The Dirty Truth About Supplements and Cancer

Introduction and Jonathan's Background 0:00

Hey, it's Nathan Crane, director of the Health and Healing Club and host of the Conquering Cancers Summit. And today, I am honored and excited to welcome you to a very special interview. Jonathan is a founder of organics, an industry leading supplement company that delivers the highest quality, cleanest organic supplements available. Jonathan started this company because of the huge demand for quality supplements at affordable prices. In addition to being the founder of organics, Jonathan is a co-founder and the executive producer of the mega-hit Truth About Cancer docu series.

He just completed his first marathon in the summer of 2019, and has lost over 90 pounds in the last few years after committing to a healthier overall lifestyle, which includes his own organics supplements. He's a health enthusiast who is passionate about fitness and committed to delivering supplements that can really make a powerful difference in the health and lives of others. Jonathan, brother, thank you so much for joining us, man. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Yeah. So I'd love to start with a little bit about your own experience with health, your own journey. Obviously.

You know, you, were significantly overweight and had some health challenges of your own. But you were also involved in the Truth About Cancer docu series from from the very beginning. Right. So how did being involved in that, help you transform your own health to the obviously healthier version of yourselves that you are today? Absolutely. Yeah. It seems like everything just came together at one time. So it was beginning of early 2014. I was 270 pounds, smoking a pack and a half of cigarets a day and had been for 20 years, and was probably drinking 6 or 7 nights out of the week.

I was living down in the, down in Central America, down in Panama, and I say living, but I think I was more living like I wanted to die. And so. Right. And I got involved in that project, found out probably within a week that my girlfriend at the time was pregnant with our oldest daughter. And so when all of those things come together, there's a sign from somewhere telling you, it's time to make a shift in your life. And so that's what I did in 2014. It took a couple months and some effort, but quit smoking, quit the drinking, changed the diet, and just just started that entire path of getting healthy and changing my life to the point to where just to a few years later, I went and took a lot of, different athletic tests.

And it showed that, like, my biological age was in my early 30s, even though I'm 42 years old right now. Ran the marathon, did the amazing damage you can do to your body over so many years, can be reversed, and you can make changes in just a short amount of time. And that's what I did. And continue to, to try to live a healthy lifestyle now. Yeah, you obviously look healthy, you know, and and you've obviously made some massive changes. I mean, 90 pounds, that's almost an entire human being that you've lost off of your body, which is significant to reducing your own cancer risk, to increasing your own longevity to, you know, helping, obviously having an impetus like, a deeper reason or meaning for our own health, our own lifestyle change, such as, you know, the upcoming birth of, of, child.

Right? I know I have to to children myself. And I know that, when my children were born, it's like they just give you more meaning, more purpose, more passion to take better care of yourself. But at the same time, we're, you know, talking to mostly people who are 50 and older, in many cases, who have cancer or other chronic challenges or trying to prevent cancer. Right. And and they're also looking for that impetus.

Health Transformation and Motivation 4:00

And I think oftentimes it's doesn't have to be something so drastic as the birth of a new child. It can just be a deeper reason for wanting to live. And so is there anything else for you that, you know, obviously, in addition to your your own child that has just helped pull you forward to do sometimes the challenging things that you have to do to make those changes so that you can lose that weight, you can get healthier, you can, you know, run a marathon, you know, quit drinking, quit smoking, all these kinds of things.

I'm I don't think there's just any one thing. Right. I think there's got to be that desire to live. And I think there's multiple things around that. Right? So being involved with the truth about cancer, and I know your audience, I mean, we talk about 50 and above. Is it that grandchild that's coming. Right. That that you need to find that reason to live. Is it to be around longer for your kids? Is it just so you don't huff and puff getting up off of the couch? Right? Is it so that you can go walk so that you can move your body for, I mean, I think there's a lot of things and it's never just one thing, right?

It's not like every morning I woke up thinking, daughter, come and got to go train, right? Like there's many days that the training didn't happen. There's many days that the eating healthy did not happen. And a lot of times, and especially when I run now, I mean, I ask myself, why am I doing this? And the number one answer every time is for me, right? And then the number two answer is to set a good example for my daughters. And I do that every day when I go out for a run or every time I go running.

So I think first and foremost, it's got to be for you. And and if that can't be reason enough, then find that other reason, whether that's a child, whether that's a pet, whether that's a spouse, whether that's just to see what the world looks like in 20 years. Right? Yeah. That's that's a great point. I mean, if you, if you have the desire within yourself to feel better, live longer, have a better quality of life, that alone is strong enough to pull you through the hard times and the terror of the dark times.

Right? I know in my own life there are similar, you know, addiction and chronic illness and all kinds of challenges and grew up on vaccines and antibiotics and the sick all the time. And it it took really, you know, wanting to know what it's like to live healthy and strong and vital, for me to change my life. Right. And so I think that's a really good key that you just shared is fine. That passion, that desire within yourself that can pull you forward to the better version, the healthier version of yourself.

And that could just be, you know, less pain, more energy, more clarity, you know, whatever it could be. So you feel better. We all want to feel good, right? We all want to be happy. We all want to be healthy. We all want to feel good. And so, you know, that's led you obviously into starting this, supplement company, organics, which you've had mega success with right now. Obviously, as someone who owns a supplement company, you get to see firsthand into what really happens behind the scenes with supplements.

So maybe you can share with us, you know, over your years, like, what are some of the most shocking things you've discovered with many of the supplements today that maybe most people just don't know about? Absolutely. So, and before I do that, I just want to clarify. Like, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a scientist, and I'm not an academic. I would say I'm a researcher now, but that's just out of the demand. All my life I just, I was an entrepreneur when I was 17. Door to door salesman at 14. I just been good at solving problems, I guess, and finding people who were good at helping me solve problems.

And so with the journey with the truth about cancer, we had a lot of people that were looking for good quality supplements. And as we went down that rabbit hole. Right. I didn't know that this is where I would be. This is just where life is taken me. We started going down that rabbit hole and realizing there weren't a whole lot of good quality supplements out there. There's more now than they were back in 2016 when we started the company. But yeah, there just there wasn't a whole lot to recommend.

And so that's why we started kind of the supplement company. And what I discovered along the way. This isn't, by the way, a pitch to come by my products. This is just to help you find the right products for yourself and know that you're getting supplements that are actually going to make a difference in your life because the reality is 98, if not 99% of this stuff out there on the store shelves on the internet is just junk. Most of the money is spent on marketing overhype, you know, citing all of these different, research papers and all of these different, you know, studies that were done, but they're not applicable to that supplement that using those studies.

So you ask, like, what are some of the biggest things that that were surprising for me? I think the biggest thing to to really understand and a lot of your audience may already know this is there's a big difference between a whole food supplement and a synthetic supplement. Most of your one two days out there, your Centrum Silver is your, you know, all the other one two days that are being sold on the store shelves out there are synthetic. And so the vitamins, the minerals, they're actually being extracted from things like oil and tar and oil byproducts.

Right. So they have all of this byproduct from drilling oil, and they need to do something with it so they can extract, extract these different vitamins and minerals out of it. And then they put it together into a vitamin that they sell to us, so they can use more of the waste to sell back to us. Right. So you talk about, carcinogens and things out there that that can cause cancer, and that's one of them. Right? You're looking to get healthy. And so you're starting to take these supplements only to find out that it's a garbage supplement.

It's synthetic. Your body doesn't even recognize it, right. Yes. Maybe molecularly it might look the same. Right. So ascorbic acid will take as an example vitamin C. Number one you can make ascorbic acid in the lab. Right. That makes it a synthetic. Molecularly it might look the same as your score MC acid from an orange. Right. You could say hey, look, these are the same a couple things that are not the same here. Number one, most of that ascorbic acid is being made in labs in China. I think last I looked it was 95% of all of the lab made ascorbic acid, which is a vitamin C you're buying is made in China.

So we know that the regulations there, we know that the quality there is of question two, it's not a whole food supplement. So you get more from a whole food vitamin C from absolutely cherries or camu camu than you will from a lab made ascorbic acid. Why? Well, there's all kinds of things, whether that's the different enzymes, different ingredients inside of that plant that make that ascorbic acid the vitamin C, bioavailable. It makes it so your body can actually recognize it as a food and knows how to use that ascorbic acid in the healthiest ways.

So the big misconception is that synthetic is the same as whole food. No, it's just cheaper garbage and made in the lab. Whole foods supplementation is by far what you need to look for that it's made from Whole Foods. I can go down the rabbit hole of the difference of Whole Foods supplements if you like, right now, or we can kind of stop there and figure out the next question. Yeah, maybe we can go there next. I just was reminded, I was at an event a while back, and it was kind of

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like an event with, you know, leaders in the natural health field. And there was a woman there. I won't mention her name. I don't want to cause any problems for. But, very, very, very well known. If I mention your name, you would know who she is. Millions and millions of followers, has been in, you know, kind of the natural health space for a long time, many years. And she has her own supplement company, right. And she had her supplements there. She just had, you know, her bars and powders and supplements and all kinds of things that she was just giving away to everybody at this kind of private event.

And I was there and I was like, oh, yeah, let's check out her. You know, she's probably got some great products, right? And so I went and looked and I started looking because first thing I do is always read the ingredients of anything before I ever consider putting in my own or my family's bodies, which I think is a first step for everyone. Right? Always read every ingredient. I don't I don't look at the front of the label. I mean, I do, I look for certain keywords, but I don't depend on the front of the labor.

Always read the back of the label. Right? So I'm reading the ingredients. I'm like, I'm like, are you serious? You know, it's like filled with sugar or all kinds of processed junk. It had preservatives. It had all kinds of crap in it that like, I would never put in my body. So I put that down. I grab the next product, I'm okay. Hopefully this one's better. Look at this one. Same thing. Look at this one. Same thing. And I'm just like, here's this well respected health person. Millions of people trust her buying her health products.

And to me they're garbage. They're junk. I would never put them in my body. Right. And that's kind of, something I think that that really goes to what you said. It's like there's so much garbage and junk out there. And just because there's a so called health respected, respected health professional promoting it does not mean that it is good for you. Listen, there's a lot of doctors for hire. I can go out there and pay a doctor and have them represent and say whatever I want them to say about my supplement.

Unfortunately, and that that happens in this space a lot. And it's unfortunate because as a consumer, you don't know who to trust and who not to trust. And this is where I actually understood. I mean, the core values of the company can matter. Take a little time and doing some research and figuring out what are some of the things that they stand for. What's some of their history not just looking at the shiny thing that they're marketing or that they're trying to sell you? And that's that. That's just one of the challenges.

Another thing that you can look at, too, is, you know, I wanted to share kind of the difference between different whole food quality supplements. One way, in my opinion, that you can tell, I want to say the quality of the company, but their integrity and using quality ingredients is if they use organic or not. I think that's a big deal. I think having food that is not been sprayed with pesticides and herbicides and insecticides is important, right? I mean, we know these things are carcinogens. We know that they cause cancer.

And so if a company is willing to go out of the way to not use that cheaper alternative, I feel a little bit better about that company. And I think that they're, they're really trying to create a quality product. And so that is true when it comes to supplements, right? It is. I telling you right now, it is way more expensive for me, me to make a supplement with an organic turmeric or with organic mushrooms or with organic fill in the blank. It's probably 4 to 5 times the price. But the difference is, is if I'm taking a supplement that's already a high concentration of a certain nutrient or plant botanical, whatever it is, right then I want to make sure that I'm not getting high concentrations of pesticides, herbicides, insecticides.

Right. We all know about glyphosate and roundup, right? You don't want that on your supplements. So you have a whole food supplement that's better than synthetic whole foods organic. It's going to be even better than just a whole food supplement. And so that's something to really take into consideration. And it kind of comes back full circle in knowing the company, knowing who the creators are today. Is it worth it for them to go the extra mile to deliver an organic product? Because I think the quality definitely makes a difference.

There's people that can argue the nutrient density between organic and non-organic. There is no argument that pesticides, insecticides and herbicides are good for you, right? Versus having them outside of the diet, right? It's not good for you. So argue all you want all day long about the nutrient density between organic and organic. But you can never argue with me that one has a poison and one does not. And which one is healthier? Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, I said, as I said, you know, when we're shopping, we always look at the first the front of the label first and always read the ingredients.

I mean, the things we're looking for on the front of the label is organic. And I know that, you know, a lot of people say, well, I can't afford organic or does it really matter? Because organic still allows some kind of, you know, synthetic types of, of, insecticides and different things on it. And the reality is, one, even though you might pay a little bit more of that for organic for the long term, of your health, the safety of your life and your health, you have to ask yourself, is it worth it is my life, my health, you know, my quality of life worth it?

And anybody who's sick or has been sick, the answer is always yes. Right? It's the thing is, hopefully we don't have to wait until we get sick to to answer that. But is it worth it? And it's really not. At the end of the day for the consumer, it's not that much more expensive, right? Maybe $20 or $30 more for a particular supplement. But what you're getting out of that is significantly, more beneficial to your body, right? Absolutely. And I think there's several ways that you can look at it. Right.

Number one, yes, organic is more expensive to me. That's why we try to buy organic as much as possible when you can afford it, because that demand will drive the price down. Which is what we all need and what we know is going to be healthier now. It's the same thing, right? You may not be able to always eat organic. So does that mean never eat organic? Of course not. Right. You may not go to the gym seven days a week. Does that mean not going to the gym once or twice a week? Then, like, what if I can't go seven days a week or all the time that I'm never going to go?

That's of course not the attitude to have. It's the same thing with organic. You may not always be able to afford the organic products, but when you can, you should and you should get them, even if that's just one meal a week, right? Or one meal a day. It also is the same when it comes to supplementation. For instance, I think you're better off taking an expensive organic multivitamin every other day, then taking a synthetic or a whole food one every single day. So if you're synthetic, your whole food is a $30 four month supply.

Then the organic version is $60 for a month's supply. I think you're better at taking a half dose a day of the organic, or every other day than you're taking of the synthetic or the regular whole food with pesticides every single day. Right? You're going to get more out of the organic one on a, every other day basis than you will on the other ones on a daily. Now, they're the same price right now, this one month's supply of organic multivitamin will last you two months, the same as your Centrum Silver or your other whole food multivitamin.

And I think when you start recognizing that difference, then it puts things into perspective. Yes, there's some fortunate people out there that can afford to take it daily. If you're not one of them, maybe you take it once every three days, but heck, like start taking something and make sure it's worth taking because if you buy synthetic, you might as well put it in the toilet and just flush, right? You're absolutely getting nothing but if you're also especially if they're watching this summit, you're looking at preventing cancer or treating cancer, you don't want to put things in your body that are more carcinogenic, like a whole food supplement that you don't know is clean.

I think you're better off not eating it, quite frankly, or not taking it if it's not organic or just buying an organic banana for $0.20 more, right? I agree, I agree 100%. Absolutely. So that's what I think too. I just want to touch on when you say that supplements are just that, they're there to supplement the diet, right? So it doesn't mean I get to eat McDonald's every day and I just take a good organic multivitamin and I'm great, right? No, it's about having good life choices. Unfortunately, our soil now is so depleted of nutrients and minerals that from all the over farming that even organically grown, grown fruits and vegetables don't have the nutrient density that they did 30 years, 40 years, 50 years ago.

So supplementation becomes necessary. It's not there to allow you to just eat whatever you want and eat junk. It's there to supplement your diet for what you're not able to get through the Whole foods that you're eating. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because it's, you know, you've got to have your foundation, your food, your diet should be your foundation. And when you cook at home, like we do 80 and 90% of the time, and we do shop, you know, 90 to 99% organic, it's way cheaper to cook at home and make organic meals with fresh plant based foods, right?

Your vegetables, your fruits, you know, your quinoa all these things that they're actually a lot cheaper when you're cooking them at home and they go a lot longer. And that should be the foundation. But then the supplementation, that's why we supplement right, is to add that additional, nutritional profile that we may not be getting from our food into our bodies just to help us, you know, benefit greater from it. So what are some of the other things that, people need to be aware of when, when, you know, considering supplements?

I think one of the other things to look at is the way research data is manipulated in order to make claims. Think of an example here. So ashwagandha, right. Ashwagandha. It's a great herb. It's great for stress, great for recovery, things like that. It's an adaptogen. And there's a lot of studies out there. On how good ashwagandha is. The challenge uses for these studies. They're usually using a high quality, probably even organic ashwagandha. And so there's these studies that show how good ashwagandha is for you.

But then you have this company over here that sources it from China and

Whole Food vs Synthetic and Organic Quality 22:00

is getting it for a couple dollars a kilo, and it is garbage. It's grown, in soil that has no nutrients anyway, right? It's mass produced. And then they're using these research studies that that make all these claims for, for Gonda, but then they sell. You're not sure? Gonda that doesn't have near the nutrient makeup that was used in the study. So the thing to understand here is, yes, ashwagandha is amazing, but what's the quality of the ashwagandha in that supplement that you're using? An example is, there's a patented ashwagandha organic called KSM 66.

There's all sorts of studies behind that using that ashwagandha that way, you know, if you're buying that kind of ashwagandha, you're getting the results. You're getting the same quality that was used in that study. This is why I think it goes back to the organic conversation, things like that. Just buying organic. It's likely going to be a much higher quality ingredient to begin with. You're not always going to know. Not everybody's always going to use a patented ingredient or different things like that.

But just understand that I think in life, in most things and supplements are no different. You get what you pay for. So if there's a bottle of sugared and it's on Amazon and it's selling for 1799, that sounds phenomenal. There's another bottle of ashwagandha that's 3999. You're likely getting three times the quality ashwagandha out of that $39 supplement. This isn't me sitting there trying to sell you to buy more expensive supplements. I just want you to understand that it's not apples to apples.

You can't just scroll Amazon and look for the best price and think that you're getting the same ingredient. Because it may not be organic, it may not be as dense. It could be straight out of China for dirt cheap. My point is, you got to do a little bit of research. You got to figure out the company that you're buying from. It's worth it to shoot their customer, support an email and say, hey, where does this ingredient come from? Where do you get your ashwagandha from? Where are these things coming from?

If they don't want to answer you, don't buy from them, right? Because somebody that's proud of what they create is not going to have any issue sharing. Hey, this is where we get it from. Here's what it is like. Let me tell you more information about it. Here's, you know, the purchase orders and the quality test. It's another thing too. And again, this isn't a pitch for us, but we want all of our stuff. Third party testing for heavy metals, pesticides, insecticides, all kinds of third party tests for cleanliness.

Ask these companies, are you third party testing your product? Right. Can you show me the results of that? I want to see how much heavy metals in it. How many pesticides or any. Do you test for glyphosate? Right. We spend money and we test specifically for glyphosate because. Listen, I'm just trusting the person I'm buying the ingredient from, right? That it's what they say it is and what they put on the label. But I'm ingesting all of these things, too, so I want to have these tested before I put them in my body.

Why wouldn't another supplement creator do the same thing and then share those results with their audience? So it's not as easy. I know we all love the quick fix. Let me just hurry and buy in and click it, and it'll be here tomorrow with Amazon Prime and all that fun of getting it overnight. Consider that it's worth it to take a little bit of time and do a little bit more research. Otherwise, you're just going to throw your money away. You're not going to get the results you're looking for. Yeah, I love that you just shared that.

I think it's super important. I think it's worth saying as well that, and this isn't any kind of, you know, dosage advice or anything like that, but, you know, when you are sick, typically, you know, an herbalist might prescribe you more therapeutic doses or an integrative doctor or a naturopathic doctor will say, look, here's here's maintenance dosages, which is about what most people are getting today in supplements, right? And here's therapeutic doses. This is what your body actually needs to have a fighting chance for itself to heal.

And when you're looking at supplements, I know, like, I have this green food supplement right now. And then I bought another green food supplements. So I'm trying them. I'm trying new things all the time, different, and looking at all the different factors that you're talking about. Right? The, the is it organic or is it sourced? You know, the quality of the ingredients, all these different things. And one, these two different packages. I just want to share the story because I think it's really important.

One package, they both have the exact same quantity, right? They both have whatever it was, 600g or whatever the amount is. It might 600. Might be a lot. I don't know, you know, whatever the amount is. But then you look at the servings, this one had 12 servings and this one had 30 servings. Right. And so and then you look at the serving size and you look at the quantity of the ingredients in that serving. And you recognize why this one is significantly more expensive. And this one is way cheaper, is the one that was a lot more expensive and has a much less servings. Well, they're making sure your body is actually getting a higher therapeutic dose.

They're making sure they're saying, look, if you just take this tiny dose over here, you may get some benefit, but realistically, you're not getting a lot of benefit, but you think you're getting all this benefit because, you know, oh, I got this for $25. It's super cheap. I got 30 servings. Oh, this one's way more expensive. There's only ten servings. 12 servings, but you're getting 30g per serving instead of five grams over here. So the end result of what you're getting is significantly more nutrition in your body.

And actually, when I did the price comparison for how many grams of the of the ingredients you're getting in your body compared to this one, this one's actually cheaper, but you don't see that on the front end, because all you see on the front end is the price, right? Whole food green supplement, $20, you know, whole food greens, over $75. What the heck? Okay, I'm going to buy the $20 one. So anyway, I think it's worth saying, you know, looking at how much of the quantity of the ingredients you're actually getting into your body as well as is pretty important.

Yeah. There's so many different things that go into it, and you're 100% right. And what's interesting is I wanted to talk kind of about the price, because you spoke about price and just looking through there some of the dirty secrets I've learned being in this space, right, is, is we make a product called trauma 3D. And I was pricing I was looking for manufacturers, and I was shopping around who who could make it, who could help us save a little bit of money on this. And most manufacturers came back and said, if you don't use organic, if you don't ferment, which I'll talk about fermentation in a second.

If you don't ferment it, if you don't add these other things like the ginger and the KSM 66 ashwagandha, I can make that for you for $2.50 a bottle. And that means I could sell it on Amazon for 3995 all day long and make 10 to 12 times my return on that investment. I unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of those kinds of numbers because I'm just not going to sell crap. But our turmeric 3D cost us over $10 a bottle to make and bottle up, and I sell it for 49.95. Yes, it's about, 4 to 5 times markup.

The difference being is I can't sell. If I were to sell it at ten times markup, it'd be a 100 plus dollar supplement. But you are getting something that is literally three or 4 or 5 times better than that cheaper one. So it might be a little bit cheaper because nobody's ever going to buy it

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at 100 plus. I also don't need ten times markup to survive as a business, right? I only need enough so we can stay in business next month and and stay in business next year. I don't need to make so much that we're all driving lambos and and destroying the planet even more. But I sell that to say, like, you see a little, you pay a little bit more. You're probably getting a lot more in the long run. And I think it's like that a lot of times in life with everything. This isn't just supplements. This is this is in general, you save a little bit of money, be smart, buy the one that's a little bit nicer.

It's going to last longer. It's going to be healthier for you. You're just going to get what you pay for it. And right now, with so many things made out of China and other places, we all want to look for that cheap price. We're all on a budget, I get it. I'm just telling you it's going to pay off tremendously with your health if you don't skimp on that kind of stuff. Beautiful. So if you were to sum it up in 3 or 5 key points people should really be watching out for when they're buying supplements.

What what was those key points be never take, synthetic supplements ever. I don't think they're ever going to do any benefit for you. Save your money, spend it on something else. So definitely take a whole food supplement. And if you can have it be whole food organic. I think that that whole food organic ingredient, just a little side note, take the capsules. In order for somebody to be USDA certified organic, it has to be more than 95% organic. The capsules themselves, while their vegetable caps are not certified organic, and they make up 7% of the product.

So ours is 93% organic on most of our products. But they can't carry the USDA seal because the capsule itself makes up 7%. So it's not just let me look and see, is it a USDA certified or not? Or does it say made with organic? Turn around and read the label and check every single ingredient? Does it say organic turmeric? Does it say organic mushrooms? Organic ashwagandha. Make sure it lists organic for every single one of those ingredients. Some ingredients out there. You can't get organic. It's just not. They just don't certify them yet.

But you should check and make sure that as much of the ingredients in that product are organic. So that's the number one thing to look for. The second thing is, don't believe the hype, right, that a lot of these companies making these ten and 12 X returns have a ridiculous amount of money to spend on marketing. If it seems too good to be true. It probably is. Do a little bit of research, find out where are they sourcing their ingredients, find out who it is that's behind that company. Do they have integrity? Do they not?

What's their history? What's their story? There are really good supplement companies out there. I know a lot of the owners of most of them. There's good ones out there and do the research and go find them. The third thing, the third thing, supplements are just supplements, right? They're not going to they don't fill the void of, a non clean diet, a non clean lifestyle. Right. So get out and move your body right. Get outside of your house and breathe fresh air. Number one best thing you can do for your health all day long and twice on Sunday.

Move your body getting big deep fresh breath. The second thing is, what are you feeding your body? Are you giving it good at whole foods, less processed foods, organic whenever possible? If you eat meat, then are you getting meat that is not factory farmed, that it's pasture raised, it's grass fed, it's free range, things like that. So supplements are good and supplements can really help your health. And like you talked about, between a maintenance dose and a therapeutic dose, there's some people out there that would do really good at taking a whole lot of enzymes, right.

And especially loading up that body and really getting that storage built back up again. But it's going to be short lived if you're not doing the other stuff, if you're not moving your body, if you're not eating right, if you're not good in a mental mentally well meaning you're not, in front of your screen all day, you're not watching TV all day, you're actually reading a book. You're stimulating yourself in one way or another. You're still learning. So like, this is a whole holistic approach. You're not going to go out and spend $60 on any bottle that I sell, start taking two a day, and in a month all the sudden be magically better in all ways, shapes and forms.

You've got to make this a whole integrative approach across every area of your life. Beautiful. Yeah, it was a really good summation, and I'm glad you keep coming back to that foundation, because that's critical. You know, I can say that, yours is one of the companies that I feel is doing, all of these things that you talked about. Right. Which is why I use your supplements myself, because I look for all these things myself, and I get contacted by supplement companies and, you know, skincare companies and all kinds of companies all day long wanting me to use their products and try them and sell them and all that.

And most of them, I can tell you, I turned down and say no to, if I don't use it myself, I will not share it with anybody else. And yours is one of the products that that I do use myself. So, you know, thank you for really staying committed to quality, to effectiveness, to organic, to making sure that good quality

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ingredients are getting out to the world, even if it means, you know, reducing profit margin. But still, as you said, being able to stay in business so you can keep helping people, you know, thank you for doing that, for being committed to that. We need more people like yourself out there doing it. So, you know, thanks so much, Jonathan. Appreciate your time and appreciate you for all the the good work that you do. And thanks for being here to share with our audience. Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

Thank you for what you do. I mean, when I first started kind of my journey to health, it was all about, the anti-cancer movement, right? And reading this from our world and being healthy and healing and all of that. And so you've been doing this way before I even got in, to this space. And so, I want to thank you for your continued commitment year after year after year and doing these summits, these summits, like what you're doing is the best way to get the most up to date information, right? I know I was executive producer of documentaries and and those are all great, but they become outdated a year or two later.

And so with you doing summits where you're bringing back all the experts every year, it's the only way to get the most up to date information. And I love it. I love that you're doing it. I love your message. I love, yeah, man. I just love the emotion about it. I love what you stand for. And so I'm really happy that you asked me to be to be in this series. So I appreciate that. Absolutely, brother. My honor, I really appreciate that. Again, thank you so much. And I want to thank everyone for tuning in to the Conquering Cancer Summit.

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