagnosed, and you need to figure out what your plan is, and you need to deal with the stress, of having a diagnosis, and the fear that comes up with that, and cancer happens to a whole family and community. This doesn’t happened to the patient. 

So everyone you love is, their buttons are pushed, their stuff is up, and people who love you want to help you, but they don’t necessarily know what kind of help really is needed. And so all of that happens all at once. Patients who have a good support system do better. So I always talking about community and family with patients. And then when you’re in treatment, you have a different set of needs. You need to know, if your digestive tract has been impacted by your treatments. What can you eat to maintain your weight, and to keep you from having diarrhea or constipation from your treatments? Or nausea, which keeps you from being able to eat, and ruins the quality of your day. 

Maybe you’ve developed some neuropathy from chemotherapy, and you need to know how to, decrease that and mitigate it. And then when you’re done with treatment, you need to recover from all that. And there are both short term and longterm side effects. And so being able to repair and restore function is really important. And then hopefully we get to a place where, we’re living our lives beyond cancer. But there’s another segment of patients, who are living with cancer as a chronic illness. And that’s a large number of people. And oncologists don’t have a clue how to really help them long term do well, right? And so we think about breast cancer patients or prostate cancer patients who may have had their disease burden reduced, but they don’t have zero disease, and maybe they’re on long-term hormonal therapy, and they have side effects of that therapy, and they still have a risk of their cancer blooming again. 

And so those people really need a lot of help, and oncologists don’t do a thing for those patients. And so the need is actually quite huge. If you think about one and two people in the United States and Europe, modern countries, who’s going to be diagnosed with some type of cancer, in their lifetime. So you’re at a dinner party, and you pre-COVID, and you are, sitting with six people. Three of you are gonna have cancer in your lifetime. So that’s huge, right? That is huge. So really need to understand, how to navigate the cancer journey. But of course, we wanna focus on prevention as well. 

So the Outsmart Cancer System also educate people about risk factors. So what you eat matters because your food is talking to your genes and you can turn, your genetics for reducing tumor-promoting genes off with your diet. And you can turn on tumor-suppressor genes with your diet. That’s why it matters what you eat, and your sleep and your exercise and your toxic exposures. You can take control of all of these things. And so whether you’ve had cancer or wanna prevent it, these things are crucial, to causing and sustaining health. So they have to be part of the curriculum and you have to learn. And so in my practice, I have a functional medicine nutritionist, who is also a cancer survivor herself, who helps my patients to implement all the hard things I ask them to do because how we live, has more to do with our health, than anything in a bottle, whether that’s a supplement or a drug. Really, if you don’t live a healthy lifestyle, you don’t get to have sustained health. You know, these are all elements that are an education for some patients who are new to this, you know. 

Nathan Crane

One of the things I love about your work, and I know I found, it was either eBook or something on your website. There was really about how to create a body where cancer can’t thrive. 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

Right. Right. 

Nathan Crane

And you share a lot of information on that, and a lot of detail and people can consult with you and your team and go much deeper. But what I’d love to invite you to do is maybe share, you know, your top 10 ways in maybe just a minute or two, on each one, obviously, you know, you can’t cover all of it, and in depth right now, but to give people, you know, top 10 ways, where they could do all 10 starting now, at least, or they could pick one or two or three or four, to start creating that, you know, body where cancer can thrive. 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

So, number one, I have a book by that title. So if people want to take a deeper dive, then they could just go on Amazon. It’s called 32 Ways To Outsmart Cancer, how to create a body where cancer cannot thrive. And then on my Integrative Cancer Answers website, there’s a lot of free information there also, about what to do at every stage of the journey. So we already talked about some of the things in the list of 10. We already talked about having a team, having your goal be health, having community and a support system, having a lifestyle, that causes health, and then eating a diet that is going to create a biosystem that’s inhospitable to cancer. So there’s a couple of core principles to that briefly. And that is, you have to keep your blood sugar and your insulin low. So that means eating a low carb diet. 

That does not mean eating a keto diet, okay? Keto diets are therapeutic diets. They’re not for the long-term, they’re not healthy diets. They’re therapeutic diets, they need to be done under supervision. But a diet for creating a biosystem that’s more resistant to cancer, because tumor cells thrive on glucose and are stimulated to grow by insulin. If you eat a low carb diet, then you take away those growth signals. So that’s huge. So your plate will have lots of colorful vegetables on it, half your plate. And that’s like, eat the rainbow, eat all the colors and all the pigments and plants. Have your diet meal plan strong. 

So half your plate, colorful vegetables. Quarter of your plates can be clean protein. Another quarter of your plate is going to be healthy fats and oils. So there’s no grain on that plate, and there’s no pasta on that plate, there’s no fruit on that plate. So you need to learn what healthy fats and oils are, because when you take the carbs out, you take away a lot of calories, and you will lose weight in an unhealthy way, if you don’t replace those calories. So you need to learn how to put healthy fats and oils, into your diet. And so I have a bonus for everybody listening, and I’ll give you the link at the end, too. I have some resources to figure out how to implement some of this. So being hydrated is really important. You have to drink enough fluid it’s crucial. Your body has to cleanse and filter itself with fluid. If you get dehydrated, all your barriers, aren’t working as a boundary, between the external environment, and your internal environment.

Your joints will suffer. You can’t filter through your kidneys. Your airways become too dry so hydration is important. So all these basics have to be in place. Sleep is important, seven to nine hours. In the diet realm I like to recommend intermittent fasting. It has a big impact, on insulin and blood sugar, and also on immune capacity. So if you have, 13 hours between today’s dinner and tomorrow’s breakfast, that’s completely doable as a lifestyle. 13 hours, a switch happens physiologically. Your glucose and your insulin decrease, which stresses tumor cells, next their metabolism will slow down, but also you get immune switch gets turned on and you get much more robust in your immunity. So what does that mean intermittent fasting? It means there’s a period of time in every 24 hours where you don’t take in calories. So during that 13 hour period, you drink fluids. You can drink clean water, filtered water, you can drink herb teas. You can drink broth, bone broth or vegetable broth, but you’re not gonna take in calories. So your body actually switches physiology during that time. 

Nathan Crane

And, to be clear there too, right? Everything I’ve seen, and even researched and experimented with intermittent fasting, like you can’t take any fats, obviously, ’cause it turns on your metabolism, and you can’t take any sugars like, so you can’t have coffee and milk or I mean, you know, sugar and milk and your coffee, which probably shouldn’t be having those in your coffee anyway especially if you’re trying to prevent cancer, but this first time I’ve heard about vegetable broth, for example. So even a vegetable broth, isn’t going to kick you out of that intermittent fasting or out of the fasting state? 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

No, no. You know, cancer patients are fragile, so we don’t wanna go to any extremes, right? So we’ll get some nice electrolytes. Put some potassium and some sodium, and some other minerals in the broth. And so that’s really good for keeping the physiology in balance. So I’m very middle path so that patients don’t do extreme therapies who are vulnerable patients, right? And most cancer patients are over 50, and so as we age, fasting becomes actually dangerous to us, because if you do extreme fast when you’re over 50, you lose muscle mass. And so losing muscle mass is part of aging physiology. It’s also a risk with cancer physiology. So preserving muscle mass is very important. So no extreme fasting. And I’ll say also protein, there’s a sweet spot with protein, in cancer physiology. And so about 50 or 60 grams a day is kind of the sweet spot. Now, if you’re an athlete or a bodybuilder, then you work with your care provider for what’s right for you. 

But eating excessive protein actually, can fuel cancer because some of that protein can get turned into glucose and so into sugar. And so there’s a sweet spot. The other thing that’s really interesting is the kind of fiber you eat in your diet, and your microbiome. So taking care of your microbiome is one of the 10 points. And so you have to eat a lot of vegetable fibers to have a healthy microbiome. You see the little bit of fermented food in your diet, to have a healthy microbiome. But if you eat like a paleo diet, a really strict paleo, or a really strict keto diet, your microbiome suffers. 

You don’t have enough plant fibers in there, to be the fuel of the healthy bacteria. And so what we’ve learned is you can probiotics orally, but they don’t call nice. They don’t stay in your gut, if you don’t have the fuel for them in your gut, which comes from plant fibers. So there’s a higher risk of colon cancer, for example, in people who eat pure paleo for long periods of time. And so there’s sweet spot and this balance, which is why people should not consult doctor internet, but should actually consult experts, and be under the supervision of someone if they wanna do this, so they get it right for themselves, right? And so those are some of the dietary principles. Eat the rainbow, have the right ratio of fats and carbs and proteins, low carb, moderate protein, higher fats okay? And then that’s an anti-inflammatory diet as well. Those are the diet principles. And then there’s a couple of other pieces that are really important. One is to take foundation nutrients, I will describe those. 

The other is to have some targeted nutrients, that are going to address your risk factors, your cancer risk factors. And then I also like to put in a therapeutic shake, into a protocol. If someone isn’t really good at eating well every day, a shake is a great insurance policy, because it will ensure you get your protein, it will ensure you get some fats, will ensure you get some fiber, and then we can make it therapeutic, so we could put in some of our essential herbal medicines in there, for example, I like to put Chinese mushrooms into the shake because they don’t have a strong taste. They’re incredible for modulating immunity and inflammation and controlling tumor risk. But also they are good for regulating blood sugar. A lot of people don’t know that. So that’d be like Reishi mushroom Ganoderma or Turkey tail mushroom Coriolus. 

So about three grams a day is a therapeutic dose. The other thing is to understand, there’s a difference between a nutritional dose and the therapeutic dose of an herbal supplement. So you want guidance. What is actually gonna move the needle, when you’re looking for a therapeutic dose, you need to go higher, but you need to do that safely. So you need some guidance on that. So those are the three pieces. So let’s go through them in more detail. And that ends up being more than 10 suggests, okay? So that the supplements, I can think of the foundation supplements, you have unique nutritional needs when your body is stressed by a challenging syndrome like cancer, or if you’re going through treatments that are challenging like surgery or radiation or immunotherapy or chemotherapy, your body has more nutritional needs. So you wanna make sure you have that foundation. 

So part of that’s gonna come from food, the macro part of it. The micro part of it is, you need to be on a good multivitamin, but that has to be iron free and copper free. So that’s a special kind of multi, because copper and iron promote tumor cell metabolism. So there are a handful of iron free copper free multis, that are around. More recent research has shown us that, we think that the tocopherol form of vitamin E is also problematic for cancer metabolism. And we prefer tocotrienals in that vitamin E niche. And so I look for a multi that has tocotrienals in place of vitamin E tocopherol as well. so special multi. 

Nathan Crane

Before the next one, I just wanted to ask you, so the iron piece, I mean, what’s the balance there for cancer patients, because you don’t want to be lacking iron. like to the point 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

No we don’t. 

Nathan Crane

Deficient and become anemic, right, but. 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

So men typically don’t lose iron. Menstruating women lose iron. So there has to be a source of iron for menstruating women and pregnant and breastfeeding women. But the only way to really know is to measure which is why you wanna be under the care of someone who will take your blood and look at your iron stores. So when we say we wanna keep blood sugar and insulin low, or we wanna not increase iron, what we mean is, if you look at a blood test, you wanna stay in the lowest quarter of normal, right? So you have enough for normal physiology, but not so much to have a fuel for cancer cells. 

Nathan Crane

Perfect yeah. So just avoiding excess iron and excess copper. 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

Still a health model, okay? It’s still a health model.

Nathan Crane

Yes, yeah. 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

And so we have to remember that. So, but what we wanna do, is create an environment where cancer cells, that has unique metabolism, different metabolism than healthy cells have. We wanna take away what causes cancer cells to thrive. And so we do that by keeping blood sugar low, insulin low, copper low, and iron low, low, normal, okay, Low normal. 

Nathan Crane

All right so I have a question for you on the multivitamin piece. So, you know, I was taking tons of capsules, for a while as I was just like, Oh, and then now I want mushrooms and now I want this, now I want that and these herbs and these herbs, and all of a sudden, I’m taking like 30 capsules a day. And I know, you know, going down the supplement route that can happen, to a lot of people, and not recognize actually the damage that those capsules may be having, in the intestines and the digestive system, right? Because that’s so much plant cellulose, that’s getting stuck in there, that’s not breaking down properly, that the nutrients are getting absorbed properly. All that kind of stuff can happen. So I’ve gotten to a lot more like I still do a little bit of capsules, but I’ve gotten to a lot more liquid, everything now, even, you know, liquid probiotics and liquid, you know, minerals and liquid vitamins and all that stuff. When you’re talking about a multivitamin, are you talking about a capsule? Are you’re talking about a chewable, are you’re talking about getting from a direct food source? 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

So again, it’s very hard to achieve a therapeutic dose without taking a supplement. You know, you can get a nutritional dose of some things by eating a diet, but you know, our food supply isn’t as nutrient-dense, as we wish it was either. And most people aren’t like you and I, and they’re not married to taking all kinds of healthy things every day. So, you know, somebody who’s new to it, we have to, I’m a pragmatist. I just figure I ask somebody what they’ll do, and I start there, because I want them to be able to be successful at doing. So I actually prescribe a lot of capsules, and I do not think that capsules are a big problem. Americans don’t eat enough fiber to begin with. And those, the supplements I use are all plant gelatin capsules. And so there’s nothing wrong with that at all. There’s nothing wrong with it. And unless you have a inflammatory bowel disease, it shouldn’t be a problem at all. And so they just break down like any plant fiber and you know Gerard Mullin is an expert in fiber and probiotics and the microbiome. 

And I think he is at John Hopkins. And he showed a slide in a lecture, of how much fiber, a Maasai in a traditional village in Africa eats, versus what a modern person eats. We eat about 25% of the fiber, we really should get in a day. So it’s not a problem, right? It’s not a problem. And so I think it’s important though, when you choose supplements, you wanna be very particular about brands. So when I make a plan for patients, I put the brands on it because it matters, because we want brands where we’re confident in the dose, what’s on the label is actually in that capsule. We want to know that there’s no contaminants in the product. And we want to know, that the manufacturing and storage practices at the company preserve all the nutrients. And so only certain companies do that, not all companies. So part of the bonus that I’m going to give, everybody goes, well, what should I take? So I have nutritional supplement recommendations for every stage of the cancer journey that we just described. 

And so in the handout, that you are gonna give as a gift, are examples of, how I put groups of supplements together for each one of those. And you’ll have the links how to get them. And so that should answer those very specific questions that people have. What brand, which supplement, how much. So that’s coming in a downloadable gift. So the multi is important because we also want methylated forms of B vitamins. Those are the act metabolically active forms. We want the most active forms of all the minerals and vitamins. So brand matters really matters. Then I put in a good probiotic because most cancer patients don’t have a healthy microbiome, and the treatments they receive damage their microbiome. I put in vitamin D because vitamin D is so important to immunity. It does have an effect on cancer cell stickiness, and adhesion and so it decreases the ability of cells to become a tumor. And I also put in omega-3 fatty acids. 

Very important for inflammation control, but also healthy cell walls, also have an impact on cancer cell metabolism. I also put in extra magnesium, because most cancer treatments, deplete magnesium and magnesium is so important to the mitochondria and our ability to have energy. Magnesium depletion creates a lot of fatigue, in cancer patients. And what did I forget? Hold on let me look at my list. Vitamin C. So I always put some vitamin C in. But we’ve learned that the intestine can absorb 500 milligrams of vitamin C at a time. So taking super high doses of vitamin C actually doesn’t really work physiologically the way we thought it would. So if you wanna achieve daily high intake of C, you have to space it out in 500 milligram doses. So those that’s your foundation right there, okay? And so, you’ll do that. You’ll do the shake I described. In the shake, I add the Chinese mushrooms. And I also like to add for cancer patients to the shake I like to add carnitine, L-Carnitine. Because it preserves muscle mass, it decreases the risk of losing muscle mass. And it also fuels the mitochondria as well. So fatigue is the main complaint of all cancer patients from the disease itself, and from the side effects of treatments. 

So when you fuel your mitochondria, which a lot of the nutrients in the multi do also, then that fatigue is less as well. So and cancer treatments like recovering from surgery, metabolizing chemo agents, that’s energy-demanding. It demands your mitochondria to make more energy, and we know that cancer is actually a mitochondrial syndrome. And so we need to take care of the mitochondria as part of our plan. So a lot of the pieces of this do that then. So we have the foundation nutrients, we have the shake, we have our diet, and then we have the targeted herbs and supplements. So then we wanna think about, how can we influence the behavior of tumor cells? And so we think about things like this. You just wanna add a few things. Then I would include a high quality fat soluble, curcumin supplement, and at least a thousand milligrams a day, really 2000 milligrams a day is better. 

And there’s only a few brands that I recommend, and they have to be fat soluble. It can’t have a dry powder of curcumin in a capsule. And so curcumin interacts. So it’s from tumeric, from the tumer group. You can certainly cook with tumeric, but you’re not gonna get a therapeutic dose of curcumin, which is a phytochemical and tumeric, from eating and tumeric is a spice, okay? So curcumin interacts with over 50 different genes that affect tumor cells. And so do you know of a drug like that? If that was a drug, that’d be a blockbuster drug. So I like to include curcumin. I also like to include EGCG, which is a catechin, a bioflavonoid from green tea. Now, when we think about these special plant chemicals like EGCG and curcumin, we’re really talking about multitaskers. 

Plant medicine and plant chemicals in foods, bind to multiple receptors on your cells, interact with many genes. So that’s why plants are so powerful because we’re designed. We’re part of nature. We use tools from nature. Then we get this amplified approach, that doesn’t require you to take 30 different things in a day. So I also like to add resveratrol. Resveratrol is a plant chemical that is most concentrated in the skin of purple and red grapes, a little bit in cranberries, things that have that red color. And resveratrol also interacts with over 50 different genes that influence tumor cells. But all of these things have anti-inflammatory effects, the EGCG, what was your blood sugar like? All these things we wanna accomplish are amplified by just a few phytochemicals. So there’s just four things there that I listed. Curcumin, Resveratrol, EGCG, and then we talked about the Chinese medicinal mushrooms. So if you do the foundation nutrients, these few phytochemicals and medicinal mushrooms, and stay on top of your nutritional status, keep your blood sugar and your insulin low, then you will be fueling yourself with what they need, to have robust immunity, low inflammation, and health for the healthy cells, but stress for the tumor cells. 

Nathan Crane

And that sounds like the perfect blueprint for not only a cancer-free life, but a long and healthy, enjoyable life as well. 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

That’s a health plan, right? But the thing, whether you have cardiovascular disease or auto-immune disease, you have things that cause health, our common ground. And then we pick these targeted things. Those targeted things, are really important for the cancer biosystem, right?

Nathan Crane

Beautiful, yeah. Well,like you definitely shared more than 10, so thank you. I know you have resources you wanna share with everyone. So, yeah, please share that. 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

So that listeners can actually implement and get some of the details filled in. Number one, you can go to the integrativecanceranswers.com site, and there is all kinds of free information, downloadable information. And there’s about 300 recipes on that site, healthy recipes also. And then the download we have for you, is at integrativecanceranswers.com/global, where the name of your series, and there is a Outsmart Cancer Diet Shopping List there that you can take to the store with you. And then there’s also the list of the supplements that I use for each phase of the cancer journey and where I get them and how much to take. And so people could just get started and these are safe protocols that you can do on your own. And then, you know, if you really wanna have a more individualized approach, then you consult with a healthcare provider who can do that for you. 

Nathan Crane

Beautiful, well, I just wanna say thank you so much. Thank you for the great work, that you’ve been doing for many years, helping so many thousands of patients and also, you know, creating such a collaborative approach, towards working with professionals in the healthcare field, from different disciplines. I think that’s one of the biggest things we need moving forward to actually really help people is let’s take the best of all the different modalities, work together to create the best solutions, for people who are dealing with chronic diseases like cancer. You’ve been a wonderful pioneer in that and, you know, I just appreciate all the work you do and appreciate your time here, sharing all of this with our listeners. 

Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D. 

Thank you so much for having me, Nathan. It was a pleasure to see you again. 

Nathan Crane

Yeah my honor, my pleasure. And I wanna thank all of you for tuning in here to the Global Cancer Symposium. Make sure to share this with friends, family, colleagues, anybody who needs to hear this information. Also make sure to visit integrativecanceranswers.com/global, intergrativecanceranswers.com/global to get your free download from Dr. Chilkov, and I encourage you to take a look at healthandhealingclub.com. You can join our global membership dedicated to helping you get and stay healthy. Again I’m Nathan Crane. I wish you all ultimate health and happiness, take care.